Its wasteful spending and I wil be voting NO hope everyone votes no. This has to stop; we can't keep voting yes in this Bond referndum.

This is the worst Bond ever...



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Would the OP please explain why they are opposed to the bond issue?

YES! So glad that people are waking up and willing to vote NO on the bond referendum! Here's the deal, when a project is listed on the bond referendum (i.e. planning $$ for school renovations) there is NO guarantee that that money will be used for that project. Perfect example, Clifton Elementary. Voters approved planning money ($2million to be exact) for renovating Clifton Elementary in 2008. In 2010, the FCPS school board voted to close Clifton Elementary. Where did that $2 million go?

Before you vote yes on another bond referendum, do your homework and find out exactly where previously approved bond monies have gone. You'd be shocked!!

When there is no accountability or transparency, there is no guarantee those bond funds will be used for what the county has said they will be used for.

VOTE NO!!

I never vote for Bonds, and keepin up the Ol' tradition!

YES! Please encourage everyone you know to vote NO on the bond issue.

The whole redistricting chaos has convinced me that no one on the School Board knows anything about accountability. Several groups asked where the money for renovations/additions/trailers was suppose to come from. Often the answer was left over money from previous bonds. Which meant that the school's slated to get that money got screwed.

Don't trust them with any more money until the Board can account for what they already have.

This bond is needed to fund the renovation of TJHSST. What do you think it says about the county if its residents aren't prepared to support THE #1 SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY?!

Do you want the county to be known as home to the best school in the country or a bunch of tea party wanna-be's?

details please Wrote:
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> Would the OP please explain why they are opposed
> to the bond issue?

Too tall of an order.

Someone else told the OP what to think. You'd have to ask that person.

Uh, no that money is not needed. Call Mr. Dean Tisdadt and ask him exactly how much money they have sitting in "construction funds". At one meeting I attended it was in the ballpark of $60 million, just waiting for a project. That came directly from Mr. Tisdadt himself. So don't try to tell me that FCPS "needs" that money.

This isn't about supporting TJHSST. This is about restoring accountability and transparency to the School Board. They can't be trusted. Even if the bond is approved, which it most likely will be since historically in Fairfax County school bonds are ALWAYS approved, there's no guarantee that money will be used for TJ. If you think for one minute that TJ can't be bumped just like numerous other schools have been, you've got another thing coming.

To: Young Scientist-I think your sarcasm detector is broken.

Robinson just got a 700K track and that's only part of their 30 million dollar athletic center modernization project.

Hey all you Ram fans stand up and clap your hands!

I have been screaming this for a couple of months! They (FCPS) can not afford another bond!

I could care less what school needs to be renovated. Forget stupid raises for whining ass bitches, forget smart boards, and recycle text books! Perhaps the school administration teaches themselves about fiscal conservation before asking the citizens to vote yes on some BS bond!

Bonds Schmonds Wrote:
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> YES! So glad that people are waking up and
> willing to vote NO on the bond referendum! Here's
> the deal, when a project is listed on the bond
> referendum (i.e. planning $$ for school
> renovations) there is NO guarantee that that money
> will be used for that project. Perfect example,
> Clifton Elementary. Voters approved planning
> money ($2million to be exact) for renovating
> Clifton Elementary in 2008. In 2010, the FCPS
> school board voted to close Clifton Elementary.
> Where did that $2 million go?
>
> Before you vote yes on another bond referendum, do
> your homework and find out exactly where
> previously approved bond monies have gone. You'd
> be shocked!!
>
> When there is no accountability or transparency,
> there is no guarantee those bond funds will be
> used for what the county has said they will be
> used for.
>
> VOTE NO!!


Jesus Tapdancing Christ. The world revolves around the (former) Clifton Elementary. I hope they tear that freakin' building down and salt the earth so nothing ever grows there.

We need a webcam pointed at Clifton Elem to keep us updated.

What are the crooks and criminals from Tistadt's office doing with the property there anyways?

It's gonna cost a million dollars to tear it down.

