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CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Robert
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Date: December 11, 2010 09:19PM
I WANT TO SUE FCPS. THEY ARE CLOSING CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IT ONE OF THE BEST SCHOOL IN FCPS. I HATE JACK DALE. THE ONLY REASON CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS SUCH A GOOD SCHOOL IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BLAKCS OR ILLEGALS IN OUR SCHOOL. IF WE REMOVED THEM EVER SCHOOL WOULD BE LIKE CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Jack
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Date: December 11, 2010 09:21PM
is that you?
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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Hey, stop hating on the rich
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Date: December 11, 2010 09:45PM
How much in taxes do you pay? I pay in the SIX figures. Everyone needs a community school. I could pay for private school but I want my kids to be with others in my community. God help us all if you think this is about race. Shame on.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
*You
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Date: December 11, 2010 09:46PM
Sorry
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Stop the school board now
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Date: December 11, 2010 09:56PM
We would love all races to join our great school. Let's keep Clifton open. We may be smarter but we can always do better.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Clifton Parent
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Date: December 11, 2010 11:36PM
It is time to move on. The school is closing and our kids will learn more in their new locations with diverse classmates.
I cannot believe the whining about this, it is extremely embarrassing. When I'm asked where I am from, I now respond with 'just outside of Centreville'.
Get over it already.
I cannot believe the whining about this, it is extremely embarrassing. When I'm asked where I am from, I now respond with 'just outside of Centreville'.
Get over it already.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
weird
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Date: December 11, 2010 11:39PM
Maybe you should move to Centreville so you don't have to lie about where you are from. Why did you move to Clifton if you wanted your kids to "learn more"? Weird post.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
I Call B.S.
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Date: December 11, 2010 11:43PM
Hey, stop hating on the rich Wrote:
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> How much in taxes do you pay? I pay in the SIX
> figures. Everyone needs a community school. I
> could pay for private school but I want my kids to
> be with others in my community. God help us all if
> you think this is about race. Shame on.
If you're paying 6 figures in taxes between you federal and state income taxes, I call b.s. There can't be anyone that silly in the world to do so, can there be? Sure, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, etc. However, I can't believe you don't have your money deferred via IRA contributions, off-shore accounts, etc.
So, basically by what you've stated, the tax cut extensions that are up in the air right now with Congress will be your saving grace? I bet you're praying each and every night that the cuts get extended.
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> How much in taxes do you pay? I pay in the SIX
> figures. Everyone needs a community school. I
> could pay for private school but I want my kids to
> be with others in my community. God help us all if
> you think this is about race. Shame on.
If you're paying 6 figures in taxes between you federal and state income taxes, I call b.s. There can't be anyone that silly in the world to do so, can there be? Sure, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, etc. However, I can't believe you don't have your money deferred via IRA contributions, off-shore accounts, etc.
So, basically by what you've stated, the tax cut extensions that are up in the air right now with Congress will be your saving grace? I bet you're praying each and every night that the cuts get extended.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justine
()
Date: December 11, 2010 11:51PM
To Clifton Parent....Clifton school did not have to close. All the reasons that were identified that supported FCPS's justification for closing was no more than a house of cards....well water....not contaminated; projection numbers were wrong; renovation cost too high....not true, etc.
The real reason Clifton was closed was because Bradsher wanted to kick out Clifton from the renovation queue so she could put in West Springfield High School. Bottom Line.....Conversation over.
There were some pretty damaging emails between Bradsher and WSHS supporters where she instructed WSHS to send letters to the board, where she promised to make an amendment that would support not closing the school, where she would receive an email from a Clifton consitutent and would send to WSHS supporters....and the list goes on.
Bradsher wanted to suck the life blood out of Clifton to transfuse WSHS. The second mission was to show Herrity that she held the power to close Clifton.....
Can find some of the emails in another stream.....on the underground.
The real reason Clifton was closed was because Bradsher wanted to kick out Clifton from the renovation queue so she could put in West Springfield High School. Bottom Line.....Conversation over.
There were some pretty damaging emails between Bradsher and WSHS supporters where she instructed WSHS to send letters to the board, where she promised to make an amendment that would support not closing the school, where she would receive an email from a Clifton consitutent and would send to WSHS supporters....and the list goes on.
Bradsher wanted to suck the life blood out of Clifton to transfuse WSHS. The second mission was to show Herrity that she held the power to close Clifton.....
Can find some of the emails in another stream.....on the underground.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
terelli
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Date: December 11, 2010 11:52PM
It's expensive to run a small elementary school. Cost per pupil goes way up.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
more BS
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Date: December 12, 2010 01:29AM
bs it costs more to operate ces
almost no frms
almost no esols
almost no additional costs per kid
it is all a myth
fcps = brothers grimm bs fairytale
tell the truth - ces costs less to operate and averages out the high poverty schools cost per kid - more schools like clifton average DOWN the cost per kid in the county
if this is about stopping max $/kid, look at all the bleeding schools with failing kids - not the successful ones.
stinks like the dead. that's what happens when the story is rotten to the core.
almost no frms
almost no esols
almost no additional costs per kid
it is all a myth
fcps = brothers grimm bs fairytale
tell the truth - ces costs less to operate and averages out the high poverty schools cost per kid - more schools like clifton average DOWN the cost per kid in the county
if this is about stopping max $/kid, look at all the bleeding schools with failing kids - not the successful ones.
stinks like the dead. that's what happens when the story is rotten to the core.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
like it is
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Date: December 12, 2010 03:45AM
if you love the school so much,why don't you rich people put your money where your mouth is and buy it,come up with a biz plan and turn it into a private charter school.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
votemout
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Date: December 12, 2010 06:45AM
The closing of Clifton impacts many schools in the region, so you are not alone in your anger. We need to get people to run against these idiots, who are costing us millions in tax dollars, and do what we want them to do. Renovating Clifton was the cheapest option. The larger question is what do the idiots have to gain from closing Clifton..probably a kickback on a real estate deal. Form a group to rally the Fairfax residents against the school board criminals.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Josey Wales
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Date: December 12, 2010 08:50AM
It might be just a rumor I heard but does Clifton Elementary really have its own polo team?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justine
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Date: December 12, 2010 08:55AM
I don't believe so.....ask Bradsher. She knows everything to be known about Clifton Elementary, including what is best for the students.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Skeptical
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Date: December 12, 2010 10:09AM
The main thing you can do is kick Bradsher out of office next year, make sure she's never elected to any political office in the future, and ask any decent candidates for School Board to pledge they won't engage in such despicable behavior in the future.
Make no mistake about it, Bradsher's conduct has been totally reprehensible and to this date she evidences absolutely no self-awareness at all.
She and her supporters - who continue to post on these threads - have been playing a very dangerous game of demonizing communities, and pitting them against each other, in order to advance their own narrow agendas. It is absolutely and utterly shameful and when that type of behavior takes place on a larger stage, the consequences are nothing short of horrific.
Make no mistake about it, Bradsher's conduct has been totally reprehensible and to this date she evidences absolutely no self-awareness at all.
She and her supporters - who continue to post on these threads - have been playing a very dangerous game of demonizing communities, and pitting them against each other, in order to advance their own narrow agendas. It is absolutely and utterly shameful and when that type of behavior takes place on a larger stage, the consequences are nothing short of horrific.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
It's a myth
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Date: December 12, 2010 10:31AM
No, Clifton does NOT cost more per child.
Current data from the FCPS web site:
Clifton Nov 2010 enrollment:367
FY 2011 Approved Budget:$2,191,124 ($5,970 per child)
33.7 positions (one adult for every 10.9 children)
Virginia Run ES Nov 2010 enrollment: 677
FY 2011 Approved Budget:$4,243,047 ($6,267 per child)
74.2 positions (one adult for every 9.1 children)
Centre Ridge ES Nov 2010 enrollment: 790
FY 2011 Approved Budget:$4,757,833 ($6,079 per child)
80.3 positions (one adult for every 9.8 children)
London Town ES Nov 2010 enrollment: 892
FY 2011 Approved Budget:$5,761,447 ($6,459 per child)
104.5 positions (one adult for every 8.5 children)
Centreville ES Nov 2010 enrollment: 932
FY 2011 Approved Budget:$5,474,633 ($5,874 per child)
95.8 positions (one adult for every 9.7 children)
Current data from the FCPS web site:
Clifton Nov 2010 enrollment:367
FY 2011 Approved Budget:$2,191,124 ($5,970 per child)
33.7 positions (one adult for every 10.9 children)
Virginia Run ES Nov 2010 enrollment: 677
FY 2011 Approved Budget:$4,243,047 ($6,267 per child)
74.2 positions (one adult for every 9.1 children)
Centre Ridge ES Nov 2010 enrollment: 790
FY 2011 Approved Budget:$4,757,833 ($6,079 per child)
80.3 positions (one adult for every 9.8 children)
London Town ES Nov 2010 enrollment: 892
FY 2011 Approved Budget:$5,761,447 ($6,459 per child)
104.5 positions (one adult for every 8.5 children)
Centreville ES Nov 2010 enrollment: 932
FY 2011 Approved Budget:$5,474,633 ($5,874 per child)
95.8 positions (one adult for every 9.7 children)
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the truth is
()
Date: December 12, 2010 04:02PM
Well, the rumor is I heard the Clifton ES site will be sold to VRE for a train station.
Anyway - Clifton has a reputation for being wealthy. Whatvever. If their average income is more, they likely pay more in taxes, which supports fairfax county. If someone has a problem with any tax loopholes, believe me, schools aren't the place to fight that fight.
Why? Because when they close Clifton ES, all the other elementary schools - and homeowners - within close range will feel the pain.
The commuters will feel the pain too, although they may not even have kids, from increased bus and kiss and ride or "kiss and drop/walk" traffic. And the homeowners, who may not even have kids, will feel the pain too. That's right.
Your neighborhood schools will be at the desired 95% - 105% enrollment (and more, if their projections for enrollment declines are wrong - and they will be), so FCPS can save money at your expense - home value will decline, traffic will increase, and for parents, there will be a lesser education at a school that is maxed out on enrollment.
So, get over the beating other neighborhoods, and realize who the real threat is. A school board that does what it wants, without any rationale, future planning, conscience, ethics or soul. This needs to be national news.
Anyway - Clifton has a reputation for being wealthy. Whatvever. If their average income is more, they likely pay more in taxes, which supports fairfax county. If someone has a problem with any tax loopholes, believe me, schools aren't the place to fight that fight.
Why? Because when they close Clifton ES, all the other elementary schools - and homeowners - within close range will feel the pain.
The commuters will feel the pain too, although they may not even have kids, from increased bus and kiss and ride or "kiss and drop/walk" traffic. And the homeowners, who may not even have kids, will feel the pain too. That's right.
Your neighborhood schools will be at the desired 95% - 105% enrollment (and more, if their projections for enrollment declines are wrong - and they will be), so FCPS can save money at your expense - home value will decline, traffic will increase, and for parents, there will be a lesser education at a school that is maxed out on enrollment.
So, get over the beating other neighborhoods, and realize who the real threat is. A school board that does what it wants, without any rationale, future planning, conscience, ethics or soul. This needs to be national news.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
What does happen?
()
Date: December 12, 2010 05:40PM
Want to know: What does the county do with the school? Who owns this land/building, and who would stand to benefit from a possible sale of the land? I find it difficult to believe that FCPS or the County has not already laid out plans for what happens next, if Clifton Elementary does actually close for good.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
terelli
()
Date: December 12, 2010 09:54PM
Considering the lack of diversity and issues in the Clifton ES population, doesn't appear to be much of a problem for a few schools to absorb their students. That's good.
Don't have to pay for 2 administrators for 350 kids. Nice.
Don't have to pay for 2 administrators for 350 kids. Nice.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Linguini
()
Date: December 12, 2010 10:12PM
terelli Wrote:
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> Considering the lack of diversity and issues in
> the Clifton ES population, doesn't appear to be
> much of a problem for a few schools to absorb
> their students. That's good.
> Don't have to pay for 2 administrators for 350
> kids. Nice.
Not much of a problem at all. Just redistrict lots of neighboring communities, build expensive additions at other schools, and still end up when all's said and done with a bunch of overcrowded schools.
You must be a total moron, Liz Bradsher or one of her few remaining supporters, or both.
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> Considering the lack of diversity and issues in
> the Clifton ES population, doesn't appear to be
> much of a problem for a few schools to absorb
> their students. That's good.
> Don't have to pay for 2 administrators for 350
> kids. Nice.
Not much of a problem at all. Just redistrict lots of neighboring communities, build expensive additions at other schools, and still end up when all's said and done with a bunch of overcrowded schools.
You must be a total moron, Liz Bradsher or one of her few remaining supporters, or both.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
APorIBMom
()
Date: December 13, 2010 01:28AM
The state does not require FCPS to provide an assistant principal for any small elementary school, under the Standards of Quality. FCPS insists on hiring an assistant principal for small elementary schools.
terelli Wrote:
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>
> Don't have to pay for 2 administrators for 350
> kids. Nice.
terelli Wrote:
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>
> Don't have to pay for 2 administrators for 350
> kids. Nice.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
what?!
()
Date: December 13, 2010 06:45AM
terelli Wrote:
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> Considering the lack of diversity and issues in
> the Clifton ES population, doesn't appear to be
> much of a problem for a few schools to absorb
> their students. That's good.
> Don't have to pay for 2 administrators for 350
> kids. Nice.
So, how big do you think a school needs to be to have 2 admin? Make certain to tell the schools below. With blanket statements like yours "issues in the Clifton ES population" you may have an opinion, but you don't support it very well.
LEMON ROAD ES 265
BUCKNELL ES 289
MOUNT EAGLE ES 304
LITTLE RUN ES 333
GARFIELD ES 334
CLIFTON ES 366
FAIRFAX VILLA ES 380
SHERMAN ES 382
VIENNA ES 386
COLUMBIA ES 397
OLDE CREEK ES 415
TERRASET ES 418
SLEEPY HOLLOW ES 449
BUSH HILL ES 451
GRAHAM ROAD ES 456
WAKEFIELD FOREST ES 457
WEST SPRINGFIELD ES 462
CUNNINGHAM PARK ES 465
BEECH TREE ES 466
CLERMONT ES 468
KINGS GLEN ES 468
LYNBROOK ES 473
CUB RUN ES 477
ARMSTRONG ES 490
BREN MAR PARK ES 490
STENWOOD ES 494
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> Considering the lack of diversity and issues in
> the Clifton ES population, doesn't appear to be
> much of a problem for a few schools to absorb
> their students. That's good.
> Don't have to pay for 2 administrators for 350
> kids. Nice.
So, how big do you think a school needs to be to have 2 admin? Make certain to tell the schools below. With blanket statements like yours "issues in the Clifton ES population" you may have an opinion, but you don't support it very well.
LEMON ROAD ES 265
BUCKNELL ES 289
MOUNT EAGLE ES 304
LITTLE RUN ES 333
GARFIELD ES 334
CLIFTON ES 366
FAIRFAX VILLA ES 380
SHERMAN ES 382
VIENNA ES 386
COLUMBIA ES 397
OLDE CREEK ES 415
TERRASET ES 418
SLEEPY HOLLOW ES 449
BUSH HILL ES 451
GRAHAM ROAD ES 456
WAKEFIELD FOREST ES 457
WEST SPRINGFIELD ES 462
CUNNINGHAM PARK ES 465
BEECH TREE ES 466
CLERMONT ES 468
KINGS GLEN ES 468
LYNBROOK ES 473
CUB RUN ES 477
ARMSTRONG ES 490
BREN MAR PARK ES 490
STENWOOD ES 494
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
GoGo
()
Date: December 13, 2010 08:14AM
Ever since 9/11, FCPS wants an principal or asst. principal at every school, every day. Before that, there would be many days that the principal had off-site meetings, and there was no leader at the school.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
slubdawg
()
Date: December 13, 2010 10:42AM
If the principal is out of the building nobody really notices, but if the secretary is out eveyrbody panics!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Clifton Parent
()
Date: December 13, 2010 12:03PM
Oh my! I didn't realize my neighbors were so angry and rude. All this name calling, and I see they attack anyone disagreeing with them instead of exchanging ideas and discussing the topic.
We all know the county will be better served with Clifton closed. Our children may experience a little inconvenience adjusting to diverse classrooms, but they will be much better educated and culturally a lot more richer with this move.
Onward and upward!
We all know the county will be better served with Clifton closed. Our children may experience a little inconvenience adjusting to diverse classrooms, but they will be much better educated and culturally a lot more richer with this move.
Onward and upward!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
To the Clifton Parent
()
Date: December 13, 2010 12:46PM
We know you are really Liz Bradsher hiding out on our posts. Please leave so we can keep telling everyone what a lush you are.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
GoGo
()
Date: December 13, 2010 02:12PM
Clifton Parent Wrote:
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> Oh my! I didn't realize my neighbors were so angry
> and rude. All this name calling, and I see they
> attack anyone disagreeing with them instead of
> exchanging ideas and discussing the topic.
>
> We all know the county will be better served with
> Clifton closed. Our children may experience a
> little inconvenience adjusting to diverse
> classrooms, but they will be much better educated
> and culturally a lot more richer with this move.
>
> Onward and upward!
Obviously you have no children in Clifton Elem, or your child has no friends. The issue is not that Union Mill, Sangster, or Fairview are bad schools, they are just as great as Clifton. The problem is, my son is a 3th grader, and next year he will go to a new school where he will know only a fraction of the population. Most of his friends are going off to different schools, so the relationships that he has built over the last 4 years will be cut-off. Do you wonder why Colin Powell parents aren't complaining about the overcrowding in their school? Because THEY DON'T WANT THEIR KIDS MOVED AWAY FROM THEIR FRIENDS and NEIGHBORS! If they were splitting up the Little Rocky Run neighborhood into 3 different schools, those parents would put up a fight that makes Clifton parents look like pushovers.
When my son goes to Union Mill, do you think he will make a lot of friends? We will be 5 miles from the school, how many Union Mill parents are going to want to set up playdates with kids that live so far away, when their kids already have friends, and THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE FURTHER THAN DOWN THE STREET!
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> Oh my! I didn't realize my neighbors were so angry
> and rude. All this name calling, and I see they
> attack anyone disagreeing with them instead of
> exchanging ideas and discussing the topic.
>
> We all know the county will be better served with
> Clifton closed. Our children may experience a
> little inconvenience adjusting to diverse
> classrooms, but they will be much better educated
> and culturally a lot more richer with this move.
>
> Onward and upward!
Obviously you have no children in Clifton Elem, or your child has no friends. The issue is not that Union Mill, Sangster, or Fairview are bad schools, they are just as great as Clifton. The problem is, my son is a 3th grader, and next year he will go to a new school where he will know only a fraction of the population. Most of his friends are going off to different schools, so the relationships that he has built over the last 4 years will be cut-off. Do you wonder why Colin Powell parents aren't complaining about the overcrowding in their school? Because THEY DON'T WANT THEIR KIDS MOVED AWAY FROM THEIR FRIENDS and NEIGHBORS! If they were splitting up the Little Rocky Run neighborhood into 3 different schools, those parents would put up a fight that makes Clifton parents look like pushovers.
When my son goes to Union Mill, do you think he will make a lot of friends? We will be 5 miles from the school, how many Union Mill parents are going to want to set up playdates with kids that live so far away, when their kids already have friends, and THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE FURTHER THAN DOWN THE STREET!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Clifton Parent
()
Date: December 13, 2010 04:28PM
GoGo Wrote:
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>
> Obviously you have no children in Clifton Elem, or
> your child has no friends. The issue is not that
> Union Mill, Sangster, or Fairview are bad schools,
> they are just as great as Clifton. The problem
> is, my son is a 3th grader, and next year he will
> go to a new school where he will know only a
> fraction of the population. Most of his friends
> are going off to different schools, so the
> relationships that he has built over the last 4
> years will be cut-off. Do you wonder why Colin
> Powell parents aren't complaining about the
> overcrowding in their school? Because THEY DON'T
> WANT THEIR KIDS MOVED AWAY FROM THEIR FRIENDS and
> NEIGHBORS! If they were splitting up the Little
> Rocky Run neighborhood into 3 different schools,
> those parents would put up a fight that makes
> Clifton parents look like pushovers.
>
> When my son goes to Union Mill, do you think he
> will make a lot of friends? We will be 5 miles
> from the school, how many Union Mill parents are
> going to want to set up playdates with kids that
> live so far away, when their kids already have
> friends, and THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE FURTHER THAN
> DOWN THE STREET!
This brouhaha is simply people resisting change. Your son and the rest of our kids will continue to excel and will adjust fine. It is important that we remain positive and look to many opportunities this brings.
Chin up, set a proper example for your kids!
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>
> Obviously you have no children in Clifton Elem, or
> your child has no friends. The issue is not that
> Union Mill, Sangster, or Fairview are bad schools,
> they are just as great as Clifton. The problem
> is, my son is a 3th grader, and next year he will
> go to a new school where he will know only a
> fraction of the population. Most of his friends
> are going off to different schools, so the
> relationships that he has built over the last 4
> years will be cut-off. Do you wonder why Colin
> Powell parents aren't complaining about the
> overcrowding in their school? Because THEY DON'T
> WANT THEIR KIDS MOVED AWAY FROM THEIR FRIENDS and
> NEIGHBORS! If they were splitting up the Little
> Rocky Run neighborhood into 3 different schools,
> those parents would put up a fight that makes
> Clifton parents look like pushovers.
>
> When my son goes to Union Mill, do you think he
> will make a lot of friends? We will be 5 miles
> from the school, how many Union Mill parents are
> going to want to set up playdates with kids that
> live so far away, when their kids already have
> friends, and THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE FURTHER THAN
> DOWN THE STREET!
This brouhaha is simply people resisting change. Your son and the rest of our kids will continue to excel and will adjust fine. It is important that we remain positive and look to many opportunities this brings.
Chin up, set a proper example for your kids!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justine
()
Date: December 13, 2010 04:33PM
GoGo parent, you brought up an interesting point....for each of the schools where students will be moved to another location, should the students be split into 3 groups like Clifton students will be? I don't think so, but it is worthy of discussing.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
I have an easy idea
()
Date: December 13, 2010 04:51PM
Why don't we make the school board wait a few years and rethink this situation. I see reason to rush this option. Keep Clifton open.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
exactly
()
Date: December 13, 2010 04:59PM
Agreed. Even if the poster has no kids, he will be stuck behind that much more school traffic - trying to get wherever he/she needs to go in the morning.
We're talking portable classrooms, overloading nearby schools, increased traffic getting to those schools - that's not good for anyone. Every citizen, with or without children, should be outraged over this process.
As for the comments re: principals, perhaps the poster should try working in a school one day. Just one day. It's really harder than he/she can imagine, I guarantee it.
GoGo Wrote:
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> Clifton Parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Oh my! I didn't realize my neighbors were so
> angry
> > and rude. All this name calling, and I see they
> > attack anyone disagreeing with them instead of
> > exchanging ideas and discussing the topic.
> >
> > We all know the county will be better served
> with
> > Clifton closed. Our children may experience a
> > little inconvenience adjusting to diverse
> > classrooms, but they will be much better
> educated
> > and culturally a lot more richer with this
> move.
> >
> > Onward and upward!
>
>
> Obviously you have no children in Clifton Elem, or
> your child has no friends. The issue is not that
> Union Mill, Sangster, or Fairview are bad schools,
> they are just as great as Clifton. The problem
> is, my son is a 3th grader, and next year he will
> go to a new school where he will know only a
> fraction of the population. Most of his friends
> are going off to different schools, so the
> relationships that he has built over the last 4
> years will be cut-off. Do you wonder why Colin
> Powell parents aren't complaining about the
> overcrowding in their school? Because THEY DON'T
> WANT THEIR KIDS MOVED AWAY FROM THEIR FRIENDS and
> NEIGHBORS! If they were splitting up the Little
> Rocky Run neighborhood into 3 different schools,
> those parents would put up a fight that makes
> Clifton parents look like pushovers.
>
> When my son goes to Union Mill, do you think he
> will make a lot of friends? We will be 5 miles
> from the school, how many Union Mill parents are
> going to want to set up playdates with kids that
> live so far away, when their kids already have
> friends, and THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE FURTHER THAN
> DOWN THE STREET!
We're talking portable classrooms, overloading nearby schools, increased traffic getting to those schools - that's not good for anyone. Every citizen, with or without children, should be outraged over this process.
As for the comments re: principals, perhaps the poster should try working in a school one day. Just one day. It's really harder than he/she can imagine, I guarantee it.
GoGo Wrote:
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> Clifton Parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Oh my! I didn't realize my neighbors were so
> angry
> > and rude. All this name calling, and I see they
> > attack anyone disagreeing with them instead of
> > exchanging ideas and discussing the topic.
> >
> > We all know the county will be better served
> with
> > Clifton closed. Our children may experience a
> > little inconvenience adjusting to diverse
> > classrooms, but they will be much better
> educated
> > and culturally a lot more richer with this
> move.
> >
> > Onward and upward!
>
>
> Obviously you have no children in Clifton Elem, or
> your child has no friends. The issue is not that
> Union Mill, Sangster, or Fairview are bad schools,
> they are just as great as Clifton. The problem
> is, my son is a 3th grader, and next year he will
> go to a new school where he will know only a
> fraction of the population. Most of his friends
> are going off to different schools, so the
> relationships that he has built over the last 4
> years will be cut-off. Do you wonder why Colin
> Powell parents aren't complaining about the
> overcrowding in their school? Because THEY DON'T
> WANT THEIR KIDS MOVED AWAY FROM THEIR FRIENDS and
> NEIGHBORS! If they were splitting up the Little
> Rocky Run neighborhood into 3 different schools,
> those parents would put up a fight that makes
> Clifton parents look like pushovers.
>
> When my son goes to Union Mill, do you think he
> will make a lot of friends? We will be 5 miles
> from the school, how many Union Mill parents are
> going to want to set up playdates with kids that
> live so far away, when their kids already have
> friends, and THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE FURTHER THAN
> DOWN THE STREET!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Looking In
()
Date: December 13, 2010 08:50PM
Can't wait 2 or 3 years. When Bradsher was planning the closure of Clifton to move renovation planning money for WSHS in 2011........she was counting the votes....More votes in the WSHS area than Clifton. All about politics.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
hoka-hey
()
Date: December 14, 2010 04:30PM
@CLIFTON PARENT,
Your vacuous comment needs a little bit of data to be worth reading. For instance,
'Diversity is good because studies have shown that diverse schools outperform non-diverse schools...'
'Or the county's plan to put 900 kids per Elementary school has been demonstrated to raise a child's IQ....'
'Or the fact that Clifton ES has many less digital blackboards, and projector's causes them to achieve less...'
PLEASE FIND THE DATA TO SUPPORT AN ARGUMENT rather than spouting platitudes. Your dismissal of valid concerns and disregard of the excellent record that Clifton ES Had in preparing kids for High School makes you seem rather dense.
Your vacuous comment needs a little bit of data to be worth reading. For instance,
'Diversity is good because studies have shown that diverse schools outperform non-diverse schools...'
'Or the county's plan to put 900 kids per Elementary school has been demonstrated to raise a child's IQ....'
'Or the fact that Clifton ES has many less digital blackboards, and projector's causes them to achieve less...'
PLEASE FIND THE DATA TO SUPPORT AN ARGUMENT rather than spouting platitudes. Your dismissal of valid concerns and disregard of the excellent record that Clifton ES Had in preparing kids for High School makes you seem rather dense.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: December 14, 2010 05:20PM
hoka-hey Wrote:
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>
> 'Or the fact that Clifton ES has many less digital
> blackboards, and projector's causes them to
> achieve less...'
>
Actually, Clifton ES has smartboards and document cameras in every classroom that a teacher or staff member has requested them thanks to the fundraising efforts of the PTA. Should be interesting to see how that technology gets redistributed once the school closes. Or will it be re-used? In most renovations all of the interior fixtures and equipment are thrown out. Wonder what happens with a school closure?
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> 'Or the fact that Clifton ES has many less digital
> blackboards, and projector's causes them to
> achieve less...'
>
Actually, Clifton ES has smartboards and document cameras in every classroom that a teacher or staff member has requested them thanks to the fundraising efforts of the PTA. Should be interesting to see how that technology gets redistributed once the school closes. Or will it be re-used? In most renovations all of the interior fixtures and equipment are thrown out. Wonder what happens with a school closure?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Clifton Parent
()
Date: December 14, 2010 09:01PM
hoka-hey Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> @CLIFTON PARENT,
>
> Your vacuous comment needs a little bit of data to
> be worth reading. For instance,
>
> 'Diversity is good because studies have shown that
> diverse schools outperform non-diverse schools...'
>
>
> 'Or the county's plan to put 900 kids per
> Elementary school has been demonstrated to raise a
> child's IQ....'
>
> 'Or the fact that Clifton ES has many less digital
> blackboards, and projector's causes them to
> achieve less...'
>
> PLEASE FIND THE DATA TO SUPPORT AN ARGUMENT rather
> than spouting platitudes. Your dismissal of valid
> concerns and disregard of the excellent record
> that Clifton ES Had in preparing kids for High
> School makes you seem rather dense.
Actually, those aren't my quotes. However, from your post it does seem you fear diversity and a larger school. It's okay, our kids will do well. They're smart and are able to adapt to change, seemingly a lot better than most of my neighborhood friends.
Relax. Maybe try some yoga, perhaps I'll see you there.
http://www.dahnyoga.com/centreville/
-------------------------------------------------------
> @CLIFTON PARENT,
>
> Your vacuous comment needs a little bit of data to
> be worth reading. For instance,
>
> 'Diversity is good because studies have shown that
> diverse schools outperform non-diverse schools...'
>
>
> 'Or the county's plan to put 900 kids per
> Elementary school has been demonstrated to raise a
> child's IQ....'
>
> 'Or the fact that Clifton ES has many less digital
> blackboards, and projector's causes them to
> achieve less...'
>
> PLEASE FIND THE DATA TO SUPPORT AN ARGUMENT rather
> than spouting platitudes. Your dismissal of valid
> concerns and disregard of the excellent record
> that Clifton ES Had in preparing kids for High
> School makes you seem rather dense.
Actually, those aren't my quotes. However, from your post it does seem you fear diversity and a larger school. It's okay, our kids will do well. They're smart and are able to adapt to change, seemingly a lot better than most of my neighborhood friends.
Relax. Maybe try some yoga, perhaps I'll see you there.
http://www.dahnyoga.com/centreville/
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Josey Wales
()
Date: December 14, 2010 09:27PM
What surprises me is that there on people on here who actually care about their kids, the schools and who is on the school board.
I thought this site was only for personal attacks on each other or at least it was when Vince posted on here.
I thought this site was only for personal attacks on each other or at least it was when Vince posted on here.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justine
()
Date: December 14, 2010 11:28PM
Written by Clifton Parent
Maybe you were joking, but I question this statement: 'Diversity is good because studies have shown that diverse schools outperform non-diverse schools...'
Unfortunately, in Fairfax County, the data fail to support this finding. Many of the schools with diversity (and often added resources), the data demonstrate the students do not achieve the higher scores in testing as do the schools with less diversity.
Therefore, I would welcome your identifying the source for the statement made by you that diverse schools outperform non-diverse schools. Maybe FCPS is doing something incorrectly.
Maybe you were joking, but I question this statement: 'Diversity is good because studies have shown that diverse schools outperform non-diverse schools...'
Unfortunately, in Fairfax County, the data fail to support this finding. Many of the schools with diversity (and often added resources), the data demonstrate the students do not achieve the higher scores in testing as do the schools with less diversity.
Therefore, I would welcome your identifying the source for the statement made by you that diverse schools outperform non-diverse schools. Maybe FCPS is doing something incorrectly.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justine
()
Date: December 17, 2010 11:10PM
I guess hoka hey was a school board member or FCPS staffer...can't provide the source for the statement that diverse schools out perform non diverse schools....
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
county employee
()
Date: December 18, 2010 09:35AM
Robert Wrote:
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> I WANT TO SUE FCPS. THEY ARE CLOSING CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IT ONE OF THE BEST SCHOOL IN
> FCPS. I HATE JACK DALE. THE ONLY REASON CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS SUCH A GOOD SCHOOL IS BECAUSE
> WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BLAKCS OR ILLEGALS IN OUR
> SCHOOL. IF WE REMOVED THEM EVER SCHOOL WOULD BE
> LIKE CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
I wonder why Clifton gets their asbestos infected school torn down first. I can think of at least three or four other schools with higher rates of asbestos fragmentization than Clifton ES. I wonder if the school board thinks that CES parents would be more likely to sue than Bren-mar or Kings Glen parents would. Its sad that the rich folks are getting special treatment here.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I WANT TO SUE FCPS. THEY ARE CLOSING CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IT ONE OF THE BEST SCHOOL IN
> FCPS. I HATE JACK DALE. THE ONLY REASON CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS SUCH A GOOD SCHOOL IS BECAUSE
> WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BLAKCS OR ILLEGALS IN OUR
> SCHOOL. IF WE REMOVED THEM EVER SCHOOL WOULD BE
> LIKE CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
I wonder why Clifton gets their asbestos infected school torn down first. I can think of at least three or four other schools with higher rates of asbestos fragmentization than Clifton ES. I wonder if the school board thinks that CES parents would be more likely to sue than Bren-mar or Kings Glen parents would. Its sad that the rich folks are getting special treatment here.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
The Statistican
()
Date: December 18, 2010 09:54AM
Justine Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I guess hoka hey was a school board member or FCPS
> staffer...can't provide the source for the
> statement that diverse schools out perform non
> diverse schools....
What hoka hey was saying was that mostly white schools with a few nigs or spics do better than all nig/spic schools. So a little color diversity in white school perform better than schools full of black/brown bastards and future prostitutes. Asians hold their own and keep the academics of white schools up as their parents beat the living shit out of them if they come home with anything under a B+. Ask any FCPS teacher strapped to a lie detector and you'll learn this truth. They all know it, even the ones who are nigs or spics.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I guess hoka hey was a school board member or FCPS
> staffer...can't provide the source for the
> statement that diverse schools out perform non
> diverse schools....
What hoka hey was saying was that mostly white schools with a few nigs or spics do better than all nig/spic schools. So a little color diversity in white school perform better than schools full of black/brown bastards and future prostitutes. Asians hold their own and keep the academics of white schools up as their parents beat the living shit out of them if they come home with anything under a B+. Ask any FCPS teacher strapped to a lie detector and you'll learn this truth. They all know it, even the ones who are nigs or spics.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the message
()
Date: December 18, 2010 03:02PM
It's ALL about the parents---that's for sure. The smart boards and document cameras are way down the list on important "stuff"---but teachers are forced to use this stuff for fear of being "tech unsavvy". They spend more time trying to figure out how to use the latest gadget than thinking about how to teach and talking to kids (the true keys to success). So I'd be just as glad to find out that they threw out the gadgets. The Clifton parents are the rare breed that see beyond all the "stuff" and the "pretty school propaganda". The message of Christmas is not about the gifts under the tree and they know it. The quality of an education is not measured by how much money is put into the building. It's all about the families, the teachers, and the dedication to the school. Clifton has a history of quality in all three of those areas that count. The SB may think that moving these kids to other areas will make the "magic" rub off on other families, but they are sorely mistaken. The "magic" is made inside the family unit, not inside the school. And, yes, we all know this.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
no "magic" needed
()
Date: December 18, 2010 03:29PM
Fairview is doing quite nicely without the "magic" of the Clifton/Fairfax Station/Fairfax families that currently feed into CES. We welcome all those students to our school but we certainly don't need any "magic." I'm sure the same goes for Union Mill and Sangster.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
I feel bad for the Clifton children
()
Date: December 18, 2010 08:38PM
My son plays on SYA basketball and another child on his team told him they DO NOT want Clifton kids to be at Union Mill. How sad! I told my son that view came from his parents.
And yes, I live in Clifton. My kids have no choice where they will end up next year. Thanks to the SB and Jack Dale. How do I explain that to an 8 year old. Nobody will welcome our kids to their new schools next year. Shame on FCPC!
And yes, I live in Clifton. My kids have no choice where they will end up next year. Thanks to the SB and Jack Dale. How do I explain that to an 8 year old. Nobody will welcome our kids to their new schools next year. Shame on FCPC!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
To no magic needed
()
Date: December 18, 2010 08:42PM
Wow, you are a really nice parent. How do you think the kids from Clifton feel right now? I agree with the last poster. Our kids are now treated like shit. Blame the school board and NOT elementary kids.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
responding to "to message" "magic"
()
Date: December 18, 2010 08:51PM
You misunderstood me. "The message" posted how the "magic" of the Clifton community will rub off and "improve" the schools they are being sent to. In some areas of this county the SB might buss kids around to "improve" test scores. This is not the case here - I am sure you will agree Fairview, Sangster and Union Mill are all fine schools already and the kids coming from CES will fit in quite nicely. I was in no way saying we don't want CES kids.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Clifton Dad
()
Date: December 18, 2010 10:39PM
I feel bad for the Clifton children Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> How do I explain that to an 8 year
> old. Nobody will welcome our kids to their new
> schools next year. Shame on FCPC!
We teach our kids that life sometimes has it's ups and downs and we don't always get what we want. Let our kids know that change is inevitable, but can also offer new opportunities and be exciting.
Qut your fucking whining and be positive, or your kids will emulate you and grow up as spoiled brats.
-------------------------------------------------------
> How do I explain that to an 8 year
> old. Nobody will welcome our kids to their new
> schools next year. Shame on FCPC!
We teach our kids that life sometimes has it's ups and downs and we don't always get what we want. Let our kids know that change is inevitable, but can also offer new opportunities and be exciting.
Qut your fucking whining and be positive, or your kids will emulate you and grow up as spoiled brats.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Marty
()
Date: December 19, 2010 03:25AM
Some of those neighborhoods that Bradsher promised not to hit during the boundary study had better learn from how Bradsher treated Clifton. While she was playing nice with Clifton, she was selling them down the river. Long ago, she and Tistadt made a deal to can Clifton and save WSHS.
Any ideas how to slow this train wreck of a boundary study down?
Any ideas how to slow this train wreck of a boundary study down?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
to "The message"
()
Date: December 19, 2010 07:43AM
the message Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It's ALL about the parents---that's for sure. The
> smart boards and document cameras are way down the
> list on important "stuff"---but teachers are
> forced to use this stuff for fear of being "tech
> unsavvy". They spend more time trying to figure
> out how to use the latest gadget than thinking
> about how to teach and talking to kids (the true
> keys to success). So I'd be just as glad to find
> out that they threw out the gadgets. The Clifton
> parents are the rare breed that see beyond all the
> "stuff" and the "pretty school propaganda". The
> message of Christmas is not about the gifts under
> the tree and they know it. The quality of an
> education is not measured by how much money is put
> into the building. It's all about the families,
> the teachers, and the dedication to the school.
> Clifton has a history of quality in all three of
> those areas that count. The SB may think that
> moving these kids to other areas will make the
> "magic" rub off on other families, but they are
> sorely mistaken. The "magic" is made inside the
> family unit, not inside the school. And, yes, we
> all know this.
Are you implying the children/families that attend Clifton Elementary are better than those that live in the parts of Clifton, Fairfax Station and Fairfax that don't attend Clifton?
You are saying the children that live in the part of Balmoral (that's in Clifton) that are already attending Union MIll are lesser than the children in the half of Balmoral that attends Clifton.
What about all the children that live in Fairfax Station that attend Fairview and Sangster - their families are less "magical" than the Fairfax Station students zoned to Clifton?
Do you really think the children that live in Colchester Hunt (located in Fairfax) that for some bizarre reason go to Clifton Elementary are better than the children that live in the other half of that development (Fairfax Hunt) that attend Willow Springs?
I don't know if you are a Clifton parent or not but please don't say things like this. I am sorry Clifton is closing but don't imply the closing has anything to do with trying to make the other schools in the area better.
-------------------------------------------------------
> It's ALL about the parents---that's for sure. The
> smart boards and document cameras are way down the
> list on important "stuff"---but teachers are
> forced to use this stuff for fear of being "tech
> unsavvy". They spend more time trying to figure
> out how to use the latest gadget than thinking
> about how to teach and talking to kids (the true
> keys to success). So I'd be just as glad to find
> out that they threw out the gadgets. The Clifton
> parents are the rare breed that see beyond all the
> "stuff" and the "pretty school propaganda". The
> message of Christmas is not about the gifts under
> the tree and they know it. The quality of an
> education is not measured by how much money is put
> into the building. It's all about the families,
> the teachers, and the dedication to the school.
> Clifton has a history of quality in all three of
> those areas that count. The SB may think that
> moving these kids to other areas will make the
> "magic" rub off on other families, but they are
> sorely mistaken. The "magic" is made inside the
> family unit, not inside the school. And, yes, we
> all know this.
Are you implying the children/families that attend Clifton Elementary are better than those that live in the parts of Clifton, Fairfax Station and Fairfax that don't attend Clifton?
You are saying the children that live in the part of Balmoral (that's in Clifton) that are already attending Union MIll are lesser than the children in the half of Balmoral that attends Clifton.
What about all the children that live in Fairfax Station that attend Fairview and Sangster - their families are less "magical" than the Fairfax Station students zoned to Clifton?
Do you really think the children that live in Colchester Hunt (located in Fairfax) that for some bizarre reason go to Clifton Elementary are better than the children that live in the other half of that development (Fairfax Hunt) that attend Willow Springs?
I don't know if you are a Clifton parent or not but please don't say things like this. I am sorry Clifton is closing but don't imply the closing has anything to do with trying to make the other schools in the area better.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
charlie
()
Date: December 19, 2010 08:33AM
I feel bad for the Clifton children Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> My son plays on SYA basketball and another child
> on his team told him they DO NOT want Clifton kids
> to be at Union Mill. How sad! I told my son that
> view came from his parents.
>
>
> And yes, I live in Clifton. My kids have no choice
> where they will end up next year. Thanks to the SB
> and Jack Dale. How do I explain that to an 8 year
> old. Nobody will welcome our kids to their new
> schools next year. Shame on FCPC!
This is sad. Children are repeating what they hear their parents saying (things like "we don't want Clifton kids to be at Union Mill"). Are ANY adults aware of how the things they say can affect other people? Are any parents capable of teaching their children kindness these days?
-------------------------------------------------------
> My son plays on SYA basketball and another child
> on his team told him they DO NOT want Clifton kids
> to be at Union Mill. How sad! I told my son that
> view came from his parents.
>
>
> And yes, I live in Clifton. My kids have no choice
> where they will end up next year. Thanks to the SB
> and Jack Dale. How do I explain that to an 8 year
> old. Nobody will welcome our kids to their new
> schools next year. Shame on FCPC!
This is sad. Children are repeating what they hear their parents saying (things like "we don't want Clifton kids to be at Union Mill"). Are ANY adults aware of how the things they say can affect other people? Are any parents capable of teaching their children kindness these days?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Maybe I should tell my kids
()
Date: December 19, 2010 08:40AM
That you get what you pay for. Private school looks so much better than FCPS. When you pay out of your own pocket you have a choice with your childs education.
I guess all those taxes I pay does not mean shit.
I guess all those taxes I pay does not mean shit.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Shame on the other parents!
()
Date: December 19, 2010 09:17AM
I don't live in Clifton but I can see how closing the school and moving the kids into 3 different schools will harm them. The parents from the other schools should open their hearts to the Clifton elementary kids. It is shame that many of them will not.
Sangster and Union Mill parents need to grow up.
Sangster and Union Mill parents need to grow up.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
to Sad Clifton Parent
()
Date: December 19, 2010 09:28AM
charlie Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I feel bad for the Clifton children Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My son plays on SYA basketball and another
> child
> > on his team told him they DO NOT want Clifton
> kids
> > to be at Union Mill. How sad! I told my son
> that
> > view came from his parents.
> >
> >
> > And yes, I live in Clifton. My kids have no
> choice
> > where they will end up next year. Thanks to the
> SB
> > and Jack Dale. How do I explain that to an 8
> year
> > old. Nobody will welcome our kids to their new
> > schools next year. Shame on FCPC!
>
>
> This is sad. Children are repeating what they
> hear their parents saying (things like "we don't
> want Clifton kids to be at Union Mill"). Are ANY
> adults aware of how the things they say can affect
> other people? Are any parents capable of teaching
> their children kindness these days?
As a Fairview parent I am happy Clifton Elementary School students are coming. It is a chance for the kids to make more friends before they head off to the massive school that is Robinson (although many of these kids already do know each other from sports teams, church, preschool, etc.) Unfortunately students might end up in trailers until the additions are complete but there have been trailers used all over the county and I certainly don't feel we are any better than them so it's ok.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I feel bad for the Clifton children Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My son plays on SYA basketball and another
> child
> > on his team told him they DO NOT want Clifton
> kids
> > to be at Union Mill. How sad! I told my son
> that
> > view came from his parents.
> >
> >
> > And yes, I live in Clifton. My kids have no
> choice
> > where they will end up next year. Thanks to the
> SB
> > and Jack Dale. How do I explain that to an 8
> year
> > old. Nobody will welcome our kids to their new
> > schools next year. Shame on FCPC!
>
>
> This is sad. Children are repeating what they
> hear their parents saying (things like "we don't
> want Clifton kids to be at Union Mill"). Are ANY
> adults aware of how the things they say can affect
> other people? Are any parents capable of teaching
> their children kindness these days?
As a Fairview parent I am happy Clifton Elementary School students are coming. It is a chance for the kids to make more friends before they head off to the massive school that is Robinson (although many of these kids already do know each other from sports teams, church, preschool, etc.) Unfortunately students might end up in trailers until the additions are complete but there have been trailers used all over the county and I certainly don't feel we are any better than them so it's ok.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
to Fairview parent
()
Date: December 19, 2010 09:32AM
I hope Sangster, Fairview and Union Mill will convey the their children to be nice to the incoming kids from Clifton. Right now I do not see this happening. Our kids are not the reason for the trailers. The FCSB is. Let's ALL fight for what is right for are kids. KEEP CLIFTON OPEN!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
New Friends
()
Date: December 19, 2010 09:54AM
to Fairview parent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I hope Sangster, Fairview and Union Mill will
> convey the their children to be nice to the
> incoming kids from Clifton. Right now I do not see
> this happening. Our kids are not the reason for
> the trailers. The FCSB is. Let's ALL fight for
> what is right for are kids. KEEP CLIFTON OPEN!
Do you think most of the current students at Sangster, Fairview and Union Mill will even know where the "new" kids are from? I have a 5th grader at Fairview. I don't know why but there were a lot of new 5th graders this year. She doesn't know or care where they live, where they came from or why they are there. To her they are just students just like her. (It was a good thing though because they added another teacher to the grade level and we have less kids in each class than previous years.) I think the "attitude" of the Clifton parents towards the new school will be very important. YOU should convey to your children how happy you are with the switch to a new school and how good it will be for them to make new friends and have new experiences.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I hope Sangster, Fairview and Union Mill will
> convey the their children to be nice to the
> incoming kids from Clifton. Right now I do not see
> this happening. Our kids are not the reason for
> the trailers. The FCSB is. Let's ALL fight for
> what is right for are kids. KEEP CLIFTON OPEN!
Do you think most of the current students at Sangster, Fairview and Union Mill will even know where the "new" kids are from? I have a 5th grader at Fairview. I don't know why but there were a lot of new 5th graders this year. She doesn't know or care where they live, where they came from or why they are there. To her they are just students just like her. (It was a good thing though because they added another teacher to the grade level and we have less kids in each class than previous years.) I think the "attitude" of the Clifton parents towards the new school will be very important. YOU should convey to your children how happy you are with the switch to a new school and how good it will be for them to make new friends and have new experiences.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
to the Fairview mom
()
Date: December 19, 2010 10:16AM
How about ALL the parents act happy that FCPS is screwing us in the ass. I am not afraid for the kids it is the parents I am worrying about.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
My kids do not WANT to change schools
()
Date: December 19, 2010 10:19AM
How about that?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
a community "under the bus"
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Date: December 19, 2010 10:34AM
Unfortunately, these moments will not just be "forgotten" as easily as some on this forum seem to think they will. Even after the SB representatives change. And brushing people off by saying "stop whining", etc. just enrages them more. Closing a school without making plans for where the kids are to go just speaks volumes about the "care" of the SB for the people they serve (yes, they serve both children and their parents and the larger community).
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Annandale Dale
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Date: December 19, 2010 11:42AM
Hopefully the Clifton kids wont teach the normal kids how to be selfish as fuck.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Your from Annandale?
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Date: December 19, 2010 11:59AM
Poor white trash! STFU!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
County employee
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Date: December 19, 2010 12:12PM
to Fairview parent Wrote:
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> I hope Sangster, Fairview and Union Mill will
> convey the their children to be nice to the
> incoming kids from Clifton. Right now I do not see
> this happening. Our kids are not the reason for
> the trailers. The FCSB is. Let's ALL fight for
> what is right for are kids. KEEP CLIFTON OPEN!
Asbestos remediation inspection certificate expires 7/01/2011
There is no way it will get renewed without lots of work.
CES will be closed and we may not even be able to use it for storage after july 1st.
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> I hope Sangster, Fairview and Union Mill will
> convey the their children to be nice to the
> incoming kids from Clifton. Right now I do not see
> this happening. Our kids are not the reason for
> the trailers. The FCSB is. Let's ALL fight for
> what is right for are kids. KEEP CLIFTON OPEN!
Asbestos remediation inspection certificate expires 7/01/2011
There is no way it will get renewed without lots of work.
CES will be closed and we may not even be able to use it for storage after july 1st.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Back to the drawing board
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Date: December 19, 2010 12:47PM
Where is the plan to build a new school? Where is the plan to help with overcrowding? Where is the plan for better test scores? The SB has no plan right now. We have an option E coming? WTF???? If Clifton does close we are all going to be hurt. Wake up parents!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
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Date: December 19, 2010 01:10PM
Your from Annandale? Wrote:
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> Poor white trash! STFU!
'You are' is contracted to 'you're', not 'your'.
Looks like you are the uneducated trash, not the poster from Annandale.
heh
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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/19/2010 01:11PM by Dane Bramage.
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> Poor white trash! STFU!
'You are' is contracted to 'you're', not 'your'.
Looks like you are the uneducated trash, not the poster from Annandale.
heh
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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/19/2010 01:11PM by Dane Bramage.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
To county employee
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Date: December 19, 2010 01:17PM
Where can we get the info about the asbestos? Thanks.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Oops!
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Date: December 19, 2010 01:20PM
to the Fairview mom Wrote:
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> How about ALL the parents act happy that FCPS is
> screwing us in the ass. I am not afraid for the
> kids it is the parents I am worrying about.
Oh - Now I see how this works. You want us to pretend we are OUTRAGED Clifton students are coming to our schools to use that as a reason not to close Clifton. Sorry - I didn't mean to mess with your plan.
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> How about ALL the parents act happy that FCPS is
> screwing us in the ass. I am not afraid for the
> kids it is the parents I am worrying about.
Oh - Now I see how this works. You want us to pretend we are OUTRAGED Clifton students are coming to our schools to use that as a reason not to close Clifton. Sorry - I didn't mean to mess with your plan.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
The SB is the one with plan
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Date: December 19, 2010 01:42PM
Wow, you Fairview parents are mean.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Listenup
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Date: December 19, 2010 01:58PM
To County Employee...interesting comment regarding asbestos in CES. Would you suggest where parents of children who attend older schools could find the same type of information that you are referring to for CES.
I would think FCPS really would not mind if CES has asbestos....it was FCPS staff supporting building a new school at Liberty Middle site where there is 80 acres of naturally occurring asbestos...some only 6 inches deep around the school.
Seems that FCPS was ready to dig, grade, etc asbestos containing soil and not give a flip about the kids in classrooms, kids playing on the fields, and kids in adjacent neighborhoods. That is, until just days before the public hearing when some Clifton parents raised the questions about the hazards of naturally occurring asbestos.
Staff did not provide the information and the AD Hoc Committee members never raised the question, although there was information in the materials they were given.
Maybe some of the AD Hoc committee members would like to respond. Did you or did you not know about the naturally occurring asbestos?
I would think FCPS really would not mind if CES has asbestos....it was FCPS staff supporting building a new school at Liberty Middle site where there is 80 acres of naturally occurring asbestos...some only 6 inches deep around the school.
Seems that FCPS was ready to dig, grade, etc asbestos containing soil and not give a flip about the kids in classrooms, kids playing on the fields, and kids in adjacent neighborhoods. That is, until just days before the public hearing when some Clifton parents raised the questions about the hazards of naturally occurring asbestos.
Staff did not provide the information and the AD Hoc Committee members never raised the question, although there was information in the materials they were given.
Maybe some of the AD Hoc committee members would like to respond. Did you or did you not know about the naturally occurring asbestos?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Dane Bramage is a douche
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Date: December 19, 2010 02:10PM
Yeah, you're (or your or you are or how ever you want to say/spell it) are a DOUCHE BAG. What an asshole. Annandale is an inside the beltway little Saigon. So douche, STFU. Anyone who tries to defend Shitfield or Annandare are either chinks, white trash or Liz Bradsher's whores. Which one are you Dane? Don't bother answering, nobody gives a shit what you say anyway.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
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Date: December 19, 2010 10:24PM
Dane Bramage is a douche Wrote:
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> Yeah, you're (or your or you are or how ever you
> want to say/spell it) are a DOUCHE BAG. What an
> asshole. Annandale is an inside the beltway
> little Saigon. So douche, STFU. Anyone who tries
> to defend Shitfield or Annandare are either
> chinks, white trash or Liz Bradsher's whores.
> Which one are you Dane? Don't bother answering,
> nobody gives a shit what you say anyway.
LOL, very intelligent post. With all the hate being spewed in here, it's looking like the school closing is an act of collective Clifton Karma.
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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
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> Yeah, you're (or your or you are or how ever you
> want to say/spell it) are a DOUCHE BAG. What an
> asshole. Annandale is an inside the beltway
> little Saigon. So douche, STFU. Anyone who tries
> to defend Shitfield or Annandare are either
> chinks, white trash or Liz Bradsher's whores.
> Which one are you Dane? Don't bother answering,
> nobody gives a shit what you say anyway.
LOL, very intelligent post. With all the hate being spewed in here, it's looking like the school closing is an act of collective Clifton Karma.
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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
county employee
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Date: December 20, 2010 05:15AM
To county employee Wrote:
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> Where can we get the info about the asbestos?
> Thanks.
Most county schools have asbestos. We are required by federal law to have at least one copy of the current remediation report available in the main office of each school. This is an OSHA requirement for employees and contractors working in the school to have acess to this information. I dont think there would be a problem for a parent or student to have acess to the reports.
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> Where can we get the info about the asbestos?
> Thanks.
Most county schools have asbestos. We are required by federal law to have at least one copy of the current remediation report available in the main office of each school. This is an OSHA requirement for employees and contractors working in the school to have acess to this information. I dont think there would be a problem for a parent or student to have acess to the reports.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Whiners Grow Up !
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Date: December 20, 2010 11:14AM
These Cliftonites need to give it a break. If you want you own little school -- the proverbial little red brick school, then start a charter school or move to Iowa. In this era of budget cutbacks and three years of no teacher raises, the rest of the county should not have to subsidize
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Start a Charter school
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Date: December 20, 2010 11:21AM
If only it was that easy to start a Charter school. If a charter school does work out all kids from FCPS could apply. (I do not have a problem with that) We would love to have that option and the school be open by next fall.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Why Should I Subsidize Your School?
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Date: December 20, 2010 11:42AM
Charter, schmarter. You can always Home-School your little urchins. That will keep in the insular, Stepford-wife confines of Clifton. The village that time forgot.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
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Date: December 20, 2010 01:12PM
To "Why Should I Subsidize Your School?":
Don't all property owners (real and personal) pay taxes in Fairfax County? I assume you have no issue with subsidizing the ongoing operations of other schools with lower enrollments (yes there are several) and higher costs per student than Clifton Elementary? Just wondering what your main beef happens to be.... You do realize that the uber-wealthy in Fairfax County (not just Clifton) already send their children to private school? Have you met or had direct interactions with the children attending Clifton Elementary? Please, enlighten us all with your insightful perspective....
Don't all property owners (real and personal) pay taxes in Fairfax County? I assume you have no issue with subsidizing the ongoing operations of other schools with lower enrollments (yes there are several) and higher costs per student than Clifton Elementary? Just wondering what your main beef happens to be.... You do realize that the uber-wealthy in Fairfax County (not just Clifton) already send their children to private school? Have you met or had direct interactions with the children attending Clifton Elementary? Please, enlighten us all with your insightful perspective....
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Close it up!
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Date: December 20, 2010 10:17PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> Please,
> enlighten us all with your insightful
> perspective....
The place is run down and needs repairs, it's required potable water to be trucked in due to bad wells, and is difficult to get to for construction. Enrollment overall is on the decline, although there was a little spike this year. It won't grow due to the five acre lots required by the watershed.
We all see the arguments here. Nothing but hate filled attack posts and hundreds of FOIA emails posted as a way to 'get back' at the board. The funniest part is that many of the emails provide even more proof and support that the board DID THE RIGHT THING.
You have no facts, just a bunch of anger and hate.
That kid shot down in Burke? He probably opposed the school closing anf Clifton residents had him beaten and shot.
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> Please,
> enlighten us all with your insightful
> perspective....
The place is run down and needs repairs, it's required potable water to be trucked in due to bad wells, and is difficult to get to for construction. Enrollment overall is on the decline, although there was a little spike this year. It won't grow due to the five acre lots required by the watershed.
We all see the arguments here. Nothing but hate filled attack posts and hundreds of FOIA emails posted as a way to 'get back' at the board. The funniest part is that many of the emails provide even more proof and support that the board DID THE RIGHT THING.
You have no facts, just a bunch of anger and hate.
That kid shot down in Burke? He probably opposed the school closing anf Clifton residents had him beaten and shot.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
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Date: December 21, 2010 04:33PM
To "Close it up!":
Find any school in Fairfax County that has not received a full renovation in the last 25 years and you will see many are in need of some level of work. Clifton Elementary actually functions quite well right now and has had a number of updates to the interior, HVAC and technology. The technology updates made available to teachers within the school were due to the collaborative efforts of the staff and the PTA. And remember, the Clifton Elementary families asked that any renovation efforts be delayed at Clifton so other schools in greater need of renovations could receive them. Those are all facts.
The wells function just fine now and even FCPS has stated that. No issue with potable water at all. This is a fact.
Enrollment at CES is up from last year and the school is over 95% capacity this year. There are more than a handful of other elementary schools in Fairfax County that have enrollments lower than CES. Again, all facts.
Please show me where the anger is in this post and the facts are lacking.
And yes, your comment about the poor young man shot to death in Burke is beyond crude. That too is a fact.
Find any school in Fairfax County that has not received a full renovation in the last 25 years and you will see many are in need of some level of work. Clifton Elementary actually functions quite well right now and has had a number of updates to the interior, HVAC and technology. The technology updates made available to teachers within the school were due to the collaborative efforts of the staff and the PTA. And remember, the Clifton Elementary families asked that any renovation efforts be delayed at Clifton so other schools in greater need of renovations could receive them. Those are all facts.
The wells function just fine now and even FCPS has stated that. No issue with potable water at all. This is a fact.
Enrollment at CES is up from last year and the school is over 95% capacity this year. There are more than a handful of other elementary schools in Fairfax County that have enrollments lower than CES. Again, all facts.
Please show me where the anger is in this post and the facts are lacking.
And yes, your comment about the poor young man shot to death in Burke is beyond crude. That too is a fact.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Close it up
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Date: December 21, 2010 07:18PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> To "Close it up!":
>
The fact that Clifton parents are willing to do anything to keep their school open, including delay required repairs, does not change the fact that it needs those costly renovations.
You fuckers can keep regurgitating the garbage you are posting and flooding this place with hate and FOIA emails. I'll pop in from time to time to remind you of the truth.
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> To "Close it up!":
>
The fact that Clifton parents are willing to do anything to keep their school open, including delay required repairs, does not change the fact that it needs those costly renovations.
You fuckers can keep regurgitating the garbage you are posting and flooding this place with hate and FOIA emails. I'll pop in from time to time to remind you of the truth.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
pu ti esolC
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Date: December 21, 2010 07:28PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> ...Clifton Elementary actually functions quite
> well right now...
>
> ...The wells function just fine now...
The I-35 Mississippi River Bridge functioned quite well, up until it collapsed...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-35W_Mississippi_River_bridge
But hey, since they work fine now they'll obviously work fine forever. Nothing needed! Let's never close anything!
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> ...Clifton Elementary actually functions quite
> well right now...
>
> ...The wells function just fine now...
The I-35 Mississippi River Bridge functioned quite well, up until it collapsed...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-35W_Mississippi_River_bridge
But hey, since they work fine now they'll obviously work fine forever. Nothing needed! Let's never close anything!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Truth poking you right back
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Date: December 21, 2010 07:30PM
@Close it up:
Interesting,you just keep regurgitating "facts" that have been shown to be false. When you look at the domino effect that closing CES has caused, and the fact that the School Board has been making this up as they have gone along, it is a pretty pathetic showing for FFX County Schools.
Just look at the ever changing alternives that have been forwarded. All of these should have been in hand and understood prior to any CES decision. Unfortunately, a very arrogant shell game is being played with our children's educations.
Just providing a different view of what I see happening to help you understand your "truth" may just be opinion.
BTW, my kids don't go to Clifton, but they are going to be impacted by this horrendous bunch of clowns on the School Board.
Interesting,you just keep regurgitating "facts" that have been shown to be false. When you look at the domino effect that closing CES has caused, and the fact that the School Board has been making this up as they have gone along, it is a pretty pathetic showing for FFX County Schools.
Just look at the ever changing alternives that have been forwarded. All of these should have been in hand and understood prior to any CES decision. Unfortunately, a very arrogant shell game is being played with our children's educations.
Just providing a different view of what I see happening to help you understand your "truth" may just be opinion.
BTW, my kids don't go to Clifton, but they are going to be impacted by this horrendous bunch of clowns on the School Board.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
why so hot?
