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There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Woodward
()
Date: December 13, 2012 11:01AM
"There's a civil war in the Democratic party," said Bob Woodward. "You had Nancy Pelosi on, saying, oh, we're not going to change the eligibility age for Medicare. And down at the White House they very much want to do that."
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Yawn
()
Date: December 13, 2012 11:07AM
Woodward Wrote:
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> "There's a civil war in the Democratic party,"
> said Bob Woodward. "You had Nancy Pelosi on,
> saying, oh, we're not going to change the
> eligibility age for Medicare. And down at the
> White House they very much want to do that.
Laughable considering what is happening the GOP right now. The GOP needs to get back to it's roots on how gays will destroy the world, Christianity is the only religion and science is the devils work.
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> "There's a civil war in the Democratic party,"
> said Bob Woodward. "You had Nancy Pelosi on,
> saying, oh, we're not going to change the
> eligibility age for Medicare. And down at the
> White House they very much want to do that.
Laughable considering what is happening the GOP right now. The GOP needs to get back to it's roots on how gays will destroy the world, Christianity is the only religion and science is the devils work.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
talkers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 11:10AM
Yawn Wrote:
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> The GOP needs to get back to it's
> roots on how gays will destroy the world,
> Christianity is the only religion and science is
> the devils work.
Wow, you rattled off those HuffPo talking points really well! Now, if you only understood what they meant.
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> The GOP needs to get back to it's
> roots on how gays will destroy the world,
> Christianity is the only religion and science is
> the devils work.
Wow, you rattled off those HuffPo talking points really well! Now, if you only understood what they meant.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Bill.N.
()
Date: December 13, 2012 11:37AM
This should really come as no surprise. Will Rogers once joked that he was a member of no organized political party-he was a Democrat. If anything that statement is more true today. The Democrats aren't so much a political party as a coalition of different generally liberal leaning groups with different agendas. The presence and influence of these different groups varies from one place to another. Webb, Warner and Kaine did not get elected by the same type of voter that elected Pelosi to office.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Yawn
()
Date: December 13, 2012 11:43AM
talkers TPs Wrote:
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> Yawn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The GOP needs to get back to it's
> > roots on how gays will destroy the world,
> > Christianity is the only religion and science
> is
> > the devils work.
>
>
> Wow, you rattled off those HuffPo talking points
> really well! Now, if you only understood what
> they meant.
Ok, so correct me...
1) Republicans are for gay marriage?
2) Republicans want other religions to be recognized as US religions, like Islam?
3) Republicans want more types of new technology used like solar energy?
Enlighten me on my errors?
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> Yawn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The GOP needs to get back to it's
> > roots on how gays will destroy the world,
> > Christianity is the only religion and science
> is
> > the devils work.
>
>
> Wow, you rattled off those HuffPo talking points
> really well! Now, if you only understood what
> they meant.
Ok, so correct me...
1) Republicans are for gay marriage?
2) Republicans want other religions to be recognized as US religions, like Islam?
3) Republicans want more types of new technology used like solar energy?
Enlighten me on my errors?
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Loser Troll Says What
()
Date: December 13, 2012 12:03PM
Yawn Wrote:
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> talkers TPs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yawn Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The GOP needs to get back to it's
> > > roots on how gays will destroy the world,
> > > Christianity is the only religion and science
> > is
> > > the devils work.
> >
> >
> > Wow, you rattled off those HuffPo talking
> points
> > really well! Now, if you only understood what
> > they meant.
>
> Ok, so correct me...
>
> 1) Republicans are for gay marriage?
>
> 2) Republicans want other religions to be
> recognized as US religions, like Islam?
>
> 3) Republicans want more types of new technology
> used like solar energy?
>
> Enlighten me on my errors?
Don't feed the trolls.
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> talkers TPs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yawn Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The GOP needs to get back to it's
> > > roots on how gays will destroy the world,
> > > Christianity is the only religion and science
> > is
> > > the devils work.
> >
> >
> > Wow, you rattled off those HuffPo talking
> points
> > really well! Now, if you only understood what
> > they meant.
>
> Ok, so correct me...
>
> 1) Republicans are for gay marriage?
>
> 2) Republicans want other religions to be
> recognized as US religions, like Islam?
>
> 3) Republicans want more types of new technology
> used like solar energy?
>
> Enlighten me on my errors?
Don't feed the trolls.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
talkers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:01PM
Yawn Wrote:
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> Ok, so correct me...
>
> 1) Republicans are for gay marriage?
Dick Cheney, Tom Kean, Bill Weld, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, and Chris Shays just to name a few.
Let's rattle off a few Democrats that oppose gay marriage. Mike Beebe, Jay Nixon, Bev Perdue, Joe Manchin, Ben Nelson, Sanford Bishop, and the list goes on. In fact, Hillary Clinton's last stated position was opposition to gay marriage. I bet if asked now, she'd flip flop like Barack Obama.
> 2) Republicans want other religions to be
> recognized as US religions, like Islam?
Yeah. That bill is up on the House floor every week. Right?
