An earlier poster said that "You can't even live in Fairfax County under $100k".

Huh?

You must be outraged at what the county pays these hard-working employees.



STICKLEY,GABRIELE WATROUS HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $14,061.04
WHITTICK,EDNA MELVINA HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $14,060.77
SMITH,JARACY ANN HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $13,689.76
SMITH,BRENDA DYANE HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $13,689.76
PASUPULATI,MELINDA HEATH HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $13,689.76
DELUCA-PHILLIPS,NINA C HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $13,689.76
COTE,KEJON K HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $13,689.76
ALLEN FISCHER,HEIDI LINETTE HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $13,689.76
PHILLIPS,CHERYL JEAN HEALTH ADMIN ASST III $13,209.74
MULLINS,KATHRYN BARBARA HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $11,408.14

To the poster who commented that Fairfax isn't burning down everyday...

It might, just might, be because the fire department is doing its job?

what about them? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> An earlier poster said that "You can't even live
> in Fairfax County under $100k".
>
> Huh?
>
> You must be outraged at what the county pays these
> hard-working employees.




Those are probably part time/seasonal jobs.

Oh No Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Oh no here we go with salaries again and the
> problem is that you all don't know the whole
> story. Wait until you see the overtime that the
> firefighters are making, There some in the
> firefighter rank making over 150K and many
> lieutenants, captains and battalion chiefs making
> close to 200k if not more with overtime. Then we
> have not included the benefits along with some
> great priviledges like phones, computers and many
> cars they take home using county gas everyday.
> There are some really big scams happening in the
> fire and rescue dept they just need to be
> uncovered.




LOL Why are you so angry?

Blessed are the murderous.

Why do you guys keep branding concerned TAXPAYERS as haters, bitter, jealous, etc?

It is so lame and transparent.

We have every right to question inflated salaries when we are the ones paying the salary.

If you want to be overpaid for the work that you do and the contribution you do or don't make to society, go work for a private company.

Stop expecting the taxpayer to fund your retirement when we are struggling to fund our own.

ABER,WILMA T ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $23,725.44
REISER,JUDITH L ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $22,812.92
PERALTA,JOSEPH ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $22,812.92
HENAO,JAIME J. ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $22,812.92
ESCOBAR,CECELIA ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $22,812.92
ENGLISH,WILLIAM H. ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $22,812.92
SMALDONE,GERARD ANTHONY ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $22,554.06
WENGER,JESSICA L ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
SNABLY,KATHERINE CURRY ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
POERIO,ROCHELLE A. ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
KEITH,KAISHA PARIGIN ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
JESSUP,JESSIE KEEN ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
HODGSON,KENT B ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
HALBROOK,STEPHEN DALE ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
GONZALEZ,DANIELA LOURDES ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
FUENTES,RAMIRO CARLOS ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
DAY,JULIE ALYSON ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
BARNES,EDWARD CLEVE ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
ALLEN,MERCEDES E ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
ADAMS,JENNA D ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60

stop the nonsense Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why do you guys keep branding concerned TAXPAYERS
> as haters, bitter, jealous, etc?
>
> It is so lame and transparent.
>
> We have every right to question inflated salaries
> when we are the ones paying the salary.
>
> If you want to be overpaid for the work that you
> do and the contribution you do or don't make to
> society, go work for a private company.
>
> Stop expecting the taxpayer to fund your
> retirement when we are struggling to fund our own.



Who is we? It's just you and your copy/paste of salaries. You keep bringing up retirement over and over and the struggles of taxpayer's funding their own retirement.

I guess you lost a lot of money with some poor investments huh?

what about them? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> An earlier poster said that "You can't even live
> in Fairfax County under $100k".
>
> Huh?
>
> You must be outraged at what the county pays these
> hard-working employees.[/quote]

No, nobody did say that. Now you're making stuff up. Well, more stuff.

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> I guess you lost a lot of money with some poor
> investments huh?

Who hasn't? This includes the county. Difference is we take our loss and their's is covered by tax increases.

I wonder what your agenda is...rather odd, I think, that you are so willing to accept the fact that some county employees are overpaid and that many are underpaid.

For the record, I do quite well financially. We have a limited amount of money we can spend on our county budget. 54% goes to the schools-that is a separate discussion. The rest is allocated based on need and priorities. Most of it is spoken for- for example interest on our bond debt, cost of running facilities, the rest is salaries/benes and pension. The last part is probably 75% of the cost of running the county.

It makes sense to evaluate if we even need all these positions-has our governement gotten too large (many agree on this). We then need to evaluate the compensation that is offered-is it reasonable based on the educational level, expertise, etc. If we privatized our fire and police force-salaries would do a freefall. There are 12 million unemployed people in this country-many who would love to work for the fire department for 60k-forget about $150-200k.

Taxpayers would save hundreds of millions of dollars.

I really don't buy the argument that firefighting is all that complicated and hard to master. I see these guys running around the high school track-I doubt many of them are physically able to fight a fire.

I pay taxes-lots of them. I resent it going to bloated salaries and being lied to by the unions about how "poor" public servants are.

Your dirty union money keeps the politicians at bay and that is how you have managed to swindle the taxpayers.

One of these days-probably very soon-the truth will come out.

> I had no idea that these people were paid so
> little. Hopefully this recession will be behind us
> at some point in the near future and we can boost
> the salary of these dedicated individuals who are
> willing to serve the public at these reduced
> income levels. Remember this is Fairfax county
> where 200k is nearly poverty level. I would hate
> to see us loose these highly talented people to
> other counties or the private sector.


Actually the poster said that $200k is near poverty level

eesh is an idiot Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> For the record, I do quite well financially.

Bullshit. You wouldn't be complaining about your retirement on the internet then.


> The rest is allocated based
> on need and priorities. Most of it is spoken for-
> for example interest on our bond debt, cost of
> running facilities, the rest is salaries/benes and
> pension. The last part is probably 75% of the
> cost of running the county.


Do you really know this? I noticed you like to use the word "probably" in your statistics.


> We then need to
> evaluate the compensation that is offered-is it
> reasonable based on the educational level,
> expertise, etc.


Correct, and the salary that is being paid is competitive. These qualified people would go to another county if they weren't paid well.


> If we privatized our fire and
> police force-salaries would do a freefall. There
> are 12 million unemployed people in this
> country-many who would love to work for the fire
> department for 60k-forget about $150-200k.


I doubt all those unemployed people meet the qualifications, physical, mental, etc. Also, privatizing these public services would create even more competition for qualified employees, which would drive up salaries.

DUH!


> I really don't buy the argument that firefighting
> is all that complicated and hard to master. I see
> these guys running around the high school track-I
> doubt many of them are physically able to fight a
> fire.



Have you seen them in action, fighting fires? Or do you just stare at them at the track?



> One of these days-probably very soon-the truth
> will come out.


Dun DUn DUUUUUUNNNN!!!

eesh is an idiot Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I really don't buy the argument that firefighting
> is all that complicated and hard to master. I see
> these guys running around the high school track-I
> doubt many of them are physically able to fight a
> fire.

See, now I know that:
a) You don't know what you're talking about.
b) You're not very intelligent.
c) You're not interested in dialogue, you're on a vendetta for God knows what reason.

Kardinal Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> eesh is an idiot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I really don't buy the argument that
> firefighting
> > is all that complicated and hard to master. I
> see
> > these guys running around the high school
> track-I
> > doubt many of them are physically able to fight
> a
> > fire.
>
> See, now I know that:
> a) You don't know what you're talking about.
> b) You're not very intelligent.
> c) You're not interested in dialogue, you're on a
> vendetta for God knows what reason.


I think the person that started this thread and is continuously posting under different names probably was turned down for a county job. Probably a firefighter position, since this moron keeps complaining about firemens' salaries and "lack of education" for such good pay.

