How much can one get in food stamps here in VA?

Also, how does one go about getting them?

Do you simply have to prove that you're unemployed?

How does it work?

I'd also like to know.

We now live in an entitlement society.

I want my free shit.

If I don't get it, Imma riot...

Some of my buddies and I got them when we were in school long ago.

We were all poor-ass self-supporting students. One guy figured out that we qualified, so we all went down and applied. No problem at all. They're there to give away free stuff and more than happy help.

It was a sweet deal. Don't recall now exactly how much it was at the time but fairly significant. We went from living on Kraft macaroni and cheese and pbjs to having those little buffet hams, steak, pies, whatever. As long as it's food you're good. Secondary benefit was that it freed up more beer and pot money. lol

That was a long time ago though. No idea how it works now.

The funny thing about Food Stamps is that everyone thinks its "Free Stuff" for the recipients -- what they don't look at is to whom the payments are made. Therein lies exactly who benefits from the government "free stuff" that is handed out.

As Deep Throat said, "Follow the money..."

Ito Wrote:
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> The funny thing about Food Stamps is that everyone
> thinks its "Free Stuff" for the recipients -- what
> they don't look at is to whom the payments are
> made. Therein lies exactly who benefits from the
> government "free stuff" that is handed out.
>
> As Deep Throat said, "Follow the money..."


Are you on drugs? Seriously... are you?

Everyone thinks it's free stuff for the recipient because it IS free stuff for the recipient.

If the store that handed out the free stuff to the recipient is being reimbursed by the government.... well, that only makes sense, now don't it?

It's a government hand-out not a hand-out by the grocery store.

I'm wondering..... are grocery stores required by the government to accept food stamps?

Would the grocery stores sell that food without the food stamp payments?

Ito Wrote:
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> Would the grocery stores sell that food without
> the food stamp payments?

I'm not even going to answer this.

You ARE on drugs......

I'm not on drugs. I'm pointing out that the food industry enjoys the benefits from Food Stamps just as much as the people who are eating it. If you got rid of food stamps it would hurt the economy much more than you think. The margins of selling food at a supermarket are such that the amount of food that is sold because of Food Stamps is significant.

People who receive EBT don't skimp on what they spend either. If they are allotted a certain amount per month, they don't leave anything left on that card. They spend every last dollar -- sometimes on stuff they don't want or need. Who makes a profit on that?

Grocery stores aren't required to accept food stamps, but they would be crazy to not do it.

$80 billion a year is spent on Food Stamps. If you don't think the food manufacturers and retailers don't benefit from this subsidy, you are naive. Do you really think that the big government types do this simply out of the kindness of their hearts? You don't think the lobbyists fight every day to make sure their products are covered by EBT?

Its a bonanza to be able to sell stuff on EBT. I don't usually link articles from the Washington Times, but this article does a good job about talking about both the recipients and the sellers.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/24/top-secret-what-food-stamps-buy/?page=all

just wondering Wrote:
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> How much can one get in food stamps here in VA?
>
> Also, how does one go about getting them?
>
> Do you simply have to prove that you're
> unemployed?
>
> How does it work?


are you an illegal ? they are the only ones that get food stamps, medical, dental.. etc..

if you were born here and white your out of luck

Ito Wrote:
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> $80 billion a year is spent on Food Stamps. If you
> don't think the food manufacturers and retailers
> don't benefit from this subsidy, you are naive. Do
> you really think that the big government types do
> this simply out of the kindness of their hearts?
> You don't think the lobbyists fight every day to
> make sure their products are covered by EBT?
>
> Its a bonanza to be able to sell stuff on EBT. I
> don't usually link articles from the Washington
> Times, but this article does a good job about
> talking about both the recipients and the
> sellers.
>
> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/24/to
> p-secret-what-food-stamps-buy/?page=all


LOL!!!!

Big fucking deal. You're pointing out that government programs are riddled with fraud. WOW...