> 3) Republicans want more types of new technology
> used like solar energy?
Absolutely. Numerous Republican initiatives have supported renewable energy such as R&D tax credits, competetive grants, etc.
What they don't like is the government picking winners and losers with taxpayer dollars and then losing that money. It really isn't that hard to understand if you haven't been brainwashed.
> Enlighten me on my errors?
I just did, but something tells me you will just ignore it and continue on in your own ignorance.
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> Ok, so correct me...
>
> 1) Republicans are for gay marriage?
Dick Cheney, Tom Kean, Bill Weld, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, and Chris Shays just to name a few.
Let's rattle off a few Democrats that oppose gay marriage. Mike Beebe, Jay Nixon, Bev Perdue, Joe Manchin, Ben Nelson, Sanford Bishop, and the list goes on. In fact, Hillary Clinton's last stated position was opposition to gay marriage. I bet if asked now, she'd flip flop like Barack Obama.
> 2) Republicans want other religions to be
> recognized as US religions, like Islam?
Yeah. That bill is up on the House floor every week. Right?
> 3) Republicans want more types of new technology
> used like solar energy?
Absolutely. Numerous Republican initiatives have supported renewable energy such as R&D tax credits, competetive grants, etc.
What they don't like is the government picking winners and losers with taxpayer dollars and then losing that money. It really isn't that hard to understand if you haven't been brainwashed.
> Enlighten me on my errors?
I just did, but something tells me you will just ignore it and continue on in your own ignorance.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
talkers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:01PM
Loser Troll Says What Wrote:
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> Yawn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > talkers TPs Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Yawn Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > The GOP needs to get back to it's
> > > > roots on how gays will destroy the world,
> > > > Christianity is the only religion and
> science
> > > is
> > > > the devils work.
> > >
> > >
> > > Wow, you rattled off those HuffPo talking
> > points
> > > really well! Now, if you only understood
> what
> > > they meant.
> >
> > Ok, so correct me...
> >
> > 1) Republicans are for gay marriage?
> >
> > 2) Republicans want other religions to be
> > recognized as US religions, like Islam?
> >
> > 3) Republicans want more types of new
> technology
> > used like solar energy?
> >
> > Enlighten me on my errors?
>
> Don't feed the trolls.
If he didn't, you'd starve. Loser.
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> Yawn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > talkers TPs Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Yawn Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > The GOP needs to get back to it's
> > > > roots on how gays will destroy the world,
> > > > Christianity is the only religion and
> science
> > > is
> > > > the devils work.
> > >
> > >
> > > Wow, you rattled off those HuffPo talking
> > points
> > > really well! Now, if you only understood
> what
> > > they meant.
> >
> > Ok, so correct me...
> >
> > 1) Republicans are for gay marriage?
> >
> > 2) Republicans want other religions to be
> > recognized as US religions, like Islam?
> >
> > 3) Republicans want more types of new
> technology
> > used like solar energy?
> >
> > Enlighten me on my errors?
>
> Don't feed the trolls.
If he didn't, you'd starve. Loser.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
SoylentGreen
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:16PM
talkers TPs ,
Go back and read this thread.
You are going to be pissed at how quickly the topic was dismissed and all arguments were turned toward a completely different subject.
You took the bait.
Go back and read this thread.
You are going to be pissed at how quickly the topic was dismissed and all arguments were turned toward a completely different subject.
You took the bait.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:19PM
Yawn Wrote:
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> Ok, so correct me...
>
> 1) Republicans are for gay marriage?
Oh, you are completely correct.
From the 2012 GOP Platform (http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_home/)
The Republican Party is against Marriage Equality:
"... we believe that marriage, the union of one man and one woman must be upheld as the national standard, a goal to stand for, encourage, and promote through laws governing marriage."
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> Ok, so correct me...
>
> 1) Republicans are for gay marriage?
Oh, you are completely correct.
From the 2012 GOP Platform (http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_home/)
The Republican Party is against Marriage Equality:
"... we believe that marriage, the union of one man and one woman must be upheld as the national standard, a goal to stand for, encourage, and promote through laws governing marriage."
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Talkers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:20PM
SoylentGreen Wrote:
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> talkers TPs ,
>
> Go back and read this thread.
>
> You are going to be pissed at how quickly the
> topic was dismissed and all arguments were turned
> toward a completely different subject.
>
> You took the bait.
Oh, I'm not pissed. Their whining and crying is affirmation that the original assertion is true. They are a party with a lame duck impotent leader. Harry Reid confirmed as much when he shot down Obama's fiscal cliff plan.
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> talkers TPs ,
>
> Go back and read this thread.
>
> You are going to be pissed at how quickly the
> topic was dismissed and all arguments were turned
> toward a completely different subject.
>
> You took the bait.
Oh, I'm not pissed. Their whining and crying is affirmation that the original assertion is true. They are a party with a lame duck impotent leader. Harry Reid confirmed as much when he shot down Obama's fiscal cliff plan.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Talkers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:24PM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> > 1) Republicans are for gay marriage?
>
> Oh, you are completely correct.
