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5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
cc
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Date: September 03, 2007 09:11PM
how awful... :(
"CENTREVILLE, Va. -- Fairfax County police identified the 5-year-old girl who drowned at a gym pool on Friday as Jana Hammad of Clifton.
Jana drowned at Life Time Fitness on Trinity Parkway just after 7 p.m. Friday, police said. Lifeguards had cleared the pool for a scheduled break. That's when the child's father realized his daughter was missing. She was found at the bottom of about 4 feet of water in the kiddie pool.
Lifeguards immediately started CPR, but the girl was pronounced dead about an hour later at Inova Fair Oaks Hospital."
http://www.nbc4.com/news/14026019/detail.html?subid=10101441
"CENTREVILLE, Va. -- Fairfax County police identified the 5-year-old girl who drowned at a gym pool on Friday as Jana Hammad of Clifton.
Jana drowned at Life Time Fitness on Trinity Parkway just after 7 p.m. Friday, police said. Lifeguards had cleared the pool for a scheduled break. That's when the child's father realized his daughter was missing. She was found at the bottom of about 4 feet of water in the kiddie pool.
Lifeguards immediately started CPR, but the girl was pronounced dead about an hour later at Inova Fair Oaks Hospital."
http://www.nbc4.com/news/14026019/detail.html?subid=10101441
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Zip
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Date: September 03, 2007 09:20PM
Thats just sad, I go to that gym. There is a window in the weight room overlooking the pool. I always thought it was cool that they put a slide in the indoor gym pool. On the other hand there is noone but bunch of teenagers that are lifeguards there. I guess their assumptin for easy job easy money got a hold of them. Very sad. Its just one of those things that just shouldnt have happen. Could have been easily prevented but then again electing President Bush could have been easily prevented....
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
MBF
()
Date: September 04, 2007 08:55AM
Update from the FCPD Public Information Office:
UPDATE: Drowning Victim Identified
Five-year-old Jana Hammad of Clifton was pronounced dead after being pulled from the pool at Life Time Fitness shortly after 7 p.m. on Friday, August 1. Preliminary autopsy reports indicate her death was due to drowning. No foul play is suspected.
Apparent Drowning Claims a Child’s Life
Fairfax County police detectives are investigating the death of a 5-year-old girl at a private pool in Centreville. Police were called to Life Time Fitness at 5900 Trinity Parkway at 7:08 p.m. Friday evening for a report of an apparent drowning.
Lifeguards cleared the pool at 7 p.m. for a scheduled break and that’s when the child’s father realized his daughter was missing. A search of the pool and building led to the discovery of the girl at the bottom of about four feet of water in the kiddies’ pool. Lifeguards immediately started CPR, but the child was pronounced dead at 8:06 p.m. at Inova Fair Oaks Hospital.
UPDATE: Drowning Victim Identified
Five-year-old Jana Hammad of Clifton was pronounced dead after being pulled from the pool at Life Time Fitness shortly after 7 p.m. on Friday, August 1. Preliminary autopsy reports indicate her death was due to drowning. No foul play is suspected.
Apparent Drowning Claims a Child’s Life
Fairfax County police detectives are investigating the death of a 5-year-old girl at a private pool in Centreville. Police were called to Life Time Fitness at 5900 Trinity Parkway at 7:08 p.m. Friday evening for a report of an apparent drowning.
Lifeguards cleared the pool at 7 p.m. for a scheduled break and that’s when the child’s father realized his daughter was missing. A search of the pool and building led to the discovery of the girl at the bottom of about four feet of water in the kiddies’ pool. Lifeguards immediately started CPR, but the child was pronounced dead at 8:06 p.m. at Inova Fair Oaks Hospital.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
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Date: September 04, 2007 10:39AM
This is tragic. However, as a parent of young children myself, I would never rely on a high school-age lifeguard to keep an eye out for my kid at a crowded pool. Not sure how a kid drowns in a kiddy pool unless the dad was off somewhere.
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Posted by:
inkahootz
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Date: September 04, 2007 11:08AM
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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Lester Burnham
()
Date: September 04, 2007 12:12PM
Both of my daughters have worked as lifeguards at LTF in Fairfax and often complained about parents who leave their young children unattended in the pool while they work out. Part of the reason for clearing the pool is to identify which children are there without a parent.
I am still amazed, however, that this type of tragedy continues to happen, especially considering how small the pool is and that the lifeguard's job at a facility like this is not too hard. They have at least two guards working when the slide is open, sometimes three. I would hate to be on staff in the coming weeks and months as LTF's corporate risk management and local operating teams put the pool staff under extra scrutiny. My daughters described this as a pretty intense environment, but there was clearly a breakdown over the weekend.
While no amount of money can make up for the accidental death of a child, this is going to result in huge damages payment to the family.
I am still amazed, however, that this type of tragedy continues to happen, especially considering how small the pool is and that the lifeguard's job at a facility like this is not too hard. They have at least two guards working when the slide is open, sometimes three. I would hate to be on staff in the coming weeks and months as LTF's corporate risk management and local operating teams put the pool staff under extra scrutiny. My daughters described this as a pretty intense environment, but there was clearly a breakdown over the weekend.
While no amount of money can make up for the accidental death of a child, this is going to result in huge damages payment to the family.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Concerned Parent
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Date: September 04, 2007 12:21PM
cc Wrote:
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> how awful... :(
>
> "C
> Jana drowned at Life Time Fitness on Trinity
> Parkway just after 7 p.m. Friday, police said.
> Lifeguards had cleared the pool for a scheduled
> break. That's when the child's father realized his
> daughter was missing. She was found at the bottom
> of about 4 feet of water in the kiddie pool.
>
> 4 foot kiddie pool? I thought the depth of kiddie pools were not more than 2 feet? How sad! God bless her and her family.
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> how awful... :(
>
> "C
> Jana drowned at Life Time Fitness on Trinity
> Parkway just after 7 p.m. Friday, police said.
> Lifeguards had cleared the pool for a scheduled
> break. That's when the child's father realized his
> daughter was missing. She was found at the bottom
> of about 4 feet of water in the kiddie pool.
>
> 4 foot kiddie pool? I thought the depth of kiddie pools were not more than 2 feet? How sad! God bless her and her family.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
pmn
()
Date: September 04, 2007 12:33PM
If I were on a jury with this matter, I wouldn't give the father a dime. The child is his responsibility!
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 04, 2007 12:40PM
Lester Burnham Wrote:
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> While no amount of money can make up for the
> accidental death of a child, this is going to
> result in huge damages payment to the family.
No way in hell the facility should be held accountable for this. The welfare of the child is the legal responsibility of the father, not the facility. The facility would have to demonstrate gross negligence, and I think that would be incredibly difficult for the family to prove given the fact the dad didn't even know where his kid was.
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> While no amount of money can make up for the
> accidental death of a child, this is going to
> result in huge damages payment to the family.
No way in hell the facility should be held accountable for this. The welfare of the child is the legal responsibility of the father, not the facility. The facility would have to demonstrate gross negligence, and I think that would be incredibly difficult for the family to prove given the fact the dad didn't even know where his kid was.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
stinkypoon
()
Date: September 04, 2007 02:44PM
Concerned Parent Wrote:
> 4 foot kiddie pool? I thought the depth of
> kiddie pools were not more than 2 feet? How sad!
> God bless her and her family.
It's not really a kiddie pool, like the ones you see that are only 6 inches deep. It's like the shallow end of Oak Marr, that goes from 0 to 4 feet all the way across.
> 4 foot kiddie pool? I thought the depth of
> kiddie pools were not more than 2 feet? How sad!
> God bless her and her family.
It's not really a kiddie pool, like the ones you see that are only 6 inches deep. It's like the shallow end of Oak Marr, that goes from 0 to 4 feet all the way across.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 04, 2007 02:49PM
stinkypoon Wrote:
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> Concerned Parent Wrote:
> > 4 foot kiddie pool? I thought the depth of
> > kiddie pools were not more than 2 feet? How
> sad!
> > God bless her and her family.
>
> It's not really a kiddie pool, like the ones you
> see that are only 6 inches deep. It's like the
> shallow end of Oak Marr, that goes from 0 to 4
> feet all the way across.
Sounds like it is more of a family pool than a kiddie pool. Makes you sick to your stomach either way.
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> Concerned Parent Wrote:
> > 4 foot kiddie pool? I thought the depth of
> > kiddie pools were not more than 2 feet? How
> sad!
> > God bless her and her family.
>
> It's not really a kiddie pool, like the ones you
> see that are only 6 inches deep. It's like the
> shallow end of Oak Marr, that goes from 0 to 4
> feet all the way across.
Sounds like it is more of a family pool than a kiddie pool. Makes you sick to your stomach either way.
Death Time Fitness
Posted by:
Henry Remarko
()
Date: September 04, 2007 04:06PM
I partly agree with Lester.
First, LTF should fire those incompetent lifeguards, and hire lifeguards who take their jobs more seriously... or else they should change their name to "Death Time Fitness", or "Drown Time Fitness".
Second, at the very least, they should be held at fault for not strictly enforcing the rule that children must be accompanied by an adult.
Because, as your daughter's have said, there are so many damn kids who are left unattended, scampering around like vermins throughout the entire facility as if it's a giant indoor playground. I will totally substantiate that it's the same at the C'ville LTF. I see parents dropping their kids off at the front and leaving, as if LTF is a daycare facility, and then when I'm on the basketball courts, a little 7 year old kid chases after a ball directly into my path on a fastbreak and I have to dive over the little snotball to keep from train wrecking his 3ft frame.
I was there once about a year ago when there were a bunch of cops because of an attempted kidnapping - apparently some strange lady tried to lure an unattended child into leaving the gym with her. Luckily, the kid was smart enough not to go, but still, where the fuck was the parent at the time? On the elliptical? To a kidnapper, LTF would be like a candy store.
LTF needs to clean up their act.
First, LTF should fire those incompetent lifeguards, and hire lifeguards who take their jobs more seriously... or else they should change their name to "Death Time Fitness", or "Drown Time Fitness".
Second, at the very least, they should be held at fault for not strictly enforcing the rule that children must be accompanied by an adult.
Because, as your daughter's have said, there are so many damn kids who are left unattended, scampering around like vermins throughout the entire facility as if it's a giant indoor playground. I will totally substantiate that it's the same at the C'ville LTF. I see parents dropping their kids off at the front and leaving, as if LTF is a daycare facility, and then when I'm on the basketball courts, a little 7 year old kid chases after a ball directly into my path on a fastbreak and I have to dive over the little snotball to keep from train wrecking his 3ft frame.
I was there once about a year ago when there were a bunch of cops because of an attempted kidnapping - apparently some strange lady tried to lure an unattended child into leaving the gym with her. Luckily, the kid was smart enough not to go, but still, where the fuck was the parent at the time? On the elliptical? To a kidnapper, LTF would be like a candy store.
LTF needs to clean up their act.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 04, 2007 05:00PM
I can't speak for LTF because I've never been there. But I can't fathom why anyone would leave their kid unattended at any public facility. Maybe I'm just overprotective, but if I am at some place full of strangers, I keep my kids in view all the time. If my kid was drowning, it wouldn't take the lifeguard clearing a pool to figure it out.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Lester Burnham
()
Date: September 04, 2007 05:18PM
Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
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> I can't speak for LTF because I've never been
> there. But I can't fathom why anyone would leave
> their kid unattended at any public facility. Maybe
> I'm just overprotective, but if I am at some place
> full of strangers, I keep my kids in view all the
> time. If my kid was drowning, it wouldn't take the
> lifeguard clearing a pool to figure it out.
This may sound harsh, but I think that a lot (most?) parents in this area are self-absorbed IDIOTS! Some of it comes from an attitude of entitlement, some of it is plain ignorance, some of it is stupidity and it does not matter if they are born in the USA WASPs, Hispanics, Asians or whatever ethnic group you choose to target. Clearly, the family had some extra disposable income or they would not be members of LTF.
At the end of the day, the ultimate responsibility for guest safety in the pools falls on the lifeguards and I really feel badly for the poor 17-year old who needs to have this on their conscience - I cannot imagine how my daughter's would react to this. Good luck finding better lifeguards - you simply aren't going to get #1 quality employees for $8.50 per hour plus a free gym membership. Knowing a lot of kids, including my own, who lifeguard at community pools in the summer and LTF the rest of the year, I think these kids are pretty good and someone just made an awful mistake.
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> I can't speak for LTF because I've never been
> there. But I can't fathom why anyone would leave
> their kid unattended at any public facility. Maybe
> I'm just overprotective, but if I am at some place
> full of strangers, I keep my kids in view all the
> time. If my kid was drowning, it wouldn't take the
> lifeguard clearing a pool to figure it out.
This may sound harsh, but I think that a lot (most?) parents in this area are self-absorbed IDIOTS! Some of it comes from an attitude of entitlement, some of it is plain ignorance, some of it is stupidity and it does not matter if they are born in the USA WASPs, Hispanics, Asians or whatever ethnic group you choose to target. Clearly, the family had some extra disposable income or they would not be members of LTF.
At the end of the day, the ultimate responsibility for guest safety in the pools falls on the lifeguards and I really feel badly for the poor 17-year old who needs to have this on their conscience - I cannot imagine how my daughter's would react to this. Good luck finding better lifeguards - you simply aren't going to get #1 quality employees for $8.50 per hour plus a free gym membership. Knowing a lot of kids, including my own, who lifeguard at community pools in the summer and LTF the rest of the year, I think these kids are pretty good and someone just made an awful mistake.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Nick
()
Date: September 05, 2007 01:02PM
I too belong to Lifetime and have 3 childrens swim there. I can't imagine how difficult it is to loss a child in this manner. It is tragic and my thoughts and prayers go out to the family.
cc Wrote:
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> how awful... :(
>
> "CENTREVILLE, Va. -- Fairfax County police
> identified the 5-year-old girl who drowned at a
> gym pool on Friday as Jana Hammad of Clifton.
>
> Jana drowned at Life Time Fitness on Trinity
> Parkway just after 7 p.m. Friday, police said.
> Lifeguards had cleared the pool for a scheduled
> break. That's when the child's father realized his
> daughter was missing. She was found at the bottom
> of about 4 feet of water in the kiddie pool.
>
> Lifeguards immediately started CPR, but the girl
> was pronounced dead about an hour later at Inova
> Fair Oaks Hospital."
>
> http://www.nbc4.com/news/14026019/detail.html?subi
> d=10101441
cc Wrote:
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> how awful... :(
>
> "CENTREVILLE, Va. -- Fairfax County police
> identified the 5-year-old girl who drowned at a
> gym pool on Friday as Jana Hammad of Clifton.
>
> Jana drowned at Life Time Fitness on Trinity
> Parkway just after 7 p.m. Friday, police said.
> Lifeguards had cleared the pool for a scheduled
> break. That's when the child's father realized his
> daughter was missing. She was found at the bottom
> of about 4 feet of water in the kiddie pool.
>
> Lifeguards immediately started CPR, but the girl
> was pronounced dead about an hour later at Inova
> Fair Oaks Hospital."
>
> http://www.nbc4.com/news/14026019/detail.html?subi
> d=10101441
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 05, 2007 01:29PM
"Her father realized she was missing when lifeguards cleared the pool for a scheduled break. They found her in the kids pool in about four feet of water, according to police."
I still don't get it.
I still don't get it.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
ferfux
()
Date: September 05, 2007 01:33PM
thanks for sharing this depressing story. ass.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Julio
()
Date: September 05, 2007 02:26PM
2 issues here:
1- Dad left his 5 year old alone. Unless the kid was in a structured class or organized daycare w/in the facility, I can't imagine leaving your 5 year old alone like that.
2- Regardless of Dad's actions, the Lifeguards failed that little girl.
1- Dad left his 5 year old alone. Unless the kid was in a structured class or organized daycare w/in the facility, I can't imagine leaving your 5 year old alone like that.
2- Regardless of Dad's actions, the Lifeguards failed that little girl.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
TRICKIE
()
Date: September 05, 2007 04:32PM
I had heard that dad was nearby only he was in the hot tub very near the pool where his daughter was playing. He was not working out in another area at the time.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
allivant
()
Date: September 05, 2007 04:50PM
this is terrible. i personally would watch my kids if i had them. there is a lot going on in that pool. i go there and i see lots of people there all the time. i can't imagine it going unnoticed.
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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 05, 2007 04:53PM
TRICKIE Wrote:
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> I had heard that dad was nearby only he was in the
> hot tub very near the pool where his daughter was
> playing. He was not working out in another area
> at the time.
I guess I shouldn't judge since I wasn't there. However, when my kid was 5 I would have been in the pool with him, not in a hot tub, even if it was nearby. If the kid was eight or nine and a good swimmer, that might be a different matter. Five? Nope.
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> I had heard that dad was nearby only he was in the
> hot tub very near the pool where his daughter was
> playing. He was not working out in another area
> at the time.