Never again will I give one dime to the FCPS in bond form.

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So, as most of you Fairfax folks tend to vote for the Liberal party, you've now decided to be somewhat conservative and not vote for the school bonds? However, you'll vote in your Democratic candidates so they can stick it to you in the ass with all of the tax increases they want to apply to you?

I don't understand the logic of Liberal voters.

A Question Wrote:
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> So, as most of you Fairfax folks tend to vote for
> the Liberal party, you've now decided to be
> somewhat conservative and not vote for the school
> bonds? However, you'll vote in your Democratic
> candidates so they can stick it to you in the ass
> with all of the tax increases they want to apply
> to you?
>
> I don't understand the logic of Liberal voters.

You assume two or three posters are representative of all Fairfax voters? You are the last person to accuse anyone of illogical reasoning.

RR Wrote:
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> You assume two or three posters are representative
> of all Fairfax voters? You are the last person to
> accuse anyone of illogical reasoning.

No, I'm not the last person to accuse anyone of illogical reasoning. It's a fact that the majority of Fairfax county citizens vote Democratic. I read through the results after every election. Rarely, does a conservative get voted in by Fairfax voters.

TJHS is NOT the number 1 high school in the country. It's beat-out by most of the home-schools.

Make like Ron Paul and "vote against everything". Don't allow the looters to loot.

You're an idiot. George Lazenby was way better than Tim Dalton.

I am voting no. Remember when you are voting for bonds you are voting to increase your property taxes. You vote to put future money into capital projects. At this point we need to stop spending what we don't have. I was disgusted to see School Board member Moon and Tessie Wilson (?) during a videotaped clip last night welcoming parents back to school night, use that time to push everyone to vote Yes for bonds. "invest in the future" Who's future!?!

I will vote NO to the school bond. They should get no additional money until they agree to have an outside auditor to prove where the money has been going. The FFx Co. Board of Supervisors has an outside auditor, and has recommended that the school board follow suit, but the school board refuses.The Board of Supervisors' audit recommended ways that the county could save money, but the school board doesn't care about that...

Bonds can never be trusted.

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A Question Wrote:
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> So, as most of you Fairfax folks tend to vote for
> the Liberal party, you've now decided to be
> somewhat conservative and not vote for the school
> bonds? However, you'll vote in your Democratic
> candidates so they can stick it to you in the ass
> with all of the tax increases they want to apply
> to you?
>
> I don't understand the logic of Liberal voters.

Better than voting for many of the Republicans who want to cut taxes without cutting spending and in many cases, raise spending.

ANd actually, most of the voters in Fairfax are moderate. The problem lies in the Republican candidates all being so far right wing that it's insane.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/14/2011 10:04AM by Shadow.

There is one simple reason to vote no for the school bonds...it is the equivalent of having a relatively low interest rate credit card with a spending limit that increases by an incremental $155M every year. And the rate is not guaranteed to remain at low levels forever. If we need $155M a year for upkeep to existing buildings, pay it from operations. If we need a completely new facility, then a bond makes sense. I agree with one other poster here, open up the books and show us where the prior bond funds have been, or in some cases have not been spent. To not show a clear accounting of the expenditure of those funds at a rate of $155M a year is nothing but shady. What does Dale and the Board have to hide?

Voting "no" does not hurt the SB, it hurts the students who attend schools in dire need of renovation and it hurts the property value of homeowners whose neighborhood school is full of mold and asbestos. VOTE THE SCHOOL BOARD OUT..FIRE THEM ALL and pay very careful atention to who you are voting in. Most people just vote party line without knowing who the hell they're voting for. Pay very close attention to these candidates running for school board.

No one votes.

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> No one votes.

Well, then that's just stupid. As a citizen, you have the right to vote. Not taking that right is foolish. Maybe, you should move to a country where the voting process is rigged - or, where they've already checked the box on the ballot for you.

wake up Wrote:
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> Voting "no" does not hurt the SB, it hurts the
> students who attend schools in dire need of
> renovation and it hurts the property value of
> homeowners whose neighborhood school is full of
> mold and asbestos. VOTE THE SCHOOL BOARD
> OUT..FIRE THEM ALL and pay very careful atention
> to who you are voting in. Most people just vote
> party line without knowing who the hell they're
> voting for. Pay very close attention to these
> candidates running for school board.