Now, he or she is stuck in some low pay service or retail job, and is on a mission to expose public employees that make decent salaries.

I think eesh is a fat, lazy, stupid, retired firefighter who is glad he was able to rape and pillage the county taxpayer and doesn't give a crap about anyone but himself.

Oh, and he is an anti-social loner who has nothing better to do but post on the FU all day and night.

today he has 12 posts
yesterday 36
Sunday 36

I guess he has noone in his life. Poor lonely, pathetic man.

I almost pity him.

what is eesh about? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I think eesh is a fat, lazy, stupid, retired
> firefighter who is glad he was able to rape and
> pillage the county taxpayer and doesn't give a
> crap about anyone but himself.
>
> Oh, and he is an anti-social loner who has nothing
> better to do but post on the FU all day and
> night.
>
> today he has 12 posts
> yesterday 36
> Sunday 36
>
> I guess he has noone in his life. Poor lonely,
> pathetic man.
>
> I almost pity him.



OH SNAP!

No, not a firefighter, but I respect what they do for a living and wonder why some tool is criticizing them on the internet. You're going after firefighters of all people!

I'm glad I struck a nerve so bad you went out of your way to count how many posts I made on certain days. Was it the comment I made about you being rejected for a county job? Or was it when I made fun of you for having a piece of shit 401k?

LOL

GRIFFIN,ANTHONY H COUNTY EXECUTIVE COUNTY EXECUTIVE $240,186.13
LONG,EDWARD L COUNTY EXECUTIVE DEP COUNTY EXECUTIVE $195,039.73
MOLCHANY,DAVID J COUNTY EXECUTIVE DEP COUNTY EXECUTIVE $188,470.46
STALZER,ROBERT A. COUNTY EXECUTIVE DEP COUNTY EXECUTIVE $187,577.31
HARRISON,PATRICIA DEAN COUNTY EXECUTIVE DEP COUNTY EXECUTIVE $175,000.18
BYRON,BARBARA A COUNTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, OCRR $146,198.62
CHIANESE,CATHERINE A COUNTY EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT COUNTY EXECUTIVE $135,057.94
MITTEREDER,SUSAN E COUNTY EXECUTIVE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR $132,796.77
PIETSCH,CHRISTOPHER J. COUNTY EXECUTIVE DIR INTERNAL AUDIT $128,182.50
AGAZI,KAMBIZ COUNTY EXECUTIVE ENVIRONMENTAL COORDINATOR $125,539.86
STEVENS,PATRICIA MARIE COUNTY EXECUTIVE EXEC DIR OFFICE OF PARTNSHPS $123,000.18
HAGG,ELIZABETH ANNE COUNTY EXECUTIVE DEPUTY DIRECTOR, OCRR $120,758.98
FOUT,JOHN B COUNTY EXECUTIVE DEP DIRECTOR INTERNAL AUDIT $120,758.98
ARNDT,SHARON D COUNTY EXECUTIVE HEALTH PROMOTION/PRIVACY COORD $119,790.74
HARWOOD,KAREN J COUNTY EXECUTIVE ASST COUNTY ATTORNEY V $115,200.00
HICKLIN,INGRID PARRIS COUNTY EXECUTIVE PROGRAM MANAGER $109,215.60
PRIBADI,SHARON ANN COUNTY EXECUTIVE AUDITOR IV $104,167.65
ROONEY,BRENDA L COUNTY EXECUTIVE INFORMATION SYSTEMS AUDITOR $102,724.75
ELLIS,DAVID COUNTY EXECUTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD/COMM BLDG COORD $101,936.64
MCGILL,AMANDA S COUNTY EXECUTIVE PROGRAM & PROCEDURES COORD $101,895.04
ARKO,CLAUDIA H COUNTY EXECUTIVE LEGISLATIVE LIAISON $97,981.73
BEEMAN,JEFFREY SCOTT COUNTY EXECUTIVE AUDITOR III $97,755.01
SAULSBURY,MICHAEL P COUNTY EXECUTIVE AUDITOR III $97,485.02
SHABAN,KAREN R COUNTY EXECUTIVE PROGRAM & PROCEDURES COORD $95,183.92
SIZER,SCOTT M COUNTY EXECUTIVE REVITALIZATION COMMUNITY DEV $92,382.16
GOUTAM,ANDREA ELIZABETH COUNTY EXECUTIVE AUDITOR III $86,225.15
HILL,BRIDGET FAIRCHILD COUNTY EXECUTIVE REVITALIZATION COMMUNITY DEV $84,574.46
CARRERA,ROSARIO A COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST III $83,159.02
SHEARD,ANN L COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST II $82,587.02
WANG,YI COUNTY EXECUTIVE INFORMATION SYSTEMS AUDITOR $81,497.31
WALZ-FUENTES,KAREN SUE COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST III $81,314.27
PESSAUD,VIRGINIA S COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST III $76,458.72
SCHAUWEKER,ANGELA CLEARY COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST II $76,410.05
HAVACH,JOANN COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSOCIATE $73,878.69
FLIS,MATTHEW J COUNTY EXECUTIVE REVITALIZATION COMMUNITY DEV $73,507.20
KELLY,ADAM C COUNTY EXECUTIVE GEOG INFO SPATIAL ANALYST II $73,243.66
ZAVELA,VANCE S COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST III $71,293.25
BOYLE,KATHLEEN T COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST III $68,317.39
STEWART,REGINA COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT V $67,233.50
ARMANI,TARA KALANTARY COUNTY EXECUTIVE INFORMATION SYSTEMS AUDITOR $64,827.78
BROWN,RICKY LEON COUNTY EXECUTIVE AUDITOR III $63,649.04
ROBINSON,SUSAN STANNERS COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT V $63,334.13
MAZZOLI,KAREN ELAINE COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT V $62,399.17
CASTOR,DIONNE ELIZABETH COUNTY EXECUTIVE COMMUNICATIONS SPECIALIST II $61,499.98
COOPER,MARTHA J COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT V $59,724.50
SHAW,SUSAN ANN COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT V $54,852.51
BENINCASA,THERESA ALBEN COUNTY EXECUTIVE INFO TECHNOLOGY EDUCATOR II $51,715.08
JENSEN,DEBORRAH COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMIN ASST IV $50,304.80
HALL,LUCIA BOWES COUNTY EXECUTIVE REVITALIZATION COMMUNITY DEV $44,104.32
DE LA VEGA,MARITZA BETHSABE COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMIN ASST IV $41,772.02
HARLESS,DARLENE B COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMIN ASST II $39,802.88
KILEY,EVELYN M COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST II $39,281.09
REID,MONICA L COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST I $35,880.00
ALLEN,ANGELA SAULSBURY COUNTY EXECUTIVE REVITALIZATION COMMUNITY DEV $35,094.14
FARWELL,CRISTIN COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST I $33,584.10
WALLS,MARY JANE COUNTY EXECUTIVE WORK STUDENT III $24,960.00
DABSON,MEREDITH K COUNTY EXECUTIVE WORK STUDENT I $10,735.87


We have a Board of Supervisors which oversees much of what is done.

Do we really need all these people?

So are you saying they shouldn't be running on the track? How much sense does that make to complain about firefighters working on being physically fit and healthy??

Sorry, first post got all screwed up...

So are you saying they shouldn't be running on the track? How much sense does that make to complain about firefighters working on being physically fit and healthy??
Howabout we also complain about cops going to the shooting range? What about our armed forces too? Should we expect them not to constantly train and practice every day? WTF is your problem dude?

God bless those who put their lives on the line for us.

I think if a job requires you to be physically fit-then you should be physically fit.

Why should they exercise while they are on the clock?

Do it on your own time, like the rest of us do.

