Yep. And drive Pope's Head all the way there. Treacherous. Clifton Rd. already handles many commuters at 45 mph (many more than the limit) already. Should be interesting with more buses in the mix.

@saw the map


uh, don't know what map you're looking at, but the kids are being sent to 3 different schools: Union Mill, Fairview and Oak View.

In Your Face Wrote:
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> bwahaha Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > She is about as electable as Palin. But if she
> > does get the post I'll be sure to FOIA her
> emails
> > and post them here to ridicule.
> >
> > Understand the BOS is considering the use of
> CES
> > as low income housing.
> >
> > Perfect.
>
> Liz Schultz is quite electable, and she has enough
> sense not to send out damaging e-mails under an
> fcps.edu e-mail account.
>
> The day Liz Bradsher leaves office will be a day
> to celebrate. The day she leaves the county will
> be even better.

I want someone who brings folks together. This woman sounds like someone who can and who people have supported in for a long time.
http://connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=319513&paper=81&cat=110

Would vote for her every day and ten times on Sunday over this horror of a divider:

From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [mailto:ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Erik & Mary Hawkins
Sent: 6/9/2010 11:29:05 PM
Subject: RE: Reenaging SOAR for July FCPS Staff/SB CIP Meetings
Attachments:
Erik,
If you have concerns about the Clifton issues and impact to schools like WSHS now is the time to write into the Board and begin a campaign. Clifton community members have written in droves about their school and don’t
seem to understand CIP needs elsewhere.
BTW your renovation will be completed in 2018 not 2019!
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070

Rodney Wrote:
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>
> I want someone who brings folks together. This
> woman sounds like someone who can and who people
> have supported in for a long time.

I wouldn't vote for that troublemaker if she was the only candidate on the ballot.

@ Gordon - question for all: are buses really, seriously going to have to cross the Parkway at Popes Head now?

Im sure Fairview Kids will probably travel Fairfax Station Road, union Mill Kids will use Twin Lakes Road, but thats on the way to school, they may very well cross over FCP at Popse Head on their way to pick the kids up though.


dell ave Wrote:
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> thanks for the link , wow.
> Is this statement true? I have a hard time
> beliveing it.
>
> "The Clifton Elementary case has transcended the
> attempt by a majority of this School Board to
> close a well preserved, highly achieving community
> anchor and only school in a 40-square-mile area."
>
> 40 square miles ???????

Now, at my ol friend Dell Ave...

Do you know what a square mile is?
Clifton ES to Fairvies is 5.1 mi, to Union Mill is 3.4 and Oak View is 7.7... Lets look at the map...


View Larger Map

Yes, 40 square miles looks very accurate...

40 sq miles doesn't entitle Clifton to an expensive school fraught with repair needs for a declining and small school population.

But we already covered this.

More importantly, who will bring the tissues to the party!

or is it your girlfriend, Lizzy B?

>Clifton to an expensive school fraught with repair needs for a declining and >small school population.

Really?

Then you got some 'splainin to do.

http://www.input.com/blogs/public/index.cfm/2011/5/11/Fairfax-County-Public-Schools-approves-252M-for-architecture-engineering-construction-and-IT
Attachments:

Ouch!

Which school is less than what FCPS said Clifton's renovation would cost?

Oh, snap.

None.

Build new versus renovate can be a complex and difficult decision process when there is a significant cost differential. Build new provides a facility with more modern and efficient electrical, HVAC, plumbing, and telecommunications backbone, something that cannot be equaled with renovation. Plus, build new provides a much longer useful life expectancy than renovation. Build new typically produces a facility with a 25 year expectancy before renovation. Renovation provides 10 years or less.

When the costs are roughly equal, it quickly becomes a no-brainer. Of course, that assumes that you are a facilities management professional and not a politician. The School Board got it right, esp. if you take into account the declining enrollment in Clifton.