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Date: December 21, 2010 07:56PM
Wow. The wrath of the posters who are for the Clifton closing is more than palpable. I don't understand why it means so much to them that Clifton be closed. Calling the people who are against closing Clifton "fuckers who regurgitate garbage" is pretty strong stuff. I don't understand why it means so dang much to them that this school be closed---it almost sounds personal. I am not from Clifton and do not live in the area affected at all. What I see here is just weird. My take is that Liz Bradsher or her minions are posting this stuff because they are incredibly emotionally involved. It was never about data and anything logical from what I can see after reading all of the facts. Calling people "fuckers" does not help your side---it gives you no credibility whatsoever. Maybe you had a couple of drinks when you wrote that? Alcoholics Anonymous can help you---things are getting out of control for you.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Closing Clifton is good for who?
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Date: December 21, 2010 08:15PM
Liz Bradsher and her so called friends. Why? Maybe we should dig a little to find out the truth.
BTW: I do not have a dog in this fight. Liz Bradsher looks like she has something to gain by closing Clifton elementary.
BTW: I do not have a dog in this fight. Liz Bradsher looks like she has something to gain by closing Clifton elementary.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
22151 longtime
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Date: December 21, 2010 08:34PM
The debate over closing and or changing schools is a never ending thing in Fairfax. I have seen it go on for almost 40 years. Most people resist change especially when it involves their kids.
When Lake Braddock secondary opened up in the mid 70's everybody fought like hell to keep their kids at West Springfield or Robinson.
The Clifton elem parents deserve to have their stories heard but the school must be closed. It's great that we have forums like this to allow everybody to vent.
When Lake Braddock secondary opened up in the mid 70's everybody fought like hell to keep their kids at West Springfield or Robinson.
The Clifton elem parents deserve to have their stories heard but the school must be closed. It's great that we have forums like this to allow everybody to vent.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Let' s all just cave in
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Date: December 21, 2010 08:46PM
So we should except what the SB says and not have a mind of are own. Look at America right now and see what great shape it is in. I do not want to lay down and watch what is happening in Fairfax. I will fight for what is right. If you do not agree, fine. I want what is best for ALL of Fairfax.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
22151 longtime
()
Date: December 21, 2010 08:59PM
Let' s all just cave in Wrote:
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> So we should except what the SB says and not have
> a mind of are own. Look at America right now and
> see what great shape it is in. I do not want to
> lay down and watch what is happening in Fairfax. I
> will fight for what is right. If you do not agree,
> fine. I want what is best for ALL of Fairfax.
It's great to see that you care enough about your kids to fight for what you think is right. Standing up for your kids is important, keeping CES open is not.
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> So we should except what the SB says and not have
> a mind of are own. Look at America right now and
> see what great shape it is in. I do not want to
> lay down and watch what is happening in Fairfax. I
> will fight for what is right. If you do not agree,
> fine. I want what is best for ALL of Fairfax.
It's great to see that you care enough about your kids to fight for what you think is right. Standing up for your kids is important, keeping CES open is not.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
no comparison
()
Date: December 21, 2010 09:08PM
But you have not convinced us why CES has to close. The reasons must be awfully important----so important that you are willing to spend much more money and put kids on long bus rides and add trailers to other schools and close CES before a plan is in place, etc. etc. When Lake Braddock was built, at least people knew where their kids would be going---to a school CLOSER with NO TRAILERS. There were no options A, B, C, D, and then an E that was "mysterious" and to come. I don't think you can compare opening Lake Braddock SS to closing CES. They are two totally different situations and opposition reasons are very different. This is not the same case as the Lake Braddock opening AT ALL. I wonder how many more less than intelligent arguments you can pull out of your hat.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Schools out 4ever
()
Date: December 21, 2010 10:57PM
Closing Clifton is good for who? Wrote:
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>
> BTW: I do not have a dog in this fight.
Then STFU!
The school is a money pit, pure and simple.
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>
> BTW: I do not have a dog in this fight.
Then STFU!
The school is a money pit, pure and simple.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
herewegoagain
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Date: December 21, 2010 11:17PM
Schools out 4ever Wrote:
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> Closing Clifton is good for who? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > BTW: I do not have a dog in this fight.
>
> Then STFU!
>
> The school is a money pit, pure and simple.
I would argue that everyone in the County has a dog in this fight. It's name is YOUR TAX DOLLARS!
So, Schools out 4ever, you STFU. And no, the school is not a money pit.
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> Closing Clifton is good for who? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > BTW: I do not have a dog in this fight.
>
> Then STFU!
>
> The school is a money pit, pure and simple.
I would argue that everyone in the County has a dog in this fight. It's name is YOUR TAX DOLLARS!
So, Schools out 4ever, you STFU. And no, the school is not a money pit.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
dell ave
()
Date: December 23, 2010 10:51AM
Robert Wrote:
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> I WANT TO SUE FCPS. THEY ARE CLOSING CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IT ONE OF THE BEST SCHOOL IN
> FCPS. I HATE JACK DALE. THE ONLY REASON CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS SUCH A GOOD SCHOOL IS BECAUSE
> WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BLAKCS OR ILLEGALS IN OUR
> SCHOOL. IF WE REMOVED THEM EVER SCHOOL WOULD BE
> LIKE CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Robert, I walked up to the school tuesday and asked for the asbestos report. They let me see it but would give out no copies. I wonder if the county planned this but the schools permit does expire this summer. Clifton elemantry is chock full of asbestos but this is nothing unusual for schools built back in the day. It would be a violation of federal law to use this school next year so those of us that fought to save CES have wasted our time.
I wonder why the school board did not point this out to us before. If you dont beleive me just go check it out like I did.
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> I WANT TO SUE FCPS. THEY ARE CLOSING CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IT ONE OF THE BEST SCHOOL IN
> FCPS. I HATE JACK DALE. THE ONLY REASON CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS SUCH A GOOD SCHOOL IS BECAUSE
> WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BLAKCS OR ILLEGALS IN OUR
> SCHOOL. IF WE REMOVED THEM EVER SCHOOL WOULD BE
> LIKE CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Robert, I walked up to the school tuesday and asked for the asbestos report. They let me see it but would give out no copies. I wonder if the county planned this but the schools permit does expire this summer. Clifton elemantry is chock full of asbestos but this is nothing unusual for schools built back in the day. It would be a violation of federal law to use this school next year so those of us that fought to save CES have wasted our time.
I wonder why the school board did not point this out to us before. If you dont beleive me just go check it out like I did.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Wow, thanks for info
()
Date: December 23, 2010 11:05AM
I guess we must now accept that Clifton is going to close. If the school cannot pass the abesestos study(which it looks like it will not) then the school is toast.
When is option E coming out? I just want to find out where my kids are going next year.
When is option E coming out? I just want to find out where my kids are going next year.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
NewToClifton
()
Date: December 23, 2010 11:10AM
Whiners Grow Up ! Wrote:
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> These Cliftonites need to give it a break. If you
> want you own little school -- the proverbial
> little red brick school, then start a charter
> school or move to Iowa. In this era of budget
> cutbacks and three years of no teacher raises, the
> rest of the county should not have to subsidize
You don't understand - closing Clifton will actually cost more (in additions to other schools, additional transportation funds, etc.) than to leave it open and even do renovations to it. Closing it creates MORE overcrowding and will cost MORE in additions to other schools. It doesn't make sense, unless the SB has a vested monetary interest (or a kickback from it) in the Clifton ES site.
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> These Cliftonites need to give it a break. If you
> want you own little school -- the proverbial
> little red brick school, then start a charter
> school or move to Iowa. In this era of budget
> cutbacks and three years of no teacher raises, the
> rest of the county should not have to subsidize
You don't understand - closing Clifton will actually cost more (in additions to other schools, additional transportation funds, etc.) than to leave it open and even do renovations to it. Closing it creates MORE overcrowding and will cost MORE in additions to other schools. It doesn't make sense, unless the SB has a vested monetary interest (or a kickback from it) in the Clifton ES site.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
NewToClifton
()
Date: December 23, 2010 11:11AM
Why Should I Subsidize Your School? Wrote:
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> Charter, schmarter. You can always Home-School
> your little urchins. That will keep in the
> insular, Stepford-wife confines of Clifton. The
> village that time forgot.
Kind of hard to homeschool with dual income families residing in normal size (yes, those do exist in Clifton) houses.
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> Charter, schmarter. You can always Home-School
> your little urchins. That will keep in the
> insular, Stepford-wife confines of Clifton. The
> village that time forgot.
Kind of hard to homeschool with dual income families residing in normal size (yes, those do exist in Clifton) houses.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
shmasbestos
()
Date: December 23, 2010 03:53PM
This asbestos thing is a joke. Asbestos is NOT a problem as long as it is not floating around in the air. When it is disturbed (as it would be by building a new school at the Liberty site), then it is a problem.
I have a house with asbestos in it (tile, etc.). Do you think my house will be shut down by the feds?
Lots of schools have asbestos in them. It is only a problem if somehow it is disturbed and made airborne---like scraped off of something by mechanical means. Yes, if there is a renovation---then they have to use care in moving things and taking out structures that have asbestos. I was at Lee HS when they renovated it----tons of asbestos there---they used the plastic sheets and hired the right people to deal with it---no big deal. I was there the whole time and I feel fine (and am still alive and breathing well right now).
The kids will be FINE. I would wager that Clifton has some of the healthiest kids in the county (check asthma rates there). I have never heard of a parent barring their kid from a school due to asbestos.
I have a house with asbestos in it (tile, etc.). Do you think my house will be shut down by the feds?
Lots of schools have asbestos in them. It is only a problem if somehow it is disturbed and made airborne---like scraped off of something by mechanical means. Yes, if there is a renovation---then they have to use care in moving things and taking out structures that have asbestos. I was at Lee HS when they renovated it----tons of asbestos there---they used the plastic sheets and hired the right people to deal with it---no big deal. I was there the whole time and I feel fine (and am still alive and breathing well right now).
The kids will be FINE. I would wager that Clifton has some of the healthiest kids in the county (check asthma rates there). I have never heard of a parent barring their kid from a school due to asbestos.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: December 23, 2010 04:03PM
The expense of asbestos abatement while renovating CES was already calculated into the cost. It STILL costs the county LESS to keep this school open than it does to build additions at multiple schools.
From: Sneed, Kevin
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tue Jun 29 10:15:52 2010
Subject: RE: Note
Yes, I have assumed $65,000 in abatement. We are checking the soils map now to verify whether the Clifton site is in the same problem soils area as Liberty.
My civil engineer is pulling the old Liberty geotech reports to verify that we did not encounter asbestos during its construction (I will let you know as soon as I find out – can you imagine if that were the case?).
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:07 AM
To: Sneed, Kevin
Subject: Note
Kevin,
If a renovation were done to Clifton do you think we find asbestos in that building and thus that certainly would require precautions?
BTW thanks for your time this AM!
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
From: Sneed, Kevin
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tue Jun 29 10:15:52 2010
Subject: RE: Note
Yes, I have assumed $65,000 in abatement. We are checking the soils map now to verify whether the Clifton site is in the same problem soils area as Liberty.
My civil engineer is pulling the old Liberty geotech reports to verify that we did not encounter asbestos during its construction (I will let you know as soon as I find out – can you imagine if that were the case?).
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:07 AM
To: Sneed, Kevin
Subject: Note
Kevin,
If a renovation were done to Clifton do you think we find asbestos in that building and thus that certainly would require precautions?
BTW thanks for your time this AM!
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
question for help
()
Date: December 26, 2010 11:26PM
Can someone tell me where to find a good homeschooling program? Is there a website that sells the materials that I will need?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Former clifton townie
()
Date: May 12, 2011 08:56PM
question for help Wrote:
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> Can someone tell me where to find a good
> homeschooling program? Is there a website that
> sells the materials that I will need?
IS it for sure that the clifton school will close? Will they tear it down?
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> Can someone tell me where to find a good
> homeschooling program? Is there a website that
> sells the materials that I will need?
IS it for sure that the clifton school will close? Will they tear it down?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
I want a Nordstrom's
()
Date: May 12, 2011 09:08PM
I hate driving to Tysons corner in my BMW.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
kdoubled
()
Date: May 12, 2011 10:44PM
move out of clifton where fairfax can tell you what to do. move to the city of falls church where the cost per pupil is through the roof and the tax payers still demand higher wages for the teachers. they hate diversity, too. you guys could move to falls church, it's just as pricey but your lot size for the same priced home will be 1/10 what it is in clifton. hell falls church has it's own high school, that is when you can really turn up your nose at the riff raff. how lame is it to have your own ES then have to send the kids away to rub elbows with common folk in HS??? 22046 4 life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
F-22
()
Date: May 13, 2011 11:19AM
How is Clifton rich?? Median household income is $117,000 compared to $188,000 for Oakton according to Wikipedia. Clifton people need to STFU and close this POS.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
done
()
Date: May 13, 2011 12:42PM
Former clifton townie Wrote:
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> question for help Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Can someone tell me where to find a good
> > homeschooling program? Is there a website that
> > sells the materials that I will need?
>
>
> IS it for sure that the clifton school will close?
> Will they tear it down?
It's finished, kaput. I think they are going to turn it into a YMCA or low income housing.
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> question for help Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Can someone tell me where to find a good
> > homeschooling program? Is there a website that
> > sells the materials that I will need?
>
>
> IS it for sure that the clifton school will close?
> Will they tear it down?
It's finished, kaput. I think they are going to turn it into a YMCA or low income housing.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Sect..
()
Date: May 13, 2011 09:24PM
done Wrote:
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> Former clifton townie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > It's finished, kaput. I think they are going to
> turn it into a YMCA or low income housing.
Section 8?, Fantastic!!!!!!!
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> Former clifton townie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > It's finished, kaput. I think they are going to
> turn it into a YMCA or low income housing.
Section 8?, Fantastic!!!!!!!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
To delight in someone's misfortune
()
Date: May 13, 2011 09:30PM
What is the name for that?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 14, 2011 08:48AM
Eagles beat Cardinals last night!
GO OAKVIEW!!!!
GO OAKVIEW!!!!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Schadenfreude
()
Date: May 14, 2011 08:56AM
Thanks.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
wow
()
Date: June 01, 2011 06:20PM
today i learned people in clifton are...kind of racist. maybe more diverse schools dont always out perform segregated...erm..."less diverse" schools...but at least more of those kids won't grow up to be racist assholes like their parents probably are.
half the people in clifton make me sick. just because you're blessed with a lot of money you look down on everyone else. if you want your kid to be a snob and go to a school with a 1:5 teacher-student ratio, send them to a private school. that way they can be just like mommy and daddy.
half the people in clifton make me sick. just because you're blessed with a lot of money you look down on everyone else. if you want your kid to be a snob and go to a school with a 1:5 teacher-student ratio, send them to a private school. that way they can be just like mommy and daddy.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: June 01, 2011 06:35PM
@wow- Please enlighten us all on your racist experience of late. Also 1:5 ratio? Are you kidding me? I think you are very mistaken on that front as nearly all classrooms at Clifton have 32 or more students in them (except for the unusually small first grade which still has almost 30 in each classroom). Please, fill us all in on the information you are working from.
I am more than fed up with this bashing crap. Own up to what your experience was with details instead of hiding behind vague references with no meat. Also, please show me the huge volume of insanely wealthy people tht live IN CLIFTON LIMITS vs any other affluent area of Fairfax County (McLean, Great Falls, etc.) And who cares if they are wealthy....jealous much?
I am more than fed up with this bashing crap. Own up to what your experience was with details instead of hiding behind vague references with no meat. Also, please show me the huge volume of insanely wealthy people tht live IN CLIFTON LIMITS vs any other affluent area of Fairfax County (McLean, Great Falls, etc.) And who cares if they are wealthy....jealous much?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Blah
()
Date: June 01, 2011 06:48PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> @wow- Please enlighten us all on your racist
> experience of late. Also 1:5 ratio? Are you
> kidding me? I think you are very mistaken on that
> front as nearly all classrooms at Clifton have 32
> or more students in them (except for the unusually
> small first grade which still has almost 30 in
> each classroom). Please, fill us all in on the
> information you are working from.
>
> I am more than fed up with this bashing crap. Own
> up to what your experience was with details
> instead of hiding behind vague references with no
> meat. Also, please show me the huge volume of
> insanely wealthy people tht live IN CLIFTON LIMITS
> vs any other affluent area of Fairfax County
> (McLean, Great Falls, etc.) And who cares if they
> are wealthy....jealous much?
You both are racists.
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> @wow- Please enlighten us all on your racist
> experience of late. Also 1:5 ratio? Are you
> kidding me? I think you are very mistaken on that
> front as nearly all classrooms at Clifton have 32
> or more students in them (except for the unusually
> small first grade which still has almost 30 in
> each classroom). Please, fill us all in on the
> information you are working from.
>
> I am more than fed up with this bashing crap. Own
> up to what your experience was with details
> instead of hiding behind vague references with no
> meat. Also, please show me the huge volume of
> insanely wealthy people tht live IN CLIFTON LIMITS
> vs any other affluent area of Fairfax County
> (McLean, Great Falls, etc.) And who cares if they
> are wealthy....jealous much?
You both are racists.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 01, 2011 09:12PM
Clifton may be a LOT of things (LoLz) but racist isnt really one of them, wow
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
LOLZ
()
Date: June 02, 2011 06:59AM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> Clifton may be a LOT of things (LoLz) but racist
> isnt really one of them, wow
Yeah right, it used to be white's only back in the 19th Century.
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> Clifton may be a LOT of things (LoLz) but racist
> isnt really one of them, wow
Yeah right, it used to be white's only back in the 19th Century.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
anon
()
Date: June 02, 2011 07:41AM
i like clifton
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Nextdoorneighbor
()
Date: June 02, 2011 11:57AM
Oh well shit happens you guys
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
DKHill
()
Date: June 02, 2011 03:35PM
This is really sad. For all the "Clifton haters", you should realize that we are leading the fight against the corrupt self serving school board that wrongly closed our school. We have lost our community school but are still fighting to make sure this school board isn't allowed to arbitrarily close the next school. I am not a racist and I am not rich. I care about my children and when the school board wrongly closes the elementary school my children would have attended you better believe I am going to fight for it. I expect that you would do the same and I hope you remember all of this when the FCSB targets your school. We have made it very difficult for the school board to do to others what they have done to us. If another community school is attacked like ours has been, I doubt you will find any derogatory and hurtful comments coming from anyone in Clifton. We are not your enemy. We are your neighbors.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/02/2011 04:29PM by DKHill.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/02/2011 04:29PM by DKHill.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 03, 2011 08:05PM
LOLZ Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Clifton may be a LOT of things (LoLz) but
> racist
> > isnt really one of them, wow
>
> Yeah right, it used to be white's only back in the
> 19th Century.
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well, there you have it then............cause everyone else in the 19th Century LOVED black ppl, right?
Christ on a cracker, man - GROW UP AND JOIN US HERE IN THE TWENTY FIRST CENTURY
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Clifton may be a LOT of things (LoLz) but
> racist
> > isnt really one of them, wow
>
> Yeah right, it used to be white's only back in the
> 19th Century.
-----------------------------------------
well, there you have it then............cause everyone else in the 19th Century LOVED black ppl, right?
Christ on a cracker, man - GROW UP AND JOIN US HERE IN THE TWENTY FIRST CENTURY
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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Pat H
()
Date: June 03, 2011 08:37PM
Tear down this Wall, err, building
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Hey Pat
()
Date: June 03, 2011 08:42PM
You must be the one sucking ass for Liz.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Is Pat a male or female?
()
Date: June 03, 2011 08:47PM
You are still a sick to "eat" with Liz.
Gross.
Gross.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Done Deal Now
()
Date: June 03, 2011 11:01PM
Today the Virginia Supreme Court upheld the FCPS School Board's decision to close Clifton Elementary School. That sucks for the town and the local taxpayers and school children. But that is the way it is gonna be.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
one man's waste....
()
Date: June 04, 2011 12:35PM
This whole "dialogue" just goes to show that one man's needless government waste is another man's essential government program.
The people of Clifton are not racist. But at least some of them ARE selfish and hypocritical. The decision to close Clifton ES was primarily financial: keeping it open simply was not the most efficient use of taxpayer money.
Is it ironic that this happened in a community that has been leading the charge for budget cuts and tax reductions in Fairfax County? Or is it just another case of wealthy conservatives insisting on budget cuts until the axe swings in their direction?
The best argument Cliftonites have made is that this will tear this community apart. In that case, it's a shame that this supposedly tight-knit community never bothered to develop any other institutions that could hold it together.
It was never FCPS/FCSB's job to maintain Clifton's definition of itself as somehow separate from everybody else. These children go to the supposedly horrific schools nearby and discover, to their surprise, that they are strong communities full of wonderful people as well.
Done Deal Now Wrote:
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> Today the Virginia Supreme Court upheld the FCPS
> School Board's decision to close Clifton
> Elementary School. That sucks for the town and
> the local taxpayers and school children. But that
> is the way it is gonna be.
The people of Clifton are not racist. But at least some of them ARE selfish and hypocritical. The decision to close Clifton ES was primarily financial: keeping it open simply was not the most efficient use of taxpayer money.
Is it ironic that this happened in a community that has been leading the charge for budget cuts and tax reductions in Fairfax County? Or is it just another case of wealthy conservatives insisting on budget cuts until the axe swings in their direction?
The best argument Cliftonites have made is that this will tear this community apart. In that case, it's a shame that this supposedly tight-knit community never bothered to develop any other institutions that could hold it together.
It was never FCPS/FCSB's job to maintain Clifton's definition of itself as somehow separate from everybody else. These children go to the supposedly horrific schools nearby and discover, to their surprise, that they are strong communities full of wonderful people as well.
Done Deal Now Wrote:
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> Today the Virginia Supreme Court upheld the FCPS
> School Board's decision to close Clifton
> Elementary School. That sucks for the town and
> the local taxpayers and school children. But that
> is the way it is gonna be.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
what with the property
()
Date: June 04, 2011 12:45PM
What's going to happen to the building? Will they tear it down?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
county worker
()
Date: June 04, 2011 01:04PM
what with the property Wrote:
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> What's going to happen to the building? Will they
> tear it down?
No the local douche bags there in clifton have gotten some historic building bullshit permit so it will stay and cost you all money. The county is going to see if they can get the asbestos inspection through so we can at least use it for something. If not it will be sealed up and no acess without special equipment and SCBA tank.
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> What's going to happen to the building? Will they
> tear it down?
No the local douche bags there in clifton have gotten some historic building bullshit permit so it will stay and cost you all money. The county is going to see if they can get the asbestos inspection through so we can at least use it for something. If not it will be sealed up and no acess without special equipment and SCBA tank.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Cliftonite
()
Date: June 04, 2011 01:45PM
I live in Clifton. I am sad that Clifton Elementary is closed. It has already been said, but i will agree with others who are not afraid to say this: I hate most niggers and illegal spics. I also hate smelly dot heads with their funny talk. I don't want my kids breeding with those animals so keeping them out of the school is what I prefer. That is what was so good about Clifton.
See most niggers and spics are lazy which is why they are poor. The cool thing about Clifton is that it costs a lot of money to live here. Since these minorities are mostly poor, they are kept out - with the exception of professional athletes of course. What is sad is that now my kids have to be around those disgusting people again.
Another thing that i dont like are poor people in general. If you make less than 200k per year, it is obvious that you did not really try hard in school or perform well at your job. As a result, you are poor. If you are poor you are of a lower class than we Clifton people and therefore should have separate schools from us. After all, our children will always perform better than your poor kids due to better heredity, nutrition, home environment, sleep, etc. I don't want poor kids to feel worse than they already do by virtue of being poor. I want them to be able to do the best they can so they can be good federal government employees (most are lazy and stupid) and restaurant managers and such.
Nicole Beem
See most niggers and spics are lazy which is why they are poor. The cool thing about Clifton is that it costs a lot of money to live here. Since these minorities are mostly poor, they are kept out - with the exception of professional athletes of course. What is sad is that now my kids have to be around those disgusting people again.
Another thing that i dont like are poor people in general. If you make less than 200k per year, it is obvious that you did not really try hard in school or perform well at your job. As a result, you are poor. If you are poor you are of a lower class than we Clifton people and therefore should have separate schools from us. After all, our children will always perform better than your poor kids due to better heredity, nutrition, home environment, sleep, etc. I don't want poor kids to feel worse than they already do by virtue of being poor. I want them to be able to do the best they can so they can be good federal government employees (most are lazy and stupid) and restaurant managers and such.
Nicole Beem
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Funny_Guy
()
Date: June 04, 2011 03:34PM
Cliftonite Wrote:
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> I live in Clifton. I am sad that Clifton
> Elementary is closed. It has already been said,
> but i will agree with others who are not afraid to
> say this: I hate most niggers and illegal spics.
> I also hate smelly dot heads with their funny
> talk. I don't want my kids breeding with those
> animals so keeping them out of the school is what
> I prefer. That is what was so good about Clifton.
>
>
> See most niggers and spics are lazy which is why
> they are poor. The cool thing about Clifton is
> that it costs a lot of money to live here. Since
> these minorities are mostly poor, they are kept
> out - with the exception of professional athletes
> of course. What is sad is that now my kids have
> to be around those disgusting people again.
>
> Another thing that i dont like are poor people in
> general. If you make less than 200k per year, it
> is obvious that you did not really try hard in
> school or perform well at your job. As a result,
> you are poor. If you are poor you are of a lower
> class than we Clifton people and therefore should
> have separate schools from us. After all, our
> children will always perform better than your poor
> kids due to better heredity, nutrition, home
> environment, sleep, etc. I don't want poor kids
> to feel worse than they already do by virtue of
> being poor. I want them to be able to do the best
> they can so they can be good federal government
> employees (most are lazy and stupid) and
> restaurant managers and such.
>
> Nicole Beem
I don't want to breed with your kind either. Judging by your typing and attitude, you're a white princess wannabe with too much baggage. Now go jump off a bridge so we can make a post about it and make fun of you. lol
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> I live in Clifton. I am sad that Clifton
> Elementary is closed. It has already been said,
> but i will agree with others who are not afraid to
> say this: I hate most niggers and illegal spics.
> I also hate smelly dot heads with their funny
> talk. I don't want my kids breeding with those
> animals so keeping them out of the school is what
> I prefer. That is what was so good about Clifton.
>
>
> See most niggers and spics are lazy which is why
> they are poor. The cool thing about Clifton is
> that it costs a lot of money to live here. Since
> these minorities are mostly poor, they are kept
> out - with the exception of professional athletes
> of course. What is sad is that now my kids have
> to be around those disgusting people again.
>
> Another thing that i dont like are poor people in
> general. If you make less than 200k per year, it
> is obvious that you did not really try hard in
> school or perform well at your job. As a result,
> you are poor. If you are poor you are of a lower
> class than we Clifton people and therefore should
> have separate schools from us. After all, our
> children will always perform better than your poor
> kids due to better heredity, nutrition, home
> environment, sleep, etc. I don't want poor kids
> to feel worse than they already do by virtue of
> being poor. I want them to be able to do the best
> they can so they can be good federal government
> employees (most are lazy and stupid) and
> restaurant managers and such.
>
> Nicole Beem
I don't want to breed with your kind either. Judging by your typing and attitude, you're a white princess wannabe with too much baggage. Now go jump off a bridge so we can make a post about it and make fun of you. lol
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 04, 2011 05:47PM
@Funny Guy - Cliftonite is as fake as that name (may be real but not his) or a porn star's breasts - dont buy that crap or think anybody from Clifton would even use the word "nigger" - believe me, it's beneath them to do so.
@Cliftonite - I'm sure you're proud you got a response from somebody
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@Cliftonite - I'm sure you're proud you got a response from somebody
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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
county worker
()
Date: June 04, 2011 07:48PM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @Funny Guy - Cliftonite is as fake as that name
> (may be real but not his) or a porn star's breasts
> - dont buy that crap or think anybody from Clifton
> would even use the word "nigger" - believe me,
> it's beneath them to do so.
>
> @Cliftonite - I'm sure you're proud you got a
> response from somebody
Yes that was clearly a troll post but there are some people in the clifton area that do think that way although they would never post their opinions on the web. Some teachers even have opinions very similar to the troll post.
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> @Funny Guy - Cliftonite is as fake as that name
> (may be real but not his) or a porn star's breasts
> - dont buy that crap or think anybody from Clifton
> would even use the word "nigger" - believe me,
> it's beneath them to do so.
>
> @Cliftonite - I'm sure you're proud you got a
> response from somebody
Yes that was clearly a troll post but there are some people in the clifton area that do think that way although they would never post their opinions on the web. Some teachers even have opinions very similar to the troll post.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Your wrong
()
Date: June 04, 2011 08:14PM
Most of us moved to Clifton to be on 5 acre lots.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
MAGNOLIA201
()
Date: June 04, 2011 09:12PM
They won - not a damn thing anyone can do. The FCPS schoolboard is GOD and you all need to remember this when re-election comes around. Senator Barker, Representative Hugo, or Supervisor Herrity had NO power against the misguided School Board. Who pays the brunt of the taxes for into the school system - Clifton Residents. THEY showed us.............
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
say
()
Date: June 04, 2011 09:40PM
I hope Clifton has learned from this.
You'll notice that this kind of shit does NOT happen in Great Falls/Langley. The School Board doesn't dare cross those people. Look at the absurd boundaries for Langley High. I don't know why they leave those folks alone out there, but if I had to guess, I'd say that Langley/GF folks have purchased enough politicians to ensure that they will get their way.
While Clifton is the "poor mans' Great Falls", they are still fairly well-heeled. They would be wise to start buying politicians as well. It's over for the school, but it might head off other shit that may coming down the road.
You'll notice that this kind of shit does NOT happen in Great Falls/Langley. The School Board doesn't dare cross those people. Look at the absurd boundaries for Langley High. I don't know why they leave those folks alone out there, but if I had to guess, I'd say that Langley/GF folks have purchased enough politicians to ensure that they will get their way.
While Clifton is the "poor mans' Great Falls", they are still fairly well-heeled. They would be wise to start buying politicians as well. It's over for the school, but it might head off other shit that may coming down the road.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
()
Date: June 04, 2011 09:42PM
MAGNOLIA201 Wrote:
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>Who pays the brunt of the taxes for into
> the school system - Clifton Residents.
Please get over yourself, Clifton residents do NOT pay the brunt of taxes into the school system. Some facts, there are 282 residents in Clifton and over 1,015,000 in Fairfax County. Even if you include the entire 20124 zipcode, it's ~18,000. You don't have the votes or enough population to swing elections or influence anyone. It's obvious. Despite all the saber rattling, lawsuits, FOIAs, it's over and CES is closing.
Time to move on, for your kids sake.
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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
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>Who pays the brunt of the taxes for into
> the school system - Clifton Residents.
Please get over yourself, Clifton residents do NOT pay the brunt of taxes into the school system. Some facts, there are 282 residents in Clifton and over 1,015,000 in Fairfax County. Even if you include the entire 20124 zipcode, it's ~18,000. You don't have the votes or enough population to swing elections or influence anyone. It's obvious. Despite all the saber rattling, lawsuits, FOIAs, it's over and CES is closing.
Time to move on, for your kids sake.
-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
IS not over
()
Date: June 04, 2011 10:33PM
Dane Bramage Wrote:
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> MAGNOLIA201 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >Who pays the brunt of the taxes for into
> > the school system - Clifton Residents.
>
> Please get over yourself, Clifton residents do NOT
> pay the brunt of taxes into the school system.
> Some facts, there are 282 residents in Clifton and
> over 1,015,000 in Fairfax County. Even if you
> include the entire 20124 zipcode, it's ~18,000.
> You don't have the votes or enough population to
> swing elections or influence anyone. It's obvious.
> Despite all the saber rattling, lawsuits, FOIAs,
> it's over and CES is closing.
>
> Time to move on, for your kids sake.
WE SUED FCPS AND THE SB. BUT WE LOST WE GOING TO TAKE THIS TO THE UNITED STATES Supreme Court IS NOT EVEN CLOSE OF EVEN OVER
-------------------------------------------------------
> MAGNOLIA201 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >Who pays the brunt of the taxes for into
> > the school system - Clifton Residents.
>
> Please get over yourself, Clifton residents do NOT
> pay the brunt of taxes into the school system.
> Some facts, there are 282 residents in Clifton and
> over 1,015,000 in Fairfax County. Even if you
> include the entire 20124 zipcode, it's ~18,000.
> You don't have the votes or enough population to
> swing elections or influence anyone. It's obvious.
> Despite all the saber rattling, lawsuits, FOIAs,
> it's over and CES is closing.
>
> Time to move on, for your kids sake.
WE SUED FCPS AND THE SB. BUT WE LOST WE GOING TO TAKE THIS TO THE UNITED STATES Supreme Court IS NOT EVEN CLOSE OF EVEN OVER
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
derrr
()
Date: June 04, 2011 10:56PM
"Clifton is the poor man's Great Falls."
Great quote, so true.
Clifton really isn't that nice.
Great quote, so true.
Clifton really isn't that nice.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
derrr
()
Date: June 04, 2011 11:01PM
DKHill Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is really sad. For all the "Clifton haters",
> you should realize that we are leading the fight
> against the corrupt self serving school board that
> wrongly closedour school. THEIR SCHOOL. We have lost our
> community school A SCHOOL FAIRFAX COUNTY OWNS AND CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH, but are still fighting to make
> sure this school board isn't allowed to
> arbitrarily close the next school. I am not a
> racist and I am not rich. I care about my children
> and when the school board wrongly closes the
> elementary school my children would have attended.
>BLAH BLAH BLAH
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is really sad. For all the "Clifton haters",
> you should realize that we are leading the fight
> against the corrupt self serving school board that
> wrongly closed
> community school
> sure this school board isn't allowed to
> arbitrarily close the next school. I am not a
> racist and I am not rich. I care about my children
> and when the school board wrongly closes the
> elementary school my children would have attended.
>BLAH BLAH BLAH
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
logicaldog
()
Date: June 09, 2011 05:18AM
Clifton should do what any motivated electorate should do, vote 'em out. You are right when you say it is a poor mans Great Falls (although 22039 has a higher house value), but Clifton is also traditionally a commuter pacifist community where the parents could actually care less. This charged them up, hopefully that will last. We need smart, informed, caring school board members NEXT time.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
justsayin
()
Date: June 09, 2011 07:15AM
DKHill Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is really sad. For all the "Clifton haters",
> you should realize that we are leading the fight
> against the corrupt self serving school board that
> wrongly closedour school. THEIR SCHOOL. We have lost our
>community school A SCHOOL FAIRFAX COUNTY OWNS AND CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH, but are still fighting to make
> sure this school board isn't allowed to
> arbitrarily close the next school. I am not a
> racist and I am not rich. I care about my children
> and when the school board wrongly closes the
> elementary school my children would have attended.
>BLAH BLAH BLAH
The corrections above are appropriate. Clifton ES is part of a school system, it is not a publicly-funded closed-community school. I suggested months ago they approach an organization that runs charter schools to see if they can buy or lease the property from the county and pay for teachers and property upkeep just like the rest of us (who don't live in Clifton) have to do with our kids' private schools. Did anyone do that?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2011 07:15AM by justsayin.
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is really sad. For all the "Clifton haters",
> you should realize that we are leading the fight
> against the corrupt self serving school board that
> wrongly closed
>
> sure this school board isn't allowed to
> arbitrarily close the next school. I am not a
> racist and I am not rich. I care about my children
> and when the school board wrongly closes the
> elementary school my children would have attended.
>BLAH BLAH BLAH
The corrections above are appropriate. Clifton ES is part of a school system, it is not a publicly-funded closed-community school. I suggested months ago they approach an organization that runs charter schools to see if they can buy or lease the property from the county and pay for teachers and property upkeep just like the rest of us (who don't live in Clifton) have to do with our kids' private schools. Did anyone do that?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2011 07:15AM by justsayin.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
To: Justsayin
()
Date: June 09, 2011 07:23AM
We pay taxes just like everyone else. To suggest we should pay the teachers and upkeep of the school is just stupid.
We have moved on. We are looking forward to starting at our new schools in the fall.
We have moved on. We are looking forward to starting at our new schools in the fall.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
justsayin
()
Date: June 09, 2011 07:30AM
I never suggested you pay for teachers and upkeep at a public school beyond the taxes you pay. I suggested a way to keep your non-public school the way you want it.
Plenty of people pay taxes AND send kids to private school, I only offer a suggestion that the rest of the parents in the county do when they are dissatisfied with their public school choices.
Plenty of people pay taxes AND send kids to private school, I only offer a suggestion that the rest of the parents in the county do when they are dissatisfied with their public school choices.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Nelson M
()
Date: June 21, 2011 02:40PM
HA HA! They closed your school.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Liz needs to STFU
()
Date: June 21, 2011 09:00PM
Hiding out as Nelson is a shame and it is shocking how you both look alike! Poor Nelson.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
county mountie
()
Date: July 23, 2011 06:33PM
Robert Wrote:
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> I WANT TO SUE FCPS. THEY ARE CLOSING CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IT ONE OF THE BEST SCHOOL IN
> FCPS. I HATE JACK DALE. THE ONLY REASON CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS SUCH A GOOD SCHOOL IS BECAUSE
> WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BLAKCS OR ILLEGALS IN OUR
> SCHOOL. IF WE REMOVED THEM EVER SCHOOL WOULD BE
> LIKE CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
let's discuss this some more.
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> I WANT TO SUE FCPS. THEY ARE CLOSING CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IT ONE OF THE BEST SCHOOL IN
> FCPS. I HATE JACK DALE. THE ONLY REASON CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS SUCH A GOOD SCHOOL IS BECAUSE
> WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BLAKCS OR ILLEGALS IN OUR
> SCHOOL. IF WE REMOVED THEM EVER SCHOOL WOULD BE
> LIKE CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
let's discuss this some more.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Hope our school isn't next
()
Date: July 24, 2011 07:43AM
Clifton definitely got the shaft. Figured since someone wanted to dig up an old to the point post and edit out most of what was being said I would repost the whole thing. This guy has a point, surely much more than just blah blah blah... Also, when you went to school didn't you refer to the school you attended as "your school" or did you call it Fairfax County Public Schools school?
DKHill Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is really sad. For all the "Clifton haters",
> you should realize that we are leading the fight
> against the corrupt self serving school board that
> wrongly closed our school. We have lost our
> community school but are still fighting to make
> sure this school board isn't allowed to
> arbitrarily close the next school. I am not a
> racist and I am not rich. I care about my children
> and when the school board wrongly closes the
> elementary school my children would have attended
> you better believe I am going to fight for it. I
> expect that you would do the same and I hope you
> remember all of this when the FCSB targets your
> school. We have made it very difficult for the
> school board to do to others what they have done
> to us. If another community school is attacked
> like ours has been, I doubt you will find any
> derogatory and hurtful comments coming from anyone
> in Clifton. We are not your enemy. We are your
> neighbors.
DKHill Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is really sad. For all the "Clifton haters",
> you should realize that we are leading the fight
> against the corrupt self serving school board that
> wrongly closed our school. We have lost our
> community school but are still fighting to make
> sure this school board isn't allowed to
> arbitrarily close the next school. I am not a
> racist and I am not rich. I care about my children
> and when the school board wrongly closes the
> elementary school my children would have attended
> you better believe I am going to fight for it. I
> expect that you would do the same and I hope you
> remember all of this when the FCSB targets your
> school. We have made it very difficult for the
> school board to do to others what they have done
> to us. If another community school is attacked
> like ours has been, I doubt you will find any
> derogatory and hurtful comments coming from anyone
> in Clifton. We are not your enemy. We are your
> neighbors.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
johnluke
()
Date: July 24, 2011 07:49AM
!
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Know Nothing
()
Date: July 24, 2011 08:13AM
African decent? or African descent (as in ancestry).
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Taxpayer1
()
Date: July 24, 2011 10:16PM
Hope our school isn't next Wrote:
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> Clifton definitely got the shaft.
Not really, that school wasn't able to grow with the 5 acre lot requirement I'm the area. Huge $$$ savings and their kids will still get a quality education. Win Win
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> Clifton definitely got the shaft.
Not really, that school wasn't able to grow with the 5 acre lot requirement I'm the area. Huge $$$ savings and their kids will still get a quality education. Win Win
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
JBass
()
Date: July 25, 2011 12:03PM
Taxpayer1 Wrote:
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> Hope our school isn't next Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Clifton definitely got the shaft.
>
> Not really, that school wasn't able to grow with
> the 5 acre lot requirement I'm the area.
Please explain what the heck this means. The school didnt need 5 Acres.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hope our school isn't next Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Clifton definitely got the shaft.
>
> Not really, that school wasn't able to grow with
> the 5 acre lot requirement I'm the area.
Please explain what the heck this means. The school didnt need 5 Acres.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
county worker
()
Date: July 26, 2011 03:20AM
JBass Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Taxpayer1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hope our school isn't next Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Clifton definitely got the shaft.
> >
> > Not really, that school wasn't able to grow
> with
> > the 5 acre lot requirement I'm the area.
>
> Please explain what the heck this means. The
> school didnt need 5 Acres.
I think he was reffering to the min lot size to build a home thats on well and septic equals lower population density and less need for local school to serve the few and gets paid for by the rest of us.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Taxpayer1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hope our school isn't next Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Clifton definitely got the shaft.
> >
> > Not really, that school wasn't able to grow
> with
> > the 5 acre lot requirement I'm the area.
>
> Please explain what the heck this means. The
> school didnt need 5 Acres.
I think he was reffering to the min lot size to build a home thats on well and septic equals lower population density and less need for local school to serve the few and gets paid for by the rest of us.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Taxpayer1
()
Date: July 26, 2011 10:05AM
county worker Wrote:
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> JBass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Taxpayer1 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Hope our school isn't next Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Clifton definitely got the shaft.
> > >
> > > Not really, that school wasn't able to grow
> > with
> > > the 5 acre lot requirement I'm the area.
> >
> > Please explain what the heck this means. The
> > school didnt need 5 Acres.
>
>
> I think he was reffering to the min lot size to
> build a home thats on well and septic equals lower
> population density and less need for local school
> to serve the few and gets paid for by the rest of
> us.
yes, exactly.
Plus the place was old and in need of expensive remodeling and repairs. Closing it was a no brainer.
-------------------------------------------------------
> JBass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Taxpayer1 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Hope our school isn't next Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Clifton definitely got the shaft.
> > >
> > > Not really, that school wasn't able to grow
> > with
> > > the 5 acre lot requirement I'm the area.
> >
> > Please explain what the heck this means. The
> > school didnt need 5 Acres.
>
>
> I think he was reffering to the min lot size to
> build a home thats on well and septic equals lower
> population density and less need for local school
> to serve the few and gets paid for by the rest of
> us.
yes, exactly.
Plus the place was old and in need of expensive remodeling and repairs. Closing it was a no brainer.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Taxpayer2
()
Date: July 26, 2011 11:23AM
Taxpayer1 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> yes, exactly.
>
> Plus the place was old and in need of expensive
> remodeling and repairs. Closing it was a no
> brainer.
Exactly. The morons that closed it had no brains.
-------------------------------------------------------
> yes, exactly.
>
> Plus the place was old and in need of expensive
> remodeling and repairs. Closing it was a no
> brainer.
Exactly. The morons that closed it had no brains.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
JBass
()
Date: July 26, 2011 11:24AM
Taxpayer1 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> county worker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JBass Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Taxpayer1 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Hope our school isn't next Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Clifton definitely got the shaft.
> > > >
> > > > Not really, that school wasn't able to grow
> > > with
> > > > the 5 acre lot requirement I'm the area.
> > >
> > > Please explain what the heck this means.
> The
> > > school didnt need 5 Acres.
> >
> >
> > I think he was reffering to the min lot size to
> > build a home thats on well and septic equals
> lower
> > population density and less need for local
> school
> > to serve the few and gets paid for by the rest
> of
> > us.
>
> yes, exactly.
>
> Plus the place was old and in need of expensive
> remodeling and repairs. Closing it was a no
> brainer.
You are not a "Taxpayer" You are a Tax Donor. This is the silliest statement Ive seen out of thousands posted here, what does the lot size have ANYTHING to do with student to teacher ratio, You seem to be implying that the larger properties equates to smaller student to teacher ratios, thus costing the taxpayers more per student. It simply is not true, I could show numbers that make Clifton the most economically sound school in the county if you look at land area served to school budget ratios.
But Im not trying to confuse the issue not skew facts, Please Taxpayer, just work, pay and smile. It will save your brain some trouble.
-------------------------------------------------------
> county worker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JBass Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Taxpayer1 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Hope our school isn't next Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Clifton definitely got the shaft.
> > > >
> > > > Not really, that school wasn't able to grow
> > > with
> > > > the 5 acre lot requirement I'm the area.
> > >
> > > Please explain what the heck this means.
> The
> > > school didnt need 5 Acres.
> >
> >
> > I think he was reffering to the min lot size to
> > build a home thats on well and septic equals
> lower
> > population density and less need for local
> school
> > to serve the few and gets paid for by the rest
> of
> > us.
>
> yes, exactly.
>
> Plus the place was old and in need of expensive
> remodeling and repairs. Closing it was a no
> brainer.
You are not a "Taxpayer" You are a Tax Donor. This is the silliest statement Ive seen out of thousands posted here, what does the lot size have ANYTHING to do with student to teacher ratio, You seem to be implying that the larger properties equates to smaller student to teacher ratios, thus costing the taxpayers more per student. It simply is not true, I could show numbers that make Clifton the most economically sound school in the county if you look at land area served to school budget ratios.
But Im not trying to confuse the issue not skew facts, Please Taxpayer, just work, pay and smile. It will save your brain some trouble.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Funny
()
Date: July 26, 2011 11:30AM
My seven year old son asked why they were closing his elementary school.
I told him it was all Liz Bradshers fault and that she is a moron. ha ha ha
I told him it was all Liz Bradshers fault and that she is a moron. ha ha ha
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
hmmmmm
()
Date: July 26, 2011 06:03PM
Don't worry, your kids will all still be going to University of Virginia and William and Mary even with the closing of Clifton Elementary.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
OMG!
()
Date: July 26, 2011 06:08PM
Get a life people! Enough with the closing of our school.
We have moved on and so should you!
We have moved on and so should you!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Joan
()
Date: July 26, 2011 06:11PM
hmmmmm Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Don't worry, your kids will all still be going to
> University of Virginia and William and Mary even
> with the closing of Clifton Elementary.
My 8 year old son keeps crying when I tell him the new things he would have to deal with in his new school.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Don't worry, your kids will all still be going to
> University of Virginia and William and Mary even
> with the closing of Clifton Elementary.
My 8 year old son keeps crying when I tell him the new things he would have to deal with in his new school.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Go private
()
Date: July 26, 2011 06:13PM
FCPS is going down the tubes.
I would not trust them with my dog.
You only have one chance for a good education. FCPS suck ass.
I would not trust them with my dog.
You only have one chance for a good education. FCPS suck ass.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
How many kids went to Clifton?
()
Date: July 26, 2011 06:22PM
I heard it was over 400. I feel sorry for all these kids being moved to four other schools.
Shame on FCPS!
Shame on FCPS!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Bemused
()
Date: July 27, 2011 11:02AM
Here's a recent press release from FCPS:
"Crouch School Scheduled to Move August 11
The one-room Crouch School, which was used to educate students in the Clifton area of Fairfax County from 1874 until the 1920s, will be moved from its current location at the corner of Union Mill and Compton Roads to the campus of Liberty Middle School. The target date for the move is Thursday, August 11.
Once it is moved to the Liberty site, the school will be used as a teaching museum to support elementary and middle school instruction by helping provide a “day in the life” experience of what school was like in the late 1800s.
Several contracting companies are donating part of their services to accomplish the move. Beginning Monday, July 25, a local carpentry company is removing the vinyl siding and additions and inserting structural bracing to secure the building during the move. The doors, windows, and stones from the foundation will be removed and salvaged. Once the structure has been moved, it will be set on a poured foundation slab and restored to its appearance as a one-room schoolhouse. New steps, a ramp, and access for people with physical disabilities will be provided, as well as electricity, heating, ventilation, and air conditioning, and other amenities. There will not be water at the site.
The Committee to Save Crouch School, a group of community members, was established in September 2006. A partner relationship was formed between Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) and the committee afterwards to move and restore the school. FCPS donated land on the grounds of Liberty Middle for the relocation of the old schoolhouse. The committee has raised $105,000 to date and has been the driving force in the effort to save and restore the building. The Providence Chapter of the Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) chose the school as its project and, since 2009, has been accepting donations to fund the move, restoration, maintenance, and operation of the school as a teaching museum. No FCPS funds are planned to be used for this project.
The Crouch School served FCPS students for almost 50 years. The Crouch family purchased the building back from the school system for $125 at auction in 1925. Thomas and Janey Nodeen own the land on which the Crouch School is located and have donated the building to FCPS.
The school’s existing sign and deed will be preserved along with the building itself.
More information can be found at http://savecrouchschool.org/home.htm."
Maybe they should move Clifton Elementary to Liberty as well, so future generations can get a "day in the life" experience on what it was like to get an education at a local community school before Liz Bradsher made a hash of things.
"Crouch School Scheduled to Move August 11
The one-room Crouch School, which was used to educate students in the Clifton area of Fairfax County from 1874 until the 1920s, will be moved from its current location at the corner of Union Mill and Compton Roads to the campus of Liberty Middle School. The target date for the move is Thursday, August 11.
Once it is moved to the Liberty site, the school will be used as a teaching museum to support elementary and middle school instruction by helping provide a “day in the life” experience of what school was like in the late 1800s.
Several contracting companies are donating part of their services to accomplish the move. Beginning Monday, July 25, a local carpentry company is removing the vinyl siding and additions and inserting structural bracing to secure the building during the move. The doors, windows, and stones from the foundation will be removed and salvaged. Once the structure has been moved, it will be set on a poured foundation slab and restored to its appearance as a one-room schoolhouse. New steps, a ramp, and access for people with physical disabilities will be provided, as well as electricity, heating, ventilation, and air conditioning, and other amenities. There will not be water at the site.
The Committee to Save Crouch School, a group of community members, was established in September 2006. A partner relationship was formed between Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) and the committee afterwards to move and restore the school. FCPS donated land on the grounds of Liberty Middle for the relocation of the old schoolhouse. The committee has raised $105,000 to date and has been the driving force in the effort to save and restore the building. The Providence Chapter of the Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) chose the school as its project and, since 2009, has been accepting donations to fund the move, restoration, maintenance, and operation of the school as a teaching museum. No FCPS funds are planned to be used for this project.
The Crouch School served FCPS students for almost 50 years. The Crouch family purchased the building back from the school system for $125 at auction in 1925. Thomas and Janey Nodeen own the land on which the Crouch School is located and have donated the building to FCPS.
The school’s existing sign and deed will be preserved along with the building itself.
More information can be found at http://savecrouchschool.org/home.htm."
Maybe they should move Clifton Elementary to Liberty as well, so future generations can get a "day in the life" experience on what it was like to get an education at a local community school before Liz Bradsher made a hash of things.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
confused
()
Date: July 27, 2011 11:13AM
Why even spend one dime on this.
No one cares!
No one cares!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
OMG No
()
Date: July 27, 2011 01:49PM
OMG! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Get a life people! Enough with the closing of our
> school.
>
> We have moved on and so should you!
Obviously the community has not moved on by the number of new posts on this topic.
Perhaps you have, which is one person, or maybe a single family.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Get a life people! Enough with the closing of our
> school.
>
> We have moved on and so should you!
Obviously the community has not moved on by the number of new posts on this topic.
Perhaps you have, which is one person, or maybe a single family.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
well?
()
Date: August 05, 2011 01:09PM
Is Clifton ES still closed?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
karma
()
Date: August 06, 2011 05:10PM
How ironic that S&P has downgraded US treasury bonds which may affect FFX CO bond rating (sooner or later). The money that we need to borrow to renovate West Springfield (which got elevated on the renovation queue due to Clifton's closing) may now come at a higher price. Let's see how people feel about that bond referendum this time around (next election). The "borrowing environment" may not be all that it was in the past. This could be very sad for West Springfield.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
I vote No
()
Date: August 06, 2011 05:17PM
I will vote NO on any bonds for the FCPS.
They waste so much money on stupid shit. Enough already!
They waste so much money on stupid shit. Enough already!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
meth
()
Date: August 06, 2011 05:41PM
rumour round here is that they are turnin it into a halfway house of some sort for drug users. Miighty kind of them folks
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
fo
()
Date: August 06, 2011 09:56PM
karma Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> How ironic that S&P has downgraded US treasury
> bonds which may affect FFX CO bond rating (sooner
> or later). The money that we need to borrow to
> renovate West Springfield (which got elevated on
> the renovation queue due to Clifton's closing) may
> now come at a higher price. Let's see how people
> feel about that bond referendum this time around
> (next election). The "borrowing environment" may
> not be all that it was in the past. This could be
> very sad for West Springfield.
Why does anybody listen to S&P or Moody's?
They gave AAA ratings to securities backed by half million dollar mortgages taken out by McDonald's burger flippers.
Fuck them, they have zero credibility.
-------------------------------------------------------
> How ironic that S&P has downgraded US treasury
> bonds which may affect FFX CO bond rating (sooner
> or later). The money that we need to borrow to
> renovate West Springfield (which got elevated on
> the renovation queue due to Clifton's closing) may
> now come at a higher price. Let's see how people
> feel about that bond referendum this time around
> (next election). The "borrowing environment" may
> not be all that it was in the past. This could be
> very sad for West Springfield.
Why does anybody listen to S&P or Moody's?
They gave AAA ratings to securities backed by half million dollar mortgages taken out by McDonald's burger flippers.
Fuck them, they have zero credibility.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
isabelle
()
Date: September 02, 2011 07:50PM
now that my school is closing [im a student there] i just want to say that liz is such a @#$!% i really cant say how mad i aqm at her!she closed my school. she betrade us and i cant stop thinking about my school by closing my scholl she ganes NOTHING what she does gane is
.1 teachers losing their jobs
.2 she riped apart familys and friends
.3 she lost my respect how about yours?
now she is saying that we sould suck it up but i aint sucking anything plus make sure you ask yourself this question "what if this was happening to me"?
.1 teachers losing their jobs
.2 she riped apart familys and friends
.3 she lost my respect how about yours?
now she is saying that we sould suck it up but i aint sucking anything plus make sure you ask yourself this question "what if this was happening to me"?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
traffic
()
Date: September 03, 2011 01:04PM
Liz Bradsher is a snake. She didn't represent the people who voted for her but turned on them instead just for her own self-interests. Thank goodness she isn't running for office again. She has hurt a lot of people and cost taxpayers a lot of money. Fairview is overcrowded now and during the Open House there was no place for all of the people to park. A lot of parents with their children were parking and walking down Ox Road with cars flying by. If a child ever gets hurt on that road due to this overcrowded situation that Liz Bradsher has caused, it is Liz Bradsher's fault.
Can't wait for election day so we can vote for Elizabeth Schultz. She is going to be a breath of fresh air after the nightmares Liz Bradsher has caused.
Can't wait for election day so we can vote for Elizabeth Schultz. She is going to be a breath of fresh air after the nightmares Liz Bradsher has caused.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
overcrowded
()
Date: September 03, 2011 01:43PM
traffic Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz Bradsher is a snake. She didn't represent
> the people who voted for her but turned on them
> instead just for her own self-interests. Thank
> goodness she isn't running for office again. She
> has hurt a lot of people and cost taxpayers a lot
> of money. Fairview is overcrowded now and during
> the Open House there was no place for all of the
> people to park. A lot of parents with their
> children were parking and walking down Ox Road
> with cars flying by. If a child ever gets hurt
> on that road due to this overcrowded situation
> that Liz Bradsher has caused, it is Liz Bradsher's
> fault.
>
> Can't wait for election day so we can vote for
> Elizabeth Schultz. She is going to be a breath
> of fresh air after the nightmares Liz Bradsher has
> caused.
The overcrowding at Fairview now isn't just causing a safety problem for the kids on Ox Road, the parking lot was so full that it is doubtful that a Fire Truck or other emergency vehicle would have even have been able to get into that lot if they needed too.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz Bradsher is a snake. She didn't represent
> the people who voted for her but turned on them
> instead just for her own self-interests. Thank
> goodness she isn't running for office again. She
> has hurt a lot of people and cost taxpayers a lot
> of money. Fairview is overcrowded now and during
> the Open House there was no place for all of the
> people to park. A lot of parents with their
> children were parking and walking down Ox Road
> with cars flying by. If a child ever gets hurt
> on that road due to this overcrowded situation
> that Liz Bradsher has caused, it is Liz Bradsher's
> fault.
>
> Can't wait for election day so we can vote for
> Elizabeth Schultz. She is going to be a breath
> of fresh air after the nightmares Liz Bradsher has
> caused.
The overcrowding at Fairview now isn't just causing a safety problem for the kids on Ox Road, the parking lot was so full that it is doubtful that a Fire Truck or other emergency vehicle would have even have been able to get into that lot if they needed too.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: September 03, 2011 02:19PM
isabelle Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> now that my school is closing i just want to say
> that liz is such a @#$!% i really cant say how mad
> i aqm at her!she closed my school. she betrade us
> and i cant stop thinking about my school by
> closing my scholl she ganes NOTHING what she does
> gane is
>
> .1 teachers losing their jobs
>
> .2 she riped apart familys and friends
>
> .3 she lost my respect how about yours?
> now she is saying that we sould suck it up but i
> aint sucking anything plus make sure you ask
> yourself this question "what if this was
> happening to me"?
How old are you? The grammatical and spelling errors of your post indicate that closing Clifton Elementary was probably the right move.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
-------------------------------------------------------
> now that my school is closing i just want to say
> that liz is such a @#$!% i really cant say how mad
> i aqm at her!she closed my school. she betrade us
> and i cant stop thinking about my school by
> closing my scholl she ganes NOTHING what she does
> gane is
>
> .1 teachers losing their jobs
>
> .2 she riped apart familys and friends
>
> .3 she lost my respect how about yours?
> now she is saying that we sould suck it up but i
> aint sucking anything plus make sure you ask
> yourself this question "what if this was
> happening to me"?
How old are you? The grammatical and spelling errors of your post indicate that closing Clifton Elementary was probably the right move.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Shadow
()
Date: September 03, 2011 02:27PM
traffic Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz Bradsher is a snake. She didn't represent
> the people who voted for her but turned on them
> instead just for her own self-interests. Thank
> goodness she isn't running for office again. She
> has hurt a lot of people and cost taxpayers a lot
> of money. Fairview is overcrowded now and during
> the Open House there was no place for all of the
> people to park. A lot of parents with their
> children were parking and walking down Ox Road
> with cars flying by. If a child ever gets hurt
> on that road due to this overcrowded situation
> that Liz Bradsher has caused, it is Liz Bradsher's
> fault.
>
> Can't wait for election day so we can vote for
> Elizabeth Schultz. She is going to be a breath
> of fresh air after the nightmares Liz Bradsher has
> caused.
This is a problem for almost every school, elementary through high, when they have an event that's for the entire school. Ever try going past one of the high schools on Back to school night? Yeah, no parking, people walking on the main roads around it. Talk to the school's principal about splitting events in two. Have K-3 open house/etc at one time and 4-6 at another. This really isn't that hard, and going on and on about how Liz Bradsher caused all your problems makes you sound like a whiney brat. It's over. Clifton lost. Get on with your life.
If you really don't like it move.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz Bradsher is a snake. She didn't represent
> the people who voted for her but turned on them
> instead just for her own self-interests. Thank
> goodness she isn't running for office again. She
> has hurt a lot of people and cost taxpayers a lot
> of money. Fairview is overcrowded now and during
> the Open House there was no place for all of the
> people to park. A lot of parents with their
> children were parking and walking down Ox Road
> with cars flying by. If a child ever gets hurt
> on that road due to this overcrowded situation
> that Liz Bradsher has caused, it is Liz Bradsher's
> fault.
>
> Can't wait for election day so we can vote for
> Elizabeth Schultz. She is going to be a breath
> of fresh air after the nightmares Liz Bradsher has
> caused.
This is a problem for almost every school, elementary through high, when they have an event that's for the entire school. Ever try going past one of the high schools on Back to school night? Yeah, no parking, people walking on the main roads around it. Talk to the school's principal about splitting events in two. Have K-3 open house/etc at one time and 4-6 at another. This really isn't that hard, and going on and on about how Liz Bradsher caused all your problems makes you sound like a whiney brat. It's over. Clifton lost. Get on with your life.
If you really don't like it move.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
traffic
()
Date: September 03, 2011 03:42PM
Shadow Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> traffic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Liz Bradsher is a snake. She didn't represent
> > the people who voted for her but turned on them
> > instead just for her own self-interests.
> Thank
> > goodness she isn't running for office again.
> She
> > has hurt a lot of people and cost taxpayers a
> lot
> > of money. Fairview is overcrowded now and
> during
> > the Open House there was no place for all of
> the
> > people to park. A lot of parents with their
> > children were parking and walking down Ox Road
> > with cars flying by. If a child ever gets
> hurt
> > on that road due to this overcrowded situation
> > that Liz Bradsher has caused, it is Liz
> Bradsher's
> > fault.
> >
> > Can't wait for election day so we can vote for
> > Elizabeth Schultz. She is going to be a
> breath
> > of fresh air after the nightmares Liz Bradsher
> has
> > caused.
>
>
> This is a problem for almost every school,
> elementary through high, when they have an event
> that's for the entire school. Ever try going past
> one of the high schools on Back to school night?
> Yeah, no parking, people walking on the main roads
> around it. Talk to the school's principal about
> splitting events in two. Have K-3 open house/etc
> at one time and 4-6 at another. This really isn't
> that hard, and going on and on about how Liz
> Bradsher caused all your problems makes you sound
> like a whiney brat. It's over. Clifton lost. Get
> on with your life.
>
> If you really don't like it move.
So your logic follows that because a dangerous condition may exist in multiple places, that makes it okay? Have you ever thought about making the people that are in charge of 54% of the County budget (your tax dollars) actually accountable for anything? It doesn't sound like you do. If multiple students start failing, why don't we just give them a pass too? It sounds like you have no standards for quality/safety and don't care about accountability either.
-------------------------------------------------------
> traffic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Liz Bradsher is a snake. She didn't represent
> > the people who voted for her but turned on them
> > instead just for her own self-interests.
> Thank
> > goodness she isn't running for office again.
