My neighbors have a pitbull that they let loose in their yard. They have an electronic fence but not a real fence. Is this legal? The dog will charge, bark, and scare me and my young kids to death. Is there anything we can do about it? I have talked to our HOA and they are concerned but don't know if there is precedent requiring fences. Are hidden fences legal?

You sound like you have my old neighbors! What you should ask your HOA is if they have a precedent about those kinds of dogs. Your neighbors are a bunch of assholes and the only thing their pit bull is going to cause them is resentment from everyone, and possibly legal/financial problems when it finally gets loose and locks on to somebody. Make your own safety a priority.

Send them some Dog Whisperer DVDs anonymously.

That guy is money.

If the dog wants out, he can get out! Same with a real fence. Where is this dog?

Just bring a hammer into the yard every time you go out there. Maybe leave a cheap one in the yard. If the dog ever gets through the invisible fence. grab the hammer and crack it's skull open like a walnut. Problem solved.

Don't walk past the house. Problem solved. :)

pitbull<3 Wrote:
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> Don't walk past the house. Problem solved. :)

Glad to know there are other pit bull lovers on this thread. The OP is probably just exaggerating to cause some "exciting" drama in her life. The dog probably just wants to lick her!

Call the County Animal Warden, they can advise you. It may not be licensed.

Bit Pull Wrote:
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> Call the County Animal Warden, they can advise
> you. It may not be licensed.


it probably isnt licensed.

Pit Bulls are usually scum, cuz their owners are scum

If you're such a concerned parent, why don't you do what concern parents do and take a proactive approach? Reach out to the dog owners instead of posting on forum that is full of biased ignorant members.

Talk to your neighbor, express your concerns regarding the dog and your kids

see what the neighbor has to say, and see how the dog behaves around you (without your kids). Is the dog friendly?

If the owner's appear to be responsible people, the dog is probably well behaved and friendly

Ask about the electric fence and its effectiveness. Invisible fences are not the best option for a dog (inhumane), and this shows that the owner's understand that their might be a concern with their dog.

Research pitbulls and their behavior before you judge all pits as dangerous dogs. You might be surprised how many well behave pitbulls are out there in loving homes.

Your biggest indicator of any dog and danger level is going to be the owner. If the owner worries you and appears irresponsible, their dog should also concern you. Whether it be a chihuahua, Yorkie, lab, or golden retriever. All dogs pose a hazard and it all comes down to the owners.

Hope you take the proactive steps to make an inform decision, before doing something irrational that could have a negative impact on a dog.


Yes, I have a pit mix. My neighbors took the proactive steps to express their concerns about my dog. We discussed it and calm their concerns. yes there are those neighbors that refuse to be around my dog and we avoid them to make it easier for them and me. This help me meet my neighbors, and leads to a stronger community.

"The dog will charge, bark, and scare me and my young kids to death."

You didn't read the original post, did you?

"Pit Bulls: Deadly Breed Most Responsible for Death and Maimings of Humans and Other Animals

On average about 27 people will be killed by a dog each year in the US, 19 of the homicide victims will be children under the age of 15. The dog that causes 3 out of 4 attacks on kids will be the "loving" family dog, such as the "friendly companion" pit bull with the wonderful disposition. Children attacked by these breeds are literally torn apart with horrifying injuries that are almost beyond words. Those that survive are often maimed for life."

Keep your family safe...Raid Insecticide + Bacon Brand Dog Treats



I'm just joking. Do not do anything illegal!

How about you just stop being a pussy?

....glassburger.

find a recently deceased animal. Throw it in their yard just before dawn. After the dog finds it, videotape what happens next. Bring the video to animal control. Repeat as necessary.

Just put a bowl of antifreeze on the dog's side of the line. They love the taste. Sit back and watch what happens.

Just shoot the thing now before things REALLY get out of hand. (These stories always end badly).
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Better than a bowl of anti-freeze; buy some cheap hamburger, mix it with anti-freeze, then make up a burger or 2 and throw it into the yard at night when no-one can see you.

Kinda cruel, but when weighed against the alternative of a mauled or dead child, one that most folks find defensible.

pitbull<3 Wrote:
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> Don't walk past the house. Problem solved. :)


how is she not suppose to walk past the house? They live next door.

Fixer Wrote:
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> Better than a bowl of anti-freeze; buy some cheap
> hamburger, mix it with anti-freeze, then make up a
> burger or 2 and throw it into the yard at night
> when no-one can see you.
>
> Kinda cruel, but when weighed against the
> alternative of a mauled or dead child, one that
> most folks find defensible.


Buy it all with cash and at a place sort of far from where you live. They'll never prove it was you, just like they never found that person in Centreville who poisoned his neighbor's pit bull. Good luck!

So far, the dog "charges" and "barks" and apparently scares the OP and her kids "to death". I'm not sure why the dog or fence is still an issue if they've all been scared "to death" already. But anyway, I'm just curious why so many idiots here are suggesting killing a dog that "charges" and "barks". Lots of dogs will run to the fence and bark when people pass. They're dogs, ya know? They bark sometimes.

Also, please get a brain. No dog's jaws "lock".

Having said all of that, the owners of the dog should know better. Electronic fences are a horrible idea for a number of reasons.

Many HOA covenants prohibit dangerous pets. The HOA can fine the offending homeowner.

Best way to deal with this in Fairfax County is to call Animal Control at 703-691-2131.