Welcome to the 21st Century, Clifton, where the neighborhood school is no longer affordable.

My favorite part of this whole CES thing is the hag moms whining about their kids having to make new friends. Are your children all supposed to go through life (HS, college, jobs etc) together and never have to build new relationships? LOfuckingL! Give me a break.

Five acres Wrote:
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> 40 sq miles doesn't entitle Clifton to an
> expensive school fraught with repair needs for a
> declining and small school population.
> But we already covered this.
> More importantly, who will bring the tissues to
> the party!


If you had matriculated from Clifton Elementary, you would know:


Definition of TOO

1: besides, also 'sell the house and furniture too'
2 a: to an excessive degree : excessively 'too large a house for us' b: to such a degree as to be regrettable 'this time he has gone too far' c: very 'didn't seem too interested'
3: so “I didn't do it.” “You did too.”

Examples of TOO:
He saw something, and she saw it too.
I want to go too!
The soup is too hot.
The offer was too good to refuse.

You are too stupid to have read this far.

JBass Wrote:
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> @ Gordon - question for all: are buses really,
> seriously going to have to cross the Parkway at
> Popes Head now?
>
> Im sure Fairview Kids will probably travel Fairfax
> Station Road, union Mill Kids will use Twin Lakes
> Road, but thats on the way to school, they may
> very well cross over FCP at Popse Head on their
> way to pick the kids up though.
>
>
> dell ave Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > thanks for the link , wow.
> > Is this statement true? I have a hard time
> > beliveing it.
> >
> > "The Clifton Elementary case has transcended
> the
> > attempt by a majority of this School Board to
> > close a well preserved, highly achieving
> community
> > anchor and only school in a 40-square-mile
> area."
> >
> > 40 square miles ???????
>
> Now, at my ol friend Dell Ave...
>
> Do you know what a square mile is?
> Clifton ES to Fairvies is 5.1 mi, to Union Mill is
> 3.4 and Oak View is 7.7... Lets look at the
> map...
>
> View Larger Map
>
> Yes, 40 square miles looks very accurate...


That is SOOO awesome.
wish it was 80 sq miles.

If we could all stop hurling insults and just look at the facts, this would be a better place. Think you win here simply with the last word, anyone?

Then you'll likely be asleep at the wheel when they damage your neighborhood. Take another look at the paragraph that discusses declining enrollment here. http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=351804&paper=81&cat=110

Then do your homework, and check into the numbers yourself. Pull out a calculator. Don't take anyone's blanket statements at face value until you've crunched the numbers yourself. I know it's work, but that's how one forms valuable opinions that are worthy of debate.

And just wait until the nearby schools need even more space than trailers will provide. This "solution" is short sighted. Time will tell.


Roc Wrote:
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> Build new versus renovate can be a complex and
> difficult decision process when there is a
> significant cost differential. Build new provides
> a facility with more modern and efficient
> electrical, HVAC, plumbing, and telecommunications
> backbone, something that cannot be equaled with
> renovation. Plus, build new provides a much longer
> useful life expectancy than renovation. Build new
> typically produces a facility with a 25 year
> expectancy before renovation. Renovation provides
> 10 years or less.
>
> When the costs are roughly equal, it quickly
> becomes a no-brainer. Of course, that assumes that
> you are a facilities management professional and
> not a politician. The School Board got it right,
> esp. if you take into account the declining
> enrollment in Clifton.
>
> Welcome to the 21st Century, Clifton, where the
> neighborhood school is no longer affordable.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> question for all: are buses really, seriously
> going to have to cross the Parkway at Popes Head
> now?


What's the big deal about crossing the Parkway at Popes Head? Other than waiting 5 minutes for a green light, plus a bit more for the red light runners?

that's funny........cause the same road intersection caused a HUGE commotion a cpl years back when it was all about the Islamic School

http://connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=330867&paper=81&cat=104

interesting how things work...................