As if I didn't already know that.

I no longer give a shit about the fraud.

I want my food stamps and I'm going to get them..........

I am now a socialist.

I am getting what I'm entitled to and then some.

I am not pointing out that government programs are riddled with fraud. I am pointing out that these government programs are set up to benefit the food producers and retailers just as much (if not more) than giving food to people who are poor.

Edit:

Just to point out how this isn't socialism or Marxism -- If it were socialism, then the government would require that the food producers and retailers would have to sell the food at cost.

If it were Marxism, the government would own the food producers and retailers.

This is the problem with the people who frame the arguments on the right about "food stamps" are free stuff.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/09/2012 03:30AM by Ito.

Ito Wrote:
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> I am not pointing out that government programs are
> riddled with fraud. I am pointing out that these
> government programs are set up to benefit the food
> producers and retailers just as much (if not more)
> than giving food to people who are poor.

Bull Fucking Shit

See above for my edit.

Ito Wrote:
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> I am not pointing out that government programs are
> riddled with fraud. I am pointing out that these
> government programs are set up to benefit the food
> producers and retailers just as much (if not more)
> than giving food to people who are poor.


Get off the drugs....

Liberals promote these programs in order to create dependency on the government.

Wake up baby doll and smell the fucking reality of socialism....

Yep. Keep thinking that it is only liberals in Congress who write these laws and liberal presidents who sign them.

Actually, just to throw more shit on this pile, you could argue that it is the liberals who are responsible for ensuring that there are the few exceptions that there are. Of the recent changes to the Food Stamp legislation, it was the removal of soft drinks and non-nutritional foods from the list of eligible purchases that was pushed by the "liberals".

Ito Wrote:
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> Yep. Keep thinking that it is only liberals in
> Congress who write these laws and liberal
> presidents who sign them.


Ito, if you don't understand that socialism is a "liberal" agenda, then I don't know how to help you, except to smack your head around a few times, so maybe your brain shifts into place.

Funnily enough, socialism is not very liberal...... it's restrictive, it's condescending, it places government....people with IQ's no higher than your own, way above you and it gives these people great power over your life.

Anyway, that's all I'm going to say on the subject.

Socialism sucks and it always fails.... end of story.

I'm pointing out that the socialism of food stamps is much more widespread than you realize. It is not just socialism for the recipients, but socialism for the providers as well.

Could it be that John Boehner's people are in on the socialism? (from the Times article)

"In February, 7-Eleven hired a former aide to House Speaker John A. Boehner, Ohio Republican, to lobby on 'issues related to the general application and approval process for qualified establishments serving SNAP-eligible recipients.'"

Its not just a "liberal" agenda to hand out this money. There are plenty of "capitalist" interests in it as well.

http://www.appetiteforprofit.com/2012/06/12/farm-bill-jackpot-how-much-do-corporations-benefit-from-snap/

Employers benefit from Food Stamps because they can pay sub-standard wages to their employees:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/10/1141724/-Walmart-fuels-inequality-epidemic-taking-advantage-of-our-safety-net

Yeah, yeah, socialism, unions they're all out to make people reliant on the government. Just ask yourself then, how else do you live on a Walmart salary if you can't have food stamps?

Ito Wrote:
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> I'm pointing out that the socialism of food stamps
> is much more widespread than you realize. It is
> not just socialism for the recipients, but
> socialism for the providers as well.
>
> Could it be that John Boehner's people are in on
> the socialism? (from the Times article)


I support ending the food stamp program.

Are you with me?

Yes or no, please..... no long, drawn out bullshit answer.

Alias Wrote:
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> I support ending the food stamp program.
>
> Are you with me?
>
> Yes or no, please..... no long, drawn out bullshit
> answer.