Would the OP be as concerned if the neighbor's dog were a Cocker Spaniel or a Poodle behaving that way ... or is it just because the dog happens to be a Pit Bull? The American Temperament Testing Society's statistics indicate that Pit Bulls have fewer bites per year than the average Cocker Spaniel -- but Cocker Spaniel bites don't make the news. That being said, it seems to me that the owners of the Pit Bull are being very irresponsible. Not only should their dog not be left unsupervised in the yard if it has a habit of charging and barking but they definitely should invest in a 6-foot privacy fence. A privacy fence would remove the stimulus that is causing the dog to bark and charge. I have 2 Pit Bulls of my own in addition to another 3 more Pit Bulls that I foster. I never leave them in the yard unsupervised AND if they start to bark I bring them back inside so as not to annoy the neighbors. If the OP is not inclined to speak face-to-face with the Pit Bull's owners maybe a friendly letter expressing his/her concerns might be a good place to start?

NoVA N8TIVE Wrote:
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> Would the OP be as concerned if the neighbor's dog
> were a Cocker Spaniel or a Poodle behaving that
> way ... or is it just because the dog happens to
> be a Pit Bull? The American Temperament Testing
> Society's statistics indicate that Pit Bulls have
> fewer bites per year than the average Cocker
> Spaniel -- but Cocker Spaniel bites don't make the
> news. That being said, it seems to me that the
> owners of the Pit Bull are being very
> irresponsible. Not only should their dog not be
> left unsupervised in the yard if it has a habit of
> charging and barking but they definitely should
> invest in a 6-foot privacy fence. A privacy fence
> would remove the stimulus that is causing the dog
> to bark and charge. I have 2 Pit Bulls of my own
> in addition to another 3 more Pit Bulls that I
> foster. I never leave them in the yard
> unsupervised AND if they start to bark I bring
> them back inside so as not to annoy the neighbors.
> If the OP is not inclined to speak face-to-face
> with the Pit Bull's owners maybe a friendly letter
> expressing his/her concerns might be a good place
> to start?


Five pit bulls in your house? Three of them foster, I take it they were abused or abandoned?

Your neighbors are gonna find you torn to shreds one day in your house. Ripped limb from limb. Good luck.

NoVA N8TIVE Wrote:
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> Would the OP be as concerned if the neighbor's dog
> were a Cocker Spaniel or a Poodle behaving that
> way ... or is it just because the dog happens to
> be a Pit Bull? The American Temperament Testing
> Society's statistics indicate that Pit Bulls have
> fewer bites per year than the average Cocker
> Spaniel -- but Cocker Spaniel bites don't make the
> news. That being said, it seems to me that the
> owners of the Pit Bull are being very
> irresponsible. Not only should their dog not be
> left unsupervised in the yard if it has a habit of
> charging and barking but they definitely should
> invest in a 6-foot privacy fence. A privacy fence
> would remove the stimulus that is causing the dog
> to bark and charge. I have 2 Pit Bulls of my own
> in addition to another 3 more Pit Bulls that I
> foster. I never leave them in the yard
> unsupervised AND if they start to bark I bring
> them back inside so as not to annoy the neighbors.
> If the OP is not inclined to speak face-to-face
> with the Pit Bull's owners maybe a friendly letter
> expressing his/her concerns might be a good place
> to start?


I agree with everything you said. You are also a wonderful person to be fostering three of these terribly misrepresented breeds! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJueekvhRDI

Enjoy.

I love my bullies. Friendliest dogs in the world. I bet the OP is a bigot and a homophobe to boot!

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> I love my bullies. Friendliest dogs in the world.
> I bet the OP is a bigot and a homophobe to boot!


+1.

OP is an uneducated cunt, imo. I've met many more nasty, poorly trained lap dogs than pitbulls.

Aryan_Foster Wrote:
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> > I love my bullies. Friendliest dogs in the
> world.
> > I bet the OP is a bigot and a homophobe to
> boot!
>
>
> +1.
>
> OP is an uneducated cunt, imo. I've met many more
> nasty, poorly trained lap dogs than pitbulls.


Start with Wiener Dogs, then chiwawas then dalmatians

Pitbulls are usually owned by attention starved people that get no respect in life. i.e. rednecks, ghetto dwellers and mexicans.

Whatever. In all my years the only dog that ever bit me was a PitBull, and I like dogs.

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> Whatever. In all my years the only dog that ever
> bit me was a PitBull, and I like dogs.


Whatever. In all my years the only person to ever steal my bike was black. Does that mean I should dislike blacks?

Shoestring logic wont cut the muster here.

Kilton Wrote:
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> Send them some Dog Whisperer DVDs anonymously.
>
> That guy is money.


OMG that was ghey as shite!!!!

Make sure that it actually is a Pit-Bull first. I own a Boxer and I've been asked ,more times then I can count, "what kind of Pit-bull is that?"

For the record, and you can look this up using Google, Boxers might look scary but they are one of the best dogs you could possibly own if you've got young children.

So be very very careful that you're not being upset by mistaken identity.

Another thing to keep in mind is what are the owners like? For the most part, if the owners are good people and have brought their dogs up correctly then there's probably little to worry about. On the other hand if they seem "trashy" then perhaps you do have a legitimate concern.

Whatever you do please make sure you're not harming an animal that has a great disposition like a Boxer.

Yes. Doesn't that go without saying?


JBass Wrote:
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> Whatever. In all my years the only person to ever
> steal my bike was black. Does that mean I should
> dislike blacks?
>

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> 6X Wrote:
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> > Whatever. In all my years the only dog that
> ever
> > bit me was a PitBull, and I like dogs.
>
>
> Whatever. In all my years the only person to ever
> steal my bike was black. Does that mean I should
> dislike blacks?
>
> Shoestring logic wont cut the muster here.


Ok, jbass/eesh, you want to compare races of people with breeds of animals??

We have a stupid homeowner who let's her huge dog out without a fence. Call animal control a few times and your problem will become her problem.

I hate nasty dog owners. They should be shot. Please leave the poor dog alone.

