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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Justataxpayer ()
Date: January 13, 2012 12:21PM

howsad Wrote:
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> Justataxpayer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If I CHOOSE to move, then by all means my child
> > will need to adapt and I expect to have to deal
> > with the related challenges that come with it.
> > That is by choice, not by having it inflicted
> upon
> > you. I know my adjustment to a new employer is
> > much more pleasant when I choose that
> transition
> > vs being terminated as part of a layoff.
>
> What a bubble world you must live in... coming
> from a military family that had me in three
> elementary schools as a child, I can tell you 1)
> moves are often NOT voluntary and 2) I turned out
> just fine.
>
> When I look back at my life and think back on
> having to make new friends, sure it is an
> adjustment but I think I'm socially better for it.
> Plus I tripled the number of friends I had!
>
> But saying a single school change in the same
> geographic area is cruel (and proceeding to defend
> that position) is whiney and spoiled. I am
> shaking my head at using that term, hard to
> believe some are so sheltered and limited in their
> thinking.

If we were a military family we would expect to move as that comes with the territory. We aren't and therefore were not expecting it. We moved where we did because we expected stability in the schools and as no major infill development was possible believed that would continue for quite some time. Seems reasonable to me to have that expectation but apparently you are also living my life in addition to your own so you know what us best.

Where did I say it had been cruel? It was unprecedented to take students from one school and redistribute them to 3 schools.

The challenges are real and have been unpleasant to deal with since they were generally unexpected as we were not moving and we are not in a situation where we would be expecting an upcoming move. Those are all facts. Also, we found that the promise of greater educational opportunities as sold to us by our school board member we 1)unable to be articulated and 2)not true. No new educational opportunities other than learning how to eat as fast as possible so the cafeteria can support all the students that need to eat. Seriously, I am not kidding.

Call it whining it you want but for me I call it a taxpayer's right to hold accountable the stewards of our tax dollars for the statements they make and for the situations they create based on their decisions.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: orangefanta ()
Date: January 13, 2012 01:51PM

exactly.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: OyOyOy ()
Date: January 13, 2012 02:14PM

Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> howsad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Justataxpayer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > If I CHOOSE to move, then by all means my
> child
> > > will need to adapt and I expect to have to
> deal
> > > with the related challenges that come with it.
>
> > > That is by choice, not by having it inflicted
> > upon
> > > you. I know my adjustment to a new employer
> is
> > > much more pleasant when I choose that
> > transition
> > > vs being terminated as part of a layoff.
> >
> > What a bubble world you must live in... coming
> > from a military family that had me in three
> > elementary schools as a child, I can tell you
> 1)
> > moves are often NOT voluntary and 2) I turned
> out
> > just fine.
> >
> > When I look back at my life and think back on
> > having to make new friends, sure it is an
> > adjustment but I think I'm socially better for
> it.
> > Plus I tripled the number of friends I had!
> >
> > But saying a single school change in the same
> > geographic area is cruel (and proceeding to
> defend
> > that position) is whiney and spoiled. I am
> > shaking my head at using that term, hard to
> > believe some are so sheltered and limited in
> their
> > thinking.
>
> If we were a military family we would expect to
> move as that comes with the territory. We aren't
> and therefore were not expecting it. We moved
> where we did because we expected stability in the
> schools and as no major infill development was
> possible believed that would continue for quite
> some time. Seems reasonable to me to have that
> expectation but apparently you are also living my
> life in addition to your own so you know what us
> best.
>
> Where did I say it had been cruel? It was
> unprecedented to take students from one school and
> redistribute them to 3 schools.
>
> The challenges are real and have been unpleasant
> to deal with since they were generally unexpected
> as we were not moving and we are not in a
> situation where we would be expecting an upcoming
> move. Those are all facts. Also, we found that
> the promise of greater educational opportunities
> as sold to us by our school board member we
> 1)unable to be articulated and 2)not true. No new
> educational opportunities other than learning how
> to eat as fast as possible so the cafeteria can
> support all the students that need to eat.
> Seriously, I am not kidding.
>
> Call it whining it you want but for me I call it a
> taxpayer's right to hold accountable the stewards
> of our tax dollars for the statements they make
> and for the situations they create based on their
> decisions.


I think you should keep complaining, forever and ever. Make it your personal crusade. Ten or twelve years from now, make sure you bring it up all the time. Never forgive; never forget.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: complaining ()
Date: January 13, 2012 04:17PM

If you don't don't like the complaints you can always choose not to read the posts. I find the debate interesting. It shows the SB true colors.

I am looking forward to the Virginia Supreme court regarding the emails sent by the SB too.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: robertstephens ()
Date: January 13, 2012 04:24PM

I agree with "complaining", it is not only interesting but life altering for our children and if it bores you move onto the next truckers who like porn thread.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: former teacher ()
Date: January 13, 2012 04:42PM

I don't think anyone believes that kids cannot adjust to a move. The question is: should they have to for no good reason? Clifton should not have been closed. There was no good reason. Other schools are now overcrowded that were not overcrowded before--for no good reason. Go figure.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Clifton Mom ()
Date: January 13, 2012 04:52PM

completely incorrect Wrote:
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> No former Clifton student is on a bus anywhere
> near 1 hour. That is complete bullshit. 35-40
> minutes max.
>
> The only bus runs that can be 1 hour (or more) are
> GT, magnet or TJHSST. But of course those are
> voluntary.

Wrong, my child (at Fairview) is on the bus until 4:40 and that's not the last stop. Sit with us at the bus stop and then you can get your facts straight.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Clifton mom ()
Date: January 13, 2012 04:56PM

Those of you who see this as mindless complaining should realize that your community ES could be next. For example, Garfield ES was opened in 1952 (older than CES) and had LESS students than CES. The SB could easily shut down Garfield and divide the students between Forestdale, Crestwood and Lynbrook.

Never say never.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: herewegoagain ()
Date: January 13, 2012 05:35PM

Garfield has been renovated twice in the last 25-30 years. The difference is that Garfield is a Title 1 school and therefore receives additional funding.

Garfield also has one of the highest per student renovation cost in the county at nearly $60,000 per student. CES on the other hand had one of the lowest per student cost to renovate at nearly $36,000 per student.

The spin by FCPS is blatant if you take the time to do some research. It's all there in black in white, straight from FCPS documents. We couldn't make this stuff up if we tried.

FCPS needs to get over this whole "gold standard" for renovations. Take a look at T.C. Williams in Alexandria. That school just received a state of the art renovation and still has one of the worst academic records in the country. I'm not saying this to bash T.C. Williams, it's not about that, but it proves that no matter how fancy the building is, you can't force these kids to excel. It is the teachers, students and engaged parents that push kids to excel. CES didn't need the "gold standard" renovation that FCPS claimed was essential to the success of the school. A very minor renovation at a fraction of the cost would have been more than sufficient to see CES through years of educating kids.

