I don't want to alarm anyone, but I just snapped these pictures of a some very strange objects in the skies near the airport. You can clearly see the "Chemtrail" lines in the sky at the higher altitude. A plane coming into Dulles Airport can be seen flying in towards the Airport so you have that to use as scale.

Here are the pictures. What do you think???
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Chemtrail conspiracy theory
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

The chemtrail conspiracy theory holds that some trails left by aircraft are actually chemical or biological agents deliberately sprayed at high altitudes for purposes undisclosed to the general public in clandestine programs directed by government officials.

As a result of the popularity of the conspiracy theory, official agencies have received thousands of complaints from people who have demanded an explanation. The existence of chemtrails has been repeatedly denied by government agencies and scientists around the world, who say the trails are normal contrails. The United States Air Force maintains that the theory is a hoax which "has been investigated and refuted by many established and accredited universities, scientific organizations, and major media publications". The United Kingdom's Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs has stated that chemtrails are not scientifically recognized phenomena. The Canadian Leader of the Government in the House of Commons has rejected the idea of chemtrails as being a "popularised expression", adding that "there is no scientific evidence to support their existence."

The term chemtrail is derived from "chemical trail", in the similar fashion that contrail is a portmanteau of condensation trail. It does not refer to common forms of aerial spraying such as crop dusting, cloud seeding, skywriting, or aerial firefighting. The term specifically refers to aerial trails allegedly caused by the systematic high-altitude release of chemical substances not found in ordinary contrails, resulting in the appearance of uncharacteristic sky tracks. Supporters of this conspiracy theory speculate that the purpose of the chemical release may be for solar radiation management, population control, weather control, or biological warfare/chemical warfare and claim that these trails are causing respiratory illnesses and other health problems

A high-flying jet leaving a condensation trail (contrail) (Example photo from Wikipedia)...
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Let's start off with a quick review of what we know. To date, nearly 400 interviews and reports from every corner of the USA, as well as Canada and Great Britain describe an aerial phenomenon underway for at least the past several years with a "quickening" in activity over the past four months.

Active duty military personnel, police officers, pilots and defense specialists - as well as hundreds of everyday Americans quite used to seeing aircraft contrails and normal flight operations near airports or over long-established routes - independently confirm the presence of multiple "lines in the sky" being purposefully laid by large jet tankers (usually white in color and always without identifying markings) over cities and rural areas.

As many as 20, 30 or more "contrails" are woven over hours into lattice-like grid patterns. "Tic-tac-toe in the sky" or "furrowing a farm field" are expressions commonly used to describe these multiple-aircraft maneuvers, in which white contrail-like emissions linger for hours, gradually spreading into a hazy overcast that completely obscures clear blue skies.

Normal contrails form when ice-crystals are disturbed by the passage of an airplane at high (cold) altitudes. Streaming from engines and wingtips, pencil-thin contrails almost always disappear within 45 seconds, fading quickly like the wake behind a boat. While ice-crystal contrails can occasionally persist for hours, forming cirrus-type clouds that drift over a large area - particularly over high-traffic routes such as the Atlantic corridor between the USA and Europe - the "chemtrails" being reported daily by many independent eye-witnesses always linger for hours, forming an overcast from which veils of wispy fallout are often observed. In some cases, commercial jetliners flying across these persistent grid-patterns lay normal contrails that disappear quickly alongside lingering "chemtrails".

Usually laid in an east-west direction, with characteristic "X"s and criss-cross trails also often observed, jets layering these deliberate "chemtrails" have often been observed switching their emissions off as they approach mountains or other geographically delineating features, only to turn their spray back on after making their turns back over the area being gridded.

We also know that incidents of acute respiratory illness - including bronchitis, pneumonia and first-time asthma attacks are at what doctors are calling "epidemic" levels across the USA and Great Britain. Fatalities - mostly among the elderly and immune-compromised - have exceeded 8,100 dead in England in the last week of December and first two weeks of January, 1999 according to the BBC.

Other observers report spraying from black, unmarked helicopters and twin-turboprop aircraft flying at rooftop level, often but not always at night. Incidents of chemicals being dumped from unmarked helicopters into municipal reservoirs have also been reported.

While "chemtrail" sightings have attracted strident attacks for lack of proof, videotape clearly shows billowing white spray being emitted from the tails of jets with wing-mounted engines, as well as from the wing sections outboard of the engines and inboard of the wingtips. These are the precise locations of wing- and tail-mounted refueling probes on tanker aircraft.

Normal contrails emanate only from engines and wingtips.

Intense aerial spraying is being reported over: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, Virginia, South Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Washington State, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming.

Typical comments from observers:

"I was highly skeptical at first, but past work with the State Department is making me more and more convinced that something really is going on here."

"This was like nothing I have ever seen before. The contrails are different from 'normal' everyday passenger aircraft contrails."

"I cannot recall ever seeing contrails remain so long after the aircraft passed by!"

"I've lived here for 26 years never seeing this number of contrails at once."

"Many times I have seen the day start out with clear skies and look cloudy by mid-afternoon."

"They don't dissipate right away, they like linger, hang there. But they were so heavily concentrated that I just about fell over."

"They were X'ing, probably 50, 100 of them, as far as I could see."

"I just happened to glance up to the sky and there they were: a gigantic X directly overhead and multiple X's in the sky. I almost crapped my pants. They covered the whole sky!"

"They look like they're playing tic-tac-toe up there. You know darn well it's not passenger planes."

"We're getting sprayed real heavily with the contrails. It's just total saturation."

"Now, the skies never seem to be blue. They are often pale white, similar to a complete canopy of light cirrus clouds, but they are not clouds. There are white streaks across the sky, horizon to horizon - literally so many that you can't count them because they all blend together."

"As I stood there, one of the planes passed directly over my home. This time I could see something coming out of the plane!"

"Cobweb-like strands falling from the sky."

"What the heck is this stuff?"

"This wasn't a jet contrail and some people have been sick, me for one."

"I am never sick and never have been. I repeat: never sick."

"People are getting sick."

"Boy am I sick!"

"Symptoms start with a killer headache."

"I can't get rid of this cold. I've had this bad headache - it's not just aheadache. My eyeballs hurt so bad - way in the back - I just wish they would fall out."

"All the hospitals were full and no one can seem to shake it."

"Antibiotics do not help!"

"I have never been so sick in my life."

"When I thought I was finally getting over the symptoms I had been suffering from for months, they all began again."

"Another friend Robert's daughter has diarrhea so bad. I seem to remember contrails."

"What on earth is going on?"

"What do we do now?"

What we do now is begin to bring our separate concerns together into single voice demanding answers and action from our elected officials at the county and state levels. With this same voice, we can insist that national media focused on distraction begin to actively investigate and report this nationwide phenomenon.

-- One way to do this is to post the email addresses by state and region of all Chemtrails Network members who agree to this proposal so that people in the same locality can compare experiences and lobby together for action. Please let me know if you are willing to pass your email address (no names) to a few other folks reporting chemtrails and/or sickness in your area.

-- We also need more documented, uncontaminated samples for analysis. If you are in a heavy spray area, lay out a hot-water sterilized plastic groundsheet to collect fallout photographed or videotaped from overflying aircraft. Using rubber gloves, a large metal spoon and a good mask or respirator, collect this sample material into a sterile glass jar labeled with the date, time and location - and take it to your nearest university or other independent testing lab. Ask the lab to look for:

A. JP8 jet fuel, particularly the highly toxic component ethylene dibromide.

B. Living pathogens such as variants of Pseudomonas and E. coli.


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For those who wanted more on the law making it legal for the US military to conduct biological warfare experiments on the American people, please see: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1520.html

United States Code TITLE 50 - WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE CHAPTER 32 - CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM Sec. 1520. Use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents by Department of Defense.

Note this law was repealed in November, 1997. The law that replaced it says in part:

U.S. CODE TITLE 50, SECTION 1520(a) S 1520. Repealed. Pub Law. 105-85, Div. A, Title X, S 1078(g), Nov. 18, 1997, 111 Stat. 1916S 1520a. Restriction on the use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents

(a) Prohibited activities The Secretary of Defense may not conduct (directly or by contract)- (1) any test or experiment involving the use of a chemical agent or biological agent on a civilian population; or (2) any other testing of a chemical agent or biological agent on human subjects.

(b) Exceptions Subject to subsections (c), (d), and (e) of this section, the prohibition in subsection (a) of this section does not apply to a test or experiment carried out for any of the following purposes: (1) Any peaceful purpose that is related to a medical, therapeutic, pharmaceutical, agricultural, industrial, or research activity. (2) Any purpose that is directly related to protection against toxic chemicals or biological weapons and agents. (3) Any law enforcement purpose, including any purpose related to riot control.

Think it can't be done in the land of the free? Think again. "Open Air" biowar testing has been carried out in American cities since 1949.

From Douglas Walker :

A Partial History of Secret U.S. Government Programs

1950 In an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Francisco. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the city in order to test the extent of infection. Many residents become ill with pneumonia-like symptoms.

1951 Department of Defense begins open air tests using disease-producing bacteria and viruses. Tests last through 1969 and there is concern that people in the surrounding areas have been exposed.

1953 U.S. military releases clouds of zinc cadmium sulfide gas over Winnipeg, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Fort Wayne, the Monocacy River Valley in Maryland, and Leesburg, Virginia. Their intent is to determine how efficiently they could disperse chemical agents.

Joint Army-Navy-CIA experiments are conducted in which tens of thousands of people in New York and San Francisco are exposed to the airborne germs Serratia marcescens and Bacillus glogigii.

1955 The CIA, in an experiment to test its ability to infect human populations with biological agents, releases a bacteria withdrawn from the Army's biological warfare arsenal over Tampa Bay, Fl.

1956 U.S. military releases mosquitoes infected with Yellow Fever over Savannah, Ga and Avon Park, Fl. Following each test, Army agents posing as public health officials test victims for effects.

1966 U.S. Army dispenses Bacillus subtilis variant Niger throughout the New York City subway system. More than a million civilians are exposed when army scientists drop lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto ventilation grates.

1977 Senate hearings on Health and Scientific Research confirm that 239 populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. Some of the areas included San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Key West, Panama City, Minneapolis, and St. Louis.

1987 Department of Defense admits that, despite a treaty banning research and development of biological agents, it continues to operate research facilities at 127 facilities and universities around the nation.