All you need to do is carry a squirt gun full of ammonia.

When the dog gets aggressive and charges, squirt him right in the nose. You will instantly have control of the situation and the dog will remember it.

Put his balls away and the problem will disappear.

I say shoot the homeowner in the nose with ammonia. Watch her reaction from your bushes. Priceless. Better yet get it on camera.

Its not the dogs fault. Never is. Its the owners. A dog is who he/she is because of the way the are treated. Be it a big dog or little dog. Little dogs can be even more vicious than the big ones.

Talk to your neighbor. See what kind of vibe you get from them.

I have been around big and little dogs all my life. The little dogs are the ones that scare me. They are usually face biters.

I think if that dog was really wanting to take a piece of your ass he would blow through the fence no problem. He/she probably just wants to play or say hi! When you tense up from fear it makes the dog tense because he doesnt understand your tension.

Try saying "hi" to him when you walk near him, so he gets used to you and your voice. It will also make you feel less tense when you see him.

I would giggle like a school girl if this knowitall got attacked by his "bullies"

k Wrote:
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> Also, please get a brain. No dog's jaws "lock".
>


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LOL bullshit. youve clearly never attempted to "un-lock" a dog that's clamped down on something. my neighbor's have the most lovable, sweet, docile, kid-friendly rescue pit bull you'll ever come across...

until it locks on to another dog's neck, like it did to mine last summer.

biggest problem with pitbulls is the fact their gene pool is littered with fighting dogs, and as such you cannot trust them for one nano second...

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> Its not the dogs fault. Never is. he gets used to you and your voice. It will also make you feel less tense when you see him.


Such absolute bullshite. What a bunch of useless crap.

Urinate around your property to mark your territory

be responsible Wrote:
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> If the owner's appear to be responsible people,
> the dog is probably well behaved and friendly

these pitbull threads always boil down to two groups: the smart people who know that pitbulls are not suitable for urban or suburban neighborhoods, and the morons who think that a fighting dog makes a good pet. sure, your dog is a perfect angel that never did anything wrong, and will continue to be the most well-behaved dog in the world right until it rips someone's pet or child into pieces. "He was always so friendly and loving, I just don't know how this could happen," you'll say.

The rest of the world will say, "I know how it happened. You're a moron that thought you could keep a fighting dog as a pet."

go get a wolf, a bobcat, an ocelot, a bear, or even a chimpanzee and try to raise it as a domestic pet. you'll see how little influence the owner has on the beast's behavior. It might spend years as a loving, faithful, and friendly pet until one day it just decides to rip your friend's face off and attack a police officer.

Always carry a taser with you. Should the dog attack, zap him with the taser. Two taser zaps will kill the ugly mutt. Then go on and tase the inconsiderate, idiot owner. No maybe you should tase the owner first.

People that say the owner is to blame are one hundred percent correct. The owner is to blame for being stupid enough to think that a pit bull is anything other than a dangerous animal.

Yea. In every pit bull mauling the owner is always like, "my pit was so friendly and loving.. Blah blah blah, how could this have happened!?" Its also interesting that pit bulls kill their own owner's, more often than any other dog id imagine. Like a month ago some lady in PA was killed by her pit bull.

I don't hate the breed, I know 4 of them by two different owners. Two are very sweet and I love em. But the other two are real assholes. They grawl at everyone that walks by the house. Charge at people who come over.. The worst part is their owner is like. "oh, look at how funny they are, aren't they adorable." I've had to kick one of them in the face to prevent it from latching onto my leg with its teeth. I hate doing that, but I'm not going to get bit. The worst part is, those two asshole dogs have been familiar with me for about three years and they still act like I'm a complete stranger who is breaking into their house.

Be careful around pits

or you'll end up like this kid...
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I see a lot of fluff and conjecture here but no one is citing any actual statistics. How about you lazy judgmental haters show some hard proof. Pitbulls kill their owners more than any other breed? Prove it.

Without any solid facts you are just spreading misinformation and misguided hate.

And to 6X, please do not change the subject. I was not comparing animals to humans. I was making a very simple point that no matter what the criterion, you can not use a single incident to prove a pattern.

JBass Wrote:
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> I see a lot of fluff and conjecture here but no
> one is citing any actual statistics. How about
> you lazy judgmental haters show some hard proof.
> Pitbulls kill their owners more than any other
> breed? Prove it.
>
> Without any solid facts you are just spreading
> misinformation and misguided hate.
>
> And to 6X, please do not change the subject. I
> was not comparing animals to humans. I was making
> a very simple point that no matter what the
> criterion, you can not use a single incident to
> prove a pattern.

http://dogbitelaw.com/images/pdf/breeds-causing-DBRFs.pdf

there ya go in black and white.

Pit Bull Owners = White trash and ghetto kings

JBass Wrote:

>
> And to 6X, please do not change the subject. I
> was not comparing animals to humans. I was making
> a very simple point that no matter what the
> criterion, you can not use a single incident to
> prove a pattern.


I didn't change the subject, you did. I was not using a single incident. I was using hundreds or thousands of incidents where I have come in contact with dogs. Some loose, some on leashes, some in their own house. The only one that bit me was a pitbull. I think that says something about the breed. I'm not sayin they are all bad. 5 pitbulls together as a pack is crazy.

bully bites Wrote:
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> JBass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I see a lot of fluff and conjecture here but no
> > one is citing any actual statistics. How about
> > you lazy judgmental haters show some hard proof.
>
> > Pitbulls kill their owners more than any other
> > breed? Prove it.
> >
> > Without any solid facts you are just spreading
> > misinformation and misguided hate.
> >
> > And to 6X, please do not change the subject. I
> > was not comparing animals to humans. I was
> making
> > a very simple point that no matter what the
> > criterion, you can not use a single incident to
> > prove a pattern.
>
> http://dogbitelaw.com/images/pdf/breeds-causing-DB
> RFs.pdf
>
> there ya go in black and white.

