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What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
Snapple
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Date: November 20, 2010 07:16PM
Why does this one road require tolls to travel on it? Haven't the construction costs been paid for by now? I have to pay $1.75 just to travel 3 miles from Tysons to Reston. That's ridiculous.
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
Are you from here?
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Date: November 20, 2010 07:24PM
While I agree with you, we have it pretty good in Nothern VA. I grew up in Long Island and it is hell in tolls getting back to visit my family. That said more tolls are on the way. HOT lanes. I admit I will pay the price then sit in traffic. You?
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
ThePackLeader
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Date: November 20, 2010 07:26PM
Yes, they originally stated that the purpose of the tolls was to solely pay-off the roadway, but as usual bureaucrats lie.
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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
ThePackLeader
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Date: November 20, 2010 07:27PM
Are you from here? Wrote:
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> While I agree with you, we have it pretty good in
> Nothern VA. I grew up in Long Island and it is
> hell in tolls getting back to visit my family.
> That said more tolls are on the way. HOT lanes. I
> admit I will pay the price then sit in traffic.
> You?
The LIE, AKA "The World's Biggest Parking Lot".
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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
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> While I agree with you, we have it pretty good in
> Nothern VA. I grew up in Long Island and it is
> hell in tolls getting back to visit my family.
> That said more tolls are on the way. HOT lanes. I
> admit I will pay the price then sit in traffic.
> You?
The LIE, AKA "The World's Biggest Parking Lot".
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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
Kilton
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Date: November 20, 2010 08:33PM
Snapple Wrote:
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> Why does this one road require tolls to travel on
> it? Haven't the construction costs been paid for
> by now? I have to pay $1.75 just to travel 3 miles
> from Tysons to Reston. That's ridiculous.
Try driving 3 miles from Herndon to Ashburn if you really want something to complain about.
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> Why does this one road require tolls to travel on
> it? Haven't the construction costs been paid for
> by now? I have to pay $1.75 just to travel 3 miles
> from Tysons to Reston. That's ridiculous.
Try driving 3 miles from Herndon to Ashburn if you really want something to complain about.
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
Anon
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Date: November 20, 2010 10:39PM
Get your boss to get you a SmartTag on the company account. That's what I did.
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
TheMeeper
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Date: November 20, 2010 11:45PM
Snapple Wrote:
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> Haven't the construction costs been paid for
> by now? I have to pay $1.75 just to travel 3 miles
> from Tysons to Reston. That's ridiculous.
Most of the current toll revenue is going towards the construction of the new Metro Silver line. Those tolls aren't finished going up either.
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>
> Haven't the construction costs been paid for
> by now? I have to pay $1.75 just to travel 3 miles
> from Tysons to Reston. That's ridiculous.
Most of the current toll revenue is going towards the construction of the new Metro Silver line. Those tolls aren't finished going up either.
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
stopngo
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Date: November 21, 2010 08:18AM
You can thank John McCain for the Toll Road/Access Road mess.
Why a Senator from Arizona is tied into this is Yet Another Fun Politics Fact.
Why a Senator from Arizona is tied into this is Yet Another Fun Politics Fact.
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
Chris
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Date: November 21, 2010 09:41AM
The Dulles toll road is owned by the state. Voters at some point voted that it would be good revenue that then goes to VDOT and is supposed to finance transportation improvement projects in this area. It was not intended to repay it's own construction costs.
The Greenway is privately owned. It's actually currently owned by a company in Australia. The original developers simply bought private property in a strategic location and put a road on it. You can do it too if you like.
There is another section of the toll road that is an airport access toll also privately owned but the Greenway collects this for them. The Greenway is not as expensive as it seems since they also collect this toll and pass it on to the other company.
The Greenway is privately owned. It's actually currently owned by a company in Australia. The original developers simply bought private property in a strategic location and put a road on it. You can do it too if you like.
There is another section of the toll road that is an airport access toll also privately owned but the Greenway collects this for them. The Greenway is not as expensive as it seems since they also collect this toll and pass it on to the other company.
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
Les
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Date: November 21, 2010 10:32AM
It's the part of the Silver Line deal. Business pays higher RE taxes and their employees pay higher tolls.
There's been a 50 cent gas tax proposed to maintain all the interstates. The local regional authority has proposed to convert all the major interstates to tolls.
There's been a 50 cent gas tax proposed to maintain all the interstates. The local regional authority has proposed to convert all the major interstates to tolls.
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
Kilton
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Date: November 21, 2010 10:42AM
Chris Wrote:
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> The Greenway is not as expensive as it seems
ROTFLMAO. You must work for TRIP II. The Greenway is every bit as expensive as it "seems". It's a complete joke. And it's precisely the reason why highways shouldn't be privately-owned.
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> The Greenway is not as expensive as it seems
ROTFLMAO. You must work for TRIP II. The Greenway is every bit as expensive as it "seems". It's a complete joke. And it's precisely the reason why highways shouldn't be privately-owned.
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
Ja'Spool
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Date: November 21, 2010 12:36PM
Chris Wrote:
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> The Dulles toll road is owned by the state.
> Voters at some point voted that it would be good
> revenue that then goes to VDOT and is supposed to
> finance transportation improvement projects in
> this area. It was not intended to repay it's own
> construction costs.