Conspiracy Theory Wrote:
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> I don't want to alarm anyone, but I just snapped
> these pictures of a some very strange objects in
> the skies near the airport. You can clearly see
> the "Chemtrail" lines in the sky at the higher
> altitude. A plane coming into Dulles Airport can
> be seen flying in towards the Airport so you have
> that to use as scale.
>
> Here are the pictures. What do you think???

I see several of what appear to be contrail lines off in the West / Northwest skies. They appear to be moving either towards Dulles Airport or into Fairfax County near Centreville / Chantilly. I count maybe four or five coming from that direction. Curiously though, I don't see any headed from any other direction. (One would think there would be contrail trails from the South, East, etc).

I live over in South Riding and this is what I'm seeing right now in the skies above us.
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You people are mentally ill and need to be medicated.

Deepthroat Wrote:
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> I see several of what appear to be contrail lines
> off in the West / Northwest skies. They appear to
> be moving either towards Dulles Airport or into
> Fairfax County near Centreville / Chantilly. I
> count maybe four or five coming from that
> direction. Curiously though, I don't see any
> headed from any other direction. (One would think
> there would be contrail trails from the South,
> East, etc).

Here are some more pictures. Now there are 6 or 7 of them coming in from the North, Northwest, Northeast, and a few from the East. All of them are flying too high to be planes taking off or landing at Dulles, so what could they possibly be???
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Thank you for sharing all these great pictures from your house, of the sky at the airport. That is from airplanes. Do they not teach that in second grade anymore?

SCAM Wrote:
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> Thank you for sharing all these great pictures
> from your house, of the sky at the airport. That
> is from airplanes. Do they not teach that in
> second grade anymore?

That's what I thought at first too but if you look at his pictures, there's no plane (jet or propeller based) in front of the contrail lines. Plus there are so many, I count at least six or seven all running parallel to each other. How do you explain that?

If they are planes they are at to high all altitude to be coming into or leaving Dulles.

That one picture from Concerned Neighbor looks like two UFO's were doing insane zig zag patterns! Are they playing football up there?

These ontrails look they are from a fighter jet blanketed the sky in a "criss-cross" or graph formation... similar to the incident a few years ago on sept. 22

Lay off the shrooms dude.

Wikipedia plays games with this information. Check out the talk pages for discussions about what they are censoring and the absurd reasoning used to do it. Some real information is there, but is scattered. Look up articles under geo-engineering. Similarly Wikipedia has two articles on the New World Order. One says it's not real and you're a anti-sematic if you believe in it (literally). The other says it is real, but it's a good thing, and again, you're anti-sematic if you don't like it. Ridiculous!

Obviously spraying aluminum to give us dementia and Alzheimer's is actually a good thing because it will block out the sun so global warming doesn't get us. Crops won't perform well, but Monsanto is saving us with aluminum resistant GMO's. Don't you dare be a science denier!

I think teaching about wind is not until a higher grade. That would explain the slight zig zag. The multiple lines, you answered it yourself. Multiple altitudes. The reason you do not see the aircraft is because of the poor camera used. Get a telescrope and you will see it says USAirways on the tail, United on the other.

I love how conspiracy theorists post these long ramblings that don't include any specific people, dates, or places.

Just unnamed, faceless people "confirm" it, and we hear 'typical comments from observers' - which observers?


It's the same way you can spot hoax chain emails - big on panic and alarm, little on substantive, confirmable detail.

SCAM Wrote:
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> Thank you for sharing all these great pictures
> from your house, of the sky at the airport. That
> is from airplanes. Do they not teach that in
> second grade anymore?

I took the OP's picture and circled the plane and the two objects on the contrails. Do they look like planes? No, they look like silver cigar shaped objects. These are clearly Unidentified Flying Objects flying in some kind of strange formation.
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They are a problem with your camera. I would get it repaired.

SCAM Wrote:
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> I think teaching about wind is not until a higher
> grade. That would explain the slight zig zag.
> The multiple lines, you answered it yourself.
> Multiple altitudes. The reason you do not see the
> aircraft is because of the poor camera used. Get
> a telescrope and you will see it says USAirways on
> the tail, United on the other.

snowdenscold Wrote:
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> I love how conspiracy theorists post these long
> ramblings that don't include any specific people,
> dates, or places.
>
> Just unnamed, faceless people "confirm" it, and we
> hear 'typical comments from observers' - which
> observers?
>
>
> It's the same way you can spot hoax chain emails -
> big on panic and alarm, little on substantive,
> confirmable detail.

Ladies and Gentlemen, these two are clearly members of the social elite who are trying very hard to disprove or debunk photographs taken by an ordinary citizen that prove the existance of UFOs in our skies near a major metropolitan airport. How can you argue with the pictures and the facts?

Go upstairs and ask your mom if she has any Valium. If not, make an appt. with your primary care physician and tell them your hallucinating and are prone to severe anxiety attacks. Then buy a better camera phone.

snowdenscold Wrote:
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> I love how conspiracy theorists post these long
> ramblings that don't include any specific people,
> dates, or places.
>
> Just unnamed, faceless people "confirm" it, and we
> hear 'typical comments from observers' - which
> observers?
>
>
> It's the same way you can spot hoax chain emails -
> big on panic and alarm, little on substantive,
> confirmable detail.

Hi, I was the one who started the post and these pictures were taken today outside on Route 28 at an office building exterior and parking lot about 3 1/2 miles away from Dulles Airport, just on the Fairfax County side. I took the pictures facing in every direction to capture all the contrails. There are so many I can't get them all in frame with the camera phone I have. I apologize for the quality.

I don't believe in UFOs but that's alot of air traffic in the skies isn't it?

John Holdren Wrote:
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> Wikipedia plays games with this information. Check
> out the talk pages for discussions about what they
> are censoring and the absurd reasoning used to do
> it. Some real information is there, but is
> scattered. Look up articles under geo-engineering.
> Similarly Wikipedia has two articles on the New
> World Order. One says it's not real and you're a
> anti-sematic if you believe in it (literally). The
> other says it is real, but it's a good thing, and
> again, you're anti-sematic if you don't like it.
> Ridiculous!
>
> Obviously spraying aluminum to give us dementia
> and Alzheimer's is actually a good thing because
> it will block out the sun so global warming
> doesn't get us. Crops won't perform well, but
> Monsanto is saving us with aluminum resistant
> GMO's. Don't you dare be a science denier!

+1 I agree! But why are there so many contrails in the sky like that? Seems like Dulles is stacking air traffic over Loudoun and Western Fairfax county today.

About 10 minutes ago, two fighter jets flew in from the North East and went into the direction of the other contrails. Also there was a regular plane coming in low heading towards Dulles from the North West.

Here are the pictures...
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And more pics...
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@ Conspiracy Theory - this is something that you and I should talk about. I have information that would be of interest to you. Could we meet at a Starbucks or something?

get a job

Notice how they all converge at a single point? If you start running now, you'll get there by sunset. Let us know what's there, will you?

Higher aptitude contrails are likely from National, BWI or another airport such as Andrews, JFK, etc.

I snapped these three pic's while I was driving down 66 towards Manassas. It looks like a fighter jet chasing after two UFOs.
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This thread is straight up retarded.

US government pilot Wrote:
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> @ Conspiracy Theory - this is something that you
> and I should talk about. I have information that
> would be of interest to you. Could we meet at a
> Starbucks or something?

I get off work at 4pm today, which Starbucks are you talking about? There's one over in Herndon that's close to me.

My husband and I can see them from our front lawn! What are they!?!

this video was shot this afternoon over in fairfax. one of the ufos was seen chasing after a small private plane after it left dulles airport.

Someone needs to learn about Victor Airways.

Haven't laughed so much in a long while. Some people have way too much time on their hands. Seriously these camera phones have created a whole new class of crazies.

I took these pictures from the Magruder's parking lot in Vienna. Strange cloud formations and jet streams. Could these be UFOes??
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A lot of the more credible reports are no doubt downplayed because someone has spotted some new military hardware being tested.

However, at the other end of the spectrum with "contactees" we have a phenomenon that is essentially an updated demonology that would be familiar to people in almost any culture at any point in history. We just dress it up as aliens with our expectations.

It's all possible. There was a great idea in New Zealand a few years back, for a Time Traveller's Conference. The idea being that time travellers from the future could attend and make themselves known. On the day, none did (that they're aware of) suggesting that either time travel won't be developed or that if it is developed, that they keep a low profile.

They even buzzed Washington, for Christ sake, in 1952. There were Foo Fighters trailing some of the planes in WWII. Jimmy Carter and Perez de Cuellar saw them.

I bet you even know people who have seen them.

In what way is it rational not to take UFOs seriously?

Grin Wrote:
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> They even buzzed Washington, for Christ sake, in
> 1952. There were Foo Fighters trailing some of the
> planes in WWII. Jimmy Carter and Perez de Cuellar
> saw them.
>
> I bet you even know people who have seen them.
>
> In what way is it rational not to take UFOs
> seriously?

It's irrational not to take UFOs seriously:

1. Disclosure
2. Military footage
3. Pics
4. History

The Nazi's invented disk shaped airoplanes in the late 30's. Then the Americans got excited and duplicated the effort. The U.S. Air Force started a rumour that aliens had come to earth in Roswell, NM in "flying saucers" and they were then able to continue their programme unhindered. Well, something like that but there are pictures on the Web.

The only UFO I have seen was after a visit to my parents. Dad and I were both interested in astronomy and as usual, on steping outside, glanced up into the night sky. Right above the house a bright orange light suddenly appeared. Dad went to get his binoculars, as it tracked silently south and vanished. We scanned the sky for any other signe of it, when it suddenly reappeared overhead again and followed the same track. This was repeated several more times, before it vanished altogether. There was never any sound, and through the binoculars, it looked no different to the unaided eye, which suggested it was at a great height. A genuine UFO, which I filed away in memory as possibly alien? The mystery was solved a few years later, when visiting a friend who had been a Vulcan bomber pilot in the RAF. I asked him if he had ever seen a UFO while flying, to which he replied 'No'. I then related the afore mentioned incident. It transpired that on occasions a Vulcan bomber would take off with a bloody big orange light in its belly. Fly a pre determined course and hight, usually 50,000+ft to provide optical ranging for the calibration of Bloodhound anti-aircraft missiles.
A few more years down the line, and an urgent call from my daughters, had me dashing into the back garden. What's that dad? asked my eldest daughter, to whom anything in the air, propeller driven or fast jet, had been an 'Old Dakota' for several years. There, plain as day, was an extra terrestrial vehicle. I say extra terrestrial, because if we had the technology that was keeping it in the air, we would be using it. There were none of the lights, bells and whistles we associate with the Hollywood variety. It was a clasic saucer shape. Small dome on top, a larger dish dome underneath. A large cymetrical saucer shaped center section. Only the mid-upper section was different to anything I have ever heard described. The whole thing was a matt black, but the mid-upper section I could just make out, as it got closer, was a series of panels which were ticking round at a regular rate of about one a second. This was because, rather like when you brush a velvet curtain one way , then another, it reflects the light differently. It was because of this effect I was able to make them out. My first thought had been, is it some kind of balloon? But quickly dismissed the idea, as a strong northeasterly wind was blowing,and this was tracking south, north, without deviation at a fair rate of knots.