Okay now please provide statistics that actually mean anything. In other words, without knowing the percentage of the total K9 population each breed represents, this does nothing to show that bullies are more dangerous than other breeds.

What Im saying is that there are exponentially more bullies than there are mastiffs or many of the other breeds listed.

You cant take a statistic from SE DC that shows 90% of crimes are committed by blacks and have it show that blacks are more likely to commit a crime unless you can show that blacks compose less than 90% of the population in SE DC.

While this study does seem to be well put together, it lacks any substantive ability to show that one breed is more dangerous than another.

6X Wrote:
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> The only one that bit me
> was a pitbull.





A bitch biting a bitch. Imagine that...

6X Wrote:
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> JBass Wrote:
>
> >
> > And to 6X, please do not change the subject. I
> > was not comparing animals to humans. I was
> making
> > a very simple point that no matter what the
> > criterion, you can not use a single incident to
> > prove a pattern.
>
>
> I didn't change the subject, you did. I was not
> using a single incident. I was using hundreds or
> thousands of incidents where I have come in
> contact with dogs. Some loose, some on leashes,
> some in their own house. The only one that bit me
> was a pitbull. I think that says something about
> the breed. I'm not sayin they are all bad. 5
> pitbulls together as a pack is crazy.


And I have only ever been bit by a weiner dog and a dalmation. Whats your point? You are using a single, isolated incident in an attempt to prove a point. Even the barely educated can see that this is flawed logic. Moreover, unless you had equal contact with every different breed, there is no case here. Rather, most likely, you have had more encounters with bullie4s than other breeds and therefore would be statistically more likely to get bit by a bullie.

Im more likely to die from a falling tree when Im in a forest than I am in the middle of the cite. See my point?

You need to get the dog declared "dangerous."

Get your kid to run up and down the fence line barking and making faces at the dog. Hopefully you can get the dog so rallied up that it will attack your kid. Film the attack and then have the dog declared dangerous by the Animal Warden.

Hope this helps.

JBass Wrote:
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> bully bites Wrote:
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> > JBass Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I see a lot of fluff and conjecture here but
> no
> > > one is citing any actual statistics. How
> about
> > > you lazy judgmental haters show some hard
> proof.
> >
> > > Pitbulls kill their owners more than any
> other
> > > breed? Prove it.
> > >
> > > Without any solid facts you are just
> spreading
> > > misinformation and misguided hate.
> > >
> > > And to 6X, please do not change the subject.
> I
> > > was not comparing animals to humans. I was
> > making
> > > a very simple point that no matter what the
> > > criterion, you can not use a single incident
> to
> > > prove a pattern.
> >
> >
> http://dogbitelaw.com/images/pdf/breeds-causing-DB
>
> > RFs.pdf
> >
> > there ya go in black and white.
>
> Okay now please provide statistics that actually
> mean anything. In other words, without knowing
> the percentage of the total K9 population each
> breed represents, this does nothing to show that
> bullies are more dangerous than other breeds.
>
> What Im saying is that there are exponentially
> more bullies than there are mastiffs or many of
> the other breeds listed.
>
> You cant take a statistic from SE DC that shows
> 90% of crimes are committed by blacks and have it
> show that blacks are more likely to commit a crime
> unless you can show that blacks compose less than
> 90% of the population in SE DC.
>
> While this study does seem to be well put
> together, it lacks any substantive ability to show
> that one breed is more dangerous than another.

Here:

Pit bulls cause one-third of dog-bite related fatalities while only make up less than 2% of the dog population.

http://www.dog-bite-law-center.com/pgs/stats.html

What new criteria do you want to add to further look ignorant?

bully bites Wrote:
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> JBass Wrote:
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> > bully bites Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > JBass Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > I see a lot of fluff and conjecture here
> but
> > no
> > > > one is citing any actual statistics. How
> > about
> > > > you lazy judgmental haters show some hard
> > proof.
> > >
> > > > Pitbulls kill their owners more than any
> > other
> > > > breed? Prove it.
> > > >
> > > > Without any solid facts you are just
> > spreading
> > > > misinformation and misguided hate.
> > > >
> > > > And to 6X, please do not change the subject.
>
> > I
> > > > was not comparing animals to humans. I was
> > > making
> > > > a very simple point that no matter what the
> > > > criterion, you can not use a single
> incident
> > to
> > > > prove a pattern.
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://dogbitelaw.com/images/pdf/breeds-causing-DB
>
> >
> > > RFs.pdf
> > >
> > > there ya go in black and white.
> >
> > Okay now please provide statistics that
> actually
> > mean anything. In other words, without knowing
> > the percentage of the total K9 population each
> > breed represents, this does nothing to show
> that
> > bullies are more dangerous than other breeds.
> >
> > What Im saying is that there are exponentially
> > more bullies than there are mastiffs or many of
> > the other breeds listed.
> >
> > You cant take a statistic from SE DC that shows
> > 90% of crimes are committed by blacks and have
> it
> > show that blacks are more likely to commit a
> crime
> > unless you can show that blacks compose less
> than
> > 90% of the population in SE DC.
> >
> > While this study does seem to be well put
> > together, it lacks any substantive ability to
> show
> > that one breed is more dangerous than another.
>
> Here:
>
> Pit bulls cause one-third of dog-bite related
> fatalities while only make up less than 2% of the
> dog population.
>
> http://www.dog-bite-law-center.com/pgs/stats.html
>
> What new criteria do you want to add to further
> look ignorant?