As far as those who can't run a mile because you haven't bothered to stay in shape-you get fired. Very simple. The job requires you to keep fit, you chose not to, go find another job.

job requirements Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I think if a job requires you to be physically
> fit-then you should be physically fit.
>
> Why should they exercise while they are on the
> clock?
>
> Do it on your own time, like the rest of us do.




How do you know they aren't running on their lunch break? Besides, it is an investment on the fire department's part to allow their employees to exercise, just as a police officer is paid while going to the firing range.

Your thought processes are skewed to say the least.

EDIT: Fixed grammar.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/27/2010 12:28PM by eesh.

The fire department tests every single employee every other year for physical fitness for duty. If you fail you get to retest once and after that it's the unemployment line.

I can tell that you don't understand fitness enough to know that its important to do every day. You cant do what those guys do when you only get to work out on your days off

WALZ-FUENTES,KAREN SUE COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST III $81,314.27
PESSAUD,VIRGINIA S COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST III $76,458.72
SCHAUWEKER,ANGELA CLEARY COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST II $76,410.05

That makes no sense. If I was VA, I'd raise hell.

Starchild Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> WALZ-FUENTES,KAREN SUE COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT
> ANALYST III $81,314.27
> PESSAUD,VIRGINIA S COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT
> ANALYST III $76,458.72
> SCHAUWEKER,ANGELA CLEARY COUNTY EXECUTIVE
> MANAGEMENT ANALYST II $76,410.05
>
> That makes no sense. If I was VA, I'd raise hell.



Well Starchild, what does make sense? What does Starchild think management analysts should make?

VRS changes may hurt W&M retirees

By Steve Vaughan

Saturday, July 10, 2010 2:15 AM EDT
WILLIAMSBURG — New changes in the way late-career raises at the College of William & Mary are treated by the Virginia Retirement System have the potential to seriously disrupt the plans of current, and former, faculty.

“There are between 20 and 50 people to whom this is just devastating,” said Stephen Knudson, a chemistry professor at the college. “I know that some people are having to rethink their retirement plans. And I’m one of them.”

For decades, the college has provided 7% and 8% raises to retiring employees during their last two years, even during periods when a state pay freeze was in effect. The effect was to bump their retirement benefits, which VRS formerly calculated on the average of the last three years’ salary. Because of changes enacted by this year’s General Assembly, VRS now calculates benefits for future employees based on their last five years.

But eliminating the W&M pay bumps from pension consideration wasn’t a result of changes to the law.

W&M, the only public college in Virginia known to provide the spiffs, has apparently been violating the law for decades by using the raises to boost pensions.

“I don’t know how this could happen,” said Clyde Haulman, Williamsburg’s mayor as well as a professor of economics. “The state law is very clear.”

Both Haulman and Knudson question why it was only now the program, which paid the raises for the last two years out of private funds and not tax dollars, had been noted by the VRS.

Possibly it came about as a result of a review of VRS procedures that led to changes in VRS benefits for new employees to save money and help fill a $4 billion hole in the state budget.

Knudson wasn’t buying it.

“If they did it to save money then I’d say that’s illegal,” he said in a phone interview. “They are required to craft a budget that pays the obligations of the Commonwealth.”

The state would no doubt argue that it wasn’t a legitimately incurred obligation.

Although the college used private money to fund the spiffs, VRS was left with the liability for the increased retirement benefits. For even moderately paid professors, the difference in pension payments amounted to hundreds of dollars a month.

To Knudson that doesn’t justify taking them away from employees who have already earned them. That includes employees who have already retired, because VRS disallowed the increased benefits retroactive to 2006.

That, Knudson said, has made him rethink his own retirement plans.

“I’d planned to retire this year, but now I don’t know,” he said.

That’s because the changes in the benefits are not trivial.

“It’s real money,” Haulman said.

In Knudson’s case, he said it amounted to losing about one month’s worth of benefits per year.

He’s angry about the way the cut was sprung on employees.

Although the bumps only applied to employees who had already signed retirement papers, Haulman said they might be allowed to rethink their decision since VRS changed the retirement agreement.

The college has said employees will continue to get the increases, although they will no longer count toward VRS benefits.

Haulman said the changes to the college’s benefits and the changes to state VRS benefits for new employees signal a big change in the works.

“It’s probably the end of defined benefit plans as we know them,” he said.

Defined benefit plans, traditional pensions, have already fallen out of use in the private sector, replaced by defined contribution plans, such as the ubiquitous 401k.

tl;dr

Starchild Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> WALZ-FUENTES,KAREN SUE COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT
> ANALYST III $81,314.27
> PESSAUD,VIRGINIA S COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT
> ANALYST III $76,458.72
> SCHAUWEKER,ANGELA CLEARY COUNTY EXECUTIVE
> MANAGEMENT ANALYST II $76,410.05
>
> That makes no sense. If I was VA, I'd raise hell.



Do you think they should be paid more or less?

"William & Mary cheats"

Your post is an evil wall of text!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/27/2010 02:04PM by Elle Diabla.
Attachments:

This is what Montgomery County pays their Health Room Aides-


SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00

That's crazy!!!



























...how many times you posted that phrase, that is

So we go from attacking Fairfax firefighters, to copying and pasting an article about a college, now we're copy/pasting Montgomery County salaries.

You have the attention span of a one week old puppy.

Blessed are the murderous.

This is the range of salaries for Fairfax County Crossing Guards:

CRAVEN,APRIL T. POLICE SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD $24,687.31
TSIANAKAS,PERISTERA POLICE SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD $22,195.68
WILLIAMS,JOYCE A POLICE SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD $11,097.84
PATTEN,CATHY L POLICE SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD $11,097.84

This is what Montgomery County MD pays crossing guards:

ALTOBELLI,ELENI DENMAN CROSSING GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
ANDRE,JOSEPHINE N CROSSING GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
WILLEMS,DEBORAH F. CROSSING GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
WOOD,ARTEMIS H CROSSING GUARD POLICE $46,567.00


Where is the police union in Fairfax????

Funny how they take care of the uniformed cops but let the crossing guards get screwed.

Maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with the first names of the workers.

THEY ARE ALL WOMEN.

I guess they need to fend for themselves.

What year is this anyways? 1960?

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So we go from attacking Fairfax firefighters, to
> copying and pasting an article about a college,
> now we're copy/pasting Montgomery County
> salaries.
>
> You have the attention span of a one week old
> puppy.

And like a puppy, you are all over it.

I am sure if the cops or firemen in FC were getting paid half of what a neighboring jurisdiction paid-they would be all over the BOS.

Heck-Bulova is bought and paid for already based on the last election cycle.

FirePAC Local 2068 Inc contributed $13,500 to her in 2009.

MoCo vs FC in the library division wage front

MOCO-high end salaries

HAMILTON,BETTY PARKER DIR DEPT PUBLIC LIBRARY PUBLIC LIBRARIES $190,000.00
GALE,ROSWITA W. MANAGER II PUBLIC LIBRARIES $132,921.00
LEGARRETA,CAROL C MANAGER II PUBLIC LIBRARIES $127,492.00
BAIRDADAMS,JAN MANAGER III PUBLIC LIBRARIES $115,901.00

MOCO low-end salaries

JIA,YI LIBRARY AIDE PUBLIC LIBRARIES $28,116.00
RAMET,TADELECH LIBRARY AIDE PUBLIC LIBRARIES $28,116.00
TRACENRIDER,LARISHA D LIBRARY AIDE PUBLIC LIBRARIES $28,116.00


FC-high end salaries-

CLAY,EDWIN S LIBRARY DIR COUNTY LIBRARY $165,403.47
GOODWIN,JANE G LIBRARY DEP DIRECTOR LIBRARY $132,796.77

FC-low-end salaries
AHMED,MOHAMMAD SHOIEB LIBRARY LIBRARY AIDE $15,305.89
ABDI,SHUKRI IBRAHIM LIBRARY LIBRARY AIDE $15,305.89
YRISARRY,DOLORES LIBRARY ADMIN ASST I $14,341.70


Once again, FC pays nearly half of what MOCO pays on the low-end of the range.


