Looks like this is coming to an end. About time.

https://www.wric.com/news/politics/capitol-connection/virginia-senate-approves-amendment-that-may-spell-end-to-school-mask-mandates/

Good. This nonsense needs to end. The sooner the better.

29 to 9 vote. 10 Democrats joined Republicans. Follow the science, the political science that is, LMAO!

Remember in November- Jennifer Boysko, Adam Ebbin, Barbara Favola, Dave Marsden. All voted to keep kids masked, a nod of obedience to the corrupt teachers union.

Science has proven masks provide little help if any. Shame on these partisan hacks.

Democrats Howell, Saslaw and Surovell all represent part of Fairfax County.

So much for it being so popular here.

stop suffocating kids Wrote:
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> Democrats Howell, Saslaw and Surovell all
> represent part of Fairfax County.
>
> So much for it being so popular here.


So does Marsden .... all politics from the science deniers.

Parents who want kids in masks should start their own schools.

good point, you make me sick...

also, little known fact...children in private schools don't have to suffocate in a mask all day....cee, if you parents have enough money, your children don't have to go to a prison like FCPS....

the lower income children are the ones who suffer frum the libtardese agenda

YOUNGKIN STUMPS THE CHUMPS Wrote:
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> Looks like this is coming to an end. About time.

In JULY. Like virtual schooling and foreign wars mask mandates in public school have to end sometime. All indications are that covid is becoming endemic in society, and the rules need to transition to reflect that fact.

Even pro-maskers should agree Wrote:
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> YOUNGKIN STUMPS THE CHUMPS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Looks like this is coming to an end. About
> time.
>
> In JULY. Like virtual schooling and foreign wars
> mask mandates in public school have to end
> sometime. All indications are that covid is
> becoming endemic in society, and the rules need to
> transition to reflect that fact.


It's going to be earlier. Much earlier. Libtards don't get to decide when and where they will follow orders.

The ordinary rule in Virginia is that legislation takes effect on July 1. The legislature can delay the effective date of legislation easily enough. To advance the effective date it is necessary to follow the process for emergency legislation. The Governor cannot by fiat alter the effective date of legislation. He could try to have the bill amended, but that would require the approval of the legislature.

Until the new legislation takes effect, whenever that may be, the old rules apply.

Quick check. Virginia Code §1-214 and Article IV Section 13 of the Virginia Constitution says that Emergency Legislation can take effect immediately. It also says a 4/5ths vote of each house is required for Emergency Legislation.

Virginia Constitutional Law Wrote:
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> The ordinary rule in Virginia is that legislation
> takes effect on July 1. The legislature can delay
> the effective date of legislation easily enough.
> To advance the effective date it is necessary to
> follow the process for emergency legislation. The
> Governor cannot by fiat alter the effective date
> of legislation. He could try to have the bill
> amended, but that would require the approval of
> the legislature.
>
> Until the new legislation takes effect, whenever
> that may be, the old rules apply.


And by "old rules", are you referring to executive orders that democrats signed or republicans? Because some places are checking signatures on executive orders before deciding whether to follow laws.

Next time VA gets a libtard governor, I hope the GOP ignores all of his executive orders that they don't like also.

In Canada where they are blocking the bridge a trucker had a huge sign

If you can smell my fart Your Mask won't work

Pentuple Dump Champion Wrote:
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>
> And by "old rules", are you referring to executive
> orders that democrats signed or republicans?

No. I know of no reason why Youngkin could not rescind what Northam ordered. What the governor orders, be he Democrat or Republican, isn't decisive though. What matters is who has the power to decide under existing law. There are multiple possibilities here:
1) The Governor gets to decide
2) The local school board gets to decide
3) The governor gets to set the minimum and the local school board can impose additional conditions
4) The course of action is dictated by the findings of some outside entity such as the CDC.

The news reports indicate that the Arlington Circuit Court judge found "The law says that school boards must provide such in-person instruction in a manner in which it adheres, to the maximum extent practicable, to any currently applicable mitigation strategies for early childhood care and education programs and elementary and secondary schools to reduce the transmission of COVID-19 that have been provided by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.” It sounds like that the judge is saying it is a combination of 2 and 4. Whether that is a correct interpretation of what Virginia law actually says....

Any student can wear a mask if he/she/they/xhe chooses to.



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So let the libs children be the ones forced to wear the mask , no ones saying no masks at all

Scratch a Liberal You'll See A Facist

The US was founded on living and let live Liberals can not live together with others who do not submit to their wrongs

Let the science denying Democrats continue to push their junk science. This only helps the Republican gain a super majority in both the US House and Senate this November.

Virginia Constitutional Law Wrote:
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> Quick check. Virginia Code §1-214 and Article IV
> Section 13 of the Virginia Constitution says that
> Emergency Legislation can take effect immediately.
> It also says a 4/5ths vote of each house is
> required for Emergency Legislation.


This week, rules experts have been poring over parliamentary procedures to figure out if that would take a simple majority vote or the four-fifths votes required of most emergency legislation.

Both the House and the Senate clerks, the General Assembly’s experts on legislative rules, confirmed that, under current practice, an emergency clause sent down by Youngkin could pass with simple majority votes. 

Northam did it two years ago.

