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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Lester Burnham ()
Date: September 16, 2007 12:18AM

lifeguard Wrote:
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> That is not vomit, it
> is the water that goes into the lungs as well as
> whatever fluids are in the trachaea and esophogus.
> Drowning occurs when someone inhales water or
> another fluid and they can no longer breathe.
> That is what comes up during CPR. Fucking morons,
> all of you.

Ever hear of gastric distension? Even CPR performed well can cause air to enter the stomach if you do not have an effective head tilt. So trust me, it often is vomit (stomach contents) you encounter during CPR. You can use a mask and still come face to face with this, especially if you need to clear the patient's airway. This may, however, become a thing of the past with some new CPR techniques doing away with ventilations and focusing solely on chest compressions.

So, lifeguard, try to play nice and stop calling people morons when your response is not 100% spot on.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: somebody1 ()
Date: September 16, 2007 07:58AM

Lester Burnham Wrote:
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> lifeguard Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > That is not vomit, it
> > is the water that goes into the lungs as well
> as
> > whatever fluids are in the trachaea and
> esophogus.
> > Drowning occurs when someone inhales water or
> > another fluid and they can no longer breathe.
> > That is what comes up during CPR. Fucking
> morons,
> > all of you.
>
> Ever hear of gastric distension? Even CPR
> performed well can cause air to enter the stomach
> if you do not have an effective head tilt. So
> trust me, it often is vomit (stomach contents) you
> encounter during CPR. You can use a mask and
> still come face to face with this, especially if
> you need to clear the patient's airway. This may,
> however, become a thing of the past with some new
> CPR techniques doing away with ventilations and
> focusing solely on chest compressions.
>
> So, lifeguard, try to play nice and stop calling
> people morons when your response is not 100% spot
> on.

Exactly...even a person that is endotracheally intubated can get air into the stomach due to overzealous ventilations.....most times during CPR and rescue breathing, alot of force is being used secondary to the adrenalin rush of the caregiver(rescuer).
So, yes, very often vomiting is an issue, technique can prevent this but you should always be prepared for it.

People are not as much morons as they are ignorant when they ask legitimate questions..........angry comments are from morons........:)

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: September 16, 2007 02:08PM

This thread has devolved into debates about vomit, eh? I'm done here.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: nharbor ()
Date: September 16, 2007 03:23PM

you dont know the father...so how the heeck could you go and say he should burn in hell..?!? i saw the man yesterday at his store, and looked like hes been crying everyday since the tragic accident. no one is to blame as that lifeguard said.


if you dont know the man or the lifeguard you are in no position to be calling anyone a moron.

astfurallah.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Job Beams ()
Date: September 16, 2007 05:41PM

nharbor Wrote:
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> you dont know the father...so how the heeck could
> you go and say he should burn in hell..?!? i saw
> the man yesterday at his store, and looked like
> hes been crying everyday since the tragic
> accident. no one is to blame as that lifeguard
> said.
>
>
> if you dont know the man or the lifeguard you are
> in no position to be calling anyone a moron.
>
> astfurallah.

Did you mean: ASTAGFURALLAH?

INNA LILLAHI WA INNA ILAYHI RAJIUN-INSHALLAH-

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: slinkeyts ()
Date: September 16, 2007 05:48PM

what are you talking about



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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: nharbor ()
Date: September 19, 2007 04:58PM

yes, that is what i ment,

and to add a lil more to whati was saying, the girls death was in the hands of God. No one is to blame, everything in this life COULD of been avoided. but everythings in the Gods hands, lets not blame a father who knows he was at fault and keep damning him.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: cburns ()
Date: September 20, 2007 10:53AM

It only takes a split second for one to injest water and then they are out. If a parent takes their eyes off of a child the child is at risk. Lifeguards can't keep their eyes on every single child in the pool all at once. Parents need to keep their eye's on their children. I personally had a close call, I turned my back to swim to the middle of the pool to speak to one of my other children while my 5 year old was told to stay at the edge. He thought he was strong enough to swim to me and wasn't. He went under,lucky for us someone saw him and grabed him. It happend so fast. I was only a few feet away. He is twelve today and a very strong swimmer, but we all keep an eye on each other. Water is fun but needs to be respected. This is just a tragic accident. No ones fault.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: FormerLFTEmployee ()
Date: September 20, 2007 10:58AM

Having worked at LFT for 3 yrs, I can say for a fact that half of their employees are completely incompetent and they could careless. There was turned in a lifeguard for leaving the pool to go make out with an employee from a different Dept. Hell you could see them holding each other through the door and nothing was done! GM doesn't care about what's going on there...he's to busy banging the Spa Dept Head. The child care is always under staffed with mostly people who want to sit around and do nothing, but hey what do they expect; they're only being paid $7-$7.50 an hour to watch up to 100 kids at a time.