Three different job areas-crossing guards, school health room aides and now librarians-all dominated by women.

Can anyone spell DISCRIMINATION?

I wish I knew what to do but my neighbor and his wife work for the fire department and their daughter told us they make over 300K a year! Now that I saw their names on here I can't fricking believe they make that and then some.

Is there anyway to find out how much these life savers make with their overtime? I'm a Pentagon engineer with a masters making 84k and there are basic firefighters making 150k with overtime!

Oh and they get take home cars but we never see them go to any fires. WTF!

really unfair Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is the range of salaries for Fairfax County Crossing Guards:
>
> CRAVEN,APRIL T. POLICE
> SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD
> $24,687.31
> TSIANAKAS,PERISTERA POLICE
> SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD
> $22,195.68
> WILLIAMS,JOYCE A POLICE
> SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD
> $11,097.84
> PATTEN,CATHY L POLICE
> SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD
> $11,097.84
>
> This is what Montgomery County MD pays crossing
> guards:
>
> ALTOBELLI,ELENI DENMAN CROSSING
> GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
> ANDRE,JOSEPHINE N CROSSING GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
>
> WILLEMS,DEBORAH F. CROSSING
> GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
> WOOD,ARTEMIS H CROSSING GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
>
>
> Where is the police union in Fairfax????
>
> Funny how they take care of the uniformed cops but
> let the crossing guards get screwed.
>
> Maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with the
> first names of the workers.
>
> THEY ARE ALL WOMEN.
>
> I guess they need to fend for themselves.
>
> What year is this anyways? 1960?

Something wrong with these figures. Not that it wouldn't be outrageous if we knew the truth but I don't think this comparison is apples to apples. How many hours a day does a crossing guard work? 2? At 3 hours/5 days/52 weeks even the FC guards would be $30+ per hour. As to the other posting, they all make sense and they are outrageous.

Montgomery County is paying their school crossing guards more than Fairfax does?


WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?

Clobbersaurus Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Montgomery County is paying their school crossing
> guards more than Fairfax does?
>
>
> WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?





LOL It looks like Montgomery County considers their crossing guards police, while Fairfax uses guards. So.....the Maryland schools have real police assigned in school crossings, while Virginia just has someone in an uniform that works only a few hours a day.

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> LOL It looks like Montgomery County considers
> their crossing guards police, while Fairfax uses
> guards. So.....the Maryland schools have real
> police assigned in school crossings, while
> Virginia just has someone in an uniform that works
> only a few hours a day.

Yeah eesh, I guess you think that job is worth at least $60.00 per hour

change in last decade Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Fairfax Pays 24 Employees More Than $100,000 Each;
> County Tops Area Governments in High-Salaried
> Workers
>
> The Washington Post | October 3, 1996 | Tod
> Robberson
>
>
> Notice the headline from 1996?
>
> Fairfax County now pays nearly 800 employees over
> $100,000.
>
> Has the private sector had wage growth like this?

No way...we've all taken cuts and always funded our own retirement.

these lists do not include the people who REALLY do all the work and get paid $48,000 (Police and Fire) that are all at the low end of the pole.

man-up people Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I find it amusing that when the economy is doing
> well, no one could care less about what the civil
> servants are doing let along what they make as
> long as they're making more $$$ than them and look
> down on them. You see it's just like the old
> parable about the Grasshopper and the Ant. The
> Grasshopper lives for the moment and doesn't save
> any food at all, while the Ant is constantly
> storing it away for the future.

The amazing part is that not only are these folks (grasshoppers) paid handsomely...they also get a DEFINED BENEFIT plan which the private sector eliminated back in the late 80's. Taxpayers will be paying pensions for DECADES. These folks didn't have to save a dime toward retirement. The retirement plans have COLAS...unbelievable!! There is no way an administrative assistant or accountant in the private sector (ants) even has a chance of matching this comp package.

It would be interesting to see how many of these people are fat. Should find and post any pics out there with salaries captioned below

"It would be interesting to see how many of these people are fat. Should find and post any pics out there with salaries captioned below"



I'll bet the fattest ones are the ones making the least amount of money. The big money guys are in charge so they can leave and work out whenever they want at nice gyms. They can also afford fresh fruits and vegetables.

It's true. The more money you make, the thinner you are---they put a few token fat people at the top---but mostly not.

Its a known fact that firefighters have other jobs. They work 2 on 2 off, 2 on and 3 off. Since the vast majority of their time is spent washing firetrucks, shopping at grocery stores (we have all seen them), cooking and sleeping, they are rested for their "real" job. It's an issue in every large US city/county. The city administrators try to fight for a reasonable outcome but there's not much they can do in the face of the "legend" of firefighters. Its the biggest racket on the planet. Public employees still have defined benefit plans which the private sector eliminated in the 80s. These folks don't have to save a dime for retirement..the plans have COLAs! Their salaries are competitive, not below the private sector. An administrative assistant or degreed accountant in the private sector will never match those benefits. It's time for citizens (just like shareholders) to take back control!!

iwantafxjob Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> An administrative assistant
> or degreed accountant in the private sector will
> never match those benefits.


WTF are you talking about?

Accounting can be a very-well paying career choice, and just having an undergraduate in accounting makes you very marketable in a job search.

Blessed are the murderous.

Wait...
So fucking what if they go to the grocery store? They need to eat too? And they're there for 24 hours at a time. Wtf are they suppose to do? Take a lunch break while your loved ones drive drunk into a tree while fisting themselves?

And why can't they sleep? I forgot to mention that while thinking of Amanda wenk self-fisting herself...

What is the goal of this posting? Who cares of firefirghters are making 150k a year? They are going to save your fat ass.

I am always shocked at the number of stupid people out there.

1. The county has no more money.

2. We are in the worst recession in the last 70 years and will probably stay here for some time.

3. Fairfax County and neighboring Montgomery, Loudoun and Howard are the wealthiest counties in the US for ONE reason-government and contracting jobs. We don't have oil under the ground or large manufacturing plants-our eceonomy is heavily dependent on these govt jobs which have seen explosive increases in salaries over the last 20 years-far above inflation.

4. Beacause of these bloated salaries-far above the national (forget global-different discussion alltogether) averages-home prices have risen accordingly. High wages..high home prices...high home prices...high wages needed. Do you understand the connection?

5. States will experience a cliff in funding next year-no more federal stimulus money...now where will they cut? We could close the rest stops or our schools,maybe? 80% of the budget goes to salaries/benes/pension-huh, maybe we should trim our work force. What impact will that have??

6. National unemployment is 10-12%, some say higher because people have given up looking for work and are no longer counted. Here-not as bad, 6-7%...why? anyone? Government jobs-good job, you guys are learning.

7. So Va has no more money, Fairfax County is tapped out, so they start laying people off-like the firemen who make $150k. What happens? Well, unemployment rate goes up more in line with national average, people have no money to spend, lose their homes and move out of this expensive area.

8. People leave, housing plummets, tax base disappears, more cuts are needed.

You guys are brainless if you don't think that this is where we are headed.

The government can't create jobs. Interest rates are at zero. Where is the stimulus coming from?

The sooner we get these overpaid public employees off the public rolls the better off we will be and the downward spiral will be less severe.

And to the poster who said that by privatizing the police/fire department would cause salaries to increase-you are a moron.

Oh boy, here comes the retarded user that thinks firemen are scumbags and pensions are leading the country to hell in a handbasket.