According to YOUR site, which has a clear bias against the breed, 66 out of 238 were bullie fatalities. In what math world do you live in where 66 is 1/3 of 238. The same site, second link you provided, blatantly contradicts the first link. Do you honestly think bullies account for 2% of the dog population? C'mon. Get a clue. Your reference site has proven itself to have an agenda and will no longer be considered a valid resource.

JBass Wrote:
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> 6X Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JBass Wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > And to 6X, please do not change the subject.
> I
> > > was not comparing animals to humans. I was
> > making
> > > a very simple point that no matter what the
> > > criterion, you can not use a single incident
> to
> > > prove a pattern.
> >
> >
> > I didn't change the subject, you did. I was not
> > using a single incident. I was using hundreds
> or
> > thousands of incidents where I have come in
> > contact with dogs. Some loose, some on leashes,
> > some in their own house. The only one that bit
> me
> > was a pitbull. I think that says something
> about
> > the breed. I'm not sayin they are all bad. 5
> > pitbulls together as a pack is crazy.
>
>
> And I have only ever been bit by a weiner dog and
> a dalmation. Whats your point? You are using a
> single, isolated incident in an attempt to prove a
> point. Even the barely educated can see that this
> is flawed logic. Moreover, unless you had equal
> contact with every different breed, there is no
> case here. Rather, most likely, you have had more
> encounters with bullie4s than other breeds and
> therefore would be statistically more likely to
> get bit by a bullie.
>
> Im more likely to die from a falling tree when Im
> in a forest than I am in the middle of the cite.
> See my point?


Well no. I have had very little contact with pitbulls.

The first time I saw pitbull pups the owner of the pups was tryin to make them fight each other. They must of been 6-8 weeks old. That was just crazy.

Other times they have been tide-up or caged. Some to scared to approch me. The last one I tried to pet (on a leash) bit me. The next time I saw one tide-up I was worried about that rope if he tried to get me. I think I will just carry my gun from now on.

JBass Wrote:
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> > > bully bites Wrote:
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> >
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>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > JBass Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
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>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > I see a lot of fluff and conjecture here
> > but
> > > no
> > > > > one is citing any actual statistics. How
> > > about
> > > > > you lazy judgmental haters show some hard
> > > proof.
> > > >
> > > > > Pitbulls kill their owners more than any
> > > other
> > > > > breed? Prove it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Without any solid facts you are just
> > > spreading
> > > > > misinformation and misguided hate.
> > > > >
> > > > > And to 6X, please do not change the
> subject.
> >
> > > I
> > > > > was not comparing animals to humans. I
> was
> > > > making
> > > > > a very simple point that no matter what
> the
> > > > > criterion, you can not use a single
> > incident
> > > to
> > > > > prove a pattern.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://dogbitelaw.com/images/pdf/breeds-causing-DB
>
> >
> > >
> > > > RFs.pdf
> > > >
> > > > there ya go in black and white.
> > >
> > > Okay now please provide statistics that
> > actually
> > > mean anything. In other words, without
> knowing
> > > the percentage of the total K9 population
> each
> > > breed represents, this does nothing to show
> > that
> > > bullies are more dangerous than other breeds.
>
> > >
> > > What Im saying is that there are
> exponentially
> > > more bullies than there are mastiffs or many
> of
> > > the other breeds listed.
> > >
> > > You cant take a statistic from SE DC that
> shows
> > > 90% of crimes are committed by blacks and
> have
> > it
> > > show that blacks are more likely to commit a
> > crime
> > > unless you can show that blacks compose less
> > than
> > > 90% of the population in SE DC.
> > >
> > > While this study does seem to be well put
> > > together, it lacks any substantive ability to
> > show
> > > that one breed is more dangerous than
> another.
> >
> > Here:
> >
> > Pit bulls cause one-third of dog-bite related
> > fatalities while only make up less than 2% of
> the
> > dog population.
> >
> >
> http://www.dog-bite-law-center.com/pgs/stats.html
> >
> > What new criteria do you want to add to further
> > look ignorant?
>
> According to YOUR site, which has a clear bias
> against the breed, 66 out of 238 were bullie
> fatalities. In what math world do you live in
> where 66 is 1/3 of 238. The same site, second
> link you provided, blatantly contradicts the first
> link. Do you honestly think bullies account for
> 2% of the dog population? C'mon. Get a clue.
> Your reference site has proven itself to have an
> agenda and will no longer be considered a valid
> resource.

Two different studies taken in different years. Also, go with the low nunbers. What percentage do you think pit bulls are of the total dog population? 20%? 30%? You haven't put up any numbers that portray this hideous breed as docile.

I dont know what the percentage of the population they account for but its more than 2%.

Im not even trying to sit here and tell you that bullies are not one of the more aggressive breeds or that they dont have a higher rate of bites. What I am telling you is that in your smear campaign you are using biased sites to back your claims. I am a rational man. I concede certain points but abhor the use of these tactics to push your agends.

I know that something like 90+% of biting dogs are not neutered.

Here it is "Approximately 92% of fatal dog attacks involved male dogs, 94% of which were not neutered" - American Humane Society http://www.americanhumane.org/animals/stop-animal-abuse/fact-sheets/dog-bites.html

Owner responsibility takes a VERY large toll on the temperament of any dog, regardless of breed. As 6X noted, she has experience with a breeder training the dogs to fight from a very young age. Also, all dogs sense and prey on fear. Your smear campaign against bullies only goes to further the bad reactions frightened people will get from them.

JBass Wrote:
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> Your reference site has proven itself to have an
> agenda and will no longer be considered a valid
> resource.

This comment has proven that you have an agenda as well:

JBass Wrote:
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> I love my bullies.

I'm sure your dogs are nice and sweet and friendly and would like, totally never hurt anyone or anything. I hope they never freak out and maul someone or someone's pet, I really do.