Granted the father should hold some responsiblity in what happened to that poor kid but if these "lifeguards" were worried about what was going on in the pool rather than watching the clock until their shift was up it may not have happened.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: FormerLFTEmployee ()
Date: September 20, 2007 11:00AM

I should add that this is in IL not in the club where the drowing accured.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Kelsea ()
Date: September 20, 2007 01:12PM

At every pool there is a rule that "every child must be watched by their parent or guardian" but if every pool abided by that rule, then when do the lifeguards jobs come in? do they really think their job is just to sit there, look pretty and get paid bank for doing nothing? Because that's what many guards make it seem like, relaxing in the chair like their job is not important at all. It would be different if the rule stated that every child under 5 must be kept in arms reach of the parent or guardian, but that wasn't the case at this pool. As a lifeguard the patrons in your pool every day are your responsibility. When a guard certifies to work at a pool, they are told that the patrons always come first and every child and/or adult swimming in the area that you are suppose to be watching, are your responsibility. I am unaware of the company that certifies Life Time's guards, but i do know that Ellis, which i believe is the best association out there, teaches all their guards to always scan the water, never take your eyes off of it and to get up and walk around your area (still watching the water) to check for blindspots and to make sure that there is not a lifeless child laying at the bottom of the pool that you couldn't see from where your sitting because there were too many children and adults in the pool.(which is not an excuse) A guard can't see EVERYTHING from sitting in one position and the blindspots are the still the guards responsiblity to check. What makes this sad situation even worse is that the guard and/or guards on duty didn't even see the child laying at the bottom of the pool when EVERYONE was CLEARED out of the water, obviously someone was worrying about their break rather than about somebody's life which is truly horrible and disappointing. Being a lifeguard is a huge responsibility, and when heading into work every day they should always remind themselves of how much an important job they have and the fact that everyone that comes to their pool that day they are in charge of, parent or guardian present or not. If every pool followed by the "you must swim with a parent or guardian" rule then there would be no such thing as a lifeguard because no one would be drowning right? Of course no parent wants to leave their child alone or with another sibling, but no matter who is around, the guard still SHOULD be scanning their water and checking their blind spots, even if everyone is cleared out of the water, people present or not. Also, its obvious that the pool needs to do a better job at training their lifeguards during inservice which is required for ALL guards to do and the guards need to focus on MUCH more than watching the clock for break.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Kelsea ()
Date: September 20, 2007 01:17PM

oh and commenting to one response. of course every lifeguard can't watch EVERY child in the pool but you have 10 seconds to see the lifeless or wailing child and 20 seconds to get to them and save them... that's why every lifeguard should follow the rule that you MUST scan your water every second your sitting there by always keeping your head moving around your water area. and no matter what age you are, someone should always keep an eye on you while swiming, its more likely someone will die in a house with a pool rather than a house that contains a gun.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Fairfax MF---er ()
Date: September 20, 2007 02:44PM

It is foolish for any parent to rely on a high school student to look out for the safety of their child at a pool. People want to bash the lifeguards for not being attentive enough. Well, if I brought my kid to a pool and saw the lifeguards doing some of the things you folks are accusing them of, I would not let me kid out of my site. And yes, it IS the responsibility of the parent - first and foremost - to keep an eye out on their kid. Not the lifeguard. The lifeguard is a safety net, not a parent.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: September 20, 2007 03:50PM

Why are we blaming dad of lifeguards? Obviously its the girls fault, she didnt get out of the pool when break was called. If she would have gotten out of the pool, she couldnt have drownded.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Kelsea ()
Date: September 20, 2007 04:43PM

first of all your ignorant and that was rude.. are you really talkin shit about a 5 year old.. YOU DONT EVEN KNOW and drownded.. good english!

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: September 20, 2007 04:49PM

good punctuation and spelling...

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: DB ()
Date: September 21, 2007 11:41AM

DI am an investigator in Fairfax and would like to speak with you. Please call me at 703.330.4480.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: DB ()
Date: September 21, 2007 11:51AM

I am an investigator in Fairfax and would like to speak with you. Please call me at 703.330.4480.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: DB ()
Date: September 21, 2007 02:06PM

FormerLFTEmployee Wrote:
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> Having worked at LFT for 3 yrs, I can say for a
> fact that half of their employees are completely
> incompetent and they could careless. There was
> turned in a lifeguard for leaving the pool to go
> make out with an employee from a different Dept.
> Hell you could see them holding each other through
> the door and nothing was done! GM doesn't care
> about what's going on there...he's to busy banging
> the Spa Dept Head. The child care is always under
> staffed with mostly people who want to sit around
> and do nothing, but hey what do they expect;
> they're only being paid $7-$7.50 an hour to watch
> up to 100 kids at a time.
>
> Granted the father should hold some responsiblity
> in what happened to that poor kid but if these
> "lifeguards" were worried about what was going on
> in the pool rather than watching the clock until
> their shift was up it may not have happened.




I am an investigator in Fairfax and would like to speak with you. Please call me at 703.330.4480.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: DB ()
Date: September 21, 2007 02:09PM

Angry Parent Wrote:
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> NHarbor,
>
> Your response literally disgusts me. You weren't
> there and you can't take someone's word any more
> than we can take the lifeguards' words. Just
> because you know this man personally doesn't mean
> we should choose to believe what he says over the
> words of the professionals on duty. Also, I am
> very close with several employees at Lifetime and
> am quite sure that no one is circulating ANY sort
> of story about the father drinking so I'm not
> quite sure where you pulled THAT out of. Perhaps
> you're just trying to cause drama?
>
> You clearly have never even been to Lifetime
> Fitness since you referenced the duties of the
> lifeguards as to babysit your children which is
> far from it. Also you discussed why the
> lifeguards sit in "those high chairs." The
> lifeguards at Lifetime stand and haven't sat in
> chairs in almost a year. Also, your allegations
> that the father was the one who found the daughter
> and pulled her out are just as heavily balanced by
> allegations that the lifeguard pulled her out
> which is much more likely considering the father
> was searching for his daughter in other areas of
> the gym.
>
> Also, please get your facts straight. The
> lifeguard is not a Junior at Centreville High
> School and your poor knowledge and accuracy on
> this fact negatees and other certainties you seem
> to claim.
>
> I'm disgusted by your need for drama and attention
> and by the fact that you associated yourself with
> someone you probably don't even know.



