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Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
Fairfax County Taxpayer
()
Date: October 01, 2011 03:16PM
Vote here to help stop the steam-rolling by a small group who wants to spend even more money and waste more resources by changing the school bell schedule county-wide.
http://fcps.uservoice.com/forums/126831-preparing-our-children-for-the-future-
http://fcps.uservoice.com/forums/126831-preparing-our-children-for-the-future-
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
I VOTED
()
Date: October 01, 2011 04:22PM
The option to vote against a change in the bell schedule is near the bottom of the second page.
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
Stu Gibson
()
Date: October 02, 2011 01:54AM
From Patch:
"Michelle, The issue for me is not – and never has been – about whether our high school students would benefit from opening high school later in the morning. They clearly would benefit. But in order to keep all the other schedules as is – according to the first transportation task force report, written before the founding of SLEEP – we would have to spend tens of millions of dollars to buy new buses and hire more drivers.
Because we cannot afford to buy more buses (nor would I vote to spend that kind of money on buses, when we need to lower class sizes and pay teachers more), the question boils down to time shifting. What OTHER things would have to change in order to open high school later in the day? And other things WILL have to change.
At bottom, the question for me is and always has been whether a quarter million families in Fairfax County are willing to fundamentally change how their live their daily lives, in order to achieve later high school start times at low or no cost. I have tried to get the leadership of SLEEP to focus on building community-wide consensus to support these kinds of changes. Instead, they have mostly focused on the School Board. So when a real-life, time-shifting proposal was made a few years ago, the broader community – including 80% of high school students – said no.
Irrespective of the science, I think it would be a bad thing for the School Board to force this kind of fundamental change on all Fairfax County families, without getting their buy-in. And they have not yet bought in."
"Michelle, The issue for me is not – and never has been – about whether our high school students would benefit from opening high school later in the morning. They clearly would benefit. But in order to keep all the other schedules as is – according to the first transportation task force report, written before the founding of SLEEP – we would have to spend tens of millions of dollars to buy new buses and hire more drivers.
Because we cannot afford to buy more buses (nor would I vote to spend that kind of money on buses, when we need to lower class sizes and pay teachers more), the question boils down to time shifting. What OTHER things would have to change in order to open high school later in the day? And other things WILL have to change.
At bottom, the question for me is and always has been whether a quarter million families in Fairfax County are willing to fundamentally change how their live their daily lives, in order to achieve later high school start times at low or no cost. I have tried to get the leadership of SLEEP to focus on building community-wide consensus to support these kinds of changes. Instead, they have mostly focused on the School Board. So when a real-life, time-shifting proposal was made a few years ago, the broader community – including 80% of high school students – said no.
Irrespective of the science, I think it would be a bad thing for the School Board to force this kind of fundamental change on all Fairfax County families, without getting their buy-in. And they have not yet bought in."
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
Parent and Taxpayer
()
Date: October 02, 2011 11:29AM
Stu Gibson Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> From Patch:
>
> "Michelle, The issue for me is not – and never
> has been – about whether our high school
> students would benefit from opening high school
> later in the morning. They clearly would benefit.
> But in order to keep all the other schedules as is
> – according to the first transportation task
> force report, written before the founding of SLEEP
> – we would have to spend tens of millions of
> dollars to buy new buses and hire more drivers.
>
> Because we cannot afford to buy more buses (nor
> would I vote to spend that kind of money on buses,
> when we need to lower class sizes and pay teachers
> more), the question boils down to time shifting.
> What OTHER things would have to change in order to
> open high school later in the day? And other
> things WILL have to change.
>
> At bottom, the question for me is and always has
> been whether a quarter million families in Fairfax
> County are willing to fundamentally change how
> their live their daily lives, in order to achieve
> later high school start times at low or no cost. I
> have tried to get the leadership of SLEEP to focus
> on building community-wide consensus to support
> these kinds of changes. Instead, they have mostly
> focused on the School Board. So when a real-life,
> time-shifting proposal was made a few years ago,
> the broader community – including 80% of high
> school students – said no.
