Gun-related violence has fallen steadily since 2006 in Virginia despite record firearm sales, according to a university professor's analysis. Virginia Commonwealth University professor Thomas R. Baker compared state crime data from 2006 through 2011 with gun-dealer sales estimates obtained by the Richmond Times-Dispatch ( http://bit.ly/YcTt5E). Baker's analysis shows the number of gun purchases soared 73 percent in the six-year period, while gun-related violent crimes fell 24 percent.

I thought more guns equaled more crime according to anti gun liberals. Yet how can they explain this.

The estimated number of gun purchases based on requested background checks rose from 243,251 in 2006 to a record-breaking 420,829 sales last year, according to gun-dealer transaction data compiled by state police through background checks. Over that same period, the total number of violent crimes in Virginia dropped from 23,431 offenses in 2006 to 18,196 in 2011.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/local/central-virginia/gun-related-violent-crimes-drop-as-gun-sales-soar-in/article_54cca13a-35ee-11e2-83f0-0019bb30f31a.html

420,829 gun sales in one year? That is one heck of a lot of guns.

Gun-Related Deaths Outnumber Vehicle Deaths In D.C. Area By: Ashley Dejean // October 14, 2012


More people die of gunshots than from motor vehicle accidents and crashes in our region, according to a new study by a group aiming to reduce gun violence.

The study by the Violence Policy Center compares gun and vehicle deaths in Maryland, Virginia and the District. Kristen Rand, the group's legislative director, says the numbers come from the National Center for Injury and Prevention Control.

"What we found is that in each of those jurisdictions, gun deaths outpaced motor vehicle deaths," she says. "There were a total of 1,512 gun deaths and 1,280 motor vehicle deaths in 2010, which is the latest year for which figures were available."

Rand calls it a public health crisis.



http://wamu.org/news/12/10/14/gun_related_deaths_outnumber_vehicle_deaths_in_dc_area

What has being liberal have to do with your fucking post?
I'm a liberal Jew who owns a few weapons. Still own the one that I used in combat and has a few notches on the handle. Dumb fucking conservatives use guns to support there agenda. You seem to be scared of guns.
Guns are America. Their are more important issues this country needs to deal with then who buys guns and crime. In case you haven't read your history books. Crime is America. Now go enjoy a peace of apple pie.

If you own a gun you are not a true liberal. True liberals believe you should be ashamed to own anything a criminal doesnt. It is your duty to hand over anything he demands. Dont you go to the meetings.

"More people die of gunshots than from motor vehicle accidents and crashes in our region"

cherry picking when she includes the ghettos of DC and PG. She should try using stats exclusive to Va, Md or Dc then get back to us

I fear being run over in a crosswalk in Northern Va far more than being shot. With illegals, Asians and soccer moms plus teens texting the odds of being run over are far greater than being shot. You can survive a gun shot but the odds are against you when being hit by a SUV doing 20+mph

MORE GUNS = MORE DEATHS
Some claim that more guns will make us safer. In fact, where there are more guns there are higher rates of gun death and
injury. A terrible irony is that both in the US and internationally where there are more guns there also tends to be more
opposition to gun control.
International Comparisons
Among industrialized countries, where there are higher rates of gun ownership, there are also higher rates of gun death.
This is because when there are guns in the home they are more likely to be used in suicides,1 and domestic homicides,2
or to be the cause of accidental injury, particularly among youth.3
Source:
http://guncontrol.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/moregunsmoredeaths2012.pdf

guess you didnt bother to read the second post in the thread at all eh?

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> guess you didnt bother to read the second post in
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Right wing cherry picking bullshit.
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> If you own a gun you are not a true liberal. True
> liberals believe you should be ashamed to own
> anything a criminal doesnt. It is your duty to
> hand over anything he demands. Dont you go to the
> meetings.


You are full of shit. Now be a good citizen and join the military and defend freedom.

No way, they have too many rules of engagement. Embassy guards with no bullets in the rifles. I dont think so.

Gun crime, like all crime, in the US is generally trending downward. There are many reasons for this. People buying more guns is not a reason for this. The fact that you drew a conclusion based on this sole statistic proves what a dumbshit you are.