Let them wear it, if the kid says no mask and the parents say its up to them leave them be

If the parent says mask and the kid does not want it ask them if they are beaten at home

Nuclear Option Wrote:
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> Virginia Constitutional Law Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Quick check. Virginia Code §1-214 and Article
> IV
> > Section 13 of the Virginia Constitution says
> that
> > Emergency Legislation can take effect
> immediately.
> > It also says a 4/5ths vote of each house is
> > required for Emergency Legislation.
>
>
> This week, rules experts have been poring over
> parliamentary procedures to figure out if that
> would take a simple majority vote or the
> four-fifths votes required of most emergency
> legislation.
>
> Both the House and the Senate clerks, the General
> Assembly’s experts on legislative rules,
> confirmed that, under current practice, an
> emergency clause sent down by Youngkin could pass
> with simple majority votes. 
>
> Northam did it two years ago.


Northam did it but he's a democrat so it's cool. If libtards don't like it then Youngkin can't do it. You guys need to learn how this works.

Nuclear Option Wrote:
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> Virginia Constitutional Law Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Quick check. Virginia Code §1-214 and Article
> IV
> > Section 13 of the Virginia Constitution says
> that
> > Emergency Legislation can take effect
> immediately.
> > It also says a 4/5ths vote of each house is
> > required for Emergency Legislation.
>
>
> This week, rules experts have been poring over
> parliamentary procedures to figure out if that
> would take a simple majority vote or the
> four-fifths votes required of most emergency
> legislation.
>
> Both the House and the Senate clerks, the General
> Assembly’s experts on legislative rules,
> confirmed that, under current practice, an
> emergency clause sent down by Youngkin could pass
> with simple majority votes. 
>
> Northam did it two years ago.

It is an interesting point. The language dealing with the effective date of new legislation is quite clear that a 4/5ths majority is required for laws to take effect before July 1. The language dealing with proposed modifications by the governor OTOH only requires a simple majority. Which prevails?

If I had to bet, the same school boards which are insisting on mask mandates will also deny the validity of legislation removing their authority on mask mandates before July 1, unless it passed with the required 4/5ths majority. That means the whole issue will be back in front of the courts.

Which law are you thinking of? I am only aware of one law passed by the Virginia General Assembly that Northan requested be implemented immediately that was not approved by a 4/5ths majority. It was something also covered by Federal law and Virginia Supreme Court rules, so I don't think the validity of the emergency status was challenged.

In a similar situation in the fall of 2020, Democrats used their superior numbers in both chambers to pass emergency protections for Virginians facing eviction when then-Gov. Ralph Northam added an emergency clause. Both chambers approved it by majority vote, over Republican opposition.

That was the only one I was aware of. To clarify, the Virginia Senate passed the legislation by more than a 4/5ths majority, including most Republicans. It was only in the Virginia House of Delegates that the 4/5ths majority was lacking.

It was a stupid idea and probably an unnecessary one. The Virginia Supreme Court already had an eviction moratorium in place. Then there was the problem that by not evicting nonpaying tenants due to the threat of covid they were preventing potential paying tenants from renting those places, and arguably putting them at greater risk of getting covid. Shield one group by exposing another.

Virginia Constitutional Law Wrote:
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> Arlington Circuit Court judge found

The Virginia Supreme Court has already ruled on the matter of the law you are citing. A couple days after the Arlington Circuit Court case, a different case was brought to the Virginia Supreme Court. Some parents were suing to enforce mask mandates, saying (as you say, and that Arlington judge married to the teacher says), that the law requires the schools to follow the CDC recommendations.

The Virginia Supreme Court ruled that (a) the law doesn't say what you imagine it says and (b) the CDC doesn't say what you imagine it says, either. CASE DISMISSED.

The Virginia Supreme Court explicitly did not rule on Youngkin's order, so there might be questions about what orders he can give.

But the Virginia Supreme Court definitely ruled that the law does NOT require masking in schools.

If the Virginia legislature finishes passing the new law, and gets it enacted quickly, then Youngkin's order isn't needed and those cases will be moot. But right now the Governor's office is preparing the appeal of that Circuit decision. And it will go to the Virginia Supreme Court. The basis of the Arlington case was that the law demanded the masking. And Virginia Supreme Court aready shot that down. So it's a forgone conclusion what will happen.

You already lost.

(Apparently you didn't notice, or maybe your media overlords hid or downplayed or distorted the news they fed you.)



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In the end it doesn't matter. The VSC can rule in favor of Youngkin. The General Assembly could pass something and have it take effect tomorrow. It doesn't matter.

Libtards have decided that all that matters is what they believe and what THEY want to do. They don't give a fuck about laws or courts or anything else. They will do whatever they want until they are forcibly removed.

No one is going to take masks off kids who want to wear them still.

You Make Me Sick Wrote:
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> No one is going to take masks off kids who want to
> wear them still.

Yeah, makes it easier to laugh at them and beat them up.

The Democrats all tried to stop it in the House but common sense prevailed. Virginians will remember these intrusive jackbooted Karens come election time.
https://wjla.com/news/coronavirus/bill-to-ban-end-virginia-public-school-mask-mandate-passes-house-heads-to-governors-desk-optional-school-masking-bill-covid-19-glenn-youngkin-jason-miyares