Grammar Much? Wrote:
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> Five acres Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 40 sq miles doesn't entitle Clifton to an
> > expensive school fraught with repair needs for
> a
> > declining and small school population.
> > But we already covered this.
> > More importantly, who will bring the tissues to
> > the party!
>
>
> If you had matriculated from Clifton Elementary,
> you would know:
>
>
> Definition of TOO
>
> 1: besides, also 'sell the house and furniture
> too'
> 2 a: to an excessive degree : excessively 'too
> large a house for us' b: to such a degree as to be
> regrettable 'this time he has gone too far' c:
> very 'didn't seem too interested'
> 3: so “I didn't do it.” “You did too.”
>
> Examples of TOO:
> He saw something, and she saw it too.
> I want to go too!
> The soup is too hot.
> The offer was too good to refuse.
>
> You are too stupid to have read this far.

wtf? You're stupid for even writing this.

Is that you Ms. (Sarah Palin) Schultz?

Seems to me if anyone really cared, they'd go there on the last day, June 30th and chain themselves to the school in protest. I know I'll be there. Is there anyone else who will join me in saying FU to the school board???

I live in Clifton and SOME of the parents are so selfish.

My kids have come to accept their new school.

I hope the parents can get a grip and move on.

PS It is mostly the stuck up PTA moms who are into clicks and suck. I am happy to meet new people outside of Clifton.

As much as I hate what the clifton community has become I will still shead a tear in honer of the old place.

Do you need CERT there for this?

We need drinks!

Clifton Winery here we come!

Clifton wine.................it's made out of corn, isn't it?

LoLz

In the early 50's, Fairview parents were in an uproar because some of their kids were being redistricted to the brand new Clifton School. Clifton was ghetto back then.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

I am thinking of mailing a box of wine to Liz Bradsher to thank her for the mess she started.

Ghetto wine Wrote:
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> I am thinking of mailing a box of wine to Liz
> Bradsher to thank her for the mess she started.


Liz did her job. She deserves a ton of respect.

dell ave Wrote:
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> Liz did her a job on her constituents and the county. She deserves a ton of respect bricks dropped on her.

Fixed.

dell ave Wrote:
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> Ghetto wine Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am thinking of mailing a box of wine to Liz
> > Bradsher to thank her for the mess she started.
>
>
> Liz did her job. She deserves a ton of respect.

+1
Agreed. I understand why the Clifton residents hate her, but she made the hard right choice over the easier wrong one (which would have been to look the other way and keep CES open).

Tired of this already. If you're doing to TRY to stir the pot (really?!) at least give some compelling point other than "all my friends and me think so". Give one shred of evidence (valid and proven numbers, please) - otherwise choose some other board.

@oh please - you know, if yr sick of this, you should really try that little "X" at the top right of yr screen there. o_0

eh, it would be better if they just trot out the same old misinformation, at least.

I thought this was a place people could be a little enlightened, see other points of view (preferably, opinions supported by some facts) Otherwise, it's horribly adolescent. One has to weed through all the junk just to see some other well-supported points of view. The one I commented on - ? not.

better to let those who need to vent, vent. It's a VERY emotional issue. I wouldnt want my kids to end up in a trailer over this, and it looks like some kids are gonna have to deal with that crap.

It's not just the kids of Clifton being punished over this, y'know? Myself, I seriously doubt that those 3 other schools are really prepared to handle the crowding.

agreed! So I can't understand why folks on the other side of this need to vent. (or counter vent) Can't they leave damage done alone?

I really do hope, as this all unfolds, the effects are accurately reported, and mitigated, to the extent possible. I won't even go on with my hopes about karma for everyone. It will be interesting to see how this all works out, to say the least.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> better to let those who need to vent, vent. It's
> a VERY emotional issue. I wouldnt want my kids to
> end up in a trailer over this, and it looks like
> some kids are gonna have to deal with that crap.
>
> It's not just the kids of Clifton being punished
> over this, y'know? Myself, I seriously doubt that
> those 3 other schools are really prepared to
> handle the crowding.