> She
> > has hurt a lot of people and cost taxpayers a
> lot
> > of money. Fairview is overcrowded now and
> during
> > the Open House there was no place for all of
> the
> > people to park. A lot of parents with their
> > children were parking and walking down Ox Road
> > with cars flying by. If a child ever gets
> hurt
> > on that road due to this overcrowded situation
> > that Liz Bradsher has caused, it is Liz
> Bradsher's
> > fault.
> >
> > Can't wait for election day so we can vote for
> > Elizabeth Schultz. She is going to be a
> breath
> > of fresh air after the nightmares Liz Bradsher
> has
> > caused.
>
>
> This is a problem for almost every school,
> elementary through high, when they have an event
> that's for the entire school. Ever try going past
> one of the high schools on Back to school night?
> Yeah, no parking, people walking on the main roads
> around it. Talk to the school's principal about
> splitting events in two. Have K-3 open house/etc
> at one time and 4-6 at another. This really isn't
> that hard, and going on and on about how Liz
> Bradsher caused all your problems makes you sound
> like a whiney brat. It's over. Clifton lost. Get
> on with your life.
>
> If you really don't like it move.
So your logic follows that because a dangerous condition may exist in multiple places, that makes it okay? Have you ever thought about making the people that are in charge of 54% of the County budget (your tax dollars) actually accountable for anything? It doesn't sound like you do. If multiple students start failing, why don't we just give them a pass too? It sounds like you have no standards for quality/safety and don't care about accountability either.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Shadow
()
Date: September 03, 2011 04:09PM
traffic Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Shadow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > traffic Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Liz Bradsher is a snake. She didn't
> represent
> > > the people who voted for her but turned on
> them
> > > instead just for her own self-interests.
> > Thank
> > > goodness she isn't running for office again.
>
> > She
> > > has hurt a lot of people and cost taxpayers a
> > lot
> > > of money. Fairview is overcrowded now and
> > during
> > > the Open House there was no place for all of
> > the
> > > people to park. A lot of parents with their
> > > children were parking and walking down Ox
> Road
> > > with cars flying by. If a child ever gets
> > hurt
> > > on that road due to this overcrowded
> situation
> > > that Liz Bradsher has caused, it is Liz
> > Bradsher's
> > > fault.
> > >
> > > Can't wait for election day so we can vote
> for
> > > Elizabeth Schultz. She is going to be a
> > breath
> > > of fresh air after the nightmares Liz
> Bradsher
> > has
> > > caused.
> >
> >
> > This is a problem for almost every school,
> > elementary through high, when they have an
> event
> > that's for the entire school. Ever try going
> past
> > one of the high schools on Back to school night?
>
> > Yeah, no parking, people walking on the main
> roads
> > around it. Talk to the school's principal
> about
> > splitting events in two. Have K-3 open
> house/etc
> > at one time and 4-6 at another. This really
> isn't
> > that hard, and going on and on about how Liz
> > Bradsher caused all your problems makes you
> sound
> > like a whiney brat. It's over. Clifton lost.
> Get
> > on with your life.
> >
> > If you really don't like it move.
>
>
> So your logic follows that because a dangerous
> condition may exist in multiple places, that makes
> it okay? Have you ever thought about making the
> people that are in charge of 54% of the County
> budget (your tax dollars) actually accountable for
> anything? It doesn't sound like you do. If
> multiple students start failing, why don't we just
> give them a pass too? It sounds like you have no
> standards for quality/safety and don't care about
> accountability either.
Clearly your reading comprehension is lacking. The section I put in bold gives a solution to the problem. And personally, I have spoken with my school's administrations and that's why my son's elementary school's open house was split. But, like everything in this area, there is a certain amount of bureaucratic red tape, and not all the schools I've dealt with have been as easily changed.
And while you may come on here and bitch and gripe about a problem that is long past its prime (Clifton ES) I prefer to exercise my civic duties more proactively and address the local school administrations and get involved more directly.
I really enjoy Fairfax Underground, and it can be a good place to vent about things that occur that one doesn't like, but really, the School Board voted to close Clifton. The courts have so far upheld that decision, and while I personally might have preferred the school remain open. It isn't. Get over it.
If you want to make a difference, go work on Bradsher's replacement's campaign. I'm sure they would be glad for the help.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Shadow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > traffic Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Liz Bradsher is a snake. She didn't
> represent
> > > the people who voted for her but turned on
> them
> > > instead just for her own self-interests.
> > Thank
> > > goodness she isn't running for office again.
>
> > She
> > > has hurt a lot of people and cost taxpayers a
> > lot
> > > of money. Fairview is overcrowded now and
> > during
> > > the Open House there was no place for all of
> > the
> > > people to park. A lot of parents with their
> > > children were parking and walking down Ox
> Road
> > > with cars flying by. If a child ever gets
> > hurt
> > > on that road due to this overcrowded
> situation
> > > that Liz Bradsher has caused, it is Liz
> > Bradsher's
> > > fault.
> > >
> > > Can't wait for election day so we can vote
> for
> > > Elizabeth Schultz. She is going to be a
> > breath
> > > of fresh air after the nightmares Liz
> Bradsher
> > has
> > > caused.
> >
> >
> > This is a problem for almost every school,
> > elementary through high, when they have an
> event
> > that's for the entire school. Ever try going
> past
> > one of the high schools on Back to school night?
>
> > Yeah, no parking, people walking on the main
> roads
> > around it. Talk to the school's principal
> about
> > splitting events in two. Have K-3 open
> house/etc
> > at one time and 4-6 at another. This really
> isn't
> > that hard, and going on and on about how Liz
> > Bradsher caused all your problems makes you
> sound
> > like a whiney brat. It's over. Clifton lost.
> Get
> > on with your life.
> >
> > If you really don't like it move.
>
>
> So your logic follows that because a dangerous
> condition may exist in multiple places, that makes
> it okay? Have you ever thought about making the
> people that are in charge of 54% of the County
> budget (your tax dollars) actually accountable for
> anything? It doesn't sound like you do. If
> multiple students start failing, why don't we just
> give them a pass too? It sounds like you have no
> standards for quality/safety and don't care about
> accountability either.
Clearly your reading comprehension is lacking. The section I put in bold gives a solution to the problem. And personally, I have spoken with my school's administrations and that's why my son's elementary school's open house was split. But, like everything in this area, there is a certain amount of bureaucratic red tape, and not all the schools I've dealt with have been as easily changed.
And while you may come on here and bitch and gripe about a problem that is long past its prime (Clifton ES) I prefer to exercise my civic duties more proactively and address the local school administrations and get involved more directly.
I really enjoy Fairfax Underground, and it can be a good place to vent about things that occur that one doesn't like, but really, the School Board voted to close Clifton. The courts have so far upheld that decision, and while I personally might have preferred the school remain open. It isn't. Get over it.
If you want to make a difference, go work on Bradsher's replacement's campaign. I'm sure they would be glad for the help.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Too bad
()
Date: September 03, 2011 04:27PM
It's a shame Liz isn't running, she'd probably win, thus causing multiple heads to explode in Clifton.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Gen braddock
()
Date: September 04, 2011 08:03AM
isabelle Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> now that my school is closing i just want to say
> that liz is such a @#$!% i really cant say how mad
> i aqm at her!she closed my school. she betrade us
> and i cant stop thinking about my school by
> closing my scholl she ganes NOTHING what she does
> gane is
>
> .1 teachers losing their jobs
>
> .2 she riped apart familys and friends
>
> .3 she lost my respect how about yours?
> now she is saying that we sould suck it up but i
> aint sucking anything plus make sure you ask
> yourself this question "what if this was
> happening to me"?
I have respect for Liz because she followed through with the closing of CES because it was the right thing to do despite the opinions of a very vocal miniority.
You should be thankfull for the education you are getting, dont waste your time being bitter about things beyond your control. You have a great future ahead of you.
-------------------------------------------------------
> now that my school is closing i just want to say
> that liz is such a @#$!% i really cant say how mad
> i aqm at her!she closed my school. she betrade us
> and i cant stop thinking about my school by
> closing my scholl she ganes NOTHING what she does
> gane is
>
> .1 teachers losing their jobs
>
> .2 she riped apart familys and friends
>
> .3 she lost my respect how about yours?
> now she is saying that we sould suck it up but i
> aint sucking anything plus make sure you ask
> yourself this question "what if this was
> happening to me"?
I have respect for Liz because she followed through with the closing of CES because it was the right thing to do despite the opinions of a very vocal miniority.
You should be thankfull for the education you are getting, dont waste your time being bitter about things beyond your control. You have a great future ahead of you.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
BDS
()
Date: September 04, 2011 08:30AM
Too bad Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It's a shame Liz isn't running, she'd probably
> win, thus causing multiple heads to explode in
> Clifton.
Well, she's not. And Kathy Smith can kiss her board seat goodbye. She's hosed multiple schools with the trickle down from this decision. I wonder if Liz and the other 6 members who are running away think it was worth it. Moon is going down too for this and he didn't even vote for it because he saw the writing on the wall. New school board here we come.
Clifton reopens as a charter school and it's back to the way it was within a year. What a waste of time, money and emotions.
-------------------------------------------------------
> It's a shame Liz isn't running, she'd probably
> win, thus causing multiple heads to explode in
> Clifton.
Well, she's not. And Kathy Smith can kiss her board seat goodbye. She's hosed multiple schools with the trickle down from this decision. I wonder if Liz and the other 6 members who are running away think it was worth it. Moon is going down too for this and he didn't even vote for it because he saw the writing on the wall. New school board here we come.
Clifton reopens as a charter school and it's back to the way it was within a year. What a waste of time, money and emotions.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
curious?
()
Date: September 06, 2011 09:43PM
I'm curious, with the first day of class over, did the kids from Clifton end up in now-overcrowded schools? What's it like being a Clifton refugee? Do the other kids point and stare?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
It was awful!
()
Date: September 06, 2011 10:14PM
curious? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm curious, with the first day of class over, did
> the kids from Clifton end up in now-overcrowded
> schools? What's it like being a Clifton refugee?
> Do the other kids point and stare?
I drove my daughter to school. It is too far for her to ride a bus! I counted two Chevys and three Fords in the kiss and ride line. There was a Hyundai and I believe even a Kia two vehicles behind mine!
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm curious, with the first day of class over, did
> the kids from Clifton end up in now-overcrowded
> schools? What's it like being a Clifton refugee?
> Do the other kids point and stare?
I drove my daughter to school. It is too far for her to ride a bus! I counted two Chevys and three Fords in the kiss and ride line. There was a Hyundai and I believe even a Kia two vehicles behind mine!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
curious?
()
Date: September 06, 2011 10:19PM
It was awful! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> curious? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm curious, with the first day of class over,
> did
> > the kids from Clifton end up in now-overcrowded
> > schools? What's it like being a Clifton
> refugee?
> > Do the other kids point and stare?
>
> I drove my daughter to school. It is too far for
> her to ride a bus! I counted two Chevys and three
> Fords in the kiss and ride line. There was a
> Hyundai and I believe even a Kia two vehicles
> behind mine!
Were there, you know [lowers voice]...minorities? I hear it's so....worldly...at the new schools.
-------------------------------------------------------
> curious? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm curious, with the first day of class over,
> did
> > the kids from Clifton end up in now-overcrowded
> > schools? What's it like being a Clifton
> refugee?
> > Do the other kids point and stare?
>
> I drove my daughter to school. It is too far for
> her to ride a bus! I counted two Chevys and three
> Fords in the kiss and ride line. There was a
> Hyundai and I believe even a Kia two vehicles
> behind mine!
Were there, you know [lowers voice]...minorities? I hear it's so....worldly...at the new schools.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Soccer dad
()
Date: September 06, 2011 10:31PM
curious? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm curious, with the first day of class over, did
> the kids from Clifton end up in now-overcrowded
> schools? What's it like being a Clifton refugee?
> Do the other kids point and stare?
GREAT! My kids are 6th graders, and 5th graders at Fairview Elementary school now.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm curious, with the first day of class over, did
> the kids from Clifton end up in now-overcrowded
> schools? What's it like being a Clifton refugee?
> Do the other kids point and stare?
GREAT! My kids are 6th graders, and 5th graders at Fairview Elementary school now.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: September 07, 2011 06:54AM
curious? Wrote:
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> I'm curious, with the first day of class over, did
> the kids from Clifton end up in now-overcrowded
> schools? What's it like being a Clifton refugee?
> Do the other kids point and stare?
School-wise it sounded like all was OK. Transportation-wise things were very screwed up. About 20 Fairview students were not on their buses heading home and had to be picked up by parents. A number of students were never picked up on the way to school. And a couple of buses actually used the Clifton Elementary parking lot as turnarounds for their routes. Nothing like taking the children to their old school and then to their new school.
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> I'm curious, with the first day of class over, did
> the kids from Clifton end up in now-overcrowded
> schools? What's it like being a Clifton refugee?
> Do the other kids point and stare?
School-wise it sounded like all was OK. Transportation-wise things were very screwed up. About 20 Fairview students were not on their buses heading home and had to be picked up by parents. A number of students were never picked up on the way to school. And a couple of buses actually used the Clifton Elementary parking lot as turnarounds for their routes. Nothing like taking the children to their old school and then to their new school.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
logicaldog
()
Date: September 07, 2011 07:18AM
Wow there are some snide and ignorant posters on this cite. You sound jealous of Clifton parents, I usually advocate for the middle class, but you just hate Clifton parents because they live in a nicer place than you. That's a crappy reason and most places that are nice have an adjacent school to go with them. (Oakton, McLean). It is better to have a small school-the middle and high school for Clifton is a Huge secondary big box school that rates low on the challenge index.Maybe that will make you feel better.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
dalrhren
()
Date: September 07, 2011 08:14AM
BDS Wrote:
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> Too bad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's a shame Liz isn't running, she'd probably
> > win, thus causing multiple heads to explode in
> > Clifton.
>
>
> Well, she's not. And Kathy Smith can kiss her
> board seat goodbye. She's hosed multiple schools
> with the trickle down from this decision. I
> wonder if Liz and the other 6 members who are
> running away think it was worth it. Moon is going
> down too for this and he didn't even vote for it
> because he saw the writing on the wall. New
> school board here we come.
>
> Clifton reopens as a charter school and it's back
> to the way it was within a year. What a waste of
> time, money and emotions.
Dont we wish people cared as much about how our national leaders are running, or not running the whole country?
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> Too bad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's a shame Liz isn't running, she'd probably
> > win, thus causing multiple heads to explode in
> > Clifton.
>
>
> Well, she's not. And Kathy Smith can kiss her
> board seat goodbye. She's hosed multiple schools
> with the trickle down from this decision. I
> wonder if Liz and the other 6 members who are
> running away think it was worth it. Moon is going
> down too for this and he didn't even vote for it
> because he saw the writing on the wall. New
> school board here we come.
>
> Clifton reopens as a charter school and it's back
> to the way it was within a year. What a waste of
> time, money and emotions.
Dont we wish people cared as much about how our national leaders are running, or not running the whole country?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
realist
()
Date: September 16, 2011 02:31PM
Shadow Wrote:
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> traffic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Liz Bradsher is a snake. She didn't represent
> > the people who voted for her but turned on them
> > instead just for her own self-interests.
> Thank
> > goodness she isn't running for office again.
> She
> > has hurt a lot of people and cost taxpayers a
> lot
> > of money. Fairview is overcrowded now and
> during
> > the Open House there was no place for all of
> the
> > people to park. A lot of parents with their
> > children were parking and walking down Ox Road
> > with cars flying by. If a child ever gets
> hurt
> > on that road due to this overcrowded situation
> > that Liz Bradsher has caused, it is Liz
> Bradsher's
> > fault.
> >
> > Can't wait for election day so we can vote for
> > Elizabeth Schultz. She is going to be a
> breath
> > of fresh air after the nightmares Liz Bradsher
> has
> > caused.
>
>
> This is a problem for almost every school,
> elementary through high, when they have an event
> that's for the entire school. Ever try going past
> one of the high schools on Back to school night?
> Yeah, no parking, people walking on the main roads
> around it. Talk to the school's principal about
> splitting events in two. Have K-3 open house/etc
> at one time and 4-6 at another. This really isn't
> that hard, and going on and on about how Liz
> Bradsher caused all your problems makes you sound
> like a whiney brat. It's over. Clifton lost. Get
> on with your life.
>
> If you really don't like it move.
So glad this worked for your school---you are such a great problem solver! If only Fairview had thought of that!! Oh, wait, they DID. Fairview broke up their back-to-school nights as you described. People still had to park on rt. 123 and Burke Centre Parkway, and police had to direct traffic.
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> traffic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Liz Bradsher is a snake. She didn't represent
> > the people who voted for her but turned on them
> > instead just for her own self-interests.
> Thank
> > goodness she isn't running for office again.
> She
> > has hurt a lot of people and cost taxpayers a
> lot
> > of money. Fairview is overcrowded now and
> during
> > the Open House there was no place for all of
> the
> > people to park. A lot of parents with their
> > children were parking and walking down Ox Road
> > with cars flying by. If a child ever gets
> hurt
> > on that road due to this overcrowded situation
> > that Liz Bradsher has caused, it is Liz
> Bradsher's
> > fault.
> >
> > Can't wait for election day so we can vote for
> > Elizabeth Schultz. She is going to be a
> breath
> > of fresh air after the nightmares Liz Bradsher
> has
> > caused.
>
>
> This is a problem for almost every school,
> elementary through high, when they have an event
> that's for the entire school. Ever try going past
> one of the high schools on Back to school night?
> Yeah, no parking, people walking on the main roads
> around it. Talk to the school's principal about
> splitting events in two. Have K-3 open house/etc
> at one time and 4-6 at another. This really isn't
> that hard, and going on and on about how Liz
> Bradsher caused all your problems makes you sound
> like a whiney brat. It's over. Clifton lost. Get
> on with your life.
>
> If you really don't like it move.
So glad this worked for your school---you are such a great problem solver! If only Fairview had thought of that!! Oh, wait, they DID. Fairview broke up their back-to-school nights as you described. People still had to park on rt. 123 and Burke Centre Parkway, and police had to direct traffic.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
glad
()
Date: September 16, 2011 05:14PM
Ms.Miler is very nice Principal and her vp is very nice as well. I'm very glad that they are working together at Kenne Mill Elementary
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Truth!!
()
Date: September 16, 2011 10:03PM
logicaldog Wrote:
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>but you
> just hate Clifton parents because they live in a
> nicer place than you.
Actually, that's not true. I don't hate Clifton parents, only their actions on smearing the school board, filing frivolous lawsuits, and their endless whining on this board about their school closing.
My neighborhood is also much nicer than Clifton.
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>but you
> just hate Clifton parents because they live in a
> nicer place than you.
Actually, that's not true. I don't hate Clifton parents, only their actions on smearing the school board, filing frivolous lawsuits, and their endless whining on this board about their school closing.
My neighborhood is also much nicer than Clifton.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Klifton
()
Date: September 16, 2011 10:07PM
Is there any chance a new school board will reopen Clifton ES? Or do they have to wait for Czar Tisdadt to retire first?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Divide is there
()
Date: September 17, 2011 11:44AM
People who think that lack of diversity in a school breeds racism are very misinformed. You will find plenty of racism (and possibly more) in those "diverse" schools you speak of. Those of you who believe that the Clifton kids will suffer are misinformed. You will find that most people are largely products of their family life and parents' income/educational level and stability. That has not changed for the Clifton people. The majority of the Clifton parents and kids will do fine no matter where they go (within reason and the new schools are definitely within reason---we're not talking about shipping people from the upper echelons into the ghettos of America). People on this forum make way too much out of Clifton (as has been pointed out it ain't McLean/Langley). Anybody in America who has real money sends their kids to private schools (and there may be some in Clifton who do that, but we are not talking about those kids when we talk about the 400 who were at the Clifton Elementary School). Most people in this area who do private schools live closer to the District or Alexandria/Arlington areas where they have easier access to the best privates. Diversity in Fairfax County is mostly immigrants who are striving and working hard (why do people make it sound so dire?). The schools in Fairfax are pretty good. What the Clifton people are upset about is the division of their community--sending the kids to 4 different schools---which is a valid argument. Most people in America value a sense of community and their schools (especially at the elementary level) are part of that. It is getting harder and harder to create geographic community in America. Our kids will find their communities online in the future for better or for worse. There will continue to be housing enclaves based on income (of course---who wants to live in a crime ridden area?)---but school and other activities will not be as much of a "glue" as people will be less likely to know their neighbors---which may not be so great in times of disaster---but that's how it's going to be---everyone on their cell phones or Facebook or whatever. This is the new America.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
dell ave.
()
Date: September 17, 2011 08:45PM
curious? Wrote:
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> I'm curious, with the first day of class over, did
> the kids from Clifton end up in now-overcrowded
> schools? What's it like being a Clifton refugee?
> Do the other kids point and stare?
Sure, the Clifton kids will have it rough for a few months but this is good for them in the long run.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm curious, with the first day of class over, did
> the kids from Clifton end up in now-overcrowded
> schools? What's it like being a Clifton refugee?
> Do the other kids point and stare?
Sure, the Clifton kids will have it rough for a few months but this is good for them in the long run.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Simple question
()
Date: September 17, 2011 09:25PM
dell ave. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> curious? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm curious, with the first day of class over,
> did
> > the kids from Clifton end up in now-overcrowded
> > schools? What's it like being a Clifton
> refugee?
> > Do the other kids point and stare?
>
>
> Sure, the Clifton kids will have it rough for a
> few months but this is good for them in the long
> run.
Why?
-------------------------------------------------------
> curious? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm curious, with the first day of class over,
> did
> > the kids from Clifton end up in now-overcrowded
> > schools? What's it like being a Clifton
> refugee?
> > Do the other kids point and stare?
>
>
> Sure, the Clifton kids will have it rough for a
> few months but this is good for them in the long
> run.
Why?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
The truth!
()
Date: September 18, 2011 03:47PM
Divide is there Wrote:
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tl;dr
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tl;dr
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
The truth!
()
Date: September 18, 2011 03:48PM
Klifton Wrote:
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> Is there any chance a new school board will reopen
> Clifton ES? Or do they have to wait for Czar
> Tisdadt to retire first?
Irreparable damage from the two tropical storms, no chance.
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> Is there any chance a new school board will reopen
> Clifton ES? Or do they have to wait for Czar
> Tisdadt to retire first?
Irreparable damage from the two tropical storms, no chance.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: September 18, 2011 06:09PM
The truth! Wrote:
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>
>
> Irreparable damage from the two tropical storms,
> no chance.
According to whom and exactly what kind of damage?
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>
>
> Irreparable damage from the two tropical storms,
> no chance.
According to whom and exactly what kind of damage?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
postpoppunk
()
Date: September 19, 2011 02:04AM
Clifton Elementary School has been burnt to the ground as of September 18th - no need to post anymore, it is over.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the truth!
()
Date: September 19, 2011 08:36PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
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> The truth! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > Irreparable damage from the two tropical
> storms,
> > no chance.
>
>
>
> According to whom and exactly what kind of damage?
Flooding and water. It was discussed in private closed door school
board meetings, and in emails between Dr Dale and Dean Tisdadt. Sounds
like a demolition RFP is in progress.
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> The truth! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > Irreparable damage from the two tropical
> storms,
> > no chance.
>
>
>
> According to whom and exactly what kind of damage?
Flooding and water. It was discussed in private closed door school
board meetings, and in emails between Dr Dale and Dean Tisdadt. Sounds
like a demolition RFP is in progress.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
dell ave
()
Date: October 14, 2011 09:54PM
glad Wrote:
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> Ms.Miler is very nice Principal and her vp is very
> nice as well. I'm very glad that they are working
> together at Kenne Mill Elementary
I bet they are so happy to be free of the ultra selfish Clifton Moms.
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> Ms.Miler is very nice Principal and her vp is very
> nice as well. I'm very glad that they are working
> together at Kenne Mill Elementary
I bet they are so happy to be free of the ultra selfish Clifton Moms.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
blahblahblah
()
Date: October 15, 2011 12:24AM
really? pictures?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
crying
()
Date: October 16, 2011 09:32PM
blahblahblah Wrote:
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> really? pictures?
I cry because I remember going to this school from 19844-1990.I remember going to Camp Hamlock. and now is no longer a school in FCPS. My grandpa went to this school. we used to share story's about it. My son will be 10 year old next week, He has to take the school bus for an half hour trip to his school because he doesn't have a school in the city he lives in, I can't believe this happen in America. I thought we where better than this. This looks like something that happens in Africa or Iraq.
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> really? pictures?
I cry because I remember going to this school from 19844-1990.I remember going to Camp Hamlock. and now is no longer a school in FCPS. My grandpa went to this school. we used to share story's about it. My son will be 10 year old next week, He has to take the school bus for an half hour trip to his school because he doesn't have a school in the city he lives in, I can't believe this happen in America. I thought we where better than this. This looks like something that happens in Africa or Iraq.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
logicaldog
()
Date: October 17, 2011 07:52AM
wow I like that imaginary fire, flood and damage. No, theres nothing wrong with the building, county hates Clifton because they consider them elitists, they like passive, docile and stupid parents who will let them torture their kids...
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
to crying
()
Date: October 17, 2011 03:22PM
crying Wrote:
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> blahblahblah Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > really? pictures?
>
>
> I cry because I remember going to this school from
> 19844-1990.I remember going to Camp Hamlock.
> and now is no longer a school in FCPS. My grandpa
> went to this school. we used to share story's
> about it. My son will be 10 year old next week,
> He has to take the school bus for an half hour
> trip to his school because he doesn't have a
> school in the city he lives in, I can't believe
> this happen in America. I thought we where better
> than this. This looks like something that happens
> in Africa or Iraq.
Your kid has to ride a school bus for 30 minutes each day and this remind you of Africa or Iraq?
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> blahblahblah Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > really? pictures?
>
>
> I cry because I remember going to this school from
> 19844-1990.I remember going to Camp Hamlock.
> and now is no longer a school in FCPS. My grandpa
> went to this school. we used to share story's
> about it. My son will be 10 year old next week,
> He has to take the school bus for an half hour
> trip to his school because he doesn't have a
> school in the city he lives in, I can't believe
> this happen in America. I thought we where better
> than this. This looks like something that happens
> in Africa or Iraq.
Your kid has to ride a school bus for 30 minutes each day and this remind you of Africa or Iraq?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
blahblahblah
()
Date: October 17, 2011 04:04PM
crying Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> blahblahblah Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > really? pictures?
>
>
> I cry because I remember going to this school from
> 19844-1990.I remember going to Camp Hamlock.
> and now is no longer a school in FCPS. My grandpa
> went to this school. we used to share story's
> about it. My son will be 10 year old next week,
> He has to take the school bus for an half hour
> trip to his school because he doesn't have a
> school in the city he lives in, I can't believe
> this happen in America. I thought we where better
> than this. This looks like something that happens
> in Africa or Iraq.
wow, look at all the shits i give about your poor unfortunate child. He's probably used to his new school by now. stop your whining.
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> blahblahblah Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > really? pictures?
>
>
> I cry because I remember going to this school from
> 19844-1990.I remember going to Camp Hamlock.
> and now is no longer a school in FCPS. My grandpa
> went to this school. we used to share story's
> about it. My son will be 10 year old next week,
> He has to take the school bus for an half hour
> trip to his school because he doesn't have a
> school in the city he lives in, I can't believe
> this happen in America. I thought we where better
> than this. This looks like something that happens
> in Africa or Iraq.
wow, look at all the shits i give about your poor unfortunate child. He's probably used to his new school by now. stop your whining.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
You do not know me
()
Date: October 17, 2011 06:22PM
I don't speak for all of Clifton but many kids do wonder why the school sign is still up and has it's lights on.
I am not asking for answer I am just saying it is a waste of taxpayer money to have the sign still up and running.
I have moved on. Now demolish the sign and get on with it.
I am not asking for answer I am just saying it is a waste of taxpayer money to have the sign still up and running.
I have moved on. Now demolish the sign and get on with it.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
blahblahblah
()
Date: October 17, 2011 09:14PM
hey, how about this? how about we take all of the money used to keep schools that suck open (ex., Clifton Elementary), and use it to repair schools that need them? (ex. Herndon/West Springfield High School, Mountain View, etc.)
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: October 17, 2011 11:05PM
blahblahblah Wrote:
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> hey, how about this? how about we take all of the
> money used to keep schools that suck open (ex.,
> Clifton Elementary), and use it to repair schools
> that need them? (ex. Herndon/West Springfield High
> School, Mountain View, etc.)
You clearly have no idea how this works. First you have to find a School Board member who wants a new school in their district but is not needed and then you have to wait your turn in the queue to get a posh renovated facility....oh, but wait it gets better! That new school that isn't needed took 60% of the funds that would be used to renovate your falling down, leaking when it mists outside school AND you got left off the queue. So now you get suckered in to writing to the rest of the School Board asking coyly that they not renovate a small school but instead bump your school up the queue. And in the end, when the dust has settled, you are still screwed because your kid that is currently in the 4th grade STILL won't see a renovated WSHS.
One other point, the costs to renovate Clifton would not have covered 15% of the coats to upgrade Herndon OR WSHS and likely less than 20% of the cost to upgrade Mountain View.
Clifton sucked because more than 90% of the students passed the SOLs every year? Nice, you must love the quality of education provided by FCPS at other schools then.
-------------------------------------------------------
> hey, how about this? how about we take all of the
> money used to keep schools that suck open (ex.,
> Clifton Elementary), and use it to repair schools
> that need them? (ex. Herndon/West Springfield High
> School, Mountain View, etc.)
You clearly have no idea how this works. First you have to find a School Board member who wants a new school in their district but is not needed and then you have to wait your turn in the queue to get a posh renovated facility....oh, but wait it gets better! That new school that isn't needed took 60% of the funds that would be used to renovate your falling down, leaking when it mists outside school AND you got left off the queue. So now you get suckered in to writing to the rest of the School Board asking coyly that they not renovate a small school but instead bump your school up the queue. And in the end, when the dust has settled, you are still screwed because your kid that is currently in the 4th grade STILL won't see a renovated WSHS.
One other point, the costs to renovate Clifton would not have covered 15% of the coats to upgrade Herndon OR WSHS and likely less than 20% of the cost to upgrade Mountain View.
Clifton sucked because more than 90% of the students passed the SOLs every year? Nice, you must love the quality of education provided by FCPS at other schools then.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
BOTTOM LINE
()
Date: October 19, 2011 10:13AM
GET OVER IT ALREADY PEOPLE OVER $11 Million dollars for less than 400, soon to be less than 300 students, to go to an elitist Elementary School IS NOT WORTH IT!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Go AWAY Liz
()
Date: October 19, 2011 10:22AM
Liz Bradsher -
Get a life and go AWAY. You are a has been who should have been a "was never".
You are a hate-filled toxic poisonous vapid IQ-less bitter nasty person.
Get a high-colonic and detox in some chemical containment field. The half-life of you vile insides is beyond any of our lifespans.
Get a life and go AWAY. You are a has been who should have been a "was never".
You are a hate-filled toxic poisonous vapid IQ-less bitter nasty person.
Get a high-colonic and detox in some chemical containment field. The half-life of you vile insides is beyond any of our lifespans.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: October 19, 2011 11:44PM
BOTTOM LINE Wrote:
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> GET OVER IT ALREADY PEOPLE OVER $11 Million
> dollars for less than 400, soon to be less than
> 300 students, to go to an elitist Elementary
> School IS NOT WORTH IT!
Get up to speed while I get over it. Have you been reading anything put forward by FCPS the last 2 1/2 years? If $9.5M was too much for say 350 students then why is $84M for 1,854 students acceptable? Let's see, that is $27,142 vs $45,307 per pupil for a high school renovation that would be funded through the 2011 Bond. Now I completely understand how we got here. Lack of mathematics education in our population. Clearly you have a figure in your mind that is acceptable, so why not state what a per student renovation that you believe is reasonable should cost in Fairfax County. If you believe a renovation of Clifton was more expensive on a per student basis than many others completed in the past or planned for the future I would say the 25+ member team in FCPS marketing has more than done their jobs selling to you.
-------------------------------------------------------
> GET OVER IT ALREADY PEOPLE OVER $11 Million
> dollars for less than 400, soon to be less than
> 300 students, to go to an elitist Elementary
> School IS NOT WORTH IT!
Get up to speed while I get over it. Have you been reading anything put forward by FCPS the last 2 1/2 years? If $9.5M was too much for say 350 students then why is $84M for 1,854 students acceptable? Let's see, that is $27,142 vs $45,307 per pupil for a high school renovation that would be funded through the 2011 Bond. Now I completely understand how we got here. Lack of mathematics education in our population. Clearly you have a figure in your mind that is acceptable, so why not state what a per student renovation that you believe is reasonable should cost in Fairfax County. If you believe a renovation of Clifton was more expensive on a per student basis than many others completed in the past or planned for the future I would say the 25+ member team in FCPS marketing has more than done their jobs selling to you.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: October 20, 2011 12:17AM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> BOTTOM LINE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > GET OVER IT ALREADY PEOPLE OVER $11 Million
> > dollars for less than 400, soon to be less than
> > 300 students, to go to an elitist Elementary
> > School IS NOT WORTH IT!
>
> Get up to speed while I get over it. Have you
> been reading anything put forward by FCPS the last
> 2 1/2 years? If $9.5M was too much for say 350
> students then why is $84M for 1,854 students
> acceptable? Let's see, that is $27,142 vs $45,307
> per pupil for a high school renovation that would
> be funded through the 2011 Bond. Now I completely
> understand how we got here. Lack of mathematics
> education in our population. Clearly you have a
> figure in your mind that is acceptable, so why not
> state what a per student renovation that you
> believe is reasonable should cost in Fairfax
> County. If you believe a renovation of Clifton
> was more expensive on a per student basis than
> many others completed in the past or planned for
> the future I would say the 25+ member team in FCPS
> marketing has more than done their jobs selling to
> you.
+1 :-)
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> BOTTOM LINE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > GET OVER IT ALREADY PEOPLE OVER $11 Million
> > dollars for less than 400, soon to be less than
> > 300 students, to go to an elitist Elementary
> > School IS NOT WORTH IT!
>
> Get up to speed while I get over it. Have you
> been reading anything put forward by FCPS the last
> 2 1/2 years? If $9.5M was too much for say 350
> students then why is $84M for 1,854 students
> acceptable? Let's see, that is $27,142 vs $45,307
> per pupil for a high school renovation that would
> be funded through the 2011 Bond. Now I completely
> understand how we got here. Lack of mathematics
> education in our population. Clearly you have a
> figure in your mind that is acceptable, so why not
> state what a per student renovation that you
> believe is reasonable should cost in Fairfax
> County. If you believe a renovation of Clifton
> was more expensive on a per student basis than
> many others completed in the past or planned for
> the future I would say the 25+ member team in FCPS
> marketing has more than done their jobs selling to
> you.
+1 :-)
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
notacliftonelitist
()
Date: October 20, 2011 06:36AM
How much would it cost to build a brand new high school? You missed the point 11 million just so these kids could stay at your elitist school... There are things that ate necessary like making sure 1800 students have a high school to go to versus 11 million dollars to keep a school open which doesn't have the population to feed the school over a wider area than anywhere else in ffx county. This doesn't even factor in operating costs...
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
logicaldog
()
Date: October 20, 2011 07:19AM
I'm curious, how are you defining an "elitist" school, it wasn't new or high tech or even nicely equipped, you just don't like the people because you think they have more money than you do...crappy reason.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
notacliftonelitist
()
Date: October 20, 2011 07:53AM
First of all way to conclude that because I'm not in Clifton I don't have money, which a) shows how elitist you folks are, b) doesn't take in to consideration that plenty of areas in the county are just as wealthy or wealthier than Clifton, and you don't here these problems there, well of course except for the fact of red @ss h()le mom, but I digress...
It is elitist for what it is... a lack of diversity, this was more about not having to go to school with ESOL and free and reduced lunch students than it was anything else. Before closing Clifton had low attendance and the largest boundary of any Elementary School in the county... The rest of the tax payers of Fairfax County shouldn't have to carry this burden so you can keep on unviable school opened...
It is elitist for what it is... a lack of diversity, this was more about not having to go to school with ESOL and free and reduced lunch students than it was anything else. Before closing Clifton had low attendance and the largest boundary of any Elementary School in the county... The rest of the tax payers of Fairfax County shouldn't have to carry this burden so you can keep on unviable school opened...
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: October 20, 2011 10:52AM
Wow, bitter much? If living in a $550,000 home in Fairfax County makes one an elitist then you are clearly pissed at nearly half of the people that live here. And yes, a fair sized population with students that attended Clifton Elementary fit into the demographic. Likely a LOT more than you would expect. Remember the uber-wealthy send their children to private schools. While an extremely small population of families with students at Clifton [read as less than 5] may have had an issue with ESOL and diversity factors, the students and families with children that did not go to private school as a result of the closure decision appear to have adjusted well to their relatively diverse new environs. The interesting missing factor is the sense of community within the schools. At Clifton teachers, staff and just about every parent volunteer would wave and say hello to students in the halls. None of that is permitted in the quiet zones of the schools children now attend so the feeling of comfort/community appears less present. And I don't mean this to sound like those schools are wrong in their management of the learning environment, it is just different and at times comes across as colder in nature.
Is it too much to ask those with such bitter feelings towards the students and families that had children at Clifton to get over it like all from the Clifton area have been asked so often to do. The environment at the school was different because of the link to the community that many of the staff had and the volunteer spirit of the families at the school. Few schools have this in FCPS an those tht do are fortunate.
Is it too much to ask those with such bitter feelings towards the students and families that had children at Clifton to get over it like all from the Clifton area have been asked so often to do. The environment at the school was different because of the link to the community that many of the staff had and the volunteer spirit of the families at the school. Few schools have this in FCPS an those tht do are fortunate.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
StillnotaCLIFTONelitist
()
Date: October 20, 2011 01:09PM
You clearly don't get what I'm saying, and if you think I'm bitter thats hilarious... I'm sick and tired of the self-serving Clifton community thinking that they deserve this school, or that this school is any better than any other school in the system...I could live in Clifton if I wanted, but that isn't a life style that I have any desire for at all...
I'm sorry that Clifton was a magical place of unicorns, rainbows and everyone waiving hi, community is what you make out of it, these kids are getting just as great an education at the schools they are at now...
The reason that the rest of the county for the most part is not elitist is because of the great amount of wealth this county poses, but at the same time has a great deal of diversity. I don't know how you can say 5 out of 200 some families had the ESOL/reduced lunch attitude, just look at the other stuff that is written here/to school board members - All you have to do is look at logicaldog's racist rants about Asians early today in the TJ thread...
Once again though, not bitter, not jealous, just sick and tired of this dead horse getting beaten, if there was a good reason for the school to still be opened it would be...
I'm sorry that Clifton was a magical place of unicorns, rainbows and everyone waiving hi, community is what you make out of it, these kids are getting just as great an education at the schools they are at now...
The reason that the rest of the county for the most part is not elitist is because of the great amount of wealth this county poses, but at the same time has a great deal of diversity. I don't know how you can say 5 out of 200 some families had the ESOL/reduced lunch attitude, just look at the other stuff that is written here/to school board members - All you have to do is look at logicaldog's racist rants about Asians early today in the TJ thread...
Once again though, not bitter, not jealous, just sick and tired of this dead horse getting beaten, if there was a good reason for the school to still be opened it would be...
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: October 20, 2011 02:03PM
notacliftonelitist Wrote:
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> First of all way to conclude that because I'm not
> in Clifton I don't have money, which a) shows how
> elitist you folks are, b) doesn't take in to
> consideration that plenty of areas in the county
> are just as wealthy or wealthier than Clifton, and
> you don't here these problems there, well of
> course except for the fact of red @ss h()le mom,
> but I digress...
>
> It is elitist for what it is... a lack of
> diversity, this was more about not having to go to
> school with ESOL and free and reduced lunch
> students than it was anything else. Before
> closing Clifton had low attendance and the largest
> boundary of any Elementary School in the county...
> The rest of the tax payers of Fairfax County
> shouldn't have to carry this burden so you can
> keep on unviable school opened...
Besides the fact that your post is barely comprehensible (punctuation and spell check are helpful, btw), it shows just how little you know about Clifton, the people that live in Clifton, or this issue in general.
You claim that this was more about "not having to go to school with ESOL and free and reduced lunch students than it was anything else". How so? The 3 schools that CES kids are at this year have the same "diversity" as CES, or very close to it. That was NEVER an issue.
You claim low attendance at CES. CES was at maximum capacity, with almost 400 children. How is that low attendance? There are several schools in FFX Co. with comparable, and in some cases, lower attendance than CES. As for the largest boundary of any elementary school (no need to capitalize those words in the middle of your sentence, btw), have you seen the new boundary map for Fairview Elementary? It's now the same size as the former CES boundary. Another ridiculous and baseless argument.
You say CES was "unviable". In what sense? The definition of unviable is: not capable of working successfully; not feasible. CES was ranked #2 in the county for performance and received The Governor's award for excellence. How is that not working successfully? Now, if you meant financially unviable, well, sorry, but you're wrong again. I don't have the time or inclination to try and educate you on this subject, but if you took the time to educate yourself, you'd realize how ignorant your statements are.
To give you just a small example, I'll insert a picture below which was taken from FCPS Dashboard in 2009, when this whole issue about CES began. This picture shows that CES was at 98% utilization, extremely close to full capacity (only enough room for 8 more students in 2009. When CES closed, there were 377 students - oops, OVER capacity) and the projected enrollment was expected to increase, not decrease. Magically, once the SWRBS committee started looking into these "facts", those facts changed, drastically. Why, you might ask? Because those "facts" didn't support the closure of CES. That's when the FCPS "staff", led by Dean Tisdadt manipulated the "facts" to suit their purposes. How, you might ask? By conveniently omitting almost half of the CES boundary from the new projected enrollment. This isn't speculation - it's a fact that has been proven.
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> First of all way to conclude that because I'm not
> in Clifton I don't have money, which a) shows how
> elitist you folks are, b) doesn't take in to
> consideration that plenty of areas in the county
> are just as wealthy or wealthier than Clifton, and
> you don't here these problems there, well of
> course except for the fact of red @ss h()le mom,
> but I digress...
>
> It is elitist for what it is... a lack of
> diversity, this was more about not having to go to
> school with ESOL and free and reduced lunch
> students than it was anything else. Before
> closing Clifton had low attendance and the largest
> boundary of any Elementary School in the county...
> The rest of the tax payers of Fairfax County
> shouldn't have to carry this burden so you can
> keep on unviable school opened...
Besides the fact that your post is barely comprehensible (punctuation and spell check are helpful, btw), it shows just how little you know about Clifton, the people that live in Clifton, or this issue in general.
You claim that this was more about "not having to go to school with ESOL and free and reduced lunch students than it was anything else". How so? The 3 schools that CES kids are at this year have the same "diversity" as CES, or very close to it. That was NEVER an issue.
You claim low attendance at CES. CES was at maximum capacity, with almost 400 children. How is that low attendance? There are several schools in FFX Co. with comparable, and in some cases, lower attendance than CES. As for the largest boundary of any elementary school (no need to capitalize those words in the middle of your sentence, btw), have you seen the new boundary map for Fairview Elementary? It's now the same size as the former CES boundary. Another ridiculous and baseless argument.
You say CES was "unviable". In what sense? The definition of unviable is: not capable of working successfully; not feasible. CES was ranked #2 in the county for performance and received The Governor's award for excellence. How is that not working successfully? Now, if you meant financially unviable, well, sorry, but you're wrong again. I don't have the time or inclination to try and educate you on this subject, but if you took the time to educate yourself, you'd realize how ignorant your statements are.
To give you just a small example, I'll insert a picture below which was taken from FCPS Dashboard in 2009, when this whole issue about CES began. This picture shows that CES was at 98% utilization, extremely close to full capacity (only enough room for 8 more students in 2009. When CES closed, there were 377 students - oops, OVER capacity) and the projected enrollment was expected to increase, not decrease. Magically, once the SWRBS committee started looking into these "facts", those facts changed, drastically. Why, you might ask? Because those "facts" didn't support the closure of CES. That's when the FCPS "staff", led by Dean Tisdadt manipulated the "facts" to suit their purposes. How, you might ask? By conveniently omitting almost half of the CES boundary from the new projected enrollment. This isn't speculation - it's a fact that has been proven.
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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
logicaldog
()
Date: October 20, 2011 06:06PM
Yes God forbid anyone in FCPS thinks they should have a good school, cause nobody else does. A small school is good, there are few with good solid community involvement and you are jealous, get over yourself.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
liz iz cool
()
Date: January 02, 2012 07:48PM
Robert Wrote:
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> I WANT TO SUE FCPS. THEY ARE CLOSING CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IT ONE OF THE BEST SCHOOL IN
> FCPS. I HATE JACK DALE. THE ONLY REASON CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS SUCH A GOOD SCHOOL IS BECAUSE
> WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BLAKCS OR ILLEGALS IN OUR
> SCHOOL. IF WE REMOVED THEM EVER SCHOOL WOULD BE
> LIKE CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
I wish we could close it again. The CES parents were exposed as the selfish monsters that they are. At least now the kids have a chance to break the cycle of selfishness and hate.
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> I WANT TO SUE FCPS. THEY ARE CLOSING CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IT ONE OF THE BEST SCHOOL IN
> FCPS. I HATE JACK DALE. THE ONLY REASON CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS SUCH A GOOD SCHOOL IS BECAUSE
> WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BLAKCS OR ILLEGALS IN OUR
> SCHOOL. IF WE REMOVED THEM EVER SCHOOL WOULD BE
> LIKE CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
I wish we could close it again. The CES parents were exposed as the selfish monsters that they are. At least now the kids have a chance to break the cycle of selfishness and hate.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 03, 2012 03:29AM
Selfish? Really? Donating thousands of dollars and hours of time to community groups outside of your community is now called being selfish? When you can say something based remotely on actual facts, then I'll listen to you.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
small is "out"
()
Date: January 03, 2012 07:52AM
They want too big to fail. Politics. Educational flavor of the moment.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
nouveau
()
Date: January 03, 2012 12:36PM
Many of you are just wanting to start class warfare, just because Clifton was a good small school you are jealous, that doesn't mean you couldn't have one if you just had a pair like the parents at Clifton...I guess it is the culture of poverty not to feel worthy.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the taxpayer
()
Date: January 03, 2012 08:40PM
Bad water, unsafe, in need millions $$$ in renovations, asbestos, and a fire trap. Good riddance Clifton Elementary!
Bet you wish you never asked for and had your kiddies suck down the tax payer purchased bottled water in place of the tainted well H2O.
Bet you wish you never asked for and had your kiddies suck down the tax payer purchased bottled water in place of the tainted well H2O.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 04, 2012 08:40AM
the taxpayer Wrote:
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> Bad water, unsafe, in need millions $$$ in
> renovations, asbestos, and a fire trap. Good
> riddance Clifton Elementary!
>
> Bet you wish you never asked for and had your
> kiddies suck down the tax payer purchased bottled
> water in place of the tainted well H2O.
You think bottled water (the 5 gallon size type) is expensive, wait until you see the security camera costs. Oh and the county even stated that the bottled water cost for the 4 years it was provided was minimal. Have you even looked at the renovations done to other schools? There is a 20 by 20 (possibly larger) "portrait" of Edison in the Edison HS entry to the school following the renovation that I am certain cost well over half of a full time teachers salary to design and install.
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> Bad water, unsafe, in need millions $$$ in
> renovations, asbestos, and a fire trap. Good
> riddance Clifton Elementary!
>
> Bet you wish you never asked for and had your
> kiddies suck down the tax payer purchased bottled
> water in place of the tainted well H2O.
You think bottled water (the 5 gallon size type) is expensive, wait until you see the security camera costs. Oh and the county even stated that the bottled water cost for the 4 years it was provided was minimal. Have you even looked at the renovations done to other schools? There is a 20 by 20 (possibly larger) "portrait" of Edison in the Edison HS entry to the school following the renovation that I am certain cost well over half of a full time teachers salary to design and install.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
maintenance
()
Date: January 04, 2012 08:56AM
FCPS/Fairfax County takes great pleasure in impressing people by throwing huge amounts of money into new projects. But do they allocating money for basic maintenance/repair of existing structures is a different issue. West Springfield HS, TJHSST, and others are examples of how no one seems interested in practical matters. They like the drama of letting things get dangerously neglected before being forced to do something about it.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
old yates ford
()
Date: January 04, 2012 08:41PM
Go AWAY Liz Wrote:
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> Liz Bradsher -
>
> Get a life and go AWAY. You are a has been who
> should have been a "was never".
>
> You are a hate-filled toxic poisonous vapid
> IQ-less bitter nasty person.
>
> Get a high-colonic and detox in some chemical
> containment field. The half-life of you vile
> insides is beyond any of our lifespans.
Liz tried to talk about building a new school but the closed minded selfish pricks wanted things their way or nothing.
Not all clifton people are purely selfish but the vocal few are and they make the rest of us look bad. I am thankfull that my kids are grown amd not living in Clifton.
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> Liz Bradsher -
>
> Get a life and go AWAY. You are a has been who
> should have been a "was never".
>
> You are a hate-filled toxic poisonous vapid
> IQ-less bitter nasty person.
>
> Get a high-colonic and detox in some chemical
> containment field. The half-life of you vile
> insides is beyond any of our lifespans.
Liz tried to talk about building a new school but the closed minded selfish pricks wanted things their way or nothing.
Not all clifton people are purely selfish but the vocal few are and they make the rest of us look bad. I am thankfull that my kids are grown amd not living in Clifton.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
BS
()
Date: January 04, 2012 09:26PM
Clifton was never offered a new school. Get your facts straight. You sound like an old wind bag looking to cause trouble. I guess you must be friends with Liz.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the taxpayer
()
Date: January 04, 2012 09:50PM
old yates ford Wrote:
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>
>
> Liz tried to talk about building a new school but
> the closed minded selfish pricks wanted things
> their way or nothing.
Right next to Liberty MS. Dumb move on the part of Clifton town folks not to jump on it.
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>
>
> Liz tried to talk about building a new school but
> the closed minded selfish pricks wanted things
> their way or nothing.
Right next to Liberty MS. Dumb move on the part of Clifton town folks not to jump on it.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
they said no
()
Date: January 04, 2012 11:29PM
Clifton parents were offered a new school---the School Board took a tour to the site and the parents were at that Liberty site when the tour took place. A new school was on the table ---they (the parents) took it off. BIG MISTAKE--
Apparently Herrity was part of that mistake, he was there with the parents urging them to say no to the new school. I saw him and parents protesting the Board against the new school, so did my neighbor from LRR.
Apparently Herrity was part of that mistake, he was there with the parents urging them to say no to the new school. I saw him and parents protesting the Board against the new school, so did my neighbor from LRR.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 05, 2012 01:21AM
they said no Wrote:
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> Clifton parents were offered a new school---the
> School Board took a tour to the site and the
> parents were at that Liberty site when the tour
> took place. A new school was on the table ---they
> (the parents) took it off. BIG MISTAKE--
> Apparently Herrity was part of that mistake, he
> was there with the parents urging them to say no
> to the new school. I saw him and parents
> protesting the Board against the new school, so
> did my neighbor from LRR.
Did you know those families protesting a new school at the Liberty site the day of the tour were Union Mill families and not Clifton Elementary families? Did you also know that Mr. Herrity LIVES IN LRR and had just as much right to show up and show his views the day of the visit to the proposed Liberty site? Did you know that to build a new school at the Liberty site would likely cost over $10M more than doing minimal work at Clifton Elementary? Did you know that many vocal families with students at Clifton Elementary were willing to delay any renovations in favor of supporting other schools that were in greater need of renovation? No, it appears you knew none of these facts. Please don't mistake FCPS and Bradsher spin as fact. Thank you.
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> Clifton parents were offered a new school---the
> School Board took a tour to the site and the
> parents were at that Liberty site when the tour
> took place. A new school was on the table ---they
> (the parents) took it off. BIG MISTAKE--
> Apparently Herrity was part of that mistake, he
> was there with the parents urging them to say no
> to the new school. I saw him and parents
> protesting the Board against the new school, so
> did my neighbor from LRR.
Did you know those families protesting a new school at the Liberty site the day of the tour were Union Mill families and not Clifton Elementary families? Did you also know that Mr. Herrity LIVES IN LRR and had just as much right to show up and show his views the day of the visit to the proposed Liberty site? Did you know that to build a new school at the Liberty site would likely cost over $10M more than doing minimal work at Clifton Elementary? Did you know that many vocal families with students at Clifton Elementary were willing to delay any renovations in favor of supporting other schools that were in greater need of renovation? No, it appears you knew none of these facts. Please don't mistake FCPS and Bradsher spin as fact. Thank you.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
old yates ford
()
Date: January 05, 2012 05:28AM
the taxpayer Wrote:
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> old yates ford Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > Liz tried to talk about building a new school
> but
> > the closed minded selfish pricks wanted things
> > their way or nothing.
>
> Right next to Liberty MS. Dumb move on the part of
> Clifton town folks not to jump on it.
Most of the CES parents would not even discuss the new school option they were so sure that they could win by stamping their feet and holding their breath till their faces turned blue.
Thankfully the taxpayers of the county were the winners. The Clifton folks did manage to get a few extra years out of CES, it should have been closed in 2008.
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> old yates ford Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > Liz tried to talk about building a new school
> but
> > the closed minded selfish pricks wanted things
> > their way or nothing.
>
> Right next to Liberty MS. Dumb move on the part of
> Clifton town folks not to jump on it.
Most of the CES parents would not even discuss the new school option they were so sure that they could win by stamping their feet and holding their breath till their faces turned blue.
Thankfully the taxpayers of the county were the winners. The Clifton folks did manage to get a few extra years out of CES, it should have been closed in 2008.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Cat
()
Date: January 05, 2012 07:38AM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> they said no Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Clifton parents were offered a new school---the
> > School Board took a tour to the site and the
> > parents were at that Liberty site when the tour
> > took place. A new school was on the table
> ---they
> > (the parents) took it off. BIG MISTAKE--
> > Apparently Herrity was part of that mistake, he
> > was there with the parents urging them to say
> no
> > to the new school. I saw him and parents
> > protesting the Board against the new school, so
> > did my neighbor from LRR.
>
> Did you know those families protesting a new
> school at the Liberty site the day of the tour
> were Union Mill families and not Clifton
> Elementary families? Did you also know that Mr.
> Herrity LIVES IN LRR and had just as much right to
> show up and show his views the day of the visit to
> the proposed Liberty site? Did you know that to
> build a new school at the Liberty site would
> likely cost over $10M more than doing minimal work
> at Clifton Elementary? Did you know that many
> vocal families with students at Clifton Elementary
> were willing to delay any renovations in favor of
> supporting other schools that were in greater need
> of renovation? No, it appears you knew none of
> these facts. Please don't mistake FCPS and
> Bradsher spin as fact. Thank you.
Justataxpayer is correct.
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> they said no Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Clifton parents were offered a new school---the
> > School Board took a tour to the site and the
> > parents were at that Liberty site when the tour
> > took place. A new school was on the table
> ---they
> > (the parents) took it off. BIG MISTAKE--
> > Apparently Herrity was part of that mistake, he
> > was there with the parents urging them to say
> no
> > to the new school. I saw him and parents
> > protesting the Board against the new school, so
> > did my neighbor from LRR.
>
> Did you know those families protesting a new
> school at the Liberty site the day of the tour
> were Union Mill families and not Clifton
> Elementary families? Did you also know that Mr.
> Herrity LIVES IN LRR and had just as much right to
> show up and show his views the day of the visit to
> the proposed Liberty site? Did you know that to
> build a new school at the Liberty site would
> likely cost over $10M more than doing minimal work
> at Clifton Elementary? Did you know that many
> vocal families with students at Clifton Elementary
> were willing to delay any renovations in favor of
> supporting other schools that were in greater need
> of renovation? No, it appears you knew none of
> these facts. Please don't mistake FCPS and
> Bradsher spin as fact. Thank you.
Justataxpayer is correct.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
I agree
()
Date: January 05, 2012 08:21AM
Justataxpayer is correct.
I also want to note that the Liberty site was turned down due to problems with the soil having asbestos.The SB knew that all along too. Building a new school while a current school was already built would be a danger to the kids.
I also want to note that the Liberty site was turned down due to problems with the soil having asbestos.The SB knew that all along too. Building a new school while a current school was already built would be a danger to the kids.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
backtofuture
()
Date: January 05, 2012 09:20AM
20124 Income
Median Household Income $154495 in 2009, now 198745
20124 is zip for "real clifton" not fake, like Little Rocky Run included, which was not the area covered by Clifton Elementary School, but income has nothing to do with it, everyone is entitled to a good school, just so happens that Clifton parents care enough to try to do something about it, which is more than I can say for your sorry asses.
Median Household Income $154495 in 2009, now 198745
20124 is zip for "real clifton" not fake, like Little Rocky Run included, which was not the area covered by Clifton Elementary School, but income has nothing to do with it, everyone is entitled to a good school, just so happens that Clifton parents care enough to try to do something about it, which is more than I can say for your sorry asses.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
UMES
()
Date: January 05, 2012 09:27AM
They should have never closed Clifton ES. UMES is now overcrowded and some classes are being held in the hallways. Union Mill has suffered a lot since the building was not built to hold 750+ kids. They should have kept Clifton open till addtions were made to the other schools. The SB did not think ahead and now everyone is suffering.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Not correct
()
Date: January 05, 2012 12:42PM
To Justataxpayor and Cat:
CES parents were at the site on that day, they traveled behind the School Board bus-- we saw the caravan. Stop with the spin argument, you and others don't want to hear the truth of the matter.
The asbestos was natural asbestos not of the kind in buildings --LRR is built on the very same vein of asbestos---so I guess all those homeowners should vacate too?
Building a school at the site would have cost more than the renovation but it would have been built for over 700+ students, helping with other area capacity needs per the report. Clifton handled about 350. Talk about spin...get it right for a change, that is probably asking too much.
Herrity has no children in public school---he knows little, typical politician.
CES parents were at the site on that day, they traveled behind the School Board bus-- we saw the caravan. Stop with the spin argument, you and others don't want to hear the truth of the matter.
The asbestos was natural asbestos not of the kind in buildings --LRR is built on the very same vein of asbestos---so I guess all those homeowners should vacate too?
Building a school at the site would have cost more than the renovation but it would have been built for over 700+ students, helping with other area capacity needs per the report. Clifton handled about 350. Talk about spin...get it right for a change, that is probably asking too much.
Herrity has no children in public school---he knows little, typical politician.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Natural occurring asbestos
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Date: January 05, 2012 01:28PM
Asbestos even if natural would still be stirred up and into the air if the ground was broken for a new school. The site was deemed no good for the asbestos reason as it could harm the kids already in the Liberty Middle school. No one said anything about homeowners moving. You get your facts straight.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Really?
()
Date: January 05, 2012 01:49PM
If you think Clifton parents had a choice of where or if a new school was built you are crazy. The SB decides that. The SB found out that the Liberty site was not a good option to build on.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
typical school board
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Date: January 05, 2012 01:51PM
UMES Wrote:
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> They should have never closed Clifton ES. UMES is
> now overcrowded and some classes are being held in
> the hallways. Union Mill has suffered a lot since
> the building was not built to hold 750+ kids. They
> should have kept Clifton open till addtions were
> made to the other schools. The SB did not think
> ahead and now everyone is suffering.
This is a disturbing pattern with the FCPS school board decisions. They don't THINK and PLAN ahead. If a person dares to question their decision, the school board and/or community paints the person as an elitist, a helicopter parents, etc.
If FCPS really put the vast amount of money they have into more practical things (and less on useless training seminars for Gatehouse administrators on the west coast or a new 'study'), there wouldn't be so much distrust from the residents.
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> They should have never closed Clifton ES. UMES is
> now overcrowded and some classes are being held in
> the hallways. Union Mill has suffered a lot since
> the building was not built to hold 750+ kids. They
> should have kept Clifton open till addtions were
> made to the other schools. The SB did not think
> ahead and now everyone is suffering.
This is a disturbing pattern with the FCPS school board decisions. They don't THINK and PLAN ahead. If a person dares to question their decision, the school board and/or community paints the person as an elitist, a helicopter parents, etc.
If FCPS really put the vast amount of money they have into more practical things (and less on useless training seminars for Gatehouse administrators on the west coast or a new 'study'), there wouldn't be so much distrust from the residents.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the Taxpayer
()
Date: January 05, 2012 03:01PM
Not correct Wrote:
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> To Justataxpayor and Cat:
> CES parents were at the site on that day, they
> traveled behind the School Board bus-- we saw the
> caravan. Stop with the spin argument, you and
> others don't want to hear the truth of the matter.
>
>
> The asbestos was natural asbestos not of the kind
> in buildings --LRR is built on the very same vein
> of asbestos---so I guess all those homeowners
> should vacate too?
>
> Building a school at the site would have cost more
> than the renovation but it would have been built
> for over 700+ students, helping with other area
> capacity needs per the report. Clifton handled
> about 350. Talk about spin...get it right for a
> change, that is probably asking too much.
>
> Herrity has no children in public school---he
> knows little, typical politician.
Great points and accurate facts on what occurred. justataxpaer and the other Clifton supporters are entitled to their own opinion, but not entitled to falsify what the facts are. This is what they did, and continue to do now.
It was gratifying to see that the rest of the county didn't buy in, and reelected all the incumbents who ran for reelection.
Herrity and the lot of them are RINOs, or simply don't care about fiscal stewardship when it occurs in their own backyard.
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> To Justataxpayor and Cat:
> CES parents were at the site on that day, they
> traveled behind the School Board bus-- we saw the
> caravan. Stop with the spin argument, you and
> others don't want to hear the truth of the matter.
>
>
> The asbestos was natural asbestos not of the kind
> in buildings --LRR is built on the very same vein
> of asbestos---so I guess all those homeowners
> should vacate too?
>
> Building a school at the site would have cost more
> than the renovation but it would have been built
> for over 700+ students, helping with other area
> capacity needs per the report. Clifton handled
> about 350. Talk about spin...get it right for a
> change, that is probably asking too much.
>
> Herrity has no children in public school---he
> knows little, typical politician.
Great points and accurate facts on what occurred. justataxpaer and the other Clifton supporters are entitled to their own opinion, but not entitled to falsify what the facts are. This is what they did, and continue to do now.
It was gratifying to see that the rest of the county didn't buy in, and reelected all the incumbents who ran for reelection.