Hear, hear! Don't stop in questioning the local school board, question your delegates in Richmond. Inform yourself and vote for or vote against but VOTE.

You're telling me they can't get rid of the mold an asbestos without this bond? How on earth could you believe the bond would go towards cleaning up mold and asbestos?

You know very well that after a majority of the money is skimmed into some admin's pocket, the rest will be used as an excuse to pull money away from other school projects and consolidated for football/security expenditures. Some schools already have the naked body scanners and FCPS is gettin' mighty jealous.

I'll vote no. But relax everyone - the bond referendum will pass. I've voted NO on every single bond referendum in FFXCO for over 20 years and every one of them passed overwhelmingly. No reason to think this one will be any different.

A Question Wrote:
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> postpoppunk Wrote:
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> > No one votes.
>
> Well, then that's just stupid. As a citizen, you
> have the right to vote. Not taking that right is
> foolish. Maybe, you should move to a country
> where the voting process is rigged - or, where
> they've already checked the box on the ballot for
> you.


It IS "rigged" you dumb fuck - you are voting into a ONE party system that in no way will enforce an actual "vote"...you are being herded into thinking that you are part of a system that already has made decisions regardless of number of YES or NO responses.

But, enjoy your personal imaginary world while you can...have fun pretending to make a difference. Oh yeah, if you voted for something and it was the result you were hoping for? You did NOT have anything to do with that, it was decided way before you went through the pointless ritual of "voting".

Look at the bigger picture...

If the government said that they were going to be a ONE PARTY system and offer 2 candidates each election for POTUS, would you be OK with that? NO - you would not, but that is what you already have in the form of a ONE PARTY government conveniently LABELED with 2 different names. Separate the people, as they so easily do to those like yourself, and let them spend all their time arguing amongst themselves as business as usual goes on at the ole' US government.

If you can not see that offering up 2 candidates per election is NOT a ONE PARTY system (With 2 brands), well have fun in your little silly world.

newgatedenizen Wrote:
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> I'll vote no. But relax everyone - the bond
> referendum will pass. I've voted NO on every
> single bond referendum in FFXCO for over 20 years
> and every one of them passed overwhelmingly. No
> reason to think this one will be any different.

Actually a bond did fail to pass for schools back in the late 70s when economic turmoil was similar to today. Never say never, just try to get word out to the electorate that FCPS has been sitting on tens of millions of school bond dollars the past couple of years and crying poor at the same time.

I wasnt even going to vote but I will vote yes now just cuz of all the tards telling me to vote no

It is important to understand that although the county advertises by line item what the money will be spent on, they are under no legal obligation to spend it on that specific school or project.

Which makes it even more important to vote for the right School Board members.

By passing the referendum, it merely grants Fairfax County the authority to borrow the money.

The lag time between bond approval and the projects being renovated is about 5-7 years.

If the 2011 bond referendum failed, they would just introduce another one in 2013.

No harm would come from it.

Frankly, I think it could be a wake up call to the jerks at FCPS that we have had it with their crap.

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postpoppunk Wrote:
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>
> It IS "rigged" you dumb fuck - you are voting into
> a ONE party system that in no way will enforce an
> actual "vote"...you are being herded into thinking
> that you are part of a system that already has
> made decisions regardless of number of YES or NO
> responses.
>
> But, enjoy your personal imaginary world while you
> can...have fun pretending to make a difference. Oh
> yeah, if you voted for something and it was the
> result you were hoping for? You did NOT have
> anything to do with that, it was decided way
> before you went through the pointless ritual of
> "voting".
>
> Look at the bigger picture...
>
> If the government said that they were going to be
> a ONE PARTY system and offer 2 candidates each
> election for POTUS, would you be OK with that? NO
> - you would not, but that is what you already have
> in the form of a ONE PARTY government conveniently
> LABELED with 2 different names. Separate the
> people, as they so easily do to those like
> yourself, and let them spend all their time
> arguing amongst themselves as business as usual
> goes on at the ole' US government.
>
> If you can not see that offering up 2 candidates
> per election is NOT a ONE PARTY system (With 2
> brands), well have fun in your little silly world.

