It would make a killing. Especially if it were near GMU.

I've wondered this for a long time as well. Especially as there's a Sheetz just over the Loudoun County line on rt 50, and not far over the Prince William count line on rt 28.

My theory has always been that Sheetz avoids Fairfax because of their implication in a massive gas/oil spill under the Mantua neighborhood in Fairfax city years ago. Apparently something happened at the fuel tank site on Pickett Rd (near the Fairfax ice arena) and tons of oil was spilled.

Does anyone have any articles or more information? My quick Google search turned up nothing, but it's been an oral story around here for years.

I don't know but if they do build one, it will inevitably be at the worst possible intersection to get in and out of. Seriously, every Sheetz I've ever been to is that way.

Best hot dogs there! Mmmmm.

Why no Wawa?

Saltmine-My recollection is that the issue with the Pickett Road tank farm in the 1980s wasn't a single large spill. Instead the problem was the cummulative effect of a large number of small spills. Tank farms of that era were designed to contain on site the type of large spill that could occur if, for example, a tank ruptured. However they weren't thinking about what happened when oil and gasoline got into the ground. Over time these contaminants slowly migrated under a nearby upscale neighborhood, and that was caused the uproar.

As for Sheetz, I do like them, but am not suprised they haven't made serious inroads in Fairfax. Land here is expensive and there would probably be a great deal of competition, both on the gas side and on the food side from whatever Fairfax site they selected.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/counties/fairfax/longterm/wwlive/mantua.htm

Exxon/Mobil was begged to come here and build their headquarters from the sitting Fairfax County board at the time....any other questions?

what do you think? Wrote:
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> Exxon/Mobil was begged to come here and build
> their headquarters from the sitting Fairfax County
> board at the time....any other questions?


That probably explains why there are no gas pumps at the Fairfax and Springfield Costcos.

We can use some Sonics around here too.

Client 9 Wrote:
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> what do you think? Wrote:
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> > Exxon/Mobil was begged to come here and build
> > their headquarters from the sitting Fairfax
> County
> > board at the time....any other questions?
>
>
> That probably explains why there are no gas pumps
> at the Fairfax and Springfield Costcos.
>
> We can use some Sonics around here too.


It does explain why there were 3 Exxon stations within a half mile radius in Centreville at one time though.

Sonics aren't allowed in FFC because of a ban on drive up restaurants
you gotta go to Fredricksburg or Winchester to get your Cherry Limeade fix on.
And I did a few weeks ago before a concert, it was bliss.

The reason that we have no Wawas in Fairfax is because we are more than one day's drive away from one of their dairy farms. One of their rules is that any location must be a one day or less drive from one of these farms to ensure the freshest milk. I think I read about it in the WaPo a few years ago. But it's ridiculous because the nearest Wawa is just a few short miles from Lorton.

Its because FFX doesn't want to be like Manassas. Their zoning board would never approve such a move, even though MTO's at night would be kinda cool. Especially for drunks.

res Wrote:
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/countie
> s/fairfax/longterm/wwlive/mantua.htm

Thanks for the link, res!

So, it's been 17 years since that article was written...What's Mantua like now? Many of those homes are now 40+ years old. How are they holding up structurally? Have there been lots of tear downs and McMansions built there?

faggot Wrote:
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> Sonics aren't allowed in FFC because of a ban on
> drive up restaurants

Wow...why is there a ban on drive up restaurants in FFC?

Johnny Suburbs Wrote:
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> faggot Wrote:
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> > Sonics aren't allowed in FFC because of a ban
> on
> > drive up restaurants
>
> Wow...why is there a ban on drive up restaurants
> in FFC?


[Citation Needed]

More Complete Wrote:
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> I don't know but if they do build one, it will
> inevitably be at the worst possible intersection
> to get in and out of. Seriously, every Sheetz I've
> ever been to is that way.


No doubt! Winchester, Haymarket, Warrenton, etc. The list goes on and on.

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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

Warhawk Wrote:
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> More Complete Wrote:
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> > I don't know but if they do build one, it will
> > inevitably be at the worst possible
> intersection
> > to get in and out of. Seriously, every Sheetz
> I've
> > ever been to is that way.
>
>
> No doubt! Winchester, Haymarket, Warrenton, etc.
> The list goes on and on.

Chantilly! No left turn into it from 50 west

Manassas, to leave it you have to drive on Mathis ave and on Manassas Dr if you want to go north on 28, i.e. Back to Fairfax

It's because they sell low quality gas that doesn't meet epa standards for a locality the size of fairfax

'nuff said

I've taken sheetz all throughout FFX Co, so I don't know what you're talkin about.

Johnny Suburbs Wrote:
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> res Wrote:
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> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/countie
>
> > s/fairfax/longterm/wwlive/mantua.htm
>
> Thanks for the link, res!
>
> So, it's been 17 years since that article was
> written...What's Mantua like now? Many of those
> homes are now 40+ years old. How are they holding
> up structurally? Have there been lots of tear
> downs and McMansions built there?


I've only driven through a couple times recently, so I'm probably not the best source of information - but from what I can tell, no, not a lot of tear downs.

