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Smoke pot legally in Washington and Colorado
Posted by:
Good News
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Date: November 07, 2012 11:38AM
Colorado’s Amendment 64 will allow adults over 21 to possess up to an ounce of marijuana, though using the drug publicly would be banned. The amendment would allow people to grow up to six marijuana plants in a private, secure area.
Washington’s measure establishes a system of state-licensed marijuana growers, processors and stores, where adults can buy up to an ounce. It also establishes a standard blood test limit for driving under the influence.
The Washington measure was notable for its sponsors and supporters, who ranged from public health experts and wealthy high-tech executives to two former top Justice Department’s officials in Seattle, U.S. Attorneys John McKay and Kate Pflaumer.
Washington’s measure establishes a system of state-licensed marijuana growers, processors and stores, where adults can buy up to an ounce. It also establishes a standard blood test limit for driving under the influence.
The Washington measure was notable for its sponsors and supporters, who ranged from public health experts and wealthy high-tech executives to two former top Justice Department’s officials in Seattle, U.S. Attorneys John McKay and Kate Pflaumer.
Re: Smoke pot legally in Washington and Colorado
Posted by:
Kilo
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Date: November 07, 2012 12:19PM
Here's a picture of Seattle residents celebrating the legalization of Marijuana in Washington State.
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Re: Smoke pot legally in Washington and Colorado
Posted by:
33EVy
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Date: November 07, 2012 12:49PM
Actually, it is still not Legal - only on the state level, which in reality means nothing when it is a federal crime.
60 Minutes did a cool piece about the Fed verse State thing on one of their shows.
60 Minutes did a cool piece about the Fed verse State thing on one of their shows.
Re: Smoke pot legally in Washington and Colorado
Posted by:
Blazer
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Date: November 07, 2012 01:15PM
So, does this mean all of the NBA free-agent potheads will be flocking to the Denver Nuggets? Can the NBA enforce a substance abuse policy that is stricter than what state laws allow?
Re: Smoke pot legally in Washington and Colorado
Posted by:
the grammar police
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Date: November 07, 2012 01:15PM
Is there really a blood test that can say "He was REALLY HIGH when he was driving"?
Re: Smoke pot legally in Washington and Colorado
Posted by:
the grammar police
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Date: November 07, 2012 01:16PM
Blazer Wrote:
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> So, does this mean all of the NBA free-agent
> potheads will be flocking to the Denver Nuggets?
> Can the NBA enforce a substance abuse policy that
> is stricter than what state laws allow?
The Nuggets is an ironic term in a state with legalized marijuana.
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> So, does this mean all of the NBA free-agent
> potheads will be flocking to the Denver Nuggets?
> Can the NBA enforce a substance abuse policy that
> is stricter than what state laws allow?
The Nuggets is an ironic term in a state with legalized marijuana.
Re: Smoke pot legally in Washington and Colorado
Posted by:
Bill.N.
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Date: November 07, 2012 01:17PM
The relevance is that most "retail" drug arrests are done by state and local cops.
Re: Smoke pot legally in Washington and Colorado
Posted by:
Ethiopian Man
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Date: November 07, 2012 02:08PM
Don't bask on this success. As another poster said it here, it's illegal under federal law, and the feds could come in anytime and bust you. They could also shut down growers. Remember, possessing and growing is still crime under federal law, and from what i now about the law, Federal laws supersede state laws.
For those of you calling for MJ to be legalized, a study after study has confirmed MJ is a gateway drug to other more dangerous drugs. i bet you people would change your tune real quick when you see kids doing Meth, Heroine, and other more dangerous drugs. CO and WA are two liberal/drug heaven states....big deal. As long as it's in most states (including VA, and i dont see them becoming legal anytime soon) this is not a big deal. If only my dope head cousin who is a failure in life would move there.
For those of you calling for MJ to be legalized, a study after study has confirmed MJ is a gateway drug to other more dangerous drugs. i bet you people would change your tune real quick when you see kids doing Meth, Heroine, and other more dangerous drugs. CO and WA are two liberal/drug heaven states....big deal. As long as it's in most states (including VA, and i dont see them becoming legal anytime soon) this is not a big deal. If only my dope head cousin who is a failure in life would move there.
Re: Smoke pot legally in Washington and Colorado
Posted by:
Ito
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Date: November 07, 2012 02:19PM
Alcohol is a gateway drug. Cigarettes are a gateway drug. Prescription painkillers are a gateway drug. This is an irrelevant argument when there are millions of people already making and taking the drug illegally.
Its time to end prohibition. Its time to empty our jails of the 2 million people who are held on drug charges. Its time to have a drug policy that focuses on addiction instead of incarceration.
Its time to end prohibition. Its time to empty our jails of the 2 million people who are held on drug charges. Its time to have a drug policy that focuses on addiction instead of incarceration.