Oh, and to the person who keeps claiming the pump and haul was an enormous cost to the county if the school stayed open - you really need to get your facts straight! The pump and haul is for the entire Town of Clifton and the school is hooked up to it. It is still operating on a daily basis even without CES. CES has absolutely nothing to do with the expenses related to the Town pump and haul. That's just ignorant.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: wshs 81 ()
Date: January 13, 2012 05:44PM

Get real Clifton Mom and others

All of you forget too easily and conveniently the reasons for the closure, how easy it is for you to claim there were "no reasons". This has been stated time and time again and the report and community meetings on this issue lasted well over 8 months, see the website.

The report, the issues, were all identified. Stop the comparisons with other schools that are in high density areas and dense population. You can not compare them to CES due to differing factors such a building location, school population and need. Too easy to make this a "fault" of someones when the reality was and is that something had to be done and costs had to be examined. Your emotion is admirable but there comes a time for pragmatic analysis.

BTW last I noted Garfield was in the middle of a populated area as is Lynnbrook and student pop. is increasing not decreasing as was NOT the case with Clifton.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Clifton mom ()
Date: January 13, 2012 05:46PM

Oh, that's right, Garfield is Title 1. FCPS won't close a school for which it can milk the Fed for money.

Maybe that's FCPS' ultimate goal - redistrict enough to make many more Title 1 schools.

That would mean that schools like Lemon Road and Waynewood might have bullseyes on them.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Clifton mom ()
Date: January 13, 2012 05:51PM

I moved to Clifton recently and don't have a long background with the school.

However, seeing the school and its families and faculty in action made me question the SB's reasoning, especially now that kids have an hour bus ride, the water was just fine last May and now the 3 absorbing schools are dealing with overcrowding. FCPS has grown by 15,000 students since FY08, so why are ANY schools closing??

wshs 81 Wrote:
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> Get real Clifton Mom and others
>
> All of you forget too easily and conveniently the
> reasons for the closure, how easy it is for you to
> claim there were "no reasons". This has been
> stated time and time again and the report and
> community meetings on this issue lasted well over
> 8 months, see the website.
>
> The report, the issues, were all identified. Stop
> the comparisons with other schools that are in
> high density areas and dense population. You can
> not compare them to CES due to differing factors
> such a building location, school population and
> need. Too easy to make this a "fault" of someones
> when the reality was and is that something had to
> be done and costs had to be examined. Your
> emotion is admirable but there comes a time for
> pragmatic analysis.
>
> BTW last I noted Garfield was in the middle of a
> populated area as is Lynnbrook and student pop. is
> increasing not decreasing as was NOT the case with
> Clifton.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Jaguar trail ()
Date: January 13, 2012 06:28PM

Clifton is not in the immediate area of overcrowding. Overcrowding is taking place on Rt. 1, Herndon and in the Bailey's area.

Capital funding is in short supply, suggest you read documentation and take some day trips to these areas and stop complaining about our Title 1 schools. I am a parent at one and proud of our achievements and know of our needs.

Falls Church needs money for a renovation along with other older high schools, too few dollars, too many needs. Your needs can't really compare---good for the SB in making a decision that actually helped the majority.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: herewegoagain ()
Date: January 13, 2012 06:40PM

Nobody was complaining about Title 1 schools, just stating facts. If the Title 1 schools need the additional funding, so be it.

That was the school mentioned in the above post, so that was the school I cited the facts for. But, not all of the schools with much higher per student costs are Title 1 schools.

FCPS can claim the student population at CES was declining all it wants, it's simply not true. The school was at max capacity when it closed and that was up from the previous year. It increased during the study, it didn't decline. When this whole thing started, FCPS was predicting CES to be OVER capacity in 5 years. The ONLY reason their projection went down is because when they re-did the projections, they left out 2 of the highest density areas that attended CES from zip codes 22030 and 22039. They manipulated the data to suit their purposes. It's that simple. When asked why they neglected to include those two areas in the new projections, the answer was because those students don't have a Clifton mailing address. So what? They were still in the CES boundary, Clifton mailing address or not. Had those 2 areas been included in the revised projections, they would have been MUCH different.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Jaguar trail ()
Date: January 13, 2012 07:04PM

Looked at the zip codes and saw much of 22039 goes to Sangster, Halley and Silverbrook. These feed into Lake Braddock and South County and the most populous area of 22039 looks to be in the Silverbrook area. So maybe projections were not too far off. Also I noted that the 22039 area you are referring to, is I suppose, that west of 123 where there is no growth or building. I am not sure you are thinking of that and you are trying to convince yourself otherwise. I have been working on issues with Patty Reed and Sandy Evans and they pointed that out to us about density in your area vs. other areas, etc. I have also been talking with the FPAC group.

Perhaps you should talk to them?

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: maybe? ()
Date: January 13, 2012 07:11PM

Maybe the purpose is to shift students to South County to justify Liz and her buildings.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: to Jaguar mom ()
Date: January 13, 2012 07:21PM

I think I would be mad too if my HS was shit and Gatehouse has marble floors and brass bathroom fixtures. You need to focus on that. The closing of Clifton brings you no closer to fixing Falls Church HS.

The closing of CES was done in haste.

Plus you hope they deem your school worth a redo because they may close it. Better watch what you ask for.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Jaguar trail ()
Date: January 13, 2012 07:23PM

I take that as a sarcastic remark.

I was trying to have a serious blog conversation with herewegoagain. I met that School Board member when I was inquiring about FPAC she was pretty nice. Don't think she would do that.

Falls Church needs a renovation and we were told by Dean Tistadt that there is a backlog of needs. I guess hard decisions had to be made. When did the Board vote on your school? I thought it was several years ago.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Jaguar trail ()
Date: January 13, 2012 07:26PM

I went to Gatehouse it is a nice building but no brass fixtures. I don't think they will close Falls Church we are pretty central and our space is needed for students, programs and community education.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Justataxpayer ()
Date: January 13, 2012 07:55PM

Jaguar trail Wrote:
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> I went to Gatehouse it is a nice building but no
> brass fixtures. I don't think they will close
> Falls Church we are pretty central and our space
> is needed for students, programs and community
> education.

Gatehouse is a tremendous facility for any and all support staff. It was created at a time when Fairfax was living "high on the hog" due to massive growth in tax revenues. If some forward thinking and budget restraint had been exercised then, perhaps we would not be so far behind in the renovation queue work and student learning environments would take priority over the top brass.

