Ok here's my dilema. My brother who is 3 yrs older than me got arrested for driving on suspended license and got out after he posted bail. So he couldn't drive any longer. Few months back he got stopped by the police and he used my cousins identity to get outta ticket. My cousin knew about it, but forgot to pay the fine. Now fast forward to today, and they were Sheriff Deputies at our house looking for him. I guess if you don't pay or goto court they put out an arrest warrent for you. Anyways my cousin is now few months away from getting his citizenship. Would he get deported over this or have his application for citizenship denied?

I'm a lawyer, but not an immigration lawyer or a criminal lawyer, so this is just a guess...

But yeah, I think this could get his application denied. If he explains that your brother lied to the cops (and he will explain that), then it probably turns out okay for your cousin. But your brother's got a problem.

Ok Chuck, thanks for the advise.

Your brother forged a public document and provide false info 2 the police i am sure 1 of them is a felony and that will get him kicked out. If ur cousin aided him then him 2.

Legal question Wrote:
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> Would he get deported
> over this or have his application for citizenship
> denied?

Hopefully.

You've definitely come to the right place.

Legal question Wrote:
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> Ok here's my dilema. My brother who is 3 yrs older
> than me got arrested for driving on suspended
> license and got out after he posted bail. So he
> couldn't drive any longer. Few months back he got
> stopped by the police and he used my cousins
> identity to get outta ticket. My cousin knew about
> it, but forgot to pay the fine. Now fast forward
> to today, and they were Sheriff Deputies at our
> house looking for him. I guess if you don't pay or
> goto court they put out an arrest warrent for you.
> Anyways my cousin is now few months away from
> getting his citizenship. Would he get deported
> over this or have his application for citizenship
> denied?

LOL u dummy

Legal question Wrote:
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> Ok here's my dilema. My brother who is 3 yrs older
> than me got arrested for driving on suspended
> license and got out after he posted bail. So he
> couldn't drive any longer. Few months back he got
> stopped by the police and he used my cousins
> identity to get outta ticket. My cousin knew about
> it, but forgot to pay the fine. Now fast forward
> to today, and they were Sheriff Deputies at our
> house looking for him. I guess if you don't pay or
> goto court they put out an arrest warrent for you.
> Anyways my cousin is now few months away from
> getting his citizenship. Would he get deported
> over this or have his application for citizenship
> denied?


Were they looking for your cousin? Did they take fingerprints of your brother? Do they know about the ID fraud? If they don't know and all parties play along, your cousin will be guilty of failure to appear on the charge, which, if only a misdemeanor charge ( non domestic assault or fraud/theft), should not jeopardize with his citizenship approval.

If, however, they become aware of the deceit, you're brother could be found guilty of felony identification fraud (if he is not a citizen and found guilty, he will be deported) ; if they find out your cousin knew about it and was a party to this deception, his citizenship will be denied and he will be deported as well.

Thanks to the Criminal Justice system, having steps in place, to get rid of illegals who in addition to being illegal commit more illegal activities. Buh bye.

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These fucking illegals...I tell ya'...

If we don't deport these lying sons of bitches then they drive planes into buildings and everyone accuses us of being soft on terrorism.

If we do deport them, everyone accuses us of being intolerant to illegals. (As if we're supposed to be tolerant of people whose very existance in this country is a felony to begin with...)

Hey fuck shit, Do not come here Illegally and expect to further your crimal activities. Go back to the shit hole you climbed out of and try that there.
Fuck You and the river you swam across.

What the fuck does this look like, a 7-11? Home Depot?


Get the fuck out of here you nasty illegal.

Wyatt Earp Wrote:
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> These fucking illegals...I tell ya'...
>
> If we don't deport these lying sons of bitches
> then they drive planes into buildings and everyone
> accuses us of being soft on terrorism.
>
> If we do deport them, everyone accuses us of being
> intolerant to illegals. (As if we're supposed to
> be tolerant of people whose very existance in this
> country is a felony to begin with...)

Actually, it's not a felony. In fact, it's not even a misdemeanor. Being here illegally isn't a violation of the criminal code at all. Sad but true.

And that's part of the problem ...

Gunner Wrote:

> Actually, it's not a felony. In fact, it's not
> even a misdemeanor. Being here illegally isn't a
> violation of the criminal code at all. Sad but
> true.
>
> And that's part of the problem ...


Thats sort of true. It is a federal crime, but you are correct in terms of locally it all depends on where it is. Many local governments have no laws against it leaving the local police unable to enforce immigration. Fairfax county police are opposed to doing enforcement for this and have given hints they would refuse to do so even if a law was passed.

