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Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
JBass
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Date: May 10, 2012 02:52PM
Come one and come all to voice your opinion about the worst traffic light in the county.
I swear I get stopped on red at the Braddock/123 light every single time. It doesnt matter which direction Im traveling or what time of day it is; I ALWAYS get stopped at that effing light.
EXCEPT for 1 time, once. I made it on Braddock West from 495 to Colchester Road without hitting a single light. I bought a lottery ticket that night. Didnt win.
I swear I get stopped on red at the Braddock/123 light every single time. It doesnt matter which direction Im traveling or what time of day it is; I ALWAYS get stopped at that effing light.
EXCEPT for 1 time, once. I made it on Braddock West from 495 to Colchester Road without hitting a single light. I bought a lottery ticket that night. Didnt win.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
yup, I win
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Date: May 10, 2012 02:55PM
Patrick Henry and Route 50.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Randle McMurphy
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Date: May 10, 2012 03:01PM
The light near 3220 Old Lee Hwy...
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
JBass
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Date: May 10, 2012 03:01PM
yup, I win Wrote:
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> Patrick Henry and Route 50.
That light is a qualifier. It is like 9 feet this side of the Arlington/Fairfax border.
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> Patrick Henry and Route 50.
That light is a qualifier. It is like 9 feet this side of the Arlington/Fairfax border.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Random Dude
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Date: May 10, 2012 05:06PM
Fairfax County Parkway and Popes Head Road.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
JBass
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Date: May 10, 2012 05:09PM
Random Dude Wrote:
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> Fairfax County Parkway and Popes Head Road.
Here we go again...
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> Fairfax County Parkway and Popes Head Road.
Here we go again...
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
sumguy
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Date: May 10, 2012 05:11PM
Any traffic light exiting Fairfax City. For example 123 and Braddock south bound or 50 and Waples west bound.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Viscount Monteforte d_Alsace
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Date: May 10, 2012 05:16PM
123 and 29 is so full of fail...
I'd also like to nominate the clusterfuck that is the intersection of Route 1 and North Kings Highway.
I'd also like to nominate the clusterfuck that is the intersection of Route 1 and North Kings Highway.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
wuht_____________
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Date: May 10, 2012 05:34PM
i dunno if NE1 posted it yet but dat light at popes head and the parkway is shit i wish theyd cut dat off tottly
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: May 10, 2012 05:39PM
International Dr. turning left (north) on 123 bites..
Leesburg Pike and Pimmit...
Leesburg Pike and Idylwood..
50 and Graham....
50 and Annandale...
50 and Patrick Henry, but especially turning left while driving eastbound..
Gallows northbound turning left onto 29...
I can't get over Little River Turnpike and the new fourway stop with Old Dominion Drive either...
Leesburg Pike and Pimmit...
Leesburg Pike and Idylwood..
50 and Graham....
50 and Annandale...
50 and Patrick Henry, but especially turning left while driving eastbound..
Gallows northbound turning left onto 29...
I can't get over Little River Turnpike and the new fourway stop with Old Dominion Drive either...
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Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Viscount Monteforte d_Alsace
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Date: May 10, 2012 06:58PM
Actually a miserable intersection that I've recently come across - Galleria Drive and Tysons Blvd. AWFUL waits if you're not on Tysons Blvd.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Bill.N.
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Date: May 10, 2012 07:39PM
EB Braddock Road and the Beltway. About 5 car lengths after the stop light at Port Royal. They frequently are out of sync.
Lee Hwy and Gallows used to be a disaster, but I haven't been there in a few years. Is it still bad?
Not in the county but I think one of the worst in NoVa has to be the light at Main St and Old Lee Hwy in Fairfax City.
Lee Hwy and Gallows used to be a disaster, but I haven't been there in a few years. Is it still bad?
Not in the county but I think one of the worst in NoVa has to be the light at Main St and Old Lee Hwy in Fairfax City.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Tillyyy
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Date: May 10, 2012 07:57PM
EC Lawrence Park + Route 28.
Coppermine Rd + Centreville Rd. (seriously, there'll be like 2 cars on the Coppermine side and 50 on Centreville Rd backing up till the Toll Road)
Lees Corner Rd + Route 50. I've never NOT hit this light.
Coppermine Rd + Centreville Rd. (seriously, there'll be like 2 cars on the Coppermine side and 50 on Centreville Rd backing up till the Toll Road)
Lees Corner Rd + Route 50. I've never NOT hit this light.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
TheMeeper
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Date: May 10, 2012 07:59PM
Route 7 and Idylwood and Route 7 at Pimmit is the worst one-two punch in the county.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
StalledinTraffic
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Date: May 10, 2012 08:21PM
RT 123 and Braddock Road, hopeless mess, bad timing
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
jeez
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Date: May 10, 2012 08:21PM
No contest!
The light at Gallows rd and the W&OD trail. All of the trail people are long gone before the light turns back to green. Worse yet, they hit the button then cross at the same time when traffic is clear, resulting in cars burning fuel for nothing.
It's just an empty road at that point.
The light at Gallows rd and the W&OD trail. All of the trail people are long gone before the light turns back to green. Worse yet, they hit the button then cross at the same time when traffic is clear, resulting in cars burning fuel for nothing.
It's just an empty road at that point.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
JustanFYI
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Date: May 10, 2012 08:28PM
Tillyyy Wrote:
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> EC Lawrence Park + Route 28.
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> Coppermine Rd + Centreville Rd. (seriously,
> there'll be like 2 cars on the Coppermine side and
> 50 on Centreville Rd backing up till the Toll
> Road)
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> Lees Corner Rd + Route 50. I've never NOT hit this
> light.
I would also like to add the ridiculous light on 28N that allows everyone on 28S turn LEFT onto the 66E on-ramp. That entire section up to EC Lawrence Park needs an overhaul so that 28N from 29 is straight through.