I am an investigator in Fairfax and would like to speak with you. Please call 703.330.4480.

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Re: Death Time Fitness
Posted by: DB ()
Date: September 21, 2007 02:18PM

Henry Remarko Wrote:
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> I partly agree with Lester.
>
> First, LTF should fire those incompetent
> lifeguards, and hire lifeguards who take their
> jobs more seriously... or else they should change
> their name to "Death Time Fitness", or "Drown Time


> Fitness".
>
> Second, at the very least, they should be held at
> fault for not strictly enforcing the rule that
> children must be accompanied by an adult.
>
> Because, as your daughter's have said, there are
> so many damn kids who are left unattended,
> scampering around like vermins throughout the
> entire facility as if it's a giant indoor
> playground. I will totally substantiate that it's
> the same at the C'ville LTF. I see parents
> dropping their kids off at the front and leaving,
> as if LTF is a daycare facility, and then when I'm
> on the basketball courts, a little 7 year old kid
> chases after a ball directly into my path on a
> fastbreak and I have to dive over the little
> snotball to keep from train wrecking his 3ft
> frame.
>
> I was there once about a year ago when there were
> a bunch of cops because of an attempted kidnapping
> - apparently some strange lady tried to lure an
> unattended child into leaving the gym with her.
> Luckily, the kid was smart enough not to go, but
> still, where the fuck was the parent at the time?
> On the elliptical? To a kidnapper, LTF would be
> like a candy store.
>
> LTF needs to clean up their act.


I am an investigator in Fairfax and would like to speak with you. Please call 703.330.4480.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: September 21, 2007 05:01PM

Kelsea Wrote:
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> first of all your ignorant and that was rude.. are
> you really talkin shit about a 5 year old.. YOU
> DONT EVEN KNOW and drownded.. good english!




I was kidding. Hence the poor spelling/grammar, etc. You're right I don't know anything about the whole deal except what is in the paper.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: FormerLFTEmployee ()
Date: September 21, 2007 07:25PM

DB Wrote:
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> FormerLFTEmployee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Having worked at LFT for 3 yrs, I can say for a
> > fact that half of their employees are
> completely
> > incompetent and they could careless. There was
> > turned in a lifeguard for leaving the pool to
> go
> > make out with an employee from a different
> Dept.
> > Hell you could see them holding each other
> through
> > the door and nothing was done! GM doesn't care
> > about what's going on there...he's to busy
> banging
> > the Spa Dept Head. The child care is always
> under
> > staffed with mostly people who want to sit
> around
> > and do nothing, but hey what do they expect;
> > they're only being paid $7-$7.50 an hour to
> watch
> > up to 100 kids at a time.
> >
> > Granted the father should hold some
> responsiblity
> > in what happened to that poor kid but if these
> > "lifeguards" were worried about what was going
> on
> > in the pool rather than watching the clock
> until
> > their shift was up it may not have happened.
>
>
>
>
> I am an investigator in Fairfax and would like to
> speak with you. Please call me at 703.330.4480.

As 2nd post said this incident happened in IL NOT in VA so I cannot give any information about the employees that were working when the drowning occured.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Mr. J. R. Kid ()
Date: September 23, 2007 12:33PM

This has been a concern of mine at Lifetime since I joined in Y2k and even more so as I've remained a member over the years, a serious lack of security, and not necessarily in and around the pool level. It has been said that Lifetime seriously needs to clean up their act and it's true because every day I go up there I worry I might hit a little kid in the parking lot, but their overall focus as an organization providing an overall healthy way of life state is based primarily on providing a zero level pressure environment for its members, where they feel free to enjoy the atmosphere, energy level, amenities, and services they offer, but this does not include teaching parents how to raise their kids, protect them, or keep them safe. This travesty, is horrific and makes me sick, It could have been easily avoided by parents choosing to be parents and not the dreamers that the atmosphere generates. Finite decisions should be left to a minimal because leaving your family alone at all times or at all is where this leads. My condolences to the parent, because I would probably feel I should never eat or drink again, and I firmly believe that Lifetime should choose to focus on the feelings of what it means to be a family and I’m genuinely sorry if this post upsets anyone, but it’s not surprising, but it’s not anyone’s fault, but I suggest Lifetime uses this sickness to grow better as an organization. Lifetime needs to promote the energy to protect your family, and not the other that someone previously posted.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: September 23, 2007 12:47PM

Mr. J. R. Kid Wrote:
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> Lifetime needs to promote the energy to protect
> your family, and not the other that someone
> previously posted.


gym ≠ daycare center


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Gravis' hairy boyfriend/cousin ()
Date: September 23, 2007 02:47PM

Mr. J. R. Kid Wrote:
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> Lifetime needs to promote the energy to protect
> your family, and not the other that someone
> previously posted.


I'm going to promote the energy to kick as many unattended kids at LTF as I can.

I'm going to run up and take a full swing punt at these 60 pound muthafuckas.

Without a parent around, who's going to stop me? LTF? Apparently they won't be held responsible...

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Fairfax MF---er ()
Date: September 24, 2007 10:24AM

So Lifetime is now responsible for kids that run around in the parking lot? Does that mean Wal-Mart should be responsible for kids that run around in its parking lots?

Bullshit.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: NO Rants Pls ()
Date: September 24, 2007 04:17PM

Please, be curteous and explain how your feelings Fairfax.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Fairfax MF---er ()
Date: September 24, 2007 04:38PM

NO Rants Pls Wrote:
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> Please, be curteous and explain how your feelings
> Fairfax.