"And to the poster who said that by privatizing the police/fire department would cause salaries to increase-you are a moron."


Well "Econ 101", show some numbers that dispute what I said. This is coming from someone that stated yesterday that unemployment will be solved by privatizing the police force. Go figure.

Blessed are the murderous.

eesh is getting phukkin owned....I mean, they are crammin facts and figures right down his throat...fun to watch....

Hey econ,

Back up the numbers that they are overpaid. Saying they are, doesn't mean they are...Numbers,apples to apples, stuff like that, you know FACTS.

Pay less, get less, become PG County.

Snerdley Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> eesh is getting phukkin owned....I mean, they are
> crammin facts and figures right down his
> throat...fun to watch....


LOL! Please actually provide figures to back up your statements, and not just words like "probably" or copying and pasting salaries.

$100K? For a firefighter who puts their life on the line? Millions of dollars for an actor who will sometimes ACT like they're dying? Seriously, for these people, including police officers and all other people of the sort, to be paid $90k, $100k++, does not suffice. Get over it!

eesh wrote

"LOL! Please actually provide figures to back up your statements, and not just words like "probably" or copying and pasting salaries"

ROFLMAO!! Puh-leeeze. Provide some actual figure to back up your lame ass comments, and don't just make childishly simplistic denials. Pffft....

Snerdley Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> eesh wrote
>
> "LOL! Please actually provide figures to back up
> your statements, and not just words like
> "probably" or copying and pasting salaries"
>
> ROFLMAO!! Puh-leeeze. Provide some actual figure
> to back up your lame ass comments, and don't just
> make childishly simplistic denials. Pffft....



Still waiting for you to explain why these employees don't deserve these incomes, and why you single out firefighters. Then you can explain the statement that privatizing the police and fire department will reduce costs.

Blessed are the murderous.

Out of mere curiosity, have the salaries of the Fairfax County Public Schools employees ever been posted online?

eesh-

How about this story in the NY Times-


July 1, 2010,

The State Budget Disaster
By MICHAEL POWELL

An already storm-tossed economy is about to receive a thorough drenching, as states across the nation face a collective budget shortfall of $140 billion this summer.

The details, contained in a new report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities are sobering, not the least for what they suggest about the fragility of the national recovery. Tax receipts — property, income, you name it — have dwindled and dwindled some more, the federal stimulus gas tank is near empty, and as many as 900,000 workers could lose their jobs as a result of state budget-cutting in the coming fiscal year.

Nor is there much help on the way.

Deficit hawks are in the ascendancy in Washington, where taking a tough line against more aid to states and to the millions of long-term unemployed has become a curious sort of litmus test for many politicians. Congress has refused to extend jobless benefits — which puts money directly into the pockets of the hard-pressed — and declined to extend an enhanced federal match for Medicaid that 30 states, New York and California among them, were counting on to help balance their budgets.

And as the national Census winds down, thousands more workers will lose temporary jobs. And, in a case of dark clouds growing darker, the center projects that the 2011 budget gaps will grow yet worse again.

Ask Nicholas Johnson, director of the center’s state fiscal project, if he divines any silver lining in his report and he pauses a disconcertingly long time.

“Tax receipts over all have stopped falling, but that’s at a very low point,” he says. “If that is a sign of light, it’s still at the end of a very long and dangerous tunnel.”

Well, thanks for that.

Now, at least one new study from the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco suggests that however great the pain in the states, the local suffering will not stop the national economic recovery.

“State fiscal crises aren’t likely to go away soon and will probably get worse before they get better,” the authors state. “The solutions states employ to close projected budget gaps will have painful effects on state residents and businesses but pose a more modest risk to the national recovery.”

But that is perhaps a too optimistic take. The state and local government sector is vast, and now employs nearly 20 million people, or 15 percent of the national total. The great majority of those employees fall within the definitional boundaries of middle and working class, and their paychecks are fuel in the economy’s gas tank.

Nor are layoffs the only damage. David Rosenberg, chief economist for Gluskin Sheff + Associates and an economic bear, notes in his daily economic report that nine states so far have enacted sweeping changes in pension funds, and many more legislatures are pushing for higher monthly contributions, an older retirement age and diminished cost-of-living adjustments.

Such changes may be necessary to his view. But, he notes, these so-called reforms amount to a hidden and significant tax on middle-class workers.

“Employee contributions are going up — a de facto tax hike — and this will work directly against any upturn in consumer spending,” he said.

(This come at a time of ever-increasing income concentration at the very top of the income scale, and an ever-growing gap between the top 1 percent and everyone else, as demonstrated by another recent Center on Budget and Policy Priorities report.)

This is a point that Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody’s Analytics, underlines in a recent piece in The Philadelphia Inquirer, in which he warns against the too-easy assumption that the states can limp by.

“Without more aid, states and cities will have no choice but to raise taxes and slash jobs and services, which could cut short the still-fragile economic recovery and trigger renewed recession,” he said. “Governments would have no effective way of responding at that point.”

I rather overpay on local taxes since you are more likely to see the results with local tax dollars than State or Federal. Sure we may overpay cops but how is our crime rate, or our EMT response times, or how are parks are run..ect...

Those great benefit pakages.....mine is as result of paying 14% of my salry into the account for more than 10 years and recently it has been reduced to 8%....that is not exactly not paying a dime for the benefits.

Can someone post the link to the most recent salary list? Please.




Found it. Please disregard request:)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/28/2010 01:43PM by Yahweh.

The above article predicts a possible loss of 900,000 public sector jobs nationwide.

I can't believe Virginia-or Fairfax County would be part of this. Our economy is ROCK SOLID. We have none of those dark clouds over us. We are insulated from all of that stuff.

Heck, we have a printing press that makes money over at the government center-didn't you know?

We will just print money to pay these outlandish salaries since we can't run a budget deficit. The state is looking at a $1.3 billion deficit next year, the federal governement has a $13 trillion deficit, heck printing money or raising taxes is the only way we can keep this game going.

Can't raise taxes on the unemployed, so print away!!

Fairfax low-end salary range

SONG,GRACE HWAKANG SYSTEMS MGMT FOR HUMAN SVCS SOCIAL WORKER II $26,027.98
ENDERSBEE,JULIE BETH SYSTEMS MGMT FOR HUMAN SVCS SOCIAL WORKER II $29,782.58
OWINGS,NANCY C SYSTEMS MGMT FOR HUMAN SVCS SOCIAL WORKER II $37,049.90

Fairfax high-end range

PETERSON,LINDA A SYSTEMS MGMT FOR HUMAN SVCS SOCIAL WORKER II $79,732.85
PETZOLD,JANICE T SYSTEMS MGMT FOR HUMAN SVCS SOCIAL WORKER II $80,003.25

Same title, Social Worker II. I wonder why one makes three times more?

Is this related to longevity?

By JUDY LIN
The Associated Press
Wednesday, July 28, 2010; 4:26 PM

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Wednesday brought back furloughs for thousands of state workers until California passes a budget.

Schwarzenegger released a new executive order requiring state workers to take three unpaid days off per month starting next month. State workers were furloughed a total of 46 days when Schwarzenegger issued a similar order in February 2009, which translated to a pay cut of about 14 percent for workers.

It's unclear how long the latest round of furloughs could last, as Schwarzenegger and lawmakers enter the fifth week of the new fiscal year without a balanced budget.

"Without a budget in place that addresses our $19 billion budget deficit, every day of delay brings California closer to a fiscal meltdown," Schwarzenegger said in a statement. "Our cash situation leaves me no choice but to once again furlough state workers until the Legislature produces a budget I can sign."


State Controller John Chiang has warned he will start issuing IOUs in August or September if the budget stalemate drags on in the Legislature. Chiang said the cash-saving measure is necessary because the state is projected to run out of cash in October.