>
> From the 2012 GOP Platform
> (http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_home/
> )
>
> The Republican Party is against Marriage
> Equality:
>
> "... we believe that marriage, the union of one
> man and one woman must be upheld as the national
> standard, a goal to stand for, encourage, and
> promote through laws governing marriage."
And all Republicans support that? Just like all Democrats support abortion and gay marriage?
Keep trolling. The civil war in your party is bubbling up.
Want to address the other two?
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> > 1) Republicans are for gay marriage?
>
> Oh, you are completely correct.
>
> From the 2012 GOP Platform
> (http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_home/
> )
>
> The Republican Party is against Marriage
> Equality:
>
> "... we believe that marriage, the union of one
> man and one woman must be upheld as the national
> standard, a goal to stand for, encourage, and
> promote through laws governing marriage."
And all Republicans support that? Just like all Democrats support abortion and gay marriage?
Keep trolling. The civil war in your party is bubbling up.
Want to address the other two?
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:33PM
Talkers TPs Wrote:
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> And all Republicans support that?
It's a plank in the party platform. The Republican Party is against Marriage Equality. If an individual Republican states a pro-Marriage Equality position, s/he is breaking with the Party.
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> And all Republicans support that?
It's a plank in the party platform. The Republican Party is against Marriage Equality. If an individual Republican states a pro-Marriage Equality position, s/he is breaking with the Party.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Talkers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:36PM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> Talkers TPs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And all Republicans support that?
>
> It's a plank in the party platform. The
> Republican Party is against Marriage Equality. If
> an individual Republican states a pro-Marriage
> Equality position, s/he is breaking with the
> Party.
And? That means you have a bunch of Democrats breaking with the Party, hence the aforementioned civil war.
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> Talkers TPs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And all Republicans support that?
>
> It's a plank in the party platform. The
> Republican Party is against Marriage Equality. If
> an individual Republican states a pro-Marriage
> Equality position, s/he is breaking with the
> Party.
And? That means you have a bunch of Democrats breaking with the Party, hence the aforementioned civil war.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:37PM
Yawn Wrote:
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> Ok, so correct me...
>
> 2) Republicans want other religions to be
> recognized as US religions, like Islam?
Oh, you are completely correct.
Republicans believe Muslims are evil.
http://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-focus/the-right-wing-playbook-anti-muslim-extremism
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> Ok, so correct me...
>
> 2) Republicans want other religions to be
> recognized as US religions, like Islam?
Oh, you are completely correct.
Republicans believe Muslims are evil.
http://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-focus/the-right-wing-playbook-anti-muslim-extremism
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Talkers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:41PM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> Yawn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ok, so correct me...
> >
> > 2) Republicans want other religions to be
> > recognized as US religions, like Islam?
>
> Oh, you are completely correct.
>
> Republicans believe Muslims are evil.
>
> http://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-focus/the-right-wing-pl
> aybook-anti-muslim-extremism
And that equates to recognizing a religion as a US religion.
Look up this term: non sequitur
Oh, and find me a less biased source that People for the American Way.
You are full of fail today. I can see the civil war within your party is really rattling you!
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> Yawn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ok, so correct me...
> >
> > 2) Republicans want other religions to be
> > recognized as US religions, like Islam?
>
> Oh, you are completely correct.
>
> Republicans believe Muslims are evil.
>
> http://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-focus/the-right-wing-pl
> aybook-anti-muslim-extremism
And that equates to recognizing a religion as a US religion.
Look up this term: non sequitur
Oh, and find me a less biased source that People for the American Way.
You are full of fail today. I can see the civil war within your party is really rattling you!
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:42PM
Talkers TPs Wrote:
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> And? That means you have a bunch of Democrats
> breaking with the Party, hence the aforementioned
> civil war.
No. Your original post refers to differences of opinion over MediCare (which is hardly a 'civil war', btw).
The Democratic Party has a big enough tent to accommodate a variety of points-of-view. Not so the RNC, in which you either toe the line or you're excommunicated (primaried from the right).
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> And? That means you have a bunch of Democrats
> breaking with the Party, hence the aforementioned
> civil war.
No. Your original post refers to differences of opinion over MediCare (which is hardly a 'civil war', btw).
The Democratic Party has a big enough tent to accommodate a variety of points-of-view. Not so the RNC, in which you either toe the line or you're excommunicated (primaried from the right).
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Factico
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:42PM
Voted on at the republican convention this year and passed:
MARRIAGE:
The platform affirms the rights of states and the federal government not to recognize same-sex marriage. It backs a constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman.
I'd say that's a clear position of the republican party.
MARRIAGE:
The platform affirms the rights of states and the federal government not to recognize same-sex marriage. It backs a constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman.
I'd say that's a clear position of the republican party.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:43PM
Talkers TPs Wrote:
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> And that equates to recognizing a religion as a US
> religion.
>
> Look up this term: non sequitur
>
> Oh, and find me a less biased source that People
> for the American Way.
>
> You are full of fail today. I can see the civil
> war within your party is really rattling you!
You're getting a little testy. I like it.