It depends on how much you want to pay for groceries. If you don't mind paying an additional 20 - 50% more money for your food, then sure I'll go with you. (I'll save the long drawn-out bullshit answer by saying that if you want to get rid of food stamps, then you're going to have to pay retail employees more money, which will drive up prices. You'll also have retail supermarkets lose 10% of their income, etc.)

You also have to figure out where poor people will get their food.

The U.S. existed just fine without Food Stamps before, but ours was a different economy then. People lived closer to the farms and where food was produced.

So the utopian answer to your question is, sure, let's get rid of it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/09/2012 04:54AM by Ito.

Ito Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I support ending the food stamp program.
> >
> > Are you with me?
> >
> > Yes or no, please..... no long, drawn out
> bullshit
> > answer.
>
> It depends on how much you want to pay for
> groceries. If you don't mind paying an additional
> 20 - 50% more money for your food, then sure I'll
> go with you. (I'll save the long drawn-out
> bullshit answer by saying that if you want to get
> rid of food stamps, then you're going to have to
> pay retail employees more money, which will drive
> up prices. You'll also have retail supermarkets
> lose 10% of their income, etc.)
>
> You also have to figure out where poor people will
> get their food.
>
> The U.S. existed just fine without Food Stamps
> before, but ours was a different economy then.
> People lived closer to the farms and where food
> was produced.
>
> So the utopian answer to your question is, sure,
> let's get rid of it.


God almighty, I asked for a yes or no answer, not a bunch of bullshit.

"The U.S. existed just fine without Food Stamps before, but ours was a different economy then."

The Churches handled welfare. We called it charity. Food Stamps were unnessasary.

Now, the Feds do.

A Church could turn you away for being a crackhead.

The Feds don't.

Welfare grows.

The people, by the gov's design, have become less resposible for themselves.

In turn, Welfare's needs grows.

The Dems create their voter base.

just wondering Wrote:
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> How much can one get in food stamps here in VA?
>
> Also, how does one go about getting them?
>
> Do you simply have to prove that you're
> unemployed?
>
> How does it work?


Social services office will do all the paperwork for you. They do a few simple checks to find your debt and reported income info. In most cases if you are unemployed they will require you to get on a monitored job search program with the state unemployment office.
I think Georgia has the prettiest ebt card.
Attachments:

HOA MGR Wrote:
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> "The U.S. existed just fine without Food Stamps
> before, but ours was a different economy then."
>
> The Churches handled welfare. We called it
> charity. Food Stamps were unnessasary.
>
> Now, the Feds do.
>
> A Church could turn you away for being a
> crackhead.
>
> The Feds don't.
>
> Welfare grows.
>
> The people, by the gov's design, have become less
> resposible for themselves.
>
> In turn, Welfare's needs grows.
>
> The Dems create their voter base.


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/03/19/bloomberg-strikes-again-nyc-bans-food-donations-to-the-homeless/

SoylentGreen ()

Too bad facts are created and spun for political gains, otherwise the internet would be a great resource.


Swing by a church and see how they work with the needy.

Then swing by the welfare office and see how they deal with the wanting.

Maybe film it with your iPhone and put it on youtube!

SoylentGreen Wrote:
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> http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/03/19/bloomberg-s
> trikes-again-nyc-bans-food-donations-to-the-homele
> ss/

This is another one of these news stories that you can find on 10,000 right-wing blogs. It must have been highlighted on some conservative talk-show host's show in the last week or something because the original news story was reported by the local CBS affiliate back in March.

The original story highlights the "salt intake" and the nutritional argument from the city about not taking food donations -- as if this is really a bad thing. Admittedly, Bloomberg is pushing some interesting policies in his city to say the least.

On the other hand, I can really understand why the city wouldn't want donations. Its the same reason why the Red Cross doesn't want canned goods and other donations after a disaster -- its a matter of logistics.

Food donations don't have any quality control. In addition, they don't have any quantity control. If you are going to run any sort of food preparation organization, whether retail or institutional, you have a certain number of resources -- labor, food prep space, storage space, dumpster space and the most important of all, time.