Unlike, say, Pimmit Hills, I think Mantua homes were built a bit bigger on average (and not just post-WWII tiny bungalows) so there is less incentive to do tear downs. I'm also unsure of what the HOA rules are there.

Good call/reference by Snowdenscold. Thought the same with intial reading of this chain and you spoke my mind. Mantua have fewer tear downs to date but, it won't last. They are a different animal (compared to Pimmit Hills) w/ active HOA and community tennis/pool. A bit nicer in Mantua in my opinion. There are rebuilds starting in Mantua. Must be tough with the HOA. Reston with their uber-tight HOA guidelines are facing requests for tear downs. Mostly, the requests to RHOA are being denied and owners left re-submitting requests for additions and cosmetic building update. Approval for this in Reston takes months and months w/ numerous updates after board recommendations. Many a homeowner in Reston has been denied their attempt to tear n build a new home within the RHOA confines. It's good and bad at the same time...

plus they sell Faygo pop there! But sadly no Cola or Rock n Rye :(

some dingleberry at the county government has banned anymore drive thru's in the county? is the theory they're visually unattractive? shit with the rampant overdevelopment of the county making it look like some ugly urban landscape I can't see why a few more fast food drive thru's is going to hurt.

BoJangles , Checkers, and a new fast fooder I saw down in North Carolina recently called Check Out great hamburgers way better than the Hardees which really serves the Carl's Jr. menu these days overrpriced and not that good Hardees dying slow death from what I saw

Check Out good Hardees mediocre


btws, I think one of the local state rep's hassucceeded in pushing thru legislation that might bring a close to the tank farm on pickett road
i guess good for the folks nearby but would mean relocation and likely price increase for gas in the area in addition to the other bull shit that leads to the constant gas increase

Hey maybe Exxon/Mobil can sell its site in merrifield and relocate tank farm on that location
hey but i kid

wally pip jr. Wrote:
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> some dingleberry at the county government has
> banned anymore drive thru's in the county? is the
> theory they're visually unattractive? shit with
> the rampant overdevelopment of the county making
> it look like some ugly urban landscape I can't see
> why a few more fast food drive thru's is going to
> hurt.
>
> BoJangles , Checkers, and a new fast fooder I saw
> down in North Carolina recently called Check Out
> great hamburgers way better than the Hardees
> which really serves the Carl's Jr. menu these days
> overrpriced and not that good Hardees dying slow
> death from what I saw
>
> Check Out good Hardees mediocre
>
>
> btws, I think one of the local state rep's
> hassucceeded in pushing thru legislation that
> might bring a close to the tank farm on pickett
> road
> i guess good for the folks nearby but would mean
> relocation and likely price increase for gas in
> the area in addition to the other bull shit that
> leads to the constant gas increase
>
> Hey maybe Exxon/Mobil can sell its site in
> merrifield and relocate tank farm on that
> location
> hey but i kid


Wally,

I think your reference to "Check Out" should be "Cook Out". Yes, really good burgers!

The tank farm on Pickett Road was owned and run by Texaco, and then Star Enterprises (a spin off of Texaco's refining and marketing businesses) starting sometime in the 80's. The oil leaks were gradual, probably from corroded tank bottoms, and it was quite a surprise to the Mantua residents when they found out that they had been living in a toxic wasteland!

COOK OUT ! Yeah Baby, found that place last year, have found them every time we go down south. Awesome place and unbelievably cheap. Hard to believe one family owns all of them, 70+ and no franchise.

What were we talking about again....Sheetz, I dunno why not in Fairfax but plenty everywhere else close by. Probably the cost for the size station they would need is holding them back a little.

Rt 50 Native

You are correct sir I meant Cook Out

i guess the constant commercial blitz on local tv by Checkers confused my foggy brain

Cook Out good!

KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> Warhawk Wrote:
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> > More Complete Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I don't know but if they do build one, it
> will
> > > inevitably be at the worst possible
> > intersection
> > > to get in and out of. Seriously, every Sheetz
> > I've
> > > ever been to is that way.
> >
> >
> > No doubt! Winchester, Haymarket, Warrenton,
> etc.
> > The list goes on and on.
>
> Chantilly! No left turn into it from 50 west
>
> Manassas, to leave it you have to drive on Mathis
> ave and on Manassas Dr if you want to go north on
> 28, i.e. Back to Fairfax

Yes you can get into Sheetz from 50 west. You turn left onto Poland Rd the same as if you are coming 50 East...you would turn onto Poland Rd and make an immediate left into Sheetz.

Thats Loudon Co not Ffx

Wawa > Sheetz

That is all.

It's not like either is a bastion of quality. Shit vs shit

There are no Sheetz or Wawa in Fairfax, Alexandria, Arlington due allocation of land and zoning. The county board would have to do a great deal of restructuring. Land and property taxes are pricey so, therefore much less attractive for business to set up shop which would require a great deal of land to capacitate at least 20+ gas pumps, a parking area, and a 2000 square foot store. There are plenty of Tiger Marts and other convenience store/sandwich shop/gas stations to compensate for the lack of Sheetz or Wawa.
I have not read much into this matter, but I have heard it also has something to so with tariffs on products such as gas and cigarettes.
Comparatively, gas sold at Sheetz or Wawa is far less in quality but, not a great deal cheaper than at an Exxon. Saving a few cents on gas does in fact add up, however would you want to comprise the integrity of your car’s engine especially if you drive a high performance car?
Some people think it due to the riff raff, provincial, Podunk, or white trash stigma. I beg to differ as there are these stores are operating in respectable areas such as Ellicott City, MD and South Riding, VA (a very new and affluent town in the richest county in the US).