>
> Irrespective of the science, I think it would be a
> bad thing for the School Board to force this kind
> of fundamental change on all Fairfax County
> families, without getting their buy-in. And they
> have not yet bought in."
Ii is unfortunate that this proposal keeps bring resurrected. While the later start times sound great on the surface, there are just too many negatives once the ramifications become clearer. However, the small, vocal group pushing this wants what they want, and they really don't care about the opinions of those who disagree with them.
-------------------------------------------------------
> From Patch:
>
> "Michelle, The issue for me is not – and never
> has been – about whether our high school
> students would benefit from opening high school
> later in the morning. They clearly would benefit.
> But in order to keep all the other schedules as is
> – according to the first transportation task
> force report, written before the founding of SLEEP
> – we would have to spend tens of millions of
> dollars to buy new buses and hire more drivers.
>
> Because we cannot afford to buy more buses (nor
> would I vote to spend that kind of money on buses,
> when we need to lower class sizes and pay teachers
> more), the question boils down to time shifting.
> What OTHER things would have to change in order to
> open high school later in the day? And other
> things WILL have to change.
>
> At bottom, the question for me is and always has
> been whether a quarter million families in Fairfax
> County are willing to fundamentally change how
> their live their daily lives, in order to achieve
> later high school start times at low or no cost. I
> have tried to get the leadership of SLEEP to focus
> on building community-wide consensus to support
> these kinds of changes. Instead, they have mostly
> focused on the School Board. So when a real-life,
> time-shifting proposal was made a few years ago,
> the broader community – including 80% of high
> school students – said no.
>
> Irrespective of the science, I think it would be a
> bad thing for the School Board to force this kind
> of fundamental change on all Fairfax County
> families, without getting their buy-in. And they
> have not yet bought in."
Ii is unfortunate that this proposal keeps bring resurrected. While the later start times sound great on the surface, there are just too many negatives once the ramifications become clearer. However, the small, vocal group pushing this wants what they want, and they really don't care about the opinions of those who disagree with them.
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: October 02, 2011 11:36AM
Parent and Taxpayer Wrote:
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The small vocal group is the opponents of this common sense reform that adjusts start times to those in 75 of the 95 other counties in Virginia including Loudoun.
Many opponents of reasonable high school start time are bus drivers who would have fewer runs and make less money. Their interests have to be subordinated to the health of our kids.
SLEEPS opponents benefited from a rigged 2009 poll run by Gatehouse.
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The small vocal group is the opponents of this common sense reform that adjusts start times to those in 75 of the 95 other counties in Virginia including Loudoun.
Many opponents of reasonable high school start time are bus drivers who would have fewer runs and make less money. Their interests have to be subordinated to the health of our kids.
SLEEPS opponents benefited from a rigged 2009 poll run by Gatehouse.
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
Taxpayer
()
Date: October 02, 2011 12:19PM
So, Thomas, bottom line. What does your group claim the dollar cost, both for start-up and on-going, would be if this change is implemented? We need facts, please, mot emotion.
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: October 02, 2011 12:44PM
Taxpayer Wrote:
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> So, Thomas, bottom line. What does your group claim the dollar cost, both for start-up and on-going, would be if this change is implemented? We need facts, please, mot emotion.<
Actually, SLEEP developed a schedule that would work with existing resources but check the website for more details
www.sleepinfairfax.org
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> So, Thomas, bottom line. What does your group claim the dollar cost, both for start-up and on-going, would be if this change is implemented? We need facts, please, mot emotion.<
Actually, SLEEP developed a schedule that would work with existing resources but check the website for more details
www.sleepinfairfax.org
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
rob
()
Date: October 02, 2011 03:05PM
if i had to get my ass out of bed by 6am and in class by 7:20am, fuck these kids who already go in later as is and demanding to go in later.
sorry, but hs kids dont deserve to go in later. if they actually od their homework when they should, they wouldnt lack the sleep. instead they go and fuck around and then think maybe at 10pm its time to do homework.
way to cradle your kids into thinking life is an easy passage. You're simply going to lead them into failing college and wasting thousands of dollars, but hey as long as you fork the cash and not the govt, im ok with that.
sorry, but hs kids dont deserve to go in later. if they actually od their homework when they should, they wouldnt lack the sleep. instead they go and fuck around and then think maybe at 10pm its time to do homework.
way to cradle your kids into thinking life is an easy passage. You're simply going to lead them into failing college and wasting thousands of dollars, but hey as long as you fork the cash and not the govt, im ok with that.