For this instance however lying about who you are to the police is a crime and they could charge him with that.

where did any of you fucktards read that he is an illegal? there are legal forms of immigration you know

riley Wrote:
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> where did any of you fucktards read that he is an
> illegal? there are legal forms of immigration you
> know


"Anyways my cousin is now few months away from getting his citizenship. Would he get deported over this or have his application for citizenship denied?"


He said himself he isnt a citizen

he said it Wrote:
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> riley Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > where did any of you fucktards read that he is
> an
> > illegal? there are legal forms of immigration
> you
> > know
>
>
> "Anyways my cousin is now few months away from
> getting his citizenship. Would he get deported
> over this or have his application for citizenship
> denied?"
>
>
> He said himself he isnt a citizen


i'm stunned by the ignorance in this thread. sheer idiocy, really. not being a citizen does not mean you are here illegally. how the fuck do you think people get sworn in as naturalized citizens at public ceremonies before a judge if they are all illegal? i mean how fucking stupid are you?

riley Wrote:

> i'm stunned by the ignorance in this thread.
> sheer idiocy, really. not being a citizen does
> not mean you are here illegally. how the fuck do
> you think people get sworn in as naturalized
> citizens at public ceremonies before a judge if
> they are all illegal? i mean how fucking stupid
> are you?


People get sworn in from all over. They can come from other countries, they can be here on visas, and yes in fact they can be illegals. What do you think amnesty programs are and things that allow illegals to become citizens if they have been here long enough, or get married to a citizen or have an anchor baby.


Its understandable to disagree with some of the stuff people said. But, you should really know what youre talking about before going off on people and calling them fucking stupid.

riley Wrote:

> not being a citizen does
> not mean you are here illegally.


Ps its much more likely that someone who isnt a citizen will be an illegal than someone here legally going by the numbers. Its not a far reach to make that assumption

Wyatt Earp Wrote:
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> These fucking illegals...I tell ya'...
>
> If we don't deport these lying sons of bitches
> then they drive planes into buildings and everyone
> accuses us of being soft on terrorism.
>
> If we do deport them, everyone accuses us of being
> intolerant to illegals. (As if we're supposed to
> be tolerant of people whose very existance in this
> country is a felony to begin with...)


Since when an illegal can drive plane into building dude if u give me one illegal who's done this tell me

I guess asking if the OP has insurance is laughable

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> Since when an illegal can drive plane into
> building dude if u give me one illegal who's done
> this tell me


Yes I can, at least 3 of the 9-11 hijackers had expired visas making them illegals in the country.

GTFO
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> riley Wrote:
>
> > not being a citizen does
> > not mean you are here illegally.
>
>
> Ps its much more likely that someone who isnt a
> citizen will be an illegal than someone here
> legally going by the numbers. Its not a far reach
> to make that assumption


again, you're a fucking moron, and are ceding my point that nothing in the original post indicates he is here illegally. if you are on a timetable for citizenship then you are clearly not here illegally.

riley Wrote:

> again, you're a fucking moron, and are ceding my
> point that nothing in the original post indicates
> he is here illegally. if you are on a timetable
> for citizenship then you are clearly not here
> illegally.


Again it is you who clearly doesnt know what youre talking about. Just because you are on a time table doesnt mean that you are here legally. You can apply for it after visas have expired, or after being here for a while as an illegal

yes Wrote:
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> Robbie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Since when an illegal can drive plane into
> > building dude if u give me one illegal who's
> done
> > this tell me
>
>
> Yes I can, at least 3 of the 9-11 hijackers had
> expired visas making them illegals in the country.

Hey Robbie...as yes pointed out, the guys who drove planes into buildings on 9/11 were illegals. If the immigration system was working the way it should have been working (which is what we now call "how it works in the wake of 9/11"), then people in the US on visas should depart the US once it has expired and immigration (or "ICE" and it is now called) should have followed up until they determined definitively whether those guys were still here beyond their expired visa dates.

I work for Booz Allen Hamilton. In my department, nine days after 9/11 immigration officers came to my workplace and rounded up 3 Canadian student interns to IAD and put them on the next plane home. Why? Their visa's had expired.

We got it sorted out after a few weeks. It turned out their renewal/reapplication paperwork had been delayed in the mail system and didn't get there in time. It sucked to see them cuffed and stuffed but, once your visa expires if you're not gone our government will see to it that you are gone.