Does anyone know if there will be free food at this party?
I figure these stuck up clifton people may have some good stuff.
Im not into hotdogs, those things are made out of lips and assholes.
Some shrimp would be nice.

ok, freeloader - just out of curiosity - how do you "know" that the ppl of Clifton are "stuck up"?

Cant imagine what you are thinking in yr head about the place LoLz

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> ok, freeloader - just out of curiosity - how do
> you "know" that the ppl of Clifton are "stuck
> up"?

Not hard to tell. Just read the posts here. Focus on the FOIA email thread first.

I think that even if the closing decision was not the right thing to do, the attitude and immaturity of Clifton residents, as depicted here and especially so in public with the FOIA requests, frivolous lawsuits, hate mail and letters to the editors turned off the rest of the county as a whole.

The behavior is like a group of spoiled brats who did not get their way.

well actually, it seems like a buncha scared ppl who are desperate for their little school not to close, is all.

If this had happened to Rose Hill or Hybla Valley Elementary Schools, and the parents acted just as passionate, I doubt you'd be calling them "stuck up"

I know I wouldnt want my kids bussed out my neighborhood to go to school in a trailer without a fight, that's for sure......................

I am glad someone on this thread knows how we feel about our great school closing.

Shame on the SB and Jack Dale for being so blind and to hurt many kids in the county from this process. Clifton is not going to be the only school to suffer from this mess.

Name calling is childish and we are far from spoiled brats.

Thansk again Gordon Blvd.

not a problem, Thanks

I still dont get the animosity towards an entire community for simply banding together for the sake of their kids, y'know?

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> not a problem, Thanks
>
> I still dont get the animosity towards an entire
> community for simply banding together for the sake
> of their kids, y'know?


I don't think it's too difficult to understand. There is the NIMBY aspect by a fiscal conservative enclave, the appearance of a sense of entitlement (whether there is or isn't, the perception is still there), the concept that the community fought this due to race and integration, a larger WSHS community wanting their repairs bumped in the queue, and the hate mail and comments directed to the FCPS Board by Clifton residents.

There is probably more, but that's enough to explain much of the animosity.

-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”

The supreme court of VA upheld the school board. Does anyone think that this will go to the Supreme Court of the United States?

Just to clarify - they didn't uphold the school board. They just refused to hear the case. There's a difference - but FCPS and some of the press ignored that distinction. The VA Supreme court is understaffed (long story) and can't hear so many cases.

There is another lawsuit outstanding. Go to redapplemom's blog to get more info.

Concerned Parents Wrote:
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> The supreme court of VA upheld the school board.
> Does anyone think that this will go to the Supreme
> Court of the United States?

Dane Bramage Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > not a problem, Thanks
> >
> > I still dont get the animosity towards an
> entire
> > community for simply banding together for the
> sake
> > of their kids, y'know?
>
>
> I don't think it's too difficult to understand.
> There is the NIMBY aspect by a fiscal conservative
> enclave, the appearance of a sense of entitlement
> (whether there is or isn't, the perception is
> still there), the concept that the community
> fought this due to race and integration, a larger
> WSHS community wanting their repairs bumped in the
> queue, and the hate mail and comments directed to
> the FCPS Board by Clifton residents.
>
> There is probably more, but that's enough to
> explain much of the animosity.


I don't know about "race and integration" as it relates to the school closing. The Washington Post's Metro section(front page) recently had a picture of a large group of Clifton Elementary students which illustrated a high and refreshing level of diversity. Those playing the race card seem to be grabbing at straws. Perhaps, however, being the conservative paper that it is, the Post has a hidden agenda and took this photo to distort the true demographics.