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
Not sleepy
()
Date: October 03, 2011 12:09AM
Mr. Gibson only has half of the story as to why the SLEEP proposals for high school will never become policy. Everyone agrees that younger K-6 children need even more sleep hours per night than High School teens do. The only way high schoolers can have their schedule pushed back is by having elementary schoolers get up earier and go to class earlier. That is not going to happen.
Take away the abused electronics and computers and cell phones and tell teens to go to sleep at 10 p.m. And they will be fine.
Take away the abused electronics and computers and cell phones and tell teens to go to sleep at 10 p.m. And they will be fine.
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
Yahweh
()
Date: October 03, 2011 01:13AM
I thought high school was preparation for a working life. Which includes getting up early and following through with responsibilities.
Plus, they get the afternoons off!
Plus, they get the afternoons off!
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
Denise Sandosky
()
Date: October 03, 2011 03:24PM
Economists from the US Air Force Academy and the University of California recommend later start times as a means of saving schools money. Economists from Columbia University and the University of Michigan recommend delaying start times because they predict students at later starting schools (1) will earn more money and (2) the change will cost nothing or very little.
Professors from Harvard and Yale recommend later start times because they comport with adolescent circadian biology and because student health and well-being is improved.
Rather than explaining why those who support delayed start times are foolish, why not write to these professors and tell them you know best? While you're at it, you can also write to the National Sleep Foundation to tell them how foolish they are to advocate for later start times.
West, Carrell, & Maghakian, A’s from Zzzz’s? The Causal Effect of School Start Time on the Academic Performance of Adolescents (Aug. 2011) 3 AEJ: Econ. Policy 3, 62-81, http://www.econ.ucdavis.edu/faculty/scarrell/sleep.pdf, http://www.econjimwest.com/sleep.pdf
Cline, Do Later School Start Times Really Help High School Students? (Feb. 27, 2011) Psychology Today, http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sleepless-in-america/201102/do-later-school-start-times-really-help-high-school-students
Quan, Podcast Transcript (Apr. 2011) 7 J. Clin. Sleep Med. 2, 1-2, http://www.aasmnet.org/jcsm/rss/transcripts/0702.pdf
Jacob & Rockoff, Organizing Schools to Improve Student Achievement: Start Times, Grade Configurations, and Teacher Assignments (Sept. 2011) Brookings Inst., http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/rc/papers/2011/09_organize_jacob_rockoff/092011_organize_jacob_rockoff_paper.pdf
Backgrounder: Later School Start Times (2011) National Sleep Foundation, http://www.sleepfoundation.org/article/hot-topics/backgrounder-later-school-start-times
Professors from Harvard and Yale recommend later start times because they comport with adolescent circadian biology and because student health and well-being is improved.
Rather than explaining why those who support delayed start times are foolish, why not write to these professors and tell them you know best? While you're at it, you can also write to the National Sleep Foundation to tell them how foolish they are to advocate for later start times.
West, Carrell, & Maghakian, A’s from Zzzz’s? The Causal Effect of School Start Time on the Academic Performance of Adolescents (Aug. 2011) 3 AEJ: Econ. Policy 3, 62-81, http://www.econ.ucdavis.edu/faculty/scarrell/sleep.pdf, http://www.econjimwest.com/sleep.pdf
Cline, Do Later School Start Times Really Help High School Students? (Feb. 27, 2011) Psychology Today, http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sleepless-in-america/201102/do-later-school-start-times-really-help-high-school-students
Quan, Podcast Transcript (Apr. 2011) 7 J. Clin. Sleep Med. 2, 1-2, http://www.aasmnet.org/jcsm/rss/transcripts/0702.pdf
Jacob & Rockoff, Organizing Schools to Improve Student Achievement: Start Times, Grade Configurations, and Teacher Assignments (Sept. 2011) Brookings Inst., http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/rc/papers/2011/09_organize_jacob_rockoff/092011_organize_jacob_rockoff_paper.pdf
Backgrounder: Later School Start Times (2011) National Sleep Foundation, http://www.sleepfoundation.org/article/hot-topics/backgrounder-later-school-start-times
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
puzzled
()
Date: October 03, 2011 04:13PM
Denise Sandosky Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Economists from the US Air Force Academy and the
> University of California recommend later start
> times as a means of saving schools money.