If you have 400 people to feed on a daily basis and you have a paid staff of say 20 people to do it, what would you rather have? A kitchen that relies on random donations or a steady supply from a supplier that you contract with?

If you are a kitchen with a staff of 20, would you like your food brought to you at random times during the day or at a set time every day? Would you like to be able to choose the quantity of food you receive? Would you like to be able to serve someone a balanced meal?

Let's say that you have your kitchen and someone comes and dumps 600 bagels in it. Or maybe just 50.

Or how about on Tuesdays you get 15 restaurants that donate food to you, but on Thursday you only get one local church that brings in canned goods.

All of this doesn't even go into the quality of the food being donated. Three-day-old bread or bruised tomatoes or rotten meat in a kitchen is more of a nuisance than something that would be appreciated. If you've ever worked in a restaurant you know that the fight against cleanliness and spoilage is a constant battle.

In people's minds they think that wasted food should be given to people who are hungry. This is what our mothers always told us -- that we should clean our plate because there are starving children in India. But this is a communist view of food distribution. The problem with communism was that it ignores the logic of an efficient distribution system.

Remember when there was the hurricane and Obama and Christie were walking the Jersey Shore together? Meanwhile Romney is collecting canned goods and supplies and loading them up in a truck in Ohio? Do you realize what was wrong with Romney's response? It wasn't the generosity of the people (even though it was a set up because Romney's campaign bought $5,000 worth of supplies). It was because this kind of response is totally inefficient! You have random canned goods mixed in with blankets and baby diapers. Look at the number of volunteers it took to load each of those rented trucks. Think of what kind of effort that would be on the other end of the process. Think of what an awful way that is to ship the goods across country versus the modern methods of palletized shipping using forklifts and good packaging. Its a complete waste of time and effort.

If you read all of the conservative blogs, there are hundreds of posts with righteous indignation that the government would "turn away food" or is snubbing religious donations. One person writes something and then 50 other people start ranting about the nanny state.

Once again, you have conservatives using poor and underprivileged to bash government services.

If religious organizations or a local charity wants to run a "soup kitchen" through handouts, that is fine. However if you want your tax money to be spent on providing a quality service, you should take a more managed approach. It is perfectly obvious to me that Bloomberg is making a good decision here and its a wonder why the city hadn't done it beforehand.

If you don't want food stamps, quit pushing for immigration amnesty or guest worker programs. Those push down wages at the lower end of the income scale and cause unemployment.