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> EC Lawrence Park + Route 28.
>
> Coppermine Rd + Centreville Rd. (seriously,
> there'll be like 2 cars on the Coppermine side and
> 50 on Centreville Rd backing up till the Toll
> Road)
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> Lees Corner Rd + Route 50. I've never NOT hit this
> light.
I would also like to add the ridiculous light on 28N that allows everyone on 28S turn LEFT onto the 66E on-ramp. That entire section up to EC Lawrence Park needs an overhaul so that 28N from 29 is straight through.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
CommuterX
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Date: May 10, 2012 08:28PM
The combination of lights on Waples Mill between 29 and 50. They are timed to ensure no one EVER gets through them without stopping,
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Alexander Smith
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Date: May 10, 2012 08:43PM
Rt. 7 and Gallows between the hours of 2:00-19:00.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
say
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Date: May 10, 2012 08:59PM
Bill.N. Wrote:
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> EB Braddock Road and the Beltway. About 5 car
> lengths after the stop light at Port Royal. They
> frequently are out of sync.
I do believe that light is temporary. It should be gone when the Lexus Lanes project is completed. Aussies don't know anything about synchronizing traffic lights.
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> EB Braddock Road and the Beltway. About 5 car
> lengths after the stop light at Port Royal. They
> frequently are out of sync.
I do believe that light is temporary. It should be gone when the Lexus Lanes project is completed. Aussies don't know anything about synchronizing traffic lights.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
wrqwrrqwqwrrqw
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Date: May 10, 2012 09:35PM
not here but in DC they built it behind a light pole way off to the side of the road.
http://g.co/maps/k83cy
http://g.co/maps/k83cy
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Johnny Galt
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Date: May 10, 2012 09:37PM
FFX Co Pkwy and Popes Head
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Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Johnny Galt
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Date: May 10, 2012 09:37PM
FFX County Pkwy and Popes Head
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Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Johnny Galt
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Date: May 10, 2012 09:37PM
Popes Head and Rt 7000
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Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Johnny Galt
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Date: May 10, 2012 09:38PM
Rt 7000 and Popes Head
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Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
newgatedenizen
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Date: May 10, 2012 09:48PM
Hmmm... I don't drive through the Braddock/123 intersection that often, but now that I am thinking about it - I don't think I've ever made it through without stopping for a red light first.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Kamp Washingtonian
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Date: May 11, 2012 08:30AM
CommuterX Wrote:
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> The combination of lights on Waples Mill between
> 29 and 50. They are timed to ensure no one EVER
> gets through them without stopping,
Haha. Yah, thats 5 minutes to go 1/2 mile, with or without traffic.
Also, 50 @ Annandale Road and 50 @ Prosperity. I don't drive through those areas that much, but when I do they add 15-20 minutes to my drive time combined.
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> The combination of lights on Waples Mill between
> 29 and 50. They are timed to ensure no one EVER
> gets through them without stopping,
Haha. Yah, thats 5 minutes to go 1/2 mile, with or without traffic.
Also, 50 @ Annandale Road and 50 @ Prosperity. I don't drive through those areas that much, but when I do they add 15-20 minutes to my drive time combined.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Brian
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Date: May 11, 2012 09:04AM
Both Braddock/123 (AM and especially PM due to Mason) and EB Braddock Road stretch west of Beltway in AM are in my top 3. Also Left turn in PM from Shirley Gate onto 29 (Lee Hwy) S/B.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
nuttyturnip
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Date: May 11, 2012 09:28AM
Jermantown/Blake and 123, if you're on Jermantown. The light heavily favors 123, so you'll be stuck there awhile morning/afternoon.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Oakeyton
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Date: May 11, 2012 09:53AM
How about Hunter Mill and 123....Folks turing onto Hunter Mill from 123 NB have that very small turn lane and a TON of cars are trying to turn left. It bogs down the remaining NB lanes of 123.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 11, 2012 10:01AM
123/Braddock has been a failure for 20 as an intersection. No joke like truly a "failure" from an engineering standpoint.
Popes Head and Pkwy - well you've heard my rant before.
Here's some y'all havent mentioned
Parkway@Huntsman, Burkelake, Roberts, Burke Centre, Fox Mill, Sunrise Valley
Richmond @Backlick/Belvior exit
Richmond @ Telelgraph
Kings/Telegraph (DEFINATELY better now that the ramps are in place, though)
and the kicker that I'm F**KING STUNNED THAT NOBODY HAS MENTIONED YET!
Parkway@95/Newington!!!! I mean tell me you've ever seen that intersection in daylight not crowded, right?
Popes Head and Pkwy - well you've heard my rant before.
Here's some y'all havent mentioned
Parkway@Huntsman, Burkelake, Roberts, Burke Centre, Fox Mill, Sunrise Valley
Richmond @Backlick/Belvior exit
Richmond @ Telelgraph
Kings/Telegraph (DEFINATELY better now that the ramps are in place, though)
and the kicker that I'm F**KING STUNNED THAT NOBODY HAS MENTIONED YET!
Parkway@95/Newington!!!! I mean tell me you've ever seen that intersection in daylight not crowded, right?
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: May 11, 2012 10:09AM
Does Backlick and Braddock still suck?
Does 236 and Hummer Road still suck?
Does 236 and Hummer Road still suck?
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Pickett to Shirley
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 11, 2012 10:27AM
Little River Turnpike in it's ENTIRE LENGTH sucks, yo
Every. Single. Light.
edit: I'm actually dead serious. Give me one light on Turnpike you dont stop at. One.
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Every. Single. Light.
edit: I'm actually dead serious. Give me one light on Turnpike you dont stop at. One.