Re: Smoke pot legally in Washington and Colorado
Posted by:
Neanderthal Man
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Date: November 07, 2012 02:46PM
Ethiopian Man Wrote:
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> Don't bask on this success. As another poster said
> it here, it's illegal under federal law, and the
> feds could come in anytime and bust you. They
> could also shut down growers. Remember, possessing
> and growing is still crime under federal law, and
> from what i now about the law, Federal laws
> supersede state laws.
The feds are not going to go into some neighborhood in Denver and start raiding homes looking for people possessing 1 ounce of marijuana. Get real.
Also, the raids on growers and sellers by federal agents require cooperation from local authorities. Especially when it comes to locking up the people they arrest on those raids. This will make it much more difficult to get that cooperation.
>
> For those of you calling for MJ to be legalized, a
> study after study has confirmed MJ is a gateway
> drug to other more dangerous drugs.
Which studies? There are also studies that claim that viewing pornography leads to violence against women. But those studies used data from people incarcerated for violence against women asking whether they had viewed pornography x number of years prior to their conviction for a violent act against women, and surprise surprise, an overwhelming majority answered yes.
The logic that Marijuana is a gateway drug is based upon the idea that people who use harder drugs "started with" marijuana. This is a misleading and wrongly correlated statistic. There are many people who started using those harder drugs without first trying marijuana. The studies did not consider other "gateways" that people may have been introduced to prior to marijuana (huffing paint, gas or other fumes and other household intoxicants, for example). And it ignores the overwhelming number of people who smoke marijuana and NEVER used any other "drug".
Following the logic of the gateway to its extreme, one could argue that mother's milk is a gateway drug because an overwhelming number of drug users were breast-fed as infants.
> i bet you people would change your tune real quick when you
> see kids doing Meth, Heroine, and other more
> dangerous drugs.
No. I would also have to change my tune real quick when I saw kids abusing alcohol.
None of the laws decriminalizing or legalizing marijuana do so for people under 18, and some raise the age to 21.
> CO and WA are two liberal/drug
> heaven states....big deal. As long as it's in
> most states (including VA, and i dont see them
> becoming legal anytime soon) this is not a big
> deal. If only my dope head cousin who is a failure
> in life would move there.
Your failure in life cousin is also a dope head. But there are many "dope heads" who lead very productive lives. Sorry about your loser cousin.
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> Don't bask on this success. As another poster said
> it here, it's illegal under federal law, and the
> feds could come in anytime and bust you. They
> could also shut down growers. Remember, possessing
> and growing is still crime under federal law, and
> from what i now about the law, Federal laws
> supersede state laws.
The feds are not going to go into some neighborhood in Denver and start raiding homes looking for people possessing 1 ounce of marijuana. Get real.
Also, the raids on growers and sellers by federal agents require cooperation from local authorities. Especially when it comes to locking up the people they arrest on those raids. This will make it much more difficult to get that cooperation.
>
> For those of you calling for MJ to be legalized, a
> study after study has confirmed MJ is a gateway
> drug to other more dangerous drugs.
Which studies? There are also studies that claim that viewing pornography leads to violence against women. But those studies used data from people incarcerated for violence against women asking whether they had viewed pornography x number of years prior to their conviction for a violent act against women, and surprise surprise, an overwhelming majority answered yes.
The logic that Marijuana is a gateway drug is based upon the idea that people who use harder drugs "started with" marijuana. This is a misleading and wrongly correlated statistic. There are many people who started using those harder drugs without first trying marijuana. The studies did not consider other "gateways" that people may have been introduced to prior to marijuana (huffing paint, gas or other fumes and other household intoxicants, for example). And it ignores the overwhelming number of people who smoke marijuana and NEVER used any other "drug".
Following the logic of the gateway to its extreme, one could argue that mother's milk is a gateway drug because an overwhelming number of drug users were breast-fed as infants.
> i bet you people would change your tune real quick when you
> see kids doing Meth, Heroine, and other more
> dangerous drugs.
No. I would also have to change my tune real quick when I saw kids abusing alcohol.
None of the laws decriminalizing or legalizing marijuana do so for people under 18, and some raise the age to 21.
> CO and WA are two liberal/drug
> heaven states....big deal. As long as it's in
> most states (including VA, and i dont see them
> becoming legal anytime soon) this is not a big
> deal. If only my dope head cousin who is a failure
> in life would move there.
Your failure in life cousin is also a dope head. But there are many "dope heads" who lead very productive lives. Sorry about your loser cousin.
Re: Smoke pot legally in Washington and Colorado
Posted by:
Lester
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Date: November 07, 2012 02:49PM
If it's legal, then more people will stop at marijuana. Once you step over the legal boundary, the inhibition drops considerably.
The state will regulate the commerce for small-time marijuana use. The feds won't waste their time on people who are obviously possessing pot for personal use.
The state will regulate the commerce for small-time marijuana use. The feds won't waste their time on people who are obviously possessing pot for personal use.