So, you will always have your hoaxes, and misidentifications, but to brand every sighting as such, is a mistake. I know enough about the current state of our science and technology in terms of aviation and space flight to know that both in terms of power source and the technology that were keeping it in the air were way beyond anything we have developed on planet Earth! Therefore it has to be an extra terrestrial vehicle and identified as such.

Just an after thought on the 1967 student hoax. While we all scoff at the reaction of the government, police and military to it, it has just occured to me, that they may have reacted as they did, because somewhere within the government and military, there is a more secret source of knowledge that knows there is more to these sightings than just pranks and hoaxes. But the last thing they would want you to know, is that they have no control over it.

For the cognoscenti: Why our society finds it difficult to deal with this subject. It challenges our societal anthropocentric view.

"Sovereignty and The UFO"

by Professor Alexander Wendt of Ohio State University and Professor Raymond Duvall of the University of Minnesota.

Modern sovereignty is anthropocentric, constituted and organized by reference to human beings alone. Although a metaphysical assumption, anthropocentrism is of immense practical import, enabling modern states to command loyalty and resources from their subjects in pursuit of political projects. It has limits, however, which are brought clearly into view by the authoritative taboo on taking UFOs seriously...

http://ptx.sagepub.com/content/36/4/607.full.pdf

For some of the best sources see Dr. Richard Haines site:
http://www.narcap.org/

Best cases: Belgian triangle sightings (1989-1990)
Nash-Fortenberry sighting (1952) - multiple high speed glowing discs.

Holy Cow Batman! Wrote:
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> That one picture from Concerned Neighbor looks
> like two UFO's were doing insane zig zag patterns!
> Are they playing football up there?

Thirteen years ago a friend of mine, an engineer, asked me if I wanted to interview two couples who had a sighting of an object which flew alongside their car late at night down a motorway.

During the interview, in which they were clearly frightened and confused, they explained what happened. They wanted to get it out - that you could tell. We interviewed all four.

A large "mist" made several passes in front of their car and then lit up on the left of the car as a flattish rotating circular fluorescent "tube" with six or seven lights inside which did not move as the tube rotated (clockwise). The "tube" on the edge was brighter than central region containing the individual lights.
It paced the car for a several minutes, they all saw it, and sometimes tilted so as to look like an ellipse. Then it would tilt back assuming a circular shape again - still rotating.
It never moved more than 60 feet from its left hand position, at around 45 degrees angle to the car.

Then, without warning, it shot off and disappeared upwards.

That's the sighting and we have a two hour tape of the interview. They reported it to the local police. My friend heard about it as he was a member of a well known UK group based in London.

I often wonder what those stationary lights were in the plane of the object. Perhaps some kind of intelligences?

I've seen a UFO. I'm still totally baffled as to what I witnessed but it appeared solid and fsuddenly stopped and changed directions in a way no flying machine I am aware of can. I would love to know what I witnessed because I am sceptical of little green men but I certainly witnessed something I can't explain.

Man, you people are have got to be kidding! Lay off the dope!

If it is a big secret why don't they just fly at night?

ANYONE familiar with the AREA 51 conspiracies and theories? Just asking. Anyone believe that WE ARE NOT ALONE in the universe of outer space? Feel free to share your theories, experiences (IF you have had any) and whatever.

Is this a serious thread? Why don't one of you idiots with 20/20 vision join the Air Force so you can find out what's really going on?

Oh my way home from work this morning, i took this picture of a ufo hovering over rt 66. I guess they were looking down at all the stupid humans caught in traffic.


Sorry for the shitty quality. The ufo is the little white dot in the picture above the highway.
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CERT can go out and take picturez too

CERT good about handlin emergencys like this

I actually, genuinely saw some UFO's one night over South Riding (of all places).

Being something of an amateur astronomer I've always checking out the skies in case I need to get my scope setup and was doing so as I was driving down the hill towards the town when I saw 7 orange lights in the sky. Nothing particularly remarkable about them, could have been bright stars, except the skies were overcast.

My next thought was that they were planes, but as I drove on further it became apparent that they were stationary. I took a detour along 606 and rolled down my windows to see if they were helicopters, but I couldn't hear anything. Plus the orientation of them altered in the sky, they were definately above South Riding.

I didn't stop the car, but drove on home. There was nothing ominous or special about them, they were just stationary lights in the sky, hovering between the clouds and the town roofs (I've no idea of the height). But it did puzzle me as to exactly what they were.

It seems like making UFOs is easy. Any one can do it. Buy the parts online and assemble. Counter rotating discs and centrifuge. Who doesn't love conspiracy theories. Every decent thing I ever read had conspiracy in it. Fantasy is the best of all. It is so free and wonderful. Not at all like government and work life. Who doesn't like to make something out of nothing just to feel like something important is happening.

AREA 51 BELIEVER Wrote:
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> ANYONE familiar with the AREA 51 conspiracies and
> theories? Just asking. Anyone believe that WE ARE
> NOT ALONE in the universe of outer space? Feel
> free to share your theories, experiences (IF you
> have had any) and whatever.

Open your eyes.

The UFO conspiracy is deflecting tactic by the Bilderbergers to take truth-seekers away from finding out about the Common Purpose One World Government of Gordon Brown. I kid you not, ask Cameron, he has a swipe of the lizard about him.

When you look into the sky for UFOs you're not seeing the contrails that are released by secret military aircraft to poison our minds rendering us defenceless from the matrix paedophile agency we call a government.

How do I know? We've known all along that have secret UFO files, they keep telling us so. But do they - the PTB - tell you about anything other secrets they are holding? No, thefore they must be real secrets. Logic is the friend of the freeman against the domonation of the immigrant's friend, her majesty the queen.

Open your eyes.

The truth is out there. Its written in the Magna Carta.

Maybe.


You should read "The Dreamland Chronicles" by David Darlington

UFO over 66 Wrote:
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> Oh my way home from work this morning, i took this
> picture of a ufo hovering over rt 66. I guess they
> were looking down at all the stupid humans caught
> in traffic.
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> Sorry for the shitty quality. The ufo is the
> little white dot in the picture above the highway.

hey where were u on 66 when u took these?

Facts: A UFO is just that, unidentified. It takes a bizarre leap of logic to assume it’s somehow evidence of alien contact. It’s sort of a variation on the god of gaps argument, ‘I can’t explain something, therefore I can explain it.’

The concept of Alien life elsewhere in the universe is perfectly logical. After all we know that under the right conditions life can emerge and evolve, we are living evidence of this. Given the size and age of the universe this has almost certainly happened elsewhere.

But all this UFO, Alien Probes and Roswell stuff is just tin foil hat nonsense for cranks.

ok early this morning there was this small size star moving across the sky, NO it was not a plane i know what planes are.

it could of been a UFO or it could of been a moving planet moving extremely fast? i was lookin at it for about 3 minutes and then ran inside to get my camcorder to record it and when i came back outside i looked up then this blue light was circling around it and it dissapeared?

WTF DID I JUST SEE?

it was near 28 and rt 29

There is something out there, whether we choose the often childish, over-hyped science fiction theory of UFO or the non-secular, aggressively subdued-religious path of divine beings or even the local folk sightings of unearthly beings, of tales of long dead relatives living in another city, whichever one it is there is something beyond our physical world, beyond the cynical, gadget-crazy, science driven age.

I used to live in a city where a building built by a ghost still stands as a witness to a world beyond what we know. A chap died in a terrible accident before he could start a building project he had set out all the plans for in his hometown.

A couple of years down the line, a building project was nearing completion in a nearby city.

At some point in this building project, there was some kind of disagreement between the builders and the contractor handling the project. Builders felt short-changed and so insisted on having a word with the owner of the building to sort out all outstanding monies owed them. The contractor agreed, and so took the builders to see the owner.

One of the builders happened to be the relative of the long dead guy. It turned out the owner was his long dead relative!

He was so freaked out he excused himself and left and headed back to home to break the news to his family.

That was the last time the contractor and builders saw or heard anything from the owner. He left town!

That building is still standing there in Richmond today.

There are probably similar stories all around the world which mainstream society pretends to be untrue because there is no scientic evidence to prove these to be true.

There is something out there!

I will always remember the old Outer Limits TV show when a UFO was landing on earth and in desperate radio contact as it was crash landing. Once it had landed outside the building the men rush out to greet them only to step on their craft and destroy them as it was only 1 inch wide !

If they exist I hope they have an Earth repair kit with them.

UFO over 66 Wrote:
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> Oh my way home from work this morning, i took this
> picture of a ufo hovering over rt 66. I guess they
> were looking down at all the stupid humans caught
> in traffic.
>
>
> Sorry for the shitty quality. The ufo is the
> little white dot in the picture above the highway.

OMG! I saw it too!

Military Jets............... dumbasses, con trails are con trails.

While flying home from the west coast Oct 13, 2011 approx. 7:30pm pt I saw out of the right side of the airplane an extremely bright white light in the distance.

We were 15 minutes from landing so I am not sure where we were at dusk but the light was so unusual. I pointed it out to my Dad who was with me, I am not a child, 51.

The man behind me noticed it also and when I showed Dad he said he had been watching also. We eventually passed it out to the side of us and what seemed the same altitude. As we passed it over a 15 min. timeframe, it began to turn orange and was in a shape of a hot air balloon. It seemed to look like a balloon on fire hovering over this small patch of lights on the ground, a very small town if that.

After passing it, the object began to turn white again and got smaller and smaller until I couldn't see it. As we approached it over a 15 min timeframe the light was bright and slowly turned orange but the shape and brightness was the same but as we passed it and pulled away the light disentagrated in the same amount of time or less.