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Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
nuttyturnip
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Date: May 11, 2012 10:38AM
Oakeyton Wrote:
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> How about Hunter Mill and 123....Folks turing onto
> Hunter Mill from 123 NB have that very small turn
> lane and a TON of cars are trying to turn left.
> It bogs down the remaining NB lanes of 123.
The problem there is the turn lane. The stoplight itself is fair, there's just not enough room for the volume of people who want to turn left.
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> How about Hunter Mill and 123....Folks turing onto
> Hunter Mill from 123 NB have that very small turn
> lane and a TON of cars are trying to turn left.
> It bogs down the remaining NB lanes of 123.
The problem there is the turn lane. The stoplight itself is fair, there's just not enough room for the volume of people who want to turn left.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Speed Racer
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Date: May 11, 2012 11:25PM
Every single light in this hee haw state. Unlike every other state, this one refuses to use smart lights with sensors. Not another car in site? 3 in the morning? You'll still wait 4 minutes at a retarded red. Drive for 5 minutes in any other state and you quickly realize how bad it is here.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Angry Angry Commuter
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Date: May 13, 2012 11:41AM
Speed Racer Wrote:
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> Every single light in this hee haw state. Unlike
> every other state, this one refuses to use smart
> lights with sensors. Not another car in site? 3
> in the morning? You'll still wait 4 minutes at a
> retarded red. Drive for 5 minutes in any other
> state and you quickly realize how bad it is here.
You got that right!
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> Every single light in this hee haw state. Unlike
> every other state, this one refuses to use smart
> lights with sensors. Not another car in site? 3
> in the morning? You'll still wait 4 minutes at a
> retarded red. Drive for 5 minutes in any other
> state and you quickly realize how bad it is here.
You got that right!
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Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Arlingtonkid
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Date: May 13, 2012 02:23PM
Lee Jackson Memorial Highway at Centerview, and twenty yards away at Centreville Road, then about twenty yards on, the light at the other end of the shopping center. Or, any of the lights on Sunrise Valley Drive between Reston Parkway and Centreville Road.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Gonzo
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Date: May 14, 2012 10:56PM
Surprised no one mentioned the brilliant engineering "improvement" that makes people entering the Beltway N. from Rt. 7 Eastbound turn left against Westbound traffic at a new light. Much more efficient than the on-ramp that was there previously.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
jim143
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Date: May 15, 2012 06:33AM
^^^^Surprised no one mentioned the brilliant engineering "improvement" that makes people entering the Beltway N. from Rt. 7 Eastbound
From the virginiahotlanes.com site:
"The new traffic pattern will eliminate the loop ramp to make room for the 495 Express Lanes ramp."
Yippee. Another improvement to all our lives from the money grubbing scumbags at VDOT, Fluor and Transurban.
From the virginiahotlanes.com site:
"The new traffic pattern will eliminate the loop ramp to make room for the 495 Express Lanes ramp."
Yippee. Another improvement to all our lives from the money grubbing scumbags at VDOT, Fluor and Transurban.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
JBass
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Date: May 15, 2012 01:06PM
Gonzo Wrote:
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> Surprised no one mentioned the brilliant
> engineering "improvement" that makes people
> entering the Beltway N. from Rt. 7 Eastbound turn
> left against Westbound traffic at a new light.
> Much more efficient than the on-ramp that was
> there previously.
That light has been there what, a month? I was an accident the very first day it was in and 2 more since. Those are just the ones I have seen. Really, very stupid. This light gets the win for worst new light. A superlative that comes with great honor and distinction.
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> Surprised no one mentioned the brilliant
> engineering "improvement" that makes people
> entering the Beltway N. from Rt. 7 Eastbound turn
> left against Westbound traffic at a new light.
> Much more efficient than the on-ramp that was
> there previously.
That light has been there what, a month? I was an accident the very first day it was in and 2 more since. Those are just the ones I have seen. Really, very stupid. This light gets the win for worst new light. A superlative that comes with great honor and distinction.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Yup
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Date: May 15, 2012 02:07PM
JBass Wrote:
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> Random Dude Wrote:
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> > Fairfax County Parkway and Popes Head Road.
>
> Here we go again...
Any traffic light that gets an entire FFXU thread dedicated to it should definitely be on the list.
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> Random Dude Wrote:
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> > Fairfax County Parkway and Popes Head Road.
>
> Here we go again...
Any traffic light that gets an entire FFXU thread dedicated to it should definitely be on the list.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
WaitingforOneCar
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Date: May 16, 2012 07:38AM
Any light anywhere in Reston where the developer has helped pay for the intersection/stoplight and in exchange has gotten it to be on-demand for the cross street, thereby stopping sixty cars driving on the main road for the ONE CAR turning right from the cross street.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 16, 2012 07:55AM
@Waiting - I think the lights are there to let that one car cause it's impossible to get out those neighborhoods without them...........
not a sermon, just a thought
not a sermon, just a thought
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
carscarscars
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Date: May 16, 2012 04:12PM
Popes Head & Ffx County Parkway FOR SURE.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
WaitingforOneCar
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Date: May 17, 2012 09:08AM
@Gordon
I understand when the cross-road car is going straight or turning left, but in a state where there is right turn on red unless otherwise indicated, that car doesn't need a green to turn right.
I understand when the cross-road car is going straight or turning left, but in a state where there is right turn on red unless otherwise indicated, that car doesn't need a green to turn right.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 17, 2012 09:11AM
@Waiting - I know, right? It is the MOST ANNOYING THING IN THE WORLD to come up on a light, and then see a cross-street car approach, stop, make their right and go on about their business.....................and the light STILL turns red for you!!
You'd think they'd put a delay on the signal or something.
You'd think they'd put a delay on the signal or something.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
TrafficEngineer
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Date: May 17, 2012 11:13AM
As a traffic engineer, i have to say everyone on this forum is wrong. Just plain wrong.