Herrity and the lot of them are RINOs, or simply don't care about fiscal stewardship when it occurs in their own backyard.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
The taxpayer is wrong
()
Date: January 05, 2012 03:10PM
The site for a new school at Liberty could not be used. No spin.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Let's get it straight
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Date: January 05, 2012 03:13PM
The Liberty site is buildable, there were no problems with the site other than the community did not want a school on that site.
Clifton supporters are entitled to their opinion but not entitled to misrepresent the facts. The rest of the county has little time for such complaints nor do we care.
What kids are suffering? Really suffereing? Meeting new friends, is that suffering? Going to a bigger school with more opportunities, is that suffering? Suffering is being in some third world nation and not having enough food or access to ample education. No one in this county suffers with a Fx education.
People are tired of Clifton parents, suggest we all BOYCOT Clifton Day!
Clifton supporters are entitled to their opinion but not entitled to misrepresent the facts. The rest of the county has little time for such complaints nor do we care.
What kids are suffering? Really suffereing? Meeting new friends, is that suffering? Going to a bigger school with more opportunities, is that suffering? Suffering is being in some third world nation and not having enough food or access to ample education. No one in this county suffers with a Fx education.
People are tired of Clifton parents, suggest we all BOYCOT Clifton Day!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Liberty site
()
Date: January 05, 2012 04:06PM
The Liberty MS site was not deemed as a safe place to build a new school. If it was the SB would have used it. The Clifton parents had nothing to do with the Liberty site not being used to build a new school.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
SPIN ALERT?
()
Date: January 05, 2012 06:34PM
Liberty site Wrote:
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> The Liberty MS site was not deemed as a safe place
> to build a new school. If it was the SB would have
> used it. The Clifton parents had nothing to do
> with the Liberty site not being used to build a
> new school.
^^Spin or blatant lies. Which is it?
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> The Liberty MS site was not deemed as a safe place
> to build a new school. If it was the SB would have
> used it. The Clifton parents had nothing to do
> with the Liberty site not being used to build a
> new school.
^^Spin or blatant lies. Which is it?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
No spin No lies
()
Date: January 05, 2012 07:01PM
Liberty was an adequate site---All lies from Clifton about the site. Read the report. There is natural asbestos throughout that area to include Clifton, LRR and areas along Union Mill, Braddock and north. People still build and live there despite natural asbestos.
Clifton parents and some of LRR tried to tank the site using asbestos as the reason. They got nasty, the Board no doubt thought why bother, residents don't want a new school. That left closing CES and building some additions and/or renovating it knowing its costs would exceed others and also building some additions.
No spin,no lies.
Clifton parents and some of LRR tried to tank the site using asbestos as the reason. They got nasty, the Board no doubt thought why bother, residents don't want a new school. That left closing CES and building some additions and/or renovating it knowing its costs would exceed others and also building some additions.
No spin,no lies.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
No spin no lies BS
()
Date: January 05, 2012 07:57PM
The SB could have just left Clifton open. Nothing was wrong with the school.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
eductor1
()
Date: January 05, 2012 08:31PM
No spin no lies BS Wrote:
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> The SB could have just left Clifton open. Nothing
> was wrong with the school.
The school needed upgrades and they were put off for years. The CES kids are much better off in their new schools despite what their douchebag parents say.
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> The SB could have just left Clifton open. Nothing
> was wrong with the school.
The school needed upgrades and they were put off for years. The CES kids are much better off in their new schools despite what their douchebag parents say.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Nice language
()
Date: January 05, 2012 08:33PM
I hope the above poster does not have kids.
CES won many awards and was a great school.
CES won many awards and was a great school.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the taxpayer
()
Date: January 05, 2012 09:00PM
Nice language Wrote:
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>
> CES won many awards and was a great school.
Like a old Thoroughbred horse, time to send it to the glue factory
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>
> CES won many awards and was a great school.
Like a old Thoroughbred horse, time to send it to the glue factory
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Liz Bradsher
()
Date: January 05, 2012 11:25PM
Bradsher is still and always will be a bitch, no matter what happens to CES.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 05, 2012 11:29PM
I for one can say that not one NEW educational opportunity has come forward for my child now attending one of the schools that received the Clifton Elementary students. NOT ONE! Liz Bradsher spoke of the greater opportunities at The reassigned schools yet never once articulated WHAT EXACTLY those opportunities would be, likely because she had no idea, but it sounded good.
No, the children aren't being educated in some third world country environment, but at the same time the variety of opportunities and the volunteerism shown by the Clifton Elementary community was far greater than what is resident at my child's reassigned school. And yes, I gave the school from the start of this school year until now to show these grand benefits and have yet to see ANY. Yes, my child is getting a fine education however they are not being exposed to the cultural, historic, nor community commitment scale of what was available at Clifton Elementary. The teachers, staff, parents AND local citizens made the school the awesome learning environment that it was. If we had never known that environment, perhaps we would be fine with the level of programs being provided at the reassigned schools, but I know for me and my neighbors we feel as if we have taken a backward step in educational value from what Fairfax County once had.
No, the children aren't being educated in some third world country environment, but at the same time the variety of opportunities and the volunteerism shown by the Clifton Elementary community was far greater than what is resident at my child's reassigned school. And yes, I gave the school from the start of this school year until now to show these grand benefits and have yet to see ANY. Yes, my child is getting a fine education however they are not being exposed to the cultural, historic, nor community commitment scale of what was available at Clifton Elementary. The teachers, staff, parents AND local citizens made the school the awesome learning environment that it was. If we had never known that environment, perhaps we would be fine with the level of programs being provided at the reassigned schools, but I know for me and my neighbors we feel as if we have taken a backward step in educational value from what Fairfax County once had.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 05, 2012 11:45PM
No spin No lies Wrote:
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> Liberty was an adequate site---All lies from
> Clifton about the site. Read the report. There is
> natural asbestos throughout that area to include
> Clifton, LRR and areas along Union Mill, Braddock
> and north. People still build and live there
> despite natural asbestos.
> Clifton parents and some of LRR tried to tank the
> site using asbestos as the reason. They got
> nasty, the Board no doubt thought why bother,
> residents don't want a new school. That left
> closing CES and building some additions and/or
> renovating it knowing its costs would exceed
> others and also building some additions.
>
> No spin,no lies.
"Not proximate to the area of overcrowding." Ring any bells Dean or Liz or whoever is posting this asbestos storyline. THAT was an actual, verifiable and documented reason for NOT selecting the Liberty site.
The resident of LRR didn't want their community split up to attend Union Mill and the new elementary school on the Liberty site. And many Clifton Elementary families among others in the county realized the cost of a new school was not justifiable if the School Board was already crying "lack of funds" for construction.
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> Liberty was an adequate site---All lies from
> Clifton about the site. Read the report. There is
> natural asbestos throughout that area to include
> Clifton, LRR and areas along Union Mill, Braddock
> and north. People still build and live there
> despite natural asbestos.
> Clifton parents and some of LRR tried to tank the
> site using asbestos as the reason. They got
> nasty, the Board no doubt thought why bother,
> residents don't want a new school. That left
> closing CES and building some additions and/or
> renovating it knowing its costs would exceed
> others and also building some additions.
>
> No spin,no lies.
"Not proximate to the area of overcrowding." Ring any bells Dean or Liz or whoever is posting this asbestos storyline. THAT was an actual, verifiable and documented reason for NOT selecting the Liberty site.
The resident of LRR didn't want their community split up to attend Union Mill and the new elementary school on the Liberty site. And many Clifton Elementary families among others in the county realized the cost of a new school was not justifiable if the School Board was already crying "lack of funds" for construction.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Dean and Liz
()
Date: January 06, 2012 08:16AM
Check the WaPost article today:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fairfax-parents-seek-school-repairs/2012/01/05/gIQA9xnndP_story.html
Dean Tisdadt says there is no money for repairs. Yet somehow there's money to build the new South County Middle School. How is it that there is no money for maintenance, yet there is money to build a brand-new school (Bradsher's project)?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fairfax-parents-seek-school-repairs/2012/01/05/gIQA9xnndP_story.html
Dean Tisdadt says there is no money for repairs. Yet somehow there's money to build the new South County Middle School. How is it that there is no money for maintenance, yet there is money to build a brand-new school (Bradsher's project)?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
No spin No lies
()
Date: January 06, 2012 08:19AM
Gosh--Justataxpayor really loves a spin and has been doing so for years. I have checked your entries. No doubt you were involved the Clifton issue. The Liberty site was not near the area of overcrowding on 29 but could have assisted with overcrowding near Centreville ES, Centreridge and assisted with Clifton. I read the report BUCKO!
I also know the School Board opted out of the building at Liberty because of your nastiness and LRR's issues with the possibilities of our community being split. I was at the LRR meeting and remember Bradsher said she did not want to split the LRR neighborhood and she said that was a possibility with the Liberty site. She was pretty upfront at that meeting and wanted LRR feedback.
They would have built a school at that site and then built additions elsewhere, in plain English the Clifton people and even my neighborhood (those who listened to you) shot themselves in the foot. The system builds new schools when needed, apparently they use bonding not operational funding. So once again you are wrong on the matter of paying for a school. You and "friends" were the cause of your own situation and now you blame it on others. Nice spin.
BTW I dare to call you out because I can and we are all tired of you, your spin.
I also know the School Board opted out of the building at Liberty because of your nastiness and LRR's issues with the possibilities of our community being split. I was at the LRR meeting and remember Bradsher said she did not want to split the LRR neighborhood and she said that was a possibility with the Liberty site. She was pretty upfront at that meeting and wanted LRR feedback.
They would have built a school at that site and then built additions elsewhere, in plain English the Clifton people and even my neighborhood (those who listened to you) shot themselves in the foot. The system builds new schools when needed, apparently they use bonding not operational funding. So once again you are wrong on the matter of paying for a school. You and "friends" were the cause of your own situation and now you blame it on others. Nice spin.
BTW I dare to call you out because I can and we are all tired of you, your spin.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
FCPS and Dean T
()
Date: January 06, 2012 08:23AM
Dean Tisdadt is a liar. If you tell the truth you do not need to have a great memory. How does this man keep his job?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
crosspoints
()
Date: January 06, 2012 08:28AM
Tisdadt is a liar and a tool. CES parents called him on it=good for them, if more parents stood up for their school we would have better schools, currently you idiots are just buying into the propaganda cause it hurts to think for yourselves/
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
SOAR
()
Date: January 06, 2012 08:29AM
New schools are built for reasons of need--enrollment need.
Renovations are on a timeline and based upon facility need. Langley and West Springfield are ahead of Falls Church due to building and capacity need. Read the system's Capital Improvement Program. Contact us.
Renovations are on a timeline and based upon facility need. Langley and West Springfield are ahead of Falls Church due to building and capacity need. Read the system's Capital Improvement Program. Contact us.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Not from Clifton
()
Date: January 06, 2012 08:37AM
Being nasty and accusing those making decisions is a great way to stand up for yourself and get what you want. Nice job Clifton.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 06, 2012 09:39AM
No spin No lies Wrote:
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> Gosh--Justataxpayor really loves a spin and has
> been doing so for years. I have checked your
> entries. No doubt you were involved the Clifton
> issue. The Liberty site was not near the area of
> overcrowding on 29 but could have assisted with
> overcrowding near Centreville ES, Centreridge and
> assisted with Clifton. I read the report BUCKO!
>
Glad to know you read the report. Which one? The FCPS Staff report or the community report from the ad-hoc committee? The ad-hoc group indicated in their final report that the Liberty site was not ideal due to the focus of overcrowding being about 5 miles north of the site. Also, FCPS stated that student populations in the Clifton zip code would decline, so my thought would be why build a school where enrollments were flat or declining slightly?
> I also know the School Board opted out of the
> building at Liberty because of your nastiness and
> LRR's issues with the possibilities of our
> community being split. I was at the LRR meeting
> and remember Bradsher said she did not want to
> split the LRR neighborhood and she said that was a
> possibility with the Liberty site. She was pretty
> upfront at that meeting and wanted LRR feedback.
>
Nastiness...please elaborate on that statement. Yes, some in the discussion, actually a very small but vocal group did turn to name-calling after the vote to close but remained quite controlled up to a few weeks prior to the vote. Specific mentions of how nastiness by specific individuals influenced FCPS decision would be nice. If you want nasty or perhaps better defined as inappropriate, how about school board members telling parents they know better than a parent what is best for their child. Really?
> They would have built a school at that site and
> then built additions elsewhere, in plain English
> the Clifton people and even my neighborhood (those
> who listened to you) shot themselves in the foot.
> The system builds new schools when needed,
> apparently they use bonding not operational
> funding. So once again you are wrong on the
> matter of paying for a school. You and "friends"
> were the cause of your own situation and now you
> blame it on others. Nice spin.
No, the school system pays for new facilities as well as the upkeep and renovation of existing facilities through bonds. The renovation of a school and the replacement of a roof for example is covered by the capital program which is funded by dollars from bonds, not the operating budget. The School Board and FCPS staff repeatedly spoke of how behind in renovations they were and for a need of greater bond funds. Brasher specifically told SOAR that they could move up the renovation calendar if Clifton Elementary was closed. Building a new school at Liberty would not have aided in moving West Springfield renovation timeline, and in fact may have delayed it and others even further.
>
> BTW I dare to call you out because I can and we
> are all tired of you, your spin.
Yes, on a message board you can say whatever you wish. Read above for clarifying points to some of your own misstatements.
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> Gosh--Justataxpayor really loves a spin and has
> been doing so for years. I have checked your
> entries. No doubt you were involved the Clifton
> issue. The Liberty site was not near the area of
> overcrowding on 29 but could have assisted with
> overcrowding near Centreville ES, Centreridge and
> assisted with Clifton. I read the report BUCKO!
>
Glad to know you read the report. Which one? The FCPS Staff report or the community report from the ad-hoc committee? The ad-hoc group indicated in their final report that the Liberty site was not ideal due to the focus of overcrowding being about 5 miles north of the site. Also, FCPS stated that student populations in the Clifton zip code would decline, so my thought would be why build a school where enrollments were flat or declining slightly?
> I also know the School Board opted out of the
> building at Liberty because of your nastiness and
> LRR's issues with the possibilities of our
> community being split. I was at the LRR meeting
> and remember Bradsher said she did not want to
> split the LRR neighborhood and she said that was a
> possibility with the Liberty site. She was pretty
> upfront at that meeting and wanted LRR feedback.
>
Nastiness...please elaborate on that statement. Yes, some in the discussion, actually a very small but vocal group did turn to name-calling after the vote to close but remained quite controlled up to a few weeks prior to the vote. Specific mentions of how nastiness by specific individuals influenced FCPS decision would be nice. If you want nasty or perhaps better defined as inappropriate, how about school board members telling parents they know better than a parent what is best for their child. Really?
> They would have built a school at that site and
> then built additions elsewhere, in plain English
> the Clifton people and even my neighborhood (those
> who listened to you) shot themselves in the foot.
> The system builds new schools when needed,
> apparently they use bonding not operational
> funding. So once again you are wrong on the
> matter of paying for a school. You and "friends"
> were the cause of your own situation and now you
> blame it on others. Nice spin.
No, the school system pays for new facilities as well as the upkeep and renovation of existing facilities through bonds. The renovation of a school and the replacement of a roof for example is covered by the capital program which is funded by dollars from bonds, not the operating budget. The School Board and FCPS staff repeatedly spoke of how behind in renovations they were and for a need of greater bond funds. Brasher specifically told SOAR that they could move up the renovation calendar if Clifton Elementary was closed. Building a new school at Liberty would not have aided in moving West Springfield renovation timeline, and in fact may have delayed it and others even further.
>
> BTW I dare to call you out because I can and we
> are all tired of you, your spin.
Yes, on a message board you can say whatever you wish. Read above for clarifying points to some of your own misstatements.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
no spin no lies
()
Date: January 06, 2012 04:02PM
What is your point on bonding? WHSH did move up as did other projects, it was reported at a public meeting by Mr. Tistadt, so are you calling him a liar? If so what gives you the "authority" to do so? I would like to hear what Mr. Tistadt has to say. I am tired of people like you complaining in an anonymous forum and doing nothing. Your posts are full of incorrect information and you continue with such babble--so now I am standing up to you. How does it feel?
The school system has been behind on renovations for years, this is why capital dollars are reviewed so closely. If Clifton was not needed the money could go elsewhere on the renovation list. No brainer.
Building a school at Liberty would not have helped that renovation list but it was an option and public input mattered. Why would a Board member have agreed to build a school at Liberty and spend that money for 2 communities against such a site and school? Better to close Clifton, take the heat, save the money and put it to other uses for other communities that appreciate it.
Clifton really lobbied well, didn't they? Stop your spin ---done with you and this thread
The school system has been behind on renovations for years, this is why capital dollars are reviewed so closely. If Clifton was not needed the money could go elsewhere on the renovation list. No brainer.
Building a school at Liberty would not have helped that renovation list but it was an option and public input mattered. Why would a Board member have agreed to build a school at Liberty and spend that money for 2 communities against such a site and school? Better to close Clifton, take the heat, save the money and put it to other uses for other communities that appreciate it.
Clifton really lobbied well, didn't they? Stop your spin ---done with you and this thread
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
I am you are done
()
Date: January 06, 2012 04:30PM
I am glad no spin no lies is leaving. He has his facts mixed up and he is complaining and do nothing. The Clifton community fought for their school and they deserve credit for it. What has no spin no lies done lately?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the Taxpayer
()
Date: January 06, 2012 04:31PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> I for one can say that not one NEW educational
> opportunity has come forward for my child now
> attending one of the schools that received the
> Clifton Elementary students. NOT ONE! Liz
> Bradsher spoke of the greater opportunities at The
> reassigned schools yet never once articulated WHAT
> EXACTLY those opportunities would be, likely
> because she had no idea, but it sounded good.
>
> No, the children aren't being educated in some
> third world country environment, but at the same
> time the variety of opportunities and the
> volunteerism shown by the Clifton Elementary
> community was far greater than what is resident at
> my child's reassigned school. And yes, I gave the
> school from the start of this school year until
> now to show these grand benefits and have yet to
> see ANY. Yes, my child is getting a fine
> education however they are not being exposed to
> the cultural, historic, nor community commitment
> scale of what was available at Clifton Elementary.
> The teachers, staff, parents AND local citizens
> made the school the awesome learning environment
> that it was. If we had never known that
> environment, perhaps we would be fine with the
> level of programs being provided at the reassigned
> schools, but I know for me and my neighbors we
> feel as if we have taken a backward step in
> educational value from what Fairfax County once
> had.
That's horse pucky. Your kid is getting the same great education they received at CES. If there isn't the same level of volunteerism you only have yourself and your neighbors to blame.
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> I for one can say that not one NEW educational
> opportunity has come forward for my child now
> attending one of the schools that received the
> Clifton Elementary students. NOT ONE! Liz
> Bradsher spoke of the greater opportunities at The
> reassigned schools yet never once articulated WHAT
> EXACTLY those opportunities would be, likely
> because she had no idea, but it sounded good.
>
> No, the children aren't being educated in some
> third world country environment, but at the same
> time the variety of opportunities and the
> volunteerism shown by the Clifton Elementary
> community was far greater than what is resident at
> my child's reassigned school. And yes, I gave the
> school from the start of this school year until
> now to show these grand benefits and have yet to
> see ANY. Yes, my child is getting a fine
> education however they are not being exposed to
> the cultural, historic, nor community commitment
> scale of what was available at Clifton Elementary.
> The teachers, staff, parents AND local citizens
> made the school the awesome learning environment
> that it was. If we had never known that
> environment, perhaps we would be fine with the
> level of programs being provided at the reassigned
> schools, but I know for me and my neighbors we
> feel as if we have taken a backward step in
> educational value from what Fairfax County once
> had.
That's horse pucky. Your kid is getting the same great education they received at CES. If there isn't the same level of volunteerism you only have yourself and your neighbors to blame.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Credit?
()
Date: January 06, 2012 05:19PM
To: I am you are done
Credit for accusations, attacks, nastiness and bitterness. That is what Clifton means to all of us outside your gated trees.
Credit for accusations, attacks, nastiness and bitterness. That is what Clifton means to all of us outside your gated trees.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
to credit?
()
Date: January 06, 2012 05:37PM
Hi Liz!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
credit?
()
Date: January 06, 2012 06:54PM
?
Not her sorry to disappoint, just some one else who gets it.
Not her sorry to disappoint, just some one else who gets it.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 07, 2012 12:07AM
the Taxpayer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> That's horse pucky. Your kid is getting the same
> great education they received at CES. If there
> isn't the same level of volunteerism you only have
> yourself and your neighbors to blame.
Wow, you know so much about what Clifton Elementary was like an also now know about Union Mill, Fairview and Oak View too. I can only deduce you are a member of FCPS staff, a school board member or one great BS artist. Oh and me and my neighbors do volunteer at the new school. So I take no blame for trying to continue to contribute to the education of my child as well as their classmates as my family and my neighbors did at Clifton Elementary.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> That's horse pucky. Your kid is getting the same
> great education they received at CES. If there
> isn't the same level of volunteerism you only have
> yourself and your neighbors to blame.
Wow, you know so much about what Clifton Elementary was like an also now know about Union Mill, Fairview and Oak View too. I can only deduce you are a member of FCPS staff, a school board member or one great BS artist. Oh and me and my neighbors do volunteer at the new school. So I take no blame for trying to continue to contribute to the education of my child as well as their classmates as my family and my neighbors did at Clifton Elementary.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 07, 2012 12:33AM
no spin no lies Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> What is your point on bonding? WHSH did move up
> as did other projects, it was reported at a public
> meeting by Mr. Tistadt, so are you calling him a
> liar?
Well of course, we should always trust every word ever spoken by any public servant...silly me for ever questioning an individual that is responsible for the educational environment and safe transport of over 180,000 children each school day.
My point is this, the $10-$12M put back in the CIP queue because Clifton was not renovated actually decreased to between $7-$9M because of the dollars needed to modify Fairview, Union Mill and Oak View to support the influx of students from Clifton. $7-$9M is about HALF of the historical renovation cost of an elementary school and about 10% of the costs to renovate a typical high school. Saying that WSHS or any other school for that matter got measurably closer to being renovated because of the Clifton Elementary closure only shows your lack of understanding of finance. You can't start a project for which you don't have 100% of the funding available.
> If so what gives you the "authority" to do
> so? I would like to hear what Mr. Tistadt has to
> say. I am tired of people like you complaining in
> an anonymous forum and doing nothing. Your posts
> are full of incorrect information and you continue
> with such babble--so now I am standing up to you.
> How does it feel?
Stand up all you want. Keep this up and I will gladly post the links to the data and timestamps of the School Board meetings and FOIA'd email content that covers who said what again.
Tistadt is paid by our tax dollars. He lies. Hate to break it to you, but public employees lie. Even in "pristine" Fairfax County. He withheld information regarding water quality data that he had HOURS before the meeting where the vote to close Clifton took place yet didn't release that information until the meeting was well under way. No, an honest man he must be because after all, how could he intentionally do such a thing? That is unfathomable to you I am certain.
>
> The school system has been behind on renovations
> for years, this is why capital dollars are
> reviewed so closely. If Clifton was not needed
> the money could go elsewhere on the renovation
> list. No brainer.
>
> Building a school at Liberty would not have helped
> that renovation list but it was an option and
> public input mattered. Why would a Board member
> have agreed to build a school at Liberty and spend
> that money for 2 communities against such a site
> and school? Better to close Clifton, take the
> heat, save the money and put it to other uses for
> other communities that appreciate it.
>
The above point I find humorous considering taxpayers have already spent $50M on a middle school set to open later this year that in less than 5 years will be at 60% capacity based on FCPS data presented by FPAC. Yep, that's a great use of construction funds there in an area clearly in tremendous need of additional classroom space. Wake up! Surrounding schools could have taken the overcrowded students from South County and a new Middle School would not have been needed. I keep hearing BRAC this and BRAC that is going to contribute to massive student population growth in that are....I don't buy it and clearly neither did someone at FCPS given the projections in the FPAC area of FCPS.edu for the 2016 school year.
> Clifton really lobbied well, didn't they? Stop
> your spin ---done with you and this thread
Aw shucks and I was just getting started here with you....
-------------------------------------------------------
> What is your point on bonding? WHSH did move up
> as did other projects, it was reported at a public
> meeting by Mr. Tistadt, so are you calling him a
> liar?
Well of course, we should always trust every word ever spoken by any public servant...silly me for ever questioning an individual that is responsible for the educational environment and safe transport of over 180,000 children each school day.
My point is this, the $10-$12M put back in the CIP queue because Clifton was not renovated actually decreased to between $7-$9M because of the dollars needed to modify Fairview, Union Mill and Oak View to support the influx of students from Clifton. $7-$9M is about HALF of the historical renovation cost of an elementary school and about 10% of the costs to renovate a typical high school. Saying that WSHS or any other school for that matter got measurably closer to being renovated because of the Clifton Elementary closure only shows your lack of understanding of finance. You can't start a project for which you don't have 100% of the funding available.
> If so what gives you the "authority" to do
> so? I would like to hear what Mr. Tistadt has to
> say. I am tired of people like you complaining in
> an anonymous forum and doing nothing. Your posts
> are full of incorrect information and you continue
> with such babble--so now I am standing up to you.
> How does it feel?
Stand up all you want. Keep this up and I will gladly post the links to the data and timestamps of the School Board meetings and FOIA'd email content that covers who said what again.
Tistadt is paid by our tax dollars. He lies. Hate to break it to you, but public employees lie. Even in "pristine" Fairfax County. He withheld information regarding water quality data that he had HOURS before the meeting where the vote to close Clifton took place yet didn't release that information until the meeting was well under way. No, an honest man he must be because after all, how could he intentionally do such a thing? That is unfathomable to you I am certain.
>
> The school system has been behind on renovations
> for years, this is why capital dollars are
> reviewed so closely. If Clifton was not needed
> the money could go elsewhere on the renovation
> list. No brainer.
>
> Building a school at Liberty would not have helped
> that renovation list but it was an option and
> public input mattered. Why would a Board member
> have agreed to build a school at Liberty and spend
> that money for 2 communities against such a site
> and school? Better to close Clifton, take the
> heat, save the money and put it to other uses for
> other communities that appreciate it.
>
The above point I find humorous considering taxpayers have already spent $50M on a middle school set to open later this year that in less than 5 years will be at 60% capacity based on FCPS data presented by FPAC. Yep, that's a great use of construction funds there in an area clearly in tremendous need of additional classroom space. Wake up! Surrounding schools could have taken the overcrowded students from South County and a new Middle School would not have been needed. I keep hearing BRAC this and BRAC that is going to contribute to massive student population growth in that are....I don't buy it and clearly neither did someone at FCPS given the projections in the FPAC area of FCPS.edu for the 2016 school year.
> Clifton really lobbied well, didn't they? Stop
> your spin ---done with you and this thread
Aw shucks and I was just getting started here with you....
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
gordonblvd5
()
Date: January 07, 2012 07:35AM
JUSTATAXPAYER is right. Probably a FCPS troll, I know they are paid to make comments on these sites and DO care alot even tho they profess to discredit (same as "rate my teachers" which is where you can get the only real unbiased account of teachers)...Clifton Elementary School was a much much much better school than any of the three new feeder elementary schools.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
do what's right
()
Date: January 07, 2012 08:01AM
BRAC is overrated given the budget cuts that are coming. Military is not growing now.
Best use of money would be to shore up schools that we do have like WSHS and Falls Church (which is under capacity). Also support staff---but not by killing their creativity with more ECart and testing. The top down management is out of control (and it starts with the feds). This district is not improving from an outcome point of view. More glitzy new schools do not equal student success. The teachers need to be supported with lower class size and RESPECT for what they do. They are the most important factor and they are being treated like crap. Sorry to say this, but it's true. When you treat them like idiots, you will get idiots applying for the job. When you badmouth them, you will not inspire. There is madness out there.
Best use of money would be to shore up schools that we do have like WSHS and Falls Church (which is under capacity). Also support staff---but not by killing their creativity with more ECart and testing. The top down management is out of control (and it starts with the feds). This district is not improving from an outcome point of view. More glitzy new schools do not equal student success. The teachers need to be supported with lower class size and RESPECT for what they do. They are the most important factor and they are being treated like crap. Sorry to say this, but it's true. When you treat them like idiots, you will get idiots applying for the job. When you badmouth them, you will not inspire. There is madness out there.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Facts Check
()
Date: January 07, 2012 12:53PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> no spin no lies Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What is your point on bonding? WHSH did move
> up
> > as did other projects, it was reported at a
> public
> > meeting by Mr. Tistadt, so are you calling him
> a
> > liar?
>
> Well of course, we should always trust every word
> ever spoken by any public servant...silly me for
> ever questioning an individual that is responsible
> for the educational environment and safe transport
> of over 180,000 children each school day.
>
> My point is this, the $10-$12M put back in the CIP
> queue because Clifton was not renovated actually
> decreased to between $7-$9M because of the dollars
> needed to modify Fairview, Union Mill and Oak View
> to support the influx of students from Clifton.
> $7-$9M is about HALF of the historical renovation
> cost of an elementary school and about 10% of the
> costs to renovate a typical high school. Saying
> that WSHS or any other school for that matter got
> measurably closer to being renovated because of
> the Clifton Elementary closure only shows your
> lack of understanding of finance. You can't start
> a project for which you don't have 100% of the
> funding available.
>
> > If so what gives you the "authority" to do
> > so? I would like to hear what Mr. Tistadt has
> to
> > say. I am tired of people like you complaining
> in
> > an anonymous forum and doing nothing. Your
> posts
> > are full of incorrect information and you
> continue
> > with such babble--so now I am standing up to
> you.
> > How does it feel?
>
> Stand up all you want. Keep this up and I will
> gladly post the links to the data and timestamps
> of the School Board meetings and FOIA'd email
> content that covers who said what again.
>
> Tistadt is paid by our tax dollars. He lies.
> Hate to break it to you, but public employees lie.
> Even in "pristine" Fairfax County. He withheld
> information regarding water quality data that he
> had HOURS before the meeting where the vote to
> close Clifton took place yet didn't release that
> information until the meeting was well under way.
> No, an honest man he must be because after all,
> how could he intentionally do such a thing? That
> is unfathomable to you I am certain.
>
> >
> > The school system has been behind on
> renovations
> > for years, this is why capital dollars are
> > reviewed so closely. If Clifton was not needed
> > the money could go elsewhere on the renovation
> > list. No brainer.
> >
> > Building a school at Liberty would not have
> helped
> > that renovation list but it was an option and
> > public input mattered. Why would a Board member
> > have agreed to build a school at Liberty and
> spend
> > that money for 2 communities against such a
> site
> > and school? Better to close Clifton, take the
> > heat, save the money and put it to other uses
> for
> > other communities that appreciate it.
> >
>
> The above point I find humorous considering
> taxpayers have already spent $50M on a middle
> school set to open later this year that in less
> than 5 years will be at 60% capacity based on FCPS
> data presented by FPAC. Yep, that's a great use
> of construction funds there in an area clearly in
> tremendous need of additional classroom space.
> Wake up! Surrounding schools could have taken the
> overcrowded students from South County and a new
> Middle School would not have been needed. I keep
> hearing BRAC this and BRAC that is going to
> contribute to massive student population growth in
> that are....I don't buy it and clearly neither did
> someone at FCPS given the projections in the FPAC
> area of FCPS.edu for the 2016 school year.
>
> > Clifton really lobbied well, didn't they? Stop
> > your spin ---done with you and this thread
>
> Aw shucks and I was just getting started here with
> you....
Please cite where the South County school cost $50 million.
-------------------------------------------------------
> no spin no lies Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What is your point on bonding? WHSH did move
> up
> > as did other projects, it was reported at a
> public
> > meeting by Mr. Tistadt, so are you calling him
> a
> > liar?
>
> Well of course, we should always trust every word
> ever spoken by any public servant...silly me for
> ever questioning an individual that is responsible
> for the educational environment and safe transport
> of over 180,000 children each school day.
>
> My point is this, the $10-$12M put back in the CIP
> queue because Clifton was not renovated actually
> decreased to between $7-$9M because of the dollars
> needed to modify Fairview, Union Mill and Oak View
> to support the influx of students from Clifton.
> $7-$9M is about HALF of the historical renovation
> cost of an elementary school and about 10% of the
> costs to renovate a typical high school. Saying
> that WSHS or any other school for that matter got
> measurably closer to being renovated because of
> the Clifton Elementary closure only shows your
> lack of understanding of finance. You can't start
> a project for which you don't have 100% of the
> funding available.
>
> > If so what gives you the "authority" to do
> > so? I would like to hear what Mr. Tistadt has
> to
> > say. I am tired of people like you complaining
> in
> > an anonymous forum and doing nothing. Your
> posts
> > are full of incorrect information and you
> continue
> > with such babble--so now I am standing up to
> you.
> > How does it feel?
>
> Stand up all you want. Keep this up and I will
> gladly post the links to the data and timestamps
> of the School Board meetings and FOIA'd email
> content that covers who said what again.
>
> Tistadt is paid by our tax dollars. He lies.
> Hate to break it to you, but public employees lie.
> Even in "pristine" Fairfax County. He withheld
> information regarding water quality data that he
> had HOURS before the meeting where the vote to
> close Clifton took place yet didn't release that
> information until the meeting was well under way.
> No, an honest man he must be because after all,
> how could he intentionally do such a thing? That
> is unfathomable to you I am certain.
>
> >
> > The school system has been behind on
> renovations
> > for years, this is why capital dollars are
> > reviewed so closely. If Clifton was not needed
> > the money could go elsewhere on the renovation
> > list. No brainer.
> >
> > Building a school at Liberty would not have
> helped
> > that renovation list but it was an option and
> > public input mattered. Why would a Board member
> > have agreed to build a school at Liberty and
> spend
> > that money for 2 communities against such a
> site
> > and school? Better to close Clifton, take the
> > heat, save the money and put it to other uses
> for
> > other communities that appreciate it.
> >
>
> The above point I find humorous considering
> taxpayers have already spent $50M on a middle
> school set to open later this year that in less
> than 5 years will be at 60% capacity based on FCPS
> data presented by FPAC. Yep, that's a great use
> of construction funds there in an area clearly in
> tremendous need of additional classroom space.
> Wake up! Surrounding schools could have taken the
> overcrowded students from South County and a new
> Middle School would not have been needed. I keep
> hearing BRAC this and BRAC that is going to
> contribute to massive student population growth in
> that are....I don't buy it and clearly neither did
> someone at FCPS given the projections in the FPAC
> area of FCPS.edu for the 2016 school year.
>
> > Clifton really lobbied well, didn't they? Stop
> > your spin ---done with you and this thread
>
> Aw shucks and I was just getting started here with
> you....
Please cite where the South County school cost $50 million.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 07, 2012 02:13PM
Facts Check Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Please cite where the South County school cost $50
> million.
I stand corrected after reviewing the 2011-16 CIP documents. Just short of $30M is the approximate figure for South County Middle. Still, with $30M, the county could have renovated 2 elementary schools in much more dire need of work than what South County needed from a "capacity" standpoint.
Reference point for future projected South County Middle and High School student populations from FPAC is located here:
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/fpac/UtilizationMaps.pdf (slides 14 and 15)
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Please cite where the South County school cost $50
> million.
I stand corrected after reviewing the 2011-16 CIP documents. Just short of $30M is the approximate figure for South County Middle. Still, with $30M, the county could have renovated 2 elementary schools in much more dire need of work than what South County needed from a "capacity" standpoint.
Reference point for future projected South County Middle and High School student populations from FPAC is located here:
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/fpac/UtilizationMaps.pdf (slides 14 and 15)
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Parent of SCSS
()
Date: January 07, 2012 02:52PM
Have your children spent years in an overcrowded school that was meant to be a high school with inadequate labs for middle school students, inadequate core facilities, etc.? The south county area has waited years for this school and worked hard to get such facilities in place for students and community infrastructure.
South County opened up over capacity, and then adding injury to insult the School Board overcrowded the school. So don't tell us and others the school is not needed.
You have no argument and you have no idea what our community has lived through and how we proactively sought resolutions. Perhaps you are just plain bitter because we worked in a manner that was not accusatory to those making the decisions and we were successful in our advocacy.
We deserve this school and have no doubt it will be full. They have already made it a special education center and an AAP center, both of which are very much needed. Stop your continued hate for our area. Must be the water in your are that brings about such hate.
South County opened up over capacity, and then adding injury to insult the School Board overcrowded the school. So don't tell us and others the school is not needed.
You have no argument and you have no idea what our community has lived through and how we proactively sought resolutions. Perhaps you are just plain bitter because we worked in a manner that was not accusatory to those making the decisions and we were successful in our advocacy.
We deserve this school and have no doubt it will be full. They have already made it a special education center and an AAP center, both of which are very much needed. Stop your continued hate for our area. Must be the water in your are that brings about such hate.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Facts Check
()
Date: January 07, 2012 02:59PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Facts Check Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Please cite where the South County school cost
> $50
> > million.
>
> I stand corrected after reviewing the 2011-16 CIP
> documents. Just short of $30M is the approximate
> figure for South County Middle. Still, with $30M,
> the county could have renovated 2 elementary
> schools in much more dire need of work than what
> South County needed from a "capacity" standpoint.
>
> Reference point for future projected South County
> Middle and High School student populations from
> FPAC is located here:
>
> http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/fpac/UtilizationM
> aps.pdf (slides 14 and 15)
Thank you for standing corrected. You should limit your commentary to things you actually know to avoid further embarassment.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Facts Check Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Please cite where the South County school cost
> $50
> > million.
>
> I stand corrected after reviewing the 2011-16 CIP
> documents. Just short of $30M is the approximate
> figure for South County Middle. Still, with $30M,
> the county could have renovated 2 elementary
> schools in much more dire need of work than what
> South County needed from a "capacity" standpoint.
>
> Reference point for future projected South County
> Middle and High School student populations from
> FPAC is located here:
>
> http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/fpac/UtilizationM
> aps.pdf (slides 14 and 15)
Thank you for standing corrected. You should limit your commentary to things you actually know to avoid further embarassment.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
dell ave
()
Date: January 07, 2012 04:00PM
wow Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> today i learned people in clifton are...kind of
> racist. maybe more diverse schools dont always out
> perform segregated...erm..."less diverse"
> schools...but at least more of those kids won't
> grow up to be racist assholes like their parents
> probably are.
>
> half the people in clifton make me sick. just
> because you're blessed with a lot of money you
> look down on everyone else. if you want your kid
> to be a snob and go to a school with a 1:5
> teacher-student ratio, send them to a private
> school. that way they can be just like mommy and
> daddy.
I laugh to myself when I see the little clifton misfits getting on the bus in the mornings. Their parents may be swimming in lake "ME" but some of the kids will be saved from the foul example their selfish parents are setting for them. Sending them to school with normal children was the right thing to do.
-------------------------------------------------------
> today i learned people in clifton are...kind of
> racist. maybe more diverse schools dont always out
> perform segregated...erm..."less diverse"
> schools...but at least more of those kids won't
> grow up to be racist assholes like their parents
> probably are.
>
> half the people in clifton make me sick. just
> because you're blessed with a lot of money you
> look down on everyone else. if you want your kid
> to be a snob and go to a school with a 1:5
> teacher-student ratio, send them to a private
> school. that way they can be just like mommy and
> daddy.
I laugh to myself when I see the little clifton misfits getting on the bus in the mornings. Their parents may be swimming in lake "ME" but some of the kids will be saved from the foul example their selfish parents are setting for them. Sending them to school with normal children was the right thing to do.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Dell Ave is a pervert
()
Date: January 07, 2012 05:03PM
Calling Clifton children misfits is downright mean. I am also worried about you watching our kids every morning. You are a creepy pervert.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the taxpayer
()
Date: January 07, 2012 06:36PM
Parent of SCSS Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Have your children spent years in an overcrowded
> school that was meant to be a high school with
> inadequate labs for middle school students,
> inadequate core facilities, etc.? The south
> county area has waited years for this school and
> worked hard to get such facilities in place for
> students and community infrastructure.
>
> South County opened up over capacity, and then
> adding injury to insult the School Board
> overcrowded the school. So don't tell us and
> others the school is not needed.
>
> You have no argument and you have no idea what our
> community has lived through and how we proactively
> sought resolutions. Perhaps you are just plain
> bitter because we worked in a manner that was not
> accusatory to those making the decisions and we
> were successful in our advocacy.
>
> We deserve this school and have no doubt it will
> be full. They have already made it a special
> education center and an AAP center, both of which
> are very much needed. Stop your continued hate
> for our area. Must be the water in your are that
> brings about such hate.
But, but you're not in Clifton! How dare you receive needed facilities.
Thanks for your post, it will fall on the self entitled deaf ears of the Clifton supporters here. Most likely they'll call you Liz, or Dale, or a FCPS clone since they have the blinders on.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Have your children spent years in an overcrowded
> school that was meant to be a high school with
> inadequate labs for middle school students,
> inadequate core facilities, etc.? The south
> county area has waited years for this school and
> worked hard to get such facilities in place for
> students and community infrastructure.
>
> South County opened up over capacity, and then
> adding injury to insult the School Board
> overcrowded the school. So don't tell us and
> others the school is not needed.
>
> You have no argument and you have no idea what our
> community has lived through and how we proactively
> sought resolutions. Perhaps you are just plain
> bitter because we worked in a manner that was not
> accusatory to those making the decisions and we
> were successful in our advocacy.
>
> We deserve this school and have no doubt it will
> be full. They have already made it a special
> education center and an AAP center, both of which
> are very much needed. Stop your continued hate
> for our area. Must be the water in your are that
> brings about such hate.
But, but you're not in Clifton! How dare you receive needed facilities.
Thanks for your post, it will fall on the self entitled deaf ears of the Clifton supporters here. Most likely they'll call you Liz, or Dale, or a FCPS clone since they have the blinders on.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
The taxpayer is
()
Date: January 07, 2012 06:41PM
Is Liz. Or just an asshole. I thought you said you were leaving too.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 07, 2012 06:58PM
Parent of SCSS Wrote:
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> Have your children spent years in an overcrowded
> school that was meant to be a high school with
> inadequate labs for middle school students,
> inadequate core facilities, etc.? The south
> county area has waited years for this school and
> worked hard to get such facilities in place for
> students and community infrastructure.
>
> South County opened up over capacity, and then
> adding injury to insult the School Board
> overcrowded the school. So don't tell us and
> others the school is not needed.
>
> You have no argument and you have no idea what our
> community has lived through and how we proactively
> sought resolutions. Perhaps you are just plain
> bitter because we worked in a manner that was not
> accusatory to those making the decisions and we
> were successful in our advocacy.
>
> We deserve this school and have no doubt it will
> be full. They have already made it a special
> education center and an AAP center, both of which
> are very much needed. Stop your continued hate
> for our area. Must be the water in your are that
> brings about such hate.
Why no, until this year my child attended a 95% capacity school with a tremendous staff and community feel yet now that is all gone. Don't blame me that Fairfax County didn't have foresight enough to plan for this overwhelming demand of educational space when Lorton Prison closed. FCPS screwed up and did not adequately address your situation fast enough. Students from South County could have been rezoned very easily to schools with capacity but none of you wanted to hear that. You wanted your own school....which by the way I wouldn't get too attached to as you don't own that school, FCPS does and they can and will do whatever the heck they want with it...remember, the school board knows what is best for your child better than even you do. The only solution for your community based on the views of your neighbors was a new school.
I do know that many in your community including our previous school board member said a community school was needed in that area because of inadequate facilities and LONG bus rides to Hayfield Secondary school. I also know that your community many times had members that stated they simply did not want their Lorton Station children attending school with the likes of those attending Hayfield.
I don't hate you, I am simply making a point that the same rules don't apply to all as has been evidenced by the future lack of demand for school facilities. A 60% occupied middle school when surrounding schools - Lake Braddock, Hayfield and Robinson could absorb the students makes more sense instead of spending precious construction funds elsewhere.
I know didn't, but now do know the pain of having elementary aged children on a school bus 1 hour each way to school when previously they spent less than 20 minutes. I also know the challenges that 800+ student elementary schools have and the programs they can't support because they are just too big. While I and others have experinced greater hardships than prior years brought you will be getting your new school where I bet classrooms will sit unused for years with rooms in the high school becoming empty as well. Congrats on sucking money out of the system while others in the county endure 135%+ capacity challenges and have no neighboring schools with any space either.
Entitled much?
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> Have your children spent years in an overcrowded
> school that was meant to be a high school with
> inadequate labs for middle school students,
> inadequate core facilities, etc.? The south
> county area has waited years for this school and
> worked hard to get such facilities in place for
> students and community infrastructure.
>
> South County opened up over capacity, and then
> adding injury to insult the School Board
> overcrowded the school. So don't tell us and
> others the school is not needed.
>
> You have no argument and you have no idea what our
> community has lived through and how we proactively
> sought resolutions. Perhaps you are just plain
> bitter because we worked in a manner that was not
> accusatory to those making the decisions and we
> were successful in our advocacy.
>
> We deserve this school and have no doubt it will
> be full. They have already made it a special
> education center and an AAP center, both of which
> are very much needed. Stop your continued hate
> for our area. Must be the water in your are that
> brings about such hate.
Why no, until this year my child attended a 95% capacity school with a tremendous staff and community feel yet now that is all gone. Don't blame me that Fairfax County didn't have foresight enough to plan for this overwhelming demand of educational space when Lorton Prison closed. FCPS screwed up and did not adequately address your situation fast enough. Students from South County could have been rezoned very easily to schools with capacity but none of you wanted to hear that. You wanted your own school....which by the way I wouldn't get too attached to as you don't own that school, FCPS does and they can and will do whatever the heck they want with it...remember, the school board knows what is best for your child better than even you do. The only solution for your community based on the views of your neighbors was a new school.
I do know that many in your community including our previous school board member said a community school was needed in that area because of inadequate facilities and LONG bus rides to Hayfield Secondary school. I also know that your community many times had members that stated they simply did not want their Lorton Station children attending school with the likes of those attending Hayfield.
I don't hate you, I am simply making a point that the same rules don't apply to all as has been evidenced by the future lack of demand for school facilities. A 60% occupied middle school when surrounding schools - Lake Braddock, Hayfield and Robinson could absorb the students makes more sense instead of spending precious construction funds elsewhere.
I know didn't, but now do know the pain of having elementary aged children on a school bus 1 hour each way to school when previously they spent less than 20 minutes. I also know the challenges that 800+ student elementary schools have and the programs they can't support because they are just too big. While I and others have experinced greater hardships than prior years brought you will be getting your new school where I bet classrooms will sit unused for years with rooms in the high school becoming empty as well. Congrats on sucking money out of the system while others in the county endure 135%+ capacity challenges and have no neighboring schools with any space either.
Entitled much?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
justataxpayer is 100% correct
()
Date: January 08, 2012 09:36AM
Thank you justataxpayer!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Facts Check
()
Date: January 08, 2012 10:25AM
Juatataxpayer isn't even close to 100% correct. See my previous post.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 08, 2012 10:41AM
I missed one item and owned up to it. Much unlike others I have encountered in the process. Dean, Liz, Stu and the list goes on....
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Parent of SCSS
()
Date: January 08, 2012 10:53AM
Justataxpayor IS INCORRECT AGAIN
Those residing in the South County area were proud of going to Hayfield so let's get that straight.
Our previous School Board member worked with the entire community for changes, you don't like her because she told you and others that you are part of this county and there are no public "private" schools.
We received these schools because of need. Students in Clifton, many of whom live closer to the ESs they now go to are going to these schools because Clifton had too many issues causing too many dollars for renovation for too few students. I read the paper and saw some great remarks from Tim Hugo and others. Great pillars of the community who don't even send their kids to public schools, of course their choice. Perhaps if more people in your area sent their kids to public schools you would have the needed enrollment to keep your school going?
The middle school at Lake Braddock is the largest in the county with about 90% capacity and 1450 students, Irving at 88% and Robinson is at 108% capacity. What you think is room does not address enough room for South County students, furthermore you are being very short sighted and not realizing the severe capacity issues at Fairfax HS which will impact Robinson and have a trickle down affect. Yes, I stay involved as a parent and read the new Facilities Planning Advisory Council report. We know there will be a major boundary study to assist Fairfax and it will have implications for many schools and communities--we, as a community have been there many times before.
Really, you are spouting off crap without looking at the bigger picture which seems per usual for you.
Those residing in the South County area were proud of going to Hayfield so let's get that straight.
Our previous School Board member worked with the entire community for changes, you don't like her because she told you and others that you are part of this county and there are no public "private" schools.
We received these schools because of need. Students in Clifton, many of whom live closer to the ESs they now go to are going to these schools because Clifton had too many issues causing too many dollars for renovation for too few students. I read the paper and saw some great remarks from Tim Hugo and others. Great pillars of the community who don't even send their kids to public schools, of course their choice. Perhaps if more people in your area sent their kids to public schools you would have the needed enrollment to keep your school going?
The middle school at Lake Braddock is the largest in the county with about 90% capacity and 1450 students, Irving at 88% and Robinson is at 108% capacity. What you think is room does not address enough room for South County students, furthermore you are being very short sighted and not realizing the severe capacity issues at Fairfax HS which will impact Robinson and have a trickle down affect. Yes, I stay involved as a parent and read the new Facilities Planning Advisory Council report. We know there will be a major boundary study to assist Fairfax and it will have implications for many schools and communities--we, as a community have been there many times before.
Really, you are spouting off crap without looking at the bigger picture which seems per usual for you.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
SCSS is WRONG or a troll
()
Date: January 08, 2012 11:07AM
I do not know one child in Clifton who is now closer to their new ES. So many statements that you have made are wrong. I can't even go over your entire post Where are you getting your facts?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Facts Check
()
Date: January 08, 2012 11:20AM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> I missed one item and owned up to it. Much unlike
> others I have encountered in the process. Dean,
> Liz, Stu and the list goes on....
Here is number #2.
"A 60% occupied middle school when surrounding schools - Lake Braddock, Hayfield and Robinson could absorb the students makes more sense instead of spending precious construction funds elsewhere."
Lake Braddock and Robinson dont have the room at the middle school level. Period. When your kids get to Robinson you will understand. We dont want more kids here.
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> I missed one item and owned up to it. Much unlike
> others I have encountered in the process. Dean,
> Liz, Stu and the list goes on....
Here is number #2.
"A 60% occupied middle school when surrounding schools - Lake Braddock, Hayfield and Robinson could absorb the students makes more sense instead of spending precious construction funds elsewhere."
Lake Braddock and Robinson dont have the room at the middle school level. Period. When your kids get to Robinson you will understand. We dont want more kids here.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Parent of SCSS
()
Date: January 08, 2012 11:40AM
Thanks Fact Check appreciate your back-up.
As for the statement from the troll:
"I do not know one child in Clifton who is now closer to their new ES. So many statements that you have made are wrong. I can't even go over your entire post Where are you getting your facts?"
Oh let's see look at all the students from Deveraux Station area, Popes Head Road communities and Yates Ford Road and elswehere, they are closer to their schools than Clfiton ES. Look when you live in a community that is isolated from commerce you understand or should that commuting time will be longer. Examples: Great Falls, Mason Neck. SHOULD I REMIND YOU THERE WERE NO WALKERS TO CLIFTON? Per Mr. Dean Tistadt, COO of FCPS.
As for the statement from the troll:
"I do not know one child in Clifton who is now closer to their new ES. So many statements that you have made are wrong. I can't even go over your entire post Where are you getting your facts?"
Oh let's see look at all the students from Deveraux Station area, Popes Head Road communities and Yates Ford Road and elswehere, they are closer to their schools than Clfiton ES. Look when you live in a community that is isolated from commerce you understand or should that commuting time will be longer. Examples: Great Falls, Mason Neck. SHOULD I REMIND YOU THERE WERE NO WALKERS TO CLIFTON? Per Mr. Dean Tistadt, COO of FCPS.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
parent off of Yates Ford Rd
()
Date: January 08, 2012 02:08PM
Parent of SCSS is WRONG. My child is on the bus a lot longer now. I agree that you need to get your facts straight.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
parent of scss
()
Date: January 08, 2012 02:46PM
Yates Ford Road closer to 123 not down by Manassas.
Let's be sure the public knows about Yates Ford Road in its entirety. Also, let's not forget new bussing effieciencies which take place every year.
Let's be sure the public knows about Yates Ford Road in its entirety. Also, let's not forget new bussing effieciencies which take place every year.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 08, 2012 03:17PM
parent of scss Wrote:
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> Yates Ford Road closer to 123 not down by
> Manassas.
>
> Let's be sure the public knows about Yates Ford
> Road in its entirety. Also, let's not forget new
> bussing effieciencies which take place every year.
Um, the VAST MAJORITY of students are attending schools FURTHER from them than Clifton Elementary. If you call not getting bus routes squared away until after Thanksgiving break for students at Fairview, then you are not too bright. Oh and students DID walk to Clifton Elementary. Drive in front of the school and look at the houses that share side/back yards with the parking lot and left aide of the school. Those students WALKED to school. Facts much? Oh, and DEAN WAS WRONG.
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> Yates Ford Road closer to 123 not down by
> Manassas.
>
> Let's be sure the public knows about Yates Ford
> Road in its entirety. Also, let's not forget new
> bussing effieciencies which take place every year.
Um, the VAST MAJORITY of students are attending schools FURTHER from them than Clifton Elementary. If you call not getting bus routes squared away until after Thanksgiving break for students at Fairview, then you are not too bright. Oh and students DID walk to Clifton Elementary. Drive in front of the school and look at the houses that share side/back yards with the parking lot and left aide of the school. Those students WALKED to school. Facts much? Oh, and DEAN WAS WRONG.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Facts much?
()
Date: January 08, 2012 04:54PM
this is #3 for you:
Not so about the vast majority, if you look at the map you can see that for most it is ride neutral for some they have longer bus rides for others it is shorter. I believe the report presented showed that overall the averaage bus ride would remain the same.
No students walked-- at one time several years ago 3 students walked from the house you state. (Again, in one of the FAQs).
Welcome to Fairfax County about your bus route we all go through such situations and they are ultimately resolved. My you were pampered weren't you?
3 strikes and you are OUT!
Not so about the vast majority, if you look at the map you can see that for most it is ride neutral for some they have longer bus rides for others it is shorter. I believe the report presented showed that overall the averaage bus ride would remain the same.
No students walked-- at one time several years ago 3 students walked from the house you state. (Again, in one of the FAQs).
Welcome to Fairfax County about your bus route we all go through such situations and they are ultimately resolved. My you were pampered weren't you?
3 strikes and you are OUT!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
not in Clifton
()
Date: January 08, 2012 05:25PM
I do not live in Clifton. However, I know that the bus ride depends greatly on the route taken and the roads crossed. I went through the South Lakes redistricting.
From looking at the area and the maps from the redistricting, it would appear that the kids who drew schools on the other side of 123 from Clifton are crossing into heavy traffic patterns that are greatly affected by commuting traffic. Prior to the redistricting, I would imagine that the buses did not have to deal with a lot of traffic to get to Clifton. Also, how many stops do the buses make?
We chose our neighborhood so that our kids could walk to school. That was important to me--but the SB does not always make decisions based on that. I wanted my kids to have short commutes--but look what Kathy Smith did: she took kids who lived about a mile from Chantilly and moved them to Oakton! And, now South Lakes is about to be overcrowded. Go figure.
Funny how during the South Lakes redistricting, 2000 was optimum for high school--but now the SB wants elementary schools greater than 1000. It defies common sense.
From looking at the area and the maps from the redistricting, it would appear that the kids who drew schools on the other side of 123 from Clifton are crossing into heavy traffic patterns that are greatly affected by commuting traffic. Prior to the redistricting, I would imagine that the buses did not have to deal with a lot of traffic to get to Clifton. Also, how many stops do the buses make?
We chose our neighborhood so that our kids could walk to school. That was important to me--but the SB does not always make decisions based on that. I wanted my kids to have short commutes--but look what Kathy Smith did: she took kids who lived about a mile from Chantilly and moved them to Oakton! And, now South Lakes is about to be overcrowded. Go figure.
Funny how during the South Lakes redistricting, 2000 was optimum for high school--but now the SB wants elementary schools greater than 1000. It defies common sense.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Interesting points
()
Date: January 08, 2012 05:38PM
Not in Clifton--you do raise some good comments.
The Clifton school took students from Clifton and Fairfax Station. All those area roads are for the most part 2 lanes, some places fairly narrow and in some places dangerous.
There are many from the Springfield, Burke and Fairfax Station area who cut through these roads to get to Manassas and PW County in the morning. So there is a bit of traffice on these roads and the busses stop on these roads. There are neighborhoods but not many and all again, for the most part are 5 acre, so there is distance between houses. Those traveling to their new schools near 123 will eventually get out to 123 which is 4 lanes. The buses can't be on 123 for more than a mile or 2 because the schools are close to the intersections taken to get onto 123. So really not much impact in terms of time on 123. For those around where I live 123 tends to back up by Fairfax Country Club, these students are not in that traffic.
I believe the SB said they try to look at available walkers, I heard one member say that was important during all of this controversy. I hope our ESs do not go over 1000 or close to it, that is too big!
The Clifton school took students from Clifton and Fairfax Station. All those area roads are for the most part 2 lanes, some places fairly narrow and in some places dangerous.
There are many from the Springfield, Burke and Fairfax Station area who cut through these roads to get to Manassas and PW County in the morning. So there is a bit of traffice on these roads and the busses stop on these roads. There are neighborhoods but not many and all again, for the most part are 5 acre, so there is distance between houses. Those traveling to their new schools near 123 will eventually get out to 123 which is 4 lanes. The buses can't be on 123 for more than a mile or 2 because the schools are close to the intersections taken to get onto 123. So really not much impact in terms of time on 123. For those around where I live 123 tends to back up by Fairfax Country Club, these students are not in that traffic.
I believe the SB said they try to look at available walkers, I heard one member say that was important during all of this controversy. I hope our ESs do not go over 1000 or close to it, that is too big!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Clifton parent
()
Date: January 08, 2012 06:25PM
Every child in my development off of Henderson Rd now rides the bus TWICE as long since they started going to Fairview ES.
Just looking at a FCPS map and stating as fact the bus times they projected is not correct. The bus times they have are WRONG.
I do not have one friend who has a child with a shorter bus ride. All of them are now on the bus longer.
Please get your facts right.
Just looking at a FCPS map and stating as fact the bus times they projected is not correct. The bus times they have are WRONG.
I do not have one friend who has a child with a shorter bus ride. All of them are now on the bus longer.
Please get your facts right.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 08, 2012 06:59PM
Facts much? Wrote:
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> this is #3 for you:
>
> Not so about the vast majority, if you look at the
> map you can see that for most it is ride neutral
> for some they have longer bus rides for others it
> is shorter. I believe the report presented showed
> that overall the averaage bus ride would remain
> the same.
>
> No students walked-- at one time several years ago
> 3 students walked from the house you state.
> (Again, in one of the FAQs).
>
> Welcome to Fairfax County about your bus route we
> all go through such situations and they are
> ultimately resolved. My you were pampered weren't
> you?
>
> 3 strikes and you are OUT!
Hmm...I and others actually are living reality right now and did the same when Clifton Elementary was open. The facts associated with bus rides As stated by FCPS WERE WRONG. No bus at Clifton Elementary had a route that was longer than 35 minutes and many had routes as short as 20 so for FCPS to state an average in the mid to upper 30s is impossible. But then again if I believed everything that FCPS stated I could see your point. My point is THEY WERE WRONG and had no interest in hearing what reality was because it would detract from the objective of getting the school closed. My child used to have a 15 minute bus ride to a school within a couple of miles of my home. Now they have a 45 minute ride that even drives them past the entrance of Clifton Elementary some days depending on the traffic at other points on the route. Oh, and their new school is over a mile further away than Clifton Elementary was. Add to that the fact that no students attending Clifton Elementary had to even go through a traffic light on their routes and you can see the only impediments to travel would be the occasional cyclist on the two lane roads.
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> this is #3 for you:
>
> Not so about the vast majority, if you look at the
> map you can see that for most it is ride neutral
> for some they have longer bus rides for others it
> is shorter. I believe the report presented showed
> that overall the averaage bus ride would remain
> the same.
>
> No students walked-- at one time several years ago
> 3 students walked from the house you state.
> (Again, in one of the FAQs).
>
> Welcome to Fairfax County about your bus route we
> all go through such situations and they are
> ultimately resolved. My you were pampered weren't
> you?
>
> 3 strikes and you are OUT!
Hmm...I and others actually are living reality right now and did the same when Clifton Elementary was open. The facts associated with bus rides As stated by FCPS WERE WRONG. No bus at Clifton Elementary had a route that was longer than 35 minutes and many had routes as short as 20 so for FCPS to state an average in the mid to upper 30s is impossible. But then again if I believed everything that FCPS stated I could see your point. My point is THEY WERE WRONG and had no interest in hearing what reality was because it would detract from the objective of getting the school closed. My child used to have a 15 minute bus ride to a school within a couple of miles of my home. Now they have a 45 minute ride that even drives them past the entrance of Clifton Elementary some days depending on the traffic at other points on the route. Oh, and their new school is over a mile further away than Clifton Elementary was. Add to that the fact that no students attending Clifton Elementary had to even go through a traffic light on their routes and you can see the only impediments to travel would be the occasional cyclist on the two lane roads.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 08, 2012 07:06PM
Facts Check Wrote:
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> Justataxpayer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I missed one item and owned up to it. Much
> unlike
> > others I have encountered in the process.
> Dean,
> > Liz, Stu and the list goes on....
>
> Here is number #2.
>
> "A 60% occupied middle school when surrounding
> schools - Lake Braddock, Hayfield and Robinson
> could absorb the students makes more sense instead
> of spending precious construction funds
> elsewhere."
>
> Lake Braddock and Robinson dont have the room at
> the middle school level. Period. When your kids
> get to Robinson you will understand. We dont want
> more kids here.
See, if you had read my statements you would see that I was talking about FUTURE enrollment at the schools which is exactly what was used to close Clifton Elementary. And I take exception to your statements about Robinson as the 2 classes in the middle school there have about 100 or so fewer students or more than prior classes so there IS room and based on the stellar projections of FCPS the gap in enrollment and available space should only grow at all 3 schools over time. Not a wise use of funds to have all that available space now is it?