> Economists from Columbia University and the
> University of Michigan recommend delaying start
> times because they predict students at later
> starting schools (1) will earn more money and (2)
> the change will cost nothing or very little.
>
> Professors from Harvard and Yale recommend later
> start times because they comport with adolescent
> circadian biology and because student health and
> well-being is improved.
>
> Rather than explaining why those who support
> delayed start times are foolish, why not write to
> these professors and tell them you know best?
> While you're at it, you can also write to the
> National Sleep Foundation to tell them how foolish
> they are to advocate for later start times.
>
> West, Carrell, & Maghakian, A’s from Zzzz’s?
> The Causal Effect of School Start Time on the
> Academic Performance of Adolescents (Aug. 2011) 3
> AEJ: Econ. Policy 3, 62-81,
> http://www.econ.ucdavis.edu/faculty/scarrell/sleep
> .pdf, http://www.econjimwest.com/sleep.pdf
>
> Cline, Do Later School Start Times Really Help
> High School Students? (Feb. 27, 2011) Psychology
> Today,
> http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sleepless-in-a
> merica/201102/do-later-school-start-times-really-h
> elp-high-school-students
>
> Quan, Podcast Transcript (Apr. 2011) 7 J. Clin.
> Sleep Med. 2, 1-2,
> http://www.aasmnet.org/jcsm/rss/transcripts/0702.p
> df
>
> Jacob & Rockoff, Organizing Schools to Improve
> Student Achievement: Start Times, Grade
> Configurations, and Teacher Assignments (Sept.
> 2011) Brookings Inst.,
> http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/rc/papers/2
> 011/09_organize_jacob_rockoff/092011_organize_jaco
> b_rockoff_paper.pdf
>
> Backgrounder: Later School Start Times (2011)
> National Sleep Foundation,
> http://www.sleepfoundation.org/article/hot-topics/
> backgrounder-later-school-start-times
So, are you saying all students should start later? Or just high school, which I thought was the proposal?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Economists from the US Air Force Academy and the
> University of California recommend later start
> times as a means of saving schools money.
> Economists from Columbia University and the
> University of Michigan recommend delaying start
> times because they predict students at later
> starting schools (1) will earn more money and (2)
> the change will cost nothing or very little.
>
> Professors from Harvard and Yale recommend later
> start times because they comport with adolescent
> circadian biology and because student health and
> well-being is improved.
>
> Rather than explaining why those who support
> delayed start times are foolish, why not write to
> these professors and tell them you know best?
> While you're at it, you can also write to the
> National Sleep Foundation to tell them how foolish
> they are to advocate for later start times.
>
> West, Carrell, & Maghakian, A’s from Zzzz’s?
> The Causal Effect of School Start Time on the
> Academic Performance of Adolescents (Aug. 2011) 3
> AEJ: Econ. Policy 3, 62-81,
> http://www.econ.ucdavis.edu/faculty/scarrell/sleep
> .pdf, http://www.econjimwest.com/sleep.pdf
>
> Cline, Do Later School Start Times Really Help
> High School Students? (Feb. 27, 2011) Psychology
> Today,
> http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sleepless-in-a
> merica/201102/do-later-school-start-times-really-h
> elp-high-school-students
>
> Quan, Podcast Transcript (Apr. 2011) 7 J. Clin.
> Sleep Med. 2, 1-2,
> http://www.aasmnet.org/jcsm/rss/transcripts/0702.p
> df
>
> Jacob & Rockoff, Organizing Schools to Improve
> Student Achievement: Start Times, Grade
> Configurations, and Teacher Assignments (Sept.