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> And that equates to recognizing a religion as a US
> religion.
>
> Look up this term: non sequitur
>
> Oh, and find me a less biased source that People
> for the American Way.
>
> You are full of fail today. I can see the civil
> war within your party is really rattling you!
You're getting a little testy. I like it.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:47PM
So why are Republicans anti-science?
http://www.salemnews.com/opinion/x321548065/McFeatters-Why-are-Republicans-anti-science
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/04/are-republicans-really-anti-science
http://www.salemnews.com/opinion/x321548065/McFeatters-Why-are-Republicans-anti-science
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/04/are-republicans-really-anti-science
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Talkers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:53PM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> So why are Republicans anti-science?
>
> http://www.salemnews.com/opinion/x321548065/McFeat
> ters-Why-are-Republicans-anti-science
>
> http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/04/are-
> republicans-really-anti-science
Umm, you produced opinion pieces with no evidence to support the conclusions. If you ask me, that is anti science as it clearly didn't follow the scientific method. Why are you anti-science? Speaking of science, are you afraid Guam might tip over?
Instead of addressing me, you may want to address the civil war happening in your party.
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> So why are Republicans anti-science?
>
> http://www.salemnews.com/opinion/x321548065/McFeat
> ters-Why-are-Republicans-anti-science
>
> http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/04/are-
> republicans-really-anti-science
Umm, you produced opinion pieces with no evidence to support the conclusions. If you ask me, that is anti science as it clearly didn't follow the scientific method. Why are you anti-science? Speaking of science, are you afraid Guam might tip over?
Instead of addressing me, you may want to address the civil war happening in your party.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Takers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:54PM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> Talkers TPs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And that equates to recognizing a religion as a
> US
> > religion.
> >
> > Look up this term: non sequitur
> >
> > Oh, and find me a less biased source that
> People
> > for the American Way.
> >
> > You are full of fail today. I can see the
> civil
> > war within your party is really rattling you!
>
> You're getting a little testy. I like it.
Testy? I am laughing at you. You hate that people are coming to the realization that your party is unstable. You are panicked and grumpy. It's hilarious.
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> Talkers TPs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And that equates to recognizing a religion as a
> US
> > religion.
> >
> > Look up this term: non sequitur
> >
> > Oh, and find me a less biased source that
> People
> > for the American Way.
> >
> > You are full of fail today. I can see the
> civil
> > war within your party is really rattling you!
>
> You're getting a little testy. I like it.
Testy? I am laughing at you. You hate that people are coming to the realization that your party is unstable. You are panicked and grumpy. It's hilarious.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Talkers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:57PM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> No. Your original post refers to differences of
> opinion over MediCare (which is hardly a 'civil
> war', btw).
Oh, that is just one issue of many that the Democrats are dividing themselves over. Look at Reid's dismissal of Obama's plan.
> The Democratic Party has a big enough tent to
> accommodate a variety of points-of-view. Not so
> the RNC, in which you either toe the line or
> you're excommunicated (primaried from the right).
Umm, not really. But hey, you are desperate now that the cat is out of the bag about how much disarray exists in the Democrat party. LOL.
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> No. Your original post refers to differences of
> opinion over MediCare (which is hardly a 'civil
> war', btw).
Oh, that is just one issue of many that the Democrats are dividing themselves over. Look at Reid's dismissal of Obama's plan.
> The Democratic Party has a big enough tent to
> accommodate a variety of points-of-view. Not so
> the RNC, in which you either toe the line or
> you're excommunicated (primaried from the right).
Umm, not really. But hey, you are desperate now that the cat is out of the bag about how much disarray exists in the Democrat party. LOL.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: December 13, 2012 01:58PM
Talkers TPs Wrote:
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> Umm, you produced opinion pieces with no evidence
> to support the conclusions. If you ask me, that
> is anti science as it clearly didn't follow the
> scientific method. Why are you anti-science?
After only a brief exchange with you, I am not surprised that you would equate opinion with science.
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> Umm, you produced opinion pieces with no evidence
> to support the conclusions. If you ask me, that
> is anti science as it clearly didn't follow the
> scientific method. Why are you anti-science?
After only a brief exchange with you, I am not surprised that you would equate opinion with science.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: December 13, 2012 02:01PM
Talkers TPs Wrote:
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> Umm, not really.
Oh, well who could question such a through, compelling agrument.
You are truly a master debater.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/13/2012 02:01PM by Lt Col Obvious.
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> Umm, not really.
Oh, well who could question such a through, compelling agrument.
You are truly a master debater.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/13/2012 02:01PM by Lt Col Obvious.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Talkers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 02:03PM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> Talkers TPs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Umm, you produced opinion pieces with no
> evidence
> > to support the conclusions. If you ask me,
> that
> > is anti science as it clearly didn't follow the
> > scientific method. Why are you anti-science?
>
> After only a brief exchange with you, I am not
> surprised that you would equate opinion with
> science.