No. YOU are the dumb fuck ... you dumb fuck. What a retard. Someone who has the right to vote, but chooses not to because he thinks the system is all rigged is the dumbest thing I've heard in the past few months. In a way, I'm probably glad you're not voting as your mentality would have you voting for Obama anyway. One less vote for Obama is one more vote for the opposition.

Thank you for not voting, you dumb fuck!

A Question Wrote:
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> No. YOU are the dumb fuck ... you dumb fuck.
> What a retard. Someone who has the right to vote,
> but chooses not to because he thinks the system is
> all rigged is the dumbest thing I've heard in the
> past few months. In a way, I'm probably glad
> you're not voting as your mentality would have you
> voting for Obama anyway. One less vote for Obama
> is one more vote for the opposition.
>
> Thank you for not voting, you dumb fuck!

You ALMOST made a valid point until.....you showed your ignorance and could not contain yourself...puking out "you voting for Obama anyway"

ANOTHER helpless, dumb cunt that can not think for themselves and lets others make their decisions --- enjoy your LABEL.

If you are a member of, or label yourself as one of ANY political party --- you have given up your right to even open your useless parroting mouth about ANYTHING to do with the US Government...actually, that applies to your opinion on most everything.

postpoppunk Wrote:
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>
> You ALMOST made a valid point until.....you showed
> your ignorance and could not contain
> yourself...puking out "you voting for Obama
> anyway"
>
> ANOTHER helpless, dumb cunt that can not think for
> themselves and lets others make their decisions
> --- enjoy your LABEL.
>
> If you are a member of, or label yourself as one
> of ANY political party --- you have given up your
> right to even open your useless parroting mouth
> about ANYTHING to do with the US
> Government...actually, that applies to your
> opinion on most everything.

Don't you think that at 40 years old, it's time to move out of your momma's basement and get a place of your own?

A Question Wrote:
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> Don't you think that at 40 years old, it's time to
> move out of your momma's basement and get a place
> of your own?

Your retort cries of "I have lost and have nothing of value to say, so I will act like a 3rd grader and call names" - Bravo!

postpoppunk Wrote:
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> Your retort cries of "I have lost and have nothing
> of value to say, so I will act like a 3rd grader
> and call names" - Bravo!


Resorted to calling names? Pot, meet kettle. You've been name calling from your first response. Scroll back up and read a little of your first response.

What time does mommy want you to turn the lights out?

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> I wasnt even going to vote but I will vote yes now
> just cuz of all the tards telling me to vote no


FCPS Teaching voting NO!!!

A bond issue is just a delayed tax hike; someone has to pay for it later. As a matter of principle, I do not vote, but if you do partake, vote in the negative.

I think insteaad of bonds we should have lots of bake sales.

Say how many rainy day funds does the county have and how much cash is sitting in them

I kind of liked Pierce Bronson as James Bond. Only they played up his prettiness too much. As an actor in other roles he's shown a harder edge. Matador

While this thread is a step to enlighten people about the truth of bonds, I sincerely doubt it will have much effect on getting this bond voted down. Other avenues need to be pursued. Most of Fx county tends to vote yes because SOMEWHERE in the bond is something for THEIR school district.

Check it out, there's items for schools from one side of the county to the other. Everyone votes yes because they want their school to get their slice of the pie. Many don't realize exactly what a bond is or how it gets paid. And the school board advertises it as if none of these things will happen without a bond referendum. Because clearly, the budget for the schools isn't large enough.