> 2011) Brookings Inst.,
> http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/rc/papers/2
> 011/09_organize_jacob_rockoff/092011_organize_jaco
> b_rockoff_paper.pdf
>
> Backgrounder: Later School Start Times (2011)
> National Sleep Foundation,
> http://www.sleepfoundation.org/article/hot-topics/
> backgrounder-later-school-start-times
So, are you saying all students should start later? Or just high school, which I thought was the proposal?
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
Coach
()
Date: November 20, 2013 02:24PM
I asked my 12th grader about this and he said if start times are moved later, the HS kids will just stay up later and get the same amount of sleep they currently get or even less.
FCPA is not for this either. Their impact study info will show how terribly disruptive this will be to all users of Country Rec. facilities!
FCPA is not for this either. Their impact study info will show how terribly disruptive this will be to all users of Country Rec. facilities!
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
The idiots are out in force
()
Date: November 20, 2013 02:42PM
Stu Gibson Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> From Patch:
>
>
> Irrespective of the science, I think it would be a
> bad thing for the School Board to force this kind
> of fundamental change on all Fairfax County
> families, without getting their buy-in. And they
> have not yet bought in."
Quick clue no 1 - anything that starts "Irrespective of the science" is written by an idiot
>Their impact study info will show how terribly disruptive this will be to all users of Country Rec. facilities!
Quick clue no 2 - Anything that ends by claiming that sports are more important than education is written by another idiot
Where the hell do we find these people?
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> From Patch:
>
>
> Irrespective of the science, I think it would be a
> bad thing for the School Board to force this kind
> of fundamental change on all Fairfax County
> families, without getting their buy-in. And they
> have not yet bought in."
Quick clue no 1 - anything that starts "Irrespective of the science" is written by an idiot
>Their impact study info will show how terribly disruptive this will be to all users of Country Rec. facilities!
Quick clue no 2 - Anything that ends by claiming that sports are more important than education is written by another idiot
Where the hell do we find these people?
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
just be a parent
()
Date: November 20, 2013 03:52PM
Parent and Taxpayer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Stu Gibson Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > From Patch:
> >
> > "Michelle, The issue for me is not – and
> never
> > has been – about whether our high school
> > students would benefit from opening high school
> > later in the morning. They clearly would
> benefit.
> > But in order to keep all the other schedules as
> is
> > – according to the first transportation task
> > force report, written before the founding of
> SLEEP
> > – we would have to spend tens of millions of
> > dollars to buy new buses and hire more drivers.
>
> >
> > Because we cannot afford to buy more buses (nor
> > would I vote to spend that kind of money on
> buses,
> > when we need to lower class sizes and pay
> teachers
> > more), the question boils down to time
> shifting.
> > What OTHER things would have to change in order
> to
> > open high school later in the day? And other
> > things WILL have to change.
> >
> > At bottom, the question for me is and always
> has
> > been whether a quarter million families in
> Fairfax
> > County are willing to fundamentally change how
> > their live their daily lives, in order to
> achieve
> > later high school start times at low or no cost.
> I
> > have tried to get the leadership of SLEEP to
> focus
> > on building community-wide consensus to support
> > these kinds of changes. Instead, they have
> mostly
> > focused on the School Board. So when a
> real-life,
> > time-shifting proposal was made a few years
> ago,
> > the broader community – including 80% of high
> > school students – said no.
> >
> > Irrespective of the science, I think it would be
> a
> > bad thing for the School Board to force this
> kind
> > of fundamental change on all Fairfax County
> > families, without getting their buy-in. And
> they
> > have not yet bought in."
>
>
> Ii is unfortunate that this proposal keeps bring
> resurrected. While the later start times sound
> great on the surface, there are just too many
> negatives once the ramifications become clearer.
> However, the small, vocal group pushing this wants
> what they want, and they really don't care about
> the opinions of those who disagree with them.