This is reality. Now you can sit there and bitch and complain but, you're really better off learning the laws and abiding by them because I can assure you that whether you avail yourself of our laws or not...they will be applied to you. And if you are here illegally, they will be applied with extreme prejudice.

ok, so because it's technically possible he MIGHT be an illegal immigrant, he therefore MUST be an illegal immigrant. finally, i understand.

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> ok, so because it's technically possible he MIGHT
> be an illegal immigrant, he therefore MUST be an
> illegal immigrant. finally, i understand.


Someone who isnt a citizen is much more likely to be illegal than have a current visa. Its simple statistics. We didnt make the demographics. Its not that hard to understand.

youre mostly right Wrote:
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> Gunner Wrote:
>
> > Actually, it's not a felony. In fact, it's not
> > even a misdemeanor. Being here illegally isn't
> a
> > violation of the criminal code at all. Sad but
> > true.
> >
> > And that's part of the problem ...
>
>
> Thats sort of true. It is a federal crime, but
> you are correct in terms of locally it all depends
> on where it is. Many local governments have no
> laws against it leaving the local police unable to
> enforce immigration. Fairfax county police are
> opposed to doing enforcement for this and have
> given hints they would refuse to do so even if a
> law was passed.
>
> For this instance however lying about who you are
> to the police is a crime and they could charge him
> with that.


No - I don't think so. It's not a federal crime at all to be here illegally. That's my whole point. If we criminalized illegal immigration we could put them in jail and potentially deter others from crossing the border. As it is, being here illegally is not a chargeable offense, all we can do is deport them.

Gunner Wrote:

> No - I don't think so. It's not a federal crime
> at all to be here illegally. That's my whole
> point. If we criminalized illegal immigration we
> could put them in jail and potentially deter
> others from crossing the border. As it is, being
> here illegally is not a chargeable offense, all we
> can do is deport them.


It is a crime thats why they get deported. We dont jail them for practical reasons including money, space ect. Jailing anyone trying to cross the boarder illegally is just not possible without making Soviet style labor camps somewhere. If it wasnt a crime we wouldnt even be able to deport them

no Wrote:
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> riley Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ok, so because it's technically possible he
> MIGHT
> > be an illegal immigrant, he therefore MUST be
> an
> > illegal immigrant. finally, i understand.
>
>
> Someone who isnt a citizen is much more likely to
> be illegal than have a current visa. Its simple
> statistics. We didnt make the demographics. Its
> not that hard to understand.


The person in question isn't just "someone who isn't a citizen". The person in question is on a timetable for citizenship, actively pursuing it, and practically there. That's an extra piece of information that alters the statistical comparison fundamentally. You aren't comparing 20 million to 12 million (hardly overwhelming enough to justify an assumption, and the 20 million figure is at the upper end of an estimate which is probably more like 15 million). You're comparing the fraction of illegals who go through the process of applying for citizenship status to the number of legal immigrants, of the 8 million eligible, who apply for citizenship status. Hardly the same thing and doubtless not favoring illegals in comparison to the simple stat you allude to-which as ive shown doesnt support your idiotic assumption anyways

riley Wrote:

> The person in question isn't just "someone who
> isn't a citizen". The person in question is on a
> timetable for citizenship, actively pursuing it,
> and practically there. That's an extra piece of
> information that alters the statistical comparison
> fundamentally. You aren't comparing 20 million to
> 12 million (hardly overwhelming enough to justify
> an assumption, and the 20 million figure is at the
> upper end of an estimate which is probably more
> like 15 million). You're comparing the fraction
> of illegals who go through the process of applying
> for citizenship status to the number of legal
> immigrants, of the 8 million eligible, who apply
> for citizenship status. Hardly the same thing and
> doubtless not favoring illegals in comparison to
> the simple stat you allude to-which as ive shown
> doesnt support your idiotic assumption anyways


Actually the 20 million is on the lower end. No one knows how many their are because they are exactly that illegal and stay out of the public eye. You have shown anything. Youve thrown out a couple numbers with 0 sources and think that 20 million to 12 million isnt a significant difference despite the fact that the extra 8 million is 2/3rds of the 12 million number.

Plenty of illegals apply for citizenship while in the country. Furthermore the actions in questions have to do with criminal activity and lieing about who they are to the police. Illegals lie about who they are not normal people. The behavior being described would lead any rational thinking person to assume they are illegals as opposed to thinking theyre hear legally and just decided to lie for no reason.

I've been hearing 12 million for a decade now.

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> I've been hearing 12 million for a decade now.


Exactly, theres most likely 12 million in CA alone if not more.