Again, crime is going in the US. Crime is going down in a nearly identical way in the UK, and they only have 600 or so murders with a gun a year, compared to our 8775 murders with a firearm (2010) in the US.

This number does not include suicide with a gun. If you own a gun you are obviously more likely to use it in a suicide obviously then someone who doesnt own a gun.

"According to the study suicide among people 45 years of age and younger suicide is the 3rd leading cause of death in the United States. Among the 50 states in the United States, those with higher rates of household gun ownership had higher rates of suicide among children, women and men.

It is important to understand, according to the study, that the higher rates of suicide among those who own guns has to do with the fact that guns are much more lethal than other methods of attempting suicide. What is troubling about this is that suicide attempts are viewed as a desperate call for help among those who are depressed or mentally ill with a psychotic illness. The rate of successful suicide completions is far less for people who use other methods than using a gun. For example, 75% of all suicide attempts are by the use of drugs. These people are found alive 97% of the time. Those who succeed in using drugs to attempt suicide are successful only 3% of the time. By contrast, more than 90% of all suicide attempts by use of firearms are successful. The bottom line is that anyone using a gun to commit suicide is not likely to have their call for help heard and responded to before its too late."


Suicide is still the leading cause of firearm death in the U.S. In 2007, the U.S. firearm suicide total was 17,352 an increase from the 2006 national gun suicide number of 16,883. The state of Illinois saw a 13.7% INCREASE in gun suicides from 372 in 2006 to 423 in 2007. Over half of suicides in the U.S. are committed with firearms.

If we take into account the gun related suicide in your "gun related violence" stats, the numbers would be very different. Why don't we? Because when the CDC and a couple of other agencies started to look at these, the NRA had congress cut it down. They know. They just don't want you to know.

sore loser, liberals live and die with stats but refuse to accept any that dont go along with their views.

If the report had said gun sales up and deaths by guns up you would be proclaiming this is gospel truth.

Gun sales up crime down?? Say it aint so.....
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> guns up you would be proclaiming this is gospel
> truth.


Hey dumbshit, no "report" would ever say that. it is too simple a concept, just like you.

Reports have a theory and prove or disprove that theory with causes and relationships and explain those. They are open to peer review and data that anyone can analyze.

Just because the reports you read are three sentences long only proves you are a dumbshit who is unable to comprehend anything more complicated.

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> I thought more guns equaled more crime according
> to anti gun liberals. Yet how can they explain
> this.

You thought wrong. You are a dumbshit.

Please find me the leader of the, or the spokesperson for, the liberals who said what you are claiming they said. Find anyone in a leadership position who said that. You won't.

You boil things down to the simple, cause you are simple.

Work with facts, please.

Unless you think the state police made up the amount of gun purchases and crime stats then you are wrong AGAIN. Pictured is you
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> are wrong AGAIN. Pictured is you


You are a dumbshit. Did I say I think that? Did I accuse you of falsifying data? Fuck no you dumbshit.

Read what I said.

not really Wrote:
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> Gun-Related Deaths Outnumber Vehicle Deaths In
> D.C. Area By: Ashley Dejean // October 14, 2012
>
>
> More people die of gunshots than from motor
> vehicle accidents and crashes in our region,
> according to a new study by a group aiming to
> reduce gun violence.
>
> The study by the Violence Policy Center compares
> gun and vehicle deaths in Maryland, Virginia and
> the District. Kristen Rand, the group's
> legislative director, says the numbers come from
> the National Center for Injury and Prevention
> Control.
>
> "What we found is that in each of those
> jurisdictions, gun deaths outpaced motor vehicle
> deaths," she says. "There were a total of 1,512
> gun deaths and 1,280 motor vehicle deaths in 2010,
> which is the latest year for which figures were
> available."
>
> Rand calls it a public health crisis.
>
>
>
> http://wamu.org/news/12/10/14/gun_related_deaths_o
> utnumber_vehicle_deaths_in_dc_area

I find no relationship between gun related and motor vehicle deaths. No reasonable comparison. The Constitution guarantees your right to own a firearm
but nowhere does it mention cars. The Soros funded Violence Policy has a long established history of providing false statistics and outright lies in order to
push their anti-Constitutional agenda and has no credibility whatsoever.
The NRA otoh only uses FBI crime statistics. Why is that?