At any rate I would completely agree that Falls Church needs in on the renovation timelines. A revisiting of the sacred queue may be possible with an upcoming analysis in 2013 of current school facility status across the county. Again, if someone had been planning correctly and setting aside funds for what were known capital needs in the future we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now.

And yes, welcome to the conversation. I wish you the best in your attempts to get things moving for your community. By the looks of the registered speakers at the CIP public hearing you had a good showing of support from your community.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Justataxpayer ()
Date: January 13, 2012 08:02PM

Jaguar trail Wrote:
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> Looked at the zip codes and saw much of 22039 goes
> to Sangster, Halley and Silverbrook. These feed
> into Lake Braddock and South County and the most
> populous area of 22039 looks to be in the
> Silverbrook area. So maybe projections were not
> too far off. Also I noted that the 22039 area you
> are referring to, is I suppose, that west of 123
> where there is no growth or building. I am not
> sure you are thinking of that and you are trying
> to convince yourself otherwise. I have been
> working on issues with Patty Reed and Sandy Evans
> and they pointed that out to us about density in
> your area vs. other areas, etc. I have also been
> talking with the FPAC group.
>
> Perhaps you should talk to them?

22030 which was not included in the analysis actually is the most densely populated of all of the zip codes that had students attending Clifton Elementary outside of the Town of Clifton itself.

I appreciate your insights into the FPAC discussions and your own engagement with them. Wish that group had existed when the Clifton topic was on the table back in 2009-2010. Have you found them to be approachable? Unfortunately due to work schedules and business travel I was not able to attend the listening tour or sit in on any of their retreat discussions. Just curious as to the focus there at this point and if anything of substance outside of what I have found on FCPS.edu has been covered by that team of volunteers.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Working for the good of all ()
Date: January 13, 2012 08:23PM

Gatehouse is a disaster. How dare they build Gatehouse when so many of our schools are falling apart.

As FC parents we should UNITE to bring about change. The closing of CES should be a warning to all of us.

I believe in our new SB. I will support moving up Falls Church HS in renovations. Gatehouse should be ashamed.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: completely incorrect ()
Date: January 13, 2012 08:39PM

Clifton Mom Wrote:
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> completely incorrect Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No former Clifton student is on a bus anywhere
> > near 1 hour. That is complete bullshit. 35-40
> > minutes max.
> >
> > The only bus runs that can be 1 hour (or more)
> are
> > GT, magnet or TJHSST. But of course those are
> > voluntary.
>
> Wrong, my child (at Fairview) is on the bus until
> 4:40 and that's not the last stop. Sit with us at
> the bus stop and then you can get your facts
> straight.

You're the one that seems to have your facts mixed up. Fairview doesn't even release until 3:45 p.m. It takes at least 10-15 minutes to load all those buses. The buses don't roll out of Fairview until 4:00 p.m. or very close to it on a good day.

On a bad day, you have parents that suddenly decide they want to pick up their kids AFTER the kids have boarded their bus. Finding and getting their kids off the bus delays all the buses behind it in line.

People exagerrate when they are pissed off. NO Fairview kid is on a bus for an hour under normal circumstances. Backups caused by car crashes, trees down across the road, or the flooding in September are the examples of abnormal circumstances.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Confused by completely incorrect ()
Date: January 13, 2012 08:45PM

You are correct that the busses do not leave till 4:05.

The parents getting their kids off the bus after school is incorrect.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: D.O.G.S. ()
Date: January 13, 2012 09:46PM

Confused by completely incorrect Wrote:
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> The parents getting their kids off the bus after
> school is incorrect.

It happens regularly. I'm a watchdog and have seen it with my own eyes.

Office staff will board a bus and yell, "Johnny, your mom is at Kiss & Ride".

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: herewegoagain ()
Date: January 13, 2012 10:09PM

Jaguar trail Wrote:
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> I take that as a sarcastic remark.
>
> I was trying to have a serious blog conversation
> with herewegoagain. I met that School Board member
> when I was inquiring about FPAC she was pretty
> nice. Don't think she would do that.
>
> Falls Church needs a renovation and we were told
> by Dean Tistadt that there is a backlog of needs.
> I guess hard decisions had to be made. When did
> the Board vote on your school? I thought it was
> several years ago.


You're in good hands with Patty Reed and Sandy Evans. I believe that both will work hard for you. The new School Board needs to re-evaluate the way schools are placed on the queue, period.

The vote to close CES was on July 8, 2010 and closed June 2011. I won't repeat the entire history of it here as it's already on this board on another thread, but it's all there, in black and white, most of it from Bradsher's own emails. There is one particular email where Bradsher tells another board member "if one were to go by the committee report, Clifton would stay open". The committee report was from the Southwestern Regional Planning Committee. She was very distressed over this because it did not support her "behind the scenes" scheming to close the school. That was when the future enrollment projection was revised to show a declining population. It was a master production of manipulation.

You are correct that most of 22039 does attend Sangster and Silverbrook and feed into South County. However, there were 27 students from 22039 excluded from the revised future projections and 97 students excluded from 22030. That's 127 students left out. THAT is how the declining population came about and CES went from 397 students to less than 300 students, literally overnight. One day we were expected to be overcrowded by 22 students in 5 years, the next we were expected to be grossly under populated by over 100 students in 5 years - a change that happened literally overnight. If the projections had been done using the entire CES boundary, it would have still shown CES as overcrowded in 5 years. I have the actual FCPS documents that prove all of this.

Bus times are longer for the vast majority of Clifton kids now. Some are shorter, but there are very few with shorter bus rides. My kids are actually on the bus for about 40 minutes, but they arrive at school at least 20 minutes early every day because Fairview doesn't have enough room to fit all the buses in the lot at the same time. Therefore, the Clifton buses arrive first every morning and the rest of the arrival times are staggered to allow the buses from Clifton to clear out before the buses from Burke arrive. So no, my kids are not on the bus for an hour, but they certainly do leave the house an hour before school starts. They used to leave 30 minutes before school started and they still had 5-10 minutes to spare once they arrived. It may not be an hour bus ride, but it's still an hour from the time they leave until they arrive in their classroom.

Gatehouse may not have brass fixtures, but how much do you think that fancy parking garage cost? Did you notice the little red and green lights above each parking space, in a garage that is mostly empty most of the time? Was that really necessary? Since when do people need little lights above each space to tell us if a car is parked in that space? That blew my mind the first time I saw it. It's just wasteful spending. Spending that should have gone into our schools that need it.

To the person that speculated about closing CES in order to ship Clifton kids down to South County in order to fill that school - DING, DING, DING!!! You win the grand prize!!! I've said that from the very beginning. Clifton parents that now have their kids at Fairview, you better be prepared for it. A high school boundary study is coming; it's only a matter of time. South County Middle School is projected to open at 60% capacity and Robinson is projected to be overcrowded. FCPS already tried to convince us once that Sangster is closer and that's where our kids should be. What do you think is going to happen when SOCO middle school opens?