When is Clifton Days?

freeloader Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ok, freeloader - just out of curiosity - how do
> > you "know" that the ppl of Clifton are "stuck
> > up"?
>
> Not hard to tell. Just read the posts here. Focus
> on the FOIA email thread first.
>
> I think that even if the closing decision was not
> the right thing to do, the attitude and immaturity
> of Clifton residents, as depicted here and
> especially so in public with the FOIA requests,
> frivolous lawsuits, hate mail and letters to the
> editors turned off the rest of the county as a
> whole.
>
> The behavior is like a group of spoiled brats who
> did not get their way.


You hit the nail on the head freeloader. I took the day off work today so I can be at CES at 4:30. I attended CES back when Clifton was a community that was respectable so I'll be there for the memories. I will try to ignore the cry baby selfish pukes that reside in this area today.

I took a tour of my child's new school. The principal talked about how strong the school community is, a bonding of parents, teachers, and families. If the SB decided to close this school, I believe that this community would fight like hell to save it, just as much as the Clifton parents did.

People who judge Clifton parents for fighting to keep their school open, don't know what it's like to have their school threatened. Hope it never happens to you.

perspective Wrote:
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> I took a tour of my child's new school. The
> principal talked about how strong the school
> community is, a bonding of parents, teachers, and
> families. If the SB decided to close this school,
> I believe that this community would fight like
> hell to save it, just as much as the Clifton
> parents did.
>
> People who judge Clifton parents for fighting to
> keep their school open, don't know what it's like
> to have their school threatened. Hope it never
> happens to you.


Both of my kids had to change schools a couple of times, it was no big deal. I think it was a positive thing for them they learned to deal with a bit of diversity. The experience was a great life lesson.

jmu dad Wrote:
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> perspective Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I took a tour of my child's new school. The
> > principal talked about how strong the school
> > community is, a bonding of parents, teachers,
> and
> > families. If the SB decided to close this
> school,
> > I believe that this community would fight like
> > hell to save it, just as much as the Clifton
> > parents did.
> >
> > People who judge Clifton parents for fighting
> to
> > keep their school open, don't know what it's
> like
> > to have their school threatened. Hope it never
> > happens to you.
>
>
> Both of my kids had to change schools a couple of
> times, it was no big deal. I think it was a
> positive thing for them they learned to deal with
> a bit of diversity. The experience was a great
> life lesson.


Spending a month in the slums of Southeast could be a good life lesson, too. Wanna send lil Johnnie and Suzie out to chill with the East Capital Crew?

My point is this, No one says this is gonna kill the kids. I know kids who grew up all over the world who have turned into some of the most well-rounded people I know. On the other hand, none of them have a true identity of who they are and where they are from; a hometown culture which was obviously a strong draw to many of Cliftons newer residents.

clarification Wrote:
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> Just to clarify - they didn't uphold the school
> board. They just refused to hear the case.
> There's a difference - but FCPS and some of the
> press ignored that distinction. The VA Supreme
> court is understaffed (long story) and can't hear
> so many cases.
>
> There is another lawsuit outstanding. Go to
> redapplemom's blog to get more info.
>

> Concerned Parents Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The supreme court of VA upheld the school
> board.
> > Does anyone think that this will go to the
> Supreme
> > Court of the United States?

That's not what this article on WTOP says:


Va. Supreme Court upholds decision to close Clifton Elementary
Saturday - 6/4/2011, 9:48am ET
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2409615

CLIFTON, Va. - The Supreme Court of Virginia has upheld the decision by the Fairfax County School Board to close Clifton Elementary School.

The school board voted to close the school in July. The board cited multiple reasons for the closure, including renovation costs, declining enrollment, safety issues and the poor quality of well water used in the building.

A group of parents sued the school board last August, seeking to overturn the decision.

Dennis J. Smith, the Chief Judge of the Circuit Court, ruled in favor of the School Board in December.