Unfortunately small vocal groups usually get what they want in this County. That's what happens when you have spineless bureaucrats running large
agencies that are influenced by newspaper articles and relentless people with no lives.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Stu Gibson Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > From Patch:
> >
> > "Michelle, The issue for me is not – and
> never
> > has been – about whether our high school
> > students would benefit from opening high school
> > later in the morning. They clearly would
> benefit.
> > But in order to keep all the other schedules as
> is
> > – according to the first transportation task
> > force report, written before the founding of
> SLEEP
> > – we would have to spend tens of millions of
> > dollars to buy new buses and hire more drivers.
>
> >
> > Because we cannot afford to buy more buses (nor
> > would I vote to spend that kind of money on
> buses,
> > when we need to lower class sizes and pay
> teachers
> > more), the question boils down to time
> shifting.
> > What OTHER things would have to change in order
> to
> > open high school later in the day? And other
> > things WILL have to change.
> >
> > At bottom, the question for me is and always
> has
> > been whether a quarter million families in
> Fairfax
> > County are willing to fundamentally change how
> > their live their daily lives, in order to
> achieve
> > later high school start times at low or no cost.
> I
> > have tried to get the leadership of SLEEP to
> focus
> > on building community-wide consensus to support
> > these kinds of changes. Instead, they have
> mostly
> > focused on the School Board. So when a
> real-life,
> > time-shifting proposal was made a few years
> ago,
> > the broader community – including 80% of high
> > school students – said no.
> >
> > Irrespective of the science, I think it would be
> a
> > bad thing for the School Board to force this
> kind
> > of fundamental change on all Fairfax County
> > families, without getting their buy-in. And
> they
> > have not yet bought in."
>
>
> Ii is unfortunate that this proposal keeps bring
> resurrected. While the later start times sound
> great on the surface, there are just too many
> negatives once the ramifications become clearer.
> However, the small, vocal group pushing this wants
> what they want, and they really don't care about
> the opinions of those who disagree with them.
Unfortunately small vocal groups usually get what they want in this County. That's what happens when you have spineless bureaucrats running large
agencies that are influenced by newspaper articles and relentless people with no lives.
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
The idiots are out in force
()
Date: November 20, 2013 04:39PM
just be a parent Wrote:
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>
> Unfortunately small vocal groups usually get what
> they want in this County. That's what happens when
> you have spineless bureaucrats running large
> agencies that are influenced by newspaper articles
> and relentless people with no lives.
Yup - I'm a parent and think its ridiculous that I have to send a 14 year old girl out to walk half a mile in the cold and dark to a bus stop at 6 am every morning, all because a small vocal minority thinks that school sports are more important than educational achievement.
Spineless is giving into this whole "it would make traffic worse", "it would mess up the rec centers" "We've always done it this way" BS
We're a hard working, high skill, family oriented county - we can afford to fix this problem.
Spineless is sending dollars to Richmond, getting pennies back and then wringing our hands because we think we can't afford fix a soluble problem.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Unfortunately small vocal groups usually get what
> they want in this County. That's what happens when
> you have spineless bureaucrats running large
> agencies that are influenced by newspaper articles
> and relentless people with no lives.
Yup - I'm a parent and think its ridiculous that I have to send a 14 year old girl out to walk half a mile in the cold and dark to a bus stop at 6 am every morning, all because a small vocal minority thinks that school sports are more important than educational achievement.
Spineless is giving into this whole "it would make traffic worse", "it would mess up the rec centers" "We've always done it this way" BS
We're a hard working, high skill, family oriented county - we can afford to fix this problem.
Spineless is sending dollars to Richmond, getting pennies back and then wringing our hands because we think we can't afford fix a soluble problem.
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
SLEEPing idiots
()
Date: November 20, 2013 07:48PM
The idiots are out in force Wrote:
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> just be a parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Unfortunately small vocal groups usually get
> what
> > they want in this County. That's what happens
> when
> > you have spineless bureaucrats running large
> > agencies that are influenced by newspaper
> articles
> > and relentless people with no lives.
>
> Yup - I'm a parent and think its ridiculous that I
> have to send a 14 year old girl out to walk half a
> mile in the cold and dark to a bus stop at 6 am
> every morning, all because a small vocal minority
> thinks that school sports are more important than
> educational achievement.