LOL. Syas the moron who puts forward opinion pieces as science. There is not one study produced in the pieces you linked to; not a single piece of quantifiable scientific evidence. If there was, you'd point to it. Instead, you need to resort to ad hominem attacks. And it is not your first logic fail in this thread.
I find it amusing how defensive you are getting. Seeing your reactions is priceless.
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> Talkers TPs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Umm, you produced opinion pieces with no
> evidence
> > to support the conclusions. If you ask me,
> that
> > is anti science as it clearly didn't follow the
> > scientific method. Why are you anti-science?
>
> After only a brief exchange with you, I am not
> surprised that you would equate opinion with
> science.
LOL. Syas the moron who puts forward opinion pieces as science. There is not one study produced in the pieces you linked to; not a single piece of quantifiable scientific evidence. If there was, you'd point to it. Instead, you need to resort to ad hominem attacks. And it is not your first logic fail in this thread.
I find it amusing how defensive you are getting. Seeing your reactions is priceless.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Talkers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 02:05PM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> You are truly a master debater.
If only I could master the logical fallacies that permeate your arguments!
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> You are truly a master debater.
If only I could master the logical fallacies that permeate your arguments!
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: December 13, 2012 02:07PM
Talkers TPs Wrote:
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> There is not one study
> produced in the pieces you linked to; not a single
> piece of quantifiable scientific evidence.
You are too funny!
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> There is not one study
> produced in the pieces you linked to; not a single
> piece of quantifiable scientific evidence.
You are too funny!
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Talkers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 02:09PM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> Talkers TPs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There is not one study
> > produced in the pieces you linked to; not a
> single
> > piece of quantifiable scientific evidence.
>
> You are too funny!
Is this one of those master debate techniques you are speaking of? LOL.
Go ahead. Point to the scientific evidence in those pieces. You won't, becuase you can't!
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> Talkers TPs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There is not one study
> > produced in the pieces you linked to; not a
> single
> > piece of quantifiable scientific evidence.
>
> You are too funny!
Is this one of those master debate techniques you are speaking of? LOL.
Go ahead. Point to the scientific evidence in those pieces. You won't, becuase you can't!
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: December 13, 2012 02:45PM
Talkers TPs Wrote:
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> Umm, you produced opinion pieces with no evidence
> to support the conclusions.
Of course not: They're OPINION pieces.
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> Umm, you produced opinion pieces with no evidence
> to support the conclusions.
Of course not: They're OPINION pieces.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Talkers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 03:17PM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> Talkers TPs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Umm, you produced opinion pieces with no
> evidence
> > to support the conclusions.
>
> Of course not: They're OPINION pieces.
NEWSFLASH: Opinions pieces are more credible when they put forward facts on which to base their opinions.
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> Talkers TPs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Umm, you produced opinion pieces with no
> evidence
> > to support the conclusions.
>
> Of course not: They're OPINION pieces.
NEWSFLASH: Opinions pieces are more credible when they put forward facts on which to base their opinions.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: December 13, 2012 03:48PM
Talkers TPs Wrote:
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> NEWSFLASH: Opinions pieces are more credible when
> they put forward facts on which to base their
> opinions.
Oh, so you're backing off of your demand for "scientific evidence" in the OPINION pieces? LOLz!
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> NEWSFLASH: Opinions pieces are more credible when
> they put forward facts on which to base their
> opinions.
Oh, so you're backing off of your demand for "scientific evidence" in the OPINION pieces? LOLz!
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Talkers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 03:52PM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> Talkers TPs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > NEWSFLASH: Opinions pieces are more credible
> when
> > they put forward facts on which to base their
> > opinions.
>
> Oh, so you're backing off of your demand for
> "scientific evidence" in the OPINION pieces?
> LOLz!
Sure. I suppose it is only appropriate as you are backing off your assertion that Republicans are anti-science as you have failed to provide any factual evidence supporting that position! LOL.
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> Talkers TPs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > NEWSFLASH: Opinions pieces are more credible
> when
> > they put forward facts on which to base their
> > opinions.
>
> Oh, so you're backing off of your demand for
> "scientific evidence" in the OPINION pieces?
> LOLz!
Sure. I suppose it is only appropriate as you are backing off your assertion that Republicans are anti-science as you have failed to provide any factual evidence supporting that position! LOL.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: December 13, 2012 04:00PM
From the Salem News piece:
Fact: Todd Akin is a member of the House Science and Technology Committee.
Fact: Akin is firmly against abortion for any reason.
Fact: Akin immediately got $100,000 in campaign donations from Republicans after his “legitimate rape” statement.
Fact: During a formal debate in 2008, GOP presidential candidates Mike Huckabee, Sam Brownback, and Tom Tancredo raised their hands when asked if they did not believe in evolution.
Fact: Texas Gov. Rick Perry boasted that his state taught creationism, as well as evolution, so students can make up their own minds.
Fact: Michele Bachmann insists that the theory of evolution is “controversial” among scientists.
Fact: The [Republican] party platform says the only government family planning tool that should receive tax dollars is the teaching of abstinence.
Fact: Todd Akin is a member of the House Science and Technology Committee.