I mentioned it to the flight attendant, she looked at it and was just as amazed as I was. She said to ask the pilot about it when we land. There is NO WAY he could not have seen it. It was so close and bright. When I asked him about it, he said he didn't see anything. That tells me he knew something. Otherwise he would have said he saw it and didn't know what it could be. I took a picture with my cell phone camera and it showed two objects. The picture doesn't reflect what I saw.

I will never know but I do think I saw something unusual that was not from here. It was too high for a balloon, a rocket would have moved, and it was too low for a
Satellite.
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Hello,

I have also been researching the current UFO wave occurring in Virginia.
I have found a series of UFO sightings occurring in Virginia outside Washington DC. 2008 and now 2009 have been especially active. The most recent activity seems to be centered around the towns of Gainesville and Haymarket Va. The sightings are also being reported in the Fairfax county area as well. I was taking a smoke break yesterday after the skins game and saw UFOs streaking across the skies and changing direction like the photos posted in this thread. I was curious so I called the FAA. I was told that there were some reports of strange objects in the sky yesterday but the radar tower at Dulles only had "Ghost" images on their radar. Does anyone have any more information on this?

EVERYBODY REMAIN CALM. You and your family will remain safe if you follow the directions below...
1. Buy Aluminum foil. Any brand will do.
2. Unroll a sheet about 24 inches long. More if you have a largeish head
3. wrap the sheet around your head being sure to cover the top and your ears. Be careful not to tear the sheet if either your head or ears are pointed.

Wear this until the alien/government/whatever threat is over.

That is all for now.

I hope an alien runs for office, they couldn't be any worse than the Democrats or the Republicans could they?

President Xon spelling out his new 666 plan on "How to Serve Man".
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http://mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/manage_sighting_reports.pl?mode=view_long_desc&am...

This object was filmed over Fairfax, VA from ~ 6/7 - 8:30 p.m. on Sunday, May 29, 2011. It was visible from starting at approximately 6:30 p.m. and abruptly faded from sight at 8:43 exactly. It was seen for two evenings in a row. I constantly sky-gaze in this direction, watching flight and weather patterns, and I did not notice anything like this in the days or evenings beforehand.

It was originally seen in the North East sky and moved to the South East sky, where it started glowing blue and faded away at 8:45 p.m.

It is not Venus, as Venus, though visible during daylight this month, appears early morning. It is also not the ISS or Endeavor, as they were docked together, and were only visible that day over Asia.

It is also not Saturn. Although Saturn was visible during sunset this month, the light pollution and air pollution of this area at the time would have made it impossible to see at that time.

It also appeared much earlier than Saturn, and faded from view much earlier than Saturn, which should have been visible until near sunset. The direction it was first spotted, which was North East, does not fit the orbital location of Saturn at the time, which would put Saturn in the South Eastern sky.

The object also had a slightly erratic flight path, unlike that of a planet or star.

It is also oval shaped and bears a shadow on its bottom. If it WAS Saturn, or any planet, it's shadow would not be located there, considering the sun was hanging low in the sky, although not yet at horizon level.

My sources are Stellarium, Astronomy.com's StarDome and Google Earth which I used for exact directions, altitudes, and orbital information.

It is also not Arcturus, which glows yellow - orange in daylight and at night.

According to Stellarium, with an ocean landscape to simulate sea level (Fairfax is 312 above Sea level) and being set to Perspective mode and Equal Area mode, Arcturus would have only been directly North East at 4 p.m. Not only would I not be able to see it with this much daylight, it would be below our roof, right under the horizon, effectively out of sight completely. Even at 6 p.m. Arcturus would be directly East. At 6 p.m. the Object was North East. Saturn would be even farther to the right, and lower.

This video is not edited. I didn't know how to use the camera at first, so I didn't know I was recording in the beginning plus I felt that editing it would decrease credibility, so I left it unedited. And please excuse my language. My brother was being very annoying.

What I find very strange is that usually when a planet or bright star is observable during the daytime, they are usually mistaken for a UFO, and the reports pour in on MUFON and elsewhere. This is not the case.

This morning I saw a bright green small object falling from the sky at a very fast pace. The light was very bright almost like a neon green firework. It looked to almost fall to the ground before it disappeared. Looking up at the sky i saw 2 military jets circling the area. This was on the outer loop near Indian Head hwy where there is an Air Force base nearby. I felt very uneasy for about 2 hours after witnessing this. it seems like almost daily there is something in the media about UFO's and searching for life elsewhere. Anyone else feel like we are being warmed up for some big news?

Hello all. Please do not hesitate to contact MUFON and fill out a CMS sighting form and ask for me directly for UFO sightings as to landings, entities and related encounters. I'm Norm Gagnon, MUFON S.T.A.R. field investigator.

MUFON: http://www.mufon.com/
Direct email: SEARCH.investigator@gmail.com

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> > I love how conspiracy theorists post these long
> > ramblings that don't include any specific
> people,
> > dates, or places.
> >
> > Just unnamed, faceless people "confirm" it, and
> we
> > hear 'typical comments from observers' - which
> > observers?
> >
> >
> > It's the same way you can spot hoax chain emails
> -
> > big on panic and alarm, little on substantive,
> > confirmable detail.
>
> Hi, I was the one who started the post and these
> pictures were taken today outside on Route 28 at
> an office building exterior and parking lot about
> 3 1/2 miles away from Dulles Airport, just on the
> Fairfax County side. I took the pictures facing in
> every direction to capture all the contrails.
> There are so many I can't get them all in frame
> with the camera phone I have. I apologize for the
> quality.

I was responding more to Eyes on the Sky's first post - the first 2/3 of it where it looks just copied from some website.



Furthermore, if there was alien life form out there - isn't it a pretty odd coincidence that in the billions of years they've had, they finally decide to visit earth around the time we're finally starting to make progress in air and space?

And that most of the alleged sightings describe vehicles that mimic a combination of actual human engineering accomplishments and previous human imaginative efforts?

This doesn't seem odd to anyone?

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> > snowdenscold Wrote:
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> > -----
> > > I love how conspiracy theorists post these
> long
> > > ramblings that don't include any specific
> > people,
> > > dates, or places.
> > >
> > > Just unnamed, faceless people "confirm" it,
> and
> > we
> > > hear 'typical comments from observers' -
> which
> > > observers?
> > >
> > >
> > > It's the same way you can spot hoax chain
> emails
> > -
> > > big on panic and alarm, little on
> substantive,
> > > confirmable detail.
> >
> > Hi, I was the one who started the post and
> these
> > pictures were taken today outside on Route 28
> at
> > an office building exterior and parking lot
> about
> > 3 1/2 miles away from Dulles Airport, just on
> the
> > Fairfax County side. I took the pictures facing
> in
> > every direction to capture all the contrails.
> > There are so many I can't get them all in frame
> > with the camera phone I have. I apologize for
> the
> > quality.
>
> I was responding more to Eyes on the Sky's first
> post - the first 2/3 of it where it looks just
> copied from some website.
>
>
>
> Furthermore, if there was alien life form out
> there - isn't it a pretty odd coincidence that in
> the billions of years they've had, they finally
> decide to visit earth around the time we're
> finally starting to make progress in air and
> space?
>
> And that most of the alleged sightings describe
> vehicles that mimic a combination of actual human
> engineering accomplishments and previous human
> imaginative efforts?
>
> This doesn't seem odd to anyone?

To be frank several of us believe that the increase in UFO sightings recently corresponds to the increases in human activity worldwide. (Protests, regime changes, proliferation in warfare). If an alien were studying Earth and the "progress" of the human race, now would probably be a good time. (First black president, the economic collapse, etc).

This post is exactly why I read FU! It never disappoints!.

Hippies cause Intergalatic War!

SCIENCE!
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Shocking footage here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1-2k-tfjF4

Its very obvious that none of these pictures are planes. These are clearly UFO's moving at unimaginable speeds.

Pseudo-Science of Anti-Ufology
By Stanton T. Friedman
http://www.theufochronicles.com/2009_05_01_archive.html

ABSTRACT

There have been a number of remarks by people calling themselves scientists attacking the notion that any flying saucers are of alien origin. The arguments aren’t scientific, but rather represent research by proclamation rather than investigation. We can learn a lot about how to deal with these attacks by focusing on the claims that are made and what is irrational or illogical or just plain wrong about them. This is worth doing because often the claims are left unchallenged and college level students in science and journalism and the general public are taught baloney as if it were truth. They need ammunition from those of us in the scientific Ufological community in order to deal with the false arguments and illogicality of the pseudo-scientific anti-Ufologists. There are a number of demonstrably false claims which have been put forth such as there is no evidence, one can’t get here from there, Governments can’t keep secrets, if aliens were visiting they would want to talk to me, or land on the White House lawn. They also falsely claim that Occam’s Razor rules out UFO reality. Moreover, they claim that no scientists have seen a UFO. Phil Plait of the blog Bad Astronomy falsely claims that no astronomers or amateur astronomers have seen a UFO. This paper provides a guide for the perplexed about UFOs and their critics.


SUMMARY

For more than 60 years the primary approach by the media and scientific communities to the subject of UFOs and Flying Saucers has been based on pseudo-science. Proclamations and attacks, often given the appearance of being scientific, have been launched at every aspect of the phenomena. Despite an enormous array of real evidence and data, we have been treated to false claims, false reasoning, bias and ignorance. The basic rules of pseudo-science have been followed, including especially that there are no good reasons to present solid scientific information, that absence of evidence in the hands of the writers and proclaimers is proof of absence of such evidence, that everything claimed by a debunker must be true, that everything claimed by a believer is false, that one must denigrate “believers” and “buffs”, but accept all attacks as legitimate.


NEED TO LOOK AT EVIDENCE

Most graduate students are taught to begin a new research project with a literature search. See what has already been published before doing ones own work. No sense reinventing the wheel and certainly don’t make claims that can be destroyed by those more familiar with relevant past publications. Yet one of the most common and distressing aspects of the pseudo-scientific anti-Ufological literature is the failure of the pseudo-scientists to do their homework before putting their mouths or computers in gear. I am referring to evidence about large scale studies of sightings, landings, abductions, multiple witness radar visual cases, saucer crashes, government cover-ups, etc. As somebody very much concerned with advanced nuclear and space technology, I have been appalled by the silly pseudo-scientific statements that have been made about space travel, high acceleration travel and interstellar travel. As the original civilian investigator of the Roswell Incident, and a long-term investigator of the abduction of Betty and Barney Hill, I am equally appalled at the unscientific arguments made against these two bell-weather cases. The common features of these attacks include:

A. A failure to look at the literature that is available about all of these.

B. An unwillingness to recognize that the “specific details of how something is to be done” are very much more important than broad general notions about the laws of physics.