The worst intersection in the county is actually in fairfax city, Route 50 and Route 29. The only intersection justifying 5, thats right, 5 whole traffic delay studies in the past 10 years alone. One whole study has been done at Ffx Co Pkwy and Popes Head Rd. Cause in reality, its not that bad.
Secondly, the extremely ridiculous comment about reston developers who help pay for a signal and want it to be on demand, you are way off. Private developers never ever pay for an intersection signal to be built, or a phase put in. The developer has actually no say period. the recommendation for a signal is made by a traffic engineering consulting firm, then forwarded to the state for approval, who redo the study and make the final decision. So no, they dont influence anything.
Also, The way the signals are designed now are as optimal as they can be. Time space diagrams are used to determine phasing and coordination. Id like to see anyone here even attempt one. Exactly.
To wrap things up, traffic exists here mainly because of bad drivers. One guy slowing down too soon or braking too hard causes 1 mile of backup. So in reality, its not us. Its you.
Feel free to hate on
The worst intersection in the county is actually in fairfax city, Route 50 and Route 29. The only intersection justifying 5, thats right, 5 whole traffic delay studies in the past 10 years alone. One whole study has been done at Ffx Co Pkwy and Popes Head Rd. Cause in reality, its not that bad.
Secondly, the extremely ridiculous comment about reston developers who help pay for a signal and want it to be on demand, you are way off. Private developers never ever pay for an intersection signal to be built, or a phase put in. The developer has actually no say period. the recommendation for a signal is made by a traffic engineering consulting firm, then forwarded to the state for approval, who redo the study and make the final decision. So no, they dont influence anything.
Also, The way the signals are designed now are as optimal as they can be. Time space diagrams are used to determine phasing and coordination. Id like to see anyone here even attempt one. Exactly.
To wrap things up, traffic exists here mainly because of bad drivers. One guy slowing down too soon or braking too hard causes 1 mile of backup. So in reality, its not us. Its you.
Feel free to hate on
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 17, 2012 11:22AM
all I gotta say is that it's pretty funny that the his first sentence is to tell us we are all wrong, then the 2nd sentence goes on to say the worst intersection in the county ISNT EVEN IN THE FUCKING COUNTY!!!!!
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Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Chantilly Commuter
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Date: May 17, 2012 11:29AM
@TrafficEngineer--If you had anything to do with changing the timing on the Ffx Co Pkwy signals northbound from Huntsman to Roberts in the afternoon, thank you! I can make them all if traffic is doing anywhere from 45-60 depending on my starting position at Huntsman when it went green. About six months ago you had to do at least 65 to make them all if you were lucky and no one was blocking the way.
Now if you could just fix the Huntsman light so traffic doesn't back up to Hooes every afternoon... I don't mind Popes Head so much--never have to wait more than one cycle, if at all, just a long line usually.
Now if you could just fix the Huntsman light so traffic doesn't back up to Hooes every afternoon... I don't mind Popes Head so much--never have to wait more than one cycle, if at all, just a long line usually.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
TrafficEngineer
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Date: May 17, 2012 11:29AM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> all I gotta say is that it's pretty funny that the
> his first sentence is to tell us we are all wrong,
> then the 2nd sentence goes on to say the worst
> intersection in the county ISNT EVEN IN THE
> FUCKING COUNTY!!!!!
> o_0
The City of Fairfax is an independent city forming an enclave within the confines of Fairfax County, in the Commonwealth of Virginia in the United States. Although politically independent of the surrounding county, the City is nevertheless the county seat[
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> all I gotta say is that it's pretty funny that the
> his first sentence is to tell us we are all wrong,
> then the 2nd sentence goes on to say the worst
> intersection in the county ISNT EVEN IN THE
> FUCKING COUNTY!!!!!
> o_0
The City of Fairfax is an independent city forming an enclave within the confines of Fairfax County, in the Commonwealth of Virginia in the United States. Although politically independent of the surrounding county, the City is nevertheless the county seat[
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
TrafficEngineer
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Date: May 17, 2012 11:33AM
The fact that the queue from that intersection stretches across the " County line" qualifies it
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Easy Choices
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Date: May 17, 2012 11:41AM
123/Nutley. Enough said.
DUDE! (or dudette, i dunno) You SOOOOO are not from here
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 17, 2012 12:04PM
@Traffic - which 29/50 light are we talking about? Kamp Washington or Fairfax Circle? Either way, NEITHER count as the county cause there's nothing anybody in the COUNTY can do about CITY lights. Those same politix you bring up? It's them politix that keep the county from meddling on city property, which is what BOTH those lights are, no matter how long the backup is. City also decides how many studies to do on either intersection where the state would be the one making the call on Pkwy/Popes Head. Unless you can prove that one wrong, I'd wager it's more those politix and $$$$$ that made one intersection be studied more than the other. Sorry my friend, but there really is a kinda difference.
@Chantilly - Hooes/Huntsman's where the "new" freeway part of the parkway turns into the "widened version of Pohick Rd" part of the parkway. Long story short - the Huntsman light isnt really as much the issue as it is traffic having to funnel itself onto that part of the parkway..............................and about Popes Head - if you are heading from 95 to 7 in the afternoon, you arent feeling the full effect of the LOVE that Popes Head gives us :)
@Chantilly - Hooes/Huntsman's where the "new" freeway part of the parkway turns into the "widened version of Pohick Rd" part of the parkway. Long story short - the Huntsman light isnt really as much the issue as it is traffic having to funnel itself onto that part of the parkway..............................and about Popes Head - if you are heading from 95 to 7 in the afternoon, you arent feeling the full effect of the LOVE that Popes Head gives us :)
Re: DUDE! (or dudette, i dunno) You SOOOOO are not from here
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 17, 2012 12:04PM
@easy...............county. COUNTY!