Fact: Akin is firmly against abortion for any reason.
Fact: Akin immediately got $100,000 in campaign donations from Republicans after his “legitimate rape” statement.
Fact: During a formal debate in 2008, GOP presidential candidates Mike Huckabee, Sam Brownback, and Tom Tancredo raised their hands when asked if they did not believe in evolution.
Fact: Texas Gov. Rick Perry boasted that his state taught creationism, as well as evolution, so students can make up their own minds.
Fact: Michele Bachmann insists that the theory of evolution is “controversial” among scientists.
Fact: The [Republican] party platform says the only government family planning tool that should receive tax dollars is the teaching of abstinence.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Talkers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 04:04PM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> From the Salem News piece:
>
> Fact: Todd Akin is a member of the House Science
> and Technology Committee.
And how does this make him anti science? Hank Johnson is a member of the Science Committee and he thought Guam would tip over. Does that make Democrats anti-science?
Fact is, you have not produced any evidence to support your assertion.
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> From the Salem News piece:
>
> Fact: Todd Akin is a member of the House Science
> and Technology Committee.
And how does this make him anti science? Hank Johnson is a member of the Science Committee and he thought Guam would tip over. Does that make Democrats anti-science?
Fact is, you have not produced any evidence to support your assertion.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: December 13, 2012 04:05PM
The anti-scientists on the House Science Committee
Republican Congressman Paul Broun of Georgia has ignited controversy with his recent remarks that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are "lies straight from the pit of hell."
Broun -- a physician who earned a bachelor's in chemistry from the University of Georgia and a medical degree from the Medical College of Georgia in Augusta -- made the controversial comments in a Sept. 27 speech at a sportsmen's banquet at Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell, Ga.
Adding to the uproar is the fact that Broun (in photo at right) sits on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.
In a video posted on the church's website, Broun said:
"God's word is true. I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell. And it's lies to try to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior."
Broun also told the gathering that the Earth is only about 9,000 years ago was created by God in six days. Such beliefs are held by fundamentalist Christians who maintain the creation accounts in the Bible are literally true. That puts them at odds with scientists who say the earth was formed approximately 4.54 billion years ago.
Republican Congressman Paul Broun of Georgia has ignited controversy with his recent remarks that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are "lies straight from the pit of hell."
Broun -- a physician who earned a bachelor's in chemistry from the University of Georgia and a medical degree from the Medical College of Georgia in Augusta -- made the controversial comments in a Sept. 27 speech at a sportsmen's banquet at Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell, Ga.
Adding to the uproar is the fact that Broun (in photo at right) sits on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.
In a video posted on the church's website, Broun said:
"God's word is true. I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell. And it's lies to try to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior."
Broun also told the gathering that the Earth is only about 9,000 years ago was created by God in six days. Such beliefs are held by fundamentalist Christians who maintain the creation accounts in the Bible are literally true. That puts them at odds with scientists who say the earth was formed approximately 4.54 billion years ago.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Talkers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 04:12PM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> The anti-scientists on the House Science
> Committee
>
> Republican Congressman Paul Broun of Georgia has
> ignited controversy with his recent remarks that
> evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are
> "lies straight from the pit of hell."
>
> Broun -- a physician who earned a bachelor's in
> chemistry from the University of Georgia and a
> medical degree from the Medical College of Georgia
> in Augusta -- made the controversial comments in a
> Sept. 27 speech at a sportsmen's banquet at
> Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell, Ga.
>
> Adding to the uproar is the fact that Broun (in
> photo at right) sits on the House Committee on
> Science, Space and Technology.
>
> In a video posted on the church's website, Broun
> said:
>
> "God's word is true. I've come to understand
> that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution
> and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is
> lies straight from the pit of hell. And
> it's lies to try to keep me and all the folks who
> are taught that from understanding that they need
> a savior."
>
> Broun also told the gathering that the Earth
> is only about 9,000 years ago was created by God
> in six days. Such beliefs are held by
> fundamentalist Christians who maintain the
> creation accounts in the Bible are literally true.
> That puts them at odds with scientists who say the
> earth was formed approximately 4.54 billion years
> ago.
Like these anti-scientists?
Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Houston). Jackson Lee, whose district neighbors the Johnson Space Center, is a member of the House Committee on Science, and so it was that she spent part of her summer recess visiting the Mars Pathfinder Operations Center in Pasadena, California. While there, according to an article by Sandy Hume in The Hill, a weekly newspaper that covers Congress, Jackson Lee asked if the Pathfinder succeeded in taking pictures of the American flag planted on Mars by Neil Armstrong in 1969.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg
Both Democrats and both members of the Science Committee. So, according to your logic, Democrats are anti-science.
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> The anti-scientists on the House Science
> Committee
>
> Republican Congressman Paul Broun of Georgia has
> ignited controversy with his recent remarks that
> evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are
> "lies straight from the pit of hell."
>
> Broun -- a physician who earned a bachelor's in
> chemistry from the University of Georgia and a
> medical degree from the Medical College of Georgia
> in Augusta -- made the controversial comments in a
> Sept. 27 speech at a sportsmen's banquet at
> Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell, Ga.