The Springfield Connection

Letter: Vote 'Yes' on School Bond
Letter to the Editor

Wednesday, September 14, 2011


To the Editor:

Because there is no better time than now to invest in our future, I support the Fairfax County school bond referendum. If approved, the bond measure will provide tax-free funding to improve more than 20 public schools across Fairfax without diverting critically necessary funds from the classroom. Among these schools are Fairfax Villa Elementary and our celebrated magnet school, Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology. These improvements will benefit not only the immediate school population but also the many thousands of citizens attending classes, camps and recreational programs held at these facilities. Ask a Realtor how important good schools are for a community, or, better yet, ask a CEO why Fairfax is so attractive to business.

With interest rates at record lows, this is the perfect opportunity to invest in our children’s future before rates eventually rise. Moreover, we should take advantage of Fairfax County’s AAA credit rating, a rating which very few counties (and even countries) have. With construction costs also at record lows, never has there been a better opportunity to take advantage of such value. It makes good sense.

Though Fairfax County has world-class schools, many of these schools need critical improvements to house the ever-growing student population. Failing to take advantage of an opportunity to invest in our children at a time of exceptional value with no cost to the taxpayer or to the students in the classroom would be unfortunate. That is why on Nov. 8, I encourage all Fairfax County voters to vote “yes” on the school bond referendum.

John Fee
Fairfax Citizens for Better Schools
Braddock District

Because there is no better time than now to invest in our future,

?????Huh? What does this mean????

I support the Fairfax County school bond referendum. If approved, the bond measure will provide tax-free funding to improve more than 20 public schools across Fairfax without diverting critically necessary funds from the classroom

???Tax free funding???? Since when do municipalities pay taxes???

???Diverting funds from classrooms???

Since when were bond proceeds EVER supposed to be used for ongoing expenses???

FCPS has a $2.2 billion operating budget and one of the highest per pupil spensing costs in the country.

Bond money is SUPPOSED to be separate from the operating expenses. But is it? How much bond money which carries TWENTY YEAR BORROWING COSTS, is used for what should be operating expenses?

Why are we using bond money to buy computers with a 7 year life?

Why are we using bond money for paving parking lots?

I suggest that John Fee go do his homework about bonds before sending in a LTE.

How can they justify 84 million for TJ? That's insane. If they built a new high school on sacred ground and filled it with platinum desks it wouldn't cost 84 million.

It's just irresponsible.

Re: 2011 Bond Referendum VOTE NO
Posted by: some details
It is important to understand that although the county advertises by line item what the money will be spent on, they are under no legal obligation to spend it on that specific school or project.


Interesting that your Post Name is "some detail", yet you offer none. How about a citation for this claim you make, eh? If you can't offer that, you are full of shit.

Ok, then, oh ignorant one. Let's start with the 2005 Bond Referendum which the Fairfax County sheep BAAAAHHHHAAAED to:

$2,000,000 BRAC IMPACT PLANNING

$1,000,000 Clifton ELem PLANNING

$15,323,000 Graham Road Elem Renovation


Clifton and Graham Road are now closed.

BRAC is expected to bring in about 60 new students spread out over several schools-no impact on facilities AT ALL. The money was used for SOCO MS.

What does SOCO MS have to do with BRAC Impact?

Let's take a looksee at the 2007 bond referendum, shall we?

ANOTHER $1,000,000 for Clifton planning (closed)

$7,5000,000 for Pimmitt Hills Renovation (closed)

$4,000,000 for Full Day Kindergarten (my favorite!) Keep in mind this is 4 years ago!

$6,000,000 High Schools Of The Future (who knows where this $ went!)

$50,000,000 Bus Service Facility (good GOD what were you people thinking?!)


SO, where is the money for these projects? Anyone?

You would have to be dumb as a box of rocks to give these crooks another penny of bond money.

What I find rather odd is the 2009 bond deal.

It lists SOCO MS for $50,000,000.

I won't blab on about how we don't even need this school-even that idiot Stu Gibson voted against this.But here is the interesting thing.

EVERY school has waited their turn.

Edison-renovations nearly complete was on the 2005 bond referendum (6 year wait).