GordonBlvd, you have no clue
Posted by:
TrafficEngineer
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Date: May 17, 2012 01:15PM
The real fact of the matter is, it doesnt matter if city or county want to do anything about it, theyre both US highways and because of that, neither have a say over it. VDOT has the final word, and even then, because theyre US highways, FHWA has their two cents, which just effs things up even more. So even though its in the city, State owns and runs that show. And im talking abou Kamp Washington, the circle doesnt really count as 50/29 since thy run together, and intersect with Old Lee Hwy. Or Circle. In any case, both our points are really moot, VDOT and FHWA rule over those Ints.
Re: GordonBlvd, you have no clue
Posted by:
TrafficEngineer
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Date: May 17, 2012 01:20PM
Also, the only thing City has advantage over county in, is maintenance and operation of the signal. They can in no way intiate anything without County approval, subsequently VDOT approval, then finally FHWA approval. so although the signal is in the city (technically), its coordination extends beyond into county signals, so no matter what they wanna do, even change signal timing, it has to get county approved. State decides how many studies to do, what gets spproved, not approved etc. the only intersections in the 'City' are non US hwys and non SR (state roads), for example 123, 236 etc. the city only own those minor intersections, the major ones are owned by County or VDOT. City maintains them because of jurisdiction, however they are ultimtely goverened by County and State. How would i know all this? My username says it all.
Re: GordonBlvd, you have no clue
Posted by:
TrafficEngineer
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Date: May 17, 2012 01:23PM
Nutley and 123 is a Ffx County/State signal. Do you understand/know the extents of the county?
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 17, 2012 01:33PM
I gotcha. But that's kinda not the point, you got it backwards What I was saying was not about the city needing county, state, fed approval. What I'm saying is that the city doesnt HAVE to change a thing if they dont want to. County, State or Feds cant MAKE Fairfax City adjust lights, widen roads, etc. ONLY City of Fairfax can make the call on IF they want to do anything about Kamp Washington. We in the County can bitch all we want about Kamp Washington but VDOT nor US Govt cant force the city to fix it if they dont want to, was my point. Dunno about ownership and whatnot - but I do know that hell and high water would be raised if County, State of Feds came in and did something to Kamp Washington without the city being cool with it, no matter what yr username is :)
Re: GordonBlvd, you have no clue
Posted by:
TrafficEngineer
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Date: May 17, 2012 01:45PM
True, but if VDOT wanted to take intiative (and hell froze over, pigs flew, and actually did work at work instead of forum hopping) they could go in there and do the work, no City needed. Hire the contractors, and fix the damn thing. VDOT and FHWA have so many other things going on, it hits the backburner. The only improvement that can help it is whats currently going on with Ffx Co Pkwy and Fair Lakes Pkwy. a grade separated interchange. the amount of cars coming through the intersection exceeds capacity by 50%. No matter what timing they have tried, exclusive left turns, etc, It needs an overhaul thatll never happen, too many businesses with right of way issues. VDOT and FHWA can do whatever they want to Kamp Washington, as long as it doesnt exceed the right of way allocated to them. No City approval or knowledge required.
yeah, I kinda maybe know a wee bit about 123 LoLz
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 17, 2012 01:49PM
I know that the last VDOT maintained light on 123 is at Flint Hill. It's townie lights til Old Courthouse even an idiot like me knows that. Town of Vienna maintains the 123/Nutley light, yo. White trucks with town markings. I know this very well. If you really are telling me that VDOT maintains that light, it makes me question yr credentials a little. Town of Vienna controls that light as well as ALL the traffic lights in their jurisdiction. They get money from VDOT to do their own shit. I know this for a fact cause I just had someone call the Town's Public Works Dept to verify all the crap I've been sprouting out.
it's also on their website - all 65 miles of it LoLz
http://www.viennava.gov/index.aspx?NID=124
And I'm pretty sure it's the same for Falls Church and Fairfax.
it's also on their website - all 65 miles of it LoLz
http://www.viennava.gov/index.aspx?NID=124
And I'm pretty sure it's the same for Falls Church and Fairfax.
Re: GordonBlvd, you have no clue
Posted by:
TrafficEngineer
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Date: May 17, 2012 01:57PM
By maintain, you mean pave, street sweep and adjust signal timings (slightly). Any mods, projects, and overall improvements they do not handle, VDOT does. 123 is a state road (hence how its referred to as SR 123... state route... hmmmm). All the town of vienna does is 'maintain'. thats not ownership, nor is that in any way power over the intersection. They can not initiate a project without VDOt approval. no matter how big or small. And those little white trucks with town markings, that carry cones and shovels and all that good stuff? They sit there, next to VDOt staff, and watch the peon contractors as they do VDOTs work. They are there strictly to observe. I work for a county gov't (shocking, huh) so i know how this works. Dept of Public Works are there to take phone calls and fill requests, oh, and maintain the signal. basically making sure its clean and has power. Get a clue.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
MBF
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Date: May 17, 2012 01:57PM
Secondly, the extremely ridiculous comment about reston developers who help pay for a signal and want it to be on demand, you are way off. Private developers never ever pay for an intersection signal to be built, or a phase put in. The developer has actually no say period. the recommendation for a signal is made by a traffic engineering consulting firm, then forwarded to the state for approval, who redo the study and make the final decision. So no, they dont influence anything.
Maybe I'm being picky in my interpretation of your statements but developers most certainly do pay for traffic signals (though they cannot have it favor its development's traffic on demand). They escrow the funds for it for future installation or put it in if the county/state required it as part of the development process. All you need to do is read the proffers and transportation analyses on staff reports for development applications with the county.
Maybe I'm being picky in my interpretation of your statements but developers most certainly do pay for traffic signals (though they cannot have it favor its development's traffic on demand). They escrow the funds for it for future installation or put it in if the county/state required it as part of the development process. All you need to do is read the proffers and transportation analyses on staff reports for development applications with the county.