The new order exempts employees who work for departments that collect revenue, such as the Franchise Tax Board, and public safety agencies, including the California Highway Patrol.

It also exempts about 37,000 workers in six unions that recently reached tentative labor agreements with the administration.

The state has about 237,000 workers.

The furlough puts pressure on remaining unions that have not agreed to the governor's demands for pension reforms. Unions have also been fighting the governor's efforts to impose the federal minimum wage while the state operates without a budget.

"To once again force state employees to take unpaid furloughs is just another punitive measure by Gov. Schwarzenegger because he couldn't impose minimum wage," said Patty Velez, president of the California Association of Professional Scientists, which represents 3,000 state employees.

The state Assembly's Republican leader, Martin Garrick, said Democrats who control the Legislature were to blame because they have refused to make cuts that Republicans, including Schwarzenegger, have demanded.

"I believe they've brought it on themselves and their constituents - and mine - that have been furloughed, because they haven't made the reductions," he said in a telephone interview. "The longer we go, the deeper the cuts have to be."

Democrats have vowed to protect education and social service programs, such as CalWORKS, the state's welfare-to-work program. They have proposed delaying corporate tax breaks and a new oil tax.

not Fairfax County wrote:

"Can't raise taxes on the unemployed, so print away!!"


Can you say hyperinflation?

Fairfax County will suffer.

Me22 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> And why can't they sleep? I forgot to mention that
> while thinking of Amanda wenk self-fisting
> herself...

FYI...many of the positions referenced in these posts are PART-TIME positions. For example, many Library Aide positions are 20 hours. School Crossing Guards are another example.

POSTER, ANONYMOUS SENIOR MORON SPECIALIST IV $0.00

Post Fairfax County Public Schools' Employee Salaries, please!

Good luck getting the salaries and job titles of the FCPS high earners. They should be public information, but they seem to be "top secret". You might have to do an FOIA filing to get them. You can only know what the poor teachers make.

I think what you would find incredible is what their job titles are and what they do (or don't do). I wonder if the dang SB even knows.

I recall seeing FCPS teacher salaries published in a local paper (The Fairfax Journal) years ago and it caused quite a scandal. We knew a married couple, both long-time FCPS teachers, who constantly claimed dire financial straits, low salaries for long hours and acted like they were living the life of a pauper. Lo and behold, we were all shocked to read that they were high earners among FCPS staff, based upon their seniority alone.

I think we'd all be shocked at how much our public school teachers make.

What do you mean "based upon their seniority alone"?? If teachers got no seniority increases, nobody would ever go into the profession. If there were no seniority increases, it would be like saying that an experienced teacher is not worth any more than a first year teacher.

Your neighbors must have been old enough to have seniority pay that made a difference. In fact, you say that they were long-time teachers. Should people make more or less at the end of a career?

You say "Lo and behold, we were all shocked to read that they were high earners"---well, What did you expect---that they would be low earners after so many years?

Get real. I think you would not be shocked to learn how much teachers make. They start at around 45K and most never get beyond 85K---and it partly depends on what level of education they have. Do you think 85K is a lot?

Would you expect your salary to double over the course of your career (30 years or so) as a professional?

And if your neighbors had so much money, why were they acting like paupers---as you say? It sounds to me like they were pretty much middle class (as they should be) and maybe they were frugal and trying to save money (like lots of people do).

Virginia has made the wise choice of eliminating the college major of education.

This will help. We need to attract the best and brightest as teachers. Encourage brilliant minds to teach. Continue recruiting new teachers from non-traditional fields like the military, business, the sciences. One of the best teachers I know had a mid-life crisis/epiphany and left a six figure salary in the corporate world to follow her dream and now teaches very young children. She's one of the smartest people I know, period.

The teacher unions hate the idea, but we need a minimum competency requirement for all teachers. Yearly. As a college graduate, you should know the fundamentals of grammar, usage, arithmetic and basic business writing.

Sounds trite, but teachers really need to dress professionally. My kindergarten teacher wore a dress or skirt every day, yet she was still on the floor with the kids and maintained her dignity. Compare that to the first day of kindergarten when my little one announced that her teacher had a "belly tattoo" -- visible because teacher raised her hands to demonstrate something.

It is hard to tell differentiate teachers from the students. Lanyards are often my only aid. Tee shirts and jeans and shorts are standard fare. I dress nicely for parent-teacher conferences and make certain that I never look like I'm going on a picnic when coming in to volunteer.

They aint got no union in Virginia.

Grit wrote:

"Sounds trite, but teachers really need to dress professionally. My kindergarten teacher wore a dress or skirt every day, yet she was still on the floor with the kids and maintained her dignity. Compare that to the first day of kindergarten when my little one announced that her teacher had a "belly tattoo" -- visible because teacher raised her hands to demonstrate something."

I had a fourth grade teacher and I really would have preferred that she NOT wear a skirt or dress everyday (it was back in the days when all women/girls had to wear a dress or skirt to school). Her legs were hideously huge and full of veins. Please don't make having good looking legs be a new requirement for teachers---along with all the other things the public seems to want.

Also, if the teachers have a strict dress code, so should the students. They should have to wear skirts and dresses also (no tee shirts or jeans). If the "dress police" are out there, it has to be for everyone.

And yes, I do think you are focusing on the wrong thing with this.

Puh-leez. My point is that if you want to be seen as and treated like the professional you are or aspire to be, dress the part. I'm fine with students wearing a uniform, even in FCPS.

Have some respect for yourself and your profession. If you have a tattoo, cover it during your workday as a teacher.

I'm not suggesting that FCPS wear business suits/skirted suits - but there is certainly a way to dress professionally in comfortable, washable clothes.

Sloppy clothes = sloppy attitudes.

really unfair Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is the range of salaries for Fairfax County
> Crossing Guards:
>
> CRAVEN,APRIL T. POLICE
> SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD
> $24,687.31
> TSIANAKAS,PERISTERA POLICE
> SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD
> $22,195.68
> WILLIAMS,JOYCE A POLICE
> SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD
> $11,097.84
> PATTEN,CATHY L POLICE
> SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD
> $11,097.84
>
> This is what Montgomery County MD pays crossing
> guards:
>
> ALTOBELLI,ELENI DENMAN CROSSING
> GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
> ANDRE,JOSEPHINE N CROSSING GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
>
> WILLEMS,DEBORAH F. CROSSING
> GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
> WOOD,ARTEMIS H CROSSING GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
>
>
> Where is the police union in Fairfax????
>
> Funny how they take care of the uniformed cops but
> let the crossing guards get screwed.
>
> Maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with the
> first names of the workers.
>
> THEY ARE ALL WOMEN.
>
> I guess they need to fend for themselves.
>
> What year is this anyways? 1960?

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GENDER. Virginia is a "Right to Work" state. This means no binding arbitration between the employees and the employer. The term Union is a misnomer in VA as they are toothless. Thank the A-hols that passed the law back in the 70's. Public safety will continue to be shortchanged. Pay has become a big issue statewide. Alot of the good public safety employees are either retiring early for hirer paying jobs or those with only a couple of years of service are leaving, taking their expensive training with them. Remember you get what you pay for, pay for good people or pay out for all the gross negligencelawsuits. Guess which one is cheaper?

How many in Fairfax do the same thing?

Monday, August 2, 2010

MONTGOMERY COUNTY'S police force includes many dedicated and excellent officers. To the naked eye, most seem to be in fine physical condition. This must be an illusion, however, since so many of them continue to retire with full disability benefits, imposing a heavy cost on the county.

Between 2004 and 2008, about three in five county police officers were granted disability status upon retirement, meaning they receive two-thirds of their salary for life, tax-free. These numbers are without equal in other police departments around the region, including Prince George's County, where large majorities of officers manage to make it to retirement in good health despite a crime rate much higher than Montgomery's.