The court has ruled that there was no reversible error in the decision

jmu dad Wrote:
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> >
> > I believe that this community would fight like
> > hell to save it, just as much as the Clifton
> > parents did.
> >
> > People who judge Clifton parents for fighting
> to
> > keep their school open, don't know what it's
> like
> > to have their school threatened. Hope it never
> > happens to you.
>
>
> Both of my kids had to change schools a couple of
> times, it was no big deal. I think it was a
> positive thing for them they learned to deal with
> a bit of diversity. The experience was a great
> life lesson.

+10

Served in the military and our kids went to a few schools. It broadened their experience and was definitely positive. Of course, as parents we didn't portray it as an awful thing, or have them protest. We presented it as an adventure, and they learned a lot.

I think some of the Clifton parents have filled their kids with dread of the future, not a good way to proceed.

And you'll see, Dennis is on the Circuit Court, not the VA Supreme Court. http://www.courts.state.va.us/courts/scv/supreme.html (thought the url might drive this home)

for those who traveled the world over, and went to different elementary schools, good for you. If you were in a congested suburban/urban area, and had to be bussed for over 30-45 min. as an elementary kid, I'd love to hear from you. Country kids? ok - I get that - it comes with the territory.

Saying the VA supreme court upheld the decision, when they didn't even hear the case, is misleading. They refused to hear the case. Some say semantics, but there is a difference. They didn't hear the case.


Concerned Parents Wrote:
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> clarification Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Just to clarify - they didn't uphold the school
> > board. They just refused to hear the case.
> > There's a difference - but FCPS and some of the
> > press ignored that distinction. The VA Supreme
> > court is understaffed (long story) and can't
> hear
> > so many cases.
> >
> > There is another lawsuit outstanding. Go to
> > redapplemom's blog to get more info.
> >
>
> > Concerned Parents Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The supreme court of VA upheld the school
> > board.
> > > Does anyone think that this will go to the
> > Supreme
> > > Court of the United States?
>
> That's not what this article on WTOP says:
>
>
> Va. Supreme Court upholds decision to close
> Clifton Elementary
> Saturday - 6/4/2011, 9:48am ET
> http://www.wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2409615
>
> CLIFTON, Va. - The Supreme Court of Virginia has
> upheld the decision by the Fairfax County School
> Board to close Clifton Elementary School.
>
> The school board voted to close the school in
> July. The board cited multiple reasons for the
> closure, including renovation costs, declining
> enrollment, safety issues and the poor quality of
> well water used in the building.
>
> A group of parents sued the school board last
> August, seeking to overturn the decision.
>
> Dennis J. Smith, the Chief Judge of the Circuit
> Court, ruled in favor of the School Board in
> December.
>
> The court has ruled that there was no reversible
> error in the decision

HA HA! Your precious little school has been closed forever as of three hours ago....

Nelson M Wrote:
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> HA HA! Your precious little school has been closed
> forever as of three hours ago....
>
> IT WILL RE OPEN AS A CHARTER SCHOOL. SO JUST STOP!!! THIS IS JUST A GREAT SCHOOL. THIS SCHOOL WILL RE OPEN.

read it, then google it Wrote:
>
> for those who traveled the world over, and went to
> different elementary schools, good for you. If
> you were in a congested suburban/urban area, and
> had to be bussed for over 30-45 min. as an
> elementary kid, I'd love to hear from you.
> Country kids? ok - I get that - it comes with the
> territory.
>

I grew up in Saratoga in springfield in the 70's and 80's. I went to Crestwood ES, which was easily a 30 minute bus ride. Then Key MS, which was 30+ and then Lee HS, which was variable, but usually 45 minutes. This was all Pre County Parkway.
I managed to somehow survice this ordeal, and go on to college and graduate school. Many of my friends from Saratoga also went through this, and are also success stories.
Elementary school, middle school, and high school all were at mediocre, low-achieving parts of the county (at that time, we didn't have westfields to take up the banner) that required a commute much longer than anything your kids will experience, and I'm currently not smoking crack in a box under a bridge.
After teaching your children in the adult phase of their lives for the past 15 years, it's painfully obvious that their elementary schooling had little to do with their success. It's how involved YOU as a parent are in their lives and making sure they are performing well. I've taught students that came out of elite prep schools from day 1, such as The Potomac School, and kids that came out of PG county, and well, not all the kids from Potomac were shining examples of society (granted, i don't teach at an Ivy, nor even a pseudo Ivy), and not all the kids out of the hood were uneducated thugs.