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Meade's Hillbilly Cousin Wrote:
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>
> This number does not include suicide with a gun.
> If you own a gun you are obviously more likely to
> use it in a suicide obviously then someone who
> doesnt own a gun.
>
> "According to the study suicide among people 45
> years of age and younger suicide is the 3rd
> leading cause of death in the United States. Among
> the 50 states in the United States, those with
> higher rates of household gun ownership had higher
> rates of suicide among children, women and men.
>
> It is important to understand, according to the
> study, that the higher rates of suicide among
> those who own guns has to do with the fact that
> guns are much more lethal than other methods of
> attempting suicide. What is troubling about this
> is that suicide attempts are viewed as a desperate
> call for help among those who are depressed or
> mentally ill with a psychotic illness. The rate of
> successful suicide completions is far less for
> people who use other methods than using a gun. For
> example, 75% of all suicide attempts are by the
> use of drugs. These people are found alive 97% of
> the time. Those who succeed in using drugs to
> attempt suicide are successful only 3% of the
> time. By contrast, more than 90% of all suicide
> attempts by use of firearms are successful. The
> bottom line is that anyone using a gun to commit
> suicide is not likely to have their call for help
> heard and responded to before its too late."
>
>
> Suicide is still the leading cause of firearm
> death in the U.S. In 2007, the U.S. firearm
> suicide total was 17,352 an increase from the 2006
> national gun suicide number of 16,883. The state
> of Illinois saw a 13.7% INCREASE in gun suicides
> from 372 in 2006 to 423 in 2007. Over half of
> suicides in the U.S. are committed with firearms.
>
> If we take into account the gun related suicide in
> your "gun related violence" stats, the numbers
> would be very different. Why don't we? Because
> when the CDC and a couple of other agencies
> started to look at these, the NRA had congress cut
> it down. They know. They just don't want you to
> know.


Unfortunately for your own biased argument, if the presence of and access to guns was the factor driving suicide rates, then you'd expect some correlation between the two. There's not. Versus many other areas where guns are significantly restricted, the US is far below in the number of suicides per capita. And if you look at areas where access to various methods of suicide have been removed or restricted (e.g., Japan, Canada, Australia), then you find that people tend to just substitute another available method.

Suffocation/hanging and poisoning work just fine as the stats show. Guns are used frequently because of familiarity and effectiveness. You won't stop many suicides by removing guns, you'll mostly just increase the numbers attributed to other means.

damn those guns always murdering and shit.
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thats because Americans are fatter and make easier targets.

This is all a mute point.

Obama took every bodies handguns and ammunition in 2009 shortly after he was elected.

I hate to break it to you OP but the gun control issue does not break down as neatly as you'd like on a liberal v. conservative basis. There are a large number of liberals who are quite comfortable with the idea that law abiding citizens should be able to own firearms. There are also a large number of conservatives who favor forms of gun control.

Conservatives believe the thousands of Federal State and Local laws more than cover gun control. Enforcement is lacking esp when the U S supplies weapons to Mexican gangs.

Liberals believe adding a few thousand more laws to the existing ones will suddenly make criminals rethink their choice of occupation and turn in their guns. Dont hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

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> This is all a mute point.
>
> Obama took every bodies handguns and ammunition in
> 2009 shortly after he was elected.


A mute point huh. lol

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> > This is all a mute point.
> >
> > Obama took every bodies handguns and ammunition
> in
> > 2009 shortly after he was elected.
>
>
> A mute point huh. lol


You don't know what a mute point is? Ask a deaf person.