While I'm on the subject of SOCO, whomever made the claim on here the other day that South County was NEVER intended to be a secondary school, oh puh-leeze!!! It was ALWAYS supposed to be a secondary school. When you have taxpayers that are actually paying attention and actually have copies of the CIP going back 10 years, don't try to lie to us anymore. We're not buying it.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Wrong again ()
Date: January 13, 2012 10:24PM

Lies, lies and lies and lies from Herewegoagain. Comments and allegations on SOCO are so off base---YOU know very little, it is comical.

You are so wrought with contempt, aren't you tired of all this?

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: herewegoagain ()
Date: January 13, 2012 10:45PM

D.O.G.S. Wrote:
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> Confused by completely incorrect Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The parents getting their kids off the bus
> after
> > school is incorrect.
>
> It happens regularly. I'm a watchdog and have
> seen it with my own eyes.
>
> Office staff will board a bus and yell, "Johnny,
> your mom is at Kiss & Ride".



I'm not trying to defend the parents that are holding up the buses in order for their child to be pulled from the bus, but I do know why it is happening. It takes SOOOOO long to get through the kiss and ride, by the time you get to the front, most of the buses are already loaded and your child is already on the bus. Again, there is NOT ENOUGH ROOM at Fairview to handle the number of kids there. That doesn't excuse parents holding up the buses. They should call the school by a pre-determined time if they are going to pick their kids up and then that policy needs to be enforced.

If there's an emergency or the weather has caused road closures, etc., then exceptions should be considered. Under normal circumstances though, if the kid is already on the bus, they should ride the bus.

My kids like riding the bus. To them, it's social hour (figure of speech, already explained mine are on the bus for about 40 minutes). I rarely have to pick them up or use kiss and ride, but when I do, I make sure to inform the school of that by 3:00, at the latest. I don't see why other parents can't do the same.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: herewegoagain ()
Date: January 13, 2012 11:39PM

Wrong again Wrote:
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> Lies, lies and lies and lies from Herewegoagain.
> Comments and allegations on SOCO are so off
> base---YOU know very little, it is comical.
>
> You are so wrought with contempt, aren't you tired
> of all this?


Aren't you? Why are you still here? You're no longer in office. You're no longer my school board representative.

Deny being Bradsher all you want. I've read so many of your emails, I recognize your writing and lack of basic grammar skills. If you're not Liz, register your user name and post under it every time you post on here. I have and I'm not ashamed of anything that I've posted because it is all fact and I have the proof to back it up. Okay, closing Clifton to move kids to SOCO is speculation, I'll give you that one. I don't have absolute proof of that, but I can see the writing on the wall.

You, on the other hand, have yet to provide proof of your claims. You claim bad water - I have a copy of the final water report that proves otherwise. You claim higher per student costs - I have copies of CIPs and actual renovation costs that prove otherwise. I could go on, but arguing with you is simply not worth my time. I'll continue to post on here because taxpayers should know where their hard earned dollars are going and how this situation was manipulated by FCPS. Not because I'm wrought with contempt.

Consider me someone that made the mistake of not paying enough attention before, but will damn sure be paying attention from now on. You see, I trusted my elected representative to actually represent me; not just a portion of the district she was elected to - or try to claim that you were doing the best thing for the entire county. You didn't hold an at-large seat. You do know that, right? Your job was to represent the Springfield District. ALL of the Springfield District.

In fact, the 3 actual At-Large members were not in favor of closing CES, right up until the last minute. Again, I have the proof to show that. Shall I pull the emails between you, Ms. Wilson and Mr. Gibson, the night before the vote where you were expressing concern because you still didn't think you had Mr. Moon's or Dr. Rainey's votes to close CES? (There was no doubt where Ms. Hone stood on the subject, so no need to lobby her for her vote to close.) Yet, at the same time, there are emails from you to members of the Clifton community where you are assuring them that you are working on something that would postpone the vote to decide the fate of Clifton until more accurate enrollment projections could be determined. Shall I pull those to refresh your memory? It was Ms. Hone that offered to defer the vote, not you. Ms. Hone was reprensenting us as an At-Large member, doing the best thing for the entire county, not you. Had the vote been deferred for 3 years, as Ms. Hone put forth, we wouldn't be dealing with overcrowding in Fairview, Oak View and Union Mill now.

We'll see what the Supreme Court has to say on the matter, and I'll continue to do my civic duty to inform as many people as I can on what actually happened, not what FCPS's professional public relations department wants them to believe.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: wrong again ()
Date: January 14, 2012 09:36AM

Your baiting is extremely tiresome. I have been reading these entries for awhile and along with The Taxpayer and others we are demonstrating that your bitterness and revisionist history is your's and doesn't represent those of us who think otherwise.

Wherever Bradsher is I say good luck to her. I can do whatever I like on this blog similar to The Taxpayer and others. Because you are from Clifton please do not believe you can dictate what goes on this blog.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Not wrong ()
Date: January 14, 2012 10:39AM

This blog is about Clifton ES. If you don't like you can stop coming on here.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: possible reasons to close Clifton ()
Date: January 14, 2012 10:56AM

1. Help Bradsher/Tistadt defend SC Middle School by sending Fairview students there. Would have been hard to do if the kids were still at Clifton.

2. Sell Clifton site to some kind of developer???

3. Justify lots of new construction at additional schools which help Tistadt's construction empire.

4. Justify moving WS High up the queue list increading Bradsher's chances of relection.

5. Redistricting of elementary schools helping Smith to justify getting poor kids out of Poplar Tree--increasing her chances of reelection and popularity in her own neighborhood.

Feel free to add to the list.......

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Justataxpayer ()
Date: January 14, 2012 11:24AM

6. Bradsher's way of showing Herrity who is boss in Springfield district in her mind. The school board acted like ticked off teenagers that couldn't get the keys to the family car when the BOS held money from budgets, etc. They continued to push the blame to the BOS for their own inability to provide oversight to expenditures. The BOS was having none of it and I hope/pray the BOS don't entertain the 9% increase Dale is currently seeking.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: the Taxpayer ()
Date: January 14, 2012 12:05PM

1. It was the correct option based on limited capital resources, facility issues and declining enrollment.

Pretty simple.

The amazing part of the closure process was watching a predominantly Republican conservative town and Pat Herrity turn around and embrace liberal viewpoints. That's what I call NIMBY, RINO and hypocritical.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: to taxpayer ()
Date: January 14, 2012 12:08PM

read Patch:

BOS --including Bulova--has already said that budget is unrealistic.

I see lots of problems with the budget.