it's interesting to realize that Nelson M has some sorta hard-on over the fact Clifton Elem got closed.............why do y'all think that is?

The Clifton kids will adjust well and get through this. That is not the point. The point is the school was unnecessarily closed for reasons that will come in the future and not because of cost of renovation, cost per pupil, well water (or any of the other excuses that were given) and to the detriment of all the other surrounding schools and the domino effect the closing has created. It will be interesting to see what becomes of the property.

The land that it sits on is probably worth at least 3-4 elementary schools. I'm amazed that it lasted this long. Marshall HS is also in a similar situation. It's the smallest HS in the county, but has how many acres on route 7? The land alone has to be worth tens to hundreds of millions of dollars.

Professor Wrote:
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> The land that it sits on is probably worth at
> least 3-4 elementary schools. I'm amazed that it
> lasted this long. Marshall HS is also in a
> similar situation. It's the smallest HS in the
> county, but has how many acres on route 7? The
> land alone has to be worth tens to hundreds of
> millions of dollars.

Acres on Route 7 vs 14 acres that can only be subdivided into 3 almost 5 acre lots are VERY different. I doubt you could get more than a million or maybe 1.5 mil for the land Clifton sits on. Haven't checked county tax records, it could be considerably less.

Professor Wrote:
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> The land that it sits on is probably worth at
> least 3-4 elementary schools. I'm amazed that it
> lasted this long. Marshall HS is also in a
> similar situation. It's the smallest HS in the
> county, but has how many acres on route 7? The
> land alone has to be worth tens to hundreds of
> millions of dollars.

Marshall isn't the smallest HS in the county - the physical plant at McLean and perhaps other schools is smaller, and the enrollment at Falls Church HS is lower. The enrollment has also been increasing, and the expectation is that there will be more students when Tysons gets additional housing. That's why FCPS is spending all the money to renovate it now.

But, yeah, it does sit on a valuable site.

Land in that area of Clifton goes for around $100,000 per acre, 5 acre minimums and each of the 5 acre plots must "perk" as there is no available sewer system.

Assessed Tax Value sits at $1.1 Mil for the Clifton site

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> it's interesting to realize that Nelson M has some
> sorta hard-on over the fact Clifton Elem got
> closed.............why do y'all think that is?

I enjoy others misery. Ever hear the term schadenfreude?

That should build free housing on the land for retired FCPS teachers. After 30 years of work you can't expect someone to get by on an $100,000 pension!! The taxpayers will pay for it.

If you ever took the time to volunteer, MAYBE you'd find out that Clifton PTA moms are far from stuck up. "Cliques" are not the same thing as cooperation. These are the people who bust tail to make sure the best programs are provided to your child/children. What a stupid, thoughtless, arrogant remark.

jnm Wrote:
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> If you ever took the time to volunteer, MAYBE
> you'd find out that Clifton PTA moms are far from
> stuck up. "Cliques" are not the same thing as
> cooperation. These are the people who bust tail to
> make sure the best programs are provided to your
> child/children. What a stupid, thoughtless,
> arrogant remark.

are they hot?

JBass Wrote:
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> Land in that area of Clifton goes for around
> $100,000 per acre, 5 acre minimums and each of the
> 5 acre plots must "perk" as there is no available
> sewer system.
>
> Assessed Tax Value sits at $1.1 Mil for the
> Clifton site


100 grand per acre? The land my crappy house in a crappy part of Springfield sits on is valued at 173 grand, and I've got 8528 sq ft, or .19 acres according to the Fairfax County assessment webpage. And I'm nowhere near the county parkway, the mixing bowl, the metro or anything else that would make it worth more.