All it takes is once, though.

just fuckin shoot the Nigger dog, and the owner. who is most likely a nigger too.

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> Yea. In every pit bull mauling the owner is always
> like, "my pit was so friendly and loving.. Blah
> blah blah, how could this have happened!?" Its
> also interesting that pit bulls kill their own
> owner's, more often than any other dog id imagine.
> Like a month ago some lady in PA was killed by her
> pit bull.
>
> I don't hate the breed, I know 4 of them by two
> different owners. Two are very sweet and I love
> em. But the other two are real assholes. They
> grawl at everyone that walks by the house. Charge
> at people who come over.. The worst part is their
> owner is like. "oh, look at how funny they are,
> aren't they adorable." I've had to kick one of
> them in the face to prevent it from latching onto
> my leg with its teeth. I hate doing that, but I'm
> not going to get bit. The worst part is, those two
> asshole dogs have been familiar with me for about
> three years and they still act like I'm a complete
> stranger who is breaking into their house.
>
> Be careful around pits
>
> or you'll end up like this kid...


Bon Appetit, americant maggot. Hope the poor dog didn't get indigestion.

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> I see a lot of fluff and conjecture here but no
> one is citing any actual statistics. How about
> you lazy judgmental haters show some hard proof.
> Pitbulls kill their owners more than any other
> breed? Prove it.
>
> Without any solid facts you are just spreading
> misinformation and misguided hate.
>
> And to 6X, please do not change the subject. I
> was not comparing animals to humans. I was making
> a very simple point that no matter what the
> criterion, you can not use a single incident to
> prove a pattern.

YOu really are just an idiot, aren't you?

All breeds are the products of their training and or lack thereof. An Old cat/beagle will bite you too, less of an injury problem though, obvoiuOsly. I Vote that Pit Bulls are an awsome,intense breed that are noble and strong, beautiful and kind.: Nasty Pit Bull= 97% owner issue, 1% health-issue, 1% indiv.-personallity, 1% mood O the day.


...I do not have a dog now, and never a PB or Rottie..so I shall shut up. just sayin. But grew up w/ many diff breeds, they are all Mans best friend when you get down to it.

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> JBass Wrote:
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> -----
> > I see a lot of fluff and conjecture here but no
> > one is citing any actual statistics. How about
> > you lazy judgmental haters show some hard proof.
>
> > Pitbulls kill their owners more than any other
> > breed? Prove it.
> >
> > Without any solid facts you are just spreading
> > misinformation and misguided hate.
> >
> > And to 6X, please do not change the subject. I
> > was not comparing animals to humans. I was
> making
> > a very simple point that no matter what the
> > criterion, you can not use a single incident to
> > prove a pattern.
>
> YOu really are just an idiot, aren't you?


Pick a subject you wish to debate. Crush you.

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>
> > Also, please get a brain. No dog's jaws "lock".
>
>
> LOL bullshit. youve clearly never attempted to
> "un-lock" a dog that's clamped down on something.
> my neighbor's have the most lovable, sweet,
> docile, kid-friendly rescue pit bull you'll ever
> come across...
>
> until it locks on to another dog's neck, like it
> did to mine last summer.
>
> biggest problem with pitbulls is the fact their
> gene pool is littered with fighting dogs, and as
> such you cannot trust them for one nano second...

Do some reading, if you can. There have been plenty of studies that show that there is no locking mechanism to the pit bull's jaws (nor any other breed). Yes, they have very strong, muscular jaws that can be difficult to open. That is not "locked".

Also, yes there are "fighting dogs" in their gene pool. That has nothing to do with this discussion. The "fighting dogs" you refer to were bred to fight...get this one...DOGS. Believe it or not, they can tell the difference between a person and a dog and dog aggression is not indicative of aggression toward people.

Get it right.

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> go get a wolf, a bobcat, an ocelot, a bear, or
> even a chimpanzee and try to raise it as a
> domestic pet. you'll see how little influence the
> owner has on the beast's behavior. It might spend
> years as a loving, faithful, and friendly pet
> until one day it just decides to rip your friend's
> face off and attack a police officer.

And how, exactly, are domesticated animals (i.e. dogs) the same as wolves, bobcats, ocelots, bears, or chimpanzees? Generations of domestication makes physical differences in the brains of the animals. Wild animals do not have generations of domesticated ancestors before them. Learn before you speak.

friskydingo Wrote:

> But the other two are real assholes. They
> grawl at everyone that walks by the house. Charge
> at people who come over.. The worst part is their
> owner is like. "oh, look at how funny they are,
> aren't they adorable." I've had to kick one of
> them in the face to prevent it from latching onto
> my leg with its teeth.

Well there's the problem...the owner is an idiot who should not be put in charge of a living thing. Particularly one with teeth. I feel like that's a no-brainer.

As the saying goes, It's not the gun that kills people it's people that kill people. Same going with Pit's. Don't blame the dog for the owners mistakes.

Here's my lab/pit mix! Coolest dog EVER!
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> As the saying goes, It's not the gun that kills
> people it's people that kill people. Same going
> with Pit's. Don't blame the dog for the owners
> mistakes.
>
> Here's my lab/pit mix! Coolest dog EVER!


Your dog looks really cool. I had a dog with the same name "Onyx"

I always enjoy reading news reports of smug pit-bull owners who are mauled by their "harmless" dogs. All too often, unfortunately, it's the innocent children of these idiots who are attacked.

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> And how, exactly, are domesticated animals (i.e.
> dogs) the same as wolves, bobcats, ocelots, bears,
> or chimpanzees? Generations of domestication
> makes physical differences in the brains of the
> animals. Wild animals do not have generations of
> domesticated ancestors before them. Learn before
> you speak.


take your own advice vis a vis learning and speaking. Pit bull may not be "wild," but the fighting dog viciousness hasn't been bred out of them yet. Pit bulls, wolves, bears, bobcats... All are animals that can be socialized and trained, but are not domesticated.