After this racket was exposed in the media two years ago, the numbers fell off, but only by a little. In the most recent fiscal year, which ended June 30, 18 of the 44 Montgomery police employees who retired were granted disability status -- in some instances for injuries, including relatively minor ones, that took place many years earlier. Keep in mind that in the past, some of these disabled retirees have gone on to land full-time employment, sometimes with other law enforcement agencies and often in roles that are physically demanding.

Of course, this scam gouges taxpayers -- just one of a number run by police officers under the protection of a union that jealously guards the perks of its dues-paying members. In a report released almost two years ago, the county's inspector general, Thomas J. Dagley, found police conduct in claiming disabilities that a "prudent person would consider abusive."

Still, it has continued. Last year, the Montgomery County Council, in thrall as usual to public employee unions, shied away from legislation to address it. And this year, the Fraternal Order of Police refused to relinquish the benefit in contract negotiations despite the disgrace it has earned the department.

Now the county has another chance to correct this abuse. Two council members, Duchy Trachtenberg (At Large) and Phil Andrews (Gaithersburg-Rockville), both Democrats, are introducing legislation that sensibly distinguishes between serious and minor disabilities, so that an officer with an injured finger is not treated in the same way as one paralyzed from the neck down.

The bill also prohibits officers guilty of firing offenses from claiming disability retirements, as they can now. (One such officer, Sgt. Jacqueline Davey, was granted a disability pension last month despite facing trial on charges that she stole more than $10,000 by billing the county for hours she didn't work. Sgt. Davey has denied the charges.)

The legislation will not come up for a vote before the fall, but already a majority of council members have expressed support for it. We urge every member of the council to sign on as a co-sponsor.

DJ POINT OF VIEW: Somber, Somber State Outlook By Bernanke

Tue Aug 03 07:35:21 2010 EDT

(This article was originally published Monday.)

By Neal Lipschutz
A DOW JONES NEWSWIRES COLUMN

If I were one of the state legislators shuffling out of the venue in
Charleston, S.C., after having been addressed Monday by South Carolina native
and current Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, I would feel pretty low.

In addition to essentially having been given the long slog view of the
national economic recovery ("But we have a considerable way to go to achieve a
full recovery in our economy, and many Americans are still grappling with
unemployment, foreclosure and lost savings")--Bernanke told the folks running
states and cities that they have some intractable long-term problems.

And Bernanke wasn't much for providing helpful answers.

Take the ticking time bomb of pension and health benefits promised state and
local employees. Many feel they compare too well to what's offered in the
private sector. And because of the squeeze of the recession on government tax
receipts, some states have been neglecting their contributions, simply making
the future hole bigger.

One solution is for the political leadership to say sorry, we simply can't
afford these pension costs and slowly over time adjust the costs downwards.

Not so fast, said Bernanke. "This daunting problem has no easy solution," he
said in remarks prepared for delivery Monday to the annual meeting of the
Southern Legislative Conference of the Council of State Governments. "Proposals
that include modifications of benefits schedules must take into account that
accrued pension benefits of state and local workers in many jurisdictions are
accorded strong legal protection, including, in some states, constitutional
protection."

If the states can't change what's already agreed to, they better get moving
on adjusting down the retirement costs of future employees, which presumably
they have to power to do.

Just about every state can't use long-term bonds to cover deficits in
operating budgets. That's a good thing given human and political nature. Absent
that, we'd have 50 mini (or perhaps on a percentage basis, not so mini)
versions of the gaping federal government deficit.

Bernanke applauds that restraint, but laments the resulting state spending
cutbacks in weak economic times, "when services are most needed."

Freed from such restraints, the growing budget gaps from Washington to Athens
to Madrid to London tell you something's got to give. Over time, political
leaders have to find ways to spend less and lower taxpayer expectations of
government's role.

Bernanke mentions beefing up state rainy day funds when things are flush to
supplement revenues during downturns. The central banker admits this "may not
be politically popular."

Separately, Bernanke notes the municipal bond markets has remained
"reasonably receptive this year to most borrowers . . . ."

I hope they had something fun planned for Monday evening in Charleston. Those
legislators will have had more than enough daunting news for one day.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/documents/Fairfax-County-VA-Employee-Salaries---2009-95621434.html

There goes the government sector and the private contractors....


Gates to Cut Major Military Command in Virginia, Officials Say

Published August 09, 2010
| Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- Officials briefed on the decision say Defense Secretary Robert Gates plans to eliminate a major military command in Norfolk, Va., and try to cut the Pentagon's use of outside contractors by 10 percent next year.

The plan was to be announced at a Pentagon press conference on Monday. It is part of a broader effort to trim $100 billion from the military's mammoth budget in the next five years, as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan begin to wind down and Congress turns its attention more to domestic priorities.

The Associated Press has learned that Joint Forces Command will be eliminated and its role absorbed elsewhere within the Defense Department. Gates has long said the Pentagon needs to reduce waste and duplication.

In my opinion, and from personal experience: I worked for the Fairfax County Park Authority managing a county-wide program. If you want to look for nepotism, "I'll take care of you, you take care of me," look no further than the Park Authority. In my opinion, those in upper management cover each other's asses, (while pretending to give a damn about the public w/ town hall meetings). But that is no surprise, as I guess it happens in most upper management. I saw good middle-level people who had been working for the Park Authority for years (these were specialists, not necessarily making a lot of money, but dedicated people who were truly passionate about what they were doing and did it well) have their jobs threatened, benefits taken away, laid off, etc., all in the name of "the bad economy, budget cut backs." But yet those in the upper management positions were untouched, made no sacrifices. The Park Authority runs over-budget programs that run it in the red, and they cut the budget in the wrong places, basically running the entire system w/ part time employees with no benefits and making about $9 an hour (or less) after taxes.

The bureaucracy within that organization was unbelievable, and the manipulation and self-serving I observed of the upper management (in the Rec Center system, too) was disheartening. Though I loved the job I was doing, and met some great county citizens in my program, I finally quit because the corruption and management dysfunction was intolerable. I was given the responsibility to manage the program I ran, but not the tools, nor the authority to make the changes that I knew would save it money, make it profitable for the county, and better serve the citizens in the program. But when something went wrong, it was my fault.

The Fairfax County Park Authority Board is another topic to address, they have no idea what is going on, and how much money is pissed away, that could otherwise be put to good use serving the public. (For example, they don't even meter the use of water in some of the parks and have practically no idea of how much water they pay for on a seasonal basis in some of the parks, an assessment on the consumption of water in some parks hasn't been done in decades). Dargle gave the impression of being an approachable Director, but was extremely ineffective, and easily misled by his upper management staff, telling the "emperor" what he wanted to see/hear, while doing otherwise behind his back. When communications were sent to him about problems in the park programs, they were intercepted by "upper management" and never delivered to him. Money saving ideas I presented (that were supported by the citizens my program served) were halted at middle levels, and some managers took credit for work their part time non-benefit employees executed. If the county wants to clean house, start with the Park Authority.