So I refute your rebuttal of this one. Still only off on 1 so far, and again I owned up to that one.
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> Justataxpayer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I missed one item and owned up to it. Much
> unlike
> > others I have encountered in the process.
> Dean,
> > Liz, Stu and the list goes on....
>
> Here is number #2.
>
> "A 60% occupied middle school when surrounding
> schools - Lake Braddock, Hayfield and Robinson
> could absorb the students makes more sense instead
> of spending precious construction funds
> elsewhere."
>
> Lake Braddock and Robinson dont have the room at
> the middle school level. Period. When your kids
> get to Robinson you will understand. We dont want
> more kids here.
See, if you had read my statements you would see that I was talking about FUTURE enrollment at the schools which is exactly what was used to close Clifton Elementary. And I take exception to your statements about Robinson as the 2 classes in the middle school there have about 100 or so fewer students or more than prior classes so there IS room and based on the stellar projections of FCPS the gap in enrollment and available space should only grow at all 3 schools over time. Not a wise use of funds to have all that available space now is it?
So I refute your rebuttal of this one. Still only off on 1 so far, and again I owned up to that one.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Simply incorrect
()
Date: January 08, 2012 07:45PM
According to this year's CIP Robinson is overcapacity, the number of students is recorded in the CIP for your FYI. Robinson has little room at this time for additional students look at the CIP #s.
Are you suggesting moving SCSS students to Hayfield? That isn't going to happen. Perhaps Clifton should be moved to SCSS since you claim the room is there. I am sure you will enjoy the school and its many offerings.
You have struck out.
Hate to say it by I am bored by your amateur knowledge. This was fun but really you need a life.
Are you suggesting moving SCSS students to Hayfield? That isn't going to happen. Perhaps Clifton should be moved to SCSS since you claim the room is there. I am sure you will enjoy the school and its many offerings.
You have struck out.
Hate to say it by I am bored by your amateur knowledge. This was fun but really you need a life.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
completely incorrect
()
Date: January 08, 2012 10:36PM
No former Clifton student is on a bus anywhere near 1 hour. That is complete bullshit. 35-40 minutes max.
The only bus runs that can be 1 hour (or more) are GT, magnet or TJHSST. But of course those are voluntary.
The only bus runs that can be 1 hour (or more) are GT, magnet or TJHSST. But of course those are voluntary.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 08, 2012 11:16PM
completely incorrect Wrote:
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> No former Clifton student is on a bus anywhere
> near 1 hour. That is complete bullshit. 35-40
> minutes max.
>
> The only bus runs that can be 1 hour (or more) are
> GT, magnet or TJHSST. But of course those are
> voluntary.
Don't tell that to any Fairview parents then. They have lived it and last I checked this was not an AAP transport item for children to attend Fairview. Buses double-back now on some of the routes and that has caused the bus travel times in some cases to extend to an hour. Things are marginally better following some adjustments made over 3 months after school started. Had anyone actually looked at what possible future bus routes would have been like and shared the actual data vs the BS we saw in the SW boundary process pehaps the light would have turned on somewhere and the students impacted would have had a MUCH smoother start to the school year. It was way too obvious that transportation had not planned out the routes very well prior to the start of this school year given the experiences of many at Fairview.
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> No former Clifton student is on a bus anywhere
> near 1 hour. That is complete bullshit. 35-40
> minutes max.
>
> The only bus runs that can be 1 hour (or more) are
> GT, magnet or TJHSST. But of course those are
> voluntary.
Don't tell that to any Fairview parents then. They have lived it and last I checked this was not an AAP transport item for children to attend Fairview. Buses double-back now on some of the routes and that has caused the bus travel times in some cases to extend to an hour. Things are marginally better following some adjustments made over 3 months after school started. Had anyone actually looked at what possible future bus routes would have been like and shared the actual data vs the BS we saw in the SW boundary process pehaps the light would have turned on somewhere and the students impacted would have had a MUCH smoother start to the school year. It was way too obvious that transportation had not planned out the routes very well prior to the start of this school year given the experiences of many at Fairview.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 08, 2012 11:25PM
Simply incorrect Wrote:
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> According to this year's CIP Robinson is
> overcapacity, the number of students is recorded
> in the CIP for your FYI. Robinson has little room
> at this time for additional students look at the
> CIP #s.
>
> Are you suggesting moving SCSS students to
> Hayfield? That isn't going to happen. Perhaps
> Clifton should be moved to SCSS since you claim
> the room is there. I am sure you will enjoy the
> school and its many offerings.
> You have struck out.
>
> Hate to say it by I am bored by your amateur
> knowledge. This was fun but really you need a
> life.
Why yes, I am suggesting that some South County students could in fact attend Hayfield again as they once did prior to SC opening. Hayfield is a nice facility following its renovations. Why could that not happen? Please explain why areas that once were in the Hayfield attendance area could not return?
And if you would actually read my post and comprehend it you would see that I have said surrounding schools could take on the SC Middle School population given FUTURE enrollment projections in that area. Any school projected to be at 60% capacity in 5 years should be reviewed for potential closure if surrounding facilities can absorb the populations.
Also, for those in SC, you could have taken the $10M addition option to modify SC to be a real secondary school but you would have none of that. You had to spend 3X that to get a middle school. And you people call Clifton folks entitled. Look in a mirror!
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> According to this year's CIP Robinson is
> overcapacity, the number of students is recorded
> in the CIP for your FYI. Robinson has little room
> at this time for additional students look at the
> CIP #s.
>
> Are you suggesting moving SCSS students to
> Hayfield? That isn't going to happen. Perhaps
> Clifton should be moved to SCSS since you claim
> the room is there. I am sure you will enjoy the
> school and its many offerings.
> You have struck out.
>
> Hate to say it by I am bored by your amateur
> knowledge. This was fun but really you need a
> life.
Why yes, I am suggesting that some South County students could in fact attend Hayfield again as they once did prior to SC opening. Hayfield is a nice facility following its renovations. Why could that not happen? Please explain why areas that once were in the Hayfield attendance area could not return?
And if you would actually read my post and comprehend it you would see that I have said surrounding schools could take on the SC Middle School population given FUTURE enrollment projections in that area. Any school projected to be at 60% capacity in 5 years should be reviewed for potential closure if surrounding facilities can absorb the populations.
Also, for those in SC, you could have taken the $10M addition option to modify SC to be a real secondary school but you would have none of that. You had to spend 3X that to get a middle school. And you people call Clifton folks entitled. Look in a mirror!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
factchecker
()
Date: January 09, 2012 08:12AM
ABSOLUTELY on the bus for more than one hour- clifton school students- I have four students and two are on the bus for more than one hour- to Rocky Run (last stop always) and even Robinson take more than one hour becuase last stop, do you even hear yourself, I am driving them all now.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Simply incorrect
()
Date: January 09, 2012 08:13AM
To Justataxpayor
No MS in the surrounding area will be at 60% capacity, again with your ? incorrect statements. Who are you, Schultz?
Your suggestions are humorous and self centered. No one from the SC area which includes Mason Neck, Lorton and Fairfax Station is going to go back to Hayfield due to pop., distance and the fact that there are capacity problems at West Potomac, Sandburg and Whitman, to include also West Springfield, Robinson, and others which have a trickled down effect.
Per your STORY of an addition --- SC was not built to be a seondary school. In fact when built the county told the public they were not going to build any more secondary schools. They are too big and not optimal. The seats for a middle school are needed, not just for geneeral ed pop but for special ed. Funny, you don't seem to be too upset about Robinson and the distance to that school????
When you end your comments I note you end with a cutting remark. The community of the south county worked hard, knew how to lobby and made their issue resonate with the decision makers. You did none of that.
No MS in the surrounding area will be at 60% capacity, again with your ? incorrect statements. Who are you, Schultz?
Your suggestions are humorous and self centered. No one from the SC area which includes Mason Neck, Lorton and Fairfax Station is going to go back to Hayfield due to pop., distance and the fact that there are capacity problems at West Potomac, Sandburg and Whitman, to include also West Springfield, Robinson, and others which have a trickled down effect.
Per your STORY of an addition --- SC was not built to be a seondary school. In fact when built the county told the public they were not going to build any more secondary schools. They are too big and not optimal. The seats for a middle school are needed, not just for geneeral ed pop but for special ed. Funny, you don't seem to be too upset about Robinson and the distance to that school????
When you end your comments I note you end with a cutting remark. The community of the south county worked hard, knew how to lobby and made their issue resonate with the decision makers. You did none of that.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
caught you!
()
Date: January 09, 2012 08:15AM
Hey Factchecker--
If you are going to Rocky Run then you are going to the GT school!
If you are going to Rocky Run then you are going to the GT school!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Longer bus times
()
Date: January 09, 2012 08:42AM
My child also is on the bus longer. I don't know why you will not believe this is a true statement. FCPS did no studies before they closed CES on transportion. Piss poor planning. Dean Tisdadt should be fired.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
fos
()
Date: January 09, 2012 09:59AM
caught you! Wrote:
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> Hey Factchecker--
>
> If you are going to Rocky Run then you are going
> to the GT school!
Yeah, and Rocky Run is a middle school, so this has nothing to do Clifton Elementary.
On the miniscule chance that your RR GT students get into TJ, you ain't seen nuthin yet. They ride two different buses to get to TJ.
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> Hey Factchecker--
>
> If you are going to Rocky Run then you are going
> to the GT school!
Yeah, and Rocky Run is a middle school, so this has nothing to do Clifton Elementary.
On the miniscule chance that your RR GT students get into TJ, you ain't seen nuthin yet. They ride two different buses to get to TJ.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the Taxpayer
()
Date: January 09, 2012 12:35PM
fos Wrote:
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>
> On the miniscule chance that your RR GT students
> get into TJ, you ain't seen nuthin yet. They ride
> two different buses to get to TJ.
But somehow that would be different.
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>
> On the miniscule chance that your RR GT students
> get into TJ, you ain't seen nuthin yet. They ride
> two different buses to get to TJ.
But somehow that would be different.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Facts Check
()
Date: January 09, 2012 01:16PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> Facts Check Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Justataxpayer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I missed one item and owned up to it. Much
> > unlike
> > > others I have encountered in the process.
> > Dean,
> > > Liz, Stu and the list goes on....
> >
> > Here is number #2.
> >
> > "A 60% occupied middle school when surrounding
> > schools - Lake Braddock, Hayfield and Robinson
> > could absorb the students makes more sense
> instead
> > of spending precious construction funds
> > elsewhere."
> >
> > Lake Braddock and Robinson dont have the room
> at
> > the middle school level. Period. When your
> kids
> > get to Robinson you will understand. We dont
> want
> > more kids here.
>
> See, if you had read my statements you would see
> that I was talking about FUTURE enrollment at the
> schools which is exactly what was used to close
> Clifton Elementary. And I take exception to your
> statements about Robinson as the 2 classes in the
> middle school there have about 100 or so fewer
> students or more than prior classes so there IS
> room and based on the stellar projections of FCPS
> the gap in enrollment and available space should
> only grow at all 3 schools over time. Not a wise
> use of funds to have all that available space now
> is it?
>
> So I refute your rebuttal of this one. Still only
> off on 1 so far, and again I owned up to that one.
Still 2 off. You contradict yourself my mentioning future projections and then sarcastically mentioning FCPS stellar projections.
Again, come to Robinson and look around. I know you are talking about future projections. There isn't room at Robinson and Braddock. Only Hayfield.
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> Facts Check Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Justataxpayer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I missed one item and owned up to it. Much
> > unlike
> > > others I have encountered in the process.
> > Dean,
> > > Liz, Stu and the list goes on....
> >
> > Here is number #2.
> >
> > "A 60% occupied middle school when surrounding
> > schools - Lake Braddock, Hayfield and Robinson
> > could absorb the students makes more sense
> instead
> > of spending precious construction funds
> > elsewhere."
> >
> > Lake Braddock and Robinson dont have the room
> at
> > the middle school level. Period. When your
> kids
> > get to Robinson you will understand. We dont
> want
> > more kids here.
>
> See, if you had read my statements you would see
> that I was talking about FUTURE enrollment at the
> schools which is exactly what was used to close
> Clifton Elementary. And I take exception to your
> statements about Robinson as the 2 classes in the
> middle school there have about 100 or so fewer
> students or more than prior classes so there IS
> room and based on the stellar projections of FCPS
> the gap in enrollment and available space should
> only grow at all 3 schools over time. Not a wise
> use of funds to have all that available space now
> is it?
>
> So I refute your rebuttal of this one. Still only
> off on 1 so far, and again I owned up to that one.
Still 2 off. You contradict yourself my mentioning future projections and then sarcastically mentioning FCPS stellar projections.
Again, come to Robinson and look around. I know you are talking about future projections. There isn't room at Robinson and Braddock. Only Hayfield.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
How crowded is Robinson?
()
Date: January 09, 2012 02:58PM
Is Robinson at max? How is the middle school? Thanks!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
at max
()
Date: January 09, 2012 03:17PM
Robinson is at max:
Current Enrollment
2719 HS
1142 MS
Building Capacity
2561 HS
1054 MS
Resource:2013 - 2017 CIP
Current Enrollment
2719 HS
1142 MS
Building Capacity
2561 HS
1054 MS
Resource:2013 - 2017 CIP
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
246 kids over max
()
Date: January 09, 2012 03:21PM
The old Clifton ES could take in 246 kids. Maybe make it into the Clifton middle school.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 09, 2012 04:26PM
at max Wrote:
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> Robinson is at max:
>
> Current Enrollment
> 2719 HS
> 1142 MS
>
> Building Capacity
> 2561 HS
> 1054 MS
>
> Resource:2013 - 2017 CIP
That is really intriguing considering the 7th and 8th grade classes at Robinson this year are nearly 200 students smaller in total than attended Robinson as recently as 5 years ago. I know the Middle School there has NOT LOST educational space so why the gap in capacity and enrollment?
Also, according to the Utilization Dashboard your building capacity numbers are wrong. I show 1,270 as the program capacity for Robinson Middle.
You are wrong.
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> Robinson is at max:
>
> Current Enrollment
> 2719 HS
> 1142 MS
>
> Building Capacity
> 2561 HS
> 1054 MS
>
> Resource:2013 - 2017 CIP
That is really intriguing considering the 7th and 8th grade classes at Robinson this year are nearly 200 students smaller in total than attended Robinson as recently as 5 years ago. I know the Middle School there has NOT LOST educational space so why the gap in capacity and enrollment?
Also, according to the Utilization Dashboard your building capacity numbers are wrong. I show 1,270 as the program capacity for Robinson Middle.
You are wrong.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
understanding capacity
()
Date: January 09, 2012 04:35PM
to Just a taxpayer, et.al.
FCPS (Tistadt) changes capacity of a building according to his future plans. Look at Westfield--when he wanted to spend the money on an addition, Westfield would have capacity of well over 3000--once it became a reality, Westfield really couldn't handle that many kids (probably true--they didn't expand cafeteria, gym, etc.)
I have always wondered about Tistadt and his motives since before South Lakes redistricting. FCPS story changes with the desires of staff and SB members. (One year, community schools are in, next year more opportunities are available at larger schools, etc.) It appears to me that a lot of this may have to do with justifying his construction management empire. Closing Clifton opened up a lot of construction--as did building South County Middle. It's all political--but in politics there is usually a payoff. What is his payoff? Keeping lots of people employed????? Worse?
WHY was Staff and Liz so anxious to close Clifton? It has to be more than moving west Springfield up the queue.
FCPS (Tistadt) changes capacity of a building according to his future plans. Look at Westfield--when he wanted to spend the money on an addition, Westfield would have capacity of well over 3000--once it became a reality, Westfield really couldn't handle that many kids (probably true--they didn't expand cafeteria, gym, etc.)
I have always wondered about Tistadt and his motives since before South Lakes redistricting. FCPS story changes with the desires of staff and SB members. (One year, community schools are in, next year more opportunities are available at larger schools, etc.) It appears to me that a lot of this may have to do with justifying his construction management empire. Closing Clifton opened up a lot of construction--as did building South County Middle. It's all political--but in politics there is usually a payoff. What is his payoff? Keeping lots of people employed????? Worse?
WHY was Staff and Liz so anxious to close Clifton? It has to be more than moving west Springfield up the queue.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
At Max
()
Date: January 09, 2012 04:43PM
Not wrong, simply stating what is in the CIP.
No one was anxious to close CES, the facts however proved closure. An option and savings occurred. You can disupute till the sun comes up but according to FCPS savings of several millions occurred and such savings were reallocated--like it or not. That is business and Liz was business, I saw her bio and you should have known that.
Capacity depends upon programming. Also how many trailers does Robinson have? According to the CIP they have 17 and a modular. The school is over capacity.
No one was anxious to close CES, the facts however proved closure. An option and savings occurred. You can disupute till the sun comes up but according to FCPS savings of several millions occurred and such savings were reallocated--like it or not. That is business and Liz was business, I saw her bio and you should have known that.
Capacity depends upon programming. Also how many trailers does Robinson have? According to the CIP they have 17 and a modular. The school is over capacity.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 09, 2012 04:44PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> at max Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Robinson is at max:
> >
> > Current Enrollment
> > 2719 HS
> > 1142 MS
> >
> > Building Capacity
> > 2561 HS
> > 1054 MS
> >
> > Resource:2013 - 2017 CIP
>
> That is really intriguing considering the 7th and
> 8th grade classes at Robinson this year are nearly
> 200 students smaller in total than attended
> Robinson as recently as 5 years ago. I know the
> Middle School there has NOT LOST educational space
> so why the gap in capacity and enrollment?
>
> Also, according to the Utilization Dashboard your
> building capacity numbers are wrong. I show 1,270
> as the program capacity for Robinson Middle.
>
> You are wrong.
Space for 216 students at Robinson Middle disappeared between September (Facility & Enrollment Dashboard - Fall 2011) and December (CIP). While I know there was a flood in the middle school at Robinson I also know the space was put back to use. Here is yet another example of FCPS not knowing what the truth is. How did space in a building reduce by over 8 classrooms in 3 months? These folks are horrible when it comes to data integrity. And to the poster of this data, you were correct in you numbers given the source but do you trust that source now that I showed you my source? Which by the way comes from the same department within FCPS.
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> at max Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Robinson is at max:
> >
> > Current Enrollment
> > 2719 HS
> > 1142 MS
> >
> > Building Capacity
> > 2561 HS
> > 1054 MS
> >
> > Resource:2013 - 2017 CIP
>
> That is really intriguing considering the 7th and
> 8th grade classes at Robinson this year are nearly
> 200 students smaller in total than attended
> Robinson as recently as 5 years ago. I know the
> Middle School there has NOT LOST educational space
> so why the gap in capacity and enrollment?
>
> Also, according to the Utilization Dashboard your
> building capacity numbers are wrong. I show 1,270
> as the program capacity for Robinson Middle.
>
> You are wrong.
Space for 216 students at Robinson Middle disappeared between September (Facility & Enrollment Dashboard - Fall 2011) and December (CIP). While I know there was a flood in the middle school at Robinson I also know the space was put back to use. Here is yet another example of FCPS not knowing what the truth is. How did space in a building reduce by over 8 classrooms in 3 months? These folks are horrible when it comes to data integrity. And to the poster of this data, you were correct in you numbers given the source but do you trust that source now that I showed you my source? Which by the way comes from the same department within FCPS.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 09, 2012 04:49PM
At Max Wrote:
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> Not wrong, simply stating what is in the CIP.
>
> No one was anxious to close CES, the facts however
> proved closure. An option and savings occurred.
> You can disupute till the sun comes up but
> according to FCPS savings of several millions
> occurred and such savings were reallocated--like
> it or not. That is business and Liz was business,
> I saw her bio and you should have known that.
> Capacity depends upon programming. Also how many
> trailers does Robinson have? According to the CIP
> they have 17 and a modular. The school is over
> capacity.
The savings were exaggerated. Staffing levels at schools receiving Clifton students in many cases increased to adjust for the added students. I highly doubt the operating costs on an annual basis were lower by more than $500,000, if that given the added time buses are on the roads and the infrastructure adds needed at the receiving schools.
Clearly you don't understand that here trailers become standard capacity over time. And at the Middle School level at Robinson only 2 show as being used in the dashboard on FCPS.edu. Find a school without a trailer and you have found a gem in the rough.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Not wrong, simply stating what is in the CIP.
>
> No one was anxious to close CES, the facts however
> proved closure. An option and savings occurred.
> You can disupute till the sun comes up but
> according to FCPS savings of several millions
> occurred and such savings were reallocated--like
> it or not. That is business and Liz was business,
> I saw her bio and you should have known that.
> Capacity depends upon programming. Also how many
> trailers does Robinson have? According to the CIP
> they have 17 and a modular. The school is over
> capacity.
The savings were exaggerated. Staffing levels at schools receiving Clifton students in many cases increased to adjust for the added students. I highly doubt the operating costs on an annual basis were lower by more than $500,000, if that given the added time buses are on the roads and the infrastructure adds needed at the receiving schools.
Clearly you don't understand that here trailers become standard capacity over time. And at the Middle School level at Robinson only 2 show as being used in the dashboard on FCPS.edu. Find a school without a trailer and you have found a gem in the rough.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Clifton had no trailers
()
Date: January 09, 2012 04:59PM
We will never know why they really closed Clifton. I believe it was to push up the numbers for the SOL's.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
I know
()
Date: January 09, 2012 07:15PM
Trailers do not become standard capacity, only modulars.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 09, 2012 08:54PM
I know Wrote:
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> Trailers do not become standard capacity, only
> modulars.
Figure of speech my friend. Once a trailer hits school grounds it stays there forever unless you have a renovation, then they leave temporarily only to return in 2 to 3 years. Oh and for new schools trailers show up before the new school opens except at South County Middle because there won't be enough students there to require trailers.
Since you know so much please explain away the discrepancies in capacity numbers for Robinson Middle between the CIP and the dashboard.
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> Trailers do not become standard capacity, only
> modulars.
Figure of speech my friend. Once a trailer hits school grounds it stays there forever unless you have a renovation, then they leave temporarily only to return in 2 to 3 years. Oh and for new schools trailers show up before the new school opens except at South County Middle because there won't be enough students there to require trailers.
Since you know so much please explain away the discrepancies in capacity numbers for Robinson Middle between the CIP and the dashboard.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 09, 2012 09:01PM
Justataxpayer is spot on!!! Too bad everyone else continues to drink the kook-aid supplied by FCPS and "staff".
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the Taxpayer
()
Date: January 10, 2012 12:55PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
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> Justataxpayer is spot on!!! Too bad everyone else
> continues to drink the kook-aid supplied by FCPS
> and "staff".
Are you two still going on about this? Look, it made fiscal sense to close the school, and we've been over this time after time with facts and proof. Yet the two of you keep coming back with your spin, lies and opinions. We understand that it was tough to lose your little school; it's time to move on. But you won't, and continue to waste money on lawyers by clinging to your FOIA suit.
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> Justataxpayer is spot on!!! Too bad everyone else
> continues to drink the kook-aid supplied by FCPS
> and "staff".
Are you two still going on about this? Look, it made fiscal sense to close the school, and we've been over this time after time with facts and proof. Yet the two of you keep coming back with your spin, lies and opinions. We understand that it was tough to lose your little school; it's time to move on. But you won't, and continue to waste money on lawyers by clinging to your FOIA suit.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 10, 2012 02:44PM
the Taxpayer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> herewegoagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Justataxpayer is spot on!!! Too bad everyone
> else
> > continues to drink the kook-aid supplied by
> FCPS
> > and "staff".
>
> Are you two still going on about this? Look, it
> made fiscal sense to close the school, and we've
> been over this time after time with facts and
> proof. Yet the two of you keep coming back with
> your spin, lies and opinions. We understand that
> it was tough to lose your little school; it's time
> to move on. But you won't, and continue to waste
> money on lawyers by clinging to your FOIA suit.
Let's be clear, Jill Hill filed the FOIA case and I am not her. I will say good on her trying to make sure public meetings remain public. If the School Board and FCPS staff were so above board on their actions, why would the state supreme court even hear the case?
My points continue to be associated with the very apparent fact that staff in the Transportation and Facilities department make data look however they want to match the wishes of Dean and Dr. Dale. How else can one explain all of the inconsistencies in reported capacities and enrollments? Unless a major overhaul has happened at a school since the start of the school year, I can't reasonably explain the loss of nearly 20% of the program capacity at Robinson. You have yet to explain or defend any of the arguments related to that topic which likely means you agree with me but are afraid to state that. What is the case?
And again as I have stated before, if my family had not experienced the great educational programs and staff/teacher/community blend that was Clifton Elementary we likely would not know the difference. But the reality is that we did and we now do know the difference and it is not the grandiose improvement with massively expanded educational opportunities that Mrs. Bradsher spoke of but could never detail. It has been a step backwards.
-------------------------------------------------------
> herewegoagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Justataxpayer is spot on!!! Too bad everyone
> else
> > continues to drink the kook-aid supplied by
> FCPS
> > and "staff".
>
> Are you two still going on about this? Look, it
> made fiscal sense to close the school, and we've
> been over this time after time with facts and
> proof. Yet the two of you keep coming back with
> your spin, lies and opinions. We understand that
> it was tough to lose your little school; it's time
> to move on. But you won't, and continue to waste
> money on lawyers by clinging to your FOIA suit.
Let's be clear, Jill Hill filed the FOIA case and I am not her. I will say good on her trying to make sure public meetings remain public. If the School Board and FCPS staff were so above board on their actions, why would the state supreme court even hear the case?
My points continue to be associated with the very apparent fact that staff in the Transportation and Facilities department make data look however they want to match the wishes of Dean and Dr. Dale. How else can one explain all of the inconsistencies in reported capacities and enrollments? Unless a major overhaul has happened at a school since the start of the school year, I can't reasonably explain the loss of nearly 20% of the program capacity at Robinson. You have yet to explain or defend any of the arguments related to that topic which likely means you agree with me but are afraid to state that. What is the case?
And again as I have stated before, if my family had not experienced the great educational programs and staff/teacher/community blend that was Clifton Elementary we likely would not know the difference. But the reality is that we did and we now do know the difference and it is not the grandiose improvement with massively expanded educational opportunities that Mrs. Bradsher spoke of but could never detail. It has been a step backwards.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
I agree
()
Date: January 10, 2012 03:18PM
I am also a former CES parent. Justataxpayer is 100% correct. He seems to be one of only a handful of people on this thread who make any sense. The rest are either haters or just copy and past what the FCPS web site tries to state as fact.
Since the closing of Clifton ES I have not seen an improvement in my kids education. The bus rides are longer, the classes are bigger and my kids have little if any homework.
Since the closing of Clifton ES I have not seen an improvement in my kids education. The bus rides are longer, the classes are bigger and my kids have little if any homework.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 10, 2012 03:38PM
Hey Liz,
Fiscal sense - blah, blah, blah. We have yet to see the proof of this "fiscal sense" or the imagined savings.
We've moved on, our kids have moved on, and now they are faced with activities at their new schools that they can't participate in because there are simply too many kids, with too little space, to allow EVERYONE to participate or certain activities just never happen at all. So much for your claims of "larger schools provide more opportunity".
Know what else some of our kids are dealing with now? How about hour long bus rides, or better yet, having to arrive at school 20-30 minutes early only to sit in the common space or their classrooms because there isn't enough room at the new schools to allow all of the buses to arrive at the same time. Therefore the bus arrivals have to be staggered so they're not waiting on busy roads to get into the parking lot. Even then, there is at least one bus from Burke that is late everyday. Yeah, that's efficient.
One of my personal favorite issues with the buses: the Clifton buses have to make multiple passes on the same road in order to pick up students on both sides of the route, so the bus is forced to back up into a main road in Clifton and the driver relies on the 6th graders in the back of the bus to tell him when it is safe to back up. That's what every parent wants their child responsible for on the bus - telling the driver when it's safe to back up! God help that child if an accident does occur and that child is left to bear that burden of guilt. But hey, as long as it saves a few bucks, it's okay!
During a meeting at Fairview with the transportation dept., a parent stated that these issues are just a few of the reasons Clifton asked for a transportation study before the decision to close CES was made. The reply from FCPS, "The only reason you asked for a transportation study was because you thought it would change the decision about Clifton. I'm telling you now, there is absolutely nothing that would have changed that decision". That is a direct quote, by the way. I take very detailed notes.
As for the continued waste of money on the FOIA suit - what's the matter, Liz? Worried that the supreme court might be on to something? They obviously found merit in the initial suit or they would not have granted the appeal. Time will only tell.
I find it very telling that you continue to try to defend the decision to close CES. Why do you still care if it was the right decision and you're at peace with it? Guilty conscience?
Fiscal sense - blah, blah, blah. We have yet to see the proof of this "fiscal sense" or the imagined savings.
We've moved on, our kids have moved on, and now they are faced with activities at their new schools that they can't participate in because there are simply too many kids, with too little space, to allow EVERYONE to participate or certain activities just never happen at all. So much for your claims of "larger schools provide more opportunity".
Know what else some of our kids are dealing with now? How about hour long bus rides, or better yet, having to arrive at school 20-30 minutes early only to sit in the common space or their classrooms because there isn't enough room at the new schools to allow all of the buses to arrive at the same time. Therefore the bus arrivals have to be staggered so they're not waiting on busy roads to get into the parking lot. Even then, there is at least one bus from Burke that is late everyday. Yeah, that's efficient.
One of my personal favorite issues with the buses: the Clifton buses have to make multiple passes on the same road in order to pick up students on both sides of the route, so the bus is forced to back up into a main road in Clifton and the driver relies on the 6th graders in the back of the bus to tell him when it is safe to back up. That's what every parent wants their child responsible for on the bus - telling the driver when it's safe to back up! God help that child if an accident does occur and that child is left to bear that burden of guilt. But hey, as long as it saves a few bucks, it's okay!
During a meeting at Fairview with the transportation dept., a parent stated that these issues are just a few of the reasons Clifton asked for a transportation study before the decision to close CES was made. The reply from FCPS, "The only reason you asked for a transportation study was because you thought it would change the decision about Clifton. I'm telling you now, there is absolutely nothing that would have changed that decision". That is a direct quote, by the way. I take very detailed notes.
As for the continued waste of money on the FOIA suit - what's the matter, Liz? Worried that the supreme court might be on to something? They obviously found merit in the initial suit or they would not have granted the appeal. Time will only tell.
I find it very telling that you continue to try to defend the decision to close CES. Why do you still care if it was the right decision and you're at peace with it? Guilty conscience?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
wrong again
()
Date: January 10, 2012 04:09PM
Not Liz so wrong again. Your baiting is piss poor.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 10, 2012 04:15PM
wrong again Wrote:
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> Not Liz so wrong again. Your baiting is piss
> poor.
Good to know you can answer that question, how about this one...
What educational opportunities have been given to the prior students from Clifton Elementary at their new schools that were not present at their prior school? The only program in existence at the receiving schools that was not available or able to be provided is SACC. And best of luck to any of the prior Clifton families of getting in off the waitlist at Union Mill, Fairview or Oak View. So seriously, what great programs that were not at Clifton are there now? I can tell you there were programs at Clifton that don't exist in the new schools therefore a step backwards in educational value...
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> Not Liz so wrong again. Your baiting is piss
> poor.
Good to know you can answer that question, how about this one...
What educational opportunities have been given to the prior students from Clifton Elementary at their new schools that were not present at their prior school? The only program in existence at the receiving schools that was not available or able to be provided is SACC. And best of luck to any of the prior Clifton families of getting in off the waitlist at Union Mill, Fairview or Oak View. So seriously, what great programs that were not at Clifton are there now? I can tell you there were programs at Clifton that don't exist in the new schools therefore a step backwards in educational value...
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
missing clifton
()
Date: January 10, 2012 04:45PM
Yes there are alot of programs that were at CES that aren't at the feeder elementary, the innovation fair, art in the schools, an active PTA. boy and girl scouts that are actually FROM the Clifton community. You people have these thing in your community schools (Little Rocky Run and Union Mill for example) but you specifically don't want Clifton to have a good school because you are seething in jealousy.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
wrong again
()
Date: January 10, 2012 04:50PM
You said you have moved on so MOVE ON.
Why continue with the same BS comments over and over? If you have moved on then do so and stop your whining and thinking that you deserve more than others.
Your community made 2 huge mistakes; #1 You forgot CES was a public school and #2 Apparently you thought you could use threats to make Bradsher change her mind.
You have only yourselves to blame.
Why continue with the same BS comments over and over? If you have moved on then do so and stop your whining and thinking that you deserve more than others.
Your community made 2 huge mistakes; #1 You forgot CES was a public school and #2 Apparently you thought you could use threats to make Bradsher change her mind.
You have only yourselves to blame.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 10, 2012 05:06PM
wrong again Wrote:
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> You said you have moved on so MOVE ON.
> Why continue with the same BS comments over and
> over? If you have moved on then do so and stop
> your whining and thinking that you deserve more
> than others.
>
> Your community made 2 huge mistakes; #1 You forgot
> CES was a public school and #2 Apparently you
> thought you could use threats to make Bradsher
> change her mind.
>
> You have only yourselves to blame.
Name one threat. Just one.
-------------------------------------------------------
> You said you have moved on so MOVE ON.
> Why continue with the same BS comments over and
> over? If you have moved on then do so and stop
> your whining and thinking that you deserve more
> than others.
>
> Your community made 2 huge mistakes; #1 You forgot
> CES was a public school and #2 Apparently you
> thought you could use threats to make Bradsher
> change her mind.
>
> You have only yourselves to blame.
Name one threat. Just one.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 10, 2012 05:19PM
wrong again Wrote:
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> You said you have moved on so MOVE ON.
> Why continue with the same BS comments over and
> over? If you have moved on then do so and stop
> your whining and thinking that you deserve more
> than others.
>
> Your community made 2 huge mistakes; #1 You forgot
> CES was a public school and #2 Apparently you
> thought you could use threats to make Bradsher
> change her mind.
>
> You have only yourselves to blame.
Three things for you:
1) Answer any of my prior questions about the continued lack of continuity in Facilities and Transportation capacity numbers.
2) Name one threat made to Mrs. Bradsher as well as the individual that made that threat prior to the vote.
3) With Mrs. Bradsher holding the southwestern elementary school community off indicating "I am working on something to buy time" while doing actually the complete opposite based on emails, how would you perceive her actions if she represented your community? Again, based on the statement made to the community with parallel efforts by email going in direct conflict to her statements to the public?
-------------------------------------------------------
> You said you have moved on so MOVE ON.
> Why continue with the same BS comments over and
> over? If you have moved on then do so and stop
> your whining and thinking that you deserve more
> than others.
>
> Your community made 2 huge mistakes; #1 You forgot
> CES was a public school and #2 Apparently you
> thought you could use threats to make Bradsher
> change her mind.
>
> You have only yourselves to blame.
Three things for you:
1) Answer any of my prior questions about the continued lack of continuity in Facilities and Transportation capacity numbers.
2) Name one threat made to Mrs. Bradsher as well as the individual that made that threat prior to the vote.
3) With Mrs. Bradsher holding the southwestern elementary school community off indicating "I am working on something to buy time" while doing actually the complete opposite based on emails, how would you perceive her actions if she represented your community? Again, based on the statement made to the community with parallel efforts by email going in direct conflict to her statements to the public?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Educational fail
()
Date: January 10, 2012 06:56PM
FCPS has no clue. If you were a parent from CES you would be mad too if your child had a longer bus time, bigger classes and fewer educational choices. We are not asking for anything extra. Shame on FCPS.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
know
()
Date: January 10, 2012 07:49PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
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> One of my personal favorite issues with the buses:
> the Clifton buses have to make multiple passes on
> the same road in order to pick up students on both
> sides of the route, so the bus is forced to back
> up into a main road in Clifton and the driver
> relies on the 6th graders in the back of the bus
> to tell him when it is safe to back up. That's
> what every parent wants their child responsible
> for on the bus - telling the driver when it's safe
> to back up! God help that child if an accident
> does occur and that child is left to bear that
> burden of guilt. But hey, as long as it saves a
> few bucks, it's okay!
Using students to "spot" when backing up is something that bus drivers are told to do. No student is required to spot and if they do, they certainly are not responsible for ANYTHING.
-------------------------------------------------------
> One of my personal favorite issues with the buses:
> the Clifton buses have to make multiple passes on
> the same road in order to pick up students on both
> sides of the route, so the bus is forced to back
> up into a main road in Clifton and the driver
> relies on the 6th graders in the back of the bus
> to tell him when it is safe to back up. That's
> what every parent wants their child responsible
> for on the bus - telling the driver when it's safe
> to back up! God help that child if an accident
> does occur and that child is left to bear that
> burden of guilt. But hey, as long as it saves a
> few bucks, it's okay!
Using students to "spot" when backing up is something that bus drivers are told to do. No student is required to spot and if they do, they certainly are not responsible for ANYTHING.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Just a Troll
()
Date: January 10, 2012 08:39PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> I know Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Trailers do not become standard capacity, only
> > modulars.
>
> Figure of speech my friend. Once a trailer hits
> school grounds it stays there forever unless you
> have a renovation, then they leave temporarily
> only to return in 2 to 3 years. Oh and for new
> schools trailers show up before the new school
> opens except at South County Middle because there
> won't be enough students there to require
> trailers.
>
> Since you know so much please explain away the
> discrepancies in capacity numbers for Robinson
> Middle between the CIP and the dashboard.
CIP numbers come out earlier and have usually use facility capacity. Program capacity is on dashboard and that is figured out later after classrooms programmed for use.
Also stop calling other people entitled. Suing someone and then forcing fellow citizens to pay the bill is probably the most entitled thing I have ever heard of
-------------------------------------------------------
> I know Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Trailers do not become standard capacity, only
> > modulars.
>
> Figure of speech my friend. Once a trailer hits
> school grounds it stays there forever unless you
> have a renovation, then they leave temporarily
> only to return in 2 to 3 years. Oh and for new
> schools trailers show up before the new school
> opens except at South County Middle because there
> won't be enough students there to require
> trailers.
>
> Since you know so much please explain away the
> discrepancies in capacity numbers for Robinson
> Middle between the CIP and the dashboard.
CIP numbers come out earlier and have usually use facility capacity. Program capacity is on dashboard and that is figured out later after classrooms programmed for use.
Also stop calling other people entitled. Suing someone and then forcing fellow citizens to pay the bill is probably the most entitled thing I have ever heard of
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 10, 2012 08:54PM
know Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> herewegoagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > One of my personal favorite issues with the
> buses:
> > the Clifton buses have to make multiple passes
> on
> > the same road in order to pick up students on
> both
> > sides of the route, so the bus is forced to
> back
> > up into a main road in Clifton and the driver
> > relies on the 6th graders in the back of the
> bus
> > to tell him when it is safe to back up. That's
> > what every parent wants their child responsible
> > for on the bus - telling the driver when it's
> safe
> > to back up! God help that child if an accident
> > does occur and that child is left to bear that
> > burden of guilt. But hey, as long as it saves
> a
> > few bucks, it's okay!
>
>
> Using students to "spot" when backing up is
> something that bus drivers are told to do. No
> student is required to spot and if they do, they
> certainly are not responsible for ANYTHING.
That's completely besides the point. Being technically "responsible" for something and feeling responsible for something are two entirely two different things.
Using your logic, if all the kids simply refuse to "spot" for the driver, what is the driver supposed to do? Sit there and wait for someone to come to their rescue? It's not safe, shouldn't be done and wouldn't be necessary at all if CES were still open.
-------------------------------------------------------
> herewegoagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > One of my personal favorite issues with the
> buses:
> > the Clifton buses have to make multiple passes
> on
> > the same road in order to pick up students on
> both
> > sides of the route, so the bus is forced to
> back
> > up into a main road in Clifton and the driver
> > relies on the 6th graders in the back of the
> bus
> > to tell him when it is safe to back up. That's
> > what every parent wants their child responsible
> > for on the bus - telling the driver when it's
> safe
> > to back up! God help that child if an accident
> > does occur and that child is left to bear that
> > burden of guilt. But hey, as long as it saves
> a
> > few bucks, it's okay!
>
>
> Using students to "spot" when backing up is
> something that bus drivers are told to do. No
> student is required to spot and if they do, they
> certainly are not responsible for ANYTHING.
That's completely besides the point. Being technically "responsible" for something and feeling responsible for something are two entirely two different things.
Using your logic, if all the kids simply refuse to "spot" for the driver, what is the driver supposed to do? Sit there and wait for someone to come to their rescue? It's not safe, shouldn't be done and wouldn't be necessary at all if CES were still open.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
know too
()
Date: January 10, 2012 09:15PM
Justataxpayor:
Name one threat made to Mrs. Bradsher as well as the individual that made that threat prior to the vote. ---- Supposedly Herrity threatened her and Hugo with a member of her family present and let's not forget your Mayor's email that was seen everywhere.
3) With Mrs. Bradsher holding the southwestern elementary school community off indicating "I am working on something to buy time" while doing actually the complete opposite based on emails, how would you perceive her actions if she represented your community? Again, based on the statement made to the community with parallel efforts by email going in direct conflict to her statements to the public?
She was going to defer the vote but it would have placed CES at the end of the CIP and that would have made matters worse for the infrastructure of the school. Staff and other members advised that would not be beneficial.
Didn't you even talk to her before writing all this crap to find out what had happened or do you just condemn people without finding out what took place? I spoke with her and I don't even live in your thankless area.
Oh that's right you would just rather condemn people.
Name one threat made to Mrs. Bradsher as well as the individual that made that threat prior to the vote. ---- Supposedly Herrity threatened her and Hugo with a member of her family present and let's not forget your Mayor's email that was seen everywhere.
3) With Mrs. Bradsher holding the southwestern elementary school community off indicating "I am working on something to buy time" while doing actually the complete opposite based on emails, how would you perceive her actions if she represented your community? Again, based on the statement made to the community with parallel efforts by email going in direct conflict to her statements to the public?
She was going to defer the vote but it would have placed CES at the end of the CIP and that would have made matters worse for the infrastructure of the school. Staff and other members advised that would not be beneficial.
Didn't you even talk to her before writing all this crap to find out what had happened or do you just condemn people without finding out what took place? I spoke with her and I don't even live in your thankless area.
Oh that's right you would just rather condemn people.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 10, 2012 09:29PM
know too Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Justataxpayor:
>
> Name one threat made to Mrs. Bradsher as well as
> the individual that made that threat prior to the
> vote. ---- Supposedly Herrity threatened her and
> Hugo with a member of her family present and let's
> not forget your Mayor's email that was seen
> everywhere.
>
> 3) With Mrs. Bradsher holding the southwestern
> elementary school community off indicating "I am
> working on something to buy time" while doing
> actually the complete opposite based on emails,
> how would you perceive her actions if she
> represented your community? Again, based on the
> statement made to the community with parallel
> efforts by email going in direct conflict to her
> statements to the public?
>
> She was going to defer the vote but it would have
> placed CES at the end of the CIP and that would
> have made matters worse for the infrastructure of
> the school. Staff and other members advised that
> would not be beneficial.
>
> Didn't you even talk to her before writing all
> this crap to find out what had happened or do you
> just condemn people without finding out what took
> place? I spoke with her and I don't even live in
> your thankless area.
> Oh that's right you would just rather condemn
> people.
My mayor? Last I checked there is a Chairman of the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors, not a mayor of Fairfax County. The vast majority of people that had students attending Clifton Elementary did not live within the Town of Clifton. From what grapevine did you hear the Herrity story? I am focused on first-hand knowledge.
I would have liked to speak with Mrs. Bradsher following her vote but she wanted nothing to do with anyone regardless of whether reasonable or not following the vote if you had anything to do with Clifton. My condemnation of Mrs. Bradsher is based on my personal experience with her in this process and nothing to do with hearsay. I lived it and I know what I was told and what actually happened with regard to my interactions with her.
My only guess as to what Herrity said is that her Republican political future would be over if she didn't do something to at least appear supportive. And oddly enough he didn't even need to advance on such a statement (if that is what happened) as she killed her political future on her own.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Justataxpayor:
>
> Name one threat made to Mrs. Bradsher as well as
> the individual that made that threat prior to the
> vote. ---- Supposedly Herrity threatened her and
> Hugo with a member of her family present and let's
> not forget your Mayor's email that was seen
> everywhere.
>
> 3) With Mrs. Bradsher holding the southwestern
> elementary school community off indicating "I am
> working on something to buy time" while doing
> actually the complete opposite based on emails,
> how would you perceive her actions if she
> represented your community? Again, based on the
> statement made to the community with parallel
> efforts by email going in direct conflict to her
> statements to the public?
>
> She was going to defer the vote but it would have
> placed CES at the end of the CIP and that would
> have made matters worse for the infrastructure of
> the school. Staff and other members advised that
> would not be beneficial.
>
> Didn't you even talk to her before writing all
> this crap to find out what had happened or do you
> just condemn people without finding out what took
> place? I spoke with her and I don't even live in
> your thankless area.
> Oh that's right you would just rather condemn
> people.
My mayor? Last I checked there is a Chairman of the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors, not a mayor of Fairfax County. The vast majority of people that had students attending Clifton Elementary did not live within the Town of Clifton. From what grapevine did you hear the Herrity story? I am focused on first-hand knowledge.
I would have liked to speak with Mrs. Bradsher following her vote but she wanted nothing to do with anyone regardless of whether reasonable or not following the vote if you had anything to do with Clifton. My condemnation of Mrs. Bradsher is based on my personal experience with her in this process and nothing to do with hearsay. I lived it and I know what I was told and what actually happened with regard to my interactions with her.
My only guess as to what Herrity said is that her Republican political future would be over if she didn't do something to at least appear supportive. And oddly enough he didn't even need to advance on such a statement (if that is what happened) as she killed her political future on her own.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
know
()
Date: January 10, 2012 09:52PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
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> That's completely besides the point. Being
> technically "responsible" for something and
> feeling responsible for something are two entirely
> two different things.
>
> Using your logic, if all the kids simply refuse to
> "spot" for the driver, what is the driver supposed
> to do? Sit there and wait for someone to come to
> their rescue? It's not safe, shouldn't be done
> and wouldn't be necessary at all if CES were still
> open.
County-wide, there are hundreds of bus routes that require backing up. So no, if there is no spotter, the bus driver does not sit and wait, they turn the bus around.
PS: Some of the CES buses had to back up and turn around.
-------------------------------------------------------
> That's completely besides the point. Being
> technically "responsible" for something and
> feeling responsible for something are two entirely
> two different things.
>
> Using your logic, if all the kids simply refuse to
> "spot" for the driver, what is the driver supposed
> to do? Sit there and wait for someone to come to
> their rescue? It's not safe, shouldn't be done
> and wouldn't be necessary at all if CES were still
> open.
County-wide, there are hundreds of bus routes that require backing up. So no, if there is no spotter, the bus driver does not sit and wait, they turn the bus around.
PS: Some of the CES buses had to back up and turn around.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 10, 2012 10:10PM
know too Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Justataxpayor:
>
> Name one threat made to Mrs. Bradsher as well as
> the individual that made that threat prior to the
> vote. ---- Supposedly Herrity threatened her and
> Hugo with a member of her family present and let's
> not forget your Mayor's email that was seen
> everywhere.
>
> 3) With Mrs. Bradsher holding the southwestern
> elementary school community off indicating "I am
> working on something to buy time" while doing
> actually the complete opposite based on emails,
> how would you perceive her actions if she
> represented your community? Again, based on the
> statement made to the community with parallel
> efforts by email going in direct conflict to her
> statements to the public?
>
> She was going to defer the vote but it would have
> placed CES at the end of the CIP and that would
> have made matters worse for the infrastructure of
> the school. Staff and other members advised that
> would not be beneficial.
>
> Didn't you even talk to her before writing all
> this crap to find out what had happened or do you
> just condemn people without finding out what took
> place? I spoke with her and I don't even live in
> your thankless area.
> Oh that's right you would just rather condemn
> people.
First, please learn the correct spelling of taxpayer. There is no "o".
You still haven't told us the threat. Maybe because there wasn't any?
As for whether or not she was going to defer the vote, nice try to justify why she didn't, but if you've bothered to read her emails leading up to the vote, you would know that that was a lie. She NEVER had any intention of deferring the vote and when Ms. Hone did try to defer the vote, Mr. Gibson sent an email to Ms. Bradsher telling her to please make sure everyone else on the board knew that she did not support deferring the vote.
You act like we're making this stuff up. Keep on believing whatever you want. The facts are there in black in white if you take the time to read them, without your rose colored glasses and Liz in your back pocket. Bradsher's behavior and lies to this community were despicable. There's no hiding that fact and that is why she's being condemned. She created this disaster, not us.
Tell me, since you seem to know every detail about her.....at the PTA meeting at CES when this issue first came about and Ms. Bradsher told us that we have to "prove the value of your school if you want to save it", exactly how does one go about doing that?? The 2nd top performing school in the county, with parents that are engaged and students that are thriving have no value? What, we were supposed to prove the value of the building and the land it sits on? That's what the tax assessors office is for. If being the 2nd top performing school, having engaged parents and teachers that love where they work doesn't prove the value, what does? Please explain. I'm dying to know!
Oh, and the mayor? What mayor and what email? Like Justataxpayer, I have no mayor that resides over where I live, unless Fairfax County has elected one and it somehow slipped by me. As for an email, do tell! It sounds like it was interesting.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2012 10:22PM by herewegoagain.
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> Justataxpayor:
>
> Name one threat made to Mrs. Bradsher as well as
> the individual that made that threat prior to the
> vote. ---- Supposedly Herrity threatened her and
> Hugo with a member of her family present and let's
> not forget your Mayor's email that was seen
> everywhere.
>
> 3) With Mrs. Bradsher holding the southwestern
> elementary school community off indicating "I am
> working on something to buy time" while doing
> actually the complete opposite based on emails,
> how would you perceive her actions if she
> represented your community? Again, based on the
> statement made to the community with parallel
> efforts by email going in direct conflict to her
> statements to the public?
>
> She was going to defer the vote but it would have
> placed CES at the end of the CIP and that would
> have made matters worse for the infrastructure of
> the school. Staff and other members advised that
> would not be beneficial.
>
> Didn't you even talk to her before writing all
> this crap to find out what had happened or do you
> just condemn people without finding out what took
> place? I spoke with her and I don't even live in
> your thankless area.
> Oh that's right you would just rather condemn
> people.
First, please learn the correct spelling of taxpayer. There is no "o".
You still haven't told us the threat. Maybe because there wasn't any?
As for whether or not she was going to defer the vote, nice try to justify why she didn't, but if you've bothered to read her emails leading up to the vote, you would know that that was a lie. She NEVER had any intention of deferring the vote and when Ms. Hone did try to defer the vote, Mr. Gibson sent an email to Ms. Bradsher telling her to please make sure everyone else on the board knew that she did not support deferring the vote.
You act like we're making this stuff up. Keep on believing whatever you want. The facts are there in black in white if you take the time to read them, without your rose colored glasses and Liz in your back pocket. Bradsher's behavior and lies to this community were despicable. There's no hiding that fact and that is why she's being condemned. She created this disaster, not us.
Tell me, since you seem to know every detail about her.....at the PTA meeting at CES when this issue first came about and Ms. Bradsher told us that we have to "prove the value of your school if you want to save it", exactly how does one go about doing that?? The 2nd top performing school in the county, with parents that are engaged and students that are thriving have no value? What, we were supposed to prove the value of the building and the land it sits on? That's what the tax assessors office is for. If being the 2nd top performing school, having engaged parents and teachers that love where they work doesn't prove the value, what does? Please explain. I'm dying to know!
Oh, and the mayor? What mayor and what email? Like Justataxpayer, I have no mayor that resides over where I live, unless Fairfax County has elected one and it somehow slipped by me. As for an email, do tell! It sounds like it was interesting.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2012 10:22PM by herewegoagain.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 10, 2012 10:18PM
know Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> herewegoagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That's completely besides the point. Being
> > technically "responsible" for something and
> > feeling responsible for something are two
> entirely
> > two different things.
> >
> > Using your logic, if all the kids simply refuse
> to
> > "spot" for the driver, what is the driver
> supposed
> > to do? Sit there and wait for someone to come
> to
> > their rescue? It's not safe, shouldn't be done
> > and wouldn't be necessary at all if CES were
> still
> > open.
>
>
> County-wide, there are hundreds of bus routes that
> require backing up. So no, if there is no
> spotter, the bus driver does not sit and wait,
> they turn the bus around.
>
> PS: Some of the CES buses had to back up and turn
> around.
What do they do if there is no where to turn around? This particular bus backs up on a main road in Clifton, on a blind hill. There is no way the bus driver can see to safely back up. I'm really, honestly, trying to understand this, not fight with you. I don't see how that can be allowed. It's simply not safe.
Which buses from CES had to back up? None that I'm aware of, but I certainly didn't know every route at CES. I do for the Clifton buses to Fairview only because the routes have changed half a dozen times since the beginning of the school year and none of us could keep up with the changes, which occurred daily and in one case, there were two changes to the route in the same day. A transportation study should have been done, at the very least.
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> herewegoagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That's completely besides the point. Being
> > technically "responsible" for something and
> > feeling responsible for something are two
> entirely
> > two different things.
> >
> > Using your logic, if all the kids simply refuse
> to
> > "spot" for the driver, what is the driver
> supposed
> > to do? Sit there and wait for someone to come
> to
> > their rescue? It's not safe, shouldn't be done
> > and wouldn't be necessary at all if CES were
> still
> > open.
>
>
> County-wide, there are hundreds of bus routes that
> require backing up. So no, if there is no
> spotter, the bus driver does not sit and wait,
> they turn the bus around.
>
> PS: Some of the CES buses had to back up and turn
> around.
What do they do if there is no where to turn around? This particular bus backs up on a main road in Clifton, on a blind hill. There is no way the bus driver can see to safely back up. I'm really, honestly, trying to understand this, not fight with you. I don't see how that can be allowed. It's simply not safe.
Which buses from CES had to back up? None that I'm aware of, but I certainly didn't know every route at CES. I do for the Clifton buses to Fairview only because the routes have changed half a dozen times since the beginning of the school year and none of us could keep up with the changes, which occurred daily and in one case, there were two changes to the route in the same day. A transportation study should have been done, at the very least.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the Taxpayer
()
Date: January 11, 2012 01:42PM
I don't blame Bradsher for not wanting anything to do with the Clifton supporters. Just dig up the Collusion thread here and see the vile comments, posts with her children's pictures, and taunts to the one young man who voiced his opinion. Hateful and shameful.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 11, 2012 03:23PM
oh, you mean the thread that was started after Bradsher stabbed Clifton in the back? That thread? Please do dig it up. It shows the hateful and shameful way she treated Clifton behind the scenes. There's an old saying - lead by example. Well, she led the example, not us.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
perspective
()
Date: January 11, 2012 03:56PM
Educational fail Wrote:
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> FCPS has no clue. If you were a parent from CES
> you would be mad too if your child had a longer
> bus time, bigger classes and fewer educational
> choices. We are not asking for anything extra.
> Shame on FCPS.
you forgot more minorities to go to school with. why do the clifton people keep leaving out the biggest reason they fought the closure
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> FCPS has no clue. If you were a parent from CES
> you would be mad too if your child had a longer
> bus time, bigger classes and fewer educational
> choices. We are not asking for anything extra.
> Shame on FCPS.
you forgot more minorities to go to school with. why do the clifton people keep leaving out the biggest reason they fought the closure
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
wrong again
()
Date: January 11, 2012 04:10PM
To Herewegoagain,
You brought this on yourselves. You were extremely nasty to her. Those emails demonstrate she was working to get answers on matters to the school and she asked tough questions that you did not want to hear answers to.
She represented all of the Springfield District and your issue had implications on many. How hard is this for you to see? Apparently very because you remain blinded by selfishness. She did her job. If she asked you what was it that made Clifton so much more special than any other ES what did you say? How were you more "special" than other schools?
Perhaps Perspective and the taxpayer has it right. BTW there is a mayor of Clifton, you should know that since you claim to know Bradsher and this county.
You brought this on yourselves. You were extremely nasty to her. Those emails demonstrate she was working to get answers on matters to the school and she asked tough questions that you did not want to hear answers to.
She represented all of the Springfield District and your issue had implications on many. How hard is this for you to see? Apparently very because you remain blinded by selfishness. She did her job. If she asked you what was it that made Clifton so much more special than any other ES what did you say? How were you more "special" than other schools?
Perhaps Perspective and the taxpayer has it right. BTW there is a mayor of Clifton, you should know that since you claim to know Bradsher and this county.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
perspective is WRONG
()
Date: January 11, 2012 04:22PM
WRONG. You are vile human being. Move along now.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
geezusHchrist
()
Date: January 11, 2012 08:41PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
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> oh, you mean the thread that was started after
> Bradsher stabbed Clifton in the back? That
> thread? Please do dig it up. It shows the hateful
> and shameful way she treated Clifton behind the
> scenes. There's an old saying - lead by example.
> Well, she led the example, not us.
herewegoagain you are a foul human being in my opinion.
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> oh, you mean the thread that was started after
> Bradsher stabbed Clifton in the back? That
> thread? Please do dig it up. It shows the hateful
> and shameful way she treated Clifton behind the
> scenes. There's an old saying - lead by example.
> Well, she led the example, not us.
herewegoagain you are a foul human being in my opinion.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the Taxpayer
()
Date: January 11, 2012 09:49PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
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> oh, you mean the thread that was started after
> Bradsher stabbed Clifton in the back? That
> thread? Please do dig it up. It shows the hateful
> and shameful way she treated Clifton behind the
> scenes. There's an old saying - lead by example.
> Well, she led the example, not us.
ah, I see. Payback, retribution, revenge for the (perceived) wrong Bradsher brought upon Clifton.
You are evil. Closing Clifton was the fiscally prudent thing to do, but I am happier because you, Jill, Schultz, Lin Dai et al deserve some adversity. Look at it as expiating some of your bad Karma.
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> oh, you mean the thread that was started after
> Bradsher stabbed Clifton in the back? That
> thread? Please do dig it up. It shows the hateful
> and shameful way she treated Clifton behind the
> scenes. There's an old saying - lead by example.
> Well, she led the example, not us.
ah, I see. Payback, retribution, revenge for the (perceived) wrong Bradsher brought upon Clifton.
You are evil. Closing Clifton was the fiscally prudent thing to do, but I am happier because you, Jill, Schultz, Lin Dai et al deserve some adversity. Look at it as expiating some of your bad Karma.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 11, 2012 09:55PM
perspective Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Educational fail Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FCPS has no clue. If you were a parent from CES
> > you would be mad too if your child had a longer
> > bus time, bigger classes and fewer educational
> > choices. We are not asking for anything extra.
> > Shame on FCPS.
>
>
> you forgot more minorities to go to school with.
> why do the clifton people keep leaving out the
> biggest reason they fought the closure
Really? That is your argument? Wow!
The composition of the student body at Clifton was a reflection of the attendance boundary. Would you say the same thing if a community school on Route 1 or Bailey's Crossroads was slated for closure and those communities became active in engaging the shool board to keep their community school? Oh and the composition of the receiving schools is not vastly different from what Clifton Elementary was. I know what biggitry and racism look like and the Clifton Elementary community was no where close to living those lifestyles of hate. Care to try again?
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> Educational fail Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FCPS has no clue. If you were a parent from CES
> > you would be mad too if your child had a longer
> > bus time, bigger classes and fewer educational
> > choices. We are not asking for anything extra.
> > Shame on FCPS.
>
>
> you forgot more minorities to go to school with.
> why do the clifton people keep leaving out the
> biggest reason they fought the closure
Really? That is your argument? Wow!
The composition of the student body at Clifton was a reflection of the attendance boundary. Would you say the same thing if a community school on Route 1 or Bailey's Crossroads was slated for closure and those communities became active in engaging the shool board to keep their community school? Oh and the composition of the receiving schools is not vastly different from what Clifton Elementary was. I know what biggitry and racism look like and the Clifton Elementary community was no where close to living those lifestyles of hate. Care to try again?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
wrong again
()
Date: January 11, 2012 11:44PM
Graham Road was engaged so was Fort Hunt - both closed. Clifton certainly demonstrated their hate. They also demonstrated by their actions that they felt they were above the rest of the county, teflon if you will.
Such actions obvioulsy did not go over well with the School Board and certainly comments about how Clifton students could not possibly go to certain schools didn't sit well with them. 9 members voted to close, pretty significant.
Bullies don't alwasy get their way.
Such actions obvioulsy did not go over well with the School Board and certainly comments about how Clifton students could not possibly go to certain schools didn't sit well with them. 9 members voted to close, pretty significant.
Bullies don't alwasy get their way.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
nicely said
()
Date: January 11, 2012 11:49PM
To The Taxpayer and wrong again:
Your entries are well stated.
Your entries are well stated.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
CES9
()
Date: January 12, 2012 06:37AM
No matter how much you want to turn this into class warfare, CES parents were and are justified and should motivate others (with a "pair") to question the motives of FCPS and Tisdat. They always have ulterior motives, some kind of payoff. I know they do hate CES parents because they are more trouble, demand better education that lackadaisical disempowered parents, say-W Springfield. Don't think the motive was moving WSHS up. FCPS manipulates the numbers anyway that suits their case and they always get their way, some people say that control the media, which I would not be surprised. Money talks. When your kid is coming from a GT Center they can chose "pupil placement" pretty much anywhere they want, the school will take them (principals decision) but when they are normal or below average, they claim "overcrowding", hope nobody with half a brain actually believes that.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 12, 2012 07:03AM
nicely said Wrote:
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> To The Taxpayer and wrong again:
>
> Your entries are well stated.
Starting to wonder again if perhaps you are posing as more than one poster on this thread as your posts come at odd hours and within about 5 minutes of the Taxpayer and wrong again. We'll never know because you have not registered as a user so others can see all of you posts. Oh well.
As for your comments, Graham Road sued FCPS too. Not saying that was the right path for either Graham Road or certain Clifton families and Jill Hill, but they did. My questioning the motives of FCPS and some School Board members came out of ever changing data. Enrollment and capacity numbers moved based on the day of the week, the descriptions in the initial report about Clifton Elementary made it out to be situated in the alps and so dangerous to attempt to park there that you would think a student was killed every year just in the parking lot. The report discussed toxic water that would cost hundreds of thousands to make potable yet in the end the fix was less than $20,000 and was the same fix that the state of Virginia had been suggesting all along yet FCPS failed to implement for whatever reason. Based on the initial report one would think tens of thousands of dollars were put in to making sure individual bottled water servings were available for students while the reality was that less than $6,000 over 5 years was spent on water coolers and actual water for the school.