Own a pit bull. You'll figure out what I'm talking about.

If you think the dog is acting in an aggressive manor call animal control they will have a talk with the owner and make a decision. I have had animal control come to my home many times they will ask all kinds of liberal dog loving questions if you pass their test you keep your dog if not they take them away. I have always passed the test by the way.

Pitbulls maul in Long Island. Yeah, they are a safe breed.

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/dogs-maul-woman-on-long-island-20110929-akd

I HEART MY PIT's
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Well they are good for something. Look at what a pitbull did to this illegal...
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> I HEART MY PIT's

I'd like to rip the hearts out of your pits.

Pitbulls love Messicans Wrote:
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> Well they are good for something. Look at what a
> pitbull did to this illegal...


That's the difference from a Pit and a someones pet. A pet will lick you on the face. A pit will bite.

I wonder if these people still think they are such wonderful pets.
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Too bad for you. You never will. My pits are awesome and never showed any signs of aggression. Looks like I have two lovable companions, while you have zero, loser.

I've had the pleasure of knowing a number of pit bulls and rotties, and they were sweet dogs. But I would never have one with children, or have one that was not totally secured.

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>
> take your own advice vis a vis learning and
> speaking. Pit bull may not be "wild," but the
> fighting dog viciousness hasn't been bred out of
> them yet. Pit bulls, wolves, bears, bobcats... All
> are animals that can be socialized and trained,
> but are not domesticated.
>
> Own a pit bull. You'll figure out what I'm talking
> about.

These DOGS are domesticated animals, not wild. That's really not up to debate. Idiot. And I own two pit bulls. I have been a pit bull owner for about 17 years now. What is it that I should "figure out" about them, according to you? That they're DOGS and sometimes DOGS of all sorts do things like bark/growl/eat/shit/chewuptheoccasionalthingtheyshouldnotchew?

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A pitbull (or any other fighting dog) is no different than a loaded shotgun. It might sit in your living room corner for 15 years harmlessly or someone might accidentally get their head blown/gnawed clean off. Capability has a quality all its own.

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You people that are talking about killing this dog or harming it is insane! Just because people, hold on, let me say that again, PEOPLE choose to use the pit bull as the dog to participate in their ILLEGAL dog fighting ring does not mean that all pit bulls are dangerous. And FYI i am reporting this thread and the people that posted about harming the dog to Animal Control. People like you idiots give the dog a bad name. Cowards. And another FYI pit bulls score higher than almost any other breed on the temperament test. Also Golden retrievers, labs, poodles, are all more inclined to attack than a pit bull. Its been statistically proven. IF you go to factual web pages to research your information instead of just going with the media and stereotyping this breed, you would find that out. There was one case where a man was attacked by an animal, the Dr. who did the autopsy said it was a pit bull because she honestly didnt know what attacked the man and she didnt want to lose her job. She admitted to this. Get your head out of your rear ends and stop being such jerks. Racism is wrong, any way you look at it. As far as the concerned mom goes, you could have talked to your neighbor, left a letter in the mailbox so you wouldnt go near the dog, or just not walked by there until you did talk to the dog. Every one of you that instantly jump to death of a dog should try it out yourself. Do you hate one ethnicity of the human race because a few of that origin did something wrong. No. But you do hate a pit bull when HUMANS force some of them to behave the way they do. And the sick thing is there are so many other dogs of differant breeds that have randomly attacked people for no apparent reason, but the media doesnt go crazy about those dogs, at least not yet. People have blamed the German Shepherd, Rottweiler, Boxer and other breeds at differant times, now its the pit bull. When will all of you obnoxious a**holes blame the humans!
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> Better than a bowl of anti-freeze; buy some cheap
> hamburger, mix it with anti-freeze, then make up a
> burger or 2 and throw it into the yard at night
> when no-one can see you.
>
> Kinda cruel, but when weighed against the
> alternative of a mauled or dead child, one that
> most folks find defensible.

Not all pit bulls are vicious, but the one I live next to in the invisible fence is. He gets loose and will attack someone. He already bit one of my neighbors, but to keep the friendship, she didn't say anything. In order for me to get to the street I have to walk in front of their house. Sometimes their dog is in my side yard and I can't even get out of my house. Took them to court last week and nothing was really done. They have another little dog and another pit bull. The other pit bull does not charge at us. I only have a problem with the male pitbull. I have an 8yr old boy and a 15 yr old daugher and my 71 yr old mother. He has gone after all of us. I was just taking out the trash and the SOB came after me. If I didn't have trash cans in front of me, I probably would have lost a leg and to top it off, they were on vacation so me calling out for them did no good. My other neighbor came over to make the dog back off, but once I headed back to my house the dog started after me again even with the other neighbor there. After a while, you get tired of living in fear and to the point where you can't even leave your house or walk your kids to the bus stop. 1st time I'm writing in a forum about this too.

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Not all pit bulls are vicious, but the one I live next to in the invisible fence is. He gets loose and will attack someone. He already bit one of my neighbors, but to keep the friendship, she didn't say anything. In order for me to get to the street I have to walk in front of their house. Sometimes their dog is in my side yard and I can't even get out of my house. Took them to court last week and nothing was really done. They have another little dog and another pit bull. The other pit bull does not charge at us. I only have a problem with the male pitbull. I have an 8yr old boy and a 15 yr old daugher and my 71 yr old mother. He has gone after all of us. I was just taking out the trash and the SOB came after me. If I didn't have trash cans in front of me, I probably would have lost a leg and to top it off, they were on vacation so me calling out for them did no good. My other neighbor came over to make the dog back off, but once I headed back to my house the dog started after me again even with the other neighbor there. After a while, you get tired of living in fear and to the point where you can't even leave your house or walk your kids to the bus stop. 1st time I'm writing in a forum about this too.