C. An enormous arrogance in thinking that if certain things were true or certain technologies were real, these all-wise pseudo-scientists would know about them. They don’t, so the notions must not be true. None of this is to say that there hasn’t been a lot of pro-UFO garbage published as well. But Ufologists tend to be critical of their own kind. The pseudo-scientific anti-Ufologists never seem to want to critique another debunker no matter how false the claims. They repeat the claims rather than pointing out the fallacies.

Some of my concerns go back to the time I spent in industry on highly classified advanced technology programs for big industrial concerns. Everything you wanted to publish outside the company, or at a professional meeting, had to be approved by more than one level of management. After all, the company’s good name was involved. Double-check everything. Equally relevant for me were the weekly science commentaries I did (for 6 years) for the Fredericton, New Brunswick, CBC radio station. I covered a huge range of topics and, since some people would believe me no matter what I said, I felt I had to check things out. I read widely and covered, medical, nuclear, Ufological, technological, etc, topics. I found that often the summaries and conclusions at the beginnings of the articles did not accurately reflect the actual findings. Axes were being ground. I found government agencies had no qualms about being pseudo-scientific, if it suited them. For example, I had done a radio piece on the importance of adequate intake of magnesium to assure a healthy cardiovascular system. Then I was surprised to see that the Canadian government had issued a new Recommended Daily Allotment that I felt was much too low. I found the person who had written the justification and wondered why there was no mention of the importance of Mg to a healthy heart. He said there was no connection. I rattled off some references. He changed direction and said there were no epidemiological studies. I asked about the outstanding work of Dr. Heikki Karppanen of Finland. The government “expert” hadn’t heard of any of HK’s six studies. HK had found a region of Finland where the people lived entirely off their own land and their Mg intake was determined by the local geology, since the amount in beef, grain, water, etc reflected local numbers. The greater the Mg level, the lower the heart disease problems. Such studies would be very hard to do in the USA or Canada. The official was speaking from ignorance. Sounded very much like a conversation with a pseudo-scientific anti-Ufologist.

I did a report on another highly touted study supposedly showing that everybody should reduce his or her intake of cholesterol. The small print in the back showed that the study was of the effectiveness of a cholesterol-reducing drug. The very large scale, long term, double blind placebo controlled (and very expensive) study included only men over the age of 40 whose cholesterol levels were in the top 10% or so. The results, highly touted in the press, could not at all be interpreted as showing that men and women, young and old, should use their drug. As a matter of fact the death rate was higher for stomach cancer amongst those on the drug than on the placebo. What is that old line about statistics and lies?


NOT ENOUGH DATA

One of the least scientific and most often claimed aspects of UFO sightings is that the only reason sightings can’t be explained is that there isn’t enough data. For more than 50 years this false, inaccurate, unsubstantiated claim has been repeated over and over again.

Here are some examples:

1. “The reliable cases are uninteresting and the interesting cases are unreliable. Unfortunately, there are no cases that are both reliable and interesting”. Dr. Carl Sagan, Astronomer, “Other Worlds” Bantam,1975, p. 113

2. “The unexplained sightings are simply those for which there is too little information to provide a solid factual basis for an explanation.” Ben Bova, Editor, ANALOG, December 1975.

3. “Almost every sighting is either a mistake or a hoax. These reports are so riddled with hoaxes and the flying saucers enthusiasts have so many cranks, freaks and nuts among them that Hynek [Dr. J. Allen] is constantly running the risk of innocently damaging his reputation by being confused with them.” Dr. Isaac Asimov “The Rocketing Dutchman” FANTASY and Science Fiction, February 1975, p.132

4. ”All non-explained sightings are from poor observers”. Dr. Donald Menzel, Astronomer, PHYSICS TODAY, June 1976


Perhaps the above 4 examples are all derived from this obviously (seemingly) scientific claim: 5. “On the basis of this study we believe that no objects such as those popularly described as flying saucers have over-flown the United States. I feel certain that even the unknown three percent could have been explained as conventional phenomena or illusions if more complete observational data had been obtained”. Donald A. Quarles, Secretary of the United States Air Force, October 25, 1955, Dept. of Defense press Release 1053-55. Very widely published in the press.

All the comments falsely sound as if they are based upon careful study of a large number of cases by professionals. Perhaps the first four represent an echo of the fifth. Obviously there could be no higher authority that the Secretary. of the USAF. The strange thing is that the press release, though given very wide distribution, never gave the title of the “study” on which the conclusions were supposedly based: “Blue Book Special Report Number 14”(Ref.1) More important, none of the data in 240 charts, tables, graphs and maps, were actually included in the supposed summary that accompanied the release. The release also didn’t mention who did the work: “Battelle Memorial Institute.” So far as I have been able to determine, none of the many newspapers that carried the release bothered to ask about any of these items. As far as the first four comments above went, no sources or references were cited. This is pseudo-science, especially considering that all the comments are totally and completely false… not just slanted or biased.

I have made a habit of starting most of my more than 700 college and professional group lectures with the data from BBSR 14. I also ask how many have read it; Typically 1-2%, sometimes 0. I discuss the actual facts at length in Chapter 1 of “Flying Saucers and Science” (Ref.2). In summary, the UNKNOWNS were 21.5% of the 3201 cases which were evaluated.(not 3%) They were completely separate and distinct from the 9.3% listed as Insufficient Information, despite the lie told by Quarles. It was also found that the better the quality of the sighting report, the more likely it was unexplainable. It was found that UNKNOWNS were observed for longer than KNOWNS. It was found that the probability that the UNKNOWNS were just missed knowns, based on a chi squared statistical comparison between the two groups, was less than 1%.Fewer than 2% were hoaxes despite Asimov’s false claim. How in the world can any professional continue, as they do, to make false claims such as those noted above? Why isn’t BBSR 14 cited in the debunking books? I know that Menzel had a copy from correspondence in his files at Harvard. Carl Sagan has volumes in which the data appear. I sent copies of data tables to Ben Bova and Isaac Asimov. Totally ignored. The rule is clearly “don’t bother me with the facts, my mind is made up.”

I found it very interesting when I read the University of Colorado “Scientific Study of UFOs (The Condon Report)”(Ref.3) that, despite its length (965 pages), and the presence of a whole chapter on government involvement in UFO investigations, that it, too, makes no mention of BBSR 14 which covered more than 25 times as many cases as Condon. I had written a letter to Condon talking about it, and he acknowledged it. This is pseudo-science, as was the press release sent out implying that nothing of interest to science came from the $539,000 study. As a matter of fact, according to a special UFO subcommittee that had been established by the world’s largest group of space scientists, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics,(Ref.4) “The opposite conclusions [to Condon’s negative statements] could have been drawn from the content of the report, namely that a phenomenon with such a high ratio of unexplained cases (30%) should arouse sufficient scientific curiosity to continue its study.” And yet numerous pseudo-scientific anti-Ufologists have acted as though the Condon report with its very strange statement of approval from Condon’s colleagues at the National Academy of Sciences,(no investigations had been checked) answered the question once and for all. Dr. Susan Clancy a pseudo-scientific abduction debunker totally misrepresented both the Condon Study and abductions in her book (Ref.5). I have detailed many of these in my review at www.stantonfriedman.com.

An important aspect of the scientific method is the requirement for focusing on the data relevant to the problem at hand. That most isotopes are not fissionable, or fusionable, does not mean none are; and that most metals are not heavier than uranium and don’t have melting points higher than that of tungsten does NOT mean that none do. That most possibly beneficial drugs do not cure any disease, doesn’t mean than none do. That most UFO sightings wind up, after investigation, as being Identifiable Flying Objects, does NOT mean that none are intelligently controlled extraterrestrial spacecraft, Their behavior and appearance indicate that they couldn’t have been built here, because we couldn’t then build things that look like that or fly like that. If we Earthlings could have, they would have been used in warfare.

A much more recent example of pseudo-science than those cited above occurred during a 3 hour debate on Coast to Coast Radio between myself and Dr. Michael Shermer, Editor and Publisher of SKEPTIC Magazine on August 1, 2007. We and host George Noory and others had appeared on Larry King 2 weeks earlier. Michael’s major activity on LK besides making false claims had consisted of playing with small alien dolls. Many asked why I hadn’t just punched him out (not my style). Anyway, he started on C to C by claiming that the only reason some sightings can’t be explained is that, as with other paranormal events, there is always in such matters a residue of about 5% that can’t be explained. Needless to say I blasted that bit of pseudo-science by quoting the numbers from BBSR 14 and the Condon report (21.5% and 30%) and from the other key sources noted above and below. It was interesting that Michael still had done no homework. In the interval I had examined two of his books and was able to quote from him as to why debunkers believe what they believe

1.”Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons”p.297 “Why People Believe Weird Things” Owl Books, 2002, p.297

2. The Confirmation Bias: “The tendency to seek or interpret evidence favorable to already existing beliefs, and to ignore or reinterpret evidence unfavorable to already existing beliefs”. Why People Believe Weird Things” p. 299.


Obviously these are right on about the pseudo-scientists.
The vote taken of listeners at the end was that 80% thought I had won the debate and 20% voted for Michael.


ANECDOTES

There are all kinds of comments to the effect that all there is on the UFO scene is anecdotal data. This is more pseudo-science. “Anecdote” is defined as “a short account of an interesting incident or event, often biographical” (Webster’s Encyclopedic Dictionary); also “a short story narrating a detached incident or fact of an interesting nature; a biographical incident; a single passage of private life” (New Webster’s Dictionary).