Re: yeah, I kinda maybe know a wee bit about 123 LoLz
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 17, 2012 01:58PM
I dont know what magical powers you think VDOT has, but no I'm thinking they'd need city approval to do something in City of Fairfax. Why? Cause of those POLITIX you were talking about earlier. VDOT "fixing" something that's not in their jurisdiction would prolly end up in a courtroom. This is Fairfax we are talking about, y'know LoLz. No, VDOT would work WITH the city on some sorta plan..................but it's a moot point anyway cause like you point out the City of Fairfax is not interested in bulldozing a city block to widen the intersection..........can't say I blame them for that attitude either it just sucks to be us LoLz.
Re: GordonBlvd, you have no clue
Posted by:
TrafficEngineer
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Date: May 17, 2012 02:03PM
MBF, what im saying is that they dont pay for a signal to be installed because its not up to them to determine that, a signal warrant is analyzed, and if it does indeed show a signal is needed, it is forwarded to appropriate agencies (County, State, etc) for approval. And in the somewhat rare occasion when a developer does fit the bill (btw, part of my job is reviewing Traffic Impac studies and analyses, so i do also review their cost proposal at some point), then they are left with the task of maintenance, paving, timing, etc.
Re: yeah, I kinda maybe know a wee bit about 123 LoLz
Posted by:
TrafficEngineer
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Date: May 17, 2012 02:04PM
How do you think the city would win in court when they dont even own the right of way or land the road is paved on? Id like a good explanation for that...
Re: yeah, I kinda maybe know a wee bit about 123 LoLz
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 17, 2012 02:05PM
and sigh.......you miss the point again. Yes, they need VDOT approval to initiate a project. Gotcha on that. What I said is that VDOT cannot do something in the Town without THEIR approval, no matter who actually OWNS the roadway. Yes, the Feds and VDOT can widen 66 all the live long day thru Town of Vienna, sure. But Feds cant make Town of Vienna initiate one of those projects you are talking about without city approval. It just doesnt work that way. There would be fucking blood in the street if say, VDOT makes decision to 4 lane Chain Bridge Rd thru Fairfax City without city consent. If you cant see that, yr the one needs a clue more than me.........
@MBF - it's more like the chip into the fund that pays for the lights.
edit for traffic - what the city DOES own is the land around that right of way,..........or where didja think that extra lane was gonna come from? Think, McFly THINK :)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/17/2012 02:10PM by Gordon Blvd.
@MBF - it's more like the chip into the fund that pays for the lights.
edit for traffic - what the city DOES own is the land around that right of way,..........or where didja think that extra lane was gonna come from? Think, McFly THINK :)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/17/2012 02:10PM by Gordon Blvd.
no, you're missing the point
Posted by:
TrafficEngineer
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Date: May 17, 2012 02:08PM
Apparently, the City of Ffx can say no to VDOT even when the land isnt owned by the City? Do you know what right of way is, and what it means? Do you have any clue what youre talking about? the city doesnt have to approve anything. The. Intersection. Is. Not. Their. Property. Done and done. Move along
Re: yeah, I kinda maybe know a wee bit about 123 LoLz
Posted by:
TrafficEngineer
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Date: May 17, 2012 02:16PM
You mean the land in which the businesses are on? That land is City's? the businesses/developers dont own it? Weird...
Re: yeah, I kinda maybe know a wee bit about 123 LoLz
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 17, 2012 02:23PM
and yeah....city can tell VDOT to fuck off even if VDOT owns the land. You know why? Cause a) land is in city's jurisdiction and b) VDOT signed agreement saying city is going to take care of their crap, etc. so they will pretty much wash their hands of it. Can you even give us and example of VDOT doing a project against Fairfax's wishes WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF FAIRFAX? Since I dont know what I'm talking about, there must be an instance you can give us where this has happened, right?
I ask cause City of Fairfax dont know what yr talking about either. They say they take care of their own roads too..........
http://www.fairfaxva.gov/Transportation/Transportation.asp
I own property. Doesnt meant I can do major works on it without jurisdictional approval. You go ahead and build an addition on YOUR OWN PROPERTY without contacting your jurisdiction about it........see how that works out for you.
I ask cause City of Fairfax dont know what yr talking about either. They say they take care of their own roads too..........
http://www.fairfaxva.gov/Transportation/Transportation.asp
I own property. Doesnt meant I can do major works on it without jurisdictional approval. You go ahead and build an addition on YOUR OWN PROPERTY without contacting your jurisdiction about it........see how that works out for you.
Maintenance. Major Project. Do you understand the difference?
Posted by:
TrafficEngineer
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Date: May 17, 2012 02:27PM
Maintenance:
Paving. Signal timing.
Major project:
Signal reconstruction. Alignment modifications.
One is fully City's. One the City can fuck off. Take a wild guess which is which
Paving. Signal timing.
Major project:
Signal reconstruction. Alignment modifications.
One is fully City's. One the City can fuck off. Take a wild guess which is which
Re: yeah, I kinda maybe know a wee bit about 123 LoLz
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 17, 2012 02:29PM
TrafficEngineer Wrote:
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> You mean the land in which the businesses are on?
> That land is City's? the businesses/developers
> dont own it? Weird...
my bad - jurisdiction not ownership. I'm working with an presumption business owners in a specific jurisdiction wouldnt want to lose property to a road widening forced upon them by an entity that wasnt even their own jurisdiction. Either way, yr still wrong unless you have and example of whatever it is you are saying cause I cant find anybody who has seen VDOT doing a project within a city limits around here, only county
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> You mean the land in which the businesses are on?