Ito Wrote:
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> SoylentGreen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/03/19/bloomberg-s
>
> >
> trikes-again-nyc-bans-food-donations-to-the-homele
>
> > ss/
>
> This is another one of these news stories that you
> can find on 10,000 right-wing blogs. It must have
> been highlighted on some conservative talk-show
> host's show in the last week or something because
> the original news story was reported by the local
> CBS affiliate back in March.
>
> The original story highlights the "salt intake"
> and the nutritional argument from the city about
> not taking food donations -- as if this is really
> a bad thing. Admittedly, Bloomberg is pushing some
> interesting policies in his city to say the
> least.
>
> On the other hand, I can really understand why the
> city wouldn't want donations. Its the same reason
> why the Red Cross doesn't want canned goods and
> other donations after a disaster -- its a matter
> of logistics.
>
> Food donations don't have any quality control. In
> addition, they don't have any quantity control. If
> you are going to run any sort of food preparation
> organization, whether retail or institutional, you
> have a certain number of resources -- labor, food
> prep space, storage space, dumpster space and the
> most important of all, time.
>
> If you have 400 people to feed on a daily basis
> and you have a paid staff of say 20 people to do
> it, what would you rather have? A kitchen that
> relies on random donations or a steady supply from
> a supplier that you contract with?
>
> If you are a kitchen with a staff of 20, would you
> like your food brought to you at random times
> during the day or at a set time every day? Would
> you like to be able to choose the quantity of food
> you receive? Would you like to be able to serve
> someone a balanced meal?
>
> Let's say that you have your kitchen and someone
> comes and dumps 600 bagels in it. Or maybe just
> 50.
>
> Or how about on Tuesdays you get 15 restaurants
> that donate food to you, but on Thursday you only
> get one local church that brings in canned goods.
>
>
> All of this doesn't even go into the quality of
> the food being donated. Three-day-old bread or
> bruised tomatoes or rotten meat in a kitchen is
> more of a nuisance than something that would be
> appreciated. If you've ever worked in a restaurant
> you know that the fight against cleanliness and
> spoilage is a constant battle.
>
> In people's minds they think that wasted food
> should be given to people who are hungry. This is
> what our mothers always told us -- that we should
> clean our plate because there are starving
> children in India. But this is a communist view of
> food distribution. The problem with communism was
> that it ignores the logic of an efficient
> distribution system.
>
> Remember when there was the hurricane and Obama
> and Christie were walking the Jersey Shore
> together? Meanwhile Romney is collecting canned
> goods and supplies and loading them up in a truck
> in Ohio? Do you realize what was wrong with
> Romney's response? It wasn't the generosity of the
> people (even though it was a set up because
> Romney's campaign bought $5,000 worth of
> supplies). It was because this kind of response is
> totally inefficient! You have random canned goods
> mixed in with blankets and baby diapers. Look at
> the number of volunteers it took to load each of
> those rented trucks. Think of what kind of effort
> that would be on the other end of the process.
> Think of what an awful way that is to ship the
> goods across country versus the modern methods of
> palletized shipping using forklifts and good
> packaging. Its a complete waste of time and
> effort.
>
> If you read all of the conservative blogs, there
> are hundreds of posts with righteous indignation
> that the government would "turn away food" or is
> snubbing religious donations. One person writes
> something and then 50 other people start ranting
> about the nanny state.
>
> Once again, you have conservatives using poor and
> underprivileged to bash government services.
>
> If religious organizations or a local charity
> wants to run a "soup kitchen" through handouts,
> that is fine. However if you want your tax money
> to be spent on providing a quality service, you
> should take a more managed approach. It is
> perfectly obvious to me that Bloomberg is making a
> good decision here and its a wonder why the city
> hadn't done it beforehand.

Holy Christ you talk a lot.

If Mussolini came to you and told you that Hitler was killing Jews.......would you discount him as a source? What is it with you and your ilk that you simply can't seem to accept a fact because of who told you that fact?

Further........do you believe in your heart that starving people on the street give a shit about salt and or how difficult it is to plan a soup kitchen?

Here's another "right winged blogger" for you to trash.


http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/11/nation/la-na-nn-homeless-feeding-bans-20120611

You need to spend some time living in a city I guess. It annoys the hell out of me every time I see someone give a "homeless" person a hand out on the street. They are well-meaning, but they are not helping. In fact they are encouraging bad behavior.

Rudy Giuliani cleaned up New York by starting the programs that Bloomberg runs now. Up until that time, NYC just let things run wild on the streets.

Its actually a conservative idea to professionally manage things like this. Read the full article you linked. Its about trying to take back public areas which have, up until now been overrun with homeless and other problems.

The homeless problem is really the result of closing all the state mental hospitals back in the early 1960s. It used to be that people with mental problems would be taken care of by the state, but now they're left to fend for themselves on the street.

This is not a totally bad thing, but every public policy decision has consequences.

just wondering Wrote:
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> How much can one get in food stamps here in VA?
>
> Also, how does one go about getting them?
>
> Do you simply have to prove that you're
> unemployed?
>
> How does it work?