Only a pseudo-scientific anti-Ufologist could ignore the myriad of detailed investigations of important sightings that have been published. An excellent sampling of these is included in the US Government publication “Symposium on Unidentified Flying Objects”, July 29,1968, “Hearings by the House Committee on Science and Astronautics”.(Ref.6) The 246 page volume includes papers by 12 scientists covering a wide range of backgrounds. The best paper (71 pages long) is by Dr. James E. McDonald, which covers 41 cases. The famous RB 47 case involves detailed testimony from a well trained military crew of 7 flying a very sophisticated USAF RB-47 aircraft whose encounter with a UFO lasted almost an hour and was visually observed and by radar on the ground as well. This is absolutely not a detached incident and certainly not an anecdote. Of course the pseudo-scientific anti-Ufologists ignore it. Another important source, also ignored is, Richard Hall’s “The UFO Evidence” (Ref.7), 1964) and the updated 1999 (Ref.8) version. Of particular concern is the avoidance, especially by pseudo-scientific anti-Ufologist astronomers, of the book “The UFO Experience” by Dr. J Allen Hynek (Ref.9) . After all he was the USAF Project Blue Book scientific consultant for more than 20 years. He was head of the Astronomy Department at Northwestern University. He contributed to the Congressional hearings as well. I suppose it is understandable that the astronomers so enamored with SETI (the Silly Effort to Investigate) and astrobiology would want to stay as far away as possible from data indicating the planet is being visited by aliens, especially when collected by a fellow astronomer. Who would then need SETI? I discuss this in detail in chapter 5 “The Cult of SETI” in “Flying Saucers and Science”(Ref.2). Several astronomers, most notably Phil Plait, who writes a Bad Astronomy column (I agree with some pieces he has written, not about UFOs) is totally uninformed about the UFO evidence. They have tried to claim that if aliens were visiting, astronomers would be expected to see them, but never do. I discuss (Ref.2) their failure to pay any attention to the surveys showing astronomers, both amateur and professional, do see UFOs even if they, like most others, are reluctant to report them; both Hynek and McDonald and Dr. Peter Sturrock, a Stanford Astrophysicist, discussed sightings by astronomers. It is pseudo-scientific for a so-called scientist to make false claims and ignore the very data he claims doesn’t exist, even when published by noted colleagues..

It is also amusing how often the SETI cultists bring up the Drake Equation, which supposedly allows one to determine the number of advanced civilizations in the galaxy. One might as well use a dartboard with numbers on it. It is not a scientific equation. People get all kinds of answers because the choices for certain terms are completely arbitrary and without factual basis. For example, what is the average life span of a civilization? We have data on one planet in one solar system. There are a few hundred billion stars in the galaxy. The Drake Equation assumes no colonization and no migration; this goes along with the silly assumption that nobody is coming to Earth despite all the evidence.

The radio astronomers not only assume nobody is coming, but that some aliens somewhere are sending signals in our direction to attract our attention and that we are so smart we can determine what techniques they are using, what frequencies, what kind of modulation, whether they are analog or digital. If the latter, there is no way for us to interpret the signals. (Generally if they are using lasers or gravitational waves or Who knows what, WE KNOW NOTHING)


TRAVEL

The astronomical community has, not surprisingly, a long history of making totally false pronouncements about flight. After all, there is nothing in their training or education that gives any professional insight about the aeronautical and astronautical aspects of flight. The best known American astronomer of the 19th Century, Dr. Simon Newcomb (1835-1909), had written: “The demonstration that no possible combination of known substances, known forms of machinery, and known forms of force can be united in a practical machine by which man shall fly long distances through the air, seems to this writer as complete as it is possible for the demonstration of any physical fact to be.”

He was so prominent and highly respected that his funeral was attended by numerous dignitaries including the President of the United States; his expertise involved the making of accurate determinations of the positions of the heavenly bodies and mathematical procedures for using that data for navigation and related problems. None of this has anything to do with flight. The first sustained powered flight be the Wright brothers took place only 2 months later. They, and others, had made numerous measurements determining the influence of various factors on lift and drag.

In the course of preparing Chapter 2 (“You Can Get Here from There” of “Flying Saucers and Science”(Ref.2) and while working on a new book “But It’s Impossible” with my co-author Kathleen Marden, I ran across numerous false or pseudo-scientific claims about flight in the atmosphere and then in space by smart people who didn’t know what they were talking about. These savants said it would be impossible to fly across the ocean, to sink a battleship with a bomb dropped from an airplane, to go faster than the speed of sound, etc. The attacks on the feasibility of space flight also showed ignorance. For example, Dr. Alexander Bickerton in a paper presented to the British Association for the Advancement of Science in 1926 showed that because our best explosive had only 1/10th the energy per pound required to move at orbital velocity, that it would be impossible to give anything sufficient energy to place it in orbit,. He obviously didn’t know that other chemical combinations give more energy per pound in a rocket and are easier to use than explosives. He also neglected the small detail that it is the payload that needs to go into orbit, not the propellant. Another astronomer Dr. John Campbell of Canada in 1941 scientifically (really pseudo-scientifically) calculated the required initial launch weight for a rocket able to get a man to the moon and back as a million tons. Less than 30 years later, 3 men were sent to the moon with a chemical rocket whose initial launch weight was all of 3000 tons. To say he didn’t know what he was talking about would be a gross understatement.

He made a host of really inappropriate (stupid would be a better word) assumptions that he wouldn’t have made if he had studied research papers that had been published years earlier. He assumed a single stage rocket, limited to 1-G acceleration, providing all the energy for the trip, launched vertically, requiring a retrorocket to slow it down when returning, and assuming a very low exhaust velocity for the propellant. The engineers responsible for planning our lunar excursions used a multistage rocket, a much higher but appropriate exhaust velocity, a much higher maximum acceleration, launched from as close to the equator as possible to the East, and used the earth’s atmosphere to slow it down upon return, but being sure to get the entry angle correct. They, of course, used the gravitational field of the moon (hence a launch window), the rotation of the earth and good sensible engineering. Launching from near the equator takes advantage of the fact, apparently unknown to the pseudo-scientists that the earth rotates at about 1000 miles per hour there. The moon also provides some energy, free, if the timing is right. The atmosphere charges nothing for providing the energy to slow the rocket down; as a matter of fact all our deep space probes have used as much cosmic freeloading as possible to reduce the propellant load. Mother nature can be very helpful.

The British Astronomer Royal, Sir Richard van der Riet Wooley (1906-1986) made many silly claims about space flight including when speaking to Time Magazine in 1956 “It’s utter bilge. I don’t think anybody will ever put up enough money to do such a thing. What good would it do us? If we spent the same amount of money on preparing first-class astronomical equipment we would learn much more about the universe. It is all rather rot.” This was one year before Sputnik, and 13 years before the first manned landing on the moon. Isn’t it ironic that Astronomy has been so enriched by data obtained by such extraordinary space based observatories as Hubble, Chandra, Fermi, Spitzer and many more?

I suppose it is safe to say today that most astronomers recognize that man has indeed gone to the moon and back and has sent probes past all the planets except Pluto. Some have left the solar system. In another excellent example of pseudoscience, we have the statement by Hayden Planetarium director Dr. Neil de Grasse Tyson that our fastest spacecraft, the Voyager would take 70,000 years to go the distance to the nearest star, 4.3 light years. He said this on the Peter Jennings ABC TV Mockumentary of February 24, 2005. This is as pseudo-scientific and misleading as Dr. Campbell’s work. Voyager has no propulsion system on it. It has been coasting much as a balloon or kite might in the sky or a bottle tossed into the ocean.

But can we seriously talk about going to the stars less than 70 years into the space age? Depends, as one might expect, on the details. The usual objection is to point to Albert Einstein’s relativity and the conclusion that nothing can go faster than the speed of light. However, Einstein also noted that the closer one gets to the speed of light, the more time slows down for things moving that fast. Sounds crazy, but this crazy notion has been verified. How much slower time moves for the high speed systems depends on how close one gets .At 99.9% of the speed of light it only takes 20 months pilot time to go 37 light years. At 99.99 % of the speed of light it would only take 6 months pilot time to go 37 light years . . . and so on. Now at this point the pseudo-scientists jump in “but relativity also indicates that the closer one gets to the speed of light, the more one’s mass increases and the more energy it takes to keep accelerating.” True? Not necessarily. The pseudo-scientists assume one must be accelerating by carrying along propellant, which is sent out the back of the rocket. However, if one uses nuclear fusion reactions such as those between Deuterium (heavy Hydrogen) and Helium 3 (light Helium), the charged particles produced in these reactions are born with more than 10 million times as much energy per particle as they can get in a chemical rocket. They are not “accelerated” by the rocket, but are born that way and electromagnetically shipped out. Furthermore it also takes no energy to take advantage of the gravitational acceleration by massive bodies such as the moon, the sun, Jupiter, nearby stars, very dense black holes, maybe even twin neutron stars as suggested by Physicist Freeman Dyson. Be in the right place at the right time.

The devil is in the details. At Aerojet General Nucleonics in the early 1960s we did a serious study for the USAF on deep space fusion propulsion systems using D-He-3. Reports and papers were written and published such as Ref. 10. Naturally the pseudo-scientist anti-Ufologists never reference these studies. In my 1999 MUFON Paper,“Star Travel? YES!” I gave more details and also noted the problems with pseudo-scientist-anti-Ufologist “Dr. Lawrence Krauss.”

The debunkers don’t even reference the successful ground testing of a number of nuclear fission rockets in the 1960s by Westinghouse Astro-nuclear Laboratory, Aerojet General, and Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory. The most powerful one was the Phoebus 2B of LASL which was less than 7’ in diameter and operated at a power level of 4400 Megawatts.. twice the energy output of Grand Coulee Dam. Do they really think chemical rockets are the ultimate? Are they still using slide rules for their scientific computations (not that I am sure any do any SC)?

It seems to me that every advanced civilization will determine that its star produces its energy by nuclear fusion. We tested the first successful fusion device, a bomb, of course, in late 1952 in the Pacific. It produced the same explosive energy release as exploding 10 million tons of TNT. It created a fireball diameter of 3 miles. By comparison the biggest non-nuclear bombs dropped during WW 2 were 10-ton blockbusters. The Soviets later actually exploded a fusion weapon releasing the energy of 57 million tons of TNT. Remember that we Earthlings only figured out fusion as the energy producing process in the stars in 1938. Surely other civilizations figured out Nuclear fusion long before we did.(A thousand or million or billion years ago??) They probably also figured out something much more powerful a long time ago. One suggestion might be that they noted that as one goes from the big atom to the small nucleus, the size goes way down, but the energy goes way up per particle. This sounds crazy, but is not. What if we figure out how to get inside the small quarks of which neutrons, protons, etc are made? Will the energy go way up per particle?

It is almost laughable how silly some of the reactions are to these scientific facts. For example, UK debunker Peter Brookesmith in a review (Ref.11) of FSS claimed that sure the mass increases, but people would hardly be able to move their bodies, lift their arms etc. This is nonsense. The change in mass occurs from the viewpoint of the observer not the high speed person.