I guess I shouldn't judge since I wasn't there. However, when my kid was 5 I would have been in the pool with him, not in a hot tub, even if it was nearby. If the kid was eight or nine and a good swimmer, that might be a different matter. Five? Nope.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Concerned Parent
()
Date: September 05, 2007 10:24PM
Having been a member of LTF very briefly over the past year, I can speak to this issue first hand. I joined LTF for the sole purpose of having a place to bring my kids (ages 3 and 4) to swim and play in the winter. The pool was amazing and the kids had a blast. While I usually was in the pool with the boys, there was one day where I was sitting on the side watching them. I did have a suit on, but did not take off my cover up. In any case, as parents know can happen, in a brief minute I noticed my four year old had taken a step where the water drops off into the deeper area. I saw him flailing, yelled to the lifeguard (who was not even in a bathing suit) and the lifeguard turned to me, hesitated, and actually said "do you want me to go in after him"...of course by now I am running across to him with my clothes on. Needless to say, he was ok and got himself to the wall, but I was in AWE of the neglegent lifeguards. Who hesitates to save a kid in trouble? I brought the matter to the attention of management immediately and received some sort of acknowledgement about the episod... but unfortunately, this drowning did not come as a shock. Again, not sure of all the details (where was dad) but any way you cut it it is such a tragedy. Prayers are with that family.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
slinkeyts
()
Date: September 05, 2007 11:03PM
what a sad story
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
duh
()
Date: September 05, 2007 11:16PM
I'm sure Lifetime Fitness' bean counters have determined that paying damages for the rare drowning is much cheaper than paying for professional lifeguards every day....hence, the close-to-minimum wage, teenage imbeciles they call lifeguards.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 06, 2007 09:26AM
In reference to "Concerned Parent," it wouldn't even cross my mind to call for a lifeguard because my kid was flailing all because I didn't want to get my cover up wet. I guess we all see where your priorities are.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 06, 2007 09:31AM
Again, I am mystified by the attitude of people like "Concerned Parent." So you are telling me that paying a fee to go to a pool relinquishes any responsibility you have for the safety of your own child? Get in the damn pool and get your friggin' kid! God forbid you should have to put down your romance novel and get wet to save your kid's life!
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
What?
()
Date: September 06, 2007 10:01AM
Wow....you actually blame the death on the lifeguard that cleared the pool and announced that it was break time? What about the father that left another kid in charge of the 5yr old while he was in the hot tub...and then left the entire pool area? This is a time for grievance..not finger pointing. I'm sure all of them feel horrible (as they should), but it isn't your place to judge them. And what does any of this have to do with Bush? Wow
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Former LTF Employee
()
Date: September 06, 2007 10:05AM
i used to work at LTF and knew a lot about other departments and walking threw the building noticing a lot of things. Almost all of the lifeguards are teens and sit by the hot tub talking...ive always seen them not really pay attention..maybe they thought something like this couldn't happen or something. Parents ARE NOT allowed to leave their child unattended at the pool. Great gym but not great to their employees.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Amazed
()
Date: September 06, 2007 10:15AM
"Concerned Parent".....You don't even realize that you had the SAME reaction as the Lifeguard. The only difference is ...oh...it was YOUR child and YOU saw him "flailing." I just love the "not my fault" attitude that is so prevalent here in NOVA. It really amazes me that everyone is blaming the lifeguard that put everyone on BREAK. I'm not saying they are the best or the worst...but give the kid a break. Parents should watch their children at all times...unless, as someone mentioned earlier, it is a structured environment where the intent is to leave your child with a care provider.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 06, 2007 10:21AM
Any parent who expects a minimum wage-earning teenager to watch out for the safety of their own child is a moron. All lifeguards at these pools are slack-jawed 17-year-olds. If you expect them to be the safety net between your child and eternal slumber, you are truly clueless.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 06, 2007 10:29AM
What? Wrote:
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> Wow....you actually blame the death on the
> lifeguard that cleared the pool and announced that
> it was break time? What about the father that
> left another kid in charge of the 5yr old while he
> was in the hot tub...and then left the entire pool
> area?
Is that true?
I remember a few years back when that nutty Catholic family in Manassas with the 14 kids left the baby in their van and she died from heat stroke. The f-ing father blamed his teenaged daughter for it. What a f-ing tool.
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> Wow....you actually blame the death on the
> lifeguard that cleared the pool and announced that
> it was break time? What about the father that
> left another kid in charge of the 5yr old while he
> was in the hot tub...and then left the entire pool
> area?
Is that true?
I remember a few years back when that nutty Catholic family in Manassas with the 14 kids left the baby in their van and she died from heat stroke. The f-ing father blamed his teenaged daughter for it. What a f-ing tool.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Word of Mouth
()
Date: September 06, 2007 10:36AM
MF---er
I go to Lifetime and the story I heard is the father left the 5yr old under the supervision of an older sibling...12yr old...while he was in the hot tub. Apparently there is a video but only police, lifetime officials, and the parents will see that. Maybe a jury if they prosecute the father for negligence.
I go to Lifetime and the story I heard is the father left the 5yr old under the supervision of an older sibling...12yr old...while he was in the hot tub. Apparently there is a video but only police, lifetime officials, and the parents will see that. Maybe a jury if they prosecute the father for negligence.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 06, 2007 10:45AM
Word of Mouth Wrote:
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> MF---er
>
> I go to Lifetime and the story I heard is the
> father left the 5yr old under the supervision of
> an older sibling...12yr old...while he was in the
> hot tub. Apparently there is a video but only
> police, lifetime officials, and the parents will
> see that. Maybe a jury if they prosecute the
> father for negligence.
I don't think the father should be prosecuted. But if this were to turn out to be true, no way should the family sue Life Time Fitness.
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> MF---er
>
> I go to Lifetime and the story I heard is the
> father left the 5yr old under the supervision of
> an older sibling...12yr old...while he was in the
> hot tub. Apparently there is a video but only
> police, lifetime officials, and the parents will
> see that. Maybe a jury if they prosecute the
> father for negligence.
I don't think the father should be prosecuted. But if this were to turn out to be true, no way should the family sue Life Time Fitness.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
noname
()
Date: September 06, 2007 11:01AM
The father did not leave the pool area, this is fact.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Amazed
()
Date: September 06, 2007 11:03AM
"NO Name"....the father didn't go into the locker room?
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
noname
()
Date: September 06, 2007 11:18AM
No. He only went to the locker room AFTER asking the lifeguards about her, at which point they told him to look there.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Amazed
()
Date: September 06, 2007 11:28AM
noname Wrote:
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> No. He only went to the locker room AFTER asking
> the lifeguards about her, at which point they told
> him to look there.
Thanks for the info. Either way the situation sucks no matter how we look at it. It was preventable and never should have happened.
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> No. He only went to the locker room AFTER asking
> the lifeguards about her, at which point they told
> him to look there.
Thanks for the info. Either way the situation sucks no matter how we look at it. It was preventable and never should have happened.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 06, 2007 11:53AM
noname Wrote:
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> No. He only went to the locker room AFTER asking
> the lifeguards about her, at which point they told
> him to look there.
Hope he enjoyed his time in the hot tub.
Yes, it sucks being a parent and having to watch your kids all of the time. I imagine it sucks even more to have something like this happen.
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> No. He only went to the locker room AFTER asking
> the lifeguards about her, at which point they told
> him to look there.
Hope he enjoyed his time in the hot tub.
Yes, it sucks being a parent and having to watch your kids all of the time. I imagine it sucks even more to have something like this happen.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Tia2
()
Date: September 06, 2007 12:38PM
I don't have any children, but I do have nieces and nephews and NEVER take my eyes off of them in ANY public place!
When they are with me, they are MY RESPONSIBILITY and if anything bad should happen to them, it would be MY FAULT!
You "parents" out there may want to consider adopting the same philosophy of CHILD OWNERSHIP as you most likely do with your JOB OWNERSHIP! PRIORITIES!
When they are with me, they are MY RESPONSIBILITY and if anything bad should happen to them, it would be MY FAULT!
You "parents" out there may want to consider adopting the same philosophy of CHILD OWNERSHIP as you most likely do with your JOB OWNERSHIP! PRIORITIES!
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 06, 2007 12:59PM
I've noticed that this is a real problem in this country (not just this area). Parents who think someone else should watch their kid because they pay $5 to get in somewhere. These are the same folks who spend their time in back of Chuck E. Cheese yacking with other parents while their 4-year-old wanders around the place, confident that the 23-year-old non-English speaking Chuck E. Cheese worker at the front of the place with thwart potential kidnappers.
Get a clue, people. I don't care for Bill O'Reilly, but I do agree with his premise that nobody is watching out for you. They are not. It is YOUR job.
Get a clue, people. I don't care for Bill O'Reilly, but I do agree with his premise that nobody is watching out for you. They are not. It is YOUR job.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
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Tia2
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Date: September 06, 2007 01:08PM
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Date: September 06, 2007 01:14PM
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Tia2
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Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
dono
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Date: September 06, 2007 01:49PM
>
> This may sound harsh, but I think that a lot
> (most?) parents in this area are self-absorbed
> IDIOTS! Some of it comes from an attitude of
> entitlement, some of it is plain ignorance, some
> of it is stupidity and it does not matter if they
> are born in the USA WASPs, Hispanics, Asians or
> whatever ethnic group you choose to target.
> Clearly, the family had some extra disposable
> income or they would not be members of LTF.
>
> At the end of the day, the ultimate responsibility
> for guest safety in the pools falls on the
> lifeguards and I really feel badly for the poor
> 17-year old who needs to have this on their
> conscience - I cannot imagine how my daughter's
> would react to this. Good luck finding better
> lifeguards - you simply aren't going to get #1
> quality employees for $8.50 per hour plus a free
> gym membership. Knowing a lot of kids, including
> my own, who lifeguard at community pools in the
> summer and LTF the rest of the year, I think these
> kids are pretty good and someone just made an
> awful mistake.
We parents do our best every day. As any fulltime parent knows we make lots of mistakes every day. This was a Big mistake - no one will be punished more than the Dad. We are just all so blessed to live in such a safe environment;its even harder when the horrible does happen.
Every moment is a gift...
> This may sound harsh, but I think that a lot
> (most?) parents in this area are self-absorbed
> IDIOTS! Some of it comes from an attitude of
> entitlement, some of it is plain ignorance, some
> of it is stupidity and it does not matter if they
> are born in the USA WASPs, Hispanics, Asians or
> whatever ethnic group you choose to target.
> Clearly, the family had some extra disposable
> income or they would not be members of LTF.
>
> At the end of the day, the ultimate responsibility
> for guest safety in the pools falls on the
> lifeguards and I really feel badly for the poor
> 17-year old who needs to have this on their
> conscience - I cannot imagine how my daughter's
> would react to this. Good luck finding better
> lifeguards - you simply aren't going to get #1
> quality employees for $8.50 per hour plus a free
> gym membership. Knowing a lot of kids, including
> my own, who lifeguard at community pools in the
> summer and LTF the rest of the year, I think these
> kids are pretty good and someone just made an
> awful mistake.
We parents do our best every day. As any fulltime parent knows we make lots of mistakes every day. This was a Big mistake - no one will be punished more than the Dad. We are just all so blessed to live in such a safe environment;its even harder when the horrible does happen.
Every moment is a gift...
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
dono
()
Date: September 06, 2007 01:57PM
By the way, we have been members at the fairfax Lifetime Fitness for a year and a half. The life guards there do not sit in the elevated chairs. They generally stand by the door of the gaurd office and talk.
While they do enforce the general rules, they absolutely do not eyeball the pool as they should. I would say they are never really 100% focused on the pool. Accordingly I have never been more than 10 feet from my kids, and I try never to take my eyes off them. Unless there was some noise involved in a drowning, I would not expect the guards at Lifetime Fairfax to be of any immediate use.
While they do enforce the general rules, they absolutely do not eyeball the pool as they should. I would say they are never really 100% focused on the pool. Accordingly I have never been more than 10 feet from my kids, and I try never to take my eyes off them. Unless there was some noise involved in a drowning, I would not expect the guards at Lifetime Fairfax to be of any immediate use.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
centreville
()
Date: September 06, 2007 04:06PM
I just have to say thank you to the people who have defended the lifeguards on this webpage. I spend a lot of time at Lifetime Fitness especially in the aquatics area. I speak to the guards frequently and happen to know that they recently (before this incident) completely redid their policies so that the pool is more effectively watched at all times. To say that these students are "slack jawed" or "lazy" is disgusting as I'm sure that they work harder than many of the name callers. They are mechanics, cleaners, and lifesavers all at once and work very hard at what they do. Don't be so quick to judge. Just because someone is young does not mean that they are lazy. Also, to those of you claiming that "the dad never left" or "the dad did this," unless you were physically there, you don't have any idea what happened along with the rest of the community so don't go spreading things as if they were fact, only to ruin some poor high school kid's reputation and future. I also happen to have personally been at Lifetime on several occassions when lifeguards dove into the pool to make saves while a parent sat in the sauna or spa. I'm disgusted by the attitude of those who seem to think that their negligence is to blame and thank you again to those of you who defend them.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
nharbor
()
Date: September 06, 2007 04:39PM
i personally know the family, very close friends to my family,
what happened, was NOT that the dad didnt know where she was, i mean kids all the time sit by the lil shallow end, somehow, no ones sure how she ended up in the deep end, but yeah, break happened, the dad didnt thought the little girl was in the bathroom, so, the dad cant go in the womens bathroom, so by the time he got some lady to go in there looking for her, and by the time the lady came back, and he was walking back...HE found her in the pool...not the lifegaurd...HE jumped in and took her out...only thing the lifegaurd did was give CPR,
so i mean...w/e the people at lifetime i personaly know are putting their own lil twists to the story saying the father was "drinking" BULL FUCKING SHIT..i know the guy...has NEVER drank or smoked...so that rules that out...i mean ok maybe the dad did leave the lil girl unattended for a little bit, he was still in the pool area, but i mean...why are there lifegaurds?...they're suppose to be there when the parent doesnt catch something like that, thats why they sit on those high fucking chairs...
it was some high school junior that goes to Centreville High School.
the family is not going to sue, because hes not a man for money, you give him a billion dollars, not gonna bring his daughter back and hes not selffish where hes gonna say "MAN, that money is gonna make me FEEL better, and thats justice!" no...what I believe should happen is this...
lifetime and every other little local pool needs to train their lifegaurds even better..and they need to take their jobs seriously...whats done is done..now lets do something to prevent this from happening.
what happened, was NOT that the dad didnt know where she was, i mean kids all the time sit by the lil shallow end, somehow, no ones sure how she ended up in the deep end, but yeah, break happened, the dad didnt thought the little girl was in the bathroom, so, the dad cant go in the womens bathroom, so by the time he got some lady to go in there looking for her, and by the time the lady came back, and he was walking back...HE found her in the pool...not the lifegaurd...HE jumped in and took her out...only thing the lifegaurd did was give CPR,
so i mean...w/e the people at lifetime i personaly know are putting their own lil twists to the story saying the father was "drinking" BULL FUCKING SHIT..i know the guy...has NEVER drank or smoked...so that rules that out...i mean ok maybe the dad did leave the lil girl unattended for a little bit, he was still in the pool area, but i mean...why are there lifegaurds?...they're suppose to be there when the parent doesnt catch something like that, thats why they sit on those high fucking chairs...
it was some high school junior that goes to Centreville High School.
the family is not going to sue, because hes not a man for money, you give him a billion dollars, not gonna bring his daughter back and hes not selffish where hes gonna say "MAN, that money is gonna make me FEEL better, and thats justice!" no...what I believe should happen is this...
lifetime and every other little local pool needs to train their lifegaurds even better..and they need to take their jobs seriously...whats done is done..now lets do something to prevent this from happening.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 06, 2007 04:55PM
I don't disagree that the lifeguards probably should be trained better and more procedures probably need to be added. But let's be clear. The idea that the father was so disconnected from what his five-year-old kid was doing at a public pool that he wasn't sure if she was in the restroom tells you something about how closely he was watching her. He wasn't.
The lifeguards are there to help in emergencies. Their job is not to be parents.
The lifeguards are there to help in emergencies. Their job is not to be parents.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
nharbor
()
Date: September 06, 2007 04:56PM
some corrections to above...and "the dad thought* the little girl"
and
"where was the lifegaurds"
and another thing i forgot to mention..
yes, the dad put his 13 year old son in charge, not really like...shes your responsiblity...C YA!
more like..
im gonna sit right here...a few steps away from the pool IN THE POOL AREA...while you play with your little sister...
i was at the funeral, i heard directly from the dad...all you other peole who are adding your own twists and turns and bullshit...
w/e
nows not the time to be juding something you didnt see..and w/e, just have some sorrow for a little girl that died. and theres no point on putting blame on anyone.
and
"where was the lifegaurds"
and another thing i forgot to mention..
yes, the dad put his 13 year old son in charge, not really like...shes your responsiblity...C YA!
more like..
im gonna sit right here...a few steps away from the pool IN THE POOL AREA...while you play with your little sister...
i was at the funeral, i heard directly from the dad...all you other peole who are adding your own twists and turns and bullshit...
w/e
nows not the time to be juding something you didnt see..and w/e, just have some sorrow for a little girl that died. and theres no point on putting blame on anyone.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
nharbor
()
Date: September 06, 2007 04:59PM
ok yeah, he wasnt relying on the lifegaurds 100% to be his personal daycare, and second...if your a parent and your at a pool, sitting on those benches, reading your magazine...thats the same as someone sitting a few feet away from the pool, thinking a life gaurd will save someones life...
