Parental Opinion Wrote:
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> Strangely, my good kid/good student child is doing
> fine under the draconian SR&R and undoubtedly will
> continue to do so for the last few remaining years
> of her Fairfax County schooling.
>
> She must be doing something wrong, huh?

Since FCPS reports 69,000 of 80,000 secondary school students have a discipline incident on their record, it's safe to say either that it's only a matter of time for your kid or that your kid represents a distinct small minority.

So chill on the hubris.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/17/2011 07:53PM by Thomas More.

I seem to read that 69,000 incidents were reported for all students in all grades and that this was incidents, not students.

Guess what - like literally hundreds of thousands of other parents, I'm not the slightest bit worried about my good kid/good student getting through FCPS without...you now...incident.

As far as the bad kids with their bad parents - as noted in probably three dozen other threads pretty much about the same subject - fuck 'em.

I love it when parents do this-most incidents are not reported and it will happen to you, it has NOTHING to do with if you little darling is "good" or not, it has to do with being in the wrong place at the wrong time and is totally random.

Maybe a handful out of the hundred thousand incidents are due to being "in thw wrong place at the wrong time".

If that.

The rest are due to YOUR little darlings fucking up on purpose.

Agreed, the only ones I heard about getting in trouble aat school were the the ones that were neighborhood turds the whole time growing up with mommy and daddy making alibis and excuses for them .Try doing some parenting, you will be surprised at the results.

stop the whining Wrote:
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> Agreed, the only ones I heard about getting in
> trouble aat school were the the ones that were
> neighborhood turds the whole time growing up with
> mommy and daddy making alibis and excuses for them
> .Try doing some parenting, you will be surprised
> at the results.

+1

When I was going through the public school system, my parents read the handbook and then made me read the handbook, too. If I screwed up and broke one of the rules, they didn't blame the school; I should have known better. Consequently, I never had a serious disciplinary infraction. No detention, no suspension, nothing.

I followed all of the rules, got decent grades, and yet somehow I managed to participate in school musicals, learn four instruments, perform in talent shows, start a garage band, and learned how to sculpt and oil paint. You parents complaining that your kids will turn into mindless soulless zombie robots if they follow a couple simple rules are fucking stupid.

stop the whining Wrote:
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> Agreed, the only ones I heard about getting in
> trouble aat school were the the ones that were
> neighborhood turds the whole time growing up with
> mommy and daddy making alibis and excuses for them
> .Try doing some parenting, you will be surprised
> at the results.

Usual BS. The kids who were turds in the neighborhood are more likely to be caught doing bad things because they are generally identified as "bad kids" by the system early and their actions are subjected to greater scrutiny. The kids whose parents have their heads stuck in the sand are likely to get into trouble because the lack of being held accountable at home leads them to assume the same will happen elsewhere, making them careless. However quite often the thing that distinguishes the "good kids" from the "bad kids" isn't behavoir. It is whether they have been caught. As for blaming the parents I still believe that old line is true: "kids are just going to do what they're going to do. They are like people that way."

Bill N Wrote:
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> As for blaming the parents I still
> believe that old line is true: "kids are just
> going to do what they're going to do. They are
> like people that way."

What a cop out. Maybe we shouldn't punish criminals because "they're just going to do what they're going to do. They're like people that way."

You expect the school to raise your kid, but hate how the school's raising your kid. Pick one for Christ's sake.

never signed one of those in all my time at highschool its not a big deal the worst that will happen is your teacher will ask you about it and you just say "ooooooo sorry i forgot it"

"OH Please"- your kids may be compared to criminals but mine aren't - the apple doesn't fall far from the tree...

I doubt "parental opinion" is a parent, and certainly not a good one

westfield 10grad Wrote:
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> never signed one of those in all my time at
> highschool its not a big deal...

Never understood why people won't sign the silly "Yeah, I got it" sheet.

Bill N Wrote:
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> stop the whining Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Agreed, the only ones I heard about getting in
> > trouble aat school were the the ones that were
> > neighborhood turds the whole time growing up
> with
> > mommy and daddy making alibis and excuses for
> them
> > .Try doing some parenting, you will be
> surprised
> > at the results.
>
> Usual BS. The kids who were turds in the
> neighborhood are more likely to be caught doing
> bad things because they are generally identified
> as "bad kids" by the system early and their
> actions are subjected to greater scrutiny. The
> kids whose parents have their heads stuck in the
> sand are likely to get into trouble because the
> lack of being held accountable at home leads them
> to assume the same will happen elsewhere, making
> them careless. However quite often the thing that
> distinguishes the "good kids" from the "bad kids"
> isn't behavoir. It is whether they have been
> caught. As for blaming the parents I still
> believe that old line is true: "kids are just
> going to do what they're going to do. They are
> like people that way."


Absolutely, with 3 or 4 security people at each school and 2500 to 3000 students, I am sure they have time to follow and scrutinize those identified as "Bad Kids", Please tell me you dont really have children.

With only 3 or 4 security people at each school, where do you think they are going to focus their efforts?

@ Oh please-You are mixing different concepts, but you knew this. A criminal has control over whether he commits a crime. A parent doesn't have the same degree of control over whether his kid does. There are many homes that have managed to produce both great kids and shits. If the apple doesn't fall far, why does one turn out ok and the other not? The difference isn't just the different parenting within the same household-sometimes it is the free will of the child. And show me one place where I said I wanted the schools or anyone else beside me to raise my kid.

It really makes no difference whether a kid is good or bad, just what they did wrong. Punish the behavior, not some esoteric concept of whether they are good or bad.

I never could understand the concept of things like 'hate' crimes. If you assault someone, the punishment should be for the crime. Who cares if you did it because you were drunk, or racist, or whatever.

FCPS needs a reasonable, progressive system of discipline. They don't have that now - they skip right to the 10 day suspension for many things, and after that to the explusion. This requires administrators that can make and defend judgements on what the correct punishment for the crime, uh, sorry, SR&R violation.

good or bad, whatever Wrote:
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> It really makes no difference whether a kid is
> good or bad, just what they did wrong. Punish the
> behavior, not some esoteric concept of whether
> they are good or bad.
>
> I never could understand the concept of things
> like 'hate' crimes. If you assault someone, the
> punishment should be for the crime. Who cares if
> you did it because you were drunk, or racist, or
> whatever.
>
> FCPS needs a reasonable, progressive system of
> discipline. They don't have that now - they skip
> right to the 10 day suspension for many things,
> and after that to the explusion. This requires
> administrators that can make and defend judgements
> on what the correct punishment for the crime, uh,
> sorry, SR&R violation.


What evidence do you have that they skip right to the 10 day suspension?

It's not like they would suspend you for 10 days for doing something as innocent as say, running down the sidelines of a football game in a banana costume during halftime. Nope, would never happen.

http://gawker.com/5842026/school-suspends-teenage-banana-man-for-harmless-stunt

Just got a note home on Sexual Harassment training for 4th graders in FCPS. Since they don't get to Sex Ed until the FLE stuff in 5th grade, it should be very amusing to see them try to teach 4th graders what sexual harassment is.

At least they are limiting it (so it seems) to the 'hostile environment' kind of sexual harassment. I can only imagine what would happen if they covered the 'quid pro quo' kind. I'll trade you my twinkie for a......

This is typical for the "horse before the cart" approach at FCPS where concepts often don't seem completely thought through. God forbid you should give them good information about preventing pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases but they are sooo against sexual harassment, which actually means nothing in an elementary school setting.