>
> Spineless is giving into this whole "it would make
> traffic worse", "it would mess up the rec centers"
> "We've always done it this way" BS
>
> We're a hard working, high skill, family oriented
> county - we can afford to fix this problem.
>
> Spineless is sending dollars to Richmond, getting
> pennies back and then wringing our hands because
> we think we can't afford fix a soluble problem.
So, you support either greatly increased taxes to expand the bus fleet OR sending kindergartners out into the cold and dark at 6 am.
Good luck selling either one of those.
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> just be a parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Unfortunately small vocal groups usually get
> what
> > they want in this County. That's what happens
> when
> > you have spineless bureaucrats running large
> > agencies that are influenced by newspaper
> articles
> > and relentless people with no lives.
>
> Yup - I'm a parent and think its ridiculous that I
> have to send a 14 year old girl out to walk half a
> mile in the cold and dark to a bus stop at 6 am
> every morning, all because a small vocal minority
> thinks that school sports are more important than
> educational achievement.
>
> Spineless is giving into this whole "it would make
> traffic worse", "it would mess up the rec centers"
> "We've always done it this way" BS
>
> We're a hard working, high skill, family oriented
> county - we can afford to fix this problem.
>
> Spineless is sending dollars to Richmond, getting
> pennies back and then wringing our hands because
> we think we can't afford fix a soluble problem.
So, you support either greatly increased taxes to expand the bus fleet OR sending kindergartners out into the cold and dark at 6 am.
Good luck selling either one of those.
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
bTEHG
()
Date: November 20, 2013 08:02PM
Make you kids go to SLEEP earlier instead of staying up all night playing GTA and Call of Duty. problem solved.
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
3EGx3
()
Date: November 21, 2013 02:31PM
YOU ALL ARE 2 YEARS LATE!
dumbfucks
OP on Date: October 01, 2011 03:16PM
dumbfucks
OP on Date: October 01, 2011 03:16PM
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
Wait, what?
()
Date: November 21, 2013 10:36PM
Other jurisdictions manage to have later start times without costing their taxpayers millions of dollars or sending kindergartners to bus stops at 6 am. We're not so special that we can't figure it out, too. We like to pretend that everything is just so difficult. I suppose I just don't understand why constituencies are so opposed to this that they have to resort to such transparent scare tactics.
And as stated above, beware any argument that starts "irrespective of the science..."
And as stated above, beware any argument that starts "irrespective of the science..."
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
LouderthanHell
()
Date: November 21, 2013 10:54PM
I am supporting SLEEP because my kid is NOT EVEN ON THE DAMN BUS !!!
Leave the bus routes schedules the same, BUT give me and my kid the option to opt out of First period.
Create an optional afternoon period for those kids/parents who value their health and recognize that NOTHING happens between 2:30 and 4 at home besides video games anyway. Teachers UNION would support another period if it means more hours (or laters start times) for some of their teachers.
WOW !! Let's schedule the ENTIRE school year around the BUS service. TAIL THAT WAGS THE DOG !!!
Leave the bus routes schedules the same, BUT give me and my kid the option to opt out of First period.
Create an optional afternoon period for those kids/parents who value their health and recognize that NOTHING happens between 2:30 and 4 at home besides video games anyway. Teachers UNION would support another period if it means more hours (or laters start times) for some of their teachers.
WOW !! Let's schedule the ENTIRE school year around the BUS service. TAIL THAT WAGS THE DOG !!!
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
LouderthanHell
()
Date: November 21, 2013 10:59PM
44 votes against SLEEP.
in a more recent VOTE, over 1400 votes FOR SLEEP.
Not
Even
Close...
in a more recent VOTE, over 1400 votes FOR SLEEP.
Not
Even
Close...
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
SLEEPing idiots
()
Date: November 23, 2013 02:06PM
Wait, what? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Other jurisdictions manage to have later start
> times without costing their taxpayers millions of
> dollars or sending kindergartners to bus stops at
> 6 am. We're not so special that we can't figure it
> out, too. We like to pretend that everything is
> just so difficult. I suppose I just don't
> understand why constituencies are so opposed to
> this that they have to resort to such transparent
> scare tactics.