Did you see SB meeting? Schultz asked if FCPS doesn't need to get some outside help on projections because of the record of poor projections in the past. Dale's response: something like I'm ahead of you on this--we hired a demographer 2 years ago. My question: is this the same demographer who left zip codes out of Clifton projections? Enough said.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: waybackwhen ()
Date: January 14, 2012 03:24PM

It was interesting to hear conservative republicans actually advocating for something that I support as a progressive-good education! I actually had to believe in Eliz Schultz because in all honesty she is the only one to stand up to FCPS and their invented numbers and BS research projects. CES was closed because FCPS is sick of dealing with parents that they perceive as having a since of entitlement (which, does btw actually improve education, squeeky wheel...) if all parents stood up for their schools they could all be good, but too many parents are too "busy" and just assume because their realtor tells them, that their schools are good, when in reality, they suck!!! Good for you CES parents!!!

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: the Taxpayer ()
Date: January 14, 2012 05:17PM

waybackwhen Wrote:
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> It was interesting to hear conservative
> republicans actually advocating for something that
> I support as a progressive-good education! I
> actually had to believe in Eliz Schultz because in
> all honesty she is the only one to stand up to
> FCPS and their invented numbers and BS research
> projects. CES was closed because FCPS is sick of
> dealing with parents that they perceive as having
> a since of entitlement (which, does btw actually
> improve education, squeeky wheel...) if all
> parents stood up for their schools they could all
> be good, but too many parents are too "busy" and
> just assume because their realtor tells them, that
> their schools are good, when in reality, they
> suck!!! Good for you CES parents!!!


Do you take drugs that cause hallucinations or are they from a mental disease?

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: jaguar trail is Liz ()
Date: January 14, 2012 10:42PM

Hi Liz! Good to know your premature retirement (yessss!) leaves you plenty of time to troll.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Happy Trails ()
Date: January 14, 2012 10:47PM

Please, please do the county and ride off into the sunset.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Happy Trails ()
Date: January 14, 2012 10:48PM

a favor, that is

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: likewise ()
Date: January 14, 2012 10:55PM

wrong again Wrote:
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> Your baiting is extremely tiresome.


I have been reading these entries for awhile and along with
>
>
>A) Just like your Board service

B) you should have spent more time listening to your constituents (or the silence or whatever) and less time reading effing FFXU.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: reopen CES ()
Date: January 15, 2012 08:22AM

There was NO real reason to close CES no matter how they made up numbers and fake reasons, they just were fairly successful in waging class warfare in the system. All the surrounding communities hate Clifton because there are nicer homes on 5 acre lots, they paid the price, they should have the school they want. Same thing with other nice areas that border not as nice areas- ie, herndon/great falls/Chantilly...you spend more money you should be able to have an elementary school that reflects your community.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Fairfax guy ()
Date: January 16, 2012 09:34AM

Much of the water in the town of Clifton should be tested.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Well water testing ()
Date: January 16, 2012 01:30PM

We had our Clifton well water tested before we moved in. The report came back with no problems. I love the taste too.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: guy5 ()
Date: March 12, 2012 08:51PM

Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> 6. Bradsher's way of showing Herrity who is boss
> in Springfield district in her mind. The school
> board acted like ticked off teenagers that
> couldn't get the keys to the family car when the
> BOS held money from budgets, etc. They continued
> to push the blame to the BOS for their own
> inability to provide oversight to expenditures.
> The BOS was having none of it and I hope/pray the
> BOS don't entertain the 9% increase Dale is
> currently seeking.


Who knows the story behind this guy???????.....

ARMENDARIS ","DAVID ","J","040"," 6801","NEWMAN ","RD","CLIFTON ","VA","08/17/2005","FAIL OBEY HWY

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: cliftonite ()
Date: March 12, 2012 09:33PM

He passed away from leukemia a few years ago.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: April 16, 2012 01:30PM

Now this is in the courts:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virginia-supreme-court-to-weigh-limits-on-official-e-mail-in-fairfax-schools-case/2012/04/13/gIQArNs9ET_story.html?hpid=z7

Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear arguments Monday in a case arising from Fairfax County schools that could impose new limits on how elected officials use e-mail to discuss public business.

The key question is whether hundreds of e-mails, which Fairfax School Board members sent to one another before a controversial vote to close Clifton Elementary School, constituted secret meetings in violation of the state Freedom of Information Act.

Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear arguments Fairfax School Board case that could impose new limits on elected officials’ use of e-mail to discuss public business.

The case arose last year when Clifton parent Jill DeMello Hill filed a lawsuit in an effort to force a revote on the school’s closure and a broader examination of whether e-mails pinging between BlackBerrys and laptops have allowed the kind of private deliberations that the state law is meant to prevent.

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POPCORN!! SODA POP!!! GET'CHER POPCORN RIGHT HERE!!
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: April 16, 2012 02:37PM

see, I'm selling concessions before the fight :)

edit:
well I guess between rounds 2 and 3 LoLz



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/16/2012 02:38PM by Gordon Blvd.

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Re: POPCORN!! SODA POP!!! GET'CHER POPCORN RIGHT HERE!!
Posted by: srsly. ()
Date: April 16, 2012 03:12PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> see, I'm selling concessions before the fight :)
>
> edit:
> well I guess between rounds 2 and 3 LoLz


Another post from the goofus.

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Re: POPCORN!! SODA POP!!! GET'CHER POPCORN RIGHT HERE!!
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: April 16, 2012 07:36PM

srsly. Wrote:
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>
>
> Another post from the goofus.


yes, yes.........I know, I know.......
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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Snobs lose again ()
Date: June 09, 2012 09:47AM

So the ultra selfish clifton moms get shut down again. Now lets raze whats left of the CES building and build a monument to selfishness, hate, ignorance and intolerance to remind future generations of how foul and disgusting people can become.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virginia-supreme-court-rules-fairfax-school-board-did-not-break-state-law-with-e-mails/2012/06/07/gJQACDsHLV_story.html

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: neighbor 2 ()
Date: June 09, 2012 09:56AM

justsayin Wrote:
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> Now this is in the courts:
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virg
> inia-supreme-court-to-weigh-limits-on-official-e-m
> ail-in-fairfax-schools-case/2012/04/13/gIQArNs9ET_
> story.html?hpid=z7
>
> Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear
> arguments Monday in a case arising from Fairfax
> County schools that could impose new limits on how
> elected officials use e-mail to discuss public
> business.
>
> The key question is whether hundreds of e-mails,
> which Fairfax School Board members sent to one
> another before a controversial vote to close
> Clifton Elementary School, constituted secret
> meetings in violation of the state Freedom of
> Information Act.
>
> Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear
> arguments Fairfax School Board case that could
> impose new limits on elected officials’ use of
> e-mail to discuss public business.
>
> The case arose last year when Clifton parent Jill
> DeMello Hill filed a lawsuit in an effort to force
> a revote on the school’s closure and a broader
> examination of whether e-mails pinging between
> BlackBerrys and laptops have allowed the kind of
> private deliberations that the state law is meant
> to prevent.