Don't tell them you live with someone. tell them your alone and dont report income, tell them n o one helps you and

So what is the difference between food stamps and an EBT card? What is WIC then? Can you have food stamps and WIC?

eesh Wrote:
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> So what is the difference between food stamps and
> an EBT card? What is WIC then? Can you have food
> stamps and WIC?


There are no more food stamps, which were paper vouchers. It's all electronic now on EBT cards. The proper name for the program is SNAP - Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.

WIC is a separate program for pregnant women, infants, and children. You can receive both if you qualify for both.

"they are encouraging bad behavior"

Well put, Ito ().

+1

EBT is just a media for the transaction. I've seen people using voucher checks. With the check readers everywhere, they're both processed electronically.

The main beneficiary is the employers who lobby for cheap foreign labor to be let in with the government subsidizing their cost of employment. The collateral damage is to the many who compete for those types of jobs (young, old, uneducated, disabled, vets, etc.).

Remember to lie Wrote:
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> Don't tell them you live with someone. tell them
> your alone and dont report income, tell them n o
> one helps you and


OK, but won't they require ID? And when they run my license won't they discover that I filed a tax return?

Maybe I should get some phony ID and make up a phony address or something.

ApieceOfSocialistPie Wrote:
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> OK, but won't they require ID? And when they run
> my license won't they discover that I filed a tax
> return?
>
> Maybe I should get some phony ID and make up a
> phony address or something.

You probably don't want to do that. From the VA application form:

"The INCOME AND ELIGIBILITY VERIFICATION SYSTEM (IEVS) will also be
used to verify information. This system uses your SSN to verify wages and
salary, unemployment benefits, and unearned income by using records from
the Internal Revenue Service and the Social Security Administration.
The State Verification Exchange System (SVES) uses your SSN to verify
your receipt of social security and Supplement Security Income (SSI)
benefits. It is also used to verify quarters of coverage under Social Security,
if you are an alien. In addition, the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS)
will be used to verify the status of aliens. Any difference between the
information you give and these records will be investigated. Information
from these records may affect your eligibility and benefit amount. If a food stamp
claim arises against your household, the information on this application, including all
SSNs, may be referred to Federal and State agencies, as well as private claims
collection agencies, for claims collection action."

It's amazing how some people think everyone has the same potential despite not everyone having the same opportunities.

Food stamps and welfare are a necessary part of society, like it or not. How do you expect anyone to get ahead and improve their lot in life to the point where they DON'T need assistance if they can already barely afford food and rent? The idea that everyone receiving assistance is a lazy cheat is willful ignorance.

Not everyone was lucky enough to be born to the right family.

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> It's amazing how some people think everyone has
> the same potential despite not everyone having the
> same opportunities.
>
> Food stamps and welfare are a necessary part of
> society, like it or not. How do you expect anyone
> to get ahead and improve their lot in life to the
> point where they DON'T need assistance if they can
> already barely afford food and rent? The idea that
> everyone receiving assistance is a lazy cheat is
> willful ignorance.
>
> Not everyone was lucky enough to be born to the
> right family.

Don't you mean that not everyone was lucky enough to be born INTO a family?

Most of the kids on welfare would love any kind of family.

Kids don't need a lot of shit but they do need to be loved.

So, stuff it.

blah, blah, blah Wrote:
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> Don't you mean that not everyone was lucky enough
> to be born INTO a family?
>
> Most of the kids on welfare would love any kind of
> family.
>
> Kids don't need a lot of shit but they do need to
> be loved.
>
> So, stuff it.

... What the hell are you talking about?

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> blah, blah, blah Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Don't you mean that not everyone was lucky
> enough
> > to be born INTO a family?
> >
> > Most of the kids on welfare would love any kind
> of
> > family.
> >
> > Kids don't need a lot of shit but they do need
> to
> > be loved.
> >
> > So, stuff it.
>
> ... What the hell are you talking about?

come here, let me give you a hug.

Alias Wrote:
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> I support ending the food stamp program.
>
> Are you with me?