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 06, 2007 05:02PM
nharbor Wrote:
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> ok yeah, he wasnt relying on the lifegaurds 100%
> to be his personal daycare, and second...if your a
> parent and your at a pool, sitting on those
> benches, reading your magazine...thats the same as
> someone sitting a few feet away from the pool,
> thinking a life gaurd will save someones life...
I don't read magazines at the pool when my 5-year-old is in it. Get my drift? I watch my kid. I am in the pool. I am on the edge of the pool. I realize my child should not be left alone in 4-feet of water. I also know that a 13-year-old boy shouldn't be responsible for watching that 5-year-old. That is called being a responsible parent. Get it?
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> ok yeah, he wasnt relying on the lifegaurds 100%
> to be his personal daycare, and second...if your a
> parent and your at a pool, sitting on those
> benches, reading your magazine...thats the same as
> someone sitting a few feet away from the pool,
> thinking a life gaurd will save someones life...
I don't read magazines at the pool when my 5-year-old is in it. Get my drift? I watch my kid. I am in the pool. I am on the edge of the pool. I realize my child should not be left alone in 4-feet of water. I also know that a 13-year-old boy shouldn't be responsible for watching that 5-year-old. That is called being a responsible parent. Get it?
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
duh
()
Date: September 06, 2007 08:00PM
How come, in every thread about tragic deaths, several people show up to scold us for "judging people"?
Why the hell not? If you only want to hear eulogies...go to the memorial service and stay away from here!
Why the hell not? If you only want to hear eulogies...go to the memorial service and stay away from here!
Death Time Fitness
Posted by:
Henry r.
()
Date: September 06, 2007 09:10PM
I agree with judging/criticizing the employees at LTF, most of whom are teens. But more so, I blame LTF for their hiring decisions (hiring mostly teens).
All I ever see the employees do at LTF is chat and flirt with each other. I'd bet $39,104.20 that the "lifeguard" was doing just at the time.
All I ever see the employees do at LTF is chat and flirt with each other. I'd bet $39,104.20 that the "lifeguard" was doing just at the time.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Robert
()
Date: September 06, 2007 09:29PM
Thats very sad. Its also very ironic that she died in the "kiddie pool" Thats suppposed to be the safe area.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Susan
()
Date: September 06, 2007 09:35PM
I think we all agree it is a horrific situation to be in, as a parent and a private fitness club. Obviously it wouldn't have such a discussion if errors weren't identified on both parts. I am sure Lifetime is doing some type of damage control...and the family and father are grieving. These tragedies are preventable in most cases...no one was looking out for this little one and she drowned. I have had close calls with my kids and they have been swimming since toddler years....I've been in the pool with them and have rescued other kids that got caught up in the inexperience of handling themselves in water. Maybe it was her time...no one really knows...we know what we believe...pray for the family....their life is changed forever......forever is a long time without your lil' girl you love so much. Lifetime needs to change their policies...there are GOOD lifeguards out there and GOOD young kids that need training...and better managers to ensure the safety of ALL swimmers in the pool.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: September 07, 2007 04:51PM
yeah
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2007 03:06PM by KeepOnTruckin.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Angry Parent
()
Date: September 07, 2007 11:58PM
NHarbor,
Your response literally disgusts me. You weren't there and you can't take someone's word any more than we can take the lifeguards' words. Just because you know this man personally doesn't mean we should choose to believe what he says over the words of the professionals on duty. Also, I am very close with several employees at Lifetime and am quite sure that no one is circulating ANY sort of story about the father drinking so I'm not quite sure where you pulled THAT out of. Perhaps you're just trying to cause drama?
You clearly have never even been to Lifetime Fitness since you referenced the duties of the lifeguards as to babysit your children which is far from it. Also you discussed why the lifeguards sit in "those high chairs." The lifeguards at Lifetime stand and haven't sat in chairs in almost a year. Also, your allegations that the father was the one who found the daughter and pulled her out are just as heavily balanced by allegations that the lifeguard pulled her out which is much more likely considering the father was searching for his daughter in other areas of the gym.
Also, please get your facts straight. The lifeguard is not a Junior at Centreville High School and your poor knowledge and accuracy on this fact negatees and other certainties you seem to claim.
I'm disgusted by your need for drama and attention and by the fact that you associated yourself with someone you probably don't even know.
Your response literally disgusts me. You weren't there and you can't take someone's word any more than we can take the lifeguards' words. Just because you know this man personally doesn't mean we should choose to believe what he says over the words of the professionals on duty. Also, I am very close with several employees at Lifetime and am quite sure that no one is circulating ANY sort of story about the father drinking so I'm not quite sure where you pulled THAT out of. Perhaps you're just trying to cause drama?
You clearly have never even been to Lifetime Fitness since you referenced the duties of the lifeguards as to babysit your children which is far from it. Also you discussed why the lifeguards sit in "those high chairs." The lifeguards at Lifetime stand and haven't sat in chairs in almost a year. Also, your allegations that the father was the one who found the daughter and pulled her out are just as heavily balanced by allegations that the lifeguard pulled her out which is much more likely considering the father was searching for his daughter in other areas of the gym.
Also, please get your facts straight. The lifeguard is not a Junior at Centreville High School and your poor knowledge and accuracy on this fact negatees and other certainties you seem to claim.
I'm disgusted by your need for drama and attention and by the fact that you associated yourself with someone you probably don't even know.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
factoid
()
Date: September 08, 2007 12:04AM
Just a few response to what people have said:
I am thoroughly appauled that people continue to assume that just because lifeguards are young that they are lazy or inadequate. A drowning is not necessarily a sign of an inadequate lifeguard as anyone who has taken any sort of lifeguard training knows. The lifeguards at Lifetime are some of the best I have ever seen and are constantly vigilant. The fact that someone drowned there does not discredit them as employees and to assume that they are lazy because they are in high school is a vagrant disregard of the value of youth.
Any sort of parent who has no idea where his children are for a long enough period for them to drown and not be able to be revived clearly WAS relying on the lifeguards 100%.
The accusation that the lifeguards were flirting or playing around is ridiculous. When there are only two guards on duty, jobs are taken with extra care and the pool is watched vigilantly.
The term "kiddle pool" is highly misleading in the news and in this form. Lifetime does not have a "kiddie pool." Rather, they have a family pool that reaches four feet deep and is larger than most outdoor pools.
I am thoroughly appauled that people continue to assume that just because lifeguards are young that they are lazy or inadequate. A drowning is not necessarily a sign of an inadequate lifeguard as anyone who has taken any sort of lifeguard training knows. The lifeguards at Lifetime are some of the best I have ever seen and are constantly vigilant. The fact that someone drowned there does not discredit them as employees and to assume that they are lazy because they are in high school is a vagrant disregard of the value of youth.
Any sort of parent who has no idea where his children are for a long enough period for them to drown and not be able to be revived clearly WAS relying on the lifeguards 100%.
The accusation that the lifeguards were flirting or playing around is ridiculous. When there are only two guards on duty, jobs are taken with extra care and the pool is watched vigilantly.
The term "kiddle pool" is highly misleading in the news and in this form. Lifetime does not have a "kiddie pool." Rather, they have a family pool that reaches four feet deep and is larger than most outdoor pools.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: September 08, 2007 12:16AM
The lifeguards at Lifetime are some of the best I have ever seen and are constantly vigilant.
jobs are taken with extra care and the pool is watched vigilantly.
The fact that someone drowned there does not discredit them
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jobs are taken with extra care and the pool is watched vigilantly.
The fact that someone drowned there does not discredit them
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/08/2007 12:22AM by TheMeeper.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: September 08, 2007 10:43AM
I haven't been to Lifetime, but I have been to several fitness clubs in the area and it sounds like this "kiddie" pool is actually just the shallow end of the regular pool. Any kid can go into the deep end if they aren't supervised.
It is not the job of the lifeguards to supervise kids. They are there to rescue someone who is having problems. If the father had been watching his kid, he could have gotten the attention of the lifeguards when she started having problems. That would have been the proper process here, not expecting lifeguards to be omniscient and getting mad when you figure out after a tragedy that they aren't.
It is not the job of the lifeguards to supervise kids. They are there to rescue someone who is having problems. If the father had been watching his kid, he could have gotten the attention of the lifeguards when she started having problems. That would have been the proper process here, not expecting lifeguards to be omniscient and getting mad when you figure out after a tragedy that they aren't.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: September 08, 2007 11:00AM
Here's a more recent article on the whole thing. You can already see that both sides are starting to point fingers. The father said he wanted to sit in a chair that he moved closer to the pool, but the lifeguards said he couldn't. The aunt is wondering about "procedures." At the same time, the Life Time folks are saying it is the responsibility of parents to watch their kids and that kids under 12 shouldn't be in the pool without an adult...
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=86999&paper=62&cat=104
...I definitely anticipate a lawsuit coming out of this. It will be interesting to see what the cops determine from the tapes.
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=86999&paper=62&cat=104
...I definitely anticipate a lawsuit coming out of this. It will be interesting to see what the cops determine from the tapes.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
duh
()
Date: September 08, 2007 11:46AM
LTF will end up paying something in a settlement...but dad better not quit his job.
My buddy is in the insurance biz and tells me that, cold as it sounds, there are widely accepted "values" placed on different types of lives...and a young child is not "worth" a great deal of money. It would cost them a lot more if dad (presumably a "breadwinner") had drowned due to a finding of negligence on LTF's part.
My buddy is in the insurance biz and tells me that, cold as it sounds, there are widely accepted "values" placed on different types of lives...and a young child is not "worth" a great deal of money. It would cost them a lot more if dad (presumably a "breadwinner") had drowned due to a finding of negligence on LTF's part.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
FYI
()
Date: September 08, 2007 12:55PM
This is a wrongful death suit...discovery is already happening...there is a great deal of $$$ on the table and they usually have a longer period of time before the statute of limitations runs out due to the age of the victim.
Lifetime would be wise to settle rather than go in front of a jury.....sympathy for the family will win......as maybe it should......
Lifetime would be wise to settle rather than go in front of a jury.....sympathy for the family will win......as maybe it should......
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: September 08, 2007 01:12PM
I don't think Life Time should have to pay shit. Unfortunately, I'm sure their insurer will step in at some point and offer a settlement to keep this out of court. If it does, it will be another blow against personal responsibility in this country and another knotch in the belt of the "victim society" we are fostering in the U.S.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
LTF Member
()
Date: September 08, 2007 04:38PM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> I don't think Life Time should have to pay shit.
> Unfortunately, I'm sure their insurer will step in
> at some point and offer a settlement to keep this
> out of court. If it does, it will be another blow
> against personal responsibility in this country
> and another knotch in the belt of the "victim
> society" we are fostering in the U.S.
Your last line is so true. Actions have consequences. In this case, the apparent lack of vigilance by the father had very tragic consequences. But, how is that LTF's fault?
I have gone to this facility since the week it opened. I took four young kids there. We went swimming a lot. My wife and I always watched them until they were old enough to swim on their own. A five year old is small enough that someone who is watching the pool and not her can easily miss her.
My heart goes out to the family and to the lifeguards who probably feel like they should have seen her and saved her.
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> I don't think Life Time should have to pay shit.
> Unfortunately, I'm sure their insurer will step in
> at some point and offer a settlement to keep this
> out of court. If it does, it will be another blow
> against personal responsibility in this country
> and another knotch in the belt of the "victim
> society" we are fostering in the U.S.
Your last line is so true. Actions have consequences. In this case, the apparent lack of vigilance by the father had very tragic consequences. But, how is that LTF's fault?
I have gone to this facility since the week it opened. I took four young kids there. We went swimming a lot. My wife and I always watched them until they were old enough to swim on their own. A five year old is small enough that someone who is watching the pool and not her can easily miss her.
My heart goes out to the family and to the lifeguards who probably feel like they should have seen her and saved her.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: September 08, 2007 05:18PM
I don't think the father is a terrible person for this. I think he made a mistake. However, I don't believe others - the lifeguards and Life Time Fitness - should pay for that mistake.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: September 09, 2007 04:55AM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> I don't think the father is a terrible person for
> this. I think he made a mistake. However, I don't
> believe others - the lifeguards and Life Time
> Fitness - should pay for that mistake.
well... i would say that the one lifeguard should loose their job (im quite certain they did) as they didnt do the one thing they were there to do.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> I don't think the father is a terrible person for
> this. I think he made a mistake. However, I don't
> believe others - the lifeguards and Life Time
> Fitness - should pay for that mistake.
well... i would say that the one lifeguard should loose their job (im quite certain they did) as they didnt do the one thing they were there to do.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: September 09, 2007 11:56AM
Gravis Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't think the father is a terrible person
> for
> > this. I think he made a mistake. However, I
> don't
> > believe others - the lifeguards and Life Time
> > Fitness - should pay for that mistake.
>
> well... i would say that the one lifeguard should
> loose their job (im quite certain they did) as
> they didnt do the one thing they were there to do.
I'm not sure how you can say that. They cleared the pool. They gave CPR. The lifeguards aren't all-knowing, all-seeing. The expectation is that parents will watch their kids. Lifeguards are not babysitters.
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't think the father is a terrible person
> for
> > this. I think he made a mistake. However, I
> don't
> > believe others - the lifeguards and Life Time
> > Fitness - should pay for that mistake.
>
> well... i would say that the one lifeguard should
> loose their job (im quite certain they did) as
> they didnt do the one thing they were there to do.
I'm not sure how you can say that. They cleared the pool. They gave CPR. The lifeguards aren't all-knowing, all-seeing. The expectation is that parents will watch their kids. Lifeguards are not babysitters.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
-
()
Date: September 09, 2007 08:23PM
HENRY I AM THE LIFEGUARD THAT DID THE CPR ON THE GIRL. THERE IS MORE INFORMATION THEN HAS BEEN AVALIBLE TO BE DISCLOSED SO BOLD STATEMENTS ARE NOT A WISE THING TO SAY AND EVERYONE PLEASE STOP BLAMING THE FATHER. A CHILDS DEATH IS NOT ANYTHING ANYONE SHOULD CARRY IN LIFE AS GUILT. A NEWS PAPER CAN ONLY GIVE YOU SO MANY DETAILS AND THERE IS SOME THAT CLEAR MY MIND OF GUILT AND THAT WE CANNOT SPEAK OF. YOUR JOB AS CITIZENS AND NEIGHBORS RIGHT NOW IS TO MORN FOR THE FAMILY, NOT POINT FINGERS.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: September 09, 2007 09:05PM
- Wrote:
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> HENRY I AM THE LIFEGUARD THAT DID THE CPR ON THE
> GIRL. THERE IS MORE INFORMATION THEN HAS BEEN
> AVALIBLE TO BE DISCLOSED SO BOLD STATEMENTS ARE
> NOT A WISE THING TO SAY AND EVERYONE PLEASE STOP
> BLAMING THE FATHER. A CHILDS DEATH IS NOT ANYTHING
> ANYONE SHOULD CARRY IN LIFE AS GUILT. A NEWS PAPER
> CAN ONLY GIVE YOU SO MANY DETAILS AND THERE IS
> SOME THAT CLEAR MY MIND OF GUILT AND THAT WE
> CANNOT SPEAK OF. YOUR JOB AS CITIZENS AND
> NEIGHBORS RIGHT NOW IS TO MORN FOR THE FAMILY, NOT
> POINT FINGERS.
So you are really a friend of the father trying to pass yourself off as the lifeguard, correct?
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> HENRY I AM THE LIFEGUARD THAT DID THE CPR ON THE
> GIRL. THERE IS MORE INFORMATION THEN HAS BEEN
> AVALIBLE TO BE DISCLOSED SO BOLD STATEMENTS ARE
> NOT A WISE THING TO SAY AND EVERYONE PLEASE STOP
> BLAMING THE FATHER. A CHILDS DEATH IS NOT ANYTHING
> ANYONE SHOULD CARRY IN LIFE AS GUILT. A NEWS PAPER
> CAN ONLY GIVE YOU SO MANY DETAILS AND THERE IS
> SOME THAT CLEAR MY MIND OF GUILT AND THAT WE
> CANNOT SPEAK OF. YOUR JOB AS CITIZENS AND
> NEIGHBORS RIGHT NOW IS TO MORN FOR THE FAMILY, NOT
> POINT FINGERS.
So you are really a friend of the father trying to pass yourself off as the lifeguard, correct?