Is this the mom who was threatening to stamp her feet and hold her breath till her face turned blue if the rest of the county would not let her have her way?

"HILL ","JILL ","D","042"," 7516","EVANS FORD ","RD","CLIFTON ","VA","08/03/2009","RUNNING AT LARGE "

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: June 09, 2012 09:57AM

so what yr saying is that you want them to build a monument in yr honor?

LoLz

pic unrelated
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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: clifton moms are hot ()
Date: June 09, 2012 10:08AM

some of them are.
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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: another neighbor ()
Date: June 09, 2012 01:10PM

That aint no Clifton mom, they don't wear clothes like that and they certainly don't smile.

Hill lost and so did Clifton they have no one to blame but themselves to include Schultz and others.

Now they must pay up and suck it up. Suggest they be annexed to PW County. Osbourn HS could use them.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Liz Fan ()
Date: June 09, 2012 03:27PM

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: just because ()
Date: June 09, 2012 03:57PM

Just because it's legal, that doesn't make it moral, right, or even smart. Closing Clifton was not a good decision.

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cause, y'know $$$$ is more inportant than community in Fairfax County dont y'all know this by now?
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: June 09, 2012 04:02PM

@just - all about the Benjamins, baby.........................

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: The right call ()
Date: June 09, 2012 04:09PM

just because Wrote:
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> Just because it's legal, that doesn't make it
> moral, right, or even smart. Closing Clifton was
> not a good decision.


No, being legal doesn't mean it's smart, but it was. And most people agree. I can understand how people living near the school would want it to stay open, closing to made sense. And closing the school was not amoral.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: No, no, no ()
Date: June 09, 2012 05:05PM

CES will reopen.

Where are we going to put these 4,000 new kids joining FCPS next year?

Jack Dale is a fraud.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Fairview mom ()
Date: June 09, 2012 05:11PM

Yes, PLEASE re-open Clifton Elementary, so my kids can ride the bus again!

The behavior of many of those Clifton kids is HORRIBLE, so bad that I've been forced to drive my kids to school. I'm not the only one that has been forced to do this, I'd say half the moms on my street have also started driving.

It's a pain but I refuse to have my kids being struck, verbally/emotionally abused, and subjected to almost non-stop screaming by these animals from Clifton.

The driver does the best she can but she has to drive the damned bus. They should put an aide on those Clifton buses to try maintain a semblance of order.

Or better yet, RE-OPEN CLIFTON!!!

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: yes, yes, yes ()
Date: June 09, 2012 05:11PM

Not happening.
But if you think it will reopen I hear there is a bridge for sale in Brooklyn, you might want to check that out too.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: June 09, 2012 05:11PM

HEY! There's a good point. How are the surrounding schools - how have they been handling this?

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Fairview mom is Liz Bradsher ()
Date: June 09, 2012 05:22PM

If not this mom is just one fat jealous bitch.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Don't blame the kids ()
Date: June 09, 2012 06:45PM

Fairview mom Wrote:
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> Yes, PLEASE re-open Clifton Elementary, so my kids
> can ride the bus again!
>
> The behavior of many of those Clifton kids is
> HORRIBLE, so bad that I've been forced to drive my
> kids to school. I'm not the only one that has
> been forced to do this, I'd say half the moms on
> my street have also started driving.
>
> It's a pain but I refuse to have my kids being
> struck, verbally/emotionally abused, and
> subjected to almost non-stop screaming by these
> animals from Clifton.
>
> The driver does the best she can but she has to
> drive the damned bus. They should put an aide on
> those Clifton buses to try maintain a semblance of
> order.
>
> Or better yet, RE-OPEN CLIFTON!!!


Not sure this post is true, but if so, it's is only because the parents of these kids went way overboard and got their kids all worked up. The kids will go to whichever school the bus takes them. Unfortunately for these kids, they were told by their parents that they had been wronged and probably a bunch of other things. No wonder they are acting out.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: former bus driver ()
Date: June 09, 2012 07:20PM

Don't blame the kids Wrote:
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> Fairview mom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yes, PLEASE re-open Clifton Elementary, so my
> kids
> > can ride the bus again!
> >
> > The behavior of many of those Clifton kids is
> > HORRIBLE, so bad that I've been forced to drive
> my
> > kids to school. I'm not the only one that has
> > been forced to do this, I'd say half the moms
> on
> > my street have also started driving.
> >
> > It's a pain but I refuse to have my kids being
> > struck, verbally/emotionally abused, and
> > subjected to almost non-stop screaming by these
> > animals from Clifton.
> >
> > The driver does the best she can but she has to
> > drive the damned bus. They should put an aide
> on
> > those Clifton buses to try maintain a semblance
> of
> > order.
> >
> > Or better yet, RE-OPEN CLIFTON!!!
>
>
> Not sure this post is true, but if so, it's is
> only because the parents of these kids went way
> overboard and got their kids all worked up. The
> kids will go to whichever school the bus takes
> them. Unfortunately for these kids, they were told
> by their parents that they had been wronged and
> probably a bunch of other things. No wonder they
> are acting out.


I can belive this post. I have no knowledge of Clifton, but as a former driver I can tell you that the more affluent a kid's family is, the worse the behavior of the kid. Of course, there are exceptions, but this is generally true.

I attribute it to the kids being told that low-level folks like bus drivers are beneath them, sort of like dogshit that they scrape off their shoes. Also they arte told that the rules simply don't apply to them, they are special. Therefore, they raise hell on the bus or otherwise do as they damned please. They certainly don't take directions from servants like bus drivers, etc.

I drove in the Great Falls/Langley area which is as affluent as Clifton. The Great Falls kids are also horribly behaved on the bus. It's funny, I was later transferred to the Reston area and served supposedly terrible schools like Dogwood and Hunter Woods and those kids were far better behaved!

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Former CES Parent ()
Date: June 09, 2012 07:39PM

Interesting theory, but the CES population included kids from middle class areas like the Colchester Hunt subdivision, and poor areas like Vannoy park. Personally, I didn't see any difference between Clifton kids and kids from other areas. Some (most) good, some not so good but redeemable, and some just plain bad.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Vannoy park visitor ()
Date: June 09, 2012 09:41PM

Former CES Parent Wrote:
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> Interesting theory, but the CES population
> included kids from middle class areas like the
> Colchester Hunt subdivision, and poor areas like
> Vannoy park. Personally, I didn't see any
> difference between Clifton kids and kids from
> other areas. Some (most) good, some not so good
> but redeemable, and some just plain bad.