How in the hell is the land so cheap in Clifton? Every time I've gone through there it was nothing but tophats and monocles. Is the commute that bad? 5 wooded acres with nice houses on them usually goes for huge money. The commute can't be that bad from there. This smells of some sort of conspiracy by the cliftonites not to pay their taxes.

Not everyone who attended Clifton lives in Clifton proper. I live on one acre in a simple home. Top hats and monocles? Ridiculous! Yep, we're paying our taxes, but as to what's so special here? It's a Clifton thing, you wouldn't understand

Ringo Wrote:
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> JBass Wrote:
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> > Land in that area of Clifton goes for around
> > $100,000 per acre, 5 acre minimums and each of
> the
> > 5 acre plots must "perk" as there is no
> available
> > sewer system.
> >
> > Assessed Tax Value sits at $1.1 Mil for the
> > Clifton site
>
>
> 100 grand per acre? The land my crappy house in a
> crappy part of Springfield sits on is valued at
> 173 grand, and I've got 8528 sq ft, or .19 acres
> according to the Fairfax County assessment
> webpage. And I'm nowhere near the county parkway,
> the mixing bowl, the metro or anything else that
> would make it worth more.
>
> How in the hell is the land so cheap in Clifton?
> Every time I've gone through there it was nothing
> but tophats and monocles. Is the commute that
> bad? 5 wooded acres with nice houses on them
> usually goes for huge money. The commute can't be
> that bad from there. This smells of some sort of
> conspiracy by the cliftonites not to pay their
> taxes.

Lol, I dunno. If I was to bet a per acre under/over on this I woulda lost WAY on the high side. I checked a few comps next door to the school and they all sit around the 100K mark.

That's town, not the entire attendance area

jnm Wrote:
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> Top hats and monocles? Ridiculous!

Good thing you get sarcasm! You're not falling into any stereotype of stuck-up, arrogant, no-class, no sense of humor enjoying separatists who want their own special treatment, because they're special!


Yep, we're paying
> our taxes, but as to what's so special here? It's
> a Clifton thing, you wouldn't understand

Wow, you don't sound like a real stuck-up cunt or anything like that. Enjoy shipping your kids off to private school rather than make them mingle with foreigners.

And the fact that Clifton had the second highest performing elementary school in the County was a factor for many too

jnm Wrote:
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> That's town, not the entire attendance area


the $100,000 per acre of land on a perkable plot is standard in Clifton. Keep in mind that most all plots in Clifton are 5+ acres so you are still out half a mil before the building.

Let's see, my kids are lucky to count the children of immigrants from all over the world as their best friends. What's your damage?

There's a nice contemporary on 10 acres for sale on Yate's Ford Rd. Asking price $899K.

Those 10 acres are assessed at $584K for 2011. That's 58 grand per acre at that particular spot.

The land is probably not worth as much because you have to provide your own well and septic---right? In Springfield you are on the county water and sewer. You probably also have to pay for anything else (electric, cable, road) to be brought in. I'm just guessing. Also, you are forced to have 5 acres that you can't subdivide or develop in any way---it's just raw land.

Roc Wrote:
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> herewegoagain,
>
> In fact it is too large for the school population that it supports, a >population that is getting smaller and smaller.


370 kids out of 374 is too large for the population how exactly?

in more than 25 years, lowest amount of kids was 366.

getting smaller how exactly?

a lie is a lie no matter how big or how small.
when you tell a lie there's no truth at all.
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Benz Wrote:
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> I went to Canterbury Woods back in the day, right
> next to Holy Spirit.
> Was there a lot of ass-raping going on at Holy
> Spirit ??


in the 70's yes.