The whole site is a friggin' "rant." Get over it.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: get the point ()
Date: September 24, 2007 04:59PM

you get the point

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Midnight Special ()
Date: October 06, 2007 10:42AM

I agree that this is a tragic incident and that we should not be pointing fingers until all the facts are known, especially if we were not there in person at the time of the accident. One thing, though, that bothers me a lot is the report that the father was in a hot tub that was only 3 or 4 feet away. That hot tub is at least 15 to 20 feet away from the edge of the pool which would make it probably 35 to 40 feet away from the area the young girl was playing in. While there may be plenty of blame to go around with reference to the father, the life guards or the club, it seems to me that, in many of the reports I have read, the father doesn't want to take any blame and that's a shame.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Jason and the Argonauts ()
Date: October 08, 2007 12:12PM

assumptions lead to blaming
responsibility has nothing to with either

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: October 08, 2007 12:35PM

Jason and the Argonauts Wrote:
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> assumptions lead to blaming
> responsibility has nothing to with either


The one certainty here is that the father wasn't watching his kid. That's not an assumption.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Common sense not so common ()
Date: October 11, 2007 02:12PM

Who's the moron here? That's why it is a QUESTION.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Get the point ()
Date: October 11, 2007 07:36PM

Common sense not so common Wrote:
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> Who's the moron here? That's why it is a QUESTION.

Question of what?

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: no way ()
Date: October 11, 2007 10:29PM

Nice try. You can't back peddal your way out of this. You are refering to the Centreville LTF not Illinois. Busted but true.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: crackheads ()
Date: October 12, 2007 02:37AM

no way Wrote:
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> Nice try. You can't back peddal your way out of
> this. You are refering to the Centreville LTF not
> Illinois. Busted but true.


lol now i know what akradi and quddus feel like and the question posed by the blog was who is responsible for this thus the assumptions of a parent lead to blaming <?>, replaces where a responsible parent would be
gosh, i thought this thread was serious sorry

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Backhanda ()
Date: October 15, 2007 11:24PM

Ahh, thanks for reminding me why I stopped going to LTF...all the annoying, screaming children, and their irresponsible, lackadaisical parents that expect everyone else to watch their brats. God forbid there could be ONE FREAKING PLACE in this area that I could go to without having to put up with some NORVA asshat's spoiled, "pwecious wittle snowfwake". I've worked in places where parents try and expect me to watch their kid, (when it has definitely not been my job, i would NEVER take a job that requires me to do anything with children) and I just flat-out refuse. People need to learn how to take responsibility for their own lives, and their own kids. I do not get paid enough to deal with YOUR kids. EVER. So if you can't watch your own kids, don't blame the innocent employees when something happens to your kid. But of course this dumbtard is gonna sue, and he'll probably win, and that will be yet another blow to personal responsibility in this country. Hope you'll all be real proud when everyone blames everyone else for everything that happens....and people wonder why I rarely leave the house. I'm just sick of this stupidity.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Backhanda ()
Date: October 15, 2007 11:31PM

Gravis-

I've seen things happen in my previous job. I saw a kid who was unattended wander out the door and start towards the street, and I did nothing. It's none of my business, and I am not going to run out there and grab that kid, just to get sued or have the hysterical, ungrateful parent try and sue me for "molesting" their kid, or whatever. It's unfortunate that people feel they cannot interfere in certain situations, but honestly, it is not worth it for me to be accused of something, lose my house, my job, and everything I've worked for, to save some kid that I don't give a flying fark about in the first place. Nope...let the parents save their kids if something happens. That may seem harsh, but it's a harsh-ass world out there, and I am not ruining MY life for anyone's freaking annoying-ass kid that would probably just grow up to be another annoyance and drain on this planet's resources. Being the "Good Samaritan" is just setting yourself up for a lawsuit in this day and age, and I want no part of it. I look out for myself, and I don't expect anyone else to look out for me, so why should I look out for someone who is just going to punish me for my efforts? Sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it?

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: roflmao ()
Date: October 17, 2007 03:15AM

Pathetic, desperate people have no morality when it comes to themselves, others, or their kids, so watch your back jack.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: October 17, 2007 10:47PM

Backhanda,
umm... im not the one disagreeing with you. however, if some dumbass kid is about to run onto a busy highway, i would try to stop them. but oh man, the parents would not get away lightly with such stupidity and child services would be involved. personally, i hate kids because they are so fucking stupid and loud and like you said many have dumbass parents who should have been sterilized years ago. case and point: the other night i was at a restaurant and there were at least three screaming kids by me. im not talking about the occasional outburst, im talking about the constant screaming and squealing with 10 seconds rest after minutes of high pitched screaming. i dont see how they werent kicked out but i wanted to punch out the parents for fucking up my dining experience that i was paying for. some children need those electric shock collars they have for dogs that bark too much. sure, they wont understand how to make it stop shocking them but ill sure feel better about it.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: watcher ()
Date: October 18, 2007 06:57AM

You really can't expect to have a quiet dining experience at Chuck E. Cheese. Give the kids a break, Gravis. :)

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Steph ()
Date: October 21, 2007 03:56PM

Jay?

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Kay ()
Date: October 22, 2007 07:48PM

The father felt it was okay to leave their little five year old daughter alone in enough water she could drown in being watched by a son he raised, which means something is wrong with the overall programming with LTF, since families feel it's okay to abandon one another. I can't help but fathom what a father would be thinking about in a hot tub alone, while his children run off and play, obviously not the safety of his children and why is that? How could someone leave their daughter alone in a pool and think it's okay, even if they could possibly drown...what could he possibly be thinking about...Therein lies the real issue with working with people, how you make them feel and what they feel is okay, morality. Some people get it and some people can't...