LOL! Vannoy park consists of 15 redneck houses and 23 $400,000 plus houses.
Only three of the redneck houses have kids and they were happy to be sent to fairview.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Justataxpayer ()
Date: June 09, 2012 11:18PM

Former CES Parent Wrote:
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> Interesting theory, but the CES population
> included kids from middle class areas like the
> Colchester Hunt subdivision, and poor areas like
> Vannoy park. Personally, I didn't see any
> difference between Clifton kids and kids from
> other areas. Some (most) good, some not so good
> but redeemable, and some just plain bad.

Based on the home values in the actual Town of Clifton for most homes (except Frog Hill), I would say the town itself qualifies as middle class. Some $500k homes in town and many $500k homes outside of town. Home value is not always a reflection of actual wealth either. Not sure where to find the info but I am certain there are a number of underwater homes in the Clifton area. No different than other areas in Fairfax County.

As for the behavior of children on school buses, there are rules and if the kids are hitting others, have the hitters removed from the bus. How hard is that? Talk to the Fairview principal about it and name names of the miscreants if the situation is really so bad that you have to clog up the already dangerous kiss and ride at Fairview daily so your child feels safe on their ride to school. From what I saw of bus routes this year, very few if any prior Fairview students are on routes that cover the legacy Clifton attendance area. Your concerns hold little basis in fact if you don't have those in positions of responsibility fixing the problem for you versus you just removing your child from the bus.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: dell ave ()
Date: June 10, 2012 09:31AM

Pool party at Liz's place today to celebrate her latest victory!


Check out these nice folks that live on frog hill in the town of Clifton.
Talk about selfish, we can swim at Liz's house while these Cliftonites will continue to swim in lake "ME".




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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Real Data ()
Date: June 10, 2012 10:43AM

To Former CES Parent living in Colchester Hunt---
See below, suggest you try to get facts on an issue -- but perhaps that would be asking too much from a bitter parent who believed Clifton was teflon to county issues and needs?


Household Income
Median Household Income
Clifton, VA 152,188 USD
Virginia 61,406 USD
U.S. 51,914 USD
Mean Household Income
Clifton, VA 201,697 USD
Virginia 82,584 USD
U.S. 70,883 USD

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: manassas city family ()
Date: June 10, 2012 08:30PM

Clifton Parent Wrote:
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> It is time to move on. The school is closing and
> our kids will learn more in their new locations
> with diverse classmates.
>
> I cannot believe the whining about this, it is
> extremely embarrassing. When I'm asked where I am
> from, I now respond with 'just outside of
> Centreville'.
>
> Get over it already.


I know how more and more western Fairfax county residents like to say they are from Manassas. That sounds pretty impressive but it is giving Manassas a bad name.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Proud to be from Clifton! ()
Date: June 10, 2012 08:40PM

I love Clifton. We have made many wonderful friends and it is a great community.

Many of us are over the closing of CES. We have moved on. We are over it. I suggest if you are embarrassed you have some sort of guilt.

Life is too short to stay bitter.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: qoiuroqwu ()
Date: June 11, 2012 07:43AM

the "town of Clifton" does not include Clifton and the 20124 zip code (it is just the town), the larger more expensive homes are in the outlying areas and also include 22039 (Fx Sta)-it is basically the part that used to be the area that including CES. That is the high income area (not Little Rocky Run) and there is a BIG difference. So you can stop whining and debating.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Justataxpayer ()
Date: June 11, 2012 10:25AM

qoiuroqwu Wrote:
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> the "town of Clifton" does not include Clifton and
> the 20124 zip code (it is just the town), the
> larger more expensive homes are in the outlying
> areas and also include 22039 (Fx Sta)-it is
> basically the part that used to be the area that
> including CES. That is the high income area (not
> Little Rocky Run) and there is a BIG difference.
> So you can stop whining and debating.

Exactly my point that it seems few understand.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: modular learning ()
Date: June 12, 2012 04:30AM

No, no, no Wrote:
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> CES will reopen.
>
> Where are we going to put these 4,000 new kids
> joining FCPS next year?
>
> Jack Dale is a fraud.


They have it covered.
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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Looks good to me ()
Date: June 12, 2012 07:56AM

See nothing wrong with modulars for the short term. Spending money for buildings that will be under enrolled in the future due to pop changes is a waste. The major growth in pop. is not in Clifton, check inside the beltway or Rt. 1 or is that too far for you to look or perhaps you did not realize the county was bigger than Clifton?

You do need to move on....

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will y'all PLEASE just shut up about the whole "move on" thing already?
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: June 12, 2012 09:21AM

in case y'all havent noticed..................the ppl of Clifton HAVE moved on........

havent seen or heard one Richie-Rich say that "fight aint over"

so let them mourn their school and STFU they didnt do anything wrong..............sheesh!

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Re: will y'all PLEASE just shut up about the whole "move on" thing already?
Posted by: upscale education ()
Date: June 12, 2012 06:37PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> in case y'all havent noticed..................the
> ppl of Clifton HAVE moved on........
>
> havent seen or heard one Richie-Rich say that
> "fight aint over"
>
> so let them mourn their school and STFU they didnt
> do anything wrong..............sheesh!


The charter school plan is in the works. We may not get the CES building or site but it will be open by 2015 at the very latest. In the meantime my kids are going to the highland school in Warrenton.

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Re: will y'all PLEASE just shut up about the whole "move on" thing already?
Posted by: 2015? ()
Date: June 12, 2012 09:19PM

We have moved on.

We are happy.

We will continue where we are.

We will go to Robinson!

Good luck to you in Warrenton.

Good night!

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: all too convenient ()
Date: June 12, 2012 09:36PM

If you moved on then why read these posts?

The residents of Clifton demonstrated who they were and are, it is not pretty. People don't forget as evidenced by this forum.

Will the"so called" town cough up money again for legal fees via taxation? Great foresight.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Really? ()
Date: June 13, 2012 06:45AM

I am allowed to read about my own community that got bashed with lies.

Still over it.

:)

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: June 13, 2012 11:42AM

@really? - oh no, not "lies". it is called "misinformation", you see LoLz. @upscale - awesome! ;)

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: on the hill ()
Date: August 01, 2012 06:41AM

Saw a crane set up at the CES ruins yesterday. I thought they were not going to tear down the building. Does anyone know whats going on?

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: New roof ()
Date: August 01, 2012 06:44AM

They are putting on a new roof.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: on the hill ()
Date: August 01, 2012 12:19PM

New roof Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> They are putting on a new roof.


Does this mean that the school will get reopened soon?

