Car was parked outside my house on an off the beaten path street. Ticket cites code 82-5-19 "Parked with For Sale Sign - Prohibited Purpose". The law is real. I am going to pay this ticket. Just feel bad for the old folks who sell cars like this and don't use CL/Autotrader. I don't know if I want to take a day off work and schedule a time to speak to the FFX cty board. Never even done it before. Ticket was a shock so I thought I'd get the word out in case you ever want to sell a car using traditional methods.

You don't need to take a day off from work to tak to the Fairfax City Board, loser. Nice try with your sympathy fishing pole though... If you want to talk to the board, write them a letter, email, fax, send the letter via bike messenger or drop it off yourself.

You feel bad for the old folks who don't use CL or Autotrader? Does this mean we should feel bad for you since you also chose NOT to use these services?

This is 2012. Selling a car by traditional methods? Um yeah...that means using CL/Autotrader now. NON-traditional is currently the "For Sale" sign...ticket or not.

What a stupid fucking post...

Next time? Just leave it at, "Hey, I got a ticket for trying to sell a vehicle with a For Sale sign on the street in front of my house. The code is 82-5-19. I wasn't aware of this...maybe you weren't either." That's it. Done. That's all you have to do. Spare us all of your emotional bullshit and random ponderings there, Ace...

Ackmed Wrote:
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> You don't need to take a day off from work to tak
> to the Fairfax City Board, loser. Nice try with
> your sympathy fishing pole though... If you want
> to talk to the board, write them a letter, email,
> fax, send the letter via bike messenger or drop it
> off yourself.
>
> You feel bad for the old folks who don't use CL or
> Autotrader? Does this mean we should feel bad for
> you since you also chose NOT to use these
> services?
>
> This is 2012. Selling a car by traditional
> methods? Um yeah...that means using CL/Autotrader
> now. NON-traditional is currently the "For Sale"
> sign...ticket or not.
>
> What a stupid fucking post...
>
> Next time? Just leave it at, "Hey, I got a ticket
> for trying to sell a vehicle with a For Sale sign
> on the street in front of my house. The code is
> 82-5-19. I wasn't aware of this...maybe you
> weren't either." That's it. Done. That's all you
> have to do. Spare us all of your emotional
> bullshit and random ponderings there, Ace...


Ackmed (piss be up on you), why so mad? Did someone piss in your breakfast this morning or did you catch someone fucking your whore momma in the ass without using any lube?

MJPeterson Wrote:
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> Car was parked outside my house on an off the
> beaten path street. Ticket cites code 82-5-19
> "Parked with For Sale Sign - Prohibited Purpose".
> The law is real. I am going to pay this ticket.
> Just feel bad for the old folks who sell cars like
> this and don't use CL/Autotrader. I don't know if
> I want to take a day off work and schedule a time
> to speak to the FFX cty board. Never even done it
> before. Ticket was a shock so I thought I'd get
> the word out in case you ever want to sell a car
> using traditional methods.

That is kinda lame. I guess I can see why they wouldn't want cars parked all over for sale, but a simple sign as you describe it doesn't seem like the intended purpose of the law. In any case, I wasn't aware either.

Some shitbag parked his broken down Altima behind my car on the street one time, with the rear of the car all out in the street, and then stuck a for sale sign in the windshield. I called that bitch with the number on the sign and told him if it wasnt moved in two hours, I would call the police. 10 minutes later a car-full of hispanics showed up and tried jumping it, and when that failed, they put it in neutral and pushed it down the street. I was LOLing from my window the whole time.

The fine went up, it was $40 when they caught me a few years ago. I paid it, but I had no idea it was against the law.

Next time I'll park it on the grass on MY property.

In times past you didnt need the law. Now you have mexicans and arabs turning streets into used car lots. Now go celebrate the diversity.

Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
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> Some shitbag parked his broken down Altima behind
> my car on the street one time, with the rear of
> the car all out in the street, and then stuck a
> for sale sign in the windshield. I called that
> bitch with the number on the sign and told him if
> it wasnt moved in two hours, I would call the
> police. 10 minutes later a car-full of hispanics
> showed up and tried jumping it, and when that
> failed, they put it in neutral and pushed it down
> the street. I was LOLing from my window the whole
> time.