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: real ()
Date: October 23, 2007 11:08PM

Lifeguard on duty.
When I feel like it?
Does it mean I have to get wet or watch the pool?
Do I have to watch the pool all the time...or can I text...flirt a bit....plan my weekend.....


Life guard on duty.
Watch the pool constantly...rotating pool positions every 15 minutes.
No cell phone carried...only a life ring and whistle needed.
Flirting, texting and weekend plans on your own time.

Which job position describes a typical life guard at Centreville LTF PRIOR to Sept 1, 2007?????
Ask some members.......

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: really real ()
Date: October 24, 2007 08:33AM

they should change the signs from truncated messages children must be supervised by parent or guardian to children of all ages must be supervised by parent or legal guardian or we'll sue your ass if you kid ends up drowning

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: the Wizard of Oz ()
Date: October 24, 2007 03:14PM

Treat everyone the way you'd like to be treated sounds like a great business model for this place, but instead it seems like they have garbage being thrown around all over the place in its wake.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: David Smart ()
Date: October 26, 2008 02:54AM

The Lifeguard is ultimately responsible......preiod

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: October 26, 2008 10:38AM

Thanks for the timely opinion on this issue.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: amyyy ()
Date: January 15, 2009 10:07PM

cc Wrote: DUDE! his brother ziyad is in my school and my team(liberty middle school) and he told me and i didnt believe it and i looked it up but he's so anooying. it's kinda sad. but i thought her name was spelled jenna. ...i feel so sorry )=
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> how awful... :(
>
> "CENTREVILLE, Va. -- Fairfax County police
> identified the 5-year-old girl who drowned at a
> gym pool on Friday as Jana Hammad of Clifton.
>
> Jana drowned at Life Time Fitness on Trinity
> Parkway just after 7 p.m. Friday, police said.
> Lifeguards had cleared the pool for a scheduled
> break. That's when the child's father realized his
> daughter was missing. She was found at the bottom
> of about 4 feet of water in the kiddie pool.
>
> Lifeguards immediately started CPR, but the girl
> was pronounced dead about an hour later at Inova
> Fair Oaks Hospital."
>
> http://www.nbc4.com/news/14026019/detail.html?subi
> d=10101441

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: A E H ()
Date: February 04, 2009 06:29PM

I worked there the summer that girl drowned (I was a camp counselor, my job ended the week before) and the lifeguards there suck. they don't pay attention! I, multiple times, had to jump in and pull my campers out from drowning because the lifeguards werent paying attention (like, 2 feet away!). This one kid just splashed the water all day. One of my kids was yelling for his attention after coming down the slide and getting sucked under, and the kid didnt turn around.

One of the many reasons I did not return for a job this past summer.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: dono ()
Date: February 04, 2009 07:12PM

I believe it as far as I am concerned I AM THE LIFEGUARD when we go. The best guards there are marginal. I watched a pretty attentive guard there this past week. One minus - she had no whistle!

Beware.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Update from this year ()
Date: December 16, 2009 08:08PM

http://valawyersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/19/5-year-old-drowns-in-fitness-center-pool-in-centreville-1750000-settlement/

5-year-old drowns in fitness center pool in Centreville - $1,750,000 Settlement

By Virginia Lawyers Weekly
Published: January 19, 2009

This was a lawsuit for the wrongful death of Jana Hammad, a 5-year-old child from Clifton, who on Aug. 31, 2007, drowned in a swimming pool at the defendant’s Life Time Fitness Center in Centreville. Jana drowned at or around the time of a swim break for the leisure pool after neither of the defendant’s ...

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Former Memeber ()
Date: December 16, 2009 10:13PM

I use to be a member of this GYM. When I was in the pool I would notice such worthless lifeguards just running the mouths with each other and not watching the pool.. I would tell my wife that if someone is in this pool and has an emergency, they wouldn't be getting it from the staff. The GYM should pay big money. This is lifetimes fault. They hire a bunch of fools and dont' force them to do their job. God bless her , this is awful. Boycott this trash gym

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Another Victim ()
Date: December 17, 2009 12:17AM

Update from this year Wrote:
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> http://valawyersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/19/5-year-
> old-drowns-in-fitness-center-pool-in-centreville-1
> 750000-settlement/
>
> 5-year-old drowns in fitness center pool in
> Centreville - $1,750,000 Settlement
>
> By Virginia Lawyers Weekly
> Published: January 19, 2009
>

So helpful... posting a link to an article that we can't read unless we subscribe.

Can we assume the insurance company paid off the lawyers rather than go to trial? Would love to see the deposition where the parents claimed no responsibility for supervising their kid. Who was their lawyer? I want that lawyer the next time my kid skins a knee.

Maybe you should post the article here:

http://facesoflawsuitabuse.org/

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: December 17, 2009 06:27AM

Update from this year Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://valawyersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/19/5-year-
> old-drowns-in-fitness-center-pool-in-centreville-1
> 750000-settlement/
>
> 5-year-old drowns in fitness center pool in
> Centreville - $1,750,000 Settlement
>
> By Virginia Lawyers Weekly
> Published: January 19, 2009
>
> This was a lawsuit for the wrongful death of Jana
> Hammad, a 5-year-old child from Clifton, who on
> Aug. 31, 2007, drowned in a swimming pool at the
> defendant’s Life Time Fitness Center in
> Centreville. Jana drowned at or around the time of
> a swim break for the leisure pool after neither of
> the defendant’s ...