>
DTR is NOT run by the commonwealth. The WMAA owns/runs it. I believe they took control at the start of 2010. This is why you see the airport cops patrolling the toll lanes now, and the admin building states WMAA is in control.
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> The Dulles toll road is owned by the state.
> Voters at some point voted that it would be good
> revenue that then goes to VDOT and is supposed to
> finance transportation improvement projects in
> this area. It was not intended to repay it's own
> construction costs.
>
DTR is NOT run by the commonwealth. The WMAA owns/runs it. I believe they took control at the start of 2010. This is why you see the airport cops patrolling the toll lanes now, and the admin building states WMAA is in control.
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
Chris
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Date: November 21, 2010 10:46PM
> DTR is NOT run by the commonwealth. The WMAA
> owns/runs it. I believe they took control at the
> start of 2010. This is why you see the airport
> cops patrolling the toll lanes now, and the
> admin building states WMAA is in control.
You're confusing the part of the toll road that I said was privately owned and that the greenway collects the toll for. Dulles toll road = VDOT. Airport access road = WMAA (if what you say is correct). Greenway = Private Australian company. Did you even read what I wrote?
> owns/runs it. I believe they took control at the
> start of 2010. This is why you see the airport
> cops patrolling the toll lanes now, and the
> admin building states WMAA is in control.
You're confusing the part of the toll road that I said was privately owned and that the greenway collects the toll for. Dulles toll road = VDOT. Airport access road = WMAA (if what you say is correct). Greenway = Private Australian company. Did you even read what I wrote?
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
chris = wrong
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Date: November 21, 2010 11:31PM
Sure I read what you wrote, which is any I corrected you. The WMAA runs BOTH the toll AND airport access portions from the main plaza to the greenway.
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
SomeGuy
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Date: November 22, 2010 09:40AM
From 2009.. but they have the rate increases planned out to 2047 already.
Page ES-5 - http://www.metwashairports.com/file/traffic_study_2009.pdf
Page ES-5 - http://www.metwashairports.com/file/traffic_study_2009.pdf
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
ITRADE
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Date: November 22, 2010 09:44AM
One of the few toll bridges that I've ever seen to eliminate tolls when the project was paid off is the Coronado/Bay bridge linking San Diego to Coronado. Once the bridge cost was paid for, they boarded up the toll booths.
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
Chris = wrong is correct
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Date: November 22, 2010 10:46AM
Crap, you are right. I hate that and never put anything on the web that I'm not 100% sure of. I just went through a grant request to cover transportation costs for an employee and I had to go through VDOT for the specific section of 267 from 495 until it passes the airport access road (which I did know is then owned by WMAA). I guess in order to develop the metro, that's why VDOT transferred ownership. I still can't figure why VDOT was the one who oversaw my request for funds for my employee. I should go back to WMAA with the same request.
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
Client 9 from Outerspace
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Date: November 22, 2010 11:51AM
Chris Wrote:
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> The Dulles toll road is owned by the state.
> Voters at some point voted that it would be good
> revenue that then goes to VDOT and is supposed to
> finance transportation improvement projects in
> this area. It was not intended to repay it's own
> construction costs.
>
> The Greenway is privately owned. It's actually
> currently owned by a company in Australia. The
> original developers simply bought private property
> in a strategic location and put a road on it. You
> can do it too if you like.
>
> There is another section of the toll road that is
> an airport access toll also privately owned but
> the Greenway collects this for them. The Greenway
> is not as expensive as it seems since they also
> collect this toll and pass it on to the other
> company.
I don't recall voting for toll roads. I don't think that would've passed. Remember, area voters soundly rejected a regional sales tax for transportation about five years ago.
It was rather sneaky by the WMATA and VA politicians on the manner how the toll road was transferred to WMATA.
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> The Dulles toll road is owned by the state.
> Voters at some point voted that it would be good
> revenue that then goes to VDOT and is supposed to
> finance transportation improvement projects in
> this area. It was not intended to repay it's own
> construction costs.
>
> The Greenway is privately owned. It's actually
> currently owned by a company in Australia. The
> original developers simply bought private property
> in a strategic location and put a road on it. You
> can do it too if you like.
>
> There is another section of the toll road that is
> an airport access toll also privately owned but
> the Greenway collects this for them. The Greenway
> is not as expensive as it seems since they also
> collect this toll and pass it on to the other
> company.
I don't recall voting for toll roads. I don't think that would've passed. Remember, area voters soundly rejected a regional sales tax for transportation about five years ago.
It was rather sneaky by the WMATA and VA politicians on the manner how the toll road was transferred to WMATA.
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
Chris
()
Date: November 22, 2010 12:00PM
Most people support toll roads though because they present it in a way that the funds will be used to improve transportation improvement projects and since everyone who used route 7 before the toll road was built, would figure that with a toll road, other people will take it and therefore reduce the traffic on their route (assuming they still take route 7).
Obviously, if it was a choice between a toll road or a public road, no-one would vote to then have it be a toll road, but I think it was presented as toll road or no road so it was supported by the public.
Obviously, if it was a choice between a toll road or a public road, no-one would vote to then have it be a toll road, but I think it was presented as toll road or no road so it was supported by the public.
Re: What's the deal with the Toll Road?
Posted by:
tollssucks
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Date: December 26, 2010 10:41PM
its sucks