You should have recorded it with your cell phone camera. I would have laughed my ass off at that video.

I have you now.

TheNorthman Wrote:
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> Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Some shitbag parked his broken down Altima
> behind
> > my car on the street one time, with the rear of
> > the car all out in the street, and then stuck a
> > for sale sign in the windshield. I called that
> > bitch with the number on the sign and told him
> if
> > it wasnt moved in two hours, I would call the
> > police. 10 minutes later a car-full of
> hispanics
> > showed up and tried jumping it, and when that
> > failed, they put it in neutral and pushed it
> down
> > the street. I was LOLing from my window the
> whole
> > time.
>
>
> You should have recorded it with your cell phone
> camera. I would have laughed my ass off at that
> video.


Damn, I never thought of that.

doot Wrote:
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> The fine went up, it was $40 when they caught me a
> few years ago. I paid it, but I had no idea it
> was against the law.
>
> Next time I'll park it on the grass on MY
> property.

You can not park cars on the grass in FFX county. They must be on a solid surface to keep any oil from leaching in the ground.

We tend to buy cars......

Grassy McGee Wrote:
>
> You can not park cars on the grass in FFX county.
> They must be on a solid surface to keep any oil
> from leaching in the ground.

Grassy is right. It must be on a paved surface. We a ticket for having one parked in the grass next to the driveway. The county is really hurting for money. In June they went around Pimmit Hills and at least two other neighborhoods and found many obscure things to ticket for at $50.00 a pop. That should have helped the fiscal year figures since the tickets are due in 21 days. The part I got the biggest kick out of was that you using the envelope that was put with the thicke the payemnt is mailed to Maryland

Grassy McGee Wrote:
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> You can not park cars on the grass in FFX county.
> They must be on a solid surface to keep any oil
> from leaching in the ground.

then the county could make a fortune if they ticketed all the cars in Springfield parked on lawns. But probably off limits. Wouldnt want to upset Bulovas constituents.

They also changed the "commercial" vehicle law July a year ago. No more enclosed trailers or vehicles over 21 feet long unless it's an rv or a boat. I got a $125 parking ticket for parking my enclosed trailer in front of my house.

Bastards, I should park my 32 foot motor home on the street just so I can say FU

MJPeterson Wrote:
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> Car was parked outside my house on an off the
> beaten path street. Ticket cites code 82-5-19
> "Parked with For Sale Sign - Prohibited Purpose".
> The law is real. I am going to pay this ticket.
> Just feel bad for the old folks who sell cars like
> this and don't use CL/Autotrader. I don't know if
> I want to take a day off work and schedule a time
> to speak to the FFX cty board. Never even done it
> before. Ticket was a shock so I thought I'd get
> the word out in case you ever want to sell a car
> using traditional methods.


i dont think you were just parking it in front of your house. also, seems you didnt check it on a daily basis as you would have seen the warning.

if these are not the case then there is something wrong with the situation and someone's got some splaining to do.


http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-1508.2

Quote

Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any law-enforcement officer or agency, local zoning official, or the owner or lessee of any real property upon which a vehicle is displayed or parked in violation of this section for longer than 48 consecutive hours after a notice on a form approved by the Board has been affixed or placed on the vehicle by a law-enforcement officer or agency, Board representative, local zoning official, or the owner or lessee of the real property upon which the vehicle is displayed or parked, may have any such vehicle towed from such real property and stored at the expense of the owner or lessee of such vehicle and may then dispose of such vehicle as provided in § 46.2-1203.