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: not true ()
Date: August 01, 2012 06:29PM

Nope --- closed.

No new roof ---give it up.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Well, maybe ()
Date: August 02, 2012 01:41AM

A number of competing interests going on here:

"They" are making CES as unusable as possible to make sure it can not reopen.

The now greatly overcrowded schools that received all the CES students are looking for a way to send them back.

Some members of the school board who favored the reopening of CES during the campaign are now focusing their efforts on starting and ending high schools at later times.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: not true ()
Date: August 02, 2012 07:03AM

Those "other" schools are at capacity and being used wisely for the sake of tax- payers.

The dysfunctional Board has no funds to put into CES to renovate it. Your Clifton SB member has not won one amendment or motion---highly unlikely she will get anything done. Get over it and move on the rest of us did.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: personna non grata ()
Date: August 02, 2012 01:48PM

"The dysfunctional Board has no funds to put into CES to renovate it. Your Clifton SB member has not won one amendment or motion---highly unlikely she will get anything done. Get over it and move on the rest of us did."

Obviously, the former Springfield rep has an abundance of time on her hands and a terminal case of sour grapes. Good thing she's permanently out of the public arena.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Clifton Dad ()
Date: August 02, 2012 05:35PM

I am not happy about my kid having to go to Fairview with all the kids from loser families. The other day my kid asked me what a Cleveland steamer was. This never would have happened if he was still at CES.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: not true ()
Date: August 02, 2012 05:43PM

Get over it personna whatever....

Hope she returns, and so do a lot of others. Your grapes are truly tainted...too bad for you.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Amazing ()
Date: August 02, 2012 05:58PM

FCPS ruined hundreds of kids lives and no one cares.

Did you know all three schools that the CES kids were splt up into are now overcrowded? 30 kids in some classes. Forty five minute bus rides.

This has not turned out well. FCPS does not care about kids or communities.

We have moved on but will not forget.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Your Child's Teacher ()
Date: August 02, 2012 07:29PM

Clifton Dad Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> The other day my kid asked me what a Cleveland
> steamer was.

But could you answer the question?

I hope you asked your child which definition of Cleveland Steamer they meant. It is important to use the phrase correctly in their fifth grade SOL writings.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cleveland%20steamer

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: steamer guy ()
Date: August 03, 2012 05:02AM

Your Child's Teacher Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Clifton Dad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > The other day my kid asked me what a Cleveland
> > steamer was.
>
> But could you answer the question?
>
> I hope you asked your child which definition of
> Cleveland Steamer they meant. It is important to
> use the phrase correctly in their fifth grade SOL
> writings.
>
>
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cle
> veland%20steamer


This is the type of steamer used in most county school kitchens.
Attachments:
cleveland.jpg

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: personna non grata ()
Date: August 03, 2012 10:38AM

"Hope she returns, and so do a lot of others."


Bueller? Bueller?

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: county guy ()
Date: August 03, 2012 02:39PM

neighbor 2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Now this is in the courts:
> >
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virg
>
> >
> inia-supreme-court-to-weigh-limits-on-official-e-m
>
> >
> ail-in-fairfax-schools-case/2012/04/13/gIQArNs9ET_
>
> > story.html?hpid=z7
> >
> > Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear
> > arguments Monday in a case arising from Fairfax
> > County schools that could impose new limits on
> how
> > elected officials use e-mail to discuss public
> > business.
> >
> > The key question is whether hundreds of
> e-mails,
> > which Fairfax School Board members sent to one
> > another before a controversial vote to close
> > Clifton Elementary School, constituted secret
> > meetings in violation of the state Freedom of
> > Information Act.
> >
> > Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to hear
> > arguments Fairfax School Board case that could
> > impose new limits on elected officials’ use
> of
> > e-mail to discuss public business.
> >
> > The case arose last year when Clifton parent
> Jill
> > DeMello Hill filed a lawsuit in an effort to
> force
> > a revote on the school’s closure and a
> broader
> > examination of whether e-mails pinging between
> > BlackBerrys and laptops have allowed the kind
> of
> > private deliberations that the state law is
> meant
> > to prevent.
>
> Is this the mom who was threatening to stamp her
> feet and hold her breath till her face turned blue
> if the rest of the county would not let her have
> her way?
>
> "HILL ","JILL ","D","042","
> 7516","EVANS FORD ","RD","CLIFTON
> ","VA","08/03/2009","RUNNING AT LARGE
> "


what kind of charge is "running at large"?

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: derh ()
Date: August 03, 2012 02:48PM

It means her dog gof off its leash and/or ran off her property.

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: FCPS ()
Date: August 03, 2012 08:39PM

Since the influx of Hispanics to the FCPS they may need to reopen CES since Jack Dale does not know his head from his ass.

Just watch.

He is leaving and CES will reopen.

LOL!

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Re: CLIFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
Posted by: Clifton dad ()
Date: August 03, 2012 10:13PM

county guy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> neighbor 2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > justsayin Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Now this is in the courts:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virg
>
> >
> > >
> >
> inia-supreme-court-to-weigh-limits-on-official-e-m
>
> >
> > >
> >
> ail-in-fairfax-schools-case/2012/04/13/gIQArNs9ET_
>
> >
> > > story.html?hpid=z7
> > >
> > > Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to
> hear
> > > arguments Monday in a case arising from
> Fairfax
> > > County schools that could impose new limits
> on
> > how
> > > elected officials use e-mail to discuss
> public
> > > business.
> > >
> > > The key question is whether hundreds of
> > e-mails,
> > > which Fairfax School Board members sent to
> one
> > > another before a controversial vote to close
> > > Clifton Elementary School, constituted secret
> > > meetings in violation of the state Freedom of
> > > Information Act.
> > >
> > > Virginia’s Supreme Court is scheduled to
> hear
> > > arguments Fairfax School Board case that
> could
> > > impose new limits on elected officials’ use
> > of
> > > e-mail to discuss public business.
> > >
> > > The case arose last year when Clifton parent
> > Jill
> > > DeMello Hill filed a lawsuit in an effort to
> > force
> > > a revote on the school’s closure and a
> > broader
> > > examination of whether e-mails pinging
> between
> > > BlackBerrys and laptops have allowed the kind
> > of
> > > private deliberations that the state law is
> > meant
> > > to prevent.
> >
> > Is this the mom who was threatening to stamp
> her
> > feet and hold her breath till her face turned
> blue
> > if the rest of the county would not let her
> have
> > her way?
> >
> > "HILL ","JILL ","D","042","
>
> > 7516","EVANS FORD ","RD","CLIFTON
> > ","VA","08/03/2009","RUNNING AT LARGE
>
> > "
>
>
> what kind of charge is "running at large"?


It was at least one horse and it caused a bad crash, people were hurt from what I understand.

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