Test should have to count for 50 percent of a teacher evaluation. We would of better teachers if that was the case. Some of them don't even show up or do any work. WE NEED TO GET RID OF UNIONS.

Yeah, pretty obvious this "parent" is a troll.

Who seriously thinks that half of a teacher's evaluation should be tied to how well they can teach to a test? Isn't that the definition of a bad teacher?

to Dad: WRONG--There are too many variables.

I am NO fan of teachers' unions, but tests are NOT an indicator of good teachers.

First:
Who do you think creates tests? All tests are NOT created equal.

Who do you think gives the tests? Teachers. There are lots of ways to manipulate the instructions, etc. The teachers who "bend the rules" will fare better than the others. Is this what you want? Do you really want teachers who teach the test exclusively? That develops kids who cannot solve problems.

How do you think the classes are assigned? Principals' favorites will get the better students under your plan. Sometimes the "stronger" teachers get the worst students--Is this fair?

Do you really think teachers' classrooms are a level playing field? Do you have more than one child? Are they the "same"?

Would you pay a PE teacher according to who has the "fastest" students?

What about the teacher who has a class full of transient kids?
What about the teacher who has a class full of truant kids?

My list could go on and on.

I understand the desire for accountability. However, there are just too many variables. We would never get teachers in poor schools is this were the answer.

My recommendation. GET RID of sorry teachers first. These are the ones who are chronically late, first out the door, inattentive, etc.etc. All teachers and principals know who they are. It is not even hard to document--but it takes effort on the part of the administration.
My personal view is that poor principals result in poor teachers.
In FCPS it starts at the very TOP.

He has never supported teachers. Who only supports Gatehouse. It does start at the top and we cannot wait till he leaves.

former teacher Wrote:
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> to Dad: WRONG--There are too many variables.
>
> I am NO fan of teachers' unions, but tests are NOT
> an indicator of good teachers.
>
> First:
> Who do you think creates tests? All tests are NOT
> created equal.
>
> Who do you think gives the tests? Teachers. There
> are lots of ways to manipulate the instructions,
> etc. The teachers who "bend the rules" will fare
> better than the others. Is this what you want?
> Do you really want teachers who teach the test
> exclusively? That develops kids who cannot solve
> problems.
>
> How do you think the classes are assigned?
> Principals' favorites will get the better students
> under your plan. Sometimes the "stronger"
> teachers get the worst students--Is this fair?
>
> Do you really think teachers' classrooms are a
> level playing field? Do you have more than one
> child? Are they the "same"?
>
> Would you pay a PE teacher according to who has
> the "fastest" students?
>
> What about the teacher who has a class full of
> transient kids?
> What about the teacher who has a class full of
> truant kids?
>
> My list could go on and on.
>
> I understand the desire for accountability.
> However, there are just too many variables. We
> would never get teachers in poor schools is this
> were the answer.
>
> My recommendation. GET RID of sorry teachers
> first. These are the ones who are chronically
> late, first out the door, inattentive, etc.etc.
> All teachers and principals know who they are. It
> is not even hard to document--but it takes effort
> on the part of the administration.
> My personal view is that poor principals result in
> poor teachers.
> In FCPS it starts at the very TOP.


Well that why I said half. My son is LD and he got a 333 on his English 11 Writing sol last year. His teacher last year Mr.Onderf wron Wodson High School never showed up. He thought he was "cool" and a 50 year old virgin. This year he was in a English 12 sol class and he got a 439 on his writting sol, WHy is that? Shouldn't she get a rasie thing my son sol scores went up 104 points to do her teaching?

1. A teacher who doesn't show up should be fired. Period.
2. 12th grade English teacher is doing her job. All teachers should do their job. Also, raise in SOL could be due to other factors: your son's health, attitude change, etc.etc. Poor scores can also be a result of these factors. Your son may have worked harder.

I'm not saying 12th grade teacher wasn't better than 11th grade--just that there may be other factors involved.
Repeat: sorry teachers should be fired--but test scores are just one part of the equation.

I guess that teacher should be celebrated, since he obviously received no English help at home.

dad Wrote:
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> Well that why I said half. My son is LD and he
> got a 333 on his English 11 Writing sol last year.
> His teacher last year Mr.Onderf wron Wodson High
> School never showed up. He thought he was "cool"
> and a 50 year old virgin. This year he was in a
> English 12 sol class and he got a 439 on his
> writting sol, WHy is that? Shouldn't she get a
> rasie thing my son sol scores went up 104 points
> to do her teaching?

Snotty Comment Wrote:
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> I guess that teacher should be celebrated, since
> he obviously received no English help at home.
>
> dad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well that why I said half. My son is LD and
> he
> > got a 333 on his English 11 Writing sol last
> year.
> > His teacher last year Mr.Onderf wron Wodson
> High
> > School never showed up. He thought he was
> "cool"
> > and a 50 year old virgin. This year he was in
> a
> > English 12 sol class and he got a 439 on his
> > writting sol, WHy is that? Shouldn't she get
> a
> > rasie thing my son sol scores went up 104
> points
> > to do her teaching?


Thanks, I was born in Parksatin and came to the United States in 1997, without speaking a word in English.

former teacher Wrote:
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> 1. A teacher who doesn't show up should be fired.
> Period.
> 2. 12th grade English teacher is doing her job.
> All teachers should do their job. Also, raise in
> SOL could be due to other factors: your son's
> health, attitude change, etc.etc. Poor scores can
> also be a result of these factors. Your son may
> have worked harder.
>
> I'm not saying 12th grade teacher wasn't better
> than 11th grade--just that there may be other
> factors involved.
> Repeat: sorry teachers should be fired--but test
> scores are just one part of the equation.


Thanks, Your right.