I'm confused...did this actually happen? Or is it all complete bullshit? If it happened, why haven't they continued the research? If it's bullshit, how do yo keep the bullshit going for this long?

It's bullshit

 

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Eesh also believes in witches and fairies.

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One of those, at least.

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More like both.

That Alias that posts here proves that witches exist.


That Eli that posts here proves that fairies exist.

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Hehehe, that was a good one

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment#Timeline_inconsistencies


Didn't happen. Unless you think maybe the Navy falsified ship logs to hide this super-secret project.

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I'm not saying you're wrong...but, you're posting a link to Wikipedia as a means of ending this thread?

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Wikipedia is quite accurate. The only people who attempt to discredit Wikipedia have an agenda that doesn't match up well with reality.

Sure, jokers and jackasses can post some silly stuff on there from time to time, but it gets corrected pretty fast through the crowdsource.

Ok, I'm not sure if you're trying to stir the pot here or what but, I'm game...

You are of course entitled to your own OPINION about Wikipedia but, I would like to add that after 4 years of undergraduate work and 2 years of graduate work I have yet to meet a college professor who would permit me to cite a wikipedia page as a source. I have, of course, cited sources other than wikipedia which are indeed later corroborated by wikipedia so, while I would not say that wikipedia is unreliable...it is inconsistent as a singular source.

Now then, let's take the points of your link one by one...and I take no position on the Philadelphia Experiment. If it is a hoax, I don't understand why it's still being perpetuated as having happened and if it did happen, why is it still being perpetuated as a hoax?

"The USS Eldridge was not commissioned until August 27, 1943, and it remained in port in New York City until September 1943. The October experiment allegedly took place while the ship was on its first shakedown cruise in the Bahamas, although proponents of the story claim that the ship's logs might have been falsified, or else still be classified."

Why would the US Navy want to put itself in the position of admitting the Eldridge was ever in Philadelphia? Wikipedia's statement itself says the logs could have been falsified or classified.

The Office of Naval Research (ONR) stated in September 1996, "ONR has never conducted investigations on radar invisibility, either in 1943 or at any other time." Pointing out that the ONR was not established until 1946, it denounces the accounts of "The Philadelphia Experiment" as complete "science fiction."

Again, by taking a position of the ONR was not operational until after the Philadelphia Experiment is believed to have taken place, the US Navy increases their plausible deniability quotient. There have been, are and will be many offices, departments and units which the US Government either never admits nor will ever admit existed or in the case of the ONR when it began its existence.

A reunion of navy veterans who had served aboard the USS Eldridge told a Philadelphia newspaper in April 1999 that their ship had never made port in Philadelphia.[18] Further evidence discounting the Philadelphia Experiment timeline comes from the USS Eldridge’s complete World War II action report, including the remarks section of the 1943 deck log, available on microfilm.

Well, according to published accounts of the Philadelphia Experiment there were sailors on board who were simply vaporized. Did all of the sailors at this above-stated reunion give a statement to the press? Were all of them at the reunion ALSO on board during the time the Philadelphia Experiment is believed to have taken place? And again, the deck log and action report especially in the age of 1943 could be easily forged, erased, adjusted, changed, or falsified.

I'm not trying to stir the pot.

If your professors don't want Wikipedia cited as the primary source, that's probably a reasonable rule, but it doesn't prove the accuracy or inaccuracy of it.

As far as all the points that you question, you haven't shown that they are inaccurate, only that the source material being cited could be suspect.

Whether or not the US Navy might falsify ships' logs is not an indictment against Wikipedia. Any source that uses the Navy as a reference would have to be equally suspect, and deemed inaccurate.

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And just so I'm clear...not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Given the kind of work I'd like to pursue...my professors have said my potential employer would also likely not accept Wikipedia as a source so, they're trying to prepare me for the real world.

> As far as all the points that you question, you
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I probably sound like I'm splitting hairs here but...I'm not attempting to prove the Philadelphia Experiment happened. I supposing about the POSSIBILITY of it having happened. I'll keep a lookout but the likelihood of finding someone at this point who can provide a first person account of the Philadelphia Experiment with the same enthusiasm as those saying it didn't or couldn't is indeed miniscule at best.

> Whether or not the US Navy might falsify ships'
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You have me there...how does one prove something (a ship's log in this case) was falsified? Even if the real log from the Eldridge showing it was indeed in Philadelphia at the time of the experiment turns up how does anyone know which log is real?

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Depends on how bored you are at the time, I guess.



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It probably isn't a good place to cite, other than on internet forums.

It's kind of like the requirement to cite peer-reviewed studies, as opposed to listening to a professional in that field tell you his experience.




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> but...I'm not attempting to prove the Philadelphia
> Experiment happened. I supposing about the
> POSSIBILITY of it having happened. I'll keep a
> lookout but the likelihood of finding someone at
> this point who can provide a first person account
> of the Philadelphia Experiment with the same
> enthusiasm as those saying it didn't or couldn't
> is indeed miniscule at best.


Just going on how the government operates, and how government tech is usually about 10 years ahead of commercial tech, I think it is safe to say we would have seen released documents by now, and examples of the purported technology they were supposed to be after, in commercial products.

Besides, just look at the Have Blue research. It is all passive radar stealth, I don't believe they have any active technology in any of the stealth aircraft in use. There would be some kind of example of something they would have discovered in any research they would have done on the Eldridge.



> You have me there...how does one prove something
> (a ship's log in this case) was falsified? Even if
> the real log from the Eldridge showing it was
> indeed in Philadelphia at the time of the
> experiment turns up how does anyone know which log
> is real?


I would assume there is only one version of the log. If the navy wanted to falsify it, they wouldn't keep a "real" version, they'd just order people to write down whatever they wanted to be written down.

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Blessed be.