"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Gravis Wrote:
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> MJPeterson Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Car was parked outside my house on an off the
> > beaten path street. Ticket cites code 82-5-19
> > "Parked with For Sale Sign - Prohibited
> Purpose".
> > The law is real. I am going to pay this ticket.
>
> > Just feel bad for the old folks who sell cars
> like
> > this and don't use CL/Autotrader. I don't know
> if
> > I want to take a day off work and schedule a
> time
> > to speak to the FFX cty board. Never even done
> it
> > before. Ticket was a shock so I thought I'd
> get
> > the word out in case you ever want to sell a
> car
> > using traditional methods.
>
>
> i dont think you were just parking it in front of
> your house. also, seems you didnt check it on a
> daily basis as you would have seen the warning.
>
> if these are not the case then there is something
> wrong with the situation and someone's got some
> splaining to do.
>
>
> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+co
> d+46.2-1508.2
>

Quote

Notwithstanding any other provision of law,
> any law-enforcement officer or agency, local
> zoning official, or the owner or lessee of any
> real property upon which a vehicle is displayed or
> parked in violation of this section for longer
> than 48 consecutive hours after a notice on a form
> approved by the Board has been affixed or placed
> on the vehicle by a law-enforcement officer or
> agency, Board representative, local zoning
> official, or the owner or lessee of the real
> property upon which the vehicle is displayed or
> parked, may have any such vehicle towed from such
> real property and stored at the expense of the
> owner or lessee of such vehicle and may then
> dispose of such vehicle as provided in §
> 46.2-1203.

They don't always do that. I had one towed while disabled with no warning. Somebody hit it in front of my house and I had to leave it there for the insurance inspector. After I bitched, they did let it go without charging the tow and impound fees but still was a pain in the ass.

Grassy McGee Wrote:
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> doot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The fine went up, it was $40 when they caught me
> a
> > few years ago. I paid it, but I had no idea it
> > was against the law.
> >
> > Next time I'll park it on the grass on MY
> > property.
>
> You can not park cars on the grass in FFX county.
> They must be on a solid surface to keep any oil
> from leaching in the ground.

Okay, I'll park it in my driveway. Then the leaked oil will run down the concrete and then leach into the ground.

You can thank the mexicans for these type of laws. We never needed them when people had some class. You didnt need someone telling you not to park beaters all over public streets in varying states of repair. You didnt need county workers running around counting the fifteen plus people in one home.
You didnt need a chunk of the school budget to go to free things and ESL.
All this diversity celebrating comes at a price.

> i dont think you were just parking it in front of
> your house. also, seems you didnt check it on a
> daily basis as you would have seen the warning.
>
> if these are not the case then there is something
> wrong with the situation and someone's got some
> splaining to do.
>
>
> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+co
> d+46.2-1508.2
>

Quote

Notwithstanding any other provision of law,
> any law-enforcement officer or agency, local
> zoning official, or the owner or lessee of any
> real property upon which a vehicle is displayed or
> parked in violation of this section for longer
> than 48 consecutive hours after a notice on a form
> approved by the Board has been affixed or placed
> on the vehicle by a law-enforcement officer or
> agency, Board representative, local zoning
> official, or the owner or lessee of the real
> property upon which the vehicle is displayed or
> parked, may have any such vehicle towed from such
> real property and stored at the expense of the
> owner or lessee of such vehicle and may then
> dispose of such vehicle as provided in §
> 46.2-1203.

Yeah unfortunately, they didn't give me a warning. It was indeed parked in front of the house except when I'm at work (I use the car daily). Car had/has valid registration/plates, state and emissions inspections and insurance too. I had the signs on it for about a month and a half before I got the ticket too. I think the guy just spotted it while he was driving by. Lucky me I guess lol.

Go to pwc. White ppl have shitty yards too. And they are white. There is a low population of "mexicans". This is little el Salvador you racists . All white people come from germany and they are nazi , rednecks. ALL whites are nazis and hitler cousins. And the cause for world problems. And you regulars whites . The govt don't care about you lol. Y'all stuck with us beaners and blacks cuz y'all white trash and the white elite laugh at ur middle class asses cuz y'all are surrounded by spicsssssss

White ppl smell like cheese Wrote:
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> Go to pwc. White ppl have shitty yards too. And
> they are white. There is a low population of
> "mexicans". This is little el Salvador you
> racists . All white people come from germany and
> they are nazi , rednecks. ALL whites are nazis
> and hitler cousins. And the cause for world
> problems. And you regulars whites . The govt
> don't care about you lol. Y'all stuck with us
> beaners and blacks cuz y'all white trash and the
> white elite laugh at ur middle class asses cuz
> y'all are surrounded by spicsssssss

Everything you say is true.