Re: Smoke pot legally in Washington and Colorado
Posted by:
Hank Moody
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Date: November 07, 2012 03:20PM
Ethiopian Man Wrote:
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> Don't bask on this success. As another poster said
> it here, it's illegal under federal law, and the
> feds could come in anytime and bust you. They
> could also shut down growers. Remember, possessing
> and growing is still crime under federal law, and
> from what i now about the law, Federal laws
> supersede state laws.
Sorry, you're wrong. State laws trump Federal laws.
Yes, it is still illegal under the Controlled Substances Act. If the DEA wants to exhaust its investigative resources going after every resident of Washington or Colorado with five plants in their closet or an ounce of weed in their underwear drawer they'll quickly have to give up going after cocaine and methamphetamine traffic. To take such an approach would be a huge civil liberties and PR nightmare.
> For those of you calling for MJ to be legalized, a
> study after study has confirmed MJ is a gateway
> drug to other more dangerous drugs. i bet you
> people would change your tune real quick when you
> see kids doing Meth, Heroine, and other more
> dangerous drugs. CO and WA are two liberal/drug
> heaven states....big deal. As long as it's in
> most states (including VA, and i dont see them
> becoming legal anytime soon) this is not a big
> deal. If only my dope head cousin who is a failure
> in life would move there.
Yeah, cuz just about every kid older than 14 or 15 doesn't already know exactly where to score a gram of some dank on the completely unregulated black market.
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> Don't bask on this success. As another poster said
> it here, it's illegal under federal law, and the
> feds could come in anytime and bust you. They
> could also shut down growers. Remember, possessing
> and growing is still crime under federal law, and
> from what i now about the law, Federal laws
> supersede state laws.
Sorry, you're wrong. State laws trump Federal laws.
Yes, it is still illegal under the Controlled Substances Act. If the DEA wants to exhaust its investigative resources going after every resident of Washington or Colorado with five plants in their closet or an ounce of weed in their underwear drawer they'll quickly have to give up going after cocaine and methamphetamine traffic. To take such an approach would be a huge civil liberties and PR nightmare.
> For those of you calling for MJ to be legalized, a
> study after study has confirmed MJ is a gateway
> drug to other more dangerous drugs. i bet you
> people would change your tune real quick when you
> see kids doing Meth, Heroine, and other more
> dangerous drugs. CO and WA are two liberal/drug
> heaven states....big deal. As long as it's in
> most states (including VA, and i dont see them
> becoming legal anytime soon) this is not a big
> deal. If only my dope head cousin who is a failure
> in life would move there.
Yeah, cuz just about every kid older than 14 or 15 doesn't already know exactly where to score a gram of some dank on the completely unregulated black market.
Re: Smoke pot legally in Washington and Colorado
Posted by:
Denver Nuggets
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Date: November 07, 2012 03:32PM
Blazer Wrote:
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> Can the NBA enforce a substance abuse policy that
> is stricter than what state laws allow?
Yes.
(6) Employers, driving, minors and control of property.
(a) Nothing in this section is intended to require an employer to permit or accommodate the use, consumption, possession, transfer, display, transportation, sale or growing of marijuana in the workplace or to affect the ability of employers to have policies restricting the use of marijuana by employees.
In other words, just like you can tell your employees they can't smoke tobacco or drink alcohol, you can also tell them they can't smoke marijuana.
It's a shame, because watching a bunch of guys blazed out of their minds trying to play professional basketball would probably be quite entertaining.
http://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/elections/Initiatives/titleBoard/filings/2011-2012/30Final.pdf
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> Can the NBA enforce a substance abuse policy that
> is stricter than what state laws allow?
Yes.
(6) Employers, driving, minors and control of property.
(a) Nothing in this section is intended to require an employer to permit or accommodate the use, consumption, possession, transfer, display, transportation, sale or growing of marijuana in the workplace or to affect the ability of employers to have policies restricting the use of marijuana by employees.
In other words, just like you can tell your employees they can't smoke tobacco or drink alcohol, you can also tell them they can't smoke marijuana.
It's a shame, because watching a bunch of guys blazed out of their minds trying to play professional basketball would probably be quite entertaining.
http://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/elections/Initiatives/titleBoard/filings/2011-2012/30Final.pdf
Re: Smoke pot legally in Washington and Colorado
Posted by:
Meade's Hillbilly Cousin
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Date: November 07, 2012 03:37PM
Blazer Wrote:
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> So, does this mean all of the NBA free-agent
> potheads will be flocking to the Denver Nuggets?
> Can the NBA enforce a substance abuse policy that
> is stricter than what state laws allow?
The NBA can have any type of drug policy it wants.
-------------------------------------------------------
> So, does this mean all of the NBA free-agent
> potheads will be flocking to the Denver Nuggets?
> Can the NBA enforce a substance abuse policy that
> is stricter than what state laws allow?
The NBA can have any type of drug policy it wants.