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Monica
()
Date: September 10, 2007 11:38AM
This is just a tragic accident, lets stop blaming the father or the lifeguard and pray for the family. It takes a blink of an eye for these things to occur, it doesnt make him a bad father.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Tee Butt Willi
()
Date: September 10, 2007 06:28PM
I have been at that pool when just one slide is operating - a current results that can carry kids from shallow water to deeper water where they can't touch bottom. I used to stand on the deep side of that current and catch my daughter is she floated toward me.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
-
()
Date: September 10, 2007 10:23PM
No I am one of the aquatics supervisors, the guard that performed CPR on the girl that day, an EMT in training and a senior at Centreville high school. You have no god given right to blame anyone and you don’t understand these types of situations because clearly u sit behind a computer screen and point fingers. ( what’s worse is that a 17 year old has to tell you this.)
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
-
()
Date: September 10, 2007 10:26PM
tee Butt Willi the side was not open
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Lester Burnham
()
Date: September 10, 2007 11:13PM
- Wrote:
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> No I am one of the aquatics supervisors, the guard
> that performed CPR on the girl that day, an EMT in
> training and a senior at Centreville high school.
> You have no god given right to blame anyone and
> you don’t understand these types of situations
> because clearly u sit behind a computer screen and
> point fingers. ( what’s worse is that a 17 year
> old has to tell you this.)
If you really are a guard at LTF, I am a bit surprised that club and/or corporate management did not politely ask (demand?) that you not discuss this matter in any non-official forum unless specifically authorized and approved by LTF. I am not a lawyer, but would assume that you are reasonably well-protected as a minor, but as a potential party to a negligence lawsuit you might want to simply go back to being a relatively anonymous teenager before your emotions cause you to create more problems. Your comments here, while interesting if true, will surely come back to haunt you if you are not careful.
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> No I am one of the aquatics supervisors, the guard
> that performed CPR on the girl that day, an EMT in
> training and a senior at Centreville high school.
> You have no god given right to blame anyone and
> you don’t understand these types of situations
> because clearly u sit behind a computer screen and
> point fingers. ( what’s worse is that a 17 year
> old has to tell you this.)
If you really are a guard at LTF, I am a bit surprised that club and/or corporate management did not politely ask (demand?) that you not discuss this matter in any non-official forum unless specifically authorized and approved by LTF. I am not a lawyer, but would assume that you are reasonably well-protected as a minor, but as a potential party to a negligence lawsuit you might want to simply go back to being a relatively anonymous teenager before your emotions cause you to create more problems. Your comments here, while interesting if true, will surely come back to haunt you if you are not careful.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
-
()
Date: September 10, 2007 11:43PM
Yes it is true i am not sopposed to dissucss the situation but i saw the accusations on this site. Also i am not disclosing details so in many senses i am not breaking any rules. All i ask is that the father is left alone and accusations stop.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Lester Burnham
()
Date: September 11, 2007 09:06AM
- Wrote:
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> Yes it is true i am not sopposed to dissucss the
> situation but i saw the accusations on this site.
> Also i am not disclosing details so in many senses
> i am not breaking any rules. All i ask is that the
> father is left alone and accusations stop.
Dude, you keep digging a deeper hole, now admitting that you know that what you are doing is wrong by disregarding a direct request from your employer. Sorry to sound harsh, but it is not your job to defend the father or anyone else in this case. You should feel free to come back when the trial is over and settlement reached to share as much as you want, but right now you probably want to focus on schoolwork.
Given your openness to discuss the incident, I would hate to be one of your friends who gets served with a summons to appear for a deposition and needs to hire a lawyer at $250 per hour. I know that it is a tough lesson to learn, but if I was your parent I would explain very directly that your seemingly innocent actions may result in a civil suit against the family and we can easily lose our house and other assets.
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> Yes it is true i am not sopposed to dissucss the
> situation but i saw the accusations on this site.
> Also i am not disclosing details so in many senses
> i am not breaking any rules. All i ask is that the
> father is left alone and accusations stop.
Dude, you keep digging a deeper hole, now admitting that you know that what you are doing is wrong by disregarding a direct request from your employer. Sorry to sound harsh, but it is not your job to defend the father or anyone else in this case. You should feel free to come back when the trial is over and settlement reached to share as much as you want, but right now you probably want to focus on schoolwork.
Given your openness to discuss the incident, I would hate to be one of your friends who gets served with a summons to appear for a deposition and needs to hire a lawyer at $250 per hour. I know that it is a tough lesson to learn, but if I was your parent I would explain very directly that your seemingly innocent actions may result in a civil suit against the family and we can easily lose our house and other assets.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
-
()
Date: September 11, 2007 03:45PM
Lester your comments are repulsive in the last page. I am a good lifeguard and there is no such thing as a professional lifeguard unless its an adult who did not attend college and is trying to name him or herself a profession. There was no mistake and you need to stop judging me. I can defend my self as long as i do not disclose infromation. Re-read my last post a few times if your still unclear about what is disclosing and what is not. CLEARLY I AM NOT DISCLOSING ANYTHING and it was a stupid idea to get involved into this site becasuse i should have known that some people were going to be ignorate such as yourself.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Lester Burnham
()
Date: September 11, 2007 04:19PM
Dude,
These are my quotes..."Both of my daughters have worked as lifeguards at LTF in Fairfax and often complained about parents who leave their young children unattended in the pool while they work out. Part of the reason for clearing the pool is to identify which children are there without a parent."..."Good luck finding better lifeguards - you simply aren't going to get #1 quality employees for $8.50 per hour plus a free gym membership. Knowing a lot of kids, including my own, who lifeguard at community pools in the summer and LTF the rest of the year, I think these kids are pretty good and someone just made an awful mistake."
Not sure what you found repulsive, but I think that I was being pretty supportive of lifeguards including those at LTF. While this may be considered an accidental drowning, proper scanning technique should prevent this from happening, don't you think? I was a long-time water safety instructor and provide risk assessment and management services to businesses including swimming pools.
Now, get over yourself and invest in a spellchecker (there is no such word as 'ignorate').
These are my quotes..."Both of my daughters have worked as lifeguards at LTF in Fairfax and often complained about parents who leave their young children unattended in the pool while they work out. Part of the reason for clearing the pool is to identify which children are there without a parent."..."Good luck finding better lifeguards - you simply aren't going to get #1 quality employees for $8.50 per hour plus a free gym membership. Knowing a lot of kids, including my own, who lifeguard at community pools in the summer and LTF the rest of the year, I think these kids are pretty good and someone just made an awful mistake."
Not sure what you found repulsive, but I think that I was being pretty supportive of lifeguards including those at LTF. While this may be considered an accidental drowning, proper scanning technique should prevent this from happening, don't you think? I was a long-time water safety instructor and provide risk assessment and management services to businesses including swimming pools.
Now, get over yourself and invest in a spellchecker (there is no such word as 'ignorate').
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 11, 2007 04:26PM
Lester-
If this guy truly is the lifeguard who did CPR on the girl, then the Fairfax Police know he is talking about this and who he is. He is not anonymous.
Just the fact that he alluded to the idea that the tape exonerates both the father and Life Time Fitness constitutes the sharing of evidence in an investigation.
However, if he is the lifeguard, he will be getting deposed regardless of what he says here, should there be a civil suit out of this thing. I imagine the lawyers from both sides will be asking him what he means by his comments on this blog.
If this guy truly is the lifeguard who did CPR on the girl, then the Fairfax Police know he is talking about this and who he is. He is not anonymous.
Just the fact that he alluded to the idea that the tape exonerates both the father and Life Time Fitness constitutes the sharing of evidence in an investigation.
However, if he is the lifeguard, he will be getting deposed regardless of what he says here, should there be a civil suit out of this thing. I imagine the lawyers from both sides will be asking him what he means by his comments on this blog.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
...
()
Date: September 11, 2007 04:29PM
i went to that lifetime that night and it just was weird and empty and i had a feeling something had happened...
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: September 11, 2007 05:41PM
Lol we still make fun of people for bad spelling? Lol Lester get a life.
The kid's got his ass covered. Instead of watching his, (you gay pervert!) watch yours.
The kid's got his ass covered. Instead of watching his, (you gay pervert!) watch yours.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
J Watts
()
Date: September 11, 2007 08:44PM
Hi.
I have been a member at LTF for about one year. A big reason we joined was for the family pool. We go frequently and I have NEVER EVER seen an attentive lifeguard. The guards work 15 minute shifts--you'd think that they could pay close attention for that time span.
I always go in the water with my 2 children and there is no substitute for a parent watching their own children. However, why do they even have lifeguards if not for a second set of eyes?
I wrote a complaint card to LTF a few months agon on this very issue. I asked for more attentive guards and mentioned that this is a risk for the club.
Nothing changed and I never heard from LTF on that comment.
It's very sad for the family.....
I have been a member at LTF for about one year. A big reason we joined was for the family pool. We go frequently and I have NEVER EVER seen an attentive lifeguard. The guards work 15 minute shifts--you'd think that they could pay close attention for that time span.
I always go in the water with my 2 children and there is no substitute for a parent watching their own children. However, why do they even have lifeguards if not for a second set of eyes?
I wrote a complaint card to LTF a few months agon on this very issue. I asked for more attentive guards and mentioned that this is a risk for the club.
Nothing changed and I never heard from LTF on that comment.
It's very sad for the family.....
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Gerrard
()
Date: September 11, 2007 09:31PM
I agree Jwatts. We should take justice into our own hands via mobb force and see the Lifeguards judged and punished before our own eyes, as we see fit.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Moron
()
Date: September 12, 2007 03:13PM
- Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> No I am one of the aquatics supervisors, the guard
> that performed CPR on the girl that day, an EMT in
> training and a senior at Centreville high school.
> You have no god given right to blame anyone and
> you don’t understand these types of situations
> because clearly u sit behind a computer screen and
> point fingers. ( what’s worse is that a 17 year
> old has to tell you this.)
LTF depends on minors to be supervisors???
-------------------------------------------------------
> No I am one of the aquatics supervisors, the guard
> that performed CPR on the girl that day, an EMT in
> training and a senior at Centreville high school.
> You have no god given right to blame anyone and
> you don’t understand these types of situations
> because clearly u sit behind a computer screen and
> point fingers. ( what’s worse is that a 17 year
> old has to tell you this.)
LTF depends on minors to be supervisors???
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 12, 2007 03:46PM
- Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> No I am one of the aquatics supervisors, the guard
> that performed CPR on the girl that day, an EMT in
> training and a senior at Centreville high school.
> You have no god given right to blame anyone and
> you don’t understand these types of situations
> because clearly u sit behind a computer screen and
> point fingers. ( what’s worse is that a 17 year
> old has to tell you this.)
Seems to me you don't understand these types of situations because you are a 17-year-old without kids who has never been deposed or sued.
If you are who you say you are, you sound like a good kid. Unfortunately you don't know how perfectly nice people can turn on you in a short amount of time given the circumstances. I hope the family doesn't sue Life Time Fitness. But if they do, you will get an upclose and ugly view of finger pointing.
-------------------------------------------------------
> No I am one of the aquatics supervisors, the guard
> that performed CPR on the girl that day, an EMT in
> training and a senior at Centreville high school.
> You have no god given right to blame anyone and
> you don’t understand these types of situations
> because clearly u sit behind a computer screen and
> point fingers. ( what’s worse is that a 17 year
> old has to tell you this.)
Seems to me you don't understand these types of situations because you are a 17-year-old without kids who has never been deposed or sued.
If you are who you say you are, you sound like a good kid. Unfortunately you don't know how perfectly nice people can turn on you in a short amount of time given the circumstances. I hope the family doesn't sue Life Time Fitness. But if they do, you will get an upclose and ugly view of finger pointing.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
dddddddddda
()
Date: September 12, 2007 06:57PM
Really sad
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
dddddddda
()
Date: September 12, 2007 06:58PM
THOSE LIFE TIME GUARDS SUCK
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
this guy
()
Date: September 13, 2007 12:54PM
Wow that was some very creative and very orginal imput da...
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
this guy
()
Date: September 13, 2007 12:58PM
What people in here that say that its bad judgment for LTF to hire teenagers to lifeguard, obivously haven't managed pools before. Has anyone in here worked as a lifeguard before? I used to I made 7.50 as a lifeguard when I first started. That is less than some people at Mc Donalds. You try to manage a pool with that small of a payroll and lets see what better options you come up with to hire someone older and experinced
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
CaneCorsoLover
()
Date: September 14, 2007 01:17PM
That Dad is a moron! I would NEVER, EVER leave my 5 year old alone near water - even a freakin puddle! That man is an idiot and will burn in hell for what he did
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
bridget
()
Date: September 14, 2007 05:16PM
ive been to lifetime plenty of times and the lifeguards there all SUCK. When i go to the lifetime cafe i see the ones off duty cursing and laughing while doing absolutely nothing while i try to eat my snack wrap.
The guards should have been on top of unattended children in the pool and how the hell do you not see a body in 4ft of water i would be right on top of that shit.
thoughts and prayers to the family
The guards should have been on top of unattended children in the pool and how the hell do you not see a body in 4ft of water i would be right on top of that shit.
thoughts and prayers to the family
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
this guy
()
Date: September 15, 2007 09:43AM
"When i go to the lifetime cafe i see the ones off duty cursing and laughing while doing absolutely nothing"
"i would be right on top of that shit."
Very nice choice of telling your side while cursing about the lifeguards cursing....
"i would be right on top of that shit."
Very nice choice of telling your side while cursing about the lifeguards cursing....
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
chim chang
()
Date: September 15, 2007 10:20AM
Why do people blame Bush For everything including this
'Could have been easily prevented but then again electing President Bush could have been easily prevented'
'Could have been easily prevented but then again electing President Bush could have been easily prevented'
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: September 15, 2007 10:26AM
That Hammad guy is a Muslim. If Bush was really concerned about Islamo-Facism, the guy would have been in GITMO and this never would have happened.
Is that a good reason why Bush is to blame?
Is that a good reason why Bush is to blame?
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
José Diego
()
Date: September 15, 2007 11:49AM
This event is very sad. Perhaps, the father rationalizes that it's 'Allah's will.' That's his decision and if it provides solace, that's fine. It certainly is disingenuous and Muslim-baiting to say that this man's religion was a factor and to blame the President of the United States. I guess that you can extrapolate to the son who murdered his father the other day, and with Middle-Eastern names assume that it was a "vengeance killing" caused by Mr. Bush. Enough is enough. Stop this needless, malevolent discourse--this ignorant talk is not warranted and is very hurtful to those directly involved.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: September 15, 2007 08:42PM
José Diego Wrote:
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> This event is very sad. Perhaps, the father
> rationalizes that it's 'Allah's will.' That's his
> decision and if it provides solace, that's fine.
> It certainly is disingenuous and Muslim-baiting to
> say that this man's religion was a factor and to
> blame the President of the United States. I guess
> that you can extrapolate to the son who murdered
> his father the other day, and with Middle-Eastern
> names assume that it was a "vengeance killing"
> caused by Mr. Bush. Enough is enough. Stop this
> needless, malevolent discourse--this ignorant talk
> is not warranted and is very hurtful to those
> directly involved.
It was a joke. You may be new to this discussion, but several posters have been joking about finding ways to blame Bush for this. I came up with an absurd reason to blame Bush. In fact, I am one of the handful of people on this site who regularly defend Muslims from ridiculous attacks. I guess I should have noted it was a joke in the original post.
-------------------------------------------------------
> This event is very sad. Perhaps, the father
> rationalizes that it's 'Allah's will.' That's his
> decision and if it provides solace, that's fine.
> It certainly is disingenuous and Muslim-baiting to
> say that this man's religion was a factor and to
> blame the President of the United States. I guess
> that you can extrapolate to the son who murdered
> his father the other day, and with Middle-Eastern
> names assume that it was a "vengeance killing"
> caused by Mr. Bush. Enough is enough. Stop this
> needless, malevolent discourse--this ignorant talk
> is not warranted and is very hurtful to those
> directly involved.