It would appear that my monthly dues will be increasing again in the near future.

__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Anon ()
Date: December 21, 2009 11:07PM

What a joke of a father. Leaves his little girl to drown and then puts a price on her head. And look at the rest of the jokers here spouting out ideals about how they would act or how they supposedly act around children. Yeah right, you waste your time doing the same the dad and nearly all parents at the lifetime pool do, lounging around like a bunch of dicks. The lifeguards are hardly better. I get an overhead view of this stuff, I've seen your kind just the way it is.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Anon ()
Date: December 24, 2009 07:32AM

Every so often when it's night shift and teenagers are working, walk by the pump room by the office or the sprinkler room by the slides. There's a chance it'll smell like marijuana. The cameras are broken, so there's no way to prove they smoke there... but the management still refuses to drug test.

Most of the Lifeguards suck. Some of them actually pay attention, but make sure to watch your kids. Or go to a different gym.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Les ()
Date: December 24, 2009 07:08PM

the parent relied on a 12-year old kid to watch the girl. didn't the boy alert the lifeguard or the father?

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Mickey ()
Date: December 24, 2009 07:23PM

Lately, it seems that the guards are very vigilant, some look like they are in their 40 or 50's (economy I guess). Beats the kid w/Multiple Sclerosis and his crutches who could barely pick his nose much less swim.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: asddf ()
Date: May 07, 2010 06:48AM

that's not even the real reason she drowned lol, imho i'm glad she's dead. it's just another example for others about taking any personal responsibility...i'm sure she was thinking goodbye cruel world *gurgle*. she probably drowned herself just to get rid of the company

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: May 07, 2010 06:57AM

asddf Wrote:
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> that's not even the real reason she drowned lol,
> imho i'm glad she's dead. it's just another
> example for others about taking any personal
> responsibility...i'm sure she was thinking goodbye
> cruel world *gurgle*. she probably drowned herself
> just to get rid of the company


Is there any software that will ban posts as dumb as this as as soon as the "post message" button is pressed? Jesus Christ....

__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Gonads & Strife ()
Date: May 07, 2010 07:56AM

Warhawk Wrote:
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> asddf Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > that's not even the real reason she drowned
> lol,
> > imho i'm glad she's dead. it's just another
> > example for others about taking any personal
> > responsibility...i'm sure she was thinking
> goodbye
> > cruel world *gurgle*. she probably drowned
> herself
> > just to get rid of the company
>
>
> Is there any software that will ban posts as dumb
> as this as as soon as the "post message" button is
> pressed? Jesus Christ....


No, but there is some hardware that would take care of it. It's called .45 ACP.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: asdfd ()
Date: May 09, 2010 02:33PM

actdually t hat's pretty smart since nobody seemed to have an explanation, kinda funny how that works, ya know, jerk off and screw around until somebody gets hurt or obviously alot worse, has anybody ever gotten fired over or explained anything? but i guess they don't have to

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Kardinal ()
Date: May 09, 2010 11:26PM

asdfd Wrote:
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> actdually t hat's pretty smart since nobody seemed
> to have an explanation, kinda funny how that
> works, ya know, jerk off and screw around until
> somebody gets hurt or obviously alot worse, has
> anybody ever gotten fired over or explained
> anything? but i guess they don't have to

Maybe they did; you don't know. And if they did fire anyone, it's none of your damn business.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: FistaCuffs ()
Date: May 10, 2010 09:05AM

This death is probably vaginal-fisting related. That, or anal-fisting. Perhaps both. At once...


Hmm...

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Gonads & Strife ()
Date: May 10, 2010 09:13AM

Pump the brakes, Fista. You're going the way of Gornadi.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: FistaCuffs ()
Date: May 10, 2010 09:29AM

Alls I'ms sayins iss thatss fistss hass somethingss tos dos withs its

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: MMAMEA ()
Date: May 10, 2010 10:02PM

I have personally had to pull my own children up from underwater in the bathtub while I am sitting by the side of the tub bathing them. Any person with half a brain knows that even an adult can drown in very shallow water.

I belong to Lifetime Fitness in Fairfax and I agree that the lifeguards (very much like those in our community who don't speak enough English to say "Are You DROWNING?") are not going to save your children from drowning. I have pulled other people's children up from under water at public pools as well.

When my children go into the pool they wear their life jackets. PERIOD, or they don't go in. I have always gone in the pool with them and been right next to them. I happen to have a 6 year old and a 5 year old, both of whom think they are better swimmers than they are. I do not allow anyone else to take my children to the pool because I cannot be sure that they will watch my children like I do. For this very reason, I do not hire teenagers to babysit my children. I do background and reference checks. I, as the parent, am responsible for my children and if I have put them in someone else's care, I am still responsible for having made that decision.

Even when my kids are in the Child Care Center at LTF, I am watching what is going on. I am watching who they are playing with and checking in. I also watch to see who comes and goes into the Child care center. I'm sorry, but those are MY CHILDREN and I might be an overprotective, overbearing mother, but I know where my children are AT ALL TIMES!

I feel terrible for this father for exercising poor judgement and the consequences he has to live with. I also feel bad for the guards whose watch this happened on, but this tragedy clearly could have been avoided. The guards are more concerned with making sure that people take showers before getting in the pool than they are about the fact that there are WAY TOO MANY people in the pool at family swim times, or that there are children beating the shit out of each other with "noodles" around younger children. Again, though, it is the parents' responsibility to teach their children manners and respect, but that is a whole new topic...isn't it?