>
> Adding to the uproar is the fact that Broun (in
> photo at right) sits on the House Committee on
> Science, Space and Technology.
>
> In a video posted on the church's website, Broun
> said:
>
> "God's word is true. I've come to understand
> that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution
> and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is
> lies straight from the pit of hell. And
> it's lies to try to keep me and all the folks who
> are taught that from understanding that they need
> a savior."
>
> Broun also told the gathering that the Earth
> is only about 9,000 years ago was created by God
> in six days. Such beliefs are held by
> fundamentalist Christians who maintain the
> creation accounts in the Bible are literally true.
> That puts them at odds with scientists who say the
> earth was formed approximately 4.54 billion years
> ago.
Like these anti-scientists?
Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Houston). Jackson Lee, whose district neighbors the Johnson Space Center, is a member of the House Committee on Science, and so it was that she spent part of her summer recess visiting the Mars Pathfinder Operations Center in Pasadena, California. While there, according to an article by Sandy Hume in The Hill, a weekly newspaper that covers Congress, Jackson Lee asked if the Pathfinder succeeded in taking pictures of the American flag planted on Mars by Neil Armstrong in 1969.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg
Both Democrats and both members of the Science Committee. So, according to your logic, Democrats are anti-science.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: December 13, 2012 05:06PM
Talkers TPs Wrote:
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> Like these anti-scientists?
>
> Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Houston). Jackson Lee, whose
> district neighbors the Johnson Space Center, is a
> member of the House Committee on Science, and so
> it was that she spent part of her summer recess
> visiting the Mars Pathfinder Operations Center in
> Pasadena, California. While there, according to an
> article by Sandy Hume in The Hill, a weekly
> newspaper that covers Congress, Jackson Lee asked
> if the Pathfinder succeeded in taking pictures of
> the American flag planted on Mars by Neil
> Armstrong in 1969.
What science is she denying by confusing the Moon with Mars?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/13/2012 05:19PM by Lt Col Obvious.
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> Like these anti-scientists?
>
> Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Houston). Jackson Lee, whose
> district neighbors the Johnson Space Center, is a
> member of the House Committee on Science, and so
> it was that she spent part of her summer recess
> visiting the Mars Pathfinder Operations Center in
> Pasadena, California. While there, according to an
> article by Sandy Hume in The Hill, a weekly
> newspaper that covers Congress, Jackson Lee asked
> if the Pathfinder succeeded in taking pictures of
> the American flag planted on Mars by Neil
> Armstrong in 1969.
What science is she denying by confusing the Moon with Mars?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/13/2012 05:19PM by Lt Col Obvious.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Talkers TPs
()
Date: December 13, 2012 05:08PM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> Talkers TPs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Like these anti-scientists?
> >
> > Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Houston). Jackson Lee,
> whose
> > district neighbors the Johnson Space Center, is
> a
> > member of the House Committee on Science, and
> so
> > it was that she spent part of her summer recess
> > visiting the Mars Pathfinder Operations Center
> in
> > Pasadena, California. While there, according to
> an
> > article by Sandy Hume in The Hill, a weekly
> > newspaper that covers Congress, Jackson Lee
> asked
> > if the Pathfinder succeeded in taking pictures
> of
> > the American flag planted on Mars by Neil
> > Armstrong in 1969.
>
> What science is she denying by thinking that
> Armstrong landed on Mars?
The Fact that Armstrong landed on the MOON.
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> Talkers TPs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Like these anti-scientists?
> >
> > Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Houston). Jackson Lee,
> whose
> > district neighbors the Johnson Space Center, is
> a
> > member of the House Committee on Science, and
> so
> > it was that she spent part of her summer recess
> > visiting the Mars Pathfinder Operations Center
> in
> > Pasadena, California. While there, according to
> an
> > article by Sandy Hume in The Hill, a weekly
> > newspaper that covers Congress, Jackson Lee
> asked
> > if the Pathfinder succeeded in taking pictures
> of
> > the American flag planted on Mars by Neil
> > Armstrong in 1969.
>
> What science is she denying by thinking that
> Armstrong landed on Mars?
The Fact that Armstrong landed on the MOON.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Hay Zeus
()
Date: December 13, 2012 05:19PM
^^^^ There is to much sexual tension between you two, just meet up, bang and get it over with.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/13/2012 05:19PM by Hay Zeus.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/13/2012 05:19PM by Hay Zeus.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: December 13, 2012 05:21PM
Talkers TPs Wrote:
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> The Fact that Armstrong landed on the MOON.
Confusing the Moon with Mars is like confusing Cleveland with Milwaukee. It's embarrassing, but has nothing to do with science.
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> The Fact that Armstrong landed on the MOON.
Confusing the Moon with Mars is like confusing Cleveland with Milwaukee. It's embarrassing, but has nothing to do with science.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Young Curmudgeon
()
Date: December 13, 2012 05:32PM
The DNC has become overly liberal. The GOP has become overly conservative. Neither are good for the country.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Hay Zeus
()
Date: December 13, 2012 05:46PM
Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
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> The DNC has become overly liberal. The GOP has
> become overly conservative. Neither are good for
> the country.