It was a joke. You may be new to this discussion, but several posters have been joking about finding ways to blame Bush for this. I came up with an absurd reason to blame Bush. In fact, I am one of the handful of people on this site who regularly defend Muslims from ridiculous attacks. I guess I should have noted it was a joke in the original post.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
lifeguard
()
Date: September 15, 2007 10:39PM
To those who have never been lifeguards before:
I have worked in this county as a lifeguard for going on 9 years now. I have worked in private pools, county RECenters, and Country Clubs. While SOME lifeguards are young and immature, what I have seen over the years is that for the most part, every single one of them when they get in that chair, do their job. However, there have been so many times where parents or older children babysitting younger children, say fuck it, and go do their own thing and use the lifeguard as a babysitter. While it is their job to ensure the safety of all those in the pool, they also need help from those responsible for the younger children. As hard as you try there will always be that one that you miss, unfortunately thats part of being human. I partially blame the father in this, but not having been there, I can't totally rule out that it was a freak accident. NO lifeguard ever wants to go through doing CPR, no matter how much you train for it. I've had to do it, and that was no fault of my own, kid had a diabetic seizure in the deep end(because his parents hadn't ensured he had eaten that day). Either way I will keep both the family and the lifeguards and their family in my prayers. It is a tragic loss
I have worked in this county as a lifeguard for going on 9 years now. I have worked in private pools, county RECenters, and Country Clubs. While SOME lifeguards are young and immature, what I have seen over the years is that for the most part, every single one of them when they get in that chair, do their job. However, there have been so many times where parents or older children babysitting younger children, say fuck it, and go do their own thing and use the lifeguard as a babysitter. While it is their job to ensure the safety of all those in the pool, they also need help from those responsible for the younger children. As hard as you try there will always be that one that you miss, unfortunately thats part of being human. I partially blame the father in this, but not having been there, I can't totally rule out that it was a freak accident. NO lifeguard ever wants to go through doing CPR, no matter how much you train for it. I've had to do it, and that was no fault of my own, kid had a diabetic seizure in the deep end(because his parents hadn't ensured he had eaten that day). Either way I will keep both the family and the lifeguards and their family in my prayers. It is a tragic loss
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
feli
()
Date: September 15, 2007 10:49PM
Is is true that victims vomit in your mouth when you blow air into their stomach?
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
lifeguard
()
Date: September 15, 2007 11:02PM
Feli,
First of all if you are dumb enough to believe that during CPR you blow air into their stomach then you are fucking retarded and have no clue about human anatomy. Air goes into lungs, not the stomach. Secondly, if you are a dumb shit and don't use the CPR masks, then yes you will get bodily fluid in your mouth. That is not vomit, it is the water that goes into the lungs as well as whatever fluids are in the trachaea and esophogus. Drowning occurs when someone inhales water or another fluid and they can no longer breathe. That is what comes up during CPR. Fucking morons, all of you.
First of all if you are dumb enough to believe that during CPR you blow air into their stomach then you are fucking retarded and have no clue about human anatomy. Air goes into lungs, not the stomach. Secondly, if you are a dumb shit and don't use the CPR masks, then yes you will get bodily fluid in your mouth. That is not vomit, it is the water that goes into the lungs as well as whatever fluids are in the trachaea and esophogus. Drowning occurs when someone inhales water or another fluid and they can no longer breathe. That is what comes up during CPR. Fucking morons, all of you.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Lester Burnham
()
Date: September 16, 2007 12:18AM
lifeguard Wrote:
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> That is not vomit, it
> is the water that goes into the lungs as well as
> whatever fluids are in the trachaea and esophogus.
> Drowning occurs when someone inhales water or
> another fluid and they can no longer breathe.
> That is what comes up during CPR. Fucking morons,
> all of you.
Ever hear of gastric distension? Even CPR performed well can cause air to enter the stomach if you do not have an effective head tilt. So trust me, it often is vomit (stomach contents) you encounter during CPR. You can use a mask and still come face to face with this, especially if you need to clear the patient's airway. This may, however, become a thing of the past with some new CPR techniques doing away with ventilations and focusing solely on chest compressions.
So, lifeguard, try to play nice and stop calling people morons when your response is not 100% spot on.
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> That is not vomit, it
> is the water that goes into the lungs as well as
> whatever fluids are in the trachaea and esophogus.
> Drowning occurs when someone inhales water or
> another fluid and they can no longer breathe.
> That is what comes up during CPR. Fucking morons,
> all of you.
Ever hear of gastric distension? Even CPR performed well can cause air to enter the stomach if you do not have an effective head tilt. So trust me, it often is vomit (stomach contents) you encounter during CPR. You can use a mask and still come face to face with this, especially if you need to clear the patient's airway. This may, however, become a thing of the past with some new CPR techniques doing away with ventilations and focusing solely on chest compressions.
So, lifeguard, try to play nice and stop calling people morons when your response is not 100% spot on.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
somebody1
()
Date: September 16, 2007 07:58AM
Lester Burnham Wrote:
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> lifeguard Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > That is not vomit, it
> > is the water that goes into the lungs as well
> as
> > whatever fluids are in the trachaea and
> esophogus.
> > Drowning occurs when someone inhales water or
> > another fluid and they can no longer breathe.
> > That is what comes up during CPR. Fucking
> morons,
> > all of you.
>
> Ever hear of gastric distension? Even CPR
> performed well can cause air to enter the stomach
> if you do not have an effective head tilt. So
> trust me, it often is vomit (stomach contents) you
> encounter during CPR. You can use a mask and
> still come face to face with this, especially if
> you need to clear the patient's airway. This may,
> however, become a thing of the past with some new
> CPR techniques doing away with ventilations and
> focusing solely on chest compressions.
>
> So, lifeguard, try to play nice and stop calling
> people morons when your response is not 100% spot
> on.
Exactly...even a person that is endotracheally intubated can get air into the stomach due to overzealous ventilations.....most times during CPR and rescue breathing, alot of force is being used secondary to the adrenalin rush of the caregiver(rescuer).
So, yes, very often vomiting is an issue, technique can prevent this but you should always be prepared for it.
People are not as much morons as they are ignorant when they ask legitimate questions..........angry comments are from morons........:)
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> lifeguard Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > That is not vomit, it
> > is the water that goes into the lungs as well
> as
> > whatever fluids are in the trachaea and
> esophogus.
> > Drowning occurs when someone inhales water or
> > another fluid and they can no longer breathe.
> > That is what comes up during CPR. Fucking
> morons,
> > all of you.
>
> Ever hear of gastric distension? Even CPR
> performed well can cause air to enter the stomach
> if you do not have an effective head tilt. So
> trust me, it often is vomit (stomach contents) you
> encounter during CPR. You can use a mask and
> still come face to face with this, especially if
> you need to clear the patient's airway. This may,
> however, become a thing of the past with some new
> CPR techniques doing away with ventilations and
> focusing solely on chest compressions.
>
> So, lifeguard, try to play nice and stop calling
> people morons when your response is not 100% spot
> on.
Exactly...even a person that is endotracheally intubated can get air into the stomach due to overzealous ventilations.....most times during CPR and rescue breathing, alot of force is being used secondary to the adrenalin rush of the caregiver(rescuer).
So, yes, very often vomiting is an issue, technique can prevent this but you should always be prepared for it.
People are not as much morons as they are ignorant when they ask legitimate questions..........angry comments are from morons........:)
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: September 16, 2007 02:08PM
This thread has devolved into debates about vomit, eh? I'm done here.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
nharbor
()
Date: September 16, 2007 03:23PM
you dont know the father...so how the heeck could you go and say he should burn in hell..?!? i saw the man yesterday at his store, and looked like hes been crying everyday since the tragic accident. no one is to blame as that lifeguard said.
if you dont know the man or the lifeguard you are in no position to be calling anyone a moron.
astfurallah.
if you dont know the man or the lifeguard you are in no position to be calling anyone a moron.
astfurallah.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Job Beams
()
Date: September 16, 2007 05:41PM
nharbor Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> you dont know the father...so how the heeck could
> you go and say he should burn in hell..?!? i saw
> the man yesterday at his store, and looked like
> hes been crying everyday since the tragic
> accident. no one is to blame as that lifeguard
> said.
>
>
> if you dont know the man or the lifeguard you are
> in no position to be calling anyone a moron.
>
> astfurallah.
Did you mean: ASTAGFURALLAH?
INNA LILLAHI WA INNA ILAYHI RAJIUN-INSHALLAH-
-------------------------------------------------------
> you dont know the father...so how the heeck could
> you go and say he should burn in hell..?!? i saw
> the man yesterday at his store, and looked like
> hes been crying everyday since the tragic
> accident. no one is to blame as that lifeguard
> said.
>
>
> if you dont know the man or the lifeguard you are
> in no position to be calling anyone a moron.
>
> astfurallah.
Did you mean: ASTAGFURALLAH?
INNA LILLAHI WA INNA ILAYHI RAJIUN-INSHALLAH-
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
slinkeyts
()
Date: September 16, 2007 05:48PM
what are you talking about
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
nharbor
()
Date: September 19, 2007 04:58PM
yes, that is what i ment,
and to add a lil more to whati was saying, the girls death was in the hands of God. No one is to blame, everything in this life COULD of been avoided. but everythings in the Gods hands, lets not blame a father who knows he was at fault and keep damning him.
and to add a lil more to whati was saying, the girls death was in the hands of God. No one is to blame, everything in this life COULD of been avoided. but everythings in the Gods hands, lets not blame a father who knows he was at fault and keep damning him.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
cburns
()
Date: September 20, 2007 10:53AM
It only takes a split second for one to injest water and then they are out. If a parent takes their eyes off of a child the child is at risk. Lifeguards can't keep their eyes on every single child in the pool all at once. Parents need to keep their eye's on their children. I personally had a close call, I turned my back to swim to the middle of the pool to speak to one of my other children while my 5 year old was told to stay at the edge. He thought he was strong enough to swim to me and wasn't. He went under,lucky for us someone saw him and grabed him. It happend so fast. I was only a few feet away. He is twelve today and a very strong swimmer, but we all keep an eye on each other. Water is fun but needs to be respected. This is just a tragic accident. No ones fault.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
FormerLFTEmployee
()
Date: September 20, 2007 10:58AM
Having worked at LFT for 3 yrs, I can say for a fact that half of their employees are completely incompetent and they could careless. There was turned in a lifeguard for leaving the pool to go make out with an employee from a different Dept. Hell you could see them holding each other through the door and nothing was done! GM doesn't care about what's going on there...he's to busy banging the Spa Dept Head. The child care is always under staffed with mostly people who want to sit around and do nothing, but hey what do they expect; they're only being paid $7-$7.50 an hour to watch up to 100 kids at a time.
Granted the father should hold some responsiblity in what happened to that poor kid but if these "lifeguards" were worried about what was going on in the pool rather than watching the clock until their shift was up it may not have happened.
Granted the father should hold some responsiblity in what happened to that poor kid but if these "lifeguards" were worried about what was going on in the pool rather than watching the clock until their shift was up it may not have happened.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
FormerLFTEmployee
()
Date: September 20, 2007 11:00AM
I should add that this is in IL not in the club where the drowing accured.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Kelsea
()
Date: September 20, 2007 01:12PM
At every pool there is a rule that "every child must be watched by their parent or guardian" but if every pool abided by that rule, then when do the lifeguards jobs come in? do they really think their job is just to sit there, look pretty and get paid bank for doing nothing? Because that's what many guards make it seem like, relaxing in the chair like their job is not important at all. It would be different if the rule stated that every child under 5 must be kept in arms reach of the parent or guardian, but that wasn't the case at this pool. As a lifeguard the patrons in your pool every day are your responsibility. When a guard certifies to work at a pool, they are told that the patrons always come first and every child and/or adult swimming in the area that you are suppose to be watching, are your responsibility. I am unaware of the company that certifies Life Time's guards, but i do know that Ellis, which i believe is the best association out there, teaches all their guards to always scan the water, never take your eyes off of it and to get up and walk around your area (still watching the water) to check for blindspots and to make sure that there is not a lifeless child laying at the bottom of the pool that you couldn't see from where your sitting because there were too many children and adults in the pool.(which is not an excuse) A guard can't see EVERYTHING from sitting in one position and the blindspots are the still the guards responsiblity to check. What makes this sad situation even worse is that the guard and/or guards on duty didn't even see the child laying at the bottom of the pool when EVERYONE was CLEARED out of the water, obviously someone was worrying about their break rather than about somebody's life which is truly horrible and disappointing. Being a lifeguard is a huge responsibility, and when heading into work every day they should always remind themselves of how much an important job they have and the fact that everyone that comes to their pool that day they are in charge of, parent or guardian present or not. If every pool followed by the "you must swim with a parent or guardian" rule then there would be no such thing as a lifeguard because no one would be drowning right? Of course no parent wants to leave their child alone or with another sibling, but no matter who is around, the guard still SHOULD be scanning their water and checking their blind spots, even if everyone is cleared out of the water, people present or not. Also, its obvious that the pool needs to do a better job at training their lifeguards during inservice which is required for ALL guards to do and the guards need to focus on MUCH more than watching the clock for break.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Kelsea
()
Date: September 20, 2007 01:17PM
oh and commenting to one response. of course every lifeguard can't watch EVERY child in the pool but you have 10 seconds to see the lifeless or wailing child and 20 seconds to get to them and save them... that's why every lifeguard should follow the rule that you MUST scan your water every second your sitting there by always keeping your head moving around your water area. and no matter what age you are, someone should always keep an eye on you while swiming, its more likely someone will die in a house with a pool rather than a house that contains a gun.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 20, 2007 02:44PM
It is foolish for any parent to rely on a high school student to look out for the safety of their child at a pool. People want to bash the lifeguards for not being attentive enough. Well, if I brought my kid to a pool and saw the lifeguards doing some of the things you folks are accusing them of, I would not let me kid out of my site. And yes, it IS the responsibility of the parent - first and foremost - to keep an eye out on their kid. Not the lifeguard. The lifeguard is a safety net, not a parent.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: September 20, 2007 03:50PM
Why are we blaming dad of lifeguards? Obviously its the girls fault, she didnt get out of the pool when break was called. If she would have gotten out of the pool, she couldnt have drownded.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Kelsea
()
Date: September 20, 2007 04:43PM
first of all your ignorant and that was rude.. are you really talkin shit about a 5 year old.. YOU DONT EVEN KNOW and drownded.. good english!
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
bdimag
()
Date: September 20, 2007 04:49PM
good punctuation and spelling...
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
DB
()
Date: September 21, 2007 11:41AM
DI am an investigator in Fairfax and would like to speak with you. Please call me at 703.330.4480.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
DB
()
Date: September 21, 2007 11:51AM
I am an investigator in Fairfax and would like to speak with you. Please call me at 703.330.4480.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
DB
()
Date: September 21, 2007 02:06PM
FormerLFTEmployee Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Having worked at LFT for 3 yrs, I can say for a
> fact that half of their employees are completely
> incompetent and they could careless. There was
> turned in a lifeguard for leaving the pool to go
> make out with an employee from a different Dept.
> Hell you could see them holding each other through
> the door and nothing was done! GM doesn't care
> about what's going on there...he's to busy banging
> the Spa Dept Head. The child care is always under
> staffed with mostly people who want to sit around
> and do nothing, but hey what do they expect;
> they're only being paid $7-$7.50 an hour to watch
> up to 100 kids at a time.
>
> Granted the father should hold some responsiblity
> in what happened to that poor kid but if these
> "lifeguards" were worried about what was going on
> in the pool rather than watching the clock until
> their shift was up it may not have happened.
I am an investigator in Fairfax and would like to speak with you. Please call me at 703.330.4480.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Having worked at LFT for 3 yrs, I can say for a
> fact that half of their employees are completely
> incompetent and they could careless. There was
> turned in a lifeguard for leaving the pool to go
> make out with an employee from a different Dept.
> Hell you could see them holding each other through
> the door and nothing was done! GM doesn't care
> about what's going on there...he's to busy banging
> the Spa Dept Head. The child care is always under
> staffed with mostly people who want to sit around
> and do nothing, but hey what do they expect;
> they're only being paid $7-$7.50 an hour to watch
> up to 100 kids at a time.
>
> Granted the father should hold some responsiblity
> in what happened to that poor kid but if these
> "lifeguards" were worried about what was going on
> in the pool rather than watching the clock until
> their shift was up it may not have happened.
I am an investigator in Fairfax and would like to speak with you. Please call me at 703.330.4480.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
DB
()
Date: September 21, 2007 02:09PM
Angry Parent Wrote:
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> NHarbor,
>
> Your response literally disgusts me. You weren't
> there and you can't take someone's word any more
> than we can take the lifeguards' words. Just
> because you know this man personally doesn't mean
> we should choose to believe what he says over the
> words of the professionals on duty. Also, I am
> very close with several employees at Lifetime and
> am quite sure that no one is circulating ANY sort
> of story about the father drinking so I'm not
> quite sure where you pulled THAT out of. Perhaps
> you're just trying to cause drama?
>
> You clearly have never even been to Lifetime
> Fitness since you referenced the duties of the
> lifeguards as to babysit your children which is
> far from it. Also you discussed why the
> lifeguards sit in "those high chairs." The
> lifeguards at Lifetime stand and haven't sat in
> chairs in almost a year. Also, your allegations
> that the father was the one who found the daughter
> and pulled her out are just as heavily balanced by
> allegations that the lifeguard pulled her out
> which is much more likely considering the father
> was searching for his daughter in other areas of
> the gym.
>
> Also, please get your facts straight. The
> lifeguard is not a Junior at Centreville High
> School and your poor knowledge and accuracy on
> this fact negatees and other certainties you seem
> to claim.
>
> I'm disgusted by your need for drama and attention
> and by the fact that you associated yourself with
> someone you probably don't even know.
I am an investigator in Fairfax and would like to speak with you. Please call 703.330.4480.