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Mick Jagger ()
Date: May 11, 2010 08:24AM

Five year olds can't swim in any meaningful way. Father leaves her in four feet of water. There was no other outcome.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Mick Jagger ()
Date: May 11, 2010 08:29AM

Hassad probably said, "Do as I say. Stay in the shallow section." That's probably what he's telling the police right now. It was her fault.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: blasphemy ()
Date: May 11, 2010 12:28PM

OF COURSE there minorities. the dad was probably wacking off with some other asain people in the sauna. oh well, somebody gets the 72 virgins early......

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Juxtaposition ()
Date: May 20, 2010 02:30PM

it's unreal, ya know, the opposite of "real", and I kinda figured as long as they're entertained and comfortable I'd hate to be the one to tell them they're not, because it makes it look like the problem is you, go figure that one?

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: niggers ()
Date: June 20, 2010 05:11PM

Go fuck yourself niggers.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Date: June 20, 2010 05:18PM

niggers Wrote:
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> Go fuck yourself niggers.


I take it this is the asshole Cary just banned.

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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Juxtaposition ()
Date: June 24, 2010 06:25PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> niggers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Go fuck yourself niggers.
>
>
> I take it this is the asshole Cary just banned.


not exactly ...but they're probably some of the most annoying motherfuckers on earth
hasn't this site been shut off yet? lol
keep up the good work cary =D
hear the word, revel the message

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Juxtaposition ()
Date: June 25, 2010 12:15PM

it's because their CEO has been too busy niggerdicking the united states for anyone to pay attention to anything serious and this guy could have settled for 10x the amount
it's truly sad but this guy's such a nigger

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Juxtaposition ()
Date: June 25, 2010 12:17PM

these people are so full of hate

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Gonads & Strife ()
Date: June 25, 2010 12:18PM

To all of the "regular unregistered" users..this is why you register your name:

Juxtaposition Wrote:
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> it's because their CEO has been too busy
> niggerdicking the united states for anyone to pay
> attention to anything serious and this guy could
> have settled for 10x the amount
> it's truly sad but this guy's such a nigger

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Neal Kluge ()
Date: November 09, 2011 06:38PM

This pool accomodates dozens and it is small. There is churning of water and splashing as many many kids keep playing heartily. It is difficult to spot that any one has gone under. (these are my observations from BEFORE the drowning)

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Tyrone ()
Date: November 10, 2011 12:23AM

Neal Kluge Wrote:
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> This pool accomodates dozens and it is small.
> There is churning of water and splashing as many
> many kids keep playing heartily. It is difficult
> to spot that any one has gone under. (these are my
> observations from BEFORE the drowning)


Good job posting in a dead thread. Find another hobby.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: LG ()
Date: June 06, 2013 09:06AM

Okay I get SO irritated when people complain saying "why are so many lifeguards teenagers blah blah". How many freaking adults apply for lifeguard jobs in the first place?!?! Oh yeah that's right none really. Because they don't consider it a real job. So stfu with that. Second, "concerned parent", you're an idiot. I HIGHLY doubt your drowning son was yelling out to the lifeguard. That's almost impossible for an active drowning victim to do.
I work at lifetime and I see on a DAILY basis these idiot "parents" bring their kids to the pool as if it's the daycare center. And none of the parents can read either, because we have 25/10 rule posters all over the place! I get so tired of people blaming lifeguards when someone drowns. Lifeguards aren't personal babysitters for your child, they're responsible for watching EVERYONE not only in the pool, but on the pool deck as well. Unless the lifeguard is being completely negligent, don't assume that your child is getting 100% personalized attention at the pool. ESPECIALLY when your child can't swim. YOU should be in the water keeping an eye on them.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: katiesmith ()
Date: June 06, 2013 01:06PM

It's not so much that they don't consider it a real job, but that the pay is too low to survive on in this area if you have a family. I talked to a lifeguard who said they work something close to 100 hours a week to make enough money. I agree though it is the parents job to parent though and lifeguards are not babysitters.


LG Wrote:
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> Okay I get SO irritated when people complain
> saying "why are so many lifeguards teenagers blah
> blah". How many freaking adults apply for
> lifeguard jobs in the first place?!?! Oh yeah
> that's right none really. Because they don't
> consider it a real job. So stfu with that. Second,
> "concerned parent", you're an idiot. I HIGHLY
> doubt your drowning son was yelling out to the
> lifeguard. That's almost impossible for an active
> drowning victim to do.
> I work at lifetime and I see on a DAILY basis
> these idiot "parents" bring their kids to the pool
> as if it's the daycare center. And none of the
> parents can read either, because we have 25/10
> rule posters all over the place! I get so tired of
> people blaming lifeguards when someone drowns.
> Lifeguards aren't personal babysitters for your
> child, they're responsible for watching EVERYONE
> not only in the pool, but on the pool deck as
> well. Unless the lifeguard is being completely
> negligent, don't assume that your child is getting
> 100% personalized attention at the pool.
> ESPECIALLY when your child can't swim. YOU should
> be in the water keeping an eye on them.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: kid's work ()
Date: June 06, 2013 04:30PM

katiesmith Wrote:
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> It's not so much that they don't consider it a
> real job, but that the pay is too low to survive
> on in this area if you have a family. I talked to
> a lifeguard who said they work something close to
> 100 hours a week to make enough money. I agree
> though it is the parents job to parent though and
> lifeguards are not babysitters.