Liz started with the members of the Clifton community as very supportive and very much a part of the community. She was collaborative and open about how to approach the process. Yet somewhere between December and January the year of the vote she went silent and became less approachable. She fostered meetings with Fairfax Water to see what was possible for fire suppression. So early to midway through the analysis she was pretty good. I think the part that was so frustrating to those who read the timeframe of her FOIA'd emails was that while being very engaged and appearing supportive of the thoughts of the Clifton Elementary community she was garnering votes to close the school. That really is the crux of the frustration. My experience with her was very good up until about a month prior to the vote. I and others feel very justified in our perspectives of her and wanted everyone we knew to know what our real experience was which is why some of us continue to share this information.
And as for personal attacks, I am sure as in ANY group there are some crazies out there but I specifically worked in a calm and open manner through the vote. Also, did you know that Liz quoted her daughter as having executed a Google search on radioactive elements during the meeting where the vote was held. She specifically said "My daughter who is in FCPS just searched Google and here is what she found.". Seriously? Who does that in a professional environment?
On the "you didn't want to go to the other schools" note, chat with someone who has children attending Fairview and Union Mill and see if they view the additional students at their school as improving the educational environment from a crowdin perspective. Parents from Clifton and some families from Fairview and Union Mill knew their facilities could not handle the influx of over 120+ students at each school on top of full day K. That would be why families didn't want to go there, they didn't want the overcrowded cafeterias, complete lack of close-by and safe parking - think crossing 123 and Burke Centre Parkway to get to school functions because there is NO space in the lot at Fairview. Think of buses sitting ON 123 in the morning waiting to unload students a major commuter artery from Prince William County to Fairfax. Those were the reasons families did not want to go - in addition to knowing the community in which they reside would be split at least 2 and possibly as many as 4 ways. Nice thing is that all of the concerns came to be.
I would love to know each of your involvement in the southwestern boundary study. Are you and FCPS staff member, a School Board member, a member of one of the schools that received Clifton students or perhaps something else? You know by my posts that I was a Member of the Clifton Elementary community and involved in the community engagement process. What is your level of involvement?
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> To The Taxpayer and wrong again:
>
> Your entries are well stated.
Starting to wonder again if perhaps you are posing as more than one poster on this thread as your posts come at odd hours and within about 5 minutes of the Taxpayer and wrong again. We'll never know because you have not registered as a user so others can see all of you posts. Oh well.
As for your comments, Graham Road sued FCPS too. Not saying that was the right path for either Graham Road or certain Clifton families and Jill Hill, but they did. My questioning the motives of FCPS and some School Board members came out of ever changing data. Enrollment and capacity numbers moved based on the day of the week, the descriptions in the initial report about Clifton Elementary made it out to be situated in the alps and so dangerous to attempt to park there that you would think a student was killed every year just in the parking lot. The report discussed toxic water that would cost hundreds of thousands to make potable yet in the end the fix was less than $20,000 and was the same fix that the state of Virginia had been suggesting all along yet FCPS failed to implement for whatever reason. Based on the initial report one would think tens of thousands of dollars were put in to making sure individual bottled water servings were available for students while the reality was that less than $6,000 over 5 years was spent on water coolers and actual water for the school.
Liz started with the members of the Clifton community as very supportive and very much a part of the community. She was collaborative and open about how to approach the process. Yet somewhere between December and January the year of the vote she went silent and became less approachable. She fostered meetings with Fairfax Water to see what was possible for fire suppression. So early to midway through the analysis she was pretty good. I think the part that was so frustrating to those who read the timeframe of her FOIA'd emails was that while being very engaged and appearing supportive of the thoughts of the Clifton Elementary community she was garnering votes to close the school. That really is the crux of the frustration. My experience with her was very good up until about a month prior to the vote. I and others feel very justified in our perspectives of her and wanted everyone we knew to know what our real experience was which is why some of us continue to share this information.
And as for personal attacks, I am sure as in ANY group there are some crazies out there but I specifically worked in a calm and open manner through the vote. Also, did you know that Liz quoted her daughter as having executed a Google search on radioactive elements during the meeting where the vote was held. She specifically said "My daughter who is in FCPS just searched Google and here is what she found.". Seriously? Who does that in a professional environment?
On the "you didn't want to go to the other schools" note, chat with someone who has children attending Fairview and Union Mill and see if they view the additional students at their school as improving the educational environment from a crowdin perspective. Parents from Clifton and some families from Fairview and Union Mill knew their facilities could not handle the influx of over 120+ students at each school on top of full day K. That would be why families didn't want to go there, they didn't want the overcrowded cafeterias, complete lack of close-by and safe parking - think crossing 123 and Burke Centre Parkway to get to school functions because there is NO space in the lot at Fairview. Think of buses sitting ON 123 in the morning waiting to unload students a major commuter artery from Prince William County to Fairfax. Those were the reasons families did not want to go - in addition to knowing the community in which they reside would be split at least 2 and possibly as many as 4 ways. Nice thing is that all of the concerns came to be.
I would love to know each of your involvement in the southwestern boundary study. Are you and FCPS staff member, a School Board member, a member of one of the schools that received Clifton students or perhaps something else? You know by my posts that I was a Member of the Clifton Elementary community and involved in the community engagement process. What is your level of involvement?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
hamptonrd
()
Date: January 12, 2012 07:19AM
wrong again:"Bullies don't alwasy get their way." They do when they are FCPS and parents don't give a shit.,
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
not so
()
Date: January 12, 2012 08:24AM
justataxpayer:
TOTALLY INCORRECT ON ALL POINTS. YOU ARE OLD NEWS IF YOU HAVE SUCH ISSUES TALK TO THOSE WHO MADE THE DECISION AND MOVE ON. YOU TAKE EMAIL READING TO A NEW LEVEL OF MISINTERPETATION AND SPIN. SUCH BITTERNESS.
TOTALLY INCORRECT ON ALL POINTS. YOU ARE OLD NEWS IF YOU HAVE SUCH ISSUES TALK TO THOSE WHO MADE THE DECISION AND MOVE ON. YOU TAKE EMAIL READING TO A NEW LEVEL OF MISINTERPETATION AND SPIN. SUCH BITTERNESS.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 12, 2012 08:31AM
not so Wrote:
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> justataxpayer:
>
> TOTALLY INCORRECT ON ALL POINTS. YOU ARE OLD NEWS
> IF YOU HAVE SUCH ISSUES TALK TO THOSE WHO MADE THE
> DECISION AND MOVE ON. YOU TAKE EMAIL READING TO A
> NEW LEVEL OF MISINTERPETATION AND SPIN. SUCH
> BITTERNESS.
So Liz never worked with the community of Clifton early on? She wasn't engaged and approachable early on? The initial report didn't indicate along with future data from FCPS that the costs tonresolve water quality issues would be astronomical and the report never mentioned the "steepngrade of the driveway" to Clifton which really is a gradual incline when compared to the drives in ti some schools? Honestly, why would I make any of this up? I lived it. Based on your blanket statement that everything I say is incorrect my guess is you don't have a grasp on reality. Again, I lived it. I am not making this stuff up and have no reason to. FCPS closed the school and I doubt that will change, but I do know the truth in what I experienced.
Oh and there is a key just to the left of the letters on your keyboard that controls caps lock. You may want to use it.
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> justataxpayer:
>
> TOTALLY INCORRECT ON ALL POINTS. YOU ARE OLD NEWS
> IF YOU HAVE SUCH ISSUES TALK TO THOSE WHO MADE THE
> DECISION AND MOVE ON. YOU TAKE EMAIL READING TO A
> NEW LEVEL OF MISINTERPETATION AND SPIN. SUCH
> BITTERNESS.
So Liz never worked with the community of Clifton early on? She wasn't engaged and approachable early on? The initial report didn't indicate along with future data from FCPS that the costs tonresolve water quality issues would be astronomical and the report never mentioned the "steepngrade of the driveway" to Clifton which really is a gradual incline when compared to the drives in ti some schools? Honestly, why would I make any of this up? I lived it. Based on your blanket statement that everything I say is incorrect my guess is you don't have a grasp on reality. Again, I lived it. I am not making this stuff up and have no reason to. FCPS closed the school and I doubt that will change, but I do know the truth in what I experienced.
Oh and there is a key just to the left of the letters on your keyboard that controls caps lock. You may want to use it.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Herndon observer
()
Date: January 12, 2012 08:36AM
Having gone through South Lakes redistricting, I can tell you that the decision was made before the study was begun. Oh yes, there may have been a little "tweaking" to keep the affluent Restoners at Herndon (those are the ones who were not already at Langley!), and to keep more low income students out of South Lakes or Herndon, but, ultimately, Gibson and South Lakes PTA got exactly what they wanted and designed.
As far as Clifton, the only thing that is different is that there were two issues: closing Clifton and overcrowding in area elementary schools. I still contend that there was a use planned for the Clifton site that we are unaware of. It is the only thing that makes sense--FCPS (Tistadt) was ready to build at Liberty until the asbestos issue arose--if they could build at the Clifton site back when it was built initially--why can't they improve or build on it now? It just does not make sense.
My take: Kathy Smith used the boundary study after Clifton closure to hide her manipulation of Poplar Tree boundary. She was successful. Check membership demographics last year vs this year. She sent her low income students to Virginia Run and was going to offer the "carrot" of "All day K" in exchange--that was before the BOS told FCPS to give everyone all day K. Liz did have political motives, as well. But, why was FCPS so intent on closing it? I think that is where the answer lies.
Using the "race card" to attack Clifton parents is pretty low. Gibson used this during South Lakes--when parents complained about being redistricting every 2-3 years, not wanting IB instead of AP, and pointing out that studies indicating that South Lakes being overcrowded in a short time, they were attacked with the "race card". Guess what: South Lakes now has trailers.
I don't know what the motive for closing Clifton was. I truly believe it has something to do with the future use of the Clifton site.
As far as Clifton, the only thing that is different is that there were two issues: closing Clifton and overcrowding in area elementary schools. I still contend that there was a use planned for the Clifton site that we are unaware of. It is the only thing that makes sense--FCPS (Tistadt) was ready to build at Liberty until the asbestos issue arose--if they could build at the Clifton site back when it was built initially--why can't they improve or build on it now? It just does not make sense.
My take: Kathy Smith used the boundary study after Clifton closure to hide her manipulation of Poplar Tree boundary. She was successful. Check membership demographics last year vs this year. She sent her low income students to Virginia Run and was going to offer the "carrot" of "All day K" in exchange--that was before the BOS told FCPS to give everyone all day K. Liz did have political motives, as well. But, why was FCPS so intent on closing it? I think that is where the answer lies.
Using the "race card" to attack Clifton parents is pretty low. Gibson used this during South Lakes--when parents complained about being redistricting every 2-3 years, not wanting IB instead of AP, and pointing out that studies indicating that South Lakes being overcrowded in a short time, they were attacked with the "race card". Guess what: South Lakes now has trailers.
I don't know what the motive for closing Clifton was. I truly believe it has something to do with the future use of the Clifton site.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
wshs 81
()
Date: January 12, 2012 09:03AM
Justataxpayer enjoys revisionist history and was NOT a member of the Southwest Engagement Committee, can tell by comments and what I read.
The issues surrounding the closure of Clifton was capital funding and too few dollars. If you believe there were motives then you really think too much and giving far too much thought to the site of the school.
I believe no one is using it now. Seems there is no rush to do anything with the site.
The issues surrounding the closure of Clifton was capital funding and too few dollars. If you believe there were motives then you really think too much and giving far too much thought to the site of the school.
I believe no one is using it now. Seems there is no rush to do anything with the site.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 12, 2012 09:21AM
wshs 81 Wrote:
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> Justataxpayer enjoys revisionist history and was
> NOT a member of the Southwest Engagement
> Committee, can tell by comments and what I read.
>
> The issues surrounding the closure of Clifton was
> capital funding and too few dollars. If you
> believe there were motives then you really think
> too much and giving far too much thought to the
> site of the school.
>
> I believe no one is using it now. Seems there is
> no rush to do anything with the site.
I have not represented myself as a member of the committee in any post so no idea why you would think I did. The history I state is fact. I attended meetings and followed all of this from the start and continue to. The only piece I have missed is whatever actual discussions happened in private between staff and School Board members.
If the issue of closing Clifton was all about capital spending, why not base the argument solely on lack of funds? That was only one area covered. Oh and by the way did you know there are other schools in FCPS with smaller enrollments - some this year as low as 100+ students smaller than Clifton that have been renovated in the last 5 to 10 years. Sounds almost discriminatory if you go solely based on cost because the figures don't show equality.
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> Justataxpayer enjoys revisionist history and was
> NOT a member of the Southwest Engagement
> Committee, can tell by comments and what I read.
>
> The issues surrounding the closure of Clifton was
> capital funding and too few dollars. If you
> believe there were motives then you really think
> too much and giving far too much thought to the
> site of the school.
>
> I believe no one is using it now. Seems there is
> no rush to do anything with the site.
I have not represented myself as a member of the committee in any post so no idea why you would think I did. The history I state is fact. I attended meetings and followed all of this from the start and continue to. The only piece I have missed is whatever actual discussions happened in private between staff and School Board members.
If the issue of closing Clifton was all about capital spending, why not base the argument solely on lack of funds? That was only one area covered. Oh and by the way did you know there are other schools in FCPS with smaller enrollments - some this year as low as 100+ students smaller than Clifton that have been renovated in the last 5 to 10 years. Sounds almost discriminatory if you go solely based on cost because the figures don't show equality.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
justsayin
()
Date: January 12, 2012 10:18AM
Herndon observer Wrote:
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> Using the "race card" to attack Clifton parents is
> pretty low. Gibson used this during South
> Lakes--when parents complained about being
> redistricting every 2-3 years, not wanting IB
> instead of AP, and pointing out that studies
> indicating that South Lakes being overcrowded in
> a short time, they were attacked with the "race
> card". Guess what: South Lakes now has trailers.
Oh please. Denying that the resistance to the South Lakes redistricting was rooted in racism is laughable and rediculous. IB vs AP was a convenient red herring.
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> Using the "race card" to attack Clifton parents is
> pretty low. Gibson used this during South
> Lakes--when parents complained about being
> redistricting every 2-3 years, not wanting IB
> instead of AP, and pointing out that studies
> indicating that South Lakes being overcrowded in
> a short time, they were attacked with the "race
> card". Guess what: South Lakes now has trailers.
Oh please. Denying that the resistance to the South Lakes redistricting was rooted in racism is laughable and rediculous. IB vs AP was a convenient red herring.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 12, 2012 10:38AM
justsayin Wrote:
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> Herndon observer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Using the "race card" to attack Clifton parents
> is
> > pretty low. Gibson used this during South
> > Lakes--when parents complained about being
> > redistricting every 2-3 years, not wanting IB
> > instead of AP, and pointing out that studies
> > indicating that South Lakes being overcrowded
> in
> > a short time, they were attacked with the "race
> > card". Guess what: South Lakes now has
> trailers.
>
> Oh please. Denying that the resistance to the
> South Lakes redistricting was rooted in racism is
> laughable and rediculous. IB vs AP was a
> convenient red herring.
Conspiracy theory much? Seems to be too convenient to always use the race issue as the reason for a person's perspective and doing so is in itself racist. Can't we all just get along?
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> Herndon observer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Using the "race card" to attack Clifton parents
> is
> > pretty low. Gibson used this during South
> > Lakes--when parents complained about being
> > redistricting every 2-3 years, not wanting IB
> > instead of AP, and pointing out that studies
> > indicating that South Lakes being overcrowded
> in
> > a short time, they were attacked with the "race
> > card". Guess what: South Lakes now has
> trailers.
>
> Oh please. Denying that the resistance to the
> South Lakes redistricting was rooted in racism is
> laughable and rediculous. IB vs AP was a
> convenient red herring.
Conspiracy theory much? Seems to be too convenient to always use the race issue as the reason for a person's perspective and doing so is in itself racist. Can't we all just get along?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
burke parent
()
Date: January 12, 2012 10:46AM
Interesting that this thread was resurrected right after the new school board took office. Almost like Elizabeth Bradsher was biding her time until she officially left office before seeking her own form of revenge for being shown for what she really was - an elected official that her constituents couldn't trust.
I don't think the Clifton parents were/are after revenge. I think they were fed up with being lied to, had the gumption to call it like they see it and wanted the rest of us to see the extent of the manipulation that went on in order to close the school.
It was a mistake to close that school and now we're all paying for it.
I have had the pleasure of meeting several of the new families at our school that came from Clifton. They are great kids from what I have seen and the parents are engaged and pleasant.
What a waste for that school to just sit there when we have schools that are overcrowded.
I don't think the Clifton parents were/are after revenge. I think they were fed up with being lied to, had the gumption to call it like they see it and wanted the rest of us to see the extent of the manipulation that went on in order to close the school.
It was a mistake to close that school and now we're all paying for it.
I have had the pleasure of meeting several of the new families at our school that came from Clifton. They are great kids from what I have seen and the parents are engaged and pleasant.
What a waste for that school to just sit there when we have schools that are overcrowded.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
to just sayin
()
Date: January 12, 2012 11:19AM
IB vs AP:
There is a difference and the parents were rightly concerned about it.
I have spoken recently with two young people who are at different colleges. Both of these took AP courses at their high schools and both had roommates who graduated from two different FCPS IB schools. The two that I spoke with talked about how lucky they were to have graduated from AP schools as they were given much more credit for their courses than their roommates. Their roommates (one from Robinson and one from Mt. Vernon) both agreed. They felt that for all the work they did on IB, that they were not given equal credit. Both of the IB students think they would have benefited more from AP. They really did not defend the IB program at all.
Personally, I think the IB program has great value for some students--but it does not offer the flexibility that AP offers.
AND, how do you know that race was the issue at South Lakes redistricting? If that was the case, why did Chantilly parents fight against being redistricted to Oakton?
There is a difference and the parents were rightly concerned about it.
I have spoken recently with two young people who are at different colleges. Both of these took AP courses at their high schools and both had roommates who graduated from two different FCPS IB schools. The two that I spoke with talked about how lucky they were to have graduated from AP schools as they were given much more credit for their courses than their roommates. Their roommates (one from Robinson and one from Mt. Vernon) both agreed. They felt that for all the work they did on IB, that they were not given equal credit. Both of the IB students think they would have benefited more from AP. They really did not defend the IB program at all.
Personally, I think the IB program has great value for some students--but it does not offer the flexibility that AP offers.
AND, how do you know that race was the issue at South Lakes redistricting? If that was the case, why did Chantilly parents fight against being redistricted to Oakton?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
scam
()
Date: January 12, 2012 11:25AM
Both of my kids graduated from FCPS, one with IB credits and diploma and my daughter took lots of AP classes-huge difference, my daughter got almost a years worth of credit, the IB credits were not accepted and even scoffed at.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
justsayin
()
Date: January 12, 2012 11:31AM
to just sayin Wrote:
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> AND, how do you know that race was the issue at
> South Lakes redistricting? If that was the case,
> why did Chantilly parents fight against being
> redistricted to Oakton?
I don't have any knowledge of that, only South Lakes and Clifton ES. There can be many reasons to fight a move, I don't know that racism was a significant factor in that one though I'm guessing not as the race makeup is roughly similar.
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> AND, how do you know that race was the issue at
> South Lakes redistricting? If that was the case,
> why did Chantilly parents fight against being
> redistricted to Oakton?
I don't have any knowledge of that, only South Lakes and Clifton ES. There can be many reasons to fight a move, I don't know that racism was a significant factor in that one though I'm guessing not as the race makeup is roughly similar.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the Taxpayer
()
Date: January 12, 2012 11:50AM
burke parent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Interesting that this thread was resurrected right
> after the new school board took office. Almost
> like Elizabeth Bradsher was biding her time until
> she officially left office before seeking her own
> form of revenge for being shown for what she
> really was - an elected official that her
> constituents couldn't trust.
>
> I don't think the Clifton parents were/are after
> revenge. I think they were fed up with being lied
> to, had the gumption to call it like they see it
> and wanted the rest of us to see the extent of the
> manipulation that went on in order to close the
> school.
>
> It was a mistake to close that school and now
> we're all paying for it.
>
> I have had the pleasure of meeting several of the
> new families at our school that came from Clifton.
> They are great kids from what I have seen and the
> parents are engaged and pleasant.
>
> What a waste for that school to just sit there
> when we have schools that are overcrowded.
sheesh, okay one at a time, it seems that you've taken in the Clifton Koolaid.
Bradsheer had more constituents than Clifton, so saying her constituents couldn't trust her is false. The BOARD voted to close the school, many were later reelected. Some, like Moon, have overwhelming support.
The evidence posted here confirms that it was not a mistake to close the school, and having it sit is better than throwing a huge amount of money at it to get it up to standards and safe.
Clifton parents were and are mean and vindictive in regard to this topic. While it's understandable to be ticked off by losing the school, they are over the top rude on this forum and elsewhere.
Glad to hear you find the Clifton parents you met engaged and pleasant, perhaps they can finally let go and move on.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Interesting that this thread was resurrected right
> after the new school board took office. Almost
> like Elizabeth Bradsher was biding her time until
> she officially left office before seeking her own
> form of revenge for being shown for what she
> really was - an elected official that her
> constituents couldn't trust.
>
> I don't think the Clifton parents were/are after
> revenge. I think they were fed up with being lied
> to, had the gumption to call it like they see it
> and wanted the rest of us to see the extent of the
> manipulation that went on in order to close the
> school.
>
> It was a mistake to close that school and now
> we're all paying for it.
>
> I have had the pleasure of meeting several of the
> new families at our school that came from Clifton.
> They are great kids from what I have seen and the
> parents are engaged and pleasant.
>
> What a waste for that school to just sit there
> when we have schools that are overcrowded.
sheesh, okay one at a time, it seems that you've taken in the Clifton Koolaid.
Bradsheer had more constituents than Clifton, so saying her constituents couldn't trust her is false. The BOARD voted to close the school, many were later reelected. Some, like Moon, have overwhelming support.
The evidence posted here confirms that it was not a mistake to close the school, and having it sit is better than throwing a huge amount of money at it to get it up to standards and safe.
Clifton parents were and are mean and vindictive in regard to this topic. While it's understandable to be ticked off by losing the school, they are over the top rude on this forum and elsewhere.
Glad to hear you find the Clifton parents you met engaged and pleasant, perhaps they can finally let go and move on.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
burke parent
()
Date: January 12, 2012 01:41PM
the Taxpayer Wrote:
>
> sheesh, okay one at a time, it seems that you've
> taken in the Clifton Koolaid.
And you've had your fair share of Bradsher's.
> Bradsheer had more constituents than Clifton, so
> saying her constituents couldn't trust her is
> false. The BOARD voted to close the school, many
> were later reelected. Some, like Moon, have
> overwhelming support.
so it was okay to lie to Clifton parents as long as she was truthful to the rest of the district? Sorry, not buying it.
Mr. Moon has overwhelming support.......so? His reelection has nothing to do with Ms. Bradsher.
> The evidence posted here confirms that it was not
> a mistake to close the school, and having it sit
> is better than throwing a huge amount of money at
> it to get it up to standards and safe.
How was Clifton unsafe? Or not up to standards? My kids used to have art in the art room, now they only have art on a cart. Is that up to standards? My kids used to have all of their classes in a classroom, now they have some in trailers. Is that up to standards? Whose standards? Not mine.
I find it hard to believe that Clifton parents would have allowed their children to attend a school that was deemed unsafe, or been willing to allow other schools to be renovated before theirs if it was in such dire need of a renovation. The supposed horrible condition of the school didn't seem to degrade the level of education they were receiving. Again, I'm not buying it.
> Clifton parents were and are mean and vindictive
> in regard to this topic. While it's understandable
> to be ticked off by losing the school, they are
> over the top rude on this forum and elsewhere.
You're unfairly painting an entire community as mean and vindictive by the actions of a few? That's like saying the entire school district is crap because of a few schools that don't make AYP. It sounds to me like you need to get over yourself.
> Glad to hear you find the Clifton parents you met
> engaged and pleasant, perhaps they can finally let
> go and move on.
They're as pleasant as can be. Can't say the same for you or Ms. Bradsher, unfortunately.
>
> sheesh, okay one at a time, it seems that you've
> taken in the Clifton Koolaid.
And you've had your fair share of Bradsher's.
> Bradsheer had more constituents than Clifton, so
> saying her constituents couldn't trust her is
> false. The BOARD voted to close the school, many
> were later reelected. Some, like Moon, have
> overwhelming support.
so it was okay to lie to Clifton parents as long as she was truthful to the rest of the district? Sorry, not buying it.
Mr. Moon has overwhelming support.......so? His reelection has nothing to do with Ms. Bradsher.
> The evidence posted here confirms that it was not
> a mistake to close the school, and having it sit
> is better than throwing a huge amount of money at
> it to get it up to standards and safe.
How was Clifton unsafe? Or not up to standards? My kids used to have art in the art room, now they only have art on a cart. Is that up to standards? My kids used to have all of their classes in a classroom, now they have some in trailers. Is that up to standards? Whose standards? Not mine.
I find it hard to believe that Clifton parents would have allowed their children to attend a school that was deemed unsafe, or been willing to allow other schools to be renovated before theirs if it was in such dire need of a renovation. The supposed horrible condition of the school didn't seem to degrade the level of education they were receiving. Again, I'm not buying it.
> Clifton parents were and are mean and vindictive
> in regard to this topic. While it's understandable
> to be ticked off by losing the school, they are
> over the top rude on this forum and elsewhere.
You're unfairly painting an entire community as mean and vindictive by the actions of a few? That's like saying the entire school district is crap because of a few schools that don't make AYP. It sounds to me like you need to get over yourself.
> Glad to hear you find the Clifton parents you met
> engaged and pleasant, perhaps they can finally let
> go and move on.
They're as pleasant as can be. Can't say the same for you or Ms. Bradsher, unfortunately.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
to justsayin
()
Date: January 12, 2012 01:52PM
Chantilly/Oakton/Westfield were all part of the South Lakes redistricting. Many people do not realize that while Oakton/Westfield families were trying to stay put at their respective schools, that two neighborhoods of Chantilly parents (Navy and Oak Hill) were fighting to stay at Chantilly.
These neighborhoods testified at meetings and talked and wrote to school board members just as the Floris/Reston/Herndon neighborhoods did. Eventually, the Navy students were sent to Oakton against their wishes. These kids live about one mile from Chantilly--off of Rte 50.
Chantilly was brought in because Gibson intended to take kids from Oakton and put them in South Lakes--that would have left Oakton underserved--therefore Navy students had to be sent to Oakton from Chantilly. At that time the SB was saying that 2000 was optimum size of high school--even though they had just added on to Westfield.
I really think that a lot of the redistricting helps to justify more construction for FCPS--the question is why that is so desirable.
These schools could be refurbished and renovated without all the bells and whistles that were given to South Lakes and Woodson. How about basic technological upgrades and cleanup rather than sparkles and glitter?
These neighborhoods testified at meetings and talked and wrote to school board members just as the Floris/Reston/Herndon neighborhoods did. Eventually, the Navy students were sent to Oakton against their wishes. These kids live about one mile from Chantilly--off of Rte 50.
Chantilly was brought in because Gibson intended to take kids from Oakton and put them in South Lakes--that would have left Oakton underserved--therefore Navy students had to be sent to Oakton from Chantilly. At that time the SB was saying that 2000 was optimum size of high school--even though they had just added on to Westfield.
I really think that a lot of the redistricting helps to justify more construction for FCPS--the question is why that is so desirable.
These schools could be refurbished and renovated without all the bells and whistles that were given to South Lakes and Woodson. How about basic technological upgrades and cleanup rather than sparkles and glitter?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
justsayin
()
Date: January 12, 2012 01:55PM
I appreciate the background info, thank you!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the Taxpayer
()
Date: January 12, 2012 02:13PM
burke parent Wrote:
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> a lot of nothing and blah blah blah
Your kids went to Clifton. Got it. Understand you spinning the facts for your benefit.
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> a lot of nothing and blah blah blah
Your kids went to Clifton. Got it. Understand you spinning the facts for your benefit.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Clifton parents are wonderful!
()
Date: January 12, 2012 02:30PM
My kids did go to Clifton. Got it? Good. Now you stop spinning the facts to suit you.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
burke parent
()
Date: January 12, 2012 02:40PM
Wow, you are really very insecure, aren't you?
Nice try, but my children didn't attend Clifton.
This thread has been very enlightening, and not in a positive way towards Ms. Bradsher (or should I just say YOU?). In fact, just the opposite. It seems that anyone that disagrees with her is immediately painted as evil, regardless of where they live. It is no wonder there is so much animosity from Clifton.
No skin off my back, but you may want to seek anger management, or therapy at the very least.
Nice try, but my children didn't attend Clifton.
This thread has been very enlightening, and not in a positive way towards Ms. Bradsher (or should I just say YOU?). In fact, just the opposite. It seems that anyone that disagrees with her is immediately painted as evil, regardless of where they live. It is no wonder there is so much animosity from Clifton.
No skin off my back, but you may want to seek anger management, or therapy at the very least.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
therapy?
()
Date: January 12, 2012 03:53PM
the people who need therapy are those who keep their kids in bad schools and don't do anything about it, at least CES parents tried.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 12, 2012 03:55PM
Just a Troll Wrote:
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> Justataxpayer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I know Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Trailers do not become standard capacity,
> only
> > > modulars.
> >
> > Figure of speech my friend. Once a trailer
> hits
> > school grounds it stays there forever unless
> you
> > have a renovation, then they leave temporarily
> > only to return in 2 to 3 years. Oh and for new
> > schools trailers show up before the new school
> > opens except at South County Middle because
> there
> > won't be enough students there to require
> > trailers.
> >
> > Since you know so much please explain away the
> > discrepancies in capacity numbers for Robinson
> > Middle between the CIP and the dashboard.
>
> CIP numbers come out earlier and have usually use
> facility capacity. Program capacity is on
> dashboard and that is figured out later after
> classrooms programmed for use.
What you said makes no sense. How can facility capacity be lower than the program capacity of a facility. The other way around makes sense but not the method you have described.
> Also stop calling other people entitled. Suing
> someone and then forcing fellow citizens to pay
> the bill is probably the most entitled thing I
> have ever heard of
I am sorry but there are laws in this country for a reason and when it appears someone is skirting the legal vs unlawful line I have no issue with my tax dollars paying to make sure everyone is behaving within the limits of the law. Also, I am suing no one and never have. Don't lecture me on entitlement as I've been paying boatloads of taxes here to fund minimal services used by my family that are available to all citizens regardless of income level (think schools, public safety, roads, trash - where actually I pay a service incremental fees to pick up at my house) and public libraries. I could care less if the hours of operation of the library were cut or if the school day was shorter or longer....I am however quite frustrated when a service that once was great becomes less than par and I am asked to continually pay more for it (think my experience with Clifton Elementary). That to me isn't entitlement, it is common sense. What fool continues to pay higher rates for worse service? Would you do it with your phone company? Your cable company if you have one? Not likely. So why accept that in government? Perhaps because that is the way it has become, but that isn't the way it should be.
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> Justataxpayer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I know Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Trailers do not become standard capacity,
> only
> > > modulars.
> >
> > Figure of speech my friend. Once a trailer
> hits
> > school grounds it stays there forever unless
> you
> > have a renovation, then they leave temporarily
> > only to return in 2 to 3 years. Oh and for new
> > schools trailers show up before the new school
> > opens except at South County Middle because
> there
> > won't be enough students there to require
> > trailers.
> >
> > Since you know so much please explain away the
> > discrepancies in capacity numbers for Robinson
> > Middle between the CIP and the dashboard.
>
> CIP numbers come out earlier and have usually use
> facility capacity. Program capacity is on
> dashboard and that is figured out later after
> classrooms programmed for use.
What you said makes no sense. How can facility capacity be lower than the program capacity of a facility. The other way around makes sense but not the method you have described.
> Also stop calling other people entitled. Suing
> someone and then forcing fellow citizens to pay
> the bill is probably the most entitled thing I
> have ever heard of
I am sorry but there are laws in this country for a reason and when it appears someone is skirting the legal vs unlawful line I have no issue with my tax dollars paying to make sure everyone is behaving within the limits of the law. Also, I am suing no one and never have. Don't lecture me on entitlement as I've been paying boatloads of taxes here to fund minimal services used by my family that are available to all citizens regardless of income level (think schools, public safety, roads, trash - where actually I pay a service incremental fees to pick up at my house) and public libraries. I could care less if the hours of operation of the library were cut or if the school day was shorter or longer....I am however quite frustrated when a service that once was great becomes less than par and I am asked to continually pay more for it (think my experience with Clifton Elementary). That to me isn't entitlement, it is common sense. What fool continues to pay higher rates for worse service? Would you do it with your phone company? Your cable company if you have one? Not likely. So why accept that in government? Perhaps because that is the way it has become, but that isn't the way it should be.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the Taxpayer
()
Date: January 12, 2012 03:56PM
burke parent Wrote:
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> Nice try, but my children didn't attend Clifton.
>
Please clarify:
burke parent Wrote:
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>
> How was Clifton unsafe? Or not up to standards?
> My kids used to have art in the art room, now they
> only have art on a cart. Is that up to standards?
> My kids used to have all of their classes in a
> classroom, now they have some in trailers. Is
> that up to standards? Whose standards? Not mine.
Seems that you are defending the unsafe putrid water CES through your kids experience.
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> Nice try, but my children didn't attend Clifton.
>
Please clarify:
burke parent Wrote:
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>
> How was Clifton unsafe? Or not up to standards?
> My kids used to have art in the art room, now they
> only have art on a cart. Is that up to standards?
> My kids used to have all of their classes in a
> classroom, now they have some in trailers. Is
> that up to standards? Whose standards? Not mine.
Seems that you are defending the unsafe putrid water CES through your kids experience.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
disgusted5
()
Date: January 12, 2012 03:59PM
thats a joke, there was no unsafe putrid water, it was tested independently, not with FCPS cronies who "cook the numbers" just more BS they make up as they see fit to justify whatever the not so hidden agenda is.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 12, 2012 04:02PM
the Taxpayer Wrote:
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> burke parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Nice try, but my children didn't attend
> Clifton.
> >
>
>
> Please clarify:
>
>
> burke parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > How was Clifton unsafe? Or not up to standards?
>
> > My kids used to have art in the art room, now
> they
> > only have art on a cart. Is that up to
> standards?
> > My kids used to have all of their classes in a
> > classroom, now they have some in trailers. Is
> > that up to standards? Whose standards? Not
> mine.
>
>
> Seems that you are defending the unsafe putrid
> water CES through your kids experience.
Unsafe water is old news. FCPS fixed the water challenges and announced they had done so at the meeting where the vote to close the school happened. That fact was known to Dean hours before the meeting but he decided to hold off on telling everyone until he sent an email informing the School Board DURING THE MEETING. We'll all wait here for you to catch up.
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> burke parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Nice try, but my children didn't attend
> Clifton.
> >
>
>
> Please clarify:
>
>
> burke parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > How was Clifton unsafe? Or not up to standards?
>
> > My kids used to have art in the art room, now
> they
> > only have art on a cart. Is that up to
> standards?
> > My kids used to have all of their classes in a
> > classroom, now they have some in trailers. Is
> > that up to standards? Whose standards? Not
> mine.
>
>
> Seems that you are defending the unsafe putrid
> water CES through your kids experience.
Unsafe water is old news. FCPS fixed the water challenges and announced they had done so at the meeting where the vote to close the school happened. That fact was known to Dean hours before the meeting but he decided to hold off on telling everyone until he sent an email informing the School Board DURING THE MEETING. We'll all wait here for you to catch up.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
wrong again
()
Date: January 12, 2012 04:19PM
The water was an issue but was somewhat resolved to a certain extent however in the end the other issues of costs came into play, that being the renovation costs of the school, the issues with the topography for a renovation, the pump and hall situation for waste, the issue of low density and minimal student growth etc. All of which was in the reports and placed on the FCPS website. Your remarks demonstrate that you believe the surrounding schools are sub-par. That is not the case, it also demonstrated your perception of a public school, CES, operating as a private school.
CES was a public school and therefore public dollars were being spent to operate a school with high facility need for a minimal amount of students, costing more per student to operate and not up to FCPS standards and efficiencies.
You can write about this till the year 2050 however the issues as to why the school closed will remain the same. You can make Bradsher your fall person all you want but the issues will still remain. She did what she had to do --- a no win situation politically but a right decision for the county and use of capital dollars.
Interesting that logical people here are disagreeing with justataxpayer and Burke parent---Logic seems to scare "justataxpayor" and once again they blame Bradsher.
Hope she has moved on this is a waste of time.
CES was a public school and therefore public dollars were being spent to operate a school with high facility need for a minimal amount of students, costing more per student to operate and not up to FCPS standards and efficiencies.
You can write about this till the year 2050 however the issues as to why the school closed will remain the same. You can make Bradsher your fall person all you want but the issues will still remain. She did what she had to do --- a no win situation politically but a right decision for the county and use of capital dollars.
Interesting that logical people here are disagreeing with justataxpayer and Burke parent---Logic seems to scare "justataxpayor" and once again they blame Bradsher.
Hope she has moved on this is a waste of time.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
a question
()
Date: January 12, 2012 04:24PM
Why is the topography a problem for building?
How did they build the school initially? With a mule?
It seems to me that it would be easier to build today than it was initially.
How did they build the school initially? With a mule?
It seems to me that it would be easier to build today than it was initially.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Interesting
()
Date: January 12, 2012 04:38PM
Wow! Such vitriol! Clifton parents stop feeding the trolls! Thanks for posting all info about this. One day, some other school or schools will be in play. It's important to understand how the school board works and how they use parents to spin for them. This is useful in understanding both sides.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 12, 2012 05:15PM
wrong again Wrote:
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> The water was an issue but was somewhat resolved
> to a certain extent however in the end the other
> issues of costs came into play, that being the
> renovation costs of the school, the issues with
> the topography for a renovation, the pump and hall
> situation for waste, the issue of low density and
> minimal student growth etc. All of which was in
> the reports and placed on the FCPS website. Your
> remarks demonstrate that you believe the
> surrounding schools are sub-par. That is not the
> case, it also demonstrated your perception of a
> public school, CES, operating as a private
> school.
> CES was a public school and therefore public
> dollars were being spent to operate a school with
> high facility need for a minimal amount of
> students, costing more per student to operate and
> not up to FCPS standards and efficiencies.
>
> You can write about this till the year 2050
> however the issues as to why the school closed
> will remain the same. You can make Bradsher your
> fall person all you want but the issues will still
> remain. She did what she had to do --- a no win
> situation politically but a right decision for the
> county and use of capital dollars.
>
> Interesting that logical people here are
> disagreeing with justataxpayer and Burke
> parent---Logic seems to scare "justataxpayor" and
> once again they blame Bradsher.
>
> Hope she has moved on this is a waste of time.
Please explain your perception of Clifton Elementary operating as a private school? Nothing about the school made it a private school. Anyone living within the school boundary as well as any with a pupil placement need attended that school. What made it a private school? The size of the student population? If so, is Lemon Road at just 250 students this year also a private school? I can tell you Clifton did not have private school class sizes. All but the first grade the last year of the school being in operation had over 28 and in many cases over 30 in the individual classrooms. Some of the receiving schools have smaller class sizes yet you don't call them private. Please explain how it was a private school? You made that statement and now back it up with some evidence.
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> The water was an issue but was somewhat resolved
> to a certain extent however in the end the other
> issues of costs came into play, that being the
> renovation costs of the school, the issues with
> the topography for a renovation, the pump and hall
> situation for waste, the issue of low density and
> minimal student growth etc. All of which was in
> the reports and placed on the FCPS website. Your
> remarks demonstrate that you believe the
> surrounding schools are sub-par. That is not the
> case, it also demonstrated your perception of a
> public school, CES, operating as a private
> school.
> CES was a public school and therefore public
> dollars were being spent to operate a school with
> high facility need for a minimal amount of
> students, costing more per student to operate and
> not up to FCPS standards and efficiencies.
>
> You can write about this till the year 2050
> however the issues as to why the school closed
> will remain the same. You can make Bradsher your
> fall person all you want but the issues will still
> remain. She did what she had to do --- a no win
> situation politically but a right decision for the
> county and use of capital dollars.
>
> Interesting that logical people here are
> disagreeing with justataxpayer and Burke
> parent---Logic seems to scare "justataxpayor" and
> once again they blame Bradsher.
>
> Hope she has moved on this is a waste of time.
Please explain your perception of Clifton Elementary operating as a private school? Nothing about the school made it a private school. Anyone living within the school boundary as well as any with a pupil placement need attended that school. What made it a private school? The size of the student population? If so, is Lemon Road at just 250 students this year also a private school? I can tell you Clifton did not have private school class sizes. All but the first grade the last year of the school being in operation had over 28 and in many cases over 30 in the individual classrooms. Some of the receiving schools have smaller class sizes yet you don't call them private. Please explain how it was a private school? You made that statement and now back it up with some evidence.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
dean
()
Date: January 12, 2012 05:40PM
Lemon Road has a big senior center and is used for community purposes far more than CES becaise of its remote location. LR is used by county and FCPS. Totally differently. Suspect the county will eventually take over the building.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
regularguy
()
Date: January 12, 2012 07:09PM
Interesting Wrote:
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> Wow! Such vitriol! Clifton parents stop feeding
> the trolls! Thanks for posting all info about
> this. One day, some other school or schools will
> be in play. It's important to understand how the
> school board works and how they use parents to
> spin for them. This is useful in understanding
> both sides.
Yes we will get our revenge one day you must be at the ready!
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> Wow! Such vitriol! Clifton parents stop feeding
> the trolls! Thanks for posting all info about
> this. One day, some other school or schools will
> be in play. It's important to understand how the
> school board works and how they use parents to
> spin for them. This is useful in understanding
> both sides.
Yes we will get our revenge one day you must be at the ready!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the Taxpayer
()
Date: January 12, 2012 07:28PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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>
> Please explain your perception of Clifton
> Elementary operating as a private school? Nothing
> about the school made it a private school. Anyone
> living within the school boundary as well as any
> with a pupil placement need attended that school.
> What made it a private school? The size of the
> student population?
This is the piece you pulled out of that well written fact filled post on why it made sense to close Clifton?
The Clifton kids are still in good schools, they'll continue to excel, and beyond the teeth gnashing and resistance to change by the parents, all is well. Poster 'wrong again' has shared the facts on why closing Clifton ES was logical and the right thing to do. Many people came here and posted nasty stuff, both during the process and prior to the election in November. Clifton played hard and dirty to keep their school open, but ultimately the county taxpayers had their say in November. All incumbents who ran were reelected. That's just the way things work in this country.
I'll look for burkeparent's reply to my question on which statement was a lie, (kid went to CES or not), but the fats presented here (again) prove that closing CES was the proper action in a time of diminished resources.
We are sorry for your loss, Rest In Peace CES.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Please explain your perception of Clifton
> Elementary operating as a private school? Nothing
> about the school made it a private school. Anyone
> living within the school boundary as well as any
> with a pupil placement need attended that school.
> What made it a private school? The size of the
> student population?
This is the piece you pulled out of that well written fact filled post on why it made sense to close Clifton?
The Clifton kids are still in good schools, they'll continue to excel, and beyond the teeth gnashing and resistance to change by the parents, all is well. Poster 'wrong again' has shared the facts on why closing Clifton ES was logical and the right thing to do. Many people came here and posted nasty stuff, both during the process and prior to the election in November. Clifton played hard and dirty to keep their school open, but ultimately the county taxpayers had their say in November. All incumbents who ran were reelected. That's just the way things work in this country.
I'll look for burkeparent's reply to my question on which statement was a lie, (kid went to CES or not), but the fats presented here (again) prove that closing CES was the proper action in a time of diminished resources.
We are sorry for your loss, Rest In Peace CES.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
I spin for no one
()
Date: January 12, 2012 07:50PM
I can't wait to hear what the court has to say on the private emails the SB sent to each other during an open meeting.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
WSHS81
()
Date: January 12, 2012 08:31PM
Hone and Reed were sending emails but it was not considered a meeting. 2 members does not equate to a public meeting. More spin from I spin for no one,
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
one more thing
()
Date: January 12, 2012 08:39PM
CES was not up to Fx County's building code and there was no fire suppression system due to no water pressure in the building because it was on well water. The wells at the school did not have enough water pressure for a sprinkler system system. This too had to be taken into account. No one mentions this and I don't know why?
2 house burnt down in Clifton in late summer -- no water hydrants due to well water and no pressure to put out the fires. The houses burnt to the ground.
2 house burnt down in Clifton in late summer -- no water hydrants due to well water and no pressure to put out the fires. The houses burnt to the ground.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Why then
()
Date: January 12, 2012 08:51PM
The Supreme court of Virginia does not agree with you WSHS81. It has agreed to hear the case.
No spin.
No spin.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Houses burned to the ground?
()
Date: January 12, 2012 08:54PM
I never heard about these homes in Clifton burning down. I was at the beach all summer so I may have missed it.
Can you provide the addresses. Thanks.
Can you provide the addresses. Thanks.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 12, 2012 09:04PM
one more thing Wrote:
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> CES was not up to Fx County's building code and
> there was no fire suppression system due to no
> water pressure in the building because it was on
> well water. The wells at the school did not have
> enough water pressure for a sprinkler system
> system. This too had to be taken into account.
> No one mentions this and I don't know why?
>
> 2 house burnt down in Clifton in late summer -- no
> water hydrants due to well water and no pressure
> to put out the fires. The houses burnt to the
> ground.
Are you saying that all FCPS schools without fire suppression systems should be closed? Same for all that are not up to building codes? If so, thousands of students lives are at risk every day. What shall we do?
A storage tank with a pressure pump could address the fire suppression needs. Ever wonder how Prince William, Loudoun and other rural systems get sprinkler systems to work there? FCPS has a similar system in place at Woodson following all the work there I have heard. Of course direct connections from a well won't create enough pressure, hence the storage tank. FCPS isn't going to get crap for value on the Clifton site because they have characterized it as a deathtrap in top of a cliff. It is zoned such that you could only get 3 residential homes in that location so I don't see much value coming from the land at least not something overly substantial. Might be enough to pave a parking lot, who knows. With all the challenges noted by FCPS in attempting to stage equipment for a renovation it is a wonder that somehow the building was able to survive with decades of use and it was even capable of being built nearly over a half century ago.
As for other structure burning down, Stu reflected on the night Dogwood Elementary burned to the ground but never noted that the construction of that school combined with ignoring an alarm due to prior false alarms led to the complete loss of the structure. Essentially the building was a brick exterior shell with no interior walls and with a completely open area from the ceiling to the roof with no breaks from a concrete wall at all. The fire traveled rapidly through the open ceiling area throughout the building. Clifton was not constructed with such an open design therefore any fire at the site could have been contained to a particular area. The fire department can practically see the building out the front door of the fire house.
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> CES was not up to Fx County's building code and
> there was no fire suppression system due to no
> water pressure in the building because it was on
> well water. The wells at the school did not have
> enough water pressure for a sprinkler system
> system. This too had to be taken into account.
> No one mentions this and I don't know why?
>
> 2 house burnt down in Clifton in late summer -- no
> water hydrants due to well water and no pressure
> to put out the fires. The houses burnt to the
> ground.
Are you saying that all FCPS schools without fire suppression systems should be closed? Same for all that are not up to building codes? If so, thousands of students lives are at risk every day. What shall we do?
A storage tank with a pressure pump could address the fire suppression needs. Ever wonder how Prince William, Loudoun and other rural systems get sprinkler systems to work there? FCPS has a similar system in place at Woodson following all the work there I have heard. Of course direct connections from a well won't create enough pressure, hence the storage tank. FCPS isn't going to get crap for value on the Clifton site because they have characterized it as a deathtrap in top of a cliff. It is zoned such that you could only get 3 residential homes in that location so I don't see much value coming from the land at least not something overly substantial. Might be enough to pave a parking lot, who knows. With all the challenges noted by FCPS in attempting to stage equipment for a renovation it is a wonder that somehow the building was able to survive with decades of use and it was even capable of being built nearly over a half century ago.
As for other structure burning down, Stu reflected on the night Dogwood Elementary burned to the ground but never noted that the construction of that school combined with ignoring an alarm due to prior false alarms led to the complete loss of the structure. Essentially the building was a brick exterior shell with no interior walls and with a completely open area from the ceiling to the roof with no breaks from a concrete wall at all. The fire traveled rapidly through the open ceiling area throughout the building. Clifton was not constructed with such an open design therefore any fire at the site could have been contained to a particular area. The fire department can practically see the building out the front door of the fire house.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Laaaughing
()
Date: January 12, 2012 09:15PM
At this point, I can hardly wait for CES to be torn down, and the ground salted so that nothing ever grows there again. Fuck CES, fuck every kid who ever went there, fuck their whiny parents, fuck FOIA, fuck the school board, fuck y'all. Find another hobby. Collect stamps. Have an affair. For the love of Jesus Tapdancing Christ, move on from this.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 12, 2012 09:17PM
Thanks for the laugh, Laaughing.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
one more thing
()
Date: January 12, 2012 09:34PM
Well water provides no pressure. CES is far from looking like Dogwood which was on sewer and water. CES--pump and haul no water pressure. Your resolutions would cost the taxpayers additioanl $.
A water tank cost additional funding, all additioal CES funding added up. CES is on a cliff, it is isolated from other schools and roads, the building was not used on weekends to any great extent, the PA was not using it to any great extent nor the county. Most schools are used 24-7. How did Stu vote on CES?
CES' location could not be used for any special education services it was too remote and not up to code. It came down to demand for funding and county needs.
Note: Believe Dominion Valley Dr. was one address of the fire.
A water tank cost additional funding, all additioal CES funding added up. CES is on a cliff, it is isolated from other schools and roads, the building was not used on weekends to any great extent, the PA was not using it to any great extent nor the county. Most schools are used 24-7. How did Stu vote on CES?
CES' location could not be used for any special education services it was too remote and not up to code. It came down to demand for funding and county needs.
Note: Believe Dominion Valley Dr. was one address of the fire.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
firebug
()
Date: January 12, 2012 10:01PM
CES had a big pipe running down the hill to Clifton Creek. Park a huge pumper truck down by the creek and they could fight a fire at that school, no problem. If the creek was dry, FCFD has some big tankers that could respond.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Clifton parent
()
Date: January 12, 2012 10:39PM
FACTS SINCE CES CLOSED:
- MY KID'S NEW SCHOOL HAS ABOUT THE SAME DEMOS AS CES (so what's your argument about CES parents not wanting their kids to be in a more diverse school? BS on your part.)
- MY KID'S BUS RIDE IS NOW AN HOUR LONG!!
- SOUTH COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL IS BEING BUILT, BUT WSHS STILL WAITS FOR RENOVATIONS.
- CES KIDS WERE DRINKING WATER STRAIGHT FROM WATER FOUNTAINS AT CES LAST MAY. So much for your BS argument that the water was bad.
- UMES IS OVERCROWDED! How does this help overcrowding?
Why don't you naysayers actually experience what the former CES families have and THEN you can report back.
- MY KID'S NEW SCHOOL HAS ABOUT THE SAME DEMOS AS CES (so what's your argument about CES parents not wanting their kids to be in a more diverse school? BS on your part.)
- MY KID'S BUS RIDE IS NOW AN HOUR LONG!!
- SOUTH COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL IS BEING BUILT, BUT WSHS STILL WAITS FOR RENOVATIONS.
- CES KIDS WERE DRINKING WATER STRAIGHT FROM WATER FOUNTAINS AT CES LAST MAY. So much for your BS argument that the water was bad.
- UMES IS OVERCROWDED! How does this help overcrowding?
Why don't you naysayers actually experience what the former CES families have and THEN you can report back.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
What fires?
()
Date: January 12, 2012 10:47PM
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/fr/news/2011archive/2011news.htm
What houses burned in Clifton? There is nothing in the fire department's news releases about house fires.
More BS arguments from BS people.
What houses burned in Clifton? There is nothing in the fire department's news releases about house fires.
More BS arguments from BS people.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
hampton8
()
Date: January 13, 2012 07:21AM
"one more thing" is obviously BS FCPS employee troll.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
as long as it's not your kid, right?
()
Date: January 13, 2012 08:08AM
The way FCPS broke up CLifton was horrible. They took around 50 kids and sent them to OakView. For kids in several grades, there were only a handful of friends that transfered. Only ONE fifth grader. All of her friends (that she had been with since Kindergarten) went to other schools. In 3rd grade, there were 6 kids, 5 girls and 1 boy. Again, all of that boys' freinds went to different schools. So when you say our kids will be fine, think about ripping your child away from his or her school in fifth grade to go to a new school where she knows noone.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
cruel
()
Date: January 13, 2012 08:18AM
FCPS is cruel. So are the other parents on here who think they know it all and the Clifton kids are all rich snobs.
Clifton is great small community. I guess the haters are jealous.
Clifton is great small community. I guess the haters are jealous.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
cleaningup
()
Date: January 13, 2012 08:30AM
as long as it's not your kid, right? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So when you say our kids will be fine,
> think about ripping your child away from his or
> her school in fifth grade to go to a new school
> where she knows noone.
So when a family moves as a normal course of life and the child naturally moves with the family to a different school and has to make new friends, that is "cruel." Wrong, that's called "life" and the kids will make new friends. And Clifton is a small enough area that they can see their old friends on weekends if their parents can leave the whining on this forum long enough to arrange something.
-------------------------------------------------------
> So when you say our kids will be fine,
> think about ripping your child away from his or
> her school in fifth grade to go to a new school
> where she knows noone.
So when a family moves as a normal course of life and the child naturally moves with the family to a different school and has to make new friends, that is "cruel." Wrong, that's called "life" and the kids will make new friends. And Clifton is a small enough area that they can see their old friends on weekends if their parents can leave the whining on this forum long enough to arrange something.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Hilaaaarious
()
Date: January 13, 2012 08:46AM
Ten years from now, the Clifton parents will gather at the CES site in black robes, and sacrifice chickens to the great gods of the darkness, mourning the loss of that freakin' building.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 13, 2012 09:34AM
cleaningup Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> as long as it's not your kid, right? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So when you say our kids will be fine,
> > think about ripping your child away from his or
> > her school in fifth grade to go to a new school
> > where she knows noone.
>
> So when a family moves as a normal course of life
> and the child naturally moves with the family to a
> different school and has to make new friends, that
> is "cruel." Wrong, that's called "life" and the
> kids will make new friends. And Clifton is a
> small enough area that they can see their old
> friends on weekends if their parents can leave the
> whining on this forum long enough to arrange
> something.
If I CHOOSE to move, then by all means my child will need to adapt and I expect to have to deal with the related challenges that come with it. That is by choice, not by having it inflicted upon you. I know my adjustment to a new employer is much more pleasant when I choose that transition vs being terminated as part of a layoff. Yes, children are resilient and I have seen many families working very hard to be positive in the adjustment but it is a challenge that requires a lot of focus when your child weekly talks of missing friends, teachers and programs from their old school. Things like "when is the fun fair?"; when there is none, "what is the sixth grade walk to the park going to be like"; when that won't happen, "when is the first grade play, Virginia Day, etc". The list goes on and on.
The community served by Clifton Elementary covered over 40 square miles. The students from Clifton were split into 3 different elementary school populations which was unprecedented in FCPS. Typically a school closure resulted in all students going to a new school or at most sending students to 2 schools. The closure was one thing, but the handling of the redistribution of students was a further twisting of the knife (and it continues!).
I am not sorry that I care for my children and want them to have a memorable experience in school. I am not exaggerating when I state that my child is doing ok academically but emotionally is a mess like never before. I question if some on this board are here simply to get some sick level of joy out of the challenges families are facing.
Many of you call folks who had children attending Clifton elementary racist, entitled and elitist. That is not remotely close to the type of people I experienced in the Clifton Elementary community. To have a second grader tell me that people at their new school are telling them their parents are racist and rich simply because of the school they came from is evidence that the hate is driven from adults as no 7 or 8 year-old can come up with that on their own. Grow up.
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> as long as it's not your kid, right? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So when you say our kids will be fine,
> > think about ripping your child away from his or
> > her school in fifth grade to go to a new school
> > where she knows noone.
>
> So when a family moves as a normal course of life
> and the child naturally moves with the family to a
> different school and has to make new friends, that
> is "cruel." Wrong, that's called "life" and the
> kids will make new friends. And Clifton is a
> small enough area that they can see their old
> friends on weekends if their parents can leave the
> whining on this forum long enough to arrange
> something.
If I CHOOSE to move, then by all means my child will need to adapt and I expect to have to deal with the related challenges that come with it. That is by choice, not by having it inflicted upon you. I know my adjustment to a new employer is much more pleasant when I choose that transition vs being terminated as part of a layoff. Yes, children are resilient and I have seen many families working very hard to be positive in the adjustment but it is a challenge that requires a lot of focus when your child weekly talks of missing friends, teachers and programs from their old school. Things like "when is the fun fair?"; when there is none, "what is the sixth grade walk to the park going to be like"; when that won't happen, "when is the first grade play, Virginia Day, etc". The list goes on and on.
The community served by Clifton Elementary covered over 40 square miles. The students from Clifton were split into 3 different elementary school populations which was unprecedented in FCPS. Typically a school closure resulted in all students going to a new school or at most sending students to 2 schools. The closure was one thing, but the handling of the redistribution of students was a further twisting of the knife (and it continues!).
I am not sorry that I care for my children and want them to have a memorable experience in school. I am not exaggerating when I state that my child is doing ok academically but emotionally is a mess like never before. I question if some on this board are here simply to get some sick level of joy out of the challenges families are facing.
Many of you call folks who had children attending Clifton elementary racist, entitled and elitist. That is not remotely close to the type of people I experienced in the Clifton Elementary community. To have a second grader tell me that people at their new school are telling them their parents are racist and rich simply because of the school they came from is evidence that the hate is driven from adults as no 7 or 8 year-old can come up with that on their own. Grow up.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
burke parent
()
Date: January 13, 2012 09:40AM
the Taxpayer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> burke parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Nice try, but my children didn't attend
> Clifton.
> >
>
>
> Please clarify:
>
>
> burke parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > How was Clifton unsafe? Or not up to standards?
>
> > My kids used to have art in the art room, now
> they
> > only have art on a cart. Is that up to
> standards?
> > My kids used to have all of their classes in a
> > classroom, now they have some in trailers. Is
> > that up to standards? Whose standards? Not
> mine.
>
>
> Seems that you are defending the unsafe putrid
> water CES through your kids experience.
Seems that you are a little dense, so I'll spell it out for you.
My kids didn't attend Clifton; they are at Fairview, always have been. Fairview didn't have trailers before Clifton was closed; the trailers were necessary because of the additional students.
My children used to have art in the art room at Fairview; now they only have art on a cart. I find that interesting since one of the Clifton dads was explaining that one of the reasons Clifton was deemed inadequate was because the art room at Clifton lacked a second sink. A second sink. Art on a cart is so much better than a second sink. (that's sarcasm, by the way)
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> burke parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Nice try, but my children didn't attend
> Clifton.
> >
>
>
> Please clarify:
>
>
> burke parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > How was Clifton unsafe? Or not up to standards?
>
> > My kids used to have art in the art room, now
> they
> > only have art on a cart. Is that up to
> standards?
> > My kids used to have all of their classes in a
> > classroom, now they have some in trailers. Is
> > that up to standards? Whose standards? Not
> mine.
>
>
> Seems that you are defending the unsafe putrid
> water CES through your kids experience.
Seems that you are a little dense, so I'll spell it out for you.
My kids didn't attend Clifton; they are at Fairview, always have been. Fairview didn't have trailers before Clifton was closed; the trailers were necessary because of the additional students.
My children used to have art in the art room at Fairview; now they only have art on a cart. I find that interesting since one of the Clifton dads was explaining that one of the reasons Clifton was deemed inadequate was because the art room at Clifton lacked a second sink. A second sink. Art on a cart is so much better than a second sink. (that's sarcasm, by the way)
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 13, 2012 09:45AM
the Taxpayer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> This is the piece you pulled out of that well
> written fact filled post on why it made sense to
> close Clifton?
>
> The Clifton kids are still in good schools,
> they'll continue to excel, and beyond the teeth
> gnashing and resistance to change by the parents,
> all is well. Poster 'wrong again' has shared the
> facts on why closing Clifton ES was logical and
> the right thing to do. Many people came here and
> posted nasty stuff, both during the process and
> prior to the election in November. Clifton played
> hard and dirty to keep their school open, but
> ultimately the county taxpayers had their say in
> November. All incumbents who ran were reelected.
> That's just the way things work in this country.
>
> I'll look for burkeparent's reply to my question
> on which statement was a lie, (kid went to CES or
> not), but the fats presented here (again) prove
> that closing CES was the proper action in a time
> of diminished resources.
>
> We are sorry for your loss, Rest In Peace CES.
My point is that the outside world's perception that Clifton Elementary was a private school was wrong. No one with students at Clifton Elementary perceived it as a private school. If they did, why send you child tonprivate school as many in the attendance district did prior to the school closing discussion.
As for the points you made for valid reasons to close, I need look no further than the front page of the Metro section of today's Washington Post to rebut your claims. NO ROOM AND NOT ENOUGH SPACE. If so true as stated by Dr. Dale, why remove capacity and expand the problem set as was done by pulling 400 educational seats out of the FCPS capacity?
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>
>
>
> This is the piece you pulled out of that well
> written fact filled post on why it made sense to
> close Clifton?
>
> The Clifton kids are still in good schools,
> they'll continue to excel, and beyond the teeth
> gnashing and resistance to change by the parents,
> all is well. Poster 'wrong again' has shared the
> facts on why closing Clifton ES was logical and
> the right thing to do. Many people came here and
> posted nasty stuff, both during the process and
> prior to the election in November. Clifton played
> hard and dirty to keep their school open, but
> ultimately the county taxpayers had their say in
> November. All incumbents who ran were reelected.