Good observations.

one of your neighbors probay called and ratted you out. Those laws are written to keep folks from cluttering the 'hood with urban blight.

Neighbor Wrote:
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> one of your neighbors probay called and ratted you
> out. Those laws are written to keep folks from
> cluttering the 'hood with urban blight.

Was thinking the same thing later.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/13/2012 03:24PM by MJPeterson.

After weighing the option of potentially spending hours of time and court costs versus just paying $50 for it, I have contested it. After navigating through the circular phone menu for 4-5 minutes and a 15-20 minute wait time (they called me back), the operator tried hard to get me not to contest it. She mentioned I would be paying an additional $75-$100 in court costs and if I was sure I wanted to do that. They will now mail me an affidavit which I have to fill out and mail back to them within 10 days. When she took down my address, she did not get the whole thing before stating that I'd get the affidavit within 10 days. I hope it arrives in the mail. She asked why I was contesting it to which I replied that the code says they should give a warning ticket. She replied, "You don't get warnings for parking tickets". I just said I'm going by what the code said (thank you Gravis). In a really reluctant tone she said "Well ok, I'll note that on here".

Here is my guess: The system is definitely contracted out, they called me back from a number in Wisconsin. They must be paid on how many potential disputes they turn away or the opposite, they get paid a certain contract amount and the costs for scheduling the dispute, they pay for.

In other jurisdictions, they have dropped the tickets for different reasons. Some people have argued that it's a violation of their first amendment right to free speech, others have argued provisions in their law in their specific jurisdiction. In some places, if it is parked outside your house then a ticket/tow does not stand "for the original intent of the law". I didn't see anything about that in our code but I will continue to research.

MJPeterson Wrote:
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> After weighing the option of potentially spending
> hours of time and court costs versus just paying
> $50 for it, I have contested it. After navigating
> through the circular phone menu for 4-5 minutes
> and a 15-20 minute wait time (they called me
> back), the operator tried hard to get me not to
> contest it. She mentioned I would be paying an
> additional $75-$100 in court costs and if I was
> sure I wanted to do that. They will now mail me
> an affidavit which I have to fill out and mail
> back to them within 10 days. When she took down
> my address, she did not get the whole thing before
> stating that I'd get the affidavit within 10 days.
> I hope it arrives in the mail. She asked why I
> was contesting it to which I replied that the code
> says they should give a warning ticket. She
> replied, "You don't get warnings for parking
> tickets". I just said I'm going by what the code
> said (thank you Gravis). In a really reluctant
> tone she said "Well ok, I'll note that on here".
>
> Here is my guess: The system is definitely
> contracted out, they called me back from a number
> in Wisconsin. They must be paid on how many
> potential disputes they turn away or the opposite,
> they get paid a certain contract amount and the
> costs for scheduling the dispute, they pay for.
>
> In other jurisdictions, they have dropped the
> tickets for different reasons. Some people have
> argued that it's a violation of their first
> amendment right to free speech, others have argued
> provisions in their law in their specific
> jurisdiction. In some places, if it is parked
> outside your house then a ticket/tow does not
> stand "for the original intent of the law". I
> didn't see anything about that in our code but I
> will continue to research.


Maybe you should read the code you are cited under. It does not require a 48 hour warning to give you a ticket. Read the whole code for what somebody else claims is a 48hr warning. Also you were cited under the county code and not the state code. The state code has no affect on the county code. But hey...good luck in court.

The county code says the following:

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person:
(1) To park or place any automobile, truck, trailer or other vehicle upon or in any street, alley or parkway for the purpose of selling or offering the same for sale or rent;
(2) To attach or place any sign or lettering upon any automobile, truck, trailer or other vehicle parked in or upon any public street, alley or parkway indicating that such vehicle is offered for sale or for rent;
(3) To park any vehicle from which any merchandise is being sold upon any street in a business district;
(4) To stop a vehicle at any time upon the highway for the purpose of advertising any article of any kind, or to display thereupon advertisements of any article or advertisement for the sale of the vehicle itself. (3-13-69; 1961 Code, § 16-123.)