Sorry, but you're not supposed to live in fear of a dangerous animal. I don't know why you didn't prevail in court. I would keep calling animal control until you were on a first name basis with all the control officers. Second, I would get a shotgun, learn how to use it, and if you're on your property, and if you, your son, daughter, or your mother appear to be in danger because of this pitbull, kill it...kill it before it can close in on you.

What sort of dirtbags do you live next to that would let an uncontrolled dangerous animal out of the house like that?

I must say that you should be commended for seeking advice. If it were just you and your husband I'd say follow the law- but hey we're talking about little children...your children. Call the police and tell them the dog has assaulted you and your family. Tell them you're not going to wait for a tragedy to do something to guarantee you and your children will never be assaulted by that dog again. It is assault when that dog charges and growls because it threatens you and your children. People go to jail for running up to someone sreaming and terrifying them and sometimes they get shot in self defense. It comes down to you or your children fearing for you lives. If you have warned the cops that they must do something or you will, no judge is going to find you guilty of anything if you kill it. This animal will eventually take the shock from the fence and attack someone.

What if you call Animal COntrol? I'd love to see what happens when an Animal Control Officer comes onto that dog's property. See how the ACO reacts to having to approached an unrestrained dog.

I'd call simply becasue the dog appears to be alone, unsupervised and unrestrained. That's reason enough.

Also, take pictures...what happens when a delivery driver shows up? THe mailman? Visiting neighbros, etc.?


What if a child runs into the animal's yard to chase after a ball or something? There's no visual cue to stay out of the yard. That's probably my biggest concern about unrestrained dogs.

An animal is an animal. It needs to know its place. Of my dog ever bit my daughter I'd take it out back and shoot. My dog is kind to everyone but harbors some sort of jealousy towards my toddlers. Good watch dog, never has been abused, but cross the line and good night puppup.

In addition to calling Animal COntrol repeatedly, never go outside without some sort of weapon - a baseball bat, a sledgehammer, a wood-handled metal rake...something that you can wield and of course, something that with one blow or strike will kill the animal.

I'm serious. Let the dog see you with such a weapon each time and if that dog moves anywhere near you, raise it and be ready to strike to kill.

Also, a very tough, ex-military lady friend of mine advised me to carry a road flare - the old-fashioned kind that you pull the cap off to ignite - she used to run/train solo and was once the victim of a dog bite...once. She returned a few weeks later with a flare, the dog came after her and she lit that flare and proceeded to stun the dog and then she burned and kicked the living shit out of the dog. That's right. Killed it and she kept running.

My friend is all kinds of awesome.

put a bowl of anti-freeze or some sort of poisoned treat in your yard, if the dog crosses the border into your yard and gets poisoned not your fault. You did nothing wrong. Just make sure your kids stay clear of it.

A local contractor has been hiring illegals and murdering them at the end of the job to avoid paying them. FCPD got a tip that he was feeding the highly intoxicated illegals to his pitbulls.

Re: Pitbull without fence
Posted by: No patience ()
Date: January 17, 2013 04:09PM

Not all pit bulls are vicious, but the one I live next to in the invisible fence is. He gets loose and will attack someone. He already bit one of my neighbors, but to keep the friendship, she didn't say anything. In order for me to get to the street I have to walk in front of their house. Sometimes their dog is in my side yard and I can't even get out of my house. Took them to court last week and nothing was really done. They have another little dog and another pit bull. The other pit bull does not charge at us. I only have a problem with the male pitbull. I have an 8yr old boy and a 15 yr old daugher and my 71 yr old mother. He has gone after all of us. I was just taking out the trash and the SOB came after me. If I didn't have trash cans in front of me, I probably would have lost a leg and to top it off, they were on vacation so me calling out for them did no good. My other neighbor came over to make the dog back off, but once I headed back to my house the dog started after me again even with the other neighbor there. After a while, you get tired of living in fear and to the point where you can't even leave your house or walk your kids to the bus stop. 1st time I'm writing in a forum about this too.




Sorry, but you're not supposed to live in fear of a dangerous animal. I don't know why you didn't prevail in court. I would keep calling animal control until you were on a first name basis with all the control officers. Second, I would get a shotgun, learn how to use it, and if you're on your property, and if you, your son, daughter, or your mother appear to be in danger because of this pitbull, kill it...kill it before it can close in on you.

What sort of dirtbags do you live next to that would let an uncontrolled dangerous animal out of the house like that?


So using your great logic, I get to kill you whenever you step on my property? You're an ass.

Re: Pitbull without fence
Posted by: Pitbulls should be illegal ()
Date: January 18, 2013 03:13AM

put a bowl of anti-freeze or some sort of poisoned treat in your yard, if the dog crosses the border into your yard and gets poisoned not your fault. You did nothing wrong. Just make sure your kids stay clear of it.


You did nothing wrong?

Poisoning is illegal, dickface.

lies Wrote:
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> Re: Pitbull without fence
> Posted by: Pitbulls should be illegal ()
> Date: January 18, 2013 03:13AM
>
> put a bowl of anti-freeze or some sort of poisoned
> treat in your yard, if the dog crosses the border
> into your yard and gets poisoned not your fault.
> You did nothing wrong. Just make sure your kids
> stay clear of it.
>
>
> You did nothing wrong?
>
> Poisoning is illegal, dickface.


not if you 'accidentally' left some anti-freeze out in your own yard. Dog was breaking the law himself by trespassing.

And a dog knows what trespassing is?

You are fucktarded.