not really Wrote:
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> Gun-Related Deaths Outnumber Vehicle Deaths In
> D.C. Area By: Ashley Dejean // October 14, 2012
>
>
> More people die of gunshots than from motor
> vehicle accidents and crashes in our region,
> according to a new study by a group aiming to
> reduce gun violence.
>
> The study by the Violence Policy Center compares
> gun and vehicle deaths in Maryland, Virginia and
> the District. Kristen Rand, the group's
> legislative director, says the numbers come from
> the National Center for Injury and Prevention
> Control.
>
> "What we found is that in each of those
> jurisdictions, gun deaths outpaced motor vehicle
> deaths," she says. "There were a total of 1,512
> gun deaths and 1,280 motor vehicle deaths in 2010,
> which is the latest year for which figures were
> available."
>
> Rand calls it a public health crisis.
>
>
>
> http://wamu.org/news/12/10/14/gun_related_deaths_o
> utnumber_vehicle_deaths_in_dc_area


How can there be gun deaths in DC guns are banned?

Are you trying to tell me that bans dont reduce gun violence?

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> > This is all a mute point.
> >
> > Obama took every bodies handguns and ammunition
> in
> > 2009 shortly after he was elected.
>
>
> A mute point huh. lol

People don't know the word "moot". The proper statement would be "This is all a moot point". There's no such thing as a "mute point".

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> I hate to break it to you OP but the gun control
> issue does not break down as neatly as you'd like
> on a liberal v. conservative basis. There are a
> large number of liberals who are quite comfortable
> with the idea that law abiding citizens should be
> able to own firearms. There are also a large
> number of conservatives who favor forms of gun
> control.


http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

Gotta love the mind blowing chutzpah of the Left.

They're demented nigger lovers whose #1 priority in life is promoting and protecting brown people and making sure we Whites mix with them.

Nigs are subhuman mongoloids who mug, rape and murder everyone and everything.

They commit gun crimes every single fucking day in Leftist cities where guns are already highly regulated and then these degenerate "liberal" pieces of shit go and point to high gun crime statistics in order to justify more weapon bans.

And they blame we White conservative NRA members for their nig pets acting like feral chimps...

And they know they can get away with it because White conservatives are too deathly afraid of being called hateful and ignorant racists to state the fucking obvious...

Can you be more specific when you use the term conservative? Conservative Democrat or Conservative republican? Two entire different ideas.

I am assuming conservative republican?

Which actually is a huge misnomer since conservative republicans are not conservative at all. In fact republicans are known to drive wasteful cars, don't believe in conserving resources and like to spend money.

Funny how republicans want to think of themselves as conversing.

If it was not for conservatives you would have to buy your own obamaphone.

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> http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

Sorry I lost interest in this drivel after screen #3. What was it on this site that proved me wrong?

Like it or not some issues simply do not break down well into a liberal/conservative divide, and gun control happens to be one of them.

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> > http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
>
> Sorry I lost interest in this drivel after screen
> #3. What was it on this site that proved me
> wrong?
>
> Like it or not some issues simply do not break
> down well into a liberal/conservative divide, and
> gun control happens to be one of them.


Drivel?

If you say so.

I posted that link because it supported your argument, Bill.

Paranoid much?

Sorry. In wading through it more carefully I do see there are bits in it that do indicate as you say. Unfortunately you do have to wade through a good deal of other information to find it.

Liberals want total Gov't control of everything we do. They want the gov't to give us free abortions and birth contraception. And then they want to take away our right to bear arms.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> >
> > http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
>
> Sorry I lost interest in this drivel after screen
> #3. What was it on this site that proved me
> wrong?
>
> Like it or not some issues simply do not break
> down well into a liberal/conservative divide, and
> gun control happens to be one of them.

Youre both right. There are gun lovers on both sides, but the percentage is higher on the republican side. The major difference is that the banning talk comes from the left and theyre usually pretty quiet when it comes to protecting gun rights unless they need to get reelected. That said its not a party line issue

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> If it was not for conservatives you would have to
> buy your own obamaphone.


Correction BUSHphone. But then again Bush never happened.

Factico Wrote:
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> > If it was not for conservatives you would have
> to
> > buy your own obamaphone.
>
>
> Correction BUSHphone. But then again Bush never
> happened.

Can someone please tell me why the crazy woman in Cleveland was voting/campaining for Obama and not crediting Bush with the "free phone"? Maybe I missed something.

Ok so libs are wrong that Jesus really comes from the Kolob universe?