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> NHarbor,
>
> Your response literally disgusts me. You weren't
> there and you can't take someone's word any more
> than we can take the lifeguards' words. Just
> because you know this man personally doesn't mean
> we should choose to believe what he says over the
> words of the professionals on duty. Also, I am
> very close with several employees at Lifetime and
> am quite sure that no one is circulating ANY sort
> of story about the father drinking so I'm not
> quite sure where you pulled THAT out of. Perhaps
> you're just trying to cause drama?
>
> You clearly have never even been to Lifetime
> Fitness since you referenced the duties of the
> lifeguards as to babysit your children which is
> far from it. Also you discussed why the
> lifeguards sit in "those high chairs." The
> lifeguards at Lifetime stand and haven't sat in
> chairs in almost a year. Also, your allegations
> that the father was the one who found the daughter
> and pulled her out are just as heavily balanced by
> allegations that the lifeguard pulled her out
> which is much more likely considering the father
> was searching for his daughter in other areas of
> the gym.
>
> Also, please get your facts straight. The
> lifeguard is not a Junior at Centreville High
> School and your poor knowledge and accuracy on
> this fact negatees and other certainties you seem
> to claim.
>
> I'm disgusted by your need for drama and attention
> and by the fact that you associated yourself with
> someone you probably don't even know.
I am an investigator in Fairfax and would like to speak with you. Please call 703.330.4480.
Re: Death Time Fitness
Posted by:
DB
()
Date: September 21, 2007 02:18PM
Henry Remarko Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I partly agree with Lester.
>
> First, LTF should fire those incompetent
> lifeguards, and hire lifeguards who take their
> jobs more seriously... or else they should change
> their name to "Death Time Fitness", or "Drown Time
> Fitness".
>
> Second, at the very least, they should be held at
> fault for not strictly enforcing the rule that
> children must be accompanied by an adult.
>
> Because, as your daughter's have said, there are
> so many damn kids who are left unattended,
> scampering around like vermins throughout the
> entire facility as if it's a giant indoor
> playground. I will totally substantiate that it's
> the same at the C'ville LTF. I see parents
> dropping their kids off at the front and leaving,
> as if LTF is a daycare facility, and then when I'm
> on the basketball courts, a little 7 year old kid
> chases after a ball directly into my path on a
> fastbreak and I have to dive over the little
> snotball to keep from train wrecking his 3ft
> frame.
>
> I was there once about a year ago when there were
> a bunch of cops because of an attempted kidnapping
> - apparently some strange lady tried to lure an
> unattended child into leaving the gym with her.
> Luckily, the kid was smart enough not to go, but
> still, where the fuck was the parent at the time?
> On the elliptical? To a kidnapper, LTF would be
> like a candy store.
>
> LTF needs to clean up their act.
I am an investigator in Fairfax and would like to speak with you. Please call 703.330.4480.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I partly agree with Lester.
>
> First, LTF should fire those incompetent
> lifeguards, and hire lifeguards who take their
> jobs more seriously... or else they should change
> their name to "Death Time Fitness", or "Drown Time
> Fitness".
>
> Second, at the very least, they should be held at
> fault for not strictly enforcing the rule that
> children must be accompanied by an adult.
>
> Because, as your daughter's have said, there are
> so many damn kids who are left unattended,
> scampering around like vermins throughout the
> entire facility as if it's a giant indoor
> playground. I will totally substantiate that it's
> the same at the C'ville LTF. I see parents
> dropping their kids off at the front and leaving,
> as if LTF is a daycare facility, and then when I'm
> on the basketball courts, a little 7 year old kid
> chases after a ball directly into my path on a
> fastbreak and I have to dive over the little
> snotball to keep from train wrecking his 3ft
> frame.
>
> I was there once about a year ago when there were
> a bunch of cops because of an attempted kidnapping
> - apparently some strange lady tried to lure an
> unattended child into leaving the gym with her.
> Luckily, the kid was smart enough not to go, but
> still, where the fuck was the parent at the time?
> On the elliptical? To a kidnapper, LTF would be
> like a candy store.
>
> LTF needs to clean up their act.
I am an investigator in Fairfax and would like to speak with you. Please call 703.330.4480.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: September 21, 2007 05:01PM
Kelsea Wrote:
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> first of all your ignorant and that was rude.. are
> you really talkin shit about a 5 year old.. YOU
> DONT EVEN KNOW and drownded.. good english!
I was kidding. Hence the poor spelling/grammar, etc. You're right I don't know anything about the whole deal except what is in the paper.
-------------------------------------------------------
> first of all your ignorant and that was rude.. are
> you really talkin shit about a 5 year old.. YOU
> DONT EVEN KNOW and drownded.. good english!
I was kidding. Hence the poor spelling/grammar, etc. You're right I don't know anything about the whole deal except what is in the paper.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
FormerLFTEmployee
()
Date: September 21, 2007 07:25PM
DB Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> FormerLFTEmployee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Having worked at LFT for 3 yrs, I can say for a
> > fact that half of their employees are
> completely
> > incompetent and they could careless. There was
> > turned in a lifeguard for leaving the pool to
> go
> > make out with an employee from a different
> Dept.
> > Hell you could see them holding each other
> through
> > the door and nothing was done! GM doesn't care
> > about what's going on there...he's to busy
> banging
> > the Spa Dept Head. The child care is always
> under
> > staffed with mostly people who want to sit
> around
> > and do nothing, but hey what do they expect;
> > they're only being paid $7-$7.50 an hour to
> watch
> > up to 100 kids at a time.
> >
> > Granted the father should hold some
> responsiblity
> > in what happened to that poor kid but if these
> > "lifeguards" were worried about what was going
> on
> > in the pool rather than watching the clock
> until
> > their shift was up it may not have happened.
>
>
>
>
> I am an investigator in Fairfax and would like to
> speak with you. Please call me at 703.330.4480.
As 2nd post said this incident happened in IL NOT in VA so I cannot give any information about the employees that were working when the drowning occured.
-------------------------------------------------------
> FormerLFTEmployee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Having worked at LFT for 3 yrs, I can say for a
> > fact that half of their employees are
> completely
> > incompetent and they could careless. There was
> > turned in a lifeguard for leaving the pool to
> go
> > make out with an employee from a different
> Dept.
> > Hell you could see them holding each other
> through
> > the door and nothing was done! GM doesn't care
> > about what's going on there...he's to busy
> banging
> > the Spa Dept Head. The child care is always
> under
> > staffed with mostly people who want to sit
> around
> > and do nothing, but hey what do they expect;
> > they're only being paid $7-$7.50 an hour to
> watch
> > up to 100 kids at a time.
> >
> > Granted the father should hold some
> responsiblity
> > in what happened to that poor kid but if these
> > "lifeguards" were worried about what was going
> on
> > in the pool rather than watching the clock
> until
> > their shift was up it may not have happened.
>
>
>
>
> I am an investigator in Fairfax and would like to
> speak with you. Please call me at 703.330.4480.
As 2nd post said this incident happened in IL NOT in VA so I cannot give any information about the employees that were working when the drowning occured.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Mr. J. R. Kid
()
Date: September 23, 2007 12:33PM
This has been a concern of mine at Lifetime since I joined in Y2k and even more so as I've remained a member over the years, a serious lack of security, and not necessarily in and around the pool level. It has been said that Lifetime seriously needs to clean up their act and it's true because every day I go up there I worry I might hit a little kid in the parking lot, but their overall focus as an organization providing an overall healthy way of life state is based primarily on providing a zero level pressure environment for its members, where they feel free to enjoy the atmosphere, energy level, amenities, and services they offer, but this does not include teaching parents how to raise their kids, protect them, or keep them safe. This travesty, is horrific and makes me sick, It could have been easily avoided by parents choosing to be parents and not the dreamers that the atmosphere generates. Finite decisions should be left to a minimal because leaving your family alone at all times or at all is where this leads. My condolences to the parent, because I would probably feel I should never eat or drink again, and I firmly believe that Lifetime should choose to focus on the feelings of what it means to be a family and I’m genuinely sorry if this post upsets anyone, but it’s not surprising, but it’s not anyone’s fault, but I suggest Lifetime uses this sickness to grow better as an organization. Lifetime needs to promote the energy to protect your family, and not the other that someone previously posted.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: September 23, 2007 12:47PM
Mr. J. R. Kid Wrote:
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> Lifetime needs to promote the energy to protect
> your family, and not the other that someone
> previously posted.
gym ≠ daycare center
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> Lifetime needs to promote the energy to protect
> your family, and not the other that someone
> previously posted.
gym ≠ daycare center
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Gravis' hairy boyfriend/cousin
()
Date: September 23, 2007 02:47PM
Mr. J. R. Kid Wrote:
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> Lifetime needs to promote the energy to protect
> your family, and not the other that someone
> previously posted.
I'm going to promote the energy to kick as many unattended kids at LTF as I can.
I'm going to run up and take a full swing punt at these 60 pound muthafuckas.
Without a parent around, who's going to stop me? LTF? Apparently they won't be held responsible...
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> Lifetime needs to promote the energy to protect
> your family, and not the other that someone
> previously posted.
I'm going to promote the energy to kick as many unattended kids at LTF as I can.
I'm going to run up and take a full swing punt at these 60 pound muthafuckas.
Without a parent around, who's going to stop me? LTF? Apparently they won't be held responsible...
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 24, 2007 10:24AM
So Lifetime is now responsible for kids that run around in the parking lot? Does that mean Wal-Mart should be responsible for kids that run around in its parking lots?
Bullshit.
Bullshit.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
NO Rants Pls
()
Date: September 24, 2007 04:17PM
Please, be curteous and explain how your feelings Fairfax.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 24, 2007 04:38PM
NO Rants Pls Wrote:
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> Please, be curteous and explain how your feelings
> Fairfax.
The whole site is a friggin' "rant." Get over it.
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> Please, be curteous and explain how your feelings
> Fairfax.
The whole site is a friggin' "rant." Get over it.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
get the point
()
Date: September 24, 2007 04:59PM
you get the point
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Midnight Special
()
Date: October 06, 2007 10:42AM
I agree that this is a tragic incident and that we should not be pointing fingers until all the facts are known, especially if we were not there in person at the time of the accident. One thing, though, that bothers me a lot is the report that the father was in a hot tub that was only 3 or 4 feet away. That hot tub is at least 15 to 20 feet away from the edge of the pool which would make it probably 35 to 40 feet away from the area the young girl was playing in. While there may be plenty of blame to go around with reference to the father, the life guards or the club, it seems to me that, in many of the reports I have read, the father doesn't want to take any blame and that's a shame.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Jason and the Argonauts
()
Date: October 08, 2007 12:12PM
assumptions lead to blaming
responsibility has nothing to with either
responsibility has nothing to with either
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: October 08, 2007 12:35PM
Jason and the Argonauts Wrote:
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> assumptions lead to blaming
> responsibility has nothing to with either
The one certainty here is that the father wasn't watching his kid. That's not an assumption.
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> assumptions lead to blaming
> responsibility has nothing to with either
The one certainty here is that the father wasn't watching his kid. That's not an assumption.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Common sense not so common
()
Date: October 11, 2007 02:12PM
Who's the moron here? That's why it is a QUESTION.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Get the point
()
Date: October 11, 2007 07:36PM
Common sense not so common Wrote:
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> Who's the moron here? That's why it is a QUESTION.
Question of what?
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> Who's the moron here? That's why it is a QUESTION.
Question of what?
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
no way
()
Date: October 11, 2007 10:29PM
Nice try. You can't back peddal your way out of this. You are refering to the Centreville LTF not Illinois. Busted but true.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
crackheads
()
Date: October 12, 2007 02:37AM
no way Wrote:
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> Nice try. You can't back peddal your way out of
> this. You are refering to the Centreville LTF not
> Illinois. Busted but true.
lol now i know what akradi and quddus feel like and the question posed by the blog was who is responsible for this thus the assumptions of a parent lead to blaming <?>, replaces where a responsible parent would be
gosh, i thought this thread was serious sorry
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> Nice try. You can't back peddal your way out of
> this. You are refering to the Centreville LTF not
> Illinois. Busted but true.
lol now i know what akradi and quddus feel like and the question posed by the blog was who is responsible for this thus the assumptions of a parent lead to blaming <?>, replaces where a responsible parent would be
gosh, i thought this thread was serious sorry
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Backhanda
()
Date: October 15, 2007 11:24PM
Ahh, thanks for reminding me why I stopped going to LTF...all the annoying, screaming children, and their irresponsible, lackadaisical parents that expect everyone else to watch their brats. God forbid there could be ONE FREAKING PLACE in this area that I could go to without having to put up with some NORVA asshat's spoiled, "pwecious wittle snowfwake". I've worked in places where parents try and expect me to watch their kid, (when it has definitely not been my job, i would NEVER take a job that requires me to do anything with children) and I just flat-out refuse. People need to learn how to take responsibility for their own lives, and their own kids. I do not get paid enough to deal with YOUR kids. EVER. So if you can't watch your own kids, don't blame the innocent employees when something happens to your kid. But of course this dumbtard is gonna sue, and he'll probably win, and that will be yet another blow to personal responsibility in this country. Hope you'll all be real proud when everyone blames everyone else for everything that happens....and people wonder why I rarely leave the house. I'm just sick of this stupidity.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Backhanda
()
Date: October 15, 2007 11:31PM
Gravis-
I've seen things happen in my previous job. I saw a kid who was unattended wander out the door and start towards the street, and I did nothing. It's none of my business, and I am not going to run out there and grab that kid, just to get sued or have the hysterical, ungrateful parent try and sue me for "molesting" their kid, or whatever. It's unfortunate that people feel they cannot interfere in certain situations, but honestly, it is not worth it for me to be accused of something, lose my house, my job, and everything I've worked for, to save some kid that I don't give a flying fark about in the first place. Nope...let the parents save their kids if something happens. That may seem harsh, but it's a harsh-ass world out there, and I am not ruining MY life for anyone's freaking annoying-ass kid that would probably just grow up to be another annoyance and drain on this planet's resources. Being the "Good Samaritan" is just setting yourself up for a lawsuit in this day and age, and I want no part of it. I look out for myself, and I don't expect anyone else to look out for me, so why should I look out for someone who is just going to punish me for my efforts? Sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it?
I've seen things happen in my previous job. I saw a kid who was unattended wander out the door and start towards the street, and I did nothing. It's none of my business, and I am not going to run out there and grab that kid, just to get sued or have the hysterical, ungrateful parent try and sue me for "molesting" their kid, or whatever. It's unfortunate that people feel they cannot interfere in certain situations, but honestly, it is not worth it for me to be accused of something, lose my house, my job, and everything I've worked for, to save some kid that I don't give a flying fark about in the first place. Nope...let the parents save their kids if something happens. That may seem harsh, but it's a harsh-ass world out there, and I am not ruining MY life for anyone's freaking annoying-ass kid that would probably just grow up to be another annoyance and drain on this planet's resources. Being the "Good Samaritan" is just setting yourself up for a lawsuit in this day and age, and I want no part of it. I look out for myself, and I don't expect anyone else to look out for me, so why should I look out for someone who is just going to punish me for my efforts? Sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it?
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
roflmao
()
Date: October 17, 2007 03:15AM
Pathetic, desperate people have no morality when it comes to themselves, others, or their kids, so watch your back jack.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: October 17, 2007 10:47PM
Backhanda,
umm... im not the one disagreeing with you. however, if some dumbass kid is about to run onto a busy highway, i would try to stop them. but oh man, the parents would not get away lightly with such stupidity and child services would be involved. personally, i hate kids because they are so fucking stupid and loud and like you said many have dumbass parents who should have been sterilized years ago. case and point: the other night i was at a restaurant and there were at least three screaming kids by me. im not talking about the occasional outburst, im talking about the constant screaming and squealing with 10 seconds rest after minutes of high pitched screaming. i dont see how they werent kicked out but i wanted to punch out the parents for fucking up my dining experience that i was paying for. some children need those electric shock collars they have for dogs that bark too much. sure, they wont understand how to make it stop shocking them but ill sure feel better about it.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
umm... im not the one disagreeing with you. however, if some dumbass kid is about to run onto a busy highway, i would try to stop them. but oh man, the parents would not get away lightly with such stupidity and child services would be involved. personally, i hate kids because they are so fucking stupid and loud and like you said many have dumbass parents who should have been sterilized years ago. case and point: the other night i was at a restaurant and there were at least three screaming kids by me. im not talking about the occasional outburst, im talking about the constant screaming and squealing with 10 seconds rest after minutes of high pitched screaming. i dont see how they werent kicked out but i wanted to punch out the parents for fucking up my dining experience that i was paying for. some children need those electric shock collars they have for dogs that bark too much. sure, they wont understand how to make it stop shocking them but ill sure feel better about it.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
watcher
()
Date: October 18, 2007 06:57AM
You really can't expect to have a quiet dining experience at Chuck E. Cheese. Give the kids a break, Gravis. :)
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Steph
()
Date: October 21, 2007 03:56PM
Jay?