>
> And as stated above, beware any argument that
> starts "irrespective of the science..."
Show us one jurisdiction that has similar demographics with a later start time that performs better. I'll wait for your answer.
Despite all of SLEEPs efforts, they still can't produce a single bus schedule nor tell anyone how much it will cost.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Other jurisdictions manage to have later start
> times without costing their taxpayers millions of
> dollars or sending kindergartners to bus stops at
> 6 am. We're not so special that we can't figure it
> out, too. We like to pretend that everything is
> just so difficult. I suppose I just don't
> understand why constituencies are so opposed to
> this that they have to resort to such transparent
> scare tactics.
>
> And as stated above, beware any argument that
> starts "irrespective of the science..."
Show us one jurisdiction that has similar demographics with a later start time that performs better. I'll wait for your answer.
Despite all of SLEEPs efforts, they still can't produce a single bus schedule nor tell anyone how much it will cost.
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
SLEEPing idiots
()
Date: November 23, 2013 02:10PM
LouderthanHell Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 44 votes against SLEEP.
>
> in a more recent VOTE, over 1400 votes FOR SLEEP.
>
> Not
> Even
> Close...
What vote was this? Another so-called survey by SLEEP filled with biased and misleading questions?
-------------------------------------------------------
> 44 votes against SLEEP.
>
> in a more recent VOTE, over 1400 votes FOR SLEEP.
>
> Not
> Even
> Close...
What vote was this? Another so-called survey by SLEEP filled with biased and misleading questions?
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
Easy Breezy
()
Date: November 23, 2013 10:27PM
Um,
kinda easy
Go to the link of the survey that the OP suggested you go to.
Search all surveys for SLEEP
The OP was trying to link to a survey from 2011.
A newer survey from 2012 had OVERWHELMING support for later school start times.
and RE: SLEEPING idiots, if ya dont need da bus, who cares wat der schedule is !!!!!!
kinda easy
Go to the link of the survey that the OP suggested you go to.
Search all surveys for SLEEP
The OP was trying to link to a survey from 2011.
A newer survey from 2012 had OVERWHELMING support for later school start times.
and RE: SLEEPING idiots, if ya dont need da bus, who cares wat der schedule is !!!!!!
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
LouderthanHell
()
Date: November 24, 2013 09:27AM
What happened to the good old days when kids walked to school, like I did for 10 years?
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
RAWR456
()
Date: November 24, 2013 10:47AM
GO TO BED EARLIER. I leave the house at 5:45am for work. I go to bed at 9:00pm. BIG DEAL.
Re: Vote Against the Wasteful SLEEP initiative (link provided)
Posted by:
SLLEPing idiots
()
Date: November 25, 2013 06:30PM
Easy Breezy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Um,
> kinda easy
> Go to the link of the survey that the OP suggested
> you go to.
> Search all surveys for SLEEP
> The OP was trying to link to a survey from 2011.
> A newer survey from 2012 had OVERWHELMING support
> for later school start times.
>
>
> and RE: SLEEPING idiots, if ya dont need da bus,
> who cares wat der schedule is !!!!!!
Your evidence is a "survey" where anyone in the world can vote an unlimited number of times? Another example of the shoddy evidence put forward by the SLEEP sheep. I'll wait for an unbiased and scientific survey.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Um,
> kinda easy
> Go to the link of the survey that the OP suggested
> you go to.
> Search all surveys for SLEEP
> The OP was trying to link to a survey from 2011.
> A newer survey from 2012 had OVERWHELMING support
> for later school start times.
>
>
> and RE: SLEEPING idiots, if ya dont need da bus,
> who cares wat der schedule is !!!!!!
Your evidence is a "survey" where anyone in the world can vote an unlimited number of times? Another example of the shoddy evidence put forward by the SLEEP sheep. I'll wait for an unbiased and scientific survey.
SLLEPing Idiot you are !!
Posted by:
YOUspelledYOURownNAMEwrong
()
Date: November 25, 2013 10:59PM
How do you spell SLLEP ?