Lifeguards are high school students and college kids. If you are doing it as an adult trying to support a family you are a moron. A 15 year old can be certified as a lifeguard and you can get a pool operators license at 16.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: tL796 ()
Date: June 06, 2013 04:44PM

Slate ran an article earlier this week about what drowning looks like. Apparently it is common for victims to slip silently under the water, physically unable to call out or signal. Most child drownings occur within a few feet of caretakers and other swimmers.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/family/2013/06/rescuing_drowning_children_how_to_know_when_someone_is_in_trouble_in_the.html

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Butthead ()
Date: June 06, 2013 11:59PM

When I saw this old thread resurrected - again - I was hoping someone was posting the LTF settlement amount.

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EVERY FUCKING PARENT NEEDS TO READ THIS LIKE TWO TIMES!!!
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: June 07, 2013 08:31AM

LG Wrote:
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> Okay I get SO irritated when people complain
> saying "why are so many lifeguards teenagers blah
> blah". How many freaking adults apply for
> lifeguard jobs in the first place?!?! Oh yeah
> that's right none really. Because they don't
> consider it a real job. So stfu with that. Second,
> "concerned parent", you're an idiot. I HIGHLY
> doubt your drowning son was yelling out to the
> lifeguard. That's almost impossible for an active
> drowning victim to do.
> I work at lifetime and I see on a DAILY basis
> these idiot "parents" bring their kids to the pool
> as if it's the daycare center. And none of the
> parents can read either, because we have 25/10
> rule posters all over the place! I get so tired of
> people blaming lifeguards when someone drowns.
> Lifeguards aren't personal babysitters for your
> child, they're responsible for watching EVERYONE
> not only in the pool, but on the pool deck as
> well. Unless the lifeguard is being completely
> negligent, don't assume that your child is getting
> 100% personalized attention at the pool.
> ESPECIALLY when your child can't swim. YOU should
> be in the water keeping an eye on them.


GREAT POST, LG

it's such a head-slapper when I see this happening. I mean, if there's only one place on the planet where you actually NEED to be a helicopter parent, you's think people would at least CONSIDER it to be the place where yr kid's lungs are not always being exposed to air, y'know?

p.s. same ppl complaining about lifeguards not paying so much attention will be the same ppl you see giving lifeguards bullshit when they get the whistle blown at them poolside

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Kathleen Sebilius ()
Date: June 07, 2013 09:20AM

Someone lives, someone dies.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Harlee Davison ()
Date: June 07, 2013 10:38AM

Update from this year Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://valawyersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/19/5-year-
> old-drowns-in-fitness-center-pool-in-centreville-1
> 750000-settlement/
>
> 5-year-old drowns in fitness center pool in
> Centreville - $1,750,000 Settlement
>
> By Virginia Lawyers Weekly
> Published: January 19, 2009
>
> This was a lawsuit for the wrongful death of Jana
> Hammad, a 5-year-old child from Clifton, who on
> Aug. 31, 2007, drowned in a swimming pool at the
> defendant’s Life Time Fitness Center in
> Centreville. Jana drowned at or around the time of
> a swim break for the leisure pool after neither of
> the defendant’s ...

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: BeenThere ()
Date: June 08, 2013 05:24PM

LIFEGUARDS ARE NOT FUCKING BABYSITTERS.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: idiots ()
Date: June 08, 2013 05:38PM

why are u losers commenting on a post that was started in 2007?

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Poop Man ()
Date: June 08, 2013 06:22PM

BeenThere Wrote:
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> LIFEGUARDS ARE NOT FUCKING BABYSITTERS.


LIFEGUARDS ARE FUCKING BABY SITTERS!


^^^THIS^^^

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: katiesmith ()
Date: June 09, 2013 07:27PM

They're not morans they are foreigners. Who do you think is going to be able to watch the soccer mom's in the hot tub/pool at 10am in the morning for minimum wage?


kid's work Wrote:
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> katiesmith Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's not so much that they don't consider it a
> > real job, but that the pay is too low to
> survive
> > on in this area if you have a family. I talked
> to
> > a lifeguard who said they work something close
> to
> > 100 hours a week to make enough money. I agree
> > though it is the parents job to parent though
> and
> > lifeguards are not babysitters.
>
> Lifeguards are high school students and college
> kids. If you are doing it as an adult trying to
> support a family you are a moron. A 15 year old
> can be certified as a lifeguard and you can get a
> pool operators license at 16.

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Nadia ()
Date: September 15, 2014 04:15AM

Parents and everyone, please be aware, people do not flail when they are drowning! Quite the opposite. A well-trained lifeguard will know that a drowning victim is NOT spotted by flailing, yelling, or showimg panic. The Instinctive Drowning Response does not allow someone to be able to wave, scream, or kick. Please learn about what drowning looks like if you are going to be taking your loved ones into the water. Otherwise they could drown 20-30 feet away from you without you even realizing that it is happening!

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Nadia ()
Date: September 15, 2014 04:22AM

PS:

Here's a good tip: When kids are playing in the water, they scream and make noise. If they are quiet, that is the time to IMMEDIATELY be concerned! You may have only about 30 seconds to rescue them!

Again, learn what drowning really looks like, not what you've seen on tv!

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: Lifeguards aren't babysitters ()
Date: September 15, 2014 07:02AM

Is the Lifetime pool haunted?

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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by: onyourown ()
Date: September 15, 2014 07:10AM

Folks, Lifetime guards do not follow standard practices and procedures. My kids are older now but it was obvious we were totally on our own at Lifetime pools. I watch my kids like a hawk and I notice the guards. Guards would talk to each other and staff while on duty. They did not use the elevated chairs provided and I know for a fact they could not see all areas of the pool.

Its a very important job and it requires 100% concentration. If you go to lifetime you are on your own.

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