Marshall and TJ received planning money on the 2007 bond referendum and won't be done for several years.

Why did SOCO MS jump to the front of the line ahead of schools on prior deals??

The county hasn't even borrowed the funds yet from the 2009 referendum.

How did SOCO MS get built? With what money?

ANSWER: Inflated prices on prior deals and savings due to construction costs dropping 15% from the 2008 peak.

Instead of FCPS taking that savings and accelerating a school that was aready in line. Bradsher and her cronies from SOCO demanded that they go first ahead of all the other schools.

Great system they have going here.

Build a school we don't even need ahead of renovating a school like West Springfield that has waited 40 years and is falling apart.

Letter: Vote ‘Yes’ On School Bond
Letter to the Editor

Monday, September 12, 2011


To the Editor:

Many of our public schools desperately need to be updated so our children have the classrooms and equipment they need to thrive. All Fairfax County citizens can play a role in making this a reality by voting “yes” on the school bond referendum on Nov. 8. The school bond provides low-interest funding to improve more than 20 schools across Fairfax County, with no increase in our tax bills, and without jeopardizing the county’s AAA bond rating.

Supporting the school bond means supporting technology upgrades, roof replacements, HVAC replacement, athletic infrastructure, ADA upgrades, security improvements and more. And with interest rates and construction costs at historic lows, there has never been a better opportunity to invest in our schools. With many of the multi-national companies in Fairfax County citing our world-class schools a reason why they decided to locate here, investment in our schools is also an investment in our economic future.

Supporting the school bond referendum is a great opportunity to support the future of Fairfax County. Vote “yes” on Nov. 8.

Randy Becker
Fairfax Citizens for Better Schools
Springfield District

like cockroaches Wrote:
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> Letter: Vote ‘Yes’ On School Bond
> Letter to the Editor
>
> Monday, September 12, 2011
>
>
> To the Editor:
>
> Many of our public schools desperately need to be
> updated so our children have the classrooms and
> equipment they need to thrive. All Fairfax County
> citizens can play a role in making this a reality
> by voting “yes” on the school bond referendum
> on Nov. 8. The school bond provides low-interest
> funding to improve more than 20 schools across
> Fairfax County, with no increase in our tax bills,
> and without jeopardizing the county’s AAA bond
> rating.
>
> Supporting the school bond means supporting
> technology upgrades, roof replacements, HVAC
> replacement, athletic infrastructure, ADA
> upgrades, security improvements and more. And with
> interest rates and construction costs at historic
> lows, there has never been a better opportunity to
> invest in our schools. With many of the
> multi-national companies in Fairfax County citing
> our world-class schools a reason why they decided
> to locate here, investment in our schools is also
> an investment in our economic future.
>
> Supporting the school bond referendum is a great
> opportunity to support the future of Fairfax
> County. Vote “yes” on Nov. 8.
>
> Randy Becker
> Fairfax Citizens for Better Schools
> Springfield District


This is something that should be a part of the regular budget, not something we borrow for and pay for the next twenty years.

Are there any organized groups working for Vote NO on this year's school bond?

No Moron, there is not. As much as we might detest the school board the bond money is for desperately needed renovations to schools, which in turn affects our property value.

Does anyone know if there is going to be a Park Authority bond this year? I hope not, they always win, too. Those soccer moms are used to buying on credit.

Bonds are going to pay for TJ renovations? Fuck that.

Short sighted people, have short sighted minds

Jacob's ladder to enlightenment Wrote:
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> No Moron, there is not. As much as we might
> detest the school board the bond money is for
> desperately needed renovations to schools, which
> in turn affects our property value.


You are not voting for or against the needed renovations. This is political slight-of-hand.

A bond referendum is asking the voters whether or not the county can use debt to pay for it, not whether or not they want the county to actually do the underlying project.

Voting no doesn't mean you don't want to renovate schools, it means you don't want the county to sell bonds in order to fund it.

I vote against all bond referendums because of "fine print" that's usually buried in them. Been burned before.