> That land is City's? the businesses/developers
> dont own it? Weird...
my bad - jurisdiction not ownership. I'm working with an presumption business owners in a specific jurisdiction wouldnt want to lose property to a road widening forced upon them by an entity that wasnt even their own jurisdiction. Either way, yr still wrong unless you have and example of whatever it is you are saying cause I cant find anybody who has seen VDOT doing a project within a city limits around here, only county
Re: Maintenance. Major Project. Do you understand the difference?
Posted by:
TrafficEngineer
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Date: May 17, 2012 02:35PM
It probably will never happen, never has been the need to. But in case VDOT wants to, they can. They dont need city "approval". Sure, if i was a business owner, i wouldnt wanna sell it/have it taken away just so a new highway can be built.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: May 17, 2012 02:49PM
so yr arguing a point that has never happened? Talk about needing a clue. Ok SURE! VDOT can come and do stuff, use force to fix a road. Navy could do it too as well as Chinese Invaders. NOT. GONNA. HAPPEN. Remember about the Politix we were talking about? That comes into play in crap like that. No matter what power you feel VDOT has on paper, doesnt come close to the reality - which is that they dont run stuff in jurisdictions that have made a deal with them to take care of their own roads.
VDOT owns the roadway but does NOT maintain them and does NOT widen them without jurisdictional approval.
Which is why Kamp Washington isnt the worst light in the county. Cause the REALITY is that it's NOT in the County, is NOT maintained but the county, and has NOTHING to do with the County or State in terms of maintenance or timing. Q.E.D.
VDOT owns the roadway but does NOT maintain them and does NOT widen them without jurisdictional approval.
Which is why Kamp Washington isnt the worst light in the county. Cause the REALITY is that it's NOT in the County, is NOT maintained but the county, and has NOTHING to do with the County or State in terms of maintenance or timing. Q.E.D.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
........
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Date: May 17, 2012 06:37PM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @Waiting - I know, right? It is the MOST ANNOYING
> THING IN THE WORLD to come up on a light, and then
> see a cross-street car approach, stop, make their
> right and go on about their
> business.....................and the light STILL
> turns red for you!!
>
> You'd think they'd put a delay on the signal or
> something.
They would if (1) The thought ever occurred to them and (2) they actually knew how.
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> @Waiting - I know, right? It is the MOST ANNOYING
> THING IN THE WORLD to come up on a light, and then
> see a cross-street car approach, stop, make their
> right and go on about their
> business.....................and the light STILL
> turns red for you!!
>
> You'd think they'd put a delay on the signal or
> something.
They would if (1) The thought ever occurred to them and (2) they actually knew how.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
........
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Date: May 17, 2012 06:41PM
TrafficEngineer Wrote:
Private
> developers never ever pay for an intersection
> signal to be built, or a phase put in.
Yes, they do. Often it is a condition of the rezoning, called a "proffer", and the developer proffers the money to pay for the traffic signal.
I even recall VDOT saying that they couldn't do anything about a malfunctioning signal because the developer was still maintaining it and hadn't turned it over to them.
As far as time-space diagrams go, that whole process only works when the traffic signal controllers actualy know what the correct time is.
Some of yours apparently think they're in a different time zone.
Private
> developers never ever pay for an intersection
> signal to be built, or a phase put in.
Yes, they do. Often it is a condition of the rezoning, called a "proffer", and the developer proffers the money to pay for the traffic signal.
I even recall VDOT saying that they couldn't do anything about a malfunctioning signal because the developer was still maintaining it and hadn't turned it over to them.
As far as time-space diagrams go, that whole process only works when the traffic signal controllers actualy know what the correct time is.
Some of yours apparently think they're in a different time zone.
Re: GordonBlvd, you have no clue
Posted by:
........
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Date: May 17, 2012 06:46PM
TrafficEngineer Wrote:
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> The real fact of the matter is, it doesnt matter
> if city or county want to do anything about it,
> theyre both US highways and because of that,
> neither have a say over it. VDOT has the final
> word, and even then, because theyre US highways,
> FHWA has their two cents, which just effs things
> up even more.
That's a load of horseshit.
If the intersection is in the city, the city has full control and ownership of it, and VDOT has no say in how the signal is programmed or maintained, other than what is in the MUTCD and the Virginia supplement to the same.
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> The real fact of the matter is, it doesnt matter
> if city or county want to do anything about it,
> theyre both US highways and because of that,
> neither have a say over it. VDOT has the final
> word, and even then, because theyre US highways,
> FHWA has their two cents, which just effs things
> up even more.
That's a load of horseshit.
If the intersection is in the city, the city has full control and ownership of it, and VDOT has no say in how the signal is programmed or maintained, other than what is in the MUTCD and the Virginia supplement to the same.
Re: GordonBlvd, you have no clue
Posted by:
........
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Date: May 17, 2012 06:50PM
TrafficEngineer Wrote:
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> Also, the only thing City has advantage over
> county in, is maintenance and operation of the
> signal. They can in no way intiate anything
> without County approval, subsequently VDOT
> approval, then finally FHWA approval. so although
> the signal is in the city (technically), its
> coordination extends beyond into county signals,
> so no matter what they wanna do, even change
> signal timing, it has to get county approved.
> State decides how many studies to do, what gets
> spproved, not approved etc. the only intersections
> in the 'City' are non US hwys and non SR (state
> roads), for example 123, 236 etc. the city only
> own those minor intersections, the major ones are
> owned by County or VDOT. City maintains them
> because of jurisdiction, however they are
> ultimtely goverened by County and State. How would
> i know all this? My username says it all.
That would only be the case if Fairfax City has entered into a coordination agreement with VDOT. I guarantee you that even if they did, if Fairfax City had a good attorney, it contains language that either party may cancel the agreement with notice to the other, ergo, Fairfax City could make timing changes to the signal without VDOT approval.