Not all Wawas sell gas.

Sheetz and Wawa are too low class for FFx.Have you ever really looked at the kind of people who shop there?rednecks,niggerz ect.nasty trash.

Previous poster is correct - it's part of the Fairfax County Code. It's been a few years, but as I recall (someone up for some research?) Article 20 limits a "service station/minimart" to 2500 sq ft max (including cashier areas) + food prep isn't allowed (beyond microwave prepared products).

TL;DR - it's against FFX county law

Do you really think FFX wants to become PWC?

You can find one right over the border in South Riding (loudoun) and one or more in Manassas (including one on 28).

Duh ! :) Wrote:
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> Do you really think FFX wants to become PWC?


There are plenty of sections that are as bad if not worse than PWC. Culmore, Hybla Valley, Centreville, Herndon, etc. I got out of Fairfax last year. Best decision I ever made.

Its zoning.

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> Its zoning.


No the board of supervisors kissed Exxons ass to put their corporate headquarters off Gallows road in the early 80s,part of the deal besides not paying any taxes was more than likely to make sure low cost gas stations were not allowed in the county to cut into their excessive profits.

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> NRA 75 Wrote:
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> > Its zoning.
>
>
> No the board of supervisors kissed Exxons ass to
> put their corporate headquarters off Gallows road
> in the early 80s,part of the deal besides not
> paying any taxes was more than likely to make sure
> low cost gas stations were not allowed in the
> county to cut into their excessive profits.


Proof? Or mere speculation?

nastytrash Wrote:
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> Sheetz and Wawa are too low class for FFx.Have you
> ever really looked at the kind of people who shop
> there?rednecks,niggerz ect.nasty trash.

As opposed to the high-class folks who hang out at the FFX 7-11s? ICE could meet their monthly quotas just doing sweeps at 7-11 parking lots. Check out the scum at the 7-11 at 50 and Airline Pkwy, for example.

"No the board of supervisors kissed Exxons ass to put their corporate headquarters off Gallows road in the early 80s"

The farce is strong with this one...

The funny thing is no in Sheetz in Fairfax but their HQ is on Prosperity rd in Fairfax!!!

I once shat at a sheetz when I sharted in the sheets parking lot. Shatting at a sheetz is nice because their sheet rooms are da sheetz! Nice and clean!

I would like a Sheetz in the 11th district. I love, love, love their chili dogs and jelly donuts. You can get a blumpkin here also or a bumper. I aim to please my subjects. I will bring you a Sheetz with CERT on site all day and night.

I always wonder why FFX and northen VA missed out on so many stores

Sheetz,
WaWa
White Castel
Jack n The Box
Steak n Shake
Sonic

to name a few

I know most of them are due to corporate structure, but if you drive around Cali, it's amazing the selection of food and stores they have.

Don't forget Krystal Burger

Gerry Connolly Wrote:
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> I would like a Sheetz in the 11th district. I
> love, love, love their chili dogs and jelly
> donuts. You can get a blumpkin here also or a
> bumper. I aim to please my subjects. I will bring
> you a Sheetz with CERT on site all day and night.


There's a Sheetz in the 11th, dumbass.

yo, ger Wrote:
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> Gerry Connolly Wrote:
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> > I would like a Sheetz in the 11th district. I
> > love, love, love their chili dogs and jelly
> > donuts. You can get a blumpkin here also or a
> > bumper. I aim to please my subjects. I will
> bring
> > you a Sheetz with CERT on site all day and
> night.
>
>
> There's a Sheetz in the 11th, dumbass.


Dale City if my gerrymandering, weaseling of 11 worked.

If I recall correctly I think there is a Sheetz(or maybe a Wawa) on the FFX side of the border with Alexandra. Saw it once while driving by on my way to work.

Sheetz near Alexandra Wrote:
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> If I recall correctly I think there is a Sheetz(or
> maybe a Wawa) on the FFX side of the border with
> Alexandra. Saw it once while driving by on my way
> to work.


Oh this is grand! Thank you! Remember to vote for me, and now I have a better spot to eat hotdogs, fart, and drink beers with Jim.

Gerry Connolly Wrote:
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> Sheetz near Alexandra Wrote:
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> > If I recall correctly I think there is a
> Sheetz(or
> > maybe a Wawa) on the FFX side of the border
> with
> > Alexandra. Saw it once while driving by on my
> way
> > to work.
>
>
> Oh this is grand! Thank you! Remember to vote for
> me, and now I have a better spot to eat hotdogs,
> fart, and drink beers with Jim.

Gerry if you can bring more Sheetz, Wawa's, and bring back Jack in the Box, you'll have my vote!
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