> That's just the way things work in this country.
>
> I'll look for burkeparent's reply to my question
> on which statement was a lie, (kid went to CES or
> not), but the fats presented here (again) prove
> that closing CES was the proper action in a time
> of diminished resources.
>
> We are sorry for your loss, Rest In Peace CES.
My point is that the outside world's perception that Clifton Elementary was a private school was wrong. No one with students at Clifton Elementary perceived it as a private school. If they did, why send you child tonprivate school as many in the attendance district did prior to the school closing discussion.
As for the points you made for valid reasons to close, I need look no further than the front page of the Metro section of today's Washington Post to rebut your claims. NO ROOM AND NOT ENOUGH SPACE. If so true as stated by Dr. Dale, why remove capacity and expand the problem set as was done by pulling 400 educational seats out of the FCPS capacity?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
No one really cares
()
Date: January 13, 2012 09:46AM
It is not over 40 sq miles once again something you made up which is to mean something significant to others but does not.
Please move on, get a grip on reality and welcome to the REAL world--Brigadoon was an imaginary place, play and movie. Time to see step into reality. Look into yourself for what is ailing your children.
The unfavorable comments about Clifton are a result of people like you. This thread is giving it back to you for all of your hateful comments that were on other threads in newspapers etc., you reap what you sew.
Please move on, get a grip on reality and welcome to the REAL world--Brigadoon was an imaginary place, play and movie. Time to see step into reality. Look into yourself for what is ailing your children.
The unfavorable comments about Clifton are a result of people like you. This thread is giving it back to you for all of your hateful comments that were on other threads in newspapers etc., you reap what you sew.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 13, 2012 10:18AM
No one really cares Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It is not over 40 sq miles once again something
> you made up which is to mean something significant
> to others but does not.
>
> Please move on, get a grip on reality and welcome
> to the REAL world--Brigadoon was an imaginary
> place, play and movie. Time to see step into
> reality. Look into yourself for what is ailing
> your children.
>
> The unfavorable comments about Clifton are a
> result of people like you. This thread is giving
> it back to you for all of your hateful comments
> that were on other threads in newspapers etc., you
> reap what you sew.
The Clifton Elementary attendance zone stretched from just west of 123 all the way to the Occoquan. It ran from Popes Head Road all the way down to Henderson Road. It was big and every bit of 40 square miles (think 5 miles wide by 8 miles long and perhaps you can understand it better).
Yes, Brigadoon was an imaginary place and a great play that I myself have seen performed a number of times by high school and professional performers. Your point?
I have been living in reality for my entire life and use nothing to try and escape it. If by reality you are saying that we all must settle for mediocre, oversized, unwelcoming education, then yes, that is what we have found in many cases. Try as hard as some might to blend in with the surroundings at the new schools, it is hard to do so when 8 year olds call others parents racist because of the elementary school they came from and not because of any statement ever made. That is reality. Care to continue to foster the bigotry and hate?
People like me? Please elaborate how my statements or posts have fostered hate? Just because of my zip code or the fact my house is valued at $550,000 makes me a target for hate? Really? Are we all in high school still or are we adults? What statements have I made that foster such a perspective? I am simply stating my experience in this process. Apparently the truth is bothersome to you.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/13/2012 10:19AM by Justataxpayer.
-------------------------------------------------------
> It is not over 40 sq miles once again something
> you made up which is to mean something significant
> to others but does not.
>
> Please move on, get a grip on reality and welcome
> to the REAL world--Brigadoon was an imaginary
> place, play and movie. Time to see step into
> reality. Look into yourself for what is ailing
> your children.
>
> The unfavorable comments about Clifton are a
> result of people like you. This thread is giving
> it back to you for all of your hateful comments
> that were on other threads in newspapers etc., you
> reap what you sew.
The Clifton Elementary attendance zone stretched from just west of 123 all the way to the Occoquan. It ran from Popes Head Road all the way down to Henderson Road. It was big and every bit of 40 square miles (think 5 miles wide by 8 miles long and perhaps you can understand it better).
Yes, Brigadoon was an imaginary place and a great play that I myself have seen performed a number of times by high school and professional performers. Your point?
I have been living in reality for my entire life and use nothing to try and escape it. If by reality you are saying that we all must settle for mediocre, oversized, unwelcoming education, then yes, that is what we have found in many cases. Try as hard as some might to blend in with the surroundings at the new schools, it is hard to do so when 8 year olds call others parents racist because of the elementary school they came from and not because of any statement ever made. That is reality. Care to continue to foster the bigotry and hate?
People like me? Please elaborate how my statements or posts have fostered hate? Just because of my zip code or the fact my house is valued at $550,000 makes me a target for hate? Really? Are we all in high school still or are we adults? What statements have I made that foster such a perspective? I am simply stating my experience in this process. Apparently the truth is bothersome to you.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/13/2012 10:19AM by Justataxpayer.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
kudos
()
Date: January 13, 2012 10:50AM
well said justataxpayer
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Laaaughing
()
Date: January 13, 2012 10:52AM
Really, the objection to most of y'all is that you won't stop the unending flow of whining and mewling about losing Little Schoolhouse In The Volvo Zone. Game over, people.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
moronsinfcps
()
Date: January 13, 2012 10:59AM
Laaughing- thanks of making the case, since you are apparently an uneducated reflection of this system: "y'all...mewling" what is that? are you from the Ozarks, is this Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies? get real, go back to the mountains of Manassas.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
another clifton parent
()
Date: January 13, 2012 11:03AM
I hate that we lost our school. I hate the overcrowding at Fairview. I hate everything about how it was handled.
BUT I can't gripe about the bus ride. My kids are on the bus about HALF as long as they were when they went to CES. My house is much closer to Fairview than CES.
It's the breaks I guess, not everybody can board at the last stop in the morning and get off at the first stop in the afternoon.
BUT I can't gripe about the bus ride. My kids are on the bus about HALF as long as they were when they went to CES. My house is much closer to Fairview than CES.
It's the breaks I guess, not everybody can board at the last stop in the morning and get off at the first stop in the afternoon.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
howsad
()
Date: January 13, 2012 11:44AM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> If I CHOOSE to move, then by all means my child
> will need to adapt and I expect to have to deal
> with the related challenges that come with it.
> That is by choice, not by having it inflicted upon
> you. I know my adjustment to a new employer is
> much more pleasant when I choose that transition
> vs being terminated as part of a layoff.
What a bubble world you must live in... coming from a military family that had me in three elementary schools as a child, I can tell you 1) moves are often NOT voluntary and 2) I turned out just fine.
When I look back at my life and think back on having to make new friends, sure it is an adjustment but I think I'm socially better for it. Plus I tripled the number of friends I had!
But saying a single school change in the same geographic area is cruel (and proceeding to defend that position) is whiney and spoiled. I am shaking my head at using that term, hard to believe some are so sheltered and limited in their thinking.
-------------------------------------------------------
> If I CHOOSE to move, then by all means my child
> will need to adapt and I expect to have to deal
> with the related challenges that come with it.
> That is by choice, not by having it inflicted upon
> you. I know my adjustment to a new employer is
> much more pleasant when I choose that transition
> vs being terminated as part of a layoff.
What a bubble world you must live in... coming from a military family that had me in three elementary schools as a child, I can tell you 1) moves are often NOT voluntary and 2) I turned out just fine.
When I look back at my life and think back on having to make new friends, sure it is an adjustment but I think I'm socially better for it. Plus I tripled the number of friends I had!
But saying a single school change in the same geographic area is cruel (and proceeding to defend that position) is whiney and spoiled. I am shaking my head at using that term, hard to believe some are so sheltered and limited in their thinking.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
justsayin
()
Date: January 13, 2012 11:46AM
No one really cares Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> you reap what you sew.
You WEAR what you sew. You reap what you sow.
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> you reap what you sew.
You WEAR what you sew. You reap what you sow.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 13, 2012 12:21PM
howsad Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Justataxpayer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If I CHOOSE to move, then by all means my child
> > will need to adapt and I expect to have to deal
> > with the related challenges that come with it.
> > That is by choice, not by having it inflicted
> upon
> > you. I know my adjustment to a new employer is
> > much more pleasant when I choose that
> transition
> > vs being terminated as part of a layoff.
>
> What a bubble world you must live in... coming
> from a military family that had me in three
> elementary schools as a child, I can tell you 1)
> moves are often NOT voluntary and 2) I turned out
> just fine.
>
> When I look back at my life and think back on
> having to make new friends, sure it is an
> adjustment but I think I'm socially better for it.
> Plus I tripled the number of friends I had!
>
> But saying a single school change in the same
> geographic area is cruel (and proceeding to defend
> that position) is whiney and spoiled. I am
> shaking my head at using that term, hard to
> believe some are so sheltered and limited in their
> thinking.
If we were a military family we would expect to move as that comes with the territory. We aren't and therefore were not expecting it. We moved where we did because we expected stability in the schools and as no major infill development was possible believed that would continue for quite some time. Seems reasonable to me to have that expectation but apparently you are also living my life in addition to your own so you know what us best.
Where did I say it had been cruel? It was unprecedented to take students from one school and redistribute them to 3 schools.
The challenges are real and have been unpleasant to deal with since they were generally unexpected as we were not moving and we are not in a situation where we would be expecting an upcoming move. Those are all facts. Also, we found that the promise of greater educational opportunities as sold to us by our school board member we 1)unable to be articulated and 2)not true. No new educational opportunities other than learning how to eat as fast as possible so the cafeteria can support all the students that need to eat. Seriously, I am not kidding.
Call it whining it you want but for me I call it a taxpayer's right to hold accountable the stewards of our tax dollars for the statements they make and for the situations they create based on their decisions.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Justataxpayer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If I CHOOSE to move, then by all means my child
> > will need to adapt and I expect to have to deal
> > with the related challenges that come with it.
> > That is by choice, not by having it inflicted
> upon
> > you. I know my adjustment to a new employer is
> > much more pleasant when I choose that
> transition
> > vs being terminated as part of a layoff.
>
> What a bubble world you must live in... coming
> from a military family that had me in three
> elementary schools as a child, I can tell you 1)
> moves are often NOT voluntary and 2) I turned out
> just fine.
>
> When I look back at my life and think back on
> having to make new friends, sure it is an
> adjustment but I think I'm socially better for it.
> Plus I tripled the number of friends I had!
>
> But saying a single school change in the same
> geographic area is cruel (and proceeding to defend
> that position) is whiney and spoiled. I am
> shaking my head at using that term, hard to
> believe some are so sheltered and limited in their
> thinking.
If we were a military family we would expect to move as that comes with the territory. We aren't and therefore were not expecting it. We moved where we did because we expected stability in the schools and as no major infill development was possible believed that would continue for quite some time. Seems reasonable to me to have that expectation but apparently you are also living my life in addition to your own so you know what us best.
Where did I say it had been cruel? It was unprecedented to take students from one school and redistribute them to 3 schools.
The challenges are real and have been unpleasant to deal with since they were generally unexpected as we were not moving and we are not in a situation where we would be expecting an upcoming move. Those are all facts. Also, we found that the promise of greater educational opportunities as sold to us by our school board member we 1)unable to be articulated and 2)not true. No new educational opportunities other than learning how to eat as fast as possible so the cafeteria can support all the students that need to eat. Seriously, I am not kidding.
Call it whining it you want but for me I call it a taxpayer's right to hold accountable the stewards of our tax dollars for the statements they make and for the situations they create based on their decisions.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
orangefanta
()
Date: January 13, 2012 01:51PM
exactly.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
OyOyOy
()
Date: January 13, 2012 02:14PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> howsad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Justataxpayer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > If I CHOOSE to move, then by all means my
> child
> > > will need to adapt and I expect to have to
> deal
> > > with the related challenges that come with it.
>
> > > That is by choice, not by having it inflicted
> > upon
> > > you. I know my adjustment to a new employer
> is
> > > much more pleasant when I choose that
> > transition
> > > vs being terminated as part of a layoff.
> >
> > What a bubble world you must live in... coming
> > from a military family that had me in three
> > elementary schools as a child, I can tell you
> 1)
> > moves are often NOT voluntary and 2) I turned
> out
> > just fine.
> >
> > When I look back at my life and think back on
> > having to make new friends, sure it is an
> > adjustment but I think I'm socially better for
> it.
> > Plus I tripled the number of friends I had!
> >
> > But saying a single school change in the same
> > geographic area is cruel (and proceeding to
> defend
> > that position) is whiney and spoiled. I am
> > shaking my head at using that term, hard to
> > believe some are so sheltered and limited in
> their
> > thinking.
>
> If we were a military family we would expect to
> move as that comes with the territory. We aren't
> and therefore were not expecting it. We moved
> where we did because we expected stability in the
> schools and as no major infill development was
> possible believed that would continue for quite
> some time. Seems reasonable to me to have that
> expectation but apparently you are also living my
> life in addition to your own so you know what us
> best.
>
> Where did I say it had been cruel? It was
> unprecedented to take students from one school and
> redistribute them to 3 schools.
>
> The challenges are real and have been unpleasant
> to deal with since they were generally unexpected
> as we were not moving and we are not in a
> situation where we would be expecting an upcoming
> move. Those are all facts. Also, we found that
> the promise of greater educational opportunities
> as sold to us by our school board member we
> 1)unable to be articulated and 2)not true. No new
> educational opportunities other than learning how
> to eat as fast as possible so the cafeteria can
> support all the students that need to eat.
> Seriously, I am not kidding.
>
> Call it whining it you want but for me I call it a
> taxpayer's right to hold accountable the stewards
> of our tax dollars for the statements they make
> and for the situations they create based on their
> decisions.
I think you should keep complaining, forever and ever. Make it your personal crusade. Ten or twelve years from now, make sure you bring it up all the time. Never forgive; never forget.
-------------------------------------------------------
> howsad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Justataxpayer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > If I CHOOSE to move, then by all means my
> child
> > > will need to adapt and I expect to have to
> deal
> > > with the related challenges that come with it.
>
> > > That is by choice, not by having it inflicted
> > upon
> > > you. I know my adjustment to a new employer
> is
> > > much more pleasant when I choose that
> > transition
> > > vs being terminated as part of a layoff.
> >
> > What a bubble world you must live in... coming
> > from a military family that had me in three
> > elementary schools as a child, I can tell you
> 1)
> > moves are often NOT voluntary and 2) I turned
> out
> > just fine.
> >
> > When I look back at my life and think back on
> > having to make new friends, sure it is an
> > adjustment but I think I'm socially better for
> it.
> > Plus I tripled the number of friends I had!
> >
> > But saying a single school change in the same
> > geographic area is cruel (and proceeding to
> defend
> > that position) is whiney and spoiled. I am
> > shaking my head at using that term, hard to
> > believe some are so sheltered and limited in
> their
> > thinking.
>
> If we were a military family we would expect to
> move as that comes with the territory. We aren't
> and therefore were not expecting it. We moved
> where we did because we expected stability in the
> schools and as no major infill development was
> possible believed that would continue for quite
> some time. Seems reasonable to me to have that
> expectation but apparently you are also living my
> life in addition to your own so you know what us
> best.
>
> Where did I say it had been cruel? It was
> unprecedented to take students from one school and
> redistribute them to 3 schools.
>
> The challenges are real and have been unpleasant
> to deal with since they were generally unexpected
> as we were not moving and we are not in a
> situation where we would be expecting an upcoming
> move. Those are all facts. Also, we found that
> the promise of greater educational opportunities
> as sold to us by our school board member we
> 1)unable to be articulated and 2)not true. No new
> educational opportunities other than learning how
> to eat as fast as possible so the cafeteria can
> support all the students that need to eat.
> Seriously, I am not kidding.
>
> Call it whining it you want but for me I call it a
> taxpayer's right to hold accountable the stewards
> of our tax dollars for the statements they make
> and for the situations they create based on their
> decisions.
I think you should keep complaining, forever and ever. Make it your personal crusade. Ten or twelve years from now, make sure you bring it up all the time. Never forgive; never forget.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
complaining
()
Date: January 13, 2012 04:17PM
If you don't don't like the complaints you can always choose not to read the posts. I find the debate interesting. It shows the SB true colors.
I am looking forward to the Virginia Supreme court regarding the emails sent by the SB too.
I am looking forward to the Virginia Supreme court regarding the emails sent by the SB too.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
robertstephens
()
Date: January 13, 2012 04:24PM
I agree with "complaining", it is not only interesting but life altering for our children and if it bores you move onto the next truckers who like porn thread.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
former teacher
()
Date: January 13, 2012 04:42PM
I don't think anyone believes that kids cannot adjust to a move. The question is: should they have to for no good reason? Clifton should not have been closed. There was no good reason. Other schools are now overcrowded that were not overcrowded before--for no good reason. Go figure.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Clifton Mom
()
Date: January 13, 2012 04:52PM
completely incorrect Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> No former Clifton student is on a bus anywhere
> near 1 hour. That is complete bullshit. 35-40
> minutes max.
>
> The only bus runs that can be 1 hour (or more) are
> GT, magnet or TJHSST. But of course those are
> voluntary.
Wrong, my child (at Fairview) is on the bus until 4:40 and that's not the last stop. Sit with us at the bus stop and then you can get your facts straight.
-------------------------------------------------------
> No former Clifton student is on a bus anywhere
> near 1 hour. That is complete bullshit. 35-40
> minutes max.
>
> The only bus runs that can be 1 hour (or more) are
> GT, magnet or TJHSST. But of course those are
> voluntary.
Wrong, my child (at Fairview) is on the bus until 4:40 and that's not the last stop. Sit with us at the bus stop and then you can get your facts straight.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Clifton mom
()
Date: January 13, 2012 04:56PM
Those of you who see this as mindless complaining should realize that your community ES could be next. For example, Garfield ES was opened in 1952 (older than CES) and had LESS students than CES. The SB could easily shut down Garfield and divide the students between Forestdale, Crestwood and Lynbrook.
Never say never.
Never say never.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 13, 2012 05:35PM
Garfield has been renovated twice in the last 25-30 years. The difference is that Garfield is a Title 1 school and therefore receives additional funding.
Garfield also has one of the highest per student renovation cost in the county at nearly $60,000 per student. CES on the other hand had one of the lowest per student cost to renovate at nearly $36,000 per student.
The spin by FCPS is blatant if you take the time to do some research. It's all there in black in white, straight from FCPS documents. We couldn't make this stuff up if we tried.
FCPS needs to get over this whole "gold standard" for renovations. Take a look at T.C. Williams in Alexandria. That school just received a state of the art renovation and still has one of the worst academic records in the country. I'm not saying this to bash T.C. Williams, it's not about that, but it proves that no matter how fancy the building is, you can't force these kids to excel. It is the teachers, students and engaged parents that push kids to excel. CES didn't need the "gold standard" renovation that FCPS claimed was essential to the success of the school. A very minor renovation at a fraction of the cost would have been more than sufficient to see CES through years of educating kids.
Oh, and to the person who keeps claiming the pump and haul was an enormous cost to the county if the school stayed open - you really need to get your facts straight! The pump and haul is for the entire Town of Clifton and the school is hooked up to it. It is still operating on a daily basis even without CES. CES has absolutely nothing to do with the expenses related to the Town pump and haul. That's just ignorant.
Garfield also has one of the highest per student renovation cost in the county at nearly $60,000 per student. CES on the other hand had one of the lowest per student cost to renovate at nearly $36,000 per student.
The spin by FCPS is blatant if you take the time to do some research. It's all there in black in white, straight from FCPS documents. We couldn't make this stuff up if we tried.
FCPS needs to get over this whole "gold standard" for renovations. Take a look at T.C. Williams in Alexandria. That school just received a state of the art renovation and still has one of the worst academic records in the country. I'm not saying this to bash T.C. Williams, it's not about that, but it proves that no matter how fancy the building is, you can't force these kids to excel. It is the teachers, students and engaged parents that push kids to excel. CES didn't need the "gold standard" renovation that FCPS claimed was essential to the success of the school. A very minor renovation at a fraction of the cost would have been more than sufficient to see CES through years of educating kids.
Oh, and to the person who keeps claiming the pump and haul was an enormous cost to the county if the school stayed open - you really need to get your facts straight! The pump and haul is for the entire Town of Clifton and the school is hooked up to it. It is still operating on a daily basis even without CES. CES has absolutely nothing to do with the expenses related to the Town pump and haul. That's just ignorant.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
wshs 81
()
Date: January 13, 2012 05:44PM
Get real Clifton Mom and others
All of you forget too easily and conveniently the reasons for the closure, how easy it is for you to claim there were "no reasons". This has been stated time and time again and the report and community meetings on this issue lasted well over 8 months, see the website.
The report, the issues, were all identified. Stop the comparisons with other schools that are in high density areas and dense population. You can not compare them to CES due to differing factors such a building location, school population and need. Too easy to make this a "fault" of someones when the reality was and is that something had to be done and costs had to be examined. Your emotion is admirable but there comes a time for pragmatic analysis.
BTW last I noted Garfield was in the middle of a populated area as is Lynnbrook and student pop. is increasing not decreasing as was NOT the case with Clifton.
All of you forget too easily and conveniently the reasons for the closure, how easy it is for you to claim there were "no reasons". This has been stated time and time again and the report and community meetings on this issue lasted well over 8 months, see the website.
The report, the issues, were all identified. Stop the comparisons with other schools that are in high density areas and dense population. You can not compare them to CES due to differing factors such a building location, school population and need. Too easy to make this a "fault" of someones when the reality was and is that something had to be done and costs had to be examined. Your emotion is admirable but there comes a time for pragmatic analysis.
BTW last I noted Garfield was in the middle of a populated area as is Lynnbrook and student pop. is increasing not decreasing as was NOT the case with Clifton.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Clifton mom
()
Date: January 13, 2012 05:46PM
Oh, that's right, Garfield is Title 1. FCPS won't close a school for which it can milk the Fed for money.
Maybe that's FCPS' ultimate goal - redistrict enough to make many more Title 1 schools.
That would mean that schools like Lemon Road and Waynewood might have bullseyes on them.
Maybe that's FCPS' ultimate goal - redistrict enough to make many more Title 1 schools.
That would mean that schools like Lemon Road and Waynewood might have bullseyes on them.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Clifton mom
()
Date: January 13, 2012 05:51PM
I moved to Clifton recently and don't have a long background with the school.
However, seeing the school and its families and faculty in action made me question the SB's reasoning, especially now that kids have an hour bus ride, the water was just fine last May and now the 3 absorbing schools are dealing with overcrowding. FCPS has grown by 15,000 students since FY08, so why are ANY schools closing??
wshs 81 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Get real Clifton Mom and others
>
> All of you forget too easily and conveniently the
> reasons for the closure, how easy it is for you to
> claim there were "no reasons". This has been
> stated time and time again and the report and
> community meetings on this issue lasted well over
> 8 months, see the website.
>
> The report, the issues, were all identified. Stop
> the comparisons with other schools that are in
> high density areas and dense population. You can
> not compare them to CES due to differing factors
> such a building location, school population and
> need. Too easy to make this a "fault" of someones
> when the reality was and is that something had to
> be done and costs had to be examined. Your
> emotion is admirable but there comes a time for
> pragmatic analysis.
>
> BTW last I noted Garfield was in the middle of a
> populated area as is Lynnbrook and student pop. is
> increasing not decreasing as was NOT the case with
> Clifton.
However, seeing the school and its families and faculty in action made me question the SB's reasoning, especially now that kids have an hour bus ride, the water was just fine last May and now the 3 absorbing schools are dealing with overcrowding. FCPS has grown by 15,000 students since FY08, so why are ANY schools closing??
wshs 81 Wrote:
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> Get real Clifton Mom and others
>
> All of you forget too easily and conveniently the
> reasons for the closure, how easy it is for you to
> claim there were "no reasons". This has been
> stated time and time again and the report and
> community meetings on this issue lasted well over
> 8 months, see the website.
>
> The report, the issues, were all identified. Stop
> the comparisons with other schools that are in
> high density areas and dense population. You can
> not compare them to CES due to differing factors
> such a building location, school population and
> need. Too easy to make this a "fault" of someones
> when the reality was and is that something had to
> be done and costs had to be examined. Your
> emotion is admirable but there comes a time for
> pragmatic analysis.
>
> BTW last I noted Garfield was in the middle of a
> populated area as is Lynnbrook and student pop. is
> increasing not decreasing as was NOT the case with
> Clifton.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Jaguar trail
()
Date: January 13, 2012 06:28PM
Clifton is not in the immediate area of overcrowding. Overcrowding is taking place on Rt. 1, Herndon and in the Bailey's area.
Capital funding is in short supply, suggest you read documentation and take some day trips to these areas and stop complaining about our Title 1 schools. I am a parent at one and proud of our achievements and know of our needs.
Falls Church needs money for a renovation along with other older high schools, too few dollars, too many needs. Your needs can't really compare---good for the SB in making a decision that actually helped the majority.
Capital funding is in short supply, suggest you read documentation and take some day trips to these areas and stop complaining about our Title 1 schools. I am a parent at one and proud of our achievements and know of our needs.
Falls Church needs money for a renovation along with other older high schools, too few dollars, too many needs. Your needs can't really compare---good for the SB in making a decision that actually helped the majority.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 13, 2012 06:40PM
Nobody was complaining about Title 1 schools, just stating facts. If the Title 1 schools need the additional funding, so be it.
That was the school mentioned in the above post, so that was the school I cited the facts for. But, not all of the schools with much higher per student costs are Title 1 schools.
FCPS can claim the student population at CES was declining all it wants, it's simply not true. The school was at max capacity when it closed and that was up from the previous year. It increased during the study, it didn't decline. When this whole thing started, FCPS was predicting CES to be OVER capacity in 5 years. The ONLY reason their projection went down is because when they re-did the projections, they left out 2 of the highest density areas that attended CES from zip codes 22030 and 22039. They manipulated the data to suit their purposes. It's that simple. When asked why they neglected to include those two areas in the new projections, the answer was because those students don't have a Clifton mailing address. So what? They were still in the CES boundary, Clifton mailing address or not. Had those 2 areas been included in the revised projections, they would have been MUCH different.
That was the school mentioned in the above post, so that was the school I cited the facts for. But, not all of the schools with much higher per student costs are Title 1 schools.
FCPS can claim the student population at CES was declining all it wants, it's simply not true. The school was at max capacity when it closed and that was up from the previous year. It increased during the study, it didn't decline. When this whole thing started, FCPS was predicting CES to be OVER capacity in 5 years. The ONLY reason their projection went down is because when they re-did the projections, they left out 2 of the highest density areas that attended CES from zip codes 22030 and 22039. They manipulated the data to suit their purposes. It's that simple. When asked why they neglected to include those two areas in the new projections, the answer was because those students don't have a Clifton mailing address. So what? They were still in the CES boundary, Clifton mailing address or not. Had those 2 areas been included in the revised projections, they would have been MUCH different.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Jaguar trail
()
Date: January 13, 2012 07:04PM
Looked at the zip codes and saw much of 22039 goes to Sangster, Halley and Silverbrook. These feed into Lake Braddock and South County and the most populous area of 22039 looks to be in the Silverbrook area. So maybe projections were not too far off. Also I noted that the 22039 area you are referring to, is I suppose, that west of 123 where there is no growth or building. I am not sure you are thinking of that and you are trying to convince yourself otherwise. I have been working on issues with Patty Reed and Sandy Evans and they pointed that out to us about density in your area vs. other areas, etc. I have also been talking with the FPAC group.
Perhaps you should talk to them?
Perhaps you should talk to them?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
maybe?
()
Date: January 13, 2012 07:11PM
Maybe the purpose is to shift students to South County to justify Liz and her buildings.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
to Jaguar mom
()
Date: January 13, 2012 07:21PM
I think I would be mad too if my HS was shit and Gatehouse has marble floors and brass bathroom fixtures. You need to focus on that. The closing of Clifton brings you no closer to fixing Falls Church HS.
The closing of CES was done in haste.
Plus you hope they deem your school worth a redo because they may close it. Better watch what you ask for.
The closing of CES was done in haste.
Plus you hope they deem your school worth a redo because they may close it. Better watch what you ask for.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Jaguar trail
()
Date: January 13, 2012 07:23PM
I take that as a sarcastic remark.
I was trying to have a serious blog conversation with herewegoagain. I met that School Board member when I was inquiring about FPAC she was pretty nice. Don't think she would do that.
Falls Church needs a renovation and we were told by Dean Tistadt that there is a backlog of needs. I guess hard decisions had to be made. When did the Board vote on your school? I thought it was several years ago.
I was trying to have a serious blog conversation with herewegoagain. I met that School Board member when I was inquiring about FPAC she was pretty nice. Don't think she would do that.
Falls Church needs a renovation and we were told by Dean Tistadt that there is a backlog of needs. I guess hard decisions had to be made. When did the Board vote on your school? I thought it was several years ago.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Jaguar trail
()
Date: January 13, 2012 07:26PM
I went to Gatehouse it is a nice building but no brass fixtures. I don't think they will close Falls Church we are pretty central and our space is needed for students, programs and community education.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 13, 2012 07:55PM
Jaguar trail Wrote:
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> I went to Gatehouse it is a nice building but no
> brass fixtures. I don't think they will close
> Falls Church we are pretty central and our space
> is needed for students, programs and community
> education.
Gatehouse is a tremendous facility for any and all support staff. It was created at a time when Fairfax was living "high on the hog" due to massive growth in tax revenues. If some forward thinking and budget restraint had been exercised then, perhaps we would not be so far behind in the renovation queue work and student learning environments would take priority over the top brass.
At any rate I would completely agree that Falls Church needs in on the renovation timelines. A revisiting of the sacred queue may be possible with an upcoming analysis in 2013 of current school facility status across the county. Again, if someone had been planning correctly and setting aside funds for what were known capital needs in the future we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now.
And yes, welcome to the conversation. I wish you the best in your attempts to get things moving for your community. By the looks of the registered speakers at the CIP public hearing you had a good showing of support from your community.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I went to Gatehouse it is a nice building but no
> brass fixtures. I don't think they will close
> Falls Church we are pretty central and our space
> is needed for students, programs and community
> education.
Gatehouse is a tremendous facility for any and all support staff. It was created at a time when Fairfax was living "high on the hog" due to massive growth in tax revenues. If some forward thinking and budget restraint had been exercised then, perhaps we would not be so far behind in the renovation queue work and student learning environments would take priority over the top brass.
At any rate I would completely agree that Falls Church needs in on the renovation timelines. A revisiting of the sacred queue may be possible with an upcoming analysis in 2013 of current school facility status across the county. Again, if someone had been planning correctly and setting aside funds for what were known capital needs in the future we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now.
And yes, welcome to the conversation. I wish you the best in your attempts to get things moving for your community. By the looks of the registered speakers at the CIP public hearing you had a good showing of support from your community.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 13, 2012 08:02PM
Jaguar trail Wrote:
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> Looked at the zip codes and saw much of 22039 goes
> to Sangster, Halley and Silverbrook. These feed
> into Lake Braddock and South County and the most
> populous area of 22039 looks to be in the
> Silverbrook area. So maybe projections were not
> too far off. Also I noted that the 22039 area you
> are referring to, is I suppose, that west of 123
> where there is no growth or building. I am not
> sure you are thinking of that and you are trying
> to convince yourself otherwise. I have been
> working on issues with Patty Reed and Sandy Evans
> and they pointed that out to us about density in
> your area vs. other areas, etc. I have also been
> talking with the FPAC group.
>
> Perhaps you should talk to them?
22030 which was not included in the analysis actually is the most densely populated of all of the zip codes that had students attending Clifton Elementary outside of the Town of Clifton itself.
I appreciate your insights into the FPAC discussions and your own engagement with them. Wish that group had existed when the Clifton topic was on the table back in 2009-2010. Have you found them to be approachable? Unfortunately due to work schedules and business travel I was not able to attend the listening tour or sit in on any of their retreat discussions. Just curious as to the focus there at this point and if anything of substance outside of what I have found on FCPS.edu has been covered by that team of volunteers.
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> Looked at the zip codes and saw much of 22039 goes
> to Sangster, Halley and Silverbrook. These feed
> into Lake Braddock and South County and the most
> populous area of 22039 looks to be in the
> Silverbrook area. So maybe projections were not
> too far off. Also I noted that the 22039 area you
> are referring to, is I suppose, that west of 123
> where there is no growth or building. I am not
> sure you are thinking of that and you are trying
> to convince yourself otherwise. I have been
> working on issues with Patty Reed and Sandy Evans
> and they pointed that out to us about density in
> your area vs. other areas, etc. I have also been
> talking with the FPAC group.
>
> Perhaps you should talk to them?
22030 which was not included in the analysis actually is the most densely populated of all of the zip codes that had students attending Clifton Elementary outside of the Town of Clifton itself.
I appreciate your insights into the FPAC discussions and your own engagement with them. Wish that group had existed when the Clifton topic was on the table back in 2009-2010. Have you found them to be approachable? Unfortunately due to work schedules and business travel I was not able to attend the listening tour or sit in on any of their retreat discussions. Just curious as to the focus there at this point and if anything of substance outside of what I have found on FCPS.edu has been covered by that team of volunteers.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Working for the good of all
()
Date: January 13, 2012 08:23PM
Gatehouse is a disaster. How dare they build Gatehouse when so many of our schools are falling apart.
As FC parents we should UNITE to bring about change. The closing of CES should be a warning to all of us.
I believe in our new SB. I will support moving up Falls Church HS in renovations. Gatehouse should be ashamed.
As FC parents we should UNITE to bring about change. The closing of CES should be a warning to all of us.
I believe in our new SB. I will support moving up Falls Church HS in renovations. Gatehouse should be ashamed.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
completely incorrect
()
Date: January 13, 2012 08:39PM
Clifton Mom Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> completely incorrect Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No former Clifton student is on a bus anywhere
> > near 1 hour. That is complete bullshit. 35-40
> > minutes max.
> >
> > The only bus runs that can be 1 hour (or more)
> are
> > GT, magnet or TJHSST. But of course those are
> > voluntary.
>
> Wrong, my child (at Fairview) is on the bus until
> 4:40 and that's not the last stop. Sit with us at
> the bus stop and then you can get your facts
> straight.
You're the one that seems to have your facts mixed up. Fairview doesn't even release until 3:45 p.m. It takes at least 10-15 minutes to load all those buses. The buses don't roll out of Fairview until 4:00 p.m. or very close to it on a good day.
On a bad day, you have parents that suddenly decide they want to pick up their kids AFTER the kids have boarded their bus. Finding and getting their kids off the bus delays all the buses behind it in line.
People exagerrate when they are pissed off. NO Fairview kid is on a bus for an hour under normal circumstances. Backups caused by car crashes, trees down across the road, or the flooding in September are the examples of abnormal circumstances.
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> completely incorrect Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No former Clifton student is on a bus anywhere
> > near 1 hour. That is complete bullshit. 35-40
> > minutes max.
> >
> > The only bus runs that can be 1 hour (or more)
> are
> > GT, magnet or TJHSST. But of course those are
> > voluntary.
>
> Wrong, my child (at Fairview) is on the bus until
> 4:40 and that's not the last stop. Sit with us at
> the bus stop and then you can get your facts
> straight.
You're the one that seems to have your facts mixed up. Fairview doesn't even release until 3:45 p.m. It takes at least 10-15 minutes to load all those buses. The buses don't roll out of Fairview until 4:00 p.m. or very close to it on a good day.
On a bad day, you have parents that suddenly decide they want to pick up their kids AFTER the kids have boarded their bus. Finding and getting their kids off the bus delays all the buses behind it in line.
People exagerrate when they are pissed off. NO Fairview kid is on a bus for an hour under normal circumstances. Backups caused by car crashes, trees down across the road, or the flooding in September are the examples of abnormal circumstances.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Confused by completely incorrect
()
Date: January 13, 2012 08:45PM
You are correct that the busses do not leave till 4:05.
The parents getting their kids off the bus after school is incorrect.
The parents getting their kids off the bus after school is incorrect.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
D.O.G.S.
()
Date: January 13, 2012 09:46PM
Confused by completely incorrect Wrote:
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> The parents getting their kids off the bus after
> school is incorrect.
It happens regularly. I'm a watchdog and have seen it with my own eyes.
Office staff will board a bus and yell, "Johnny, your mom is at Kiss & Ride".
-------------------------------------------------------
> The parents getting their kids off the bus after
> school is incorrect.
It happens regularly. I'm a watchdog and have seen it with my own eyes.
Office staff will board a bus and yell, "Johnny, your mom is at Kiss & Ride".
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 13, 2012 10:09PM
Jaguar trail Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I take that as a sarcastic remark.
>
> I was trying to have a serious blog conversation
> with herewegoagain. I met that School Board member
> when I was inquiring about FPAC she was pretty
> nice. Don't think she would do that.
>
> Falls Church needs a renovation and we were told
> by Dean Tistadt that there is a backlog of needs.
> I guess hard decisions had to be made. When did
> the Board vote on your school? I thought it was
> several years ago.
You're in good hands with Patty Reed and Sandy Evans. I believe that both will work hard for you. The new School Board needs to re-evaluate the way schools are placed on the queue, period.
The vote to close CES was on July 8, 2010 and closed June 2011. I won't repeat the entire history of it here as it's already on this board on another thread, but it's all there, in black and white, most of it from Bradsher's own emails. There is one particular email where Bradsher tells another board member "if one were to go by the committee report, Clifton would stay open". The committee report was from the Southwestern Regional Planning Committee. She was very distressed over this because it did not support her "behind the scenes" scheming to close the school. That was when the future enrollment projection was revised to show a declining population. It was a master production of manipulation.
You are correct that most of 22039 does attend Sangster and Silverbrook and feed into South County. However, there were 27 students from 22039 excluded from the revised future projections and 97 students excluded from 22030. That's 127 students left out. THAT is how the declining population came about and CES went from 397 students to less than 300 students, literally overnight. One day we were expected to be overcrowded by 22 students in 5 years, the next we were expected to be grossly under populated by over 100 students in 5 years - a change that happened literally overnight. If the projections had been done using the entire CES boundary, it would have still shown CES as overcrowded in 5 years. I have the actual FCPS documents that prove all of this.
Bus times are longer for the vast majority of Clifton kids now. Some are shorter, but there are very few with shorter bus rides. My kids are actually on the bus for about 40 minutes, but they arrive at school at least 20 minutes early every day because Fairview doesn't have enough room to fit all the buses in the lot at the same time. Therefore, the Clifton buses arrive first every morning and the rest of the arrival times are staggered to allow the buses from Clifton to clear out before the buses from Burke arrive. So no, my kids are not on the bus for an hour, but they certainly do leave the house an hour before school starts. They used to leave 30 minutes before school started and they still had 5-10 minutes to spare once they arrived. It may not be an hour bus ride, but it's still an hour from the time they leave until they arrive in their classroom.
Gatehouse may not have brass fixtures, but how much do you think that fancy parking garage cost? Did you notice the little red and green lights above each parking space, in a garage that is mostly empty most of the time? Was that really necessary? Since when do people need little lights above each space to tell us if a car is parked in that space? That blew my mind the first time I saw it. It's just wasteful spending. Spending that should have gone into our schools that need it.
To the person that speculated about closing CES in order to ship Clifton kids down to South County in order to fill that school - DING, DING, DING!!! You win the grand prize!!! I've said that from the very beginning. Clifton parents that now have their kids at Fairview, you better be prepared for it. A high school boundary study is coming; it's only a matter of time. South County Middle School is projected to open at 60% capacity and Robinson is projected to be overcrowded. FCPS already tried to convince us once that Sangster is closer and that's where our kids should be. What do you think is going to happen when SOCO middle school opens?
While I'm on the subject of SOCO, whomever made the claim on here the other day that South County was NEVER intended to be a secondary school, oh puh-leeze!!! It was ALWAYS supposed to be a secondary school. When you have taxpayers that are actually paying attention and actually have copies of the CIP going back 10 years, don't try to lie to us anymore. We're not buying it.
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> I take that as a sarcastic remark.
>
> I was trying to have a serious blog conversation
> with herewegoagain. I met that School Board member
> when I was inquiring about FPAC she was pretty
> nice. Don't think she would do that.
>
> Falls Church needs a renovation and we were told
> by Dean Tistadt that there is a backlog of needs.
> I guess hard decisions had to be made. When did
> the Board vote on your school? I thought it was
> several years ago.
You're in good hands with Patty Reed and Sandy Evans. I believe that both will work hard for you. The new School Board needs to re-evaluate the way schools are placed on the queue, period.
The vote to close CES was on July 8, 2010 and closed June 2011. I won't repeat the entire history of it here as it's already on this board on another thread, but it's all there, in black and white, most of it from Bradsher's own emails. There is one particular email where Bradsher tells another board member "if one were to go by the committee report, Clifton would stay open". The committee report was from the Southwestern Regional Planning Committee. She was very distressed over this because it did not support her "behind the scenes" scheming to close the school. That was when the future enrollment projection was revised to show a declining population. It was a master production of manipulation.
You are correct that most of 22039 does attend Sangster and Silverbrook and feed into South County. However, there were 27 students from 22039 excluded from the revised future projections and 97 students excluded from 22030. That's 127 students left out. THAT is how the declining population came about and CES went from 397 students to less than 300 students, literally overnight. One day we were expected to be overcrowded by 22 students in 5 years, the next we were expected to be grossly under populated by over 100 students in 5 years - a change that happened literally overnight. If the projections had been done using the entire CES boundary, it would have still shown CES as overcrowded in 5 years. I have the actual FCPS documents that prove all of this.
Bus times are longer for the vast majority of Clifton kids now. Some are shorter, but there are very few with shorter bus rides. My kids are actually on the bus for about 40 minutes, but they arrive at school at least 20 minutes early every day because Fairview doesn't have enough room to fit all the buses in the lot at the same time. Therefore, the Clifton buses arrive first every morning and the rest of the arrival times are staggered to allow the buses from Clifton to clear out before the buses from Burke arrive. So no, my kids are not on the bus for an hour, but they certainly do leave the house an hour before school starts. They used to leave 30 minutes before school started and they still had 5-10 minutes to spare once they arrived. It may not be an hour bus ride, but it's still an hour from the time they leave until they arrive in their classroom.
Gatehouse may not have brass fixtures, but how much do you think that fancy parking garage cost? Did you notice the little red and green lights above each parking space, in a garage that is mostly empty most of the time? Was that really necessary? Since when do people need little lights above each space to tell us if a car is parked in that space? That blew my mind the first time I saw it. It's just wasteful spending. Spending that should have gone into our schools that need it.
To the person that speculated about closing CES in order to ship Clifton kids down to South County in order to fill that school - DING, DING, DING!!! You win the grand prize!!! I've said that from the very beginning. Clifton parents that now have their kids at Fairview, you better be prepared for it. A high school boundary study is coming; it's only a matter of time. South County Middle School is projected to open at 60% capacity and Robinson is projected to be overcrowded. FCPS already tried to convince us once that Sangster is closer and that's where our kids should be. What do you think is going to happen when SOCO middle school opens?
While I'm on the subject of SOCO, whomever made the claim on here the other day that South County was NEVER intended to be a secondary school, oh puh-leeze!!! It was ALWAYS supposed to be a secondary school. When you have taxpayers that are actually paying attention and actually have copies of the CIP going back 10 years, don't try to lie to us anymore. We're not buying it.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Wrong again
()
Date: January 13, 2012 10:24PM
Lies, lies and lies and lies from Herewegoagain. Comments and allegations on SOCO are so off base---YOU know very little, it is comical.
You are so wrought with contempt, aren't you tired of all this?
You are so wrought with contempt, aren't you tired of all this?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 13, 2012 10:45PM
D.O.G.S. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Confused by completely incorrect Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The parents getting their kids off the bus
> after
> > school is incorrect.
>
> It happens regularly. I'm a watchdog and have
> seen it with my own eyes.
>
> Office staff will board a bus and yell, "Johnny,
> your mom is at Kiss & Ride".
I'm not trying to defend the parents that are holding up the buses in order for their child to be pulled from the bus, but I do know why it is happening. It takes SOOOOO long to get through the kiss and ride, by the time you get to the front, most of the buses are already loaded and your child is already on the bus. Again, there is NOT ENOUGH ROOM at Fairview to handle the number of kids there. That doesn't excuse parents holding up the buses. They should call the school by a pre-determined time if they are going to pick their kids up and then that policy needs to be enforced.
If there's an emergency or the weather has caused road closures, etc., then exceptions should be considered. Under normal circumstances though, if the kid is already on the bus, they should ride the bus.
My kids like riding the bus. To them, it's social hour (figure of speech, already explained mine are on the bus for about 40 minutes). I rarely have to pick them up or use kiss and ride, but when I do, I make sure to inform the school of that by 3:00, at the latest. I don't see why other parents can't do the same.
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> Confused by completely incorrect Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The parents getting their kids off the bus
> after
> > school is incorrect.
>
> It happens regularly. I'm a watchdog and have
> seen it with my own eyes.
>
> Office staff will board a bus and yell, "Johnny,
> your mom is at Kiss & Ride".
I'm not trying to defend the parents that are holding up the buses in order for their child to be pulled from the bus, but I do know why it is happening. It takes SOOOOO long to get through the kiss and ride, by the time you get to the front, most of the buses are already loaded and your child is already on the bus. Again, there is NOT ENOUGH ROOM at Fairview to handle the number of kids there. That doesn't excuse parents holding up the buses. They should call the school by a pre-determined time if they are going to pick their kids up and then that policy needs to be enforced.
If there's an emergency or the weather has caused road closures, etc., then exceptions should be considered. Under normal circumstances though, if the kid is already on the bus, they should ride the bus.
My kids like riding the bus. To them, it's social hour (figure of speech, already explained mine are on the bus for about 40 minutes). I rarely have to pick them up or use kiss and ride, but when I do, I make sure to inform the school of that by 3:00, at the latest. I don't see why other parents can't do the same.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 13, 2012 11:39PM
Wrong again Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lies, lies and lies and lies from Herewegoagain.
> Comments and allegations on SOCO are so off
> base---YOU know very little, it is comical.
>
> You are so wrought with contempt, aren't you tired
> of all this?
Aren't you? Why are you still here? You're no longer in office. You're no longer my school board representative.
Deny being Bradsher all you want. I've read so many of your emails, I recognize your writing and lack of basic grammar skills. If you're not Liz, register your user name and post under it every time you post on here. I have and I'm not ashamed of anything that I've posted because it is all fact and I have the proof to back it up. Okay, closing Clifton to move kids to SOCO is speculation, I'll give you that one. I don't have absolute proof of that, but I can see the writing on the wall.
You, on the other hand, have yet to provide proof of your claims. You claim bad water - I have a copy of the final water report that proves otherwise. You claim higher per student costs - I have copies of CIPs and actual renovation costs that prove otherwise. I could go on, but arguing with you is simply not worth my time. I'll continue to post on here because taxpayers should know where their hard earned dollars are going and how this situation was manipulated by FCPS. Not because I'm wrought with contempt.
Consider me someone that made the mistake of not paying enough attention before, but will damn sure be paying attention from now on. You see, I trusted my elected representative to actually represent me; not just a portion of the district she was elected to - or try to claim that you were doing the best thing for the entire county. You didn't hold an at-large seat. You do know that, right? Your job was to represent the Springfield District. ALL of the Springfield District.
In fact, the 3 actual At-Large members were not in favor of closing CES, right up until the last minute. Again, I have the proof to show that. Shall I pull the emails between you, Ms. Wilson and Mr. Gibson, the night before the vote where you were expressing concern because you still didn't think you had Mr. Moon's or Dr. Rainey's votes to close CES? (There was no doubt where Ms. Hone stood on the subject, so no need to lobby her for her vote to close.) Yet, at the same time, there are emails from you to members of the Clifton community where you are assuring them that you are working on something that would postpone the vote to decide the fate of Clifton until more accurate enrollment projections could be determined. Shall I pull those to refresh your memory? It was Ms. Hone that offered to defer the vote, not you. Ms. Hone was reprensenting us as an At-Large member, doing the best thing for the entire county, not you. Had the vote been deferred for 3 years, as Ms. Hone put forth, we wouldn't be dealing with overcrowding in Fairview, Oak View and Union Mill now.
We'll see what the Supreme Court has to say on the matter, and I'll continue to do my civic duty to inform as many people as I can on what actually happened, not what FCPS's professional public relations department wants them to believe.
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> Lies, lies and lies and lies from Herewegoagain.
> Comments and allegations on SOCO are so off
> base---YOU know very little, it is comical.
>
> You are so wrought with contempt, aren't you tired
> of all this?
Aren't you? Why are you still here? You're no longer in office. You're no longer my school board representative.
Deny being Bradsher all you want. I've read so many of your emails, I recognize your writing and lack of basic grammar skills. If you're not Liz, register your user name and post under it every time you post on here. I have and I'm not ashamed of anything that I've posted because it is all fact and I have the proof to back it up. Okay, closing Clifton to move kids to SOCO is speculation, I'll give you that one. I don't have absolute proof of that, but I can see the writing on the wall.
You, on the other hand, have yet to provide proof of your claims. You claim bad water - I have a copy of the final water report that proves otherwise. You claim higher per student costs - I have copies of CIPs and actual renovation costs that prove otherwise. I could go on, but arguing with you is simply not worth my time. I'll continue to post on here because taxpayers should know where their hard earned dollars are going and how this situation was manipulated by FCPS. Not because I'm wrought with contempt.
Consider me someone that made the mistake of not paying enough attention before, but will damn sure be paying attention from now on. You see, I trusted my elected representative to actually represent me; not just a portion of the district she was elected to - or try to claim that you were doing the best thing for the entire county. You didn't hold an at-large seat. You do know that, right? Your job was to represent the Springfield District. ALL of the Springfield District.
In fact, the 3 actual At-Large members were not in favor of closing CES, right up until the last minute. Again, I have the proof to show that. Shall I pull the emails between you, Ms. Wilson and Mr. Gibson, the night before the vote where you were expressing concern because you still didn't think you had Mr. Moon's or Dr. Rainey's votes to close CES? (There was no doubt where Ms. Hone stood on the subject, so no need to lobby her for her vote to close.) Yet, at the same time, there are emails from you to members of the Clifton community where you are assuring them that you are working on something that would postpone the vote to decide the fate of Clifton until more accurate enrollment projections could be determined. Shall I pull those to refresh your memory? It was Ms. Hone that offered to defer the vote, not you. Ms. Hone was reprensenting us as an At-Large member, doing the best thing for the entire county, not you. Had the vote been deferred for 3 years, as Ms. Hone put forth, we wouldn't be dealing with overcrowding in Fairview, Oak View and Union Mill now.
We'll see what the Supreme Court has to say on the matter, and I'll continue to do my civic duty to inform as many people as I can on what actually happened, not what FCPS's professional public relations department wants them to believe.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
wrong again
()
Date: January 14, 2012 09:36AM
Your baiting is extremely tiresome. I have been reading these entries for awhile and along with The Taxpayer and others we are demonstrating that your bitterness and revisionist history is your's and doesn't represent those of us who think otherwise.
Wherever Bradsher is I say good luck to her. I can do whatever I like on this blog similar to The Taxpayer and others. Because you are from Clifton please do not believe you can dictate what goes on this blog.
Wherever Bradsher is I say good luck to her. I can do whatever I like on this blog similar to The Taxpayer and others. Because you are from Clifton please do not believe you can dictate what goes on this blog.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Not wrong
()
Date: January 14, 2012 10:39AM
This blog is about Clifton ES. If you don't like you can stop coming on here.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
possible reasons to close Clifton
()
Date: January 14, 2012 10:56AM
1. Help Bradsher/Tistadt defend SC Middle School by sending Fairview students there. Would have been hard to do if the kids were still at Clifton.
2. Sell Clifton site to some kind of developer???
3. Justify lots of new construction at additional schools which help Tistadt's construction empire.
4. Justify moving WS High up the queue list increading Bradsher's chances of relection.
5. Redistricting of elementary schools helping Smith to justify getting poor kids out of Poplar Tree--increasing her chances of reelection and popularity in her own neighborhood.
Feel free to add to the list.......
2. Sell Clifton site to some kind of developer???
3. Justify lots of new construction at additional schools which help Tistadt's construction empire.
4. Justify moving WS High up the queue list increading Bradsher's chances of relection.
5. Redistricting of elementary schools helping Smith to justify getting poor kids out of Poplar Tree--increasing her chances of reelection and popularity in her own neighborhood.
Feel free to add to the list.......
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: January 14, 2012 11:24AM
6. Bradsher's way of showing Herrity who is boss in Springfield district in her mind. The school board acted like ticked off teenagers that couldn't get the keys to the family car when the BOS held money from budgets, etc. They continued to push the blame to the BOS for their own inability to provide oversight to expenditures. The BOS was having none of it and I hope/pray the BOS don't entertain the 9% increase Dale is currently seeking.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the Taxpayer
()
Date: January 14, 2012 12:05PM
1. It was the correct option based on limited capital resources, facility issues and declining enrollment.
Pretty simple.
The amazing part of the closure process was watching a predominantly Republican conservative town and Pat Herrity turn around and embrace liberal viewpoints. That's what I call NIMBY, RINO and hypocritical.
Pretty simple.
The amazing part of the closure process was watching a predominantly Republican conservative town and Pat Herrity turn around and embrace liberal viewpoints. That's what I call NIMBY, RINO and hypocritical.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
to taxpayer
()
Date: January 14, 2012 12:08PM
read Patch:
BOS --including Bulova--has already said that budget is unrealistic.
I see lots of problems with the budget.
Did you see SB meeting? Schultz asked if FCPS doesn't need to get some outside help on projections because of the record of poor projections in the past. Dale's response: something like I'm ahead of you on this--we hired a demographer 2 years ago. My question: is this the same demographer who left zip codes out of Clifton projections? Enough said.
BOS --including Bulova--has already said that budget is unrealistic.
I see lots of problems with the budget.
Did you see SB meeting? Schultz asked if FCPS doesn't need to get some outside help on projections because of the record of poor projections in the past. Dale's response: something like I'm ahead of you on this--we hired a demographer 2 years ago. My question: is this the same demographer who left zip codes out of Clifton projections? Enough said.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
waybackwhen
()
Date: January 14, 2012 03:24PM
It was interesting to hear conservative republicans actually advocating for something that I support as a progressive-good education! I actually had to believe in Eliz Schultz because in all honesty she is the only one to stand up to FCPS and their invented numbers and BS research projects. CES was closed because FCPS is sick of dealing with parents that they perceive as having a since of entitlement (which, does btw actually improve education, squeeky wheel...) if all parents stood up for their schools they could all be good, but too many parents are too "busy" and just assume because their realtor tells them, that their schools are good, when in reality, they suck!!! Good for you CES parents!!!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
the Taxpayer
()
Date: January 14, 2012 05:17PM
waybackwhen Wrote:
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> It was interesting to hear conservative
> republicans actually advocating for something that
> I support as a progressive-good education! I
> actually had to believe in Eliz Schultz because in
> all honesty she is the only one to stand up to
> FCPS and their invented numbers and BS research
> projects. CES was closed because FCPS is sick of
> dealing with parents that they perceive as having
> a since of entitlement (which, does btw actually
> improve education, squeeky wheel...) if all
> parents stood up for their schools they could all
> be good, but too many parents are too "busy" and
> just assume because their realtor tells them, that
> their schools are good, when in reality, they
> suck!!! Good for you CES parents!!!
Do you take drugs that cause hallucinations or are they from a mental disease?
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> It was interesting to hear conservative
> republicans actually advocating for something that
> I support as a progressive-good education! I
> actually had to believe in Eliz Schultz because in
> all honesty she is the only one to stand up to
> FCPS and their invented numbers and BS research
> projects. CES was closed because FCPS is sick of
> dealing with parents that they perceive as having
> a since of entitlement (which, does btw actually
> improve education, squeeky wheel...) if all
> parents stood up for their schools they could all
> be good, but too many parents are too "busy" and
> just assume because their realtor tells them, that
> their schools are good, when in reality, they
> suck!!! Good for you CES parents!!!
Do you take drugs that cause hallucinations or are they from a mental disease?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
jaguar trail is Liz
()
Date: January 14, 2012 10:42PM
Hi Liz! Good to know your premature retirement (yessss!) leaves you plenty of time to troll.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Happy Trails
()
Date: January 14, 2012 10:47PM
Please, please do the county and ride off into the sunset.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Happy Trails
()
Date: January 14, 2012 10:48PM
a favor, that is
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
likewise
()
Date: January 14, 2012 10:55PM
wrong again Wrote:
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> Your baiting is extremely tiresome.
I have been reading these entries for awhile and along with
>
>
>A) Just like your Board service
B) you should have spent more time listening to your constituents (or the silence or whatever) and less time reading effing FFXU.
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> Your baiting is extremely tiresome.
I have been reading these entries for awhile and along with
>
>
>A) Just like your Board service
B) you should have spent more time listening to your constituents (or the silence or whatever) and less time reading effing FFXU.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
reopen CES
()
Date: January 15, 2012 08:22AM
There was NO real reason to close CES no matter how they made up numbers and fake reasons, they just were fairly successful in waging class warfare in the system. All the surrounding communities hate Clifton because there are nicer homes on 5 acre lots, they paid the price, they should have the school they want. Same thing with other nice areas that border not as nice areas- ie, herndon/great falls/Chantilly...you spend more money you should be able to have an elementary school that reflects your community.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Fairfax guy
()
Date: January 16, 2012 09:34AM
Much of the water in the town of Clifton should be tested.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Well water testing
()
Date: January 16, 2012 01:30PM
We had our Clifton well water tested before we moved in. The report came back with no problems. I love the taste too.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
guy5
()
Date: March 12, 2012 08:51PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> 6. Bradsher's way of showing Herrity who is boss
> in Springfield district in her mind. The school
> board acted like ticked off teenagers that
> couldn't get the keys to the family car when the
> BOS held money from budgets, etc. They continued
> to push the blame to the BOS for their own
> inability to provide oversight to expenditures.
> The BOS was having none of it and I hope/pray the
> BOS don't entertain the 9% increase Dale is
> currently seeking.
Who knows the story behind this guy???????.....
ARMENDARIS ","DAVID ","J","040"," 6801","NEWMAN ","RD","CLIFTON ","VA","08/17/2005","FAIL OBEY HWY
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> 6. Bradsher's way of showing Herrity who is boss
> in Springfield district in her mind. The school
> board acted like ticked off teenagers that
> couldn't get the keys to the family car when the
> BOS held money from budgets, etc. They continued
> to push the blame to the BOS for their own
> inability to provide oversight to expenditures.
> The BOS was having none of it and I hope/pray the
> BOS don't entertain the 9% increase Dale is
> currently seeking.
Who knows the story behind this guy???????.....
ARMENDARIS ","DAVID ","J","040"," 6801","NEWMAN ","RD","CLIFTON ","VA","08/17/2005","FAIL OBEY HWY
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
cliftonite
()
Date: March 12, 2012 09:33PM
He passed away from leukemia a few years ago.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
justsayin
()
Date: April 16, 2012 01:30PM
Now this is in the courts:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virginia-supreme-court-to-weigh-limits-on-official-e-mail-in-fairfax-schools-case/2012/04/13/gIQArNs9ET_story.html?hpid=z7
Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear arguments Monday in a case arising from Fairfax County schools that could impose new limits on how elected officials use e-mail to discuss public business.
The key question is whether hundreds of e-mails, which Fairfax School Board members sent to one another before a controversial vote to close Clifton Elementary School, constituted secret meetings in violation of the state Freedom of Information Act.
Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear arguments Fairfax School Board case that could impose new limits on elected officials’ use of e-mail to discuss public business.
The case arose last year when Clifton parent Jill DeMello Hill filed a lawsuit in an effort to force a revote on the school’s closure and a broader examination of whether e-mails pinging between BlackBerrys and laptops have allowed the kind of private deliberations that the state law is meant to prevent.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virginia-supreme-court-to-weigh-limits-on-official-e-mail-in-fairfax-schools-case/2012/04/13/gIQArNs9ET_story.html?hpid=z7
Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear arguments Monday in a case arising from Fairfax County schools that could impose new limits on how elected officials use e-mail to discuss public business.
The key question is whether hundreds of e-mails, which Fairfax School Board members sent to one another before a controversial vote to close Clifton Elementary School, constituted secret meetings in violation of the state Freedom of Information Act.
Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear arguments Fairfax School Board case that could impose new limits on elected officials’ use of e-mail to discuss public business.
The case arose last year when Clifton parent Jill DeMello Hill filed a lawsuit in an effort to force a revote on the school’s closure and a broader examination of whether e-mails pinging between BlackBerrys and laptops have allowed the kind of private deliberations that the state law is meant to prevent.
POPCORN!! SODA POP!!! GET'CHER POPCORN RIGHT HERE!!
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: April 16, 2012 02:37PM
see, I'm selling concessions before the fight :)
edit:
well I guess between rounds 2 and 3 LoLz
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/16/2012 02:38PM by Gordon Blvd.
edit:
well I guess between rounds 2 and 3 LoLz
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/16/2012 02:38PM by Gordon Blvd.
Re: POPCORN!! SODA POP!!! GET'CHER POPCORN RIGHT HERE!!
Posted by:
srsly.
()
Date: April 16, 2012 03:12PM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> see, I'm selling concessions before the fight :)
>
> edit:
> well I guess between rounds 2 and 3 LoLz
Another post from the goofus.
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> see, I'm selling concessions before the fight :)
>
> edit:
> well I guess between rounds 2 and 3 LoLz
Another post from the goofus.
Re: POPCORN!! SODA POP!!! GET'CHER POPCORN RIGHT HERE!!
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: April 16, 2012 07:36PM
srsly. Wrote:
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>
>
> Another post from the goofus.
yes, yes.........I know, I know.......
Attachments:
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>
>
> Another post from the goofus.
yes, yes.........I know, I know.......
Attachments:
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Snobs lose again
()
Date: June 09, 2012 09:47AM
So the ultra selfish clifton moms get shut down again. Now lets raze whats left of the CES building and build a monument to selfishness, hate, ignorance and intolerance to remind future generations of how foul and disgusting people can become.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virginia-supreme-court-rules-fairfax-school-board-did-not-break-state-law-with-e-mails/2012/06/07/gJQACDsHLV_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virginia-supreme-court-rules-fairfax-school-board-did-not-break-state-law-with-e-mails/2012/06/07/gJQACDsHLV_story.html
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
neighbor 2
()
Date: June 09, 2012 09:56AM
justsayin Wrote:
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> Now this is in the courts:
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virg
> inia-supreme-court-to-weigh-limits-on-official-e-m
> ail-in-fairfax-schools-case/2012/04/13/gIQArNs9ET_
> story.html?hpid=z7
>
> Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear
> arguments Monday in a case arising from Fairfax
> County schools that could impose new limits on how
> elected officials use e-mail to discuss public
> business.