Perhaps I better add that hydrogen and helium are the lightest and most abundant elements in the universe, which means they can be found wherever one is going. That is not true of uranium used in fission systems.

Another sticky wicket to some people is to assume that one would accelerate half way out to a target star and then decelerate the other half, all the while carrying all the propellant needed for the round trip. Obviously when one drives from Fredericton to Miami, one refuels along the way rather than carrying all the fuel for the trip from the beginning. One doesn’t keep the gas pedal to the floor; incidentally at 1G acceleration, it only takes a year to get close to the speed of light. Some have suggested in campus classes that I have conducted that it would take a decade, century, or millennium. A Nobel Prize winning Physicist, Dr. Edward Purcell, assumed accelerating at 1 G for 5 light years and then decelerating for 5 years and repeating the pattern in reverse to get home (from a star 10 light years away) and of course carrying all the fuel for the whole trip from the start. Not much payload fraction for such an absurd trip profile. This is the equivalent of assuming that a 747 keeps at full throttle when it gets to altitude instead of going into cruise mode. And of course it refuels when it lands. Many military planes refuel on the fly for most long missions. How many alien fuel storage stations are out there? Maybe like the coaling stations set up by England to facilitate ocean crossings a century ago!


SAUCERS COULDN’T CRASH

Another silly assumption is that it would be ridiculous to suggest that very sophisticated spacecraft from another solar system could possibly crash. Let us, of course, ignore the tragic loss of TWO space shuttles. I try, not always so gently, to point out that crashes occurring near Roswell and Aztec
(in New Mexico), Varginia in Brazil, seem to involve relatively small craft as opposed to the huge “mother ships” observed for example in the JAL Case on November 17, 1986, over Alaska or the Yukon Case of December 11, 1996. and so ably investigated by engineer Martin Jacek.. A useful analogy here is that different systems are designed for different environments. The US Navy operates massive nuclear fission powered aircraft carriers, which can run for 18 years without refueling. Each carries about 75 very much smaller non-nuclear powered jets, which can fly for a few hours at most. Different environments, and one has different systems. The space between stars is very different than that in the vicinity of a planet with an atmosphere and a high gravitational field. and heating and drag.

Some have demanded how could such an advanced tech system possibly crash. I point out that unexpected events and circumstances have often caused aircraft and rocket accidents. How about a sudden lightning and hailstone storm? How about bird strikes, pilot error, unexpected radio or radar signals, that interfered with navigation or propulsion systems?


ACCELERATION LIMITS

Over and over again pseudo-scientific anti-Ufologists claim that the reported acceleration of flying saucers is far more than man can stand. “It is impossible” they shriek. One silly book (Ref.12) even claimed that when one gets to 9 G-s one dies!. Sure, if one slams into a brick wall or much of anything else while being accelerated at 9Gs. But properly trained and constrained (seat belts etc) and with the force acting in the proper direction with reference to the body, one can stand quite high accelerations. For example, pilots can perform a tracking task while being accelerated at 14Gs for 2 minutes. That is about 300 miles per hour per second,. Astronauts are launched on their back because they can stand much more acceleration back to front than foot to head. The escape rocket on the Apollo Lunar excursion module would provide 13Gs in the event of a quick escape because of a fire down below. Colonel John Paul Stapp (1910-1999) once withstood 41Gs when a rocket sled very rapidly slowed down from 620mph in less than a second, and lived to tell the tale. Properly constrained one can stand 30Gs for 1 second.. That is 600 miles per hour per second. Obviously it may be that aliens create artificial gravity and are not accelerated in their reference system.


NATIONAL SECURITY and UFOs

The pseudo-scientists claim that secrets can’t be kept, that there would no reason to keep secret the recovery of a crashed saucer or alien visitations and that they would, using their own protocol, immediately make the world aware of the most important discovery of all time reception by a SETI specialist of a an alien signal.. What would be the big deal, except to improve their funding, of a reception of a possibly intelligent signal from a star hundreds of light years away?.. I suppose if it said “arriving in 2011 your time frame,. Please prepare dinner for 175 and arrange for a guided tour. No need to RSVP” that might be useful. Do they really expect the signal would help us solve our problems? Would we pay any attention if they said your birth rate is too high, you are destroying your planet, you need to learn to live at peace with each other, your religions are based on myths that we created…. We give you 10 years to straighten up,” that might be useful, but the presence and observation of high performance craft in our atmosphere not only tells us we are not alone, but might lead to better military systems for flight, for attack, for defense, for reconnaissance. The best systems for monitoring flight performance would be airborne or space borne and would produce data that is born classified. Wouldn’t any country with access to such technology want to keep it for themselves and not want to make their enemies aware? The Brits developed radar around 1938. They fooled the Germans into thinking they had no radar for the entire war . . . very important for winning the battle of Britain. They didn’t share it. They broke the German enigma codes; should they have announced that? It took 25 years for that little detail to be released after the war was over. The first nuclear chain reaction (leading to fission reactors and atomic bombs) was in December 1942. Should the US have published a paper about it? We had broken the Japanese codes. Should that have been published?

In Chapter 4 “The Cosmic Watergate” of FSS I note several multibillion dollar, multi year development programs conducted in secret for long periods of time. The SETI people are delighted as they should be with Paul Allen’s 35 million dollar contribution to the Hat Creek Observatory. A single B-2 bomber cost more than 2 billion dollars. I keep reminding people who think of research as being conducted at universities by a small group of professors and a bunch of graduate students who are very anxious to publish lest they perish, that way back in 1958, I was working as a nuclear physicist at the General Electric Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Department near Cincinnati. We employed 3500 people full time of whom 1100 were engineers and scientists. We spent $100,000,000 that year. That was a great deal of money in 1958. The test data were all classified. And that wasn’t a “Black” program.


MOTIVATIONS FOR VISITATIONS

I am truly shocked by claims that there would be no good reason for alien visitors to come here or to be frightened of us Earthlings. I have an entire chapter in FSS about what is special about Earth and why aliens would of course be interested in coming here, besides the simple fact that we provide many opportunities for thesis research on a primitive society (us) whose major activity is clearly tribal warfare. Have we forgotten that we destroyed 1700 cities and killed 50 million Earthlings during WW 2 and that many millions more have been killed since? I would bet that we would be able to go to the stars before 2l00 using new developments in nuclear propulsion. Everybody in the neighborhood would rightfully be concerned. We also have a plethora of natural resources that may have been used by them for millennia. An awful lot of people traveled difficult journeys during the 19th century in search of gold to California, Alaska, Australia.. We spend 10s of billions of dollars on defensive and offensive weapons and on elaborate reconnaissance activities on the ground, in the air, and in space…. To make sure nobody will surprise us with an attack. Remember Pearl Harbor? The United States alone has tested 331 nuclear weapons. Peaceful Planet??

Are Earthlings peaceful? Every new frontier is a new place to do battle. Of course others in the neighborhood would be worried about us with our advanced nuclear destruction technology. We are not talking slingshots vs. laser weapons. It is easy to forget that the rate of the new development of advanced military technology has been exponential, mostly because of the enormous a expenditures that have been made, despite all the starvation. Look at the changes in just the past 62 years since Roswell. Earthlings can go much faster, and higher now than ever before at least in the past several thousand years. Think of lasers, microwaves, DNA, incredible devices for storing information, manipulating, and transmitting it. Think of Terabyte hard drives, cell phones, the internet, etc . . ..


PSEUDO-SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATIONS

It is very interesting, and distressing to look at debunkerdom. Basically it is based on several underlying assumptions:

1. There cannot be any alien visitors to Earth.

2. Governments cannot keep secrets.

3. There is no scientific data about flying saucers. Only anecdotal tales from uneducated observers. Please ignore the PhD Theses.

4. People are notoriously poor observers . . . except, of course, when we depend on their testimony to make identification. He must have been observing Venus because the characteristic behavior and location, as described by the witness, point to Venus.

5. There is no need for collection of large-scale studies because, after all, there are none.

6. There is certainly no physical evidence, so we can neglect the so-called physical trace cases,(Ted Phillips has collected several thousand cases from almost 90 countries) the radar visual cases, photographs that can withstand careful investigation.

7. The best way to investigate UFO sightings is to repeat the explanations of other debunkers. Proclaim, don’t investigate. Spreading the word, wrong though the explanations might be, is an effective way to suppress reportage and investigation by open minded people.

8. Always cast doubt upon the honesty and capability of witnesses and serious investigators alike. Whenever possible use such terms as believers, buffs, profit seekers, paranormal., new age.



RE ROSWELL

If at all possible, don’t mention that the military group involved; the 509th, was the most elite military group in the world having dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945 and two more at Operation Crossroads in the Pacific in 1946. Avoid the testimony of retired General Thomas Jefferson DuBose as to the instructions he received as Chief of Staff to General Roger Ramey head of the 8th Air Force from Ramey’s boss, General Clements McMullen“—cover it up, send some wreckage here, don’t talk about it again”.

Ignore the fact that Major Jesse Marcel, was the intelligence Officer of the 509th,the only atomic bombing outfit in the world and the first military man to collect wreckage from the debris field. Ignore the testimony of Colonel Jesse Marcel Jr. Medical doctor, flight surgeon,, helicopter pilot with 225 combat flying hours in Iraq and somebody who handled wreckage in 1947. Ignore the testimony of William Brazel (son of the rancher Mack Brazel) who also handled wreckage. Ignore the testimony of 27 first hand witnesses on the DVD “Recollections of Roswell” (Ref.13). Don’t mention that Colonel Blanchard, base commander, went on to be a 4 star General and Vice Chief of Staff of the USAF.

Focus on the Roswell Daily Record of July 9,1947; ignore the many front page stories across the country from Chicago West on July 8, published before rancher Brazel had been reprogrammed..

Claim that witnesses came running to me and Bill Moore, Don Schmitt, Tom Carey, and Kevin Randle seeking attention, when in fact we all spent a huge amount of time and money seeking them out.

Claim, as the head of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry has on several occasions, that nothing happened, but an inexperienced public relations man put out an unauthorized press story to garner attention. In summary “Don’t bother us debunkers with the facts, our minds are made up”. This is pseudoscience.