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> Also, the only thing City has advantage over
> county in, is maintenance and operation of the
> signal. They can in no way intiate anything
> without County approval, subsequently VDOT
> approval, then finally FHWA approval. so although
> the signal is in the city (technically), its
> coordination extends beyond into county signals,
> so no matter what they wanna do, even change
> signal timing, it has to get county approved.
> State decides how many studies to do, what gets
> spproved, not approved etc. the only intersections
> in the 'City' are non US hwys and non SR (state
> roads), for example 123, 236 etc. the city only
> own those minor intersections, the major ones are
> owned by County or VDOT. City maintains them
> because of jurisdiction, however they are
> ultimtely goverened by County and State. How would
> i know all this? My username says it all.
That would only be the case if Fairfax City has entered into a coordination agreement with VDOT. I guarantee you that even if they did, if Fairfax City had a good attorney, it contains language that either party may cancel the agreement with notice to the other, ergo, Fairfax City could make timing changes to the signal without VDOT approval.
Re: no, you're missing the point
Posted by:
........
()
Date: May 17, 2012 06:58PM
TrafficEngineer Wrote:
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> Apparently, the City of Ffx can say no to VDOT
> even when the land isnt owned by the City? Do you
> know what right of way is, and what it means? Do
> you have any clue what youre talking about? the
> city doesnt have to approve anything. The.
> Intersection. Is. Not. Their. Property. Done and
> done. Move along
It is pretty clear in my dealings with city/VDOT issues that cities have jurisdicion of all roads in their boundaries, with the exeception of interstates and private roads.
It's not like it is in some other states where the city maintains everything but "state" roads.
Let me ask you, Mr. Traffic Engineer...what kind of controller is at that intersection? NEMA or 2070/170? If it's NEMA, and I bet it is, why? VDOT uses 2070/170 controllers everywhere else (in Northern VA).
The reason why is because that controller isn't owned by VDOT, it is owned by the city.
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> Apparently, the City of Ffx can say no to VDOT
> even when the land isnt owned by the City? Do you
> know what right of way is, and what it means? Do
> you have any clue what youre talking about? the
> city doesnt have to approve anything. The.
> Intersection. Is. Not. Their. Property. Done and
> done. Move along
It is pretty clear in my dealings with city/VDOT issues that cities have jurisdicion of all roads in their boundaries, with the exeception of interstates and private roads.
It's not like it is in some other states where the city maintains everything but "state" roads.
Let me ask you, Mr. Traffic Engineer...what kind of controller is at that intersection? NEMA or 2070/170? If it's NEMA, and I bet it is, why? VDOT uses 2070/170 controllers everywhere else (in Northern VA).
The reason why is because that controller isn't owned by VDOT, it is owned by the city.
Re: yeah, I kinda maybe know a wee bit about 123 LoLz
Posted by:
........
()
Date: May 17, 2012 07:06PM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
b) VDOT signed
> agreement saying city is going to take care of
> their crap, etc. so they will pretty much wash
> their hands of it.
There was no such agreement--it is codified into law that Virgina cities maintain all roads in their boundaries, with a couple of exceptions already noted.
So by virtue of having incorporated as a city, road maintenance responsibility and ownership of the roads transitioned to the city.
b) VDOT signed
> agreement saying city is going to take care of
> their crap, etc. so they will pretty much wash
> their hands of it.
There was no such agreement--it is codified into law that Virgina cities maintain all roads in their boundaries, with a couple of exceptions already noted.
So by virtue of having incorporated as a city, road maintenance responsibility and ownership of the roads transitioned to the city.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
FairfaxMan
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Date: May 17, 2012 08:03PM
Fairfax County Parkway and Pope's Head Road.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 17, 2012 08:20PM
@.......... - I gotcha. I was arguing from a "town" standpoint and I know VDOT does actually handle the streets in some towns (like Clifton for example) so I wasnt to sure about the legal aspect of it all........but yeah, I dont know of a city in the state that doesnt take care of it's own streets.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
........
()
Date: May 18, 2012 10:24AM
Towns have the option of maintaining their own roads or having VDOT do it. From what I understand, that decision is up to the town to make.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
getreal
()
Date: May 18, 2012 11:06AM
the worst trafic light i've experiance is the red light that hangs over you front door. steady trafic rolling past it into the rooms of your house with out ever stoping before proceding in.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
ySOslow
()
Date: May 20, 2012 03:35AM
TrafficEngineer has a valid point- traffic jams because of bad drivers!
Anyone drive EB Sunset Hills Rd from 7100 (or EB Elden/Barron Cameron) in the morning? Too many backwoods drivers anticipating the red lights slow down
WAY before the light.
People here also dont know how to merge.
Anyone drive EB Sunset Hills Rd from 7100 (or EB Elden/Barron Cameron) in the morning? Too many backwoods drivers anticipating the red lights slow down
WAY before the light.
People here also dont know how to merge.
Re: Cast your vote for 'Worst traffic light in the County'
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 20, 2012 08:20AM
@Ysoslow - you and traffic are right in a way, yet STILL very wrong.
Case in point - the example you give? Check out this pic from 1988 - notice their are 2 lights right by Elden/Baron that were SUPPOSED TO BE INTERCHANGES!! Parkway aint designed right, never has been. Too many lights and intersections instead of interchanges. Same article I got that from tells how the County whored the Parkway out to developers so that's why it's not the full expressway it was meant to be............
But you are right about one thing - ppl here dont know how to merge..............
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Case in point - the example you give? Check out this pic from 1988 - notice their are 2 lights right by Elden/Baron that were SUPPOSED TO BE INTERCHANGES!! Parkway aint designed right, never has been. Too many lights and intersections instead of interchanges. Same article I got that from tells how the County whored the Parkway out to developers so that's why it's not the full expressway it was meant to be............
But you are right about one thing - ppl here dont know how to merge..............
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