>
> The key question is whether hundreds of e-mails,
> which Fairfax School Board members sent to one
> another before a controversial vote to close
> Clifton Elementary School, constituted secret
> meetings in violation of the state Freedom of
> Information Act.
>
> Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear
> arguments Fairfax School Board case that could
> impose new limits on elected officials’ use of
> e-mail to discuss public business.
>
> The case arose last year when Clifton parent Jill
> DeMello Hill filed a lawsuit in an effort to force
> a revote on the school’s closure and a broader
> examination of whether e-mails pinging between
> BlackBerrys and laptops have allowed the kind of
> private deliberations that the state law is meant
> to prevent.
Is this the mom who was threatening to stamp her feet and hold her breath till her face turned blue if the rest of the county would not let her have her way?
"HILL ","JILL ","D","042"," 7516","EVANS FORD ","RD","CLIFTON ","VA","08/03/2009","RUNNING AT LARGE "
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> Now this is in the courts:
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virg
> inia-supreme-court-to-weigh-limits-on-official-e-m
> ail-in-fairfax-schools-case/2012/04/13/gIQArNs9ET_
> story.html?hpid=z7
>
> Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear
> arguments Monday in a case arising from Fairfax
> County schools that could impose new limits on how
> elected officials use e-mail to discuss public
> business.
>
> The key question is whether hundreds of e-mails,
> which Fairfax School Board members sent to one
> another before a controversial vote to close
> Clifton Elementary School, constituted secret
> meetings in violation of the state Freedom of
> Information Act.
>
> Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear
> arguments Fairfax School Board case that could
> impose new limits on elected officials’ use of
> e-mail to discuss public business.
>
> The case arose last year when Clifton parent Jill
> DeMello Hill filed a lawsuit in an effort to force
> a revote on the school’s closure and a broader
> examination of whether e-mails pinging between
> BlackBerrys and laptops have allowed the kind of
> private deliberations that the state law is meant
> to prevent.
Is this the mom who was threatening to stamp her feet and hold her breath till her face turned blue if the rest of the county would not let her have her way?
"HILL ","JILL ","D","042"," 7516","EVANS FORD ","RD","CLIFTON ","VA","08/03/2009","RUNNING AT LARGE "
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 09, 2012 09:57AM
so what yr saying is that you want them to build a monument in yr honor?
LoLz
pic unrelated
Attachments:
LoLz
pic unrelated
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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
clifton moms are hot
()
Date: June 09, 2012 10:08AM
some of them are.
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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
another neighbor
()
Date: June 09, 2012 01:10PM
That aint no Clifton mom, they don't wear clothes like that and they certainly don't smile.
Hill lost and so did Clifton they have no one to blame but themselves to include Schultz and others.
Now they must pay up and suck it up. Suggest they be annexed to PW County. Osbourn HS could use them.
Hill lost and so did Clifton they have no one to blame but themselves to include Schultz and others.
Now they must pay up and suck it up. Suggest they be annexed to PW County. Osbourn HS could use them.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Liz Fan
()
Date: June 09, 2012 03:27PM
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
just because
()
Date: June 09, 2012 03:57PM
Just because it's legal, that doesn't make it moral, right, or even smart. Closing Clifton was not a good decision.
cause, y'know $$$$ is more inportant than community in Fairfax County dont y'all know this by now?
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 09, 2012 04:02PM
@just - all about the Benjamins, baby.........................
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
The right call
()
Date: June 09, 2012 04:09PM
just because Wrote:
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> Just because it's legal, that doesn't make it
> moral, right, or even smart. Closing Clifton was
> not a good decision.
No, being legal doesn't mean it's smart, but it was. And most people agree. I can understand how people living near the school would want it to stay open, closing to made sense. And closing the school was not amoral.
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> Just because it's legal, that doesn't make it
> moral, right, or even smart. Closing Clifton was
> not a good decision.
No, being legal doesn't mean it's smart, but it was. And most people agree. I can understand how people living near the school would want it to stay open, closing to made sense. And closing the school was not amoral.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
No, no, no
()
Date: June 09, 2012 05:05PM
CES will reopen.
Where are we going to put these 4,000 new kids joining FCPS next year?
Jack Dale is a fraud.
Where are we going to put these 4,000 new kids joining FCPS next year?
Jack Dale is a fraud.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Fairview mom
()
Date: June 09, 2012 05:11PM
Yes, PLEASE re-open Clifton Elementary, so my kids can ride the bus again!
The behavior of many of those Clifton kids is HORRIBLE, so bad that I've been forced to drive my kids to school. I'm not the only one that has been forced to do this, I'd say half the moms on my street have also started driving.
It's a pain but I refuse to have my kids being struck, verbally/emotionally abused, and subjected to almost non-stop screaming by these animals from Clifton.
The driver does the best she can but she has to drive the damned bus. They should put an aide on those Clifton buses to try maintain a semblance of order.
Or better yet, RE-OPEN CLIFTON!!!
The behavior of many of those Clifton kids is HORRIBLE, so bad that I've been forced to drive my kids to school. I'm not the only one that has been forced to do this, I'd say half the moms on my street have also started driving.
It's a pain but I refuse to have my kids being struck, verbally/emotionally abused, and subjected to almost non-stop screaming by these animals from Clifton.
The driver does the best she can but she has to drive the damned bus. They should put an aide on those Clifton buses to try maintain a semblance of order.
Or better yet, RE-OPEN CLIFTON!!!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
yes, yes, yes
()
Date: June 09, 2012 05:11PM
Not happening.
But if you think it will reopen I hear there is a bridge for sale in Brooklyn, you might want to check that out too.
But if you think it will reopen I hear there is a bridge for sale in Brooklyn, you might want to check that out too.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 09, 2012 05:11PM
HEY! There's a good point. How are the surrounding schools - how have they been handling this?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Fairview mom is Liz Bradsher
()
Date: June 09, 2012 05:22PM
If not this mom is just one fat jealous bitch.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Don't blame the kids
()
Date: June 09, 2012 06:45PM
Fairview mom Wrote:
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> Yes, PLEASE re-open Clifton Elementary, so my kids
> can ride the bus again!
>
> The behavior of many of those Clifton kids is
> HORRIBLE, so bad that I've been forced to drive my
> kids to school. I'm not the only one that has
> been forced to do this, I'd say half the moms on
> my street have also started driving.
>
> It's a pain but I refuse to have my kids being
> struck, verbally/emotionally abused, and
> subjected to almost non-stop screaming by these
> animals from Clifton.
>
> The driver does the best she can but she has to
> drive the damned bus. They should put an aide on
> those Clifton buses to try maintain a semblance of
> order.
>
> Or better yet, RE-OPEN CLIFTON!!!
Not sure this post is true, but if so, it's is only because the parents of these kids went way overboard and got their kids all worked up. The kids will go to whichever school the bus takes them. Unfortunately for these kids, they were told by their parents that they had been wronged and probably a bunch of other things. No wonder they are acting out.
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> Yes, PLEASE re-open Clifton Elementary, so my kids
> can ride the bus again!
>
> The behavior of many of those Clifton kids is
> HORRIBLE, so bad that I've been forced to drive my
> kids to school. I'm not the only one that has
> been forced to do this, I'd say half the moms on
> my street have also started driving.
>
> It's a pain but I refuse to have my kids being
> struck, verbally/emotionally abused, and
> subjected to almost non-stop screaming by these
> animals from Clifton.
>
> The driver does the best she can but she has to
> drive the damned bus. They should put an aide on
> those Clifton buses to try maintain a semblance of
> order.
>
> Or better yet, RE-OPEN CLIFTON!!!
Not sure this post is true, but if so, it's is only because the parents of these kids went way overboard and got their kids all worked up. The kids will go to whichever school the bus takes them. Unfortunately for these kids, they were told by their parents that they had been wronged and probably a bunch of other things. No wonder they are acting out.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
former bus driver
()
Date: June 09, 2012 07:20PM
Don't blame the kids Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Fairview mom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yes, PLEASE re-open Clifton Elementary, so my
> kids
> > can ride the bus again!
> >
> > The behavior of many of those Clifton kids is
> > HORRIBLE, so bad that I've been forced to drive
> my
> > kids to school. I'm not the only one that has
> > been forced to do this, I'd say half the moms
> on
> > my street have also started driving.
> >
> > It's a pain but I refuse to have my kids being
> > struck, verbally/emotionally abused, and
> > subjected to almost non-stop screaming by these
> > animals from Clifton.
> >
> > The driver does the best she can but she has to
> > drive the damned bus. They should put an aide
> on
> > those Clifton buses to try maintain a semblance
> of
> > order.
> >
> > Or better yet, RE-OPEN CLIFTON!!!
>
>
> Not sure this post is true, but if so, it's is
> only because the parents of these kids went way
> overboard and got their kids all worked up. The
> kids will go to whichever school the bus takes
> them. Unfortunately for these kids, they were told
> by their parents that they had been wronged and
> probably a bunch of other things. No wonder they
> are acting out.
I can belive this post. I have no knowledge of Clifton, but as a former driver I can tell you that the more affluent a kid's family is, the worse the behavior of the kid. Of course, there are exceptions, but this is generally true.
I attribute it to the kids being told that low-level folks like bus drivers are beneath them, sort of like dogshit that they scrape off their shoes. Also they arte told that the rules simply don't apply to them, they are special. Therefore, they raise hell on the bus or otherwise do as they damned please. They certainly don't take directions from servants like bus drivers, etc.
I drove in the Great Falls/Langley area which is as affluent as Clifton. The Great Falls kids are also horribly behaved on the bus. It's funny, I was later transferred to the Reston area and served supposedly terrible schools like Dogwood and Hunter Woods and those kids were far better behaved!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Fairview mom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yes, PLEASE re-open Clifton Elementary, so my
> kids
> > can ride the bus again!
> >
> > The behavior of many of those Clifton kids is
> > HORRIBLE, so bad that I've been forced to drive
> my
> > kids to school. I'm not the only one that has
> > been forced to do this, I'd say half the moms
> on
> > my street have also started driving.
> >
> > It's a pain but I refuse to have my kids being
> > struck, verbally/emotionally abused, and
> > subjected to almost non-stop screaming by these
> > animals from Clifton.
> >
> > The driver does the best she can but she has to
> > drive the damned bus. They should put an aide
> on
> > those Clifton buses to try maintain a semblance
> of
> > order.
> >
> > Or better yet, RE-OPEN CLIFTON!!!
>
>
> Not sure this post is true, but if so, it's is
> only because the parents of these kids went way
> overboard and got their kids all worked up. The
> kids will go to whichever school the bus takes
> them. Unfortunately for these kids, they were told
> by their parents that they had been wronged and
> probably a bunch of other things. No wonder they
> are acting out.
I can belive this post. I have no knowledge of Clifton, but as a former driver I can tell you that the more affluent a kid's family is, the worse the behavior of the kid. Of course, there are exceptions, but this is generally true.
I attribute it to the kids being told that low-level folks like bus drivers are beneath them, sort of like dogshit that they scrape off their shoes. Also they arte told that the rules simply don't apply to them, they are special. Therefore, they raise hell on the bus or otherwise do as they damned please. They certainly don't take directions from servants like bus drivers, etc.
I drove in the Great Falls/Langley area which is as affluent as Clifton. The Great Falls kids are also horribly behaved on the bus. It's funny, I was later transferred to the Reston area and served supposedly terrible schools like Dogwood and Hunter Woods and those kids were far better behaved!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Former CES Parent
()
Date: June 09, 2012 07:39PM
Interesting theory, but the CES population included kids from middle class areas like the Colchester Hunt subdivision, and poor areas like Vannoy park. Personally, I didn't see any difference between Clifton kids and kids from other areas. Some (most) good, some not so good but redeemable, and some just plain bad.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Vannoy park visitor
()
Date: June 09, 2012 09:41PM
Former CES Parent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Interesting theory, but the CES population
> included kids from middle class areas like the
> Colchester Hunt subdivision, and poor areas like
> Vannoy park. Personally, I didn't see any
> difference between Clifton kids and kids from
> other areas. Some (most) good, some not so good
> but redeemable, and some just plain bad.
LOL! Vannoy park consists of 15 redneck houses and 23 $400,000 plus houses.
Only three of the redneck houses have kids and they were happy to be sent to fairview.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Interesting theory, but the CES population
> included kids from middle class areas like the
> Colchester Hunt subdivision, and poor areas like
> Vannoy park. Personally, I didn't see any
> difference between Clifton kids and kids from
> other areas. Some (most) good, some not so good
> but redeemable, and some just plain bad.
LOL! Vannoy park consists of 15 redneck houses and 23 $400,000 plus houses.
Only three of the redneck houses have kids and they were happy to be sent to fairview.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: June 09, 2012 11:18PM
Former CES Parent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Interesting theory, but the CES population
> included kids from middle class areas like the
> Colchester Hunt subdivision, and poor areas like
> Vannoy park. Personally, I didn't see any
> difference between Clifton kids and kids from
> other areas. Some (most) good, some not so good
> but redeemable, and some just plain bad.
Based on the home values in the actual Town of Clifton for most homes (except Frog Hill), I would say the town itself qualifies as middle class. Some $500k homes in town and many $500k homes outside of town. Home value is not always a reflection of actual wealth either. Not sure where to find the info but I am certain there are a number of underwater homes in the Clifton area. No different than other areas in Fairfax County.
As for the behavior of children on school buses, there are rules and if the kids are hitting others, have the hitters removed from the bus. How hard is that? Talk to the Fairview principal about it and name names of the miscreants if the situation is really so bad that you have to clog up the already dangerous kiss and ride at Fairview daily so your child feels safe on their ride to school. From what I saw of bus routes this year, very few if any prior Fairview students are on routes that cover the legacy Clifton attendance area. Your concerns hold little basis in fact if you don't have those in positions of responsibility fixing the problem for you versus you just removing your child from the bus.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Interesting theory, but the CES population
> included kids from middle class areas like the
> Colchester Hunt subdivision, and poor areas like
> Vannoy park. Personally, I didn't see any
> difference between Clifton kids and kids from
> other areas. Some (most) good, some not so good
> but redeemable, and some just plain bad.
Based on the home values in the actual Town of Clifton for most homes (except Frog Hill), I would say the town itself qualifies as middle class. Some $500k homes in town and many $500k homes outside of town. Home value is not always a reflection of actual wealth either. Not sure where to find the info but I am certain there are a number of underwater homes in the Clifton area. No different than other areas in Fairfax County.
As for the behavior of children on school buses, there are rules and if the kids are hitting others, have the hitters removed from the bus. How hard is that? Talk to the Fairview principal about it and name names of the miscreants if the situation is really so bad that you have to clog up the already dangerous kiss and ride at Fairview daily so your child feels safe on their ride to school. From what I saw of bus routes this year, very few if any prior Fairview students are on routes that cover the legacy Clifton attendance area. Your concerns hold little basis in fact if you don't have those in positions of responsibility fixing the problem for you versus you just removing your child from the bus.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
dell ave
()
Date: June 10, 2012 09:31AM
Pool party at Liz's place today to celebrate her latest victory!
Check out these nice folks that live on frog hill in the town of Clifton.
Talk about selfish, we can swim at Liz's house while these Cliftonites will continue to swim in lake "ME".
Check out these nice folks that live on frog hill in the town of Clifton.
Talk about selfish, we can swim at Liz's house while these Cliftonites will continue to swim in lake "ME".
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Real Data
()
Date: June 10, 2012 10:43AM
To Former CES Parent living in Colchester Hunt---
See below, suggest you try to get facts on an issue -- but perhaps that would be asking too much from a bitter parent who believed Clifton was teflon to county issues and needs?
Household Income
Median Household Income
Clifton, VA 152,188 USD
Virginia 61,406 USD
U.S. 51,914 USD
Mean Household Income
Clifton, VA 201,697 USD
Virginia 82,584 USD
U.S. 70,883 USD
See below, suggest you try to get facts on an issue -- but perhaps that would be asking too much from a bitter parent who believed Clifton was teflon to county issues and needs?
Household Income
Median Household Income
Clifton, VA 152,188 USD
Virginia 61,406 USD
U.S. 51,914 USD
Mean Household Income
Clifton, VA 201,697 USD
Virginia 82,584 USD
U.S. 70,883 USD
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
manassas city family
()
Date: June 10, 2012 08:30PM
Clifton Parent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It is time to move on. The school is closing and
> our kids will learn more in their new locations
> with diverse classmates.
>
> I cannot believe the whining about this, it is
> extremely embarrassing. When I'm asked where I am
> from, I now respond with 'just outside of
> Centreville'.
>
> Get over it already.
I know how more and more western Fairfax county residents like to say they are from Manassas. That sounds pretty impressive but it is giving Manassas a bad name.
-------------------------------------------------------
> It is time to move on. The school is closing and
> our kids will learn more in their new locations
> with diverse classmates.
>
> I cannot believe the whining about this, it is
> extremely embarrassing. When I'm asked where I am
> from, I now respond with 'just outside of
> Centreville'.
>
> Get over it already.
I know how more and more western Fairfax county residents like to say they are from Manassas. That sounds pretty impressive but it is giving Manassas a bad name.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Proud to be from Clifton!
()
Date: June 10, 2012 08:40PM
I love Clifton. We have made many wonderful friends and it is a great community.
Many of us are over the closing of CES. We have moved on. We are over it. I suggest if you are embarrassed you have some sort of guilt.
Life is too short to stay bitter.
Many of us are over the closing of CES. We have moved on. We are over it. I suggest if you are embarrassed you have some sort of guilt.
Life is too short to stay bitter.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
qoiuroqwu
()
Date: June 11, 2012 07:43AM
the "town of Clifton" does not include Clifton and the 20124 zip code (it is just the town), the larger more expensive homes are in the outlying areas and also include 22039 (Fx Sta)-it is basically the part that used to be the area that including CES. That is the high income area (not Little Rocky Run) and there is a BIG difference. So you can stop whining and debating.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: June 11, 2012 10:25AM
qoiuroqwu Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> the "town of Clifton" does not include Clifton and
> the 20124 zip code (it is just the town), the
> larger more expensive homes are in the outlying
> areas and also include 22039 (Fx Sta)-it is
> basically the part that used to be the area that
> including CES. That is the high income area (not
> Little Rocky Run) and there is a BIG difference.
> So you can stop whining and debating.
Exactly my point that it seems few understand.
-------------------------------------------------------
> the "town of Clifton" does not include Clifton and
> the 20124 zip code (it is just the town), the
> larger more expensive homes are in the outlying
> areas and also include 22039 (Fx Sta)-it is
> basically the part that used to be the area that
> including CES. That is the high income area (not
> Little Rocky Run) and there is a BIG difference.
> So you can stop whining and debating.
Exactly my point that it seems few understand.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
modular learning
()
Date: June 12, 2012 04:30AM
No, no, no Wrote:
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> CES will reopen.
>
> Where are we going to put these 4,000 new kids
> joining FCPS next year?
>
> Jack Dale is a fraud.
They have it covered.
Attachments:
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> CES will reopen.
>
> Where are we going to put these 4,000 new kids
> joining FCPS next year?
>
> Jack Dale is a fraud.
They have it covered.
Attachments:
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Looks good to me
()
Date: June 12, 2012 07:56AM
See nothing wrong with modulars for the short term. Spending money for buildings that will be under enrolled in the future due to pop changes is a waste. The major growth in pop. is not in Clifton, check inside the beltway or Rt. 1 or is that too far for you to look or perhaps you did not realize the county was bigger than Clifton?
You do need to move on....
You do need to move on....
will y'all PLEASE just shut up about the whole "move on" thing already?
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 12, 2012 09:21AM
in case y'all havent noticed..................the ppl of Clifton HAVE moved on........
havent seen or heard one Richie-Rich say that "fight aint over"
so let them mourn their school and STFU they didnt do anything wrong..............sheesh!
havent seen or heard one Richie-Rich say that "fight aint over"
so let them mourn their school and STFU they didnt do anything wrong..............sheesh!
Re: will y'all PLEASE just shut up about the whole "move on" thing already?
Posted by:
upscale education
()
Date: June 12, 2012 06:37PM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> in case y'all havent noticed..................the
> ppl of Clifton HAVE moved on........
>
> havent seen or heard one Richie-Rich say that
> "fight aint over"
>
> so let them mourn their school and STFU they didnt
> do anything wrong..............sheesh!
The charter school plan is in the works. We may not get the CES building or site but it will be open by 2015 at the very latest. In the meantime my kids are going to the highland school in Warrenton.
-------------------------------------------------------
> in case y'all havent noticed..................the
> ppl of Clifton HAVE moved on........
>
> havent seen or heard one Richie-Rich say that
> "fight aint over"
>
> so let them mourn their school and STFU they didnt
> do anything wrong..............sheesh!
The charter school plan is in the works. We may not get the CES building or site but it will be open by 2015 at the very latest. In the meantime my kids are going to the highland school in Warrenton.
Re: will y'all PLEASE just shut up about the whole "move on" thing already?
Posted by:
2015?
()
Date: June 12, 2012 09:19PM
We have moved on.
We are happy.
We will continue where we are.
We will go to Robinson!
Good luck to you in Warrenton.
Good night!
We are happy.
We will continue where we are.
We will go to Robinson!
Good luck to you in Warrenton.
Good night!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
all too convenient
()
Date: June 12, 2012 09:36PM
If you moved on then why read these posts?
The residents of Clifton demonstrated who they were and are, it is not pretty. People don't forget as evidenced by this forum.
Will the"so called" town cough up money again for legal fees via taxation? Great foresight.
The residents of Clifton demonstrated who they were and are, it is not pretty. People don't forget as evidenced by this forum.
Will the"so called" town cough up money again for legal fees via taxation? Great foresight.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Really?
()
Date: June 13, 2012 06:45AM
I am allowed to read about my own community that got bashed with lies.
Still over it.
:)
Still over it.
:)
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 13, 2012 11:42AM
@really? - oh no, not "lies". it is called "misinformation", you see LoLz. @upscale - awesome! ;)
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
on the hill
()
Date: August 01, 2012 06:41AM
Saw a crane set up at the CES ruins yesterday. I thought they were not going to tear down the building. Does anyone know whats going on?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
New roof
()
Date: August 01, 2012 06:44AM
They are putting on a new roof.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
on the hill
()
Date: August 01, 2012 12:19PM
New roof Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> They are putting on a new roof.
Does this mean that the school will get reopened soon?
-------------------------------------------------------
> They are putting on a new roof.
Does this mean that the school will get reopened soon?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
not true
()
Date: August 01, 2012 06:29PM
Nope --- closed.
No new roof ---give it up.
No new roof ---give it up.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Well, maybe
()
Date: August 02, 2012 01:41AM
A number of competing interests going on here:
"They" are making CES as unusable as possible to make sure it can not reopen.
The now greatly overcrowded schools that received all the CES students are looking for a way to send them back.
Some members of the school board who favored the reopening of CES during the campaign are now focusing their efforts on starting and ending high schools at later times.
"They" are making CES as unusable as possible to make sure it can not reopen.
The now greatly overcrowded schools that received all the CES students are looking for a way to send them back.
Some members of the school board who favored the reopening of CES during the campaign are now focusing their efforts on starting and ending high schools at later times.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
not true
()
Date: August 02, 2012 07:03AM
Those "other" schools are at capacity and being used wisely for the sake of tax- payers.
The dysfunctional Board has no funds to put into CES to renovate it. Your Clifton SB member has not won one amendment or motion---highly unlikely she will get anything done. Get over it and move on the rest of us did.
The dysfunctional Board has no funds to put into CES to renovate it. Your Clifton SB member has not won one amendment or motion---highly unlikely she will get anything done. Get over it and move on the rest of us did.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
personna non grata
()
Date: August 02, 2012 01:48PM
"The dysfunctional Board has no funds to put into CES to renovate it. Your Clifton SB member has not won one amendment or motion---highly unlikely she will get anything done. Get over it and move on the rest of us did."
Obviously, the former Springfield rep has an abundance of time on her hands and a terminal case of sour grapes. Good thing she's permanently out of the public arena.
Obviously, the former Springfield rep has an abundance of time on her hands and a terminal case of sour grapes. Good thing she's permanently out of the public arena.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Clifton Dad
()
Date: August 02, 2012 05:35PM
I am not happy about my kid having to go to Fairview with all the kids from loser families. The other day my kid asked me what a Cleveland steamer was. This never would have happened if he was still at CES.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
not true
()
Date: August 02, 2012 05:43PM
Get over it personna whatever....
Hope she returns, and so do a lot of others. Your grapes are truly tainted...too bad for you.
Hope she returns, and so do a lot of others. Your grapes are truly tainted...too bad for you.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Amazing
()
Date: August 02, 2012 05:58PM
FCPS ruined hundreds of kids lives and no one cares.
Did you know all three schools that the CES kids were splt up into are now overcrowded? 30 kids in some classes. Forty five minute bus rides.
This has not turned out well. FCPS does not care about kids or communities.
We have moved on but will not forget.
Did you know all three schools that the CES kids were splt up into are now overcrowded? 30 kids in some classes. Forty five minute bus rides.
This has not turned out well. FCPS does not care about kids or communities.
We have moved on but will not forget.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Your Child's Teacher
()
Date: August 02, 2012 07:29PM
Clifton Dad Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The other day my kid asked me what a Cleveland
> steamer was.
But could you answer the question?
I hope you asked your child which definition of Cleveland Steamer they meant. It is important to use the phrase correctly in their fifth grade SOL writings.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cleveland%20steamer
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> The other day my kid asked me what a Cleveland
> steamer was.
But could you answer the question?
I hope you asked your child which definition of Cleveland Steamer they meant. It is important to use the phrase correctly in their fifth grade SOL writings.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cleveland%20steamer
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
steamer guy
()
Date: August 03, 2012 05:02AM
Your Child's Teacher Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Clifton Dad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > The other day my kid asked me what a Cleveland
> > steamer was.
>
> But could you answer the question?
>
> I hope you asked your child which definition of
> Cleveland Steamer they meant. It is important to
> use the phrase correctly in their fifth grade SOL
> writings.
>
>
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cle
> veland%20steamer
This is the type of steamer used in most county school kitchens.
Attachments:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Clifton Dad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > The other day my kid asked me what a Cleveland
> > steamer was.
>
> But could you answer the question?
>
> I hope you asked your child which definition of
> Cleveland Steamer they meant. It is important to
> use the phrase correctly in their fifth grade SOL
> writings.
>
>
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cle
> veland%20steamer
This is the type of steamer used in most county school kitchens.
Attachments:
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
personna non grata
()
Date: August 03, 2012 10:38AM
"Hope she returns, and so do a lot of others."
Bueller? Bueller?
Bueller? Bueller?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
county guy
()
Date: August 03, 2012 02:39PM
neighbor 2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Now this is in the courts:
> >
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virg
>
> >
> inia-supreme-court-to-weigh-limits-on-official-e-m
>
> >
> ail-in-fairfax-schools-case/2012/04/13/gIQArNs9ET_
>
> > story.html?hpid=z7
> >
> > Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear
> > arguments Monday in a case arising from Fairfax
> > County schools that could impose new limits on
> how
> > elected officials use e-mail to discuss public
> > business.
> >
> > The key question is whether hundreds of
> e-mails,
> > which Fairfax School Board members sent to one
> > another before a controversial vote to close
> > Clifton Elementary School, constituted secret
> > meetings in violation of the state Freedom of
> > Information Act.
> >
> > Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear
> > arguments Fairfax School Board case that could
> > impose new limits on elected officials’ use
> of
> > e-mail to discuss public business.
> >
> > The case arose last year when Clifton parent
> Jill
> > DeMello Hill filed a lawsuit in an effort to
> force
> > a revote on the school’s closure and a
> broader
> > examination of whether e-mails pinging between
> > BlackBerrys and laptops have allowed the kind
> of
> > private deliberations that the state law is
> meant
> > to prevent.
>
> Is this the mom who was threatening to stamp her
> feet and hold her breath till her face turned blue
> if the rest of the county would not let her have
> her way?
>
> "HILL ","JILL ","D","042","
> 7516","EVANS FORD ","RD","CLIFTON
> ","VA","08/03/2009","RUNNING AT LARGE
> "
what kind of charge is "running at large"?
-------------------------------------------------------
> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Now this is in the courts:
> >
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virg
>
> >
> inia-supreme-court-to-weigh-limits-on-official-e-m
>
> >
> ail-in-fairfax-schools-case/2012/04/13/gIQArNs9ET_
>
> > story.html?hpid=z7
> >
> > Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear
> > arguments Monday in a case arising from Fairfax
> > County schools that could impose new limits on
> how
> > elected officials use e-mail to discuss public
> > business.
> >
> > The key question is whether hundreds of
> e-mails,
> > which Fairfax School Board members sent to one
> > another before a controversial vote to close
> > Clifton Elementary School, constituted secret
> > meetings in violation of the state Freedom of
> > Information Act.
> >
> > Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear
> > arguments Fairfax School Board case that could
> > impose new limits on elected officials’ use
> of
> > e-mail to discuss public business.
> >
> > The case arose last year when Clifton parent
> Jill
> > DeMello Hill filed a lawsuit in an effort to
> force
> > a revote on the school’s closure and a
> broader
> > examination of whether e-mails pinging between
> > BlackBerrys and laptops have allowed the kind
> of
> > private deliberations that the state law is
> meant
> > to prevent.
>
> Is this the mom who was threatening to stamp her
> feet and hold her breath till her face turned blue
> if the rest of the county would not let her have
> her way?
>
> "HILL ","JILL ","D","042","
> 7516","EVANS FORD ","RD","CLIFTON
> ","VA","08/03/2009","RUNNING AT LARGE
> "
what kind of charge is "running at large"?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
derh
()
Date: August 03, 2012 02:48PM
It means her dog gof off its leash and/or ran off her property.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
FCPS
()
Date: August 03, 2012 08:39PM
Since the influx of Hispanics to the FCPS they may need to reopen CES since Jack Dale does not know his head from his ass.
Just watch.
He is leaving and CES will reopen.
LOL!
Just watch.
He is leaving and CES will reopen.
LOL!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Clifton dad
()
Date: August 03, 2012 10:13PM
county guy Wrote:
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> neighbor 2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > justsayin Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Now this is in the courts:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virg
>
> >
> > >
> >
> inia-supreme-court-to-weigh-limits-on-official-e-m
>
> >
> > >
> >
> ail-in-fairfax-schools-case/2012/04/13/gIQArNs9ET_
>
> >
> > > story.html?hpid=z7
> > >
> > > Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to
> hear
> > > arguments Monday in a case arising from
> Fairfax
> > > County schools that could impose new limits
> on
> > how
> > > elected officials use e-mail to discuss
> public
> > > business.
> > >
> > > The key question is whether hundreds of
> > e-mails,
> > > which Fairfax School Board members sent to
> one
> > > another before a controversial vote to close
> > > Clifton Elementary School, constituted secret
> > > meetings in violation of the state Freedom of
> > > Information Act.
> > >
> > > Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to
> hear
> > > arguments Fairfax School Board case that
> could
> > > impose new limits on elected officials’ use
> > of
> > > e-mail to discuss public business.
> > >
> > > The case arose last year when Clifton parent
> > Jill
> > > DeMello Hill filed a lawsuit in an effort to
> > force
> > > a revote on the school’s closure and a
> > broader
> > > examination of whether e-mails pinging
> between
> > > BlackBerrys and laptops have allowed the kind
> > of
> > > private deliberations that the state law is
> > meant
> > > to prevent.
> >
> > Is this the mom who was threatening to stamp
> her
> > feet and hold her breath till her face turned
> blue
> > if the rest of the county would not let her
> have
> > her way?
> >
> > "HILL ","JILL ","D","042","
>
> > 7516","EVANS FORD ","RD","CLIFTON
> > ","VA","08/03/2009","RUNNING AT LARGE
>
> > "
>
>
> what kind of charge is "running at large"?
It was at least one horse and it caused a bad crash, people were hurt from what I understand.
-------------------------------------------------------
> neighbor 2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > justsayin Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Now this is in the courts:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virg
>
> >
> > >
> >
> inia-supreme-court-to-weigh-limits-on-official-e-m
>
> >
> > >
> >
> ail-in-fairfax-schools-case/2012/04/13/gIQArNs9ET_
>
> >
> > > story.html?hpid=z7
> > >
> > > Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to
> hear
> > > arguments Monday in a case arising from
> Fairfax
> > > County schools that could impose new limits
> on
> > how
> > > elected officials use e-mail to discuss
> public
> > > business.
> > >
> > > The key question is whether hundreds of
> > e-mails,
> > > which Fairfax School Board members sent to
> one
> > > another before a controversial vote to close
> > > Clifton Elementary School, constituted secret
> > > meetings in violation of the state Freedom of
> > > Information Act.
> > >
> > > Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to
> hear
> > > arguments Fairfax School Board case that
> could
> > > impose new limits on elected officials’ use
> > of
> > > e-mail to discuss public business.
> > >
> > > The case arose last year when Clifton parent
> > Jill
> > > DeMello Hill filed a lawsuit in an effort to
> > force
> > > a revote on the school’s closure and a
> > broader
> > > examination of whether e-mails pinging
> between
> > > BlackBerrys and laptops have allowed the kind
> > of
> > > private deliberations that the state law is
> > meant
> > > to prevent.
> >
> > Is this the mom who was threatening to stamp
> her
> > feet and hold her breath till her face turned
> blue
> > if the rest of the county would not let her
> have
> > her way?
> >
> > "HILL ","JILL ","D","042","
>
> > 7516","EVANS FORD ","RD","CLIFTON
> > ","VA","08/03/2009","RUNNING AT LARGE
>
> > "
>
>
> what kind of charge is "running at large"?
It was at least one horse and it caused a bad crash, people were hurt from what I understand.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
peta2012
()
Date: September 15, 2012 09:18AM
derh Wrote:
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> It means her dog gof off its leash and/or ran off
> her property.
So Jill likes to neglect and or abuse animals?
She might be a republican like Mitt Romney.
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> It means her dog gof off its leash and/or ran off
> her property.
So Jill likes to neglect and or abuse animals?
She might be a republican like Mitt Romney.
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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
20124
()
Date: October 15, 2012 02:23PM
As the local student population continues to rise in the immediate area Clifton School may be forced to reopen its doors. It aint over until Mrs. Mcphee sings!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Bored and tired
()
Date: October 15, 2012 04:15PM
It ain't open til it's open. Until then, it's still closed and decaying.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
county maintenance
()
Date: October 15, 2012 04:47PM
Bored and tired Wrote:
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> It ain't open til it's open. Until then, it's
> still closed and decaying.
The only reason the CES building has not been razed yet is the high cost of asbestos remediation that will have to be done before it can legally be razed. The school will not reopen but there is nothing stopping a new school from being built on the site other than money and the fact that the location is impractical.
Since the chiller was removed along with the extremely high ODP (ozone depletion potential) refrigerant the building has really begun to mold up. It wont be long before a SCBA tank will be required to enter the structure.
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> It ain't open til it's open. Until then, it's
> still closed and decaying.
The only reason the CES building has not been razed yet is the high cost of asbestos remediation that will have to be done before it can legally be razed. The school will not reopen but there is nothing stopping a new school from being built on the site other than money and the fact that the location is impractical.
Since the chiller was removed along with the extremely high ODP (ozone depletion potential) refrigerant the building has really begun to mold up. It wont be long before a SCBA tank will be required to enter the structure.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: October 15, 2012 05:04PM
@county - any idea on how much it's gonna cost to raze?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
county maintenance
()
Date: October 15, 2012 06:19PM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @county - any idea on how much it's gonna cost to
> raze?
No but I understand the BOS has authorized the general services dept to begin taking bids to see if they can fit the demolition into the budget next fiscal year. I have heard that parks and rec would like to use that site at some point and I think that would be a good fit for the property as it already has a small athletic field as well as road access and parking lot in reasonable condition.
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> @county - any idea on how much it's gonna cost to
> raze?
No but I understand the BOS has authorized the general services dept to begin taking bids to see if they can fit the demolition into the budget next fiscal year. I have heard that parks and rec would like to use that site at some point and I think that would be a good fit for the property as it already has a small athletic field as well as road access and parking lot in reasonable condition.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: October 15, 2012 06:31PM
@county - thanks for that info. sad that the building cant be saved though................
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
old student
()
Date: December 07, 2012 08:34AM
http://www.fcps.edu/CliftonES/
WE REOPEN THIS SCHOOL
WE REOPEN THIS SCHOOL
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
burke center
()
Date: December 07, 2012 01:02PM
old student Wrote:
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> http://www.fcps.edu/CliftonES/
Sorry kid. The selfish Clifton fucks lost the battle.
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> http://www.fcps.edu/CliftonES/
Sorry kid. The selfish Clifton fucks lost the battle.
exactly what has anybody in Clifton done to you to make them "selfish"?
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: December 07, 2012 02:41PM
burke center Wrote:
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>
> Sorry kid. The selfish Clifton fucks lost the
> battle.
let me guess - someones all butthurt they dont own a 5-series, right?
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>
> Sorry kid. The selfish Clifton fucks lost the
> battle.
let me guess - someones all butthurt they dont own a 5-series, right?
Re: exactly what has anybody in Clifton done to you to make them "selfish"?
Posted by:
Kimchi Pete
()
Date: December 07, 2012 10:15PM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> burke center Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Sorry kid. The selfish Clifton fucks lost the
> > battle.
>
>
> let me guess - someones all butthurt they dont own
> a 5-series, right?
Criftang is really Centahvill with more tree, Rexus is more betta or a Mersaydez Es yu vee. Me rike to drive them betta when drive like drunk Alzheimer patient down Ree Hi way.
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> burke center Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Sorry kid. The selfish Clifton fucks lost the
> > battle.
>
>
> let me guess - someones all butthurt they dont own
> a 5-series, right?
Criftang is really Centahvill with more tree, Rexus is more betta or a Mersaydez Es yu vee. Me rike to drive them betta when drive like drunk Alzheimer patient down Ree Hi way.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
aids
()
Date: December 26, 2012 12:03AM
Robert Wrote:
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> I WANT TO SUE FCPS. THEY ARE CLOSING CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IT ONE OF THE BEST SCHOOL IN
> FCPS. I HATE JACK DALE. THE ONLY REASON CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS SUCH A GOOD SCHOOL IS BECAUSE
> WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BLAKCS OR ILLEGALS IN OUR
> SCHOOL. IF WE REMOVED THEM EVER SCHOOL WOULD BE
> LIKE CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Wow, way to show exactly what the vast majority of the population of Clifton is like. A bunch of stuck up shitheads.
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> I WANT TO SUE FCPS. THEY ARE CLOSING CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IT ONE OF THE BEST SCHOOL IN
> FCPS. I HATE JACK DALE. THE ONLY REASON CLIFTON
> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS SUCH A GOOD SCHOOL IS BECAUSE
> WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BLAKCS OR ILLEGALS IN OUR
> SCHOOL. IF WE REMOVED THEM EVER SCHOOL WOULD BE
> LIKE CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Wow, way to show exactly what the vast majority of the population of Clifton is like. A bunch of stuck up shitheads.
awwwwwwwwwwwwwww..........didums someone get there widdle feewers all hurtsie wortsies?
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: December 26, 2012 08:36AM
@aids - let me guess. Some cliftonite turned you down for prom?
or maybe you didnt get picked first on the Clifton Kickball team?
I bet I know the reason why you are hating on Clifton!!
pic unrelated
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or maybe you didnt get picked first on the Clifton Kickball team?
I bet I know the reason why you are hating on Clifton!!
pic unrelated
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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Goast Hunter
()
Date: December 26, 2012 09:19PM
Where was the chiller? I drove by it last week (because of the post about the ghost roaming the halls) and not only did the building still have power, but it looked like there were mostly DX units on the roof and not a central chilled water system?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
in the news
()
Date: January 28, 2013 12:21PM
I recently heard on a news program that FFX County was in dire need of new elementary schools especially in the South Western portion of the county. Plans are to build three in the near future. Too bad there isn't one already built, in good solid shape, sitting vacant somewhere in the area. This would save the county tens of millions of dollars in construction cost. Too bad!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Rocky Balboa
()
Date: January 30, 2013 08:12PM
Still punching? Towel has been thrown!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
county maintenance
()
Date: January 31, 2013 05:01PM
Goast Hunter Wrote:
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> Where was the chiller? I drove by it last week
> (because of the post about the ghost roaming the
> halls) and not only did the building still have
> power, but it looked like there were mostly DX
> units on the roof and not a central chilled water
> system?
Admin area and the gym-multipurpouse area had dx with chilled water coils as well. This would allow those to areas to have A-C in the summer when school was out and the chiller was shut down. This is quite common in school buildings because the majority of the school is unused in the summer. They had an old Trane 100 ton recip that was still using R-12! It and the cooling tower have been removed. We recovered 215 pounds of R-12 out of it. There are a few worn out split dx systems that were put in for spot cooling here and there also.
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> Where was the chiller? I drove by it last week
> (because of the post about the ghost roaming the
> halls) and not only did the building still have
> power, but it looked like there were mostly DX
> units on the roof and not a central chilled water
> system?
Admin area and the gym-multipurpouse area had dx with chilled water coils as well. This would allow those to areas to have A-C in the summer when school was out and the chiller was shut down. This is quite common in school buildings because the majority of the school is unused in the summer. They had an old Trane 100 ton recip that was still using R-12! It and the cooling tower have been removed. We recovered 215 pounds of R-12 out of it. There are a few worn out split dx systems that were put in for spot cooling here and there also.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
in the news
()
Date: February 02, 2013 11:00AM
Rocky Balboa Wrote:
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> Still punching? Towel has been thrown!
Good analogy and thanks for the support!
I love the Rocky series and the overall theme. Fools would say; "Give up!", "You can't win!", "You have no chance!", "Throw in the towel!". Just when things are looking the most ominous Rocky Balboa, through pure perserverance, surges ahead and becomes victorious. A similar fate beholds Clifton School.
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> Still punching? Towel has been thrown!
Good analogy and thanks for the support!
I love the Rocky series and the overall theme. Fools would say; "Give up!", "You can't win!", "You have no chance!", "Throw in the towel!". Just when things are looking the most ominous Rocky Balboa, through pure perserverance, surges ahead and becomes victorious. A similar fate beholds Clifton School.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
cliftonite
()
Date: February 02, 2013 11:43AM
in the news Wrote:
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> Rocky Balboa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Still punching? Towel has been thrown!
>
> Good analogy and thanks for the support!
> I love the Rocky series and the overall theme.
> Fools would say; "Give up!", "You can't win!",
> "You have no chance!", "Throw in the towel!".
> Just when things are looking the most ominous
> Rocky Balboa, through pure perserverance, surges
> ahead and becomes victorious. A similar fate
> beholds Clifton School.
Maybe as a charter or private school of some kind someday. Right now the county cant even tear it down unless they pay for the asbestos removal but they have gutted the plumbing and removed some of the heat&air stuff. No way in hell the county will ever open it as a school again.
The county kept the school open too long and put too little money into it to keep it safe. I pray none of those kids get lung cancer 20 years from now.
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> Rocky Balboa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Still punching? Towel has been thrown!
>
> Good analogy and thanks for the support!
> I love the Rocky series and the overall theme.
> Fools would say; "Give up!", "You can't win!",
> "You have no chance!", "Throw in the towel!".
> Just when things are looking the most ominous
> Rocky Balboa, through pure perserverance, surges
> ahead and becomes victorious. A similar fate
> beholds Clifton School.
Maybe as a charter or private school of some kind someday. Right now the county cant even tear it down unless they pay for the asbestos removal but they have gutted the plumbing and removed some of the heat&air stuff. No way in hell the county will ever open it as a school again.
The county kept the school open too long and put too little money into it to keep it safe. I pray none of those kids get lung cancer 20 years from now.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: February 02, 2013 07:13PM
@cliftonite - that's pretty much what I hear from the school building workers about the whole thing - that it wasnt anything personal about Clifton, it was just that the building was old and not up to the standards other schools are in........and that fixing it up to standard would cost too much and tearing it down costs too much too LoLz
interesting how the same lady we all were vilifying just a few months ago may actually be responsible of INCREASING the lifespans of the children of the VERY SAME PPL who still hate her to this day......................
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interesting how the same lady we all were vilifying just a few months ago may actually be responsible of INCREASING the lifespans of the children of the VERY SAME PPL who still hate her to this day......................
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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
idiots
()
Date: February 03, 2013 12:29AM
Asbestos poses no threat unless it is disturbed. Only idiots and asbestos removal companies will tell you different.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Young Curmudgeon
()
Date: February 03, 2013 12:45AM
idiots Wrote:
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> Asbestos poses no threat unless it is disturbed.
> Only idiots and asbestos removal companies will
> tell you different.
I agree, but it gets disturbed more often than it should...
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> Asbestos poses no threat unless it is disturbed.
> Only idiots and asbestos removal companies will
> tell you different.
I agree, but it gets disturbed more often than it should...
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
cliftonite
()
Date: February 03, 2013 07:11AM
idiots Wrote:
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> Asbestos poses no threat unless it is disturbed.
> Only idiots and asbestos removal companies will
> tell you different.
That was the problem. The asbestos was becoming more friable each year. The cost of the removal of the asbestos was going to be four times the cost of the much needed boiler replacement. The floor tile throughout the school is packed with asbestos as well and is starting to become friable. Other schools of this vintage received tile and hvac replacement years ago but the FCPS did not do the work to the Clifton property because they had intended to close it years before they finally did.
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> Asbestos poses no threat unless it is disturbed.
> Only idiots and asbestos removal companies will
> tell you different.
That was the problem. The asbestos was becoming more friable each year. The cost of the removal of the asbestos was going to be four times the cost of the much needed boiler replacement. The floor tile throughout the school is packed with asbestos as well and is starting to become friable. Other schools of this vintage received tile and hvac replacement years ago but the FCPS did not do the work to the Clifton property because they had intended to close it years before they finally did.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: February 03, 2013 12:16PM
@idiots - what they said LoLz....................and also, seriously - do you have kids? I'm guessing you dont. Cause if you did, you'd admit to the fact that you'd damn sure not be wanting you children to spend 8 hrs a day inside a room of undisturbed asbestos for 6 years LoLz
not a sermon, just a thought
not a sermon, just a thought
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Goast Hunter
()
Date: February 03, 2013 12:46PM
Roger that. Makes sense, but are there still administrative staff there, and has a portion of the building been declared uninhabitable?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
ce parent
()
Date: February 03, 2013 06:27PM
CLifton people hate Bradsher becuase she was our elected school board memeber who lied on may occasions about the whole situation. Read the FOIAs, she mocked the parents thru the whole process.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
not ce parent
()
Date: February 04, 2013 06:14PM
What is mocking?
Didn't get your way so guess you need someone to blame?
Good for her for standing up to you and others.
Last I heard Clifton did not make up the entire Springfield district. Suggest you get a life and move on, also look into some self help courses along with typing and spelling 101.
Didn't get your way so guess you need someone to blame?
Good for her for standing up to you and others.
Last I heard Clifton did not make up the entire Springfield district. Suggest you get a life and move on, also look into some self help courses along with typing and spelling 101.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Former CE Parent
()
Date: February 04, 2013 09:06PM
Everyone that lives here has moved on as the closing of the school is never talked about. We don't even talk about Liz B. anymore. She was simply a bad dream in our lives.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
not ce parent
()
Date: February 04, 2013 09:23PM
Glad you moved on, she was no dream, just a shot of reality--call her your Wake-up call to reality. Did you know Clifton is in Fx County? Time to learn you are no different than the rest of us county residents.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Former CE Parent
()
Date: February 04, 2013 09:43PM
Why do you hate this part of Fairfax County so much? Let it go, Liz, as it's over. The school is gone now and that's okay. Your brief time as an elected official is over and that's okay as well.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Bond... James Bond
()
Date: February 05, 2013 11:03AM
Rocky Balboa Wrote:
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> Still punching? Towel has been thrown!
I prefer the old 007 movies especially Never Say Never, again.
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> Still punching? Towel has been thrown!
I prefer the old 007 movies especially Never Say Never, again.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
not ce parent
()
Date: February 05, 2013 05:14PM
I hope Liz reads this and realizes what a sad sack of people you Clifton parents still are---can't help but wonder how your kids will end up. Perhaps healthier than you ever expected according to Gordon BLVD.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Former CE Parent
()
Date: February 05, 2013 05:50PM
Why do you hate so much?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
not ce parent
()
Date: February 05, 2013 05:58PM
Look at yourself in the mirror before making such a comment.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Former CE Parent
()
Date: February 05, 2013 08:36PM
Okay, I am looking in the mirror right now and..... no, I do not see a hater. Although I believe you have an irrational dislike of people who live in this zip code, I do not hate you. I just think you've had a bad experience somewhere down the line. Even though I believe Liz was wrong in what she did, I do not hate her. I really hope she has a good life. I do, though, hate when a fly gets on the TV screen and flits around!! But I did not see any hate after looking in the mirror
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
YYwwp
()
Date: February 05, 2013 08:43PM
why the fuck are you people masturbating about something you have no control over?
get the fuck over it!
get the fuck over it!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: February 06, 2013 01:35AM
@YY-um, yr the only one with a sticky keyboard
@Former - the "hate" is only in CE's head - LoLz
@Former - the "hate" is only in CE's head - LoLz
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
clifton dad 88
()
Date: November 10, 2013 03:23PM
Does anyone know what is happening to that old school building? Now that the leaves are down I see a small crane up there. There is a locked cable across the road with "no trespassing" sign. I bet they are knocking it down.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
rip
()
Date: November 10, 2013 07:42PM
I think sooner or later you will see houses being built up on that hill. Some politically connected schnook wanted that land and that's why the school was closed. They'll "sell" it to their "supporter" for a song.
They just have to let enough time pass so that the ruckus dies down.
They just have to let enough time pass so that the ruckus dies down.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
investor
()
Date: November 10, 2013 07:54PM
I get pissed every time I think of the Clifton/Fairfax Station area. In the late 50s and 60s, I could have bought hundreds of acres down there for next to nothing. It was Tobacco Road back then, home to hillbillies and Negros. I just never imagined it would evolve into what it is today.
I made a killing in Arlington and Great Falls, but totally missed the boat in Clifton.
I made a killing in Arlington and Great Falls, but totally missed the boat in Clifton.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Conflicting reports
()
Date: November 10, 2013 09:16PM
Clifton ES is still being used by sports teams and the school is open so the kids can use the school bathrooms.
I am confused. Is the school falling down and drenched in chemicals or is it safe and still under use?
I want Dr Garza to look into FCPS fraud with the closing of this school site.
I am confused. Is the school falling down and drenched in chemicals or is it safe and still under use?
I want Dr Garza to look into FCPS fraud with the closing of this school site.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
In the know!
()
Date: November 11, 2013 02:50PM
Conflicting reports Wrote:
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> Clifton ES is still being used by sports teams and
> the school is open so the kids can use the school
> bathrooms.
The former CES is being put up for sale to close the FCPS budget shortfall.
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> Clifton ES is still being used by sports teams and
> the school is open so the kids can use the school
> bathrooms.
The former CES is being put up for sale to close the FCPS budget shortfall.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Clifton Redneck
()
Date: November 11, 2013 03:35PM
Conflicting reports Wrote:
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> Clifton ES is still being used by sports teams and
> the school is open so the kids can use the school
> bathrooms.
>
> I am confused. Is the school falling down and
> drenched in chemicals or is it safe and still
> under use?
>
>
> I want Dr Garza to look into FCPS fraud with the
> closing of this school site.
Plus one
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> Clifton ES is still being used by sports teams and
> the school is open so the kids can use the school
> bathrooms.
>
> I am confused. Is the school falling down and
> drenched in chemicals or is it safe and still
> under use?
>
>
> I want Dr Garza to look into FCPS fraud with the
> closing of this school site.
Plus one
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
wait for it
()
Date: November 12, 2013 10:17AM
Have you written to Dr. Garza to tell her you want an investigation or are you just spinning your wheels on the FFU?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
hammerhead10
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Date: November 12, 2013 02:12PM
Wow, let it go, Liz. Time to move on.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Liz B
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Date: November 12, 2013 04:23PM
Sorry Hammerhead10 not me...I have let it all go a long time ago. Remember the vote was 9-2.
Perhaps you are referring to Eliz. Schultz...write her an email but don't count on a response.
Perhaps you are referring to Eliz. Schultz...write her an email but don't count on a response.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
I heard that
()
Date: November 12, 2013 07:28PM
FCPS will now need a whole school system audit after the latest school scandal at Poe.
Jack Dale was a failure and now we are wasting more tax payer money on his and his choice of SB mistakes.
PS I heard he had a little heart problem. Karma perhaps? Is Liz up next? Only time will tell.
Jack Dale was a failure and now we are wasting more tax payer money on his and his choice of SB mistakes.
PS I heard he had a little heart problem. Karma perhaps? Is Liz up next? Only time will tell.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
town resident
()
Date: January 11, 2014 06:25AM
So I see that the county let the pipes burst in the old school building this week and the water ran for so long that it froze the driveway all the way to clifton road. The fire and police vehicles could not even get up there to shut the water off, they had to hike through the woods. I think the county wants this old school building to rot away.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Whhhhaaaat?
()
Date: January 11, 2014 10:35AM
Homeownership 101---drain the pipes when you shut off the heat when leaving the house for a long extended period of time---duh. This doesn't require a maintenance degree to figure out.
Why don't they just take a wrecking ball to the place? Why is it still there? For what purpose? It's supposed to be so dangerous.
Why don't they just take a wrecking ball to the place? Why is it still there? For what purpose? It's supposed to be so dangerous.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Closing it = Ulterior motive
()
Date: January 11, 2014 11:00AM
With the Budget shortfall why not just R&R, renovate and reopen, the school. It is still in good solid shape. A majority of the school was built in the 1980's after all. Not having to build another school will save the county tax payers tens of millions.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
What ever you say
()
Date: January 11, 2014 12:01PM
investor Wrote:
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> I get pissed every time I think of the
> Clifton/Fairfax Station area. In the late 50s and
> 60s, I could have bought hundreds of acres down
> there for next to nothing. It was Tobacco Road
> back then, home to hillbillies and Negros. I just
> never imagined it would evolve into what it is
> today.
>
> I made a killing in Arlington and Great Falls, but
> totally missed the boat in Clifton.
Yeah right! The 1950's ended almost 55 years ago. Assuming that you were a young investor at the time (30 to 35 years old) that would make you close to 90 (+-) years old. Many 90-year-olds post on this site? I think not.
FYI Mr.Investor...
The time period that you are talking about Clifton's agricultural lifestyle was unfortunately coming to a rapid end.
In the 1950's tracks of land and local farms were being gobbled up by land speculators and were subdivided. (These were the smart investors that actually knew what was going on and had a good pulse on the future. Good thing you made your "killing" elsewhere.)
By the early sixties subdivisions sprung up around Clifton that catered to those in the upper middle class. These included doctors, lawyers, and other professionals. Rugged types that wanted land, and often horses, and were NOT "afraid to get their hands dirty". Their weekends included almost endless toil in an effort to tame and maintain their acreage.
These days most of the newer houses built strictly cater more to the upper class professionals, that ARE "afraid to get there hands dirty". Very, if not most, often workers are brought in to do the dirty work around the newer type McMansion yards.
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> I get pissed every time I think of the
> Clifton/Fairfax Station area. In the late 50s and
> 60s, I could have bought hundreds of acres down
> there for next to nothing. It was Tobacco Road
> back then, home to hillbillies and Negros. I just
> never imagined it would evolve into what it is
> today.
>
> I made a killing in Arlington and Great Falls, but
> totally missed the boat in Clifton.
Yeah right! The 1950's ended almost 55 years ago. Assuming that you were a young investor at the time (30 to 35 years old) that would make you close to 90 (+-) years old. Many 90-year-olds post on this site? I think not.
FYI Mr.Investor...
The time period that you are talking about Clifton's agricultural lifestyle was unfortunately coming to a rapid end.
In the 1950's tracks of land and local farms were being gobbled up by land speculators and were subdivided. (These were the smart investors that actually knew what was going on and had a good pulse on the future. Good thing you made your "killing" elsewhere.)
By the early sixties subdivisions sprung up around Clifton that catered to those in the upper middle class. These included doctors, lawyers, and other professionals. Rugged types that wanted land, and often horses, and were NOT "afraid to get their hands dirty". Their weekends included almost endless toil in an effort to tame and maintain their acreage.
These days most of the newer houses built strictly cater more to the upper class professionals, that ARE "afraid to get there hands dirty". Very, if not most, often workers are brought in to do the dirty work around the newer type McMansion yards.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
lcps
()
Date: April 26, 2014 12:19AM
LCPS school board metting was talking about this. a couple of parents said they moved from Clifton to just attend a small school
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Maryxx
()
Date: May 06, 2014 09:18AM
Best school ever Class of 2009
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
pUteH
()
Date: May 06, 2014 12:33PM
Section 8?, Fantastic!!!!!!!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
town resident
()
Date: August 02, 2014 09:38AM
I walked my dog up to the school yesterday and was surprised to see a couple of Capitol boiler works trucks there as well as two county school maintenance vans and one county government pick-up. We walked around for an hour in hopes of getting some information about what is going on but no one came out of the building.
I wonder if they are replacing a boiler or ripping one out?
I wonder if they are replacing a boiler or ripping one out?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
interesting question
()
Date: August 02, 2014 09:50AM
Maybe they are going to house immigrant children there?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
yes good question
()
Date: August 02, 2014 10:28AM
You mean it's safe if we can get some federal dollars?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
maint man
()
Date: August 02, 2014 11:42AM
Boiler pipes froze last winter when the one working boiler cut out during extreme cold weather. Now there are pipe repairs in progress and yes they are going to re-fire that boiler that was installed in 1976. I dont understand why we dont raze the whole place. The asbestos removal has to be done before the building can be razed but what the hell, it's got to be done eventually.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
dell ave
()
Date: October 23, 2014 05:14AM
What is up with all the fire trucks at the school? Fire training maybe?
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Ces res
()
Date: October 23, 2014 09:28PM
Give us our school back!
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
cindy w
()
Date: December 11, 2014 06:40PM
What happen to them re opening this school? Its a same my child starts kindergraden next year and he won't be able to attend the school I went to and my mom went to. is sad we live a couple blocks away, we lived there since the 70s. My granpda bought the house saying he wanted us to go to that school
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
NippleChuck
()
Date: December 11, 2014 07:29PM
You guys can have your school back when FCPS can hook it up to municipal water and sewer. Until then enjoy drinking your fecal laden water supply. Fucking hillbillies.
Nip
Nip
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
school worker
()
Date: December 11, 2014 08:26PM
cindy w Wrote:
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> What happen to them re opening this school? Its a
> same my child starts kindergraden next year and he
> won't be able to attend the school I went to and
> my mom went to. is sad we live a couple blocks
> away, we lived there since the 70s. My granpda
> bought the house saying he wanted us to go to that
> school
Sorry cindy, the school is in bad shape. It has well water and a location that is very suspect-able to terrorist attack.
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> What happen to them re opening this school? Its a
> same my child starts kindergraden next year and he
> won't be able to attend the school I went to and
> my mom went to. is sad we live a couple blocks
> away, we lived there since the 70s. My granpda
> bought the house saying he wanted us to go to that
> school
Sorry cindy, the school is in bad shape. It has well water and a location that is very suspect-able to terrorist attack.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
random
()
Date: July 14, 2015 04:06PM
All yall arguing over this shit.. I just wanna know if you can go in there and fuck around haha.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
vvv
()
Date: October 29, 2016 12:28AM
re open this school
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
i misss u
()
Date: November 18, 2016 11:45PM
i miss this schoool. class of 2007
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Clifton Student
()
Date: July 06, 2018 12:38PM
As a student who attended Clifton at the time of its closing, I did struggle with it quite some time. In the few years I had been there, I had made many wonderful friendships, just to be torn away from them when I was sent to another school. My brother was in sixth grade when it closed and I did not understand why he was so distraught about the closing, he wasn’t the one who would be sent to a new school with less than 50 other Clifton students moving with him. He would be onto Robinson the next year with all of his friends, why would he be upset? When you graduate from Robinson, you have the opportunity to walk through the halls of your elementary school in your cap and gown, something that most of us would not be able to do. I still do not consider the elementary school I was sent to after Clifton to have been my elementary school, I would not want to walk through those halls. I will never forget how on my first day of school at my new school how my bus turned around in the Clifton parking lot, the school where I should have been getting off to walk through the welcoming doors to see all of my friends, instead we simply pulled a u-turn and drove off to the new school. I’ve come to peace with the fact that my school has closed, although I would never wish for this to happen to anyone else. Even though I may not fully understand the answer that the county gave us regarding why our school had been shut down, I will respectt their answer and know that it is what they believed was best for us. I’ll always remember the feeling of family within Clifton and how the whole town rallied around the school during the time of it’s closing. After the school board meeting that determined our fate, I did not understand why my teacher had been crying. I looked to my father and said “Why is she crying? Didn’t we win?”. When he responded and told me I wouldn’t be going back to Clifton the next year, it was an emotional that I’ll never forget, a feeling that all of us understood and will stick with us forever. In life, you don’t always get what you want, and even though sometimes it feels like the end of the world, the sun will still shine in the morning and you will find a way to cope with it. Although the closing of an elementary school doesn’t feel like a huge thing, to those who were involved, it was everything.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
County Sewer & Water
()
Date: July 06, 2018 04:45PM
Will get Clifton School reopened.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
Former student
()
Date: February 28, 2020 04:25PM
I drove by there today-- I started crying.
Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by:
dog crap school
()
Date: March 01, 2020 08:33AM
The roof on the old school is leaking bad in the back. The grounds of the school are now used as a bathroom for FCPD K-9 officers.
Closing the school was the right thing to do but the county should do something with that land, maybe sell it if they don't need it.
Closing the school was the right thing to do but the county should do something with that land, maybe sell it if they don't need it.