You are correct, there is no mention of a 48 hour warning in the county code.

Has anyone ever bought a car that had a "for sale" sign on it (besides a beaner)?

MJPeterson Wrote:

> You are correct, there is no mention of a 48 hour
> warning in the county code.

The best argument would be on 1st Amendment grounds. The County got sued by that church in Oakton under 1st amendment for having an 'illegal' sign. They county rolled over quick on that one. See if you can get a copy of their legal brief and just rehash their arguments.

The court will probably claim that commercial speech is not protected as much, but it might be more exciting than just writing the check first.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/va-politics/fairfax-county-says-it-will-revisit-sign-rule-that-sparked-church-lawsuit/2012/08/30/dc998834-f2d8-11e1-892d-bc92fee603a7_story.html

NH3FC Wrote:
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> The best argument would be on 1st Amendment
> grounds. The County got sued by that church in
> Oakton under 1st amendment for having an 'illegal'
> sign. They county rolled over quick on that one.
> See if you can get a copy of their legal brief and
> just rehash their arguments.
>
> The court will probably claim that commercial
> speech is not protected as much, but it might be
> more exciting than just writing the check first.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/va-politics/fa
> irfax-county-says-it-will-revisit-sign-rule-that-s
> parked-church-lawsuit/2012/08/30/dc998834-f2d8-11e
> 1-892d-bc92fee603a7_story.html

Thank you for this, I will try to get in contact with them. The company they use said they mailed out the affidavit today.

Priapus Wrote:
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> Has anyone ever bought a car that had a "for sale"
> sign on it (besides a beaner)?


No, but I did get one from auto trader once, which is almost the same thing.

Now I know how to have some fun with a stack of homemade forsale signs.

Mj Peterson, Ackmed is right you are a looser. He's also obviously smarter then you too, stupid!

ffx old fart, you are a old fart, I bet your children don't even like you, that's if you have some, which would explain why your old ass is on the Internet saying shit you don't have the balls to say in public, pussy!

Ralph Pootawn, "LOL", stop using acronyms that women use you little bitch. You probably got long blonde hair too mutha fucker!

The Northman,you like recording? you probably like watching little boys or animals fuckin, pussy!

Non liberal, "Mexican", is that all we get for the $100,000 education mommy and daddy paid for. Your liberal when taking it in ass, faggot! Get a fuckin job

Neighbor, "ratted", says a lot about you when you brag on how you "betray" or "desert" someone, snake!

Car Guy, "blight" you sleaze ball, go sale some shit to someone before you go broke you small dick muther fucker.

Finally, got it right!

So this is where racism hides Wrote:
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> Mj Peterson, Ackmed is right you are a looser.
> He's also obviously smarter then you too, stupid!
>
> ffx old fart, you are a old fart, I bet your
> children don't even like you, that's if you have
> some, which would explain why your old ass is on
> the Internet saying shit you don't have the balls
> to say in public, pussy!
>
> Ralph Pootawn, "LOL", stop using acronyms that
> women use you little bitch. You probably got long
> blonde hair too mutha fucker!
>
> The Northman,you like recording? you probably like
> watching little boys or animals fuckin, pussy!
>
> Non liberal, "Mexican", is that all we get for the
> $100,000 education mommy and daddy paid for. Your
> liberal when taking it in ass, faggot! Get a
> fuckin job
>
> Neighbor, "ratted", says a lot about you when you
> brag on how you "betray" or "desert" someone,
> snake!
>
> Car Guy, "blight" you sleaze ball, go sale some
> shit to someone before you go broke you small dick
> muther fucker.
>
> Finally, got it right!


wow nice impression of me you stupid fuck. too bad i really have issues with people here revealing my name and sexual history and you're a little coward bitch who hides behind fake names.

if u cant handle the heat get outta the kitchen fuckface.

-thinkbox out.

only rednecks, mexicans and arabs park cars on the front lawn