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Kay
()
Date: October 22, 2007 07:48PM
The father felt it was okay to leave their little five year old daughter alone in enough water she could drown in being watched by a son he raised, which means something is wrong with the overall programming with LTF, since families feel it's okay to abandon one another. I can't help but fathom what a father would be thinking about in a hot tub alone, while his children run off and play, obviously not the safety of his children and why is that? How could someone leave their daughter alone in a pool and think it's okay, even if they could possibly drown...what could he possibly be thinking about...Therein lies the real issue with working with people, how you make them feel and what they feel is okay, morality. Some people get it and some people can't...
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
real
()
Date: October 23, 2007 11:08PM
Lifeguard on duty.
When I feel like it?
Does it mean I have to get wet or watch the pool?
Do I have to watch the pool all the time...or can I text...flirt a bit....plan my weekend.....
Life guard on duty.
Watch the pool constantly...rotating pool positions every 15 minutes.
No cell phone carried...only a life ring and whistle needed.
Flirting, texting and weekend plans on your own time.
Which job position describes a typical life guard at Centreville LTF PRIOR to Sept 1, 2007?????
Ask some members.......
When I feel like it?
Does it mean I have to get wet or watch the pool?
Do I have to watch the pool all the time...or can I text...flirt a bit....plan my weekend.....
Life guard on duty.
Watch the pool constantly...rotating pool positions every 15 minutes.
No cell phone carried...only a life ring and whistle needed.
Flirting, texting and weekend plans on your own time.
Which job position describes a typical life guard at Centreville LTF PRIOR to Sept 1, 2007?????
Ask some members.......
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
really real
()
Date: October 24, 2007 08:33AM
they should change the signs from truncated messages children must be supervised by parent or guardian to children of all ages must be supervised by parent or legal guardian or we'll sue your ass if you kid ends up drowning
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
the Wizard of Oz
()
Date: October 24, 2007 03:14PM
Treat everyone the way you'd like to be treated sounds like a great business model for this place, but instead it seems like they have garbage being thrown around all over the place in its wake.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
David Smart
()
Date: October 26, 2008 02:54AM
The Lifeguard is ultimately responsible......preiod
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
pgens
()
Date: October 26, 2008 10:38AM
Thanks for the timely opinion on this issue.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
amyyy
()
Date: January 15, 2009 10:07PM
cc Wrote: DUDE! his brother ziyad is in my school and my team(liberty middle school) and he told me and i didnt believe it and i looked it up but he's so anooying. it's kinda sad. but i thought her name was spelled jenna. ...i feel so sorry )=
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> how awful... :(
>
> "CENTREVILLE, Va. -- Fairfax County police
> identified the 5-year-old girl who drowned at a
> gym pool on Friday as Jana Hammad of Clifton.
>
> Jana drowned at Life Time Fitness on Trinity
> Parkway just after 7 p.m. Friday, police said.
> Lifeguards had cleared the pool for a scheduled
> break. That's when the child's father realized his
> daughter was missing. She was found at the bottom
> of about 4 feet of water in the kiddie pool.
>
> Lifeguards immediately started CPR, but the girl
> was pronounced dead about an hour later at Inova
> Fair Oaks Hospital."
>
> http://www.nbc4.com/news/14026019/detail.html?subi
> d=10101441
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> how awful... :(
>
> "CENTREVILLE, Va. -- Fairfax County police
> identified the 5-year-old girl who drowned at a
> gym pool on Friday as Jana Hammad of Clifton.
>
> Jana drowned at Life Time Fitness on Trinity
> Parkway just after 7 p.m. Friday, police said.
> Lifeguards had cleared the pool for a scheduled
> break. That's when the child's father realized his
> daughter was missing. She was found at the bottom
> of about 4 feet of water in the kiddie pool.
>
> Lifeguards immediately started CPR, but the girl
> was pronounced dead about an hour later at Inova
> Fair Oaks Hospital."
>
> http://www.nbc4.com/news/14026019/detail.html?subi
> d=10101441
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
A E H
()
Date: February 04, 2009 06:29PM
I worked there the summer that girl drowned (I was a camp counselor, my job ended the week before) and the lifeguards there suck. they don't pay attention! I, multiple times, had to jump in and pull my campers out from drowning because the lifeguards werent paying attention (like, 2 feet away!). This one kid just splashed the water all day. One of my kids was yelling for his attention after coming down the slide and getting sucked under, and the kid didnt turn around.
One of the many reasons I did not return for a job this past summer.
One of the many reasons I did not return for a job this past summer.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
dono
()
Date: February 04, 2009 07:12PM
I believe it as far as I am concerned I AM THE LIFEGUARD when we go. The best guards there are marginal. I watched a pretty attentive guard there this past week. One minus - she had no whistle!
Beware.
Beware.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Update from this year
()
Date: December 16, 2009 08:08PM
http://valawyersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/19/5-year-old-drowns-in-fitness-center-pool-in-centreville-1750000-settlement/
5-year-old drowns in fitness center pool in Centreville - $1,750,000 Settlement
By Virginia Lawyers Weekly
Published: January 19, 2009
This was a lawsuit for the wrongful death of Jana Hammad, a 5-year-old child from Clifton, who on Aug. 31, 2007, drowned in a swimming pool at the defendant’s Life Time Fitness Center in Centreville. Jana drowned at or around the time of a swim break for the leisure pool after neither of the defendant’s ...
5-year-old drowns in fitness center pool in Centreville - $1,750,000 Settlement
By Virginia Lawyers Weekly
Published: January 19, 2009
This was a lawsuit for the wrongful death of Jana Hammad, a 5-year-old child from Clifton, who on Aug. 31, 2007, drowned in a swimming pool at the defendant’s Life Time Fitness Center in Centreville. Jana drowned at or around the time of a swim break for the leisure pool after neither of the defendant’s ...
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Former Memeber
()
Date: December 16, 2009 10:13PM
I use to be a member of this GYM. When I was in the pool I would notice such worthless lifeguards just running the mouths with each other and not watching the pool.. I would tell my wife that if someone is in this pool and has an emergency, they wouldn't be getting it from the staff. The GYM should pay big money. This is lifetimes fault. They hire a bunch of fools and dont' force them to do their job. God bless her , this is awful. Boycott this trash gym
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Another Victim
()
Date: December 17, 2009 12:17AM
Update from this year Wrote:
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> http://valawyersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/19/5-year-
> old-drowns-in-fitness-center-pool-in-centreville-1
> 750000-settlement/
>
> 5-year-old drowns in fitness center pool in
> Centreville - $1,750,000 Settlement
>
> By Virginia Lawyers Weekly
> Published: January 19, 2009
>
So helpful... posting a link to an article that we can't read unless we subscribe.
Can we assume the insurance company paid off the lawyers rather than go to trial? Would love to see the deposition where the parents claimed no responsibility for supervising their kid. Who was their lawyer? I want that lawyer the next time my kid skins a knee.
Maybe you should post the article here:
http://facesoflawsuitabuse.org/
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> http://valawyersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/19/5-year-
> old-drowns-in-fitness-center-pool-in-centreville-1
> 750000-settlement/
>
> 5-year-old drowns in fitness center pool in
> Centreville - $1,750,000 Settlement
>
> By Virginia Lawyers Weekly
> Published: January 19, 2009
>
So helpful... posting a link to an article that we can't read unless we subscribe.
Can we assume the insurance company paid off the lawyers rather than go to trial? Would love to see the deposition where the parents claimed no responsibility for supervising their kid. Who was their lawyer? I want that lawyer the next time my kid skins a knee.
Maybe you should post the article here:
http://facesoflawsuitabuse.org/
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Warhawk
()
Date: December 17, 2009 06:27AM
Update from this year Wrote:
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> http://valawyersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/19/5-year-
> old-drowns-in-fitness-center-pool-in-centreville-1
> 750000-settlement/
>
> 5-year-old drowns in fitness center pool in
> Centreville - $1,750,000 Settlement
>
> By Virginia Lawyers Weekly
> Published: January 19, 2009
>
> This was a lawsuit for the wrongful death of Jana
> Hammad, a 5-year-old child from Clifton, who on
> Aug. 31, 2007, drowned in a swimming pool at the
> defendant’s Life Time Fitness Center in
> Centreville. Jana drowned at or around the time of
> a swim break for the leisure pool after neither of
> the defendant’s ...
It would appear that my monthly dues will be increasing again in the near future.
__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
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> http://valawyersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/19/5-year-
> old-drowns-in-fitness-center-pool-in-centreville-1
> 750000-settlement/
>
> 5-year-old drowns in fitness center pool in
> Centreville - $1,750,000 Settlement
>
> By Virginia Lawyers Weekly
> Published: January 19, 2009
>
> This was a lawsuit for the wrongful death of Jana
> Hammad, a 5-year-old child from Clifton, who on
> Aug. 31, 2007, drowned in a swimming pool at the
> defendant’s Life Time Fitness Center in
> Centreville. Jana drowned at or around the time of
> a swim break for the leisure pool after neither of
> the defendant’s ...
It would appear that my monthly dues will be increasing again in the near future.
__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Anon
()
Date: December 21, 2009 11:07PM
What a joke of a father. Leaves his little girl to drown and then puts a price on her head. And look at the rest of the jokers here spouting out ideals about how they would act or how they supposedly act around children. Yeah right, you waste your time doing the same the dad and nearly all parents at the lifetime pool do, lounging around like a bunch of dicks. The lifeguards are hardly better. I get an overhead view of this stuff, I've seen your kind just the way it is.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Anon
()
Date: December 24, 2009 07:32AM
Every so often when it's night shift and teenagers are working, walk by the pump room by the office or the sprinkler room by the slides. There's a chance it'll smell like marijuana. The cameras are broken, so there's no way to prove they smoke there... but the management still refuses to drug test.
Most of the Lifeguards suck. Some of them actually pay attention, but make sure to watch your kids. Or go to a different gym.
Most of the Lifeguards suck. Some of them actually pay attention, but make sure to watch your kids. Or go to a different gym.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Les
()
Date: December 24, 2009 07:08PM
the parent relied on a 12-year old kid to watch the girl. didn't the boy alert the lifeguard or the father?
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Mickey
()
Date: December 24, 2009 07:23PM
Lately, it seems that the guards are very vigilant, some look like they are in their 40 or 50's (economy I guess). Beats the kid w/Multiple Sclerosis and his crutches who could barely pick his nose much less swim.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
asddf
()
Date: May 07, 2010 06:48AM
that's not even the real reason she drowned lol, imho i'm glad she's dead. it's just another example for others about taking any personal responsibility...i'm sure she was thinking goodbye cruel world *gurgle*. she probably drowned herself just to get rid of the company
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Warhawk
()
Date: May 07, 2010 06:57AM
asddf Wrote:
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> that's not even the real reason she drowned lol,
> imho i'm glad she's dead. it's just another
> example for others about taking any personal
> responsibility...i'm sure she was thinking goodbye
> cruel world *gurgle*. she probably drowned herself
> just to get rid of the company
Is there any software that will ban posts as dumb as this as as soon as the "post message" button is pressed? Jesus Christ....
__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
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> that's not even the real reason she drowned lol,
> imho i'm glad she's dead. it's just another
> example for others about taking any personal
> responsibility...i'm sure she was thinking goodbye
> cruel world *gurgle*. she probably drowned herself
> just to get rid of the company
Is there any software that will ban posts as dumb as this as as soon as the "post message" button is pressed? Jesus Christ....
__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Gonads & Strife
()
Date: May 07, 2010 07:56AM
Warhawk Wrote:
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> asddf Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > that's not even the real reason she drowned
> lol,
> > imho i'm glad she's dead. it's just another
> > example for others about taking any personal
> > responsibility...i'm sure she was thinking
> goodbye
> > cruel world *gurgle*. she probably drowned
> herself
> > just to get rid of the company
>
>
> Is there any software that will ban posts as dumb
> as this as as soon as the "post message" button is
> pressed? Jesus Christ....
No, but there is some hardware that would take care of it. It's called .45 ACP.
-------------------------------------------------------
> asddf Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > that's not even the real reason she drowned
> lol,
> > imho i'm glad she's dead. it's just another
> > example for others about taking any personal
> > responsibility...i'm sure she was thinking
> goodbye
> > cruel world *gurgle*. she probably drowned
> herself
> > just to get rid of the company
>
>
> Is there any software that will ban posts as dumb
> as this as as soon as the "post message" button is
> pressed? Jesus Christ....
No, but there is some hardware that would take care of it. It's called .45 ACP.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
asdfd
()
Date: May 09, 2010 02:33PM
actdually t hat's pretty smart since nobody seemed to have an explanation, kinda funny how that works, ya know, jerk off and screw around until somebody gets hurt or obviously alot worse, has anybody ever gotten fired over or explained anything? but i guess they don't have to
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Kardinal
()
Date: May 09, 2010 11:26PM
asdfd Wrote:
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> actdually t hat's pretty smart since nobody seemed
> to have an explanation, kinda funny how that
> works, ya know, jerk off and screw around until
> somebody gets hurt or obviously alot worse, has
> anybody ever gotten fired over or explained
> anything? but i guess they don't have to
Maybe they did; you don't know. And if they did fire anyone, it's none of your damn business.
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> actdually t hat's pretty smart since nobody seemed
> to have an explanation, kinda funny how that
> works, ya know, jerk off and screw around until
> somebody gets hurt or obviously alot worse, has
> anybody ever gotten fired over or explained
> anything? but i guess they don't have to
Maybe they did; you don't know. And if they did fire anyone, it's none of your damn business.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
FistaCuffs
()
Date: May 10, 2010 09:05AM
This death is probably vaginal-fisting related. That, or anal-fisting. Perhaps both. At once...
Hmm...
Hmm...
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Gonads & Strife
()
Date: May 10, 2010 09:13AM
Pump the brakes, Fista. You're going the way of Gornadi.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
FistaCuffs
()
Date: May 10, 2010 09:29AM
Alls I'ms sayins iss thatss fistss hass somethingss tos dos withs its
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
MMAMEA
()
Date: May 10, 2010 10:02PM
I have personally had to pull my own children up from underwater in the bathtub while I am sitting by the side of the tub bathing them. Any person with half a brain knows that even an adult can drown in very shallow water.
I belong to Lifetime Fitness in Fairfax and I agree that the lifeguards (very much like those in our community who don't speak enough English to say "Are You DROWNING?") are not going to save your children from drowning. I have pulled other people's children up from under water at public pools as well.
When my children go into the pool they wear their life jackets. PERIOD, or they don't go in. I have always gone in the pool with them and been right next to them. I happen to have a 6 year old and a 5 year old, both of whom think they are better swimmers than they are. I do not allow anyone else to take my children to the pool because I cannot be sure that they will watch my children like I do. For this very reason, I do not hire teenagers to babysit my children. I do background and reference checks. I, as the parent, am responsible for my children and if I have put them in someone else's care, I am still responsible for having made that decision.
Even when my kids are in the Child Care Center at LTF, I am watching what is going on. I am watching who they are playing with and checking in. I also watch to see who comes and goes into the Child care center. I'm sorry, but those are MY CHILDREN and I might be an overprotective, overbearing mother, but I know where my children are AT ALL TIMES!
I feel terrible for this father for exercising poor judgement and the consequences he has to live with. I also feel bad for the guards whose watch this happened on, but this tragedy clearly could have been avoided. The guards are more concerned with making sure that people take showers before getting in the pool than they are about the fact that there are WAY TOO MANY people in the pool at family swim times, or that there are children beating the shit out of each other with "noodles" around younger children. Again, though, it is the parents' responsibility to teach their children manners and respect, but that is a whole new topic...isn't it?
I belong to Lifetime Fitness in Fairfax and I agree that the lifeguards (very much like those in our community who don't speak enough English to say "Are You DROWNING?") are not going to save your children from drowning. I have pulled other people's children up from under water at public pools as well.
When my children go into the pool they wear their life jackets. PERIOD, or they don't go in. I have always gone in the pool with them and been right next to them. I happen to have a 6 year old and a 5 year old, both of whom think they are better swimmers than they are. I do not allow anyone else to take my children to the pool because I cannot be sure that they will watch my children like I do. For this very reason, I do not hire teenagers to babysit my children. I do background and reference checks. I, as the parent, am responsible for my children and if I have put them in someone else's care, I am still responsible for having made that decision.
Even when my kids are in the Child Care Center at LTF, I am watching what is going on. I am watching who they are playing with and checking in. I also watch to see who comes and goes into the Child care center. I'm sorry, but those are MY CHILDREN and I might be an overprotective, overbearing mother, but I know where my children are AT ALL TIMES!
I feel terrible for this father for exercising poor judgement and the consequences he has to live with. I also feel bad for the guards whose watch this happened on, but this tragedy clearly could have been avoided. The guards are more concerned with making sure that people take showers before getting in the pool than they are about the fact that there are WAY TOO MANY people in the pool at family swim times, or that there are children beating the shit out of each other with "noodles" around younger children. Again, though, it is the parents' responsibility to teach their children manners and respect, but that is a whole new topic...isn't it?