GOP overly conservative?? Who in leadership position is a bona-fide conservative?
The problem with the Republicans is it is run by "moderates" and operatives like Karl Rove who are really Democrat Lites and not a true opposition party. Half the electoriate does not want a big Federal Government yet both parties position themselvs as the better alternative to running an outsized Federal Governemt that was never envisioned.
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> The DNC has become overly liberal. The GOP has
> become overly conservative. Neither are good for
> the country.
GOP overly conservative?? Who in leadership position is a bona-fide conservative?
The problem with the Republicans is it is run by "moderates" and operatives like Karl Rove who are really Democrat Lites and not a true opposition party. Half the electoriate does not want a big Federal Government yet both parties position themselvs as the better alternative to running an outsized Federal Governemt that was never envisioned.
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: December 13, 2012 06:01PM
Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The DNC has become overly liberal. The GOP has
> > become overly conservative. Neither are good
> for
> > the country.
>
> GOP overly conservative?? Who in leadership
> position is a bona-fide conservative?
All of the teabaggers elected in 2010 (some of whom were defeated last month, thankfully) have driven the GOP much further to the right, whether the leadership likes it or not.
> The problem with the Republicans is it is run by
> "moderates" and operatives like Karl Rove who are
> really Democrat Lites and not a true opposition
> party.
It's that way for a reason. If the nut jobs had the votes, do think for one minute they'd hesitate to take boehner down?
> Half the electoriate does not want a big
> Federal Government yet both parties position
> themselvs as the better alternative to running an
> outsized Federal Governemt that was never
> envisioned.
If you ask voters; "Do you want big government?", the answer is no. But if you if they want the government to provide services and help people, the answer is yes.
BTW, an refering to "an outsized Federal Governemt that was never envisioned" is odd, because there is so much about modern life the the founders didn't, or couldn't envision. If we could go back and ask them; "Would you expect that the Constitution and Bill of Rights would be effective as the sole governing documents for a nation of 310 million people that spans an entire continent?" I wonder what they'd say?
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> Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The DNC has become overly liberal. The GOP has
> > become overly conservative. Neither are good
> for
> > the country.
>
> GOP overly conservative?? Who in leadership
> position is a bona-fide conservative?
All of the teabaggers elected in 2010 (some of whom were defeated last month, thankfully) have driven the GOP much further to the right, whether the leadership likes it or not.
> The problem with the Republicans is it is run by
> "moderates" and operatives like Karl Rove who are
> really Democrat Lites and not a true opposition
> party.
It's that way for a reason. If the nut jobs had the votes, do think for one minute they'd hesitate to take boehner down?
> Half the electoriate does not want a big
> Federal Government yet both parties position
> themselvs as the better alternative to running an
> outsized Federal Governemt that was never
> envisioned.
If you ask voters; "Do you want big government?", the answer is no. But if you if they want the government to provide services and help people, the answer is yes.
BTW, an refering to "an outsized Federal Governemt that was never envisioned" is odd, because there is so much about modern life the the founders didn't, or couldn't envision. If we could go back and ask them; "Would you expect that the Constitution and Bill of Rights would be effective as the sole governing documents for a nation of 310 million people that spans an entire continent?" I wonder what they'd say?
Re: There is a civil war in the Democratic party
Posted by:
Young Curmudgeon
()
Date: December 13, 2012 08:49PM
Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> GOP overly conservative?? Who in leadership
> position is a bona-fide conservative?
It's not the leadership. It's that you have people running around making idiotic comments like Mourdock and Akin did. You have Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, and Sean Hannity serving as the voices of the party. They don't represent what most of the GOP believes. Hell, I'm a Republican and they don't represent what I believe.
> The problem with the Republicans is it is run by
> "moderates" and operatives like Karl Rove who are
> really Democrat Lites and not a true opposition
> party.
Karl Rove is a Democrat Lite as much as Strom Thurmond was a champion of civil rights. The government is too large, yes. The issue with saying "big government" is that it's very poorly defined. If "Big Government" means a government that intrudes upon freedoms, then neither party supports it. If "big government" means a government that provides services to the people, then a lot of people want that.
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> GOP overly conservative?? Who in leadership
> position is a bona-fide conservative?
It's not the leadership. It's that you have people running around making idiotic comments like Mourdock and Akin did. You have Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, and Sean Hannity serving as the voices of the party. They don't represent what most of the GOP believes. Hell, I'm a Republican and they don't represent what I believe.
> The problem with the Republicans is it is run by
> "moderates" and operatives like Karl Rove who are
> really Democrat Lites and not a true opposition
> party.
Karl Rove is a Democrat Lite as much as Strom Thurmond was a champion of civil rights. The government is too large, yes. The issue with saying "big government" is that it's very poorly defined. If "Big Government" means a government that intrudes upon freedoms, then neither party supports it. If "big government" means a government that provides services to the people, then a lot of people want that.