Re THE BETTY AND BARNEY HILL CASE

Constantly claim that Betty and Barney only saw a bright light in the sky, everything that came out under hypnosis is suspect. Claim Barney only repeated the stuff of Betty’s dreams since she was always telling him about them. Don’t mention the strange spots on their car, or the warts on his groin, or the analysis of Betty’s dress, . The missing time is only because they got lost on the country roads, Barney must have watched a special TV program. Betty was a UFO buff before her so called abduction. Sources are never given for these outlandish claims. The facts indicate that Betty and Barney saw the flying object FROM within a few hundred feet. Barney using binoculars saw beings behind a double row of windows. The object was seen in front of the moon (strange behavior for Jupiter) all without hypnosis. As a direct comparative analysis by Kathleen Marden in “Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience” (Ref.14), shows, Barney’s testimony did not match Betty’s dreams, and on and on. Numerous debunkers have picked up on the false claims despite their being made up. Pseudoscience is once again in the forefront.


PERSONAL

Then of course there are the personal attacks. I have been told that I was only in Ufology for the money. “Why do you say that?” “I see you on a host of TV programs”.

“I don’t get paid for them”.

“Really? Not even Larry King?”

“ No.. I spend 2 days of my life to go to Los Angeles; they put me up at a hotel and cover transportation. They don’t provide meals or money for them and there is no fee.”

“Oh.. But you get publicity for your books.”

“Yes, and why not? They make a lot of money by selling commercials.”

At one point Wikipedia had an article claiming I had only worked on paper studies in industry. I did a lot of expensive experiments while working in industry on a number of large budget programs. I guess they don’t count.


CONCLUSION

If one makes an appropriately objective and careful examination of the pro and anti-UFO arguments, one finds that the evidence is overwhelming that Earth is being visited by intelligently controlled vehicles of extraterrestrial origin and that only pseudo-scientific arguments of a vocal but small group of debunkers stand in the way of reaching that conclusion.. along with a fear of ridicule for being logical. Take courage. I have had only 11 hecklers at more than 700 lectures and 2 of them were drunk.


REFERENCES


1.Project Blue Book Special Report Number 14 1955, Battelle Memorial Institute for the USAF. 246 Charts, Tables, maps and graphs. $25. including shipping from Stan Friedman, UFORI, POB 958, Houlton, ME 04730-0958.. or paypal at website

2.Friedman, Stanton T. Flying Saucers and Science, New Page Division of Career Press, Franklin Lakes, New Jersey, 320pages, 2008. $19. from UFORI, or Paypal including priority mail, Autographed

3. Condon, Edward U. Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects Bantam Press, New York, 1969, 965 pages

4. AIAA UFO Subcommittee UFO: A Scientific Appraisal of the Problem Astronautics and Aeronautics 8:11, l970, p.49

5. Clancy, Susan Kidnapped: Why People Come to Believe They have been Kidnapped by Aliens, Harvard University Press, Cambridge, MA 2000

6. House Committee on Science and Astronautics Symposium on UFOS, July 29, 1968

7.Hall, Richard The UFO Evidence 1964, NICAP, Washington, D.C.

8. Hall, Richard The UFO Evidence Vol. 2. A Thirty Year Report, Scarecrow Press, Lanham, MD 2003

9.Hynek, J. Allen The UFO Experience: A Scientific Inquiry, Henry Regnery, Chicago,1972

10. Luce, John S. Controlled Fusion Propulsion, Proceedings of the third Symposium on Advanced Propulsion Concepts. Vol. 1 Gordon and Breach Science Publishers, 1963pp 343-380

11. Brookesmith, Peter “Review of Flying Saucers and Science”, Fortean Times FT 243, December 2008,p.61

12. Faughn, Jerry S. and Karl F. Kuhn Physics for People Who Think They Don’t Like Physics, Saunders, Philadelphia, l976

13. Recollections of Roswell, DVD, 105 Minutes, $20. including shipping from UFORI or via Paypal

14. Friedman, Stanton T. and Kathleen Marden Captured!The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience Career Press, Franklin Lakes NJ 2007, 319p. $18.99 including Priority Mail , from UFORI, or via PayPal From Website. Autographed by both authors


Stanton T. Friedman: fsphys@rogers.com

I love all the assumptions that are left open without factual basis or cites.

For instance,

"let's start with what we know..." Followed by a list of crazy assumptions - none of which any of us "knows".

"It's obvious that none of these are from planes" Why is that obvious? It's not obvious to me. Just because you cannot see the plane in a low res pic of a plane 30,000 feet in the air doesn't mean it isn't a plane.

SHAD Wrote:
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> I love all the assumptions that are left open
> without factual basis or cites.
>
> For instance,
>
> "let's start with what we know..." Followed by a
> list of crazy assumptions - none of which any of
> us "knows".
>
> "It's obvious that none of these are from planes"
> Why is that obvious? It's not obvious to me.
> Just because you cannot see the plane in a low res
> pic of a plane 30,000 feet in the air doesn't mean
> it isn't a plane.

Well then explain why there are so many in the same airspace so close to the airport then? I seem to recall the Federal statute for air traffic in this area has stricter limits since 9/11.

I noticed that there was a noticeable increase in security at Dulles, Reagan National, and BWI airports today. MUFON saw an increase in the number of UFO sightings in VA over the past few days. Ladies and Gentlemen, looks like Northern VA is now officially a hotbed of UFO activity.

I've seen alot of these pictures recently. Those are caterpillars.

They can uh... set a headset on you, and download into your neurotronic syntaxes... uhhh various different... uh very complicated historical, uh and scientific equations and things of this nature...

OK, for those of us not taking medication, those are obviously jet contrails from high altitude commercial aircraft. Why so many in one location? Simple, there are set east/west, north/south flyways that air traffic control route planes through.

For the OP. You are a class A retard and/or paranoid. Those are in fact UFOs massing near the WVA/ VA boarder. They are invisible to everybody BUT you. In fact, you are the only human to obtain photographic proof. The aliens are using their superior technology to triangulate your position from their known locations of the spacecraft. They are down to your block and are waiting for the perfect moment to come in your window and melt your brain. They will then do horrible things to your bottom and leave you on a street corner in leesburg. Tired, hungry, with little memory. And yes, totally retarded. Kinda like you are now.

Targzissians are obviously reptilian

Project SHAD Wrote:
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> SHAD Wrote:
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> > I love all the assumptions that are left open
> > without factual basis or cites.
> >
> > For instance,
> >
> > "let's start with what we know..." Followed by
> a
> > list of crazy assumptions - none of which any



That's easy its because you are right bnext door to a major international airport! Precisely where you'd expect to see them.
> >
> > "It's obvious that none of these are from
> planes"
> > Why is that obvious? It's not obvious to me.
> > Just because you cannot see the plane in a low
> res
> > pic of a plane 30,000 feet in the air doesn't
> mean
> > it isn't a plane.
>
> Well then explain why there are so many in the
> same airspace so close to the airport then? I seem
> to recall the Federal statute for air traffic in
> this area has stricter limits since 9/11.

Have come to take the last few white women...
Attachments:

There's been all kinds of UFO activity this month. Check out these videos...

http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/2011/10/ufo-activity-over-missouri-october-2011.html

You Should Be Paranoid!!!! Wrote:
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> OK, for those of us not taking medication, those
> are obviously jet contrails from high altitude
> commercial aircraft. Why so many in one
> location? Simple, there are set east/west,
> north/south flyways that air traffic control route
> planes through.
>
> For the OP. You are a class A retard and/or
> paranoid. Those are in fact UFOs massing near
> the WVA/ VA boarder. They are invisible to
> everybody BUT you. In fact, you are the only
> human to obtain photographic proof. The aliens
> are using their superior technology to triangulate
> your position from their known locations of the
> spacecraft. They are down to your block and are
> waiting for the perfect moment to come in your
> window and melt your brain. They will then do
> horrible things to your bottom and leave you on a
> street corner in leesburg. Tired, hungry, with
> little memory. And yes, totally retarded.
> Kinda like you are now.

You didn't finish...

OP: you will wake up with a quarter in your palm and a funny taste in your mouth too. That is all.

Concerned Neighbor Wrote:
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> I live over in South Riding and this is what I'm
> seeing right now in the skies above us.


Judging by the houses in that picture you live in Europe not in Virginia

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Based on the subject matter, I thought that many of you might find this interesting:

With so much real BS going on in this country these days, it blows my mind that some wise guy can point to something so common and obvious and have thousands of people believe that it is something nefarious. Let me try one:

I woke up this morning, and there were tire tracks in the dirt road leading up to my house! At first I thought they were tire tracks from cars, but I read on the Internet that Al Gore has teamed up with Lord Xenu to create an all-knowing, all-seeing micro-raster sonic discombbulator, which they are now testing in my driveway. Please post pictures of suspicious tire tracks on dirt roads if you see them!

Conspiracy Theory Wrote:
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> I don't want to alarm anyone, but I just snapped
> these pictures of a some very strange objects in
> the skies near the airport. You can clearly see
> the "Chemtrail" lines in the sky at the higher
> altitude. A plane coming into Dulles Airport can
> be seen flying in towards the Airport so you have
> that to use as scale.
>
> Here are the pictures. What do you think???

I think you should just say no to drugs!

Shut up you fuckstain, you answered your own question its a jet, you can't see it cause its too high up, at an angle, just shut up you idiot

The mere fact that you are means you always have been and cannot stop being...And things of this nature.

Shapeshifting plane? Fucking really?? Here's the facts... that is an Air Canada Airbus A319. Yeah, the plane looks different when it BANKS IN A TURN.

There are also things called atmospheric distortion and camera resolution but explaining all that stuff is beyond the comprehension level of your average woo woo.

Even the wooiest of woo woos shouldn't be that goddamn stupid. The guy who shot that video is so goddamn dumb he shouldn't be allowed to have a high school diploma.

The chemtrail thing is the dumbbest goddamn conspiracy theory I have ever heard of, yet thousands of drooling morons believe in it.

BTW the guys at the Washington ARTCC god a huge laugh out of this thread the other day. Just thought I'd let everyone know.

And no insult to the fair readers of this site because I know 99% of them aren't naive enough to fall for this woo woo crap.

skeptic Wrote:
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> BTW the guys at the Washington ARTCC god a huge
> laugh out of this thread the other day. Just
> thought I'd let everyone know.
>
> And no insult to the fair readers of this site
> because I know 99% of them aren't naive enough to
> fall for this woo woo crap.

That's what I love about this website, and threads like this. I laughed so hard my sides hurt.

Maybe you should zoom it a bit. The plane may be flying on greater altitude or it may be a private jet. This means you may be unable to see the plane in front :)