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Mick Jagger
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Date: May 11, 2010 08:24AM
Five year olds can't swim in any meaningful way. Father leaves her in four feet of water. There was no other outcome.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Mick Jagger
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Date: May 11, 2010 08:29AM
Hassad probably said, "Do as I say. Stay in the shallow section." That's probably what he's telling the police right now. It was her fault.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
blasphemy
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Date: May 11, 2010 12:28PM
OF COURSE there minorities. the dad was probably wacking off with some other asain people in the sauna. oh well, somebody gets the 72 virgins early......
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Juxtaposition
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Date: May 20, 2010 02:30PM
it's unreal, ya know, the opposite of "real", and I kinda figured as long as they're entertained and comfortable I'd hate to be the one to tell them they're not, because it makes it look like the problem is you, go figure that one?
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
niggers
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Date: June 20, 2010 05:11PM
Go fuck yourself niggers.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
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Date: June 20, 2010 05:18PM
niggers Wrote:
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> Go fuck yourself niggers.
I take it this is the asshole Cary just banned.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
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> Go fuck yourself niggers.
I take it this is the asshole Cary just banned.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Juxtaposition
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Date: June 24, 2010 06:25PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> niggers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Go fuck yourself niggers.
>
>
> I take it this is the asshole Cary just banned.
not exactly ...but they're probably some of the most annoying motherfuckers on earth
hasn't this site been shut off yet? lol
keep up the good work cary =D
hear the word, revel the message
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> niggers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Go fuck yourself niggers.
>
>
> I take it this is the asshole Cary just banned.
not exactly ...but they're probably some of the most annoying motherfuckers on earth
hasn't this site been shut off yet? lol
keep up the good work cary =D
hear the word, revel the message
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Juxtaposition
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Date: June 25, 2010 12:15PM
it's because their CEO has been too busy niggerdicking the united states for anyone to pay attention to anything serious and this guy could have settled for 10x the amount
it's truly sad but this guy's such a nigger
it's truly sad but this guy's such a nigger
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Juxtaposition
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Date: June 25, 2010 12:17PM
these people are so full of hate
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Gonads & Strife
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Date: June 25, 2010 12:18PM
To all of the "regular unregistered" users..this is why you register your name:
Juxtaposition Wrote:
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> it's because their CEO has been too busy
> niggerdicking the united states for anyone to pay
> attention to anything serious and this guy could
> have settled for 10x the amount
> it's truly sad but this guy's such a nigger
Juxtaposition Wrote:
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> it's because their CEO has been too busy
> niggerdicking the united states for anyone to pay
> attention to anything serious and this guy could
> have settled for 10x the amount
> it's truly sad but this guy's such a nigger
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Neal Kluge
()
Date: November 09, 2011 06:38PM
This pool accomodates dozens and it is small. There is churning of water and splashing as many many kids keep playing heartily. It is difficult to spot that any one has gone under. (these are my observations from BEFORE the drowning)
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Tyrone
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Date: November 10, 2011 12:23AM
Neal Kluge Wrote:
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> This pool accomodates dozens and it is small.
> There is churning of water and splashing as many
> many kids keep playing heartily. It is difficult
> to spot that any one has gone under. (these are my
> observations from BEFORE the drowning)
Good job posting in a dead thread. Find another hobby.
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> This pool accomodates dozens and it is small.
> There is churning of water and splashing as many
> many kids keep playing heartily. It is difficult
> to spot that any one has gone under. (these are my
> observations from BEFORE the drowning)
Good job posting in a dead thread. Find another hobby.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
LG
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Date: June 06, 2013 09:06AM
Okay I get SO irritated when people complain saying "why are so many lifeguards teenagers blah blah". How many freaking adults apply for lifeguard jobs in the first place?!?! Oh yeah that's right none really. Because they don't consider it a real job. So stfu with that. Second, "concerned parent", you're an idiot. I HIGHLY doubt your drowning son was yelling out to the lifeguard. That's almost impossible for an active drowning victim to do.
I work at lifetime and I see on a DAILY basis these idiot "parents" bring their kids to the pool as if it's the daycare center. And none of the parents can read either, because we have 25/10 rule posters all over the place! I get so tired of people blaming lifeguards when someone drowns. Lifeguards aren't personal babysitters for your child, they're responsible for watching EVERYONE not only in the pool, but on the pool deck as well. Unless the lifeguard is being completely negligent, don't assume that your child is getting 100% personalized attention at the pool. ESPECIALLY when your child can't swim. YOU should be in the water keeping an eye on them.
I work at lifetime and I see on a DAILY basis these idiot "parents" bring their kids to the pool as if it's the daycare center. And none of the parents can read either, because we have 25/10 rule posters all over the place! I get so tired of people blaming lifeguards when someone drowns. Lifeguards aren't personal babysitters for your child, they're responsible for watching EVERYONE not only in the pool, but on the pool deck as well. Unless the lifeguard is being completely negligent, don't assume that your child is getting 100% personalized attention at the pool. ESPECIALLY when your child can't swim. YOU should be in the water keeping an eye on them.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
katiesmith
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Date: June 06, 2013 01:06PM
It's not so much that they don't consider it a real job, but that the pay is too low to survive on in this area if you have a family. I talked to a lifeguard who said they work something close to 100 hours a week to make enough money. I agree though it is the parents job to parent though and lifeguards are not babysitters.
LG Wrote:
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> Okay I get SO irritated when people complain
> saying "why are so many lifeguards teenagers blah
> blah". How many freaking adults apply for
> lifeguard jobs in the first place?!?! Oh yeah
> that's right none really. Because they don't
> consider it a real job. So stfu with that. Second,
> "concerned parent", you're an idiot. I HIGHLY
> doubt your drowning son was yelling out to the
> lifeguard. That's almost impossible for an active
> drowning victim to do.
> I work at lifetime and I see on a DAILY basis
> these idiot "parents" bring their kids to the pool
> as if it's the daycare center. And none of the
> parents can read either, because we have 25/10
> rule posters all over the place! I get so tired of
> people blaming lifeguards when someone drowns.
> Lifeguards aren't personal babysitters for your
> child, they're responsible for watching EVERYONE
> not only in the pool, but on the pool deck as
> well. Unless the lifeguard is being completely
> negligent, don't assume that your child is getting
> 100% personalized attention at the pool.
> ESPECIALLY when your child can't swim. YOU should
> be in the water keeping an eye on them.
LG Wrote:
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> Okay I get SO irritated when people complain
> saying "why are so many lifeguards teenagers blah
> blah". How many freaking adults apply for
> lifeguard jobs in the first place?!?! Oh yeah
> that's right none really. Because they don't
> consider it a real job. So stfu with that. Second,
> "concerned parent", you're an idiot. I HIGHLY
> doubt your drowning son was yelling out to the
> lifeguard. That's almost impossible for an active
> drowning victim to do.
> I work at lifetime and I see on a DAILY basis
> these idiot "parents" bring their kids to the pool
> as if it's the daycare center. And none of the
> parents can read either, because we have 25/10
> rule posters all over the place! I get so tired of
> people blaming lifeguards when someone drowns.
> Lifeguards aren't personal babysitters for your
> child, they're responsible for watching EVERYONE
> not only in the pool, but on the pool deck as
> well. Unless the lifeguard is being completely
> negligent, don't assume that your child is getting
> 100% personalized attention at the pool.
> ESPECIALLY when your child can't swim. YOU should
> be in the water keeping an eye on them.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
kid's work
()
Date: June 06, 2013 04:30PM
katiesmith Wrote:
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> It's not so much that they don't consider it a
> real job, but that the pay is too low to survive
> on in this area if you have a family. I talked to
> a lifeguard who said they work something close to
> 100 hours a week to make enough money. I agree
> though it is the parents job to parent though and
> lifeguards are not babysitters.
Lifeguards are high school students and college kids. If you are doing it as an adult trying to support a family you are a moron. A 15 year old can be certified as a lifeguard and you can get a pool operators license at 16.
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> It's not so much that they don't consider it a
> real job, but that the pay is too low to survive
> on in this area if you have a family. I talked to
> a lifeguard who said they work something close to
> 100 hours a week to make enough money. I agree
> though it is the parents job to parent though and
> lifeguards are not babysitters.
Lifeguards are high school students and college kids. If you are doing it as an adult trying to support a family you are a moron. A 15 year old can be certified as a lifeguard and you can get a pool operators license at 16.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
tL796
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Date: June 06, 2013 04:44PM
Slate ran an article earlier this week about what drowning looks like. Apparently it is common for victims to slip silently under the water, physically unable to call out or signal. Most child drownings occur within a few feet of caretakers and other swimmers.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/family/2013/06/rescuing_drowning_children_how_to_know_when_someone_is_in_trouble_in_the.html
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/family/2013/06/rescuing_drowning_children_how_to_know_when_someone_is_in_trouble_in_the.html
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Butthead
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Date: June 06, 2013 11:59PM
When I saw this old thread resurrected - again - I was hoping someone was posting the LTF settlement amount.
EVERY FUCKING PARENT NEEDS TO READ THIS LIKE TWO TIMES!!!
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 07, 2013 08:31AM
LG Wrote:
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> Okay I get SO irritated when people complain
> saying "why are so many lifeguards teenagers blah
> blah". How many freaking adults apply for
> lifeguard jobs in the first place?!?! Oh yeah
> that's right none really. Because they don't
> consider it a real job. So stfu with that. Second,
> "concerned parent", you're an idiot. I HIGHLY
> doubt your drowning son was yelling out to the
> lifeguard. That's almost impossible for an active
> drowning victim to do.
> I work at lifetime and I see on a DAILY basis
> these idiot "parents" bring their kids to the pool
> as if it's the daycare center. And none of the
> parents can read either, because we have 25/10
> rule posters all over the place! I get so tired of
> people blaming lifeguards when someone drowns.
> Lifeguards aren't personal babysitters for your
> child, they're responsible for watching EVERYONE
> not only in the pool, but on the pool deck as
> well. Unless the lifeguard is being completely
> negligent, don't assume that your child is getting
> 100% personalized attention at the pool.
> ESPECIALLY when your child can't swim. YOU should
> be in the water keeping an eye on them.
GREAT POST, LG
it's such a head-slapper when I see this happening. I mean, if there's only one place on the planet where you actually NEED to be a helicopter parent, you's think people would at least CONSIDER it to be the place where yr kid's lungs are not always being exposed to air, y'know?
p.s. same ppl complaining about lifeguards not paying so much attention will be the same ppl you see giving lifeguards bullshit when they get the whistle blown at them poolside
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> Okay I get SO irritated when people complain
> saying "why are so many lifeguards teenagers blah
> blah". How many freaking adults apply for
> lifeguard jobs in the first place?!?! Oh yeah
> that's right none really. Because they don't
> consider it a real job. So stfu with that. Second,
> "concerned parent", you're an idiot. I HIGHLY
> doubt your drowning son was yelling out to the
> lifeguard. That's almost impossible for an active
> drowning victim to do.
> I work at lifetime and I see on a DAILY basis
> these idiot "parents" bring their kids to the pool
> as if it's the daycare center. And none of the
> parents can read either, because we have 25/10
> rule posters all over the place! I get so tired of
> people blaming lifeguards when someone drowns.
> Lifeguards aren't personal babysitters for your
> child, they're responsible for watching EVERYONE
> not only in the pool, but on the pool deck as
> well. Unless the lifeguard is being completely
> negligent, don't assume that your child is getting
> 100% personalized attention at the pool.
> ESPECIALLY when your child can't swim. YOU should
> be in the water keeping an eye on them.
GREAT POST, LG
it's such a head-slapper when I see this happening. I mean, if there's only one place on the planet where you actually NEED to be a helicopter parent, you's think people would at least CONSIDER it to be the place where yr kid's lungs are not always being exposed to air, y'know?
p.s. same ppl complaining about lifeguards not paying so much attention will be the same ppl you see giving lifeguards bullshit when they get the whistle blown at them poolside
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Kathleen Sebilius
()
Date: June 07, 2013 09:20AM
Someone lives, someone dies.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Harlee Davison
()
Date: June 07, 2013 10:38AM
Update from this year Wrote:
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> http://valawyersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/19/5-year-
> old-drowns-in-fitness-center-pool-in-centreville-1
> 750000-settlement/
>
> 5-year-old drowns in fitness center pool in
> Centreville - $1,750,000 Settlement
>
> By Virginia Lawyers Weekly
> Published: January 19, 2009
>
> This was a lawsuit for the wrongful death of Jana
> Hammad, a 5-year-old child from Clifton, who on
> Aug. 31, 2007, drowned in a swimming pool at the
> defendant’s Life Time Fitness Center in
> Centreville. Jana drowned at or around the time of
> a swim break for the leisure pool after neither of
> the defendant’s ...
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> http://valawyersweekly.com/blog/2009/01/19/5-year-
> old-drowns-in-fitness-center-pool-in-centreville-1
> 750000-settlement/
>
> 5-year-old drowns in fitness center pool in
> Centreville - $1,750,000 Settlement
>
> By Virginia Lawyers Weekly
> Published: January 19, 2009
>
> This was a lawsuit for the wrongful death of Jana
> Hammad, a 5-year-old child from Clifton, who on
> Aug. 31, 2007, drowned in a swimming pool at the
> defendant’s Life Time Fitness Center in
> Centreville. Jana drowned at or around the time of
> a swim break for the leisure pool after neither of
> the defendant’s ...
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
BeenThere
()
Date: June 08, 2013 05:24PM
LIFEGUARDS ARE NOT FUCKING BABYSITTERS.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
idiots
()
Date: June 08, 2013 05:38PM
why are u losers commenting on a post that was started in 2007?
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Poop Man
()
Date: June 08, 2013 06:22PM
BeenThere Wrote:
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> LIFEGUARDS ARE NOT FUCKING BABYSITTERS.
LIFEGUARDS ARE FUCKING BABY SITTERS!
^^^THIS^^^
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> LIFEGUARDS ARE NOT FUCKING BABYSITTERS.
LIFEGUARDS ARE FUCKING BABY SITTERS!
^^^THIS^^^
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
katiesmith
()
Date: June 09, 2013 07:27PM
They're not morans they are foreigners. Who do you think is going to be able to watch the soccer mom's in the hot tub/pool at 10am in the morning for minimum wage?
kid's work Wrote:
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> katiesmith Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's not so much that they don't consider it a
> > real job, but that the pay is too low to
> survive
> > on in this area if you have a family. I talked
> to
> > a lifeguard who said they work something close
> to
> > 100 hours a week to make enough money. I agree
> > though it is the parents job to parent though
> and
> > lifeguards are not babysitters.
>
> Lifeguards are high school students and college
> kids. If you are doing it as an adult trying to
> support a family you are a moron. A 15 year old
> can be certified as a lifeguard and you can get a
> pool operators license at 16.
kid's work Wrote:
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> katiesmith Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's not so much that they don't consider it a
> > real job, but that the pay is too low to
> survive
> > on in this area if you have a family. I talked
> to
> > a lifeguard who said they work something close
> to
> > 100 hours a week to make enough money. I agree
> > though it is the parents job to parent though
> and
> > lifeguards are not babysitters.
>
> Lifeguards are high school students and college
> kids. If you are doing it as an adult trying to
> support a family you are a moron. A 15 year old
> can be certified as a lifeguard and you can get a
> pool operators license at 16.
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Nadia
()
Date: September 15, 2014 04:15AM
Parents and everyone, please be aware, people do not flail when they are drowning! Quite the opposite. A well-trained lifeguard will know that a drowning victim is NOT spotted by flailing, yelling, or showimg panic. The Instinctive Drowning Response does not allow someone to be able to wave, scream, or kick. Please learn about what drowning looks like if you are going to be taking your loved ones into the water. Otherwise they could drown 20-30 feet away from you without you even realizing that it is happening!
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Nadia
()
Date: September 15, 2014 04:22AM
PS:
Here's a good tip: When kids are playing in the water, they scream and make noise. If they are quiet, that is the time to IMMEDIATELY be concerned! You may have only about 30 seconds to rescue them!
Again, learn what drowning really looks like, not what you've seen on tv!
Here's a good tip: When kids are playing in the water, they scream and make noise. If they are quiet, that is the time to IMMEDIATELY be concerned! You may have only about 30 seconds to rescue them!
Again, learn what drowning really looks like, not what you've seen on tv!
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
Lifeguards aren't babysitters
()
Date: September 15, 2014 07:02AM
Is the Lifetime pool haunted?
Re: 5yr old girl drowns at Lifetime Fitness
Posted by:
onyourown
()
Date: September 15, 2014 07:10AM
Folks, Lifetime guards do not follow standard practices and procedures. My kids are older now but it was obvious we were totally on our own at Lifetime pools. I watch my kids like a hawk and I notice the guards. Guards would talk to each other and staff while on duty. They did not use the elevated chairs provided and I know for a fact they could not see all areas of the pool.
Its a very important job and it requires 100% concentration. If you go to lifetime you are on your own.
Its a very important job and it requires 100% concentration. If you go to lifetime you are on your own.