DARGLE,JOHN WALTER PARK AUTHORITY DIR PARK AUTHORITY $150,000.03
MESSINGER,CYNTHIA E PARK AUTHORITY DEP DIR PARK AUTHORITY $136,309.47
BOWDEN,DAVID R PARK AUTHORITY PARK DIVISION DIRECTOR $126,711.31
BALDINO,PAUL LOUIS PARK AUTHORITY PARK DIVISION DIRECTOR $123,068.19
LEHMAN,JOHN R PARK AUTHORITY ENGINEER VI $120,758.98
HOLLEY,KIRK W PARK AUTHORITY ENGINEER V $115,176.88
GARRIS,DEBORAH K PARK AUTHORITY ENGINEER V $113,197.76
FINEGAN,JOHN T PARK AUTHORITY INFO TECH PROGRAM MANAGER I $110,630.83
WALSH,CYNTHIA E PARK AUTHORITY PARK DIVISION DIRECTOR $107,776.03
AJRAWAT,SEEMA PARK AUTHORITY FINANCIAL SPECIALIST IV $104,436.38
FUREY,PETER F PARK AUTHORITY PARK MANAGEMENT SPECIALIST II $103,267.84
PEARSON,RONALD W PARK AUTHORITY SUPVR FACILITIES SUPPORT $102,724.75
NUGENT,BARBARA ANN PARK AUTHORITY PARK DIVISION DIRECTOR $101,212.80
STALLMAN,SANDRA PORCH PARK AUTHORITY PLANNER V $100,610.64

I didn't realize this site supported attachment uploads! Here's the full list in an Excel spreadsheet. No wonder people can afford to live in the county, if they're being paid by the county.
Attachments:

wow!! 14,500 employees (took a long time to scroll down). However there is no need to worry. Excel 2003 was limited to 65,536 rows, however Excel 2007 (Office 2007) spreadsheets can handle 1,048,576 rows!!!! enough to put every county resident 16 on older on the payroll.

OK, some practices need to be stopped -- e.g. letting folks close to retirement work tons of overtime to pad their pensions. We may need to get newer guys onto a "higher wage w/ 401k" system to reduce the future obligations side of the balance sheet.

But to argue that Fairfax County is as controlled by the public sector unions as is California, New Jersey, etc.? That's crazy talk. Also, running on a platform of "cut fire and police spending" isn't really going to win many votes.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/24/2010 08:59AM by formerhick76.

Ceratainly Virginia isn't as grosslu underfunded as ILL or Cali, but the taxpayer is still expected to pay retirement checks for virtually all the public employees.

VRS uses 7.5% as their actuarial assumption for return, yet they have only earned 3.5% for the last 10 years annualized.

Who is going to make up the shortfall if they don't cut benefits?

Take a look in the mirror pal-its you-the taxpayer.

1. Phoenix – double-dipping top cop

Phoenix.gov

Two frequent causes of outsized government worker pay are so-called “double-dipping†and lump sum retirement payouts due to banked sick time, vacation and other benefits. In the case of Phoenix top cop Jack Harris, we have both. Harris retired from his post as police chief in 2007, receiving a one-time payment of $562,000 and beginning to draw his annual pension of $90,000. Two weeks later, the city rehired him as its “public safety manager†– critics say he’s doing exactly the same job -- at a base salary of $193,000 per year. While it’s common around the country for police officers and other government workers to retire, collect their pension and keep working, the state of Arizona passed a law specifically banning the practice earlier this decade. Conservative think tank Judicial Watch has filed a lawsuit in Maricopa County on behalf of a local resident, alleging the Harris is breaking this law.

“It appears that the senior law enforcement official in the city is gaming the system,†said Judicial Watch’s Christopher Farrell. “That is deeply corrosive to the whole sense of the rule of law.†Farrell said he doesn’t spite Harris his pension, but both the end-run of state law and the high salary – particularly at a time when Phoenix police were threatened with hundreds of layoffs – are egregious, Farrell said. “It’s a gag reflex kind of thing.â€

David Leibowitz, spokesman for Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon, said that Judicial Watch’s lawsuit is politically motivated and maintained that Harris’ compensation is in line with police chief pay in other major U.S. cities.

“The chief has served the city of Phoenix for many years. He’s incredibly well qualified and his salary and total compensation is well within line with the largest cities in America,†Leibowitz said.

Phoenix is America’s fifth-largest city. The seventh-largest, San Antonio, pays Police Chief William McManus $183,000. Philadelphia, which is nearly the same size as Phoenix, pays Police Commissioner Charles H. Ramsey $195,000, though his pay will be cut to $187,500 this year.

Leibowitz said the method for arriving at Harris’ salary shouldn’t be a consideration.

“You (should) look at the overall money you are spending … and put it in context of the results you are getting,†he said. “It’s really cost effective. … We want people in Phoenix to believe they live in the safest large city in America.â€

Meanwhile, Phoenix pays a pretty penny to many other uniformed officers. There are 180 police officers and firefighters earning more than $100,000 annually. And fully 90 percent of the agency’s budget goes to salaries, according to AZCentral.com.

3. In Illinois suburb, a $435K parks director with a $166K pension
There is little debate about the ticking time bomb of state government pension obligations, which total an estimated $2 trillion nationwide. How did that number get so high so fast? In many cases, pension loopholes are exploited, exploited and exploited again. In Highland Park, Ill., a northern Chicago suburb, park district Executive Director Ralph Volpe and the local parks commission provide an instructive example. Volpe’s salary in 2008 was $164,000, but the commission added $270,000 in bonuses. That raise was nice, but even nicer was the step up in his pension, which is based on an his last-year salary. The bonuses helped bump Volpe’s pension up by more than $50,000 per year. The $166,000 he’ll make annually now that he’s retired exceeds his top base salary for the job. Residents forced three parks commissioners to resign after the deal was exposed by the Chicago Tribune, but they still have to pay Volpe for life.

4. Miami – Amid budget crisis, average salary is $100,000
How bad are things in Miami? Earlier this year County Manager George Burgess sent a memo out urging employees to stop buying bottled water. This came as the city was facing a $118 million budget shortfall and the mayor was calling for nearly 200 staff layoffs.

Meanwhile, Burgess’ salary and benefits package totaled $425,000 last year. It includes use of a 2010 Infiniti M35, which cost taxpayers $30,000 for a three-year lease, according to the Palm Beach Post.

Miami has plenty of well-paid employees. Nearly 100 earn more than $200,000 per year, costing the city $23 million annually, according to a 2009 analysis by the Biscayne Times (pdf). And 1,751 of the city’s 3,964 workers earn six-figure paychecks. Fully 80 percent of the city’s budget is devoted to salaries, a crushing amount that leaves precious little for parks or road improvements.

more poor public employees Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ....While it’s common around the
> country for police officers and other government
> workers to retire, collect their pension and keep
> working, the state of Arizona passed a law
> specifically banning the practice earlier this
> decade. Conservative think tank Judicial Watch
> has filed a lawsuit in Maricopa County on behalf
> of a local resident, alleging the Harris is
> breaking this law.


It ain't common in Virginia. I retired from a State job and draw a VRS pension.
If I were to accept a VRS-covered position (State OR local), my pension STOPS. When I leave the new job, I have to retire again in order to resume drawing the VRS pension.

The salary doesn't bother me. THe benefits are the problem. Retirement and Health care for life this is unsustainable.

sumguy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The salary doesn't bother me. THe benefits are the
> problem. Retirement and Health care for life this
> is unsustainable.

Health care for life, are you kidding?

When you retire from the State of Va or Fairfax County ALL they do is let you stay in the health plan, but you pay almost the entire cost.

My retiree health insurance costs $1150 a month,(and it goes up every year). VRS gives me a $120 health insurance credit (which never goes up). So, my health insurance as a Virginia retiree costs me $1030 a month right out of my pocket.

Pretty awesome, huh?

sumguy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The salary doesn't bother me. THe benefits are the
> problem. Retirement and Health care for life this
> is unsustainable.


Must be mistaking us for someone fro the northeast, we retired employees pay almost 100 percent primo price for health care, since most of us worked for suck salaries and make a small percentage of that, fuck off and get you your facts straight before you post, Amazing how the pukes on here think all the county employees make big salaries and big retirements, Blow hards like Dale and a few other school employees do.Try living here on what the county gives you, but while you are complaining, try living someplace like the Northern Neck of Virginia and see what kind of suck public services you get for a slightly smaller tax base.

clooney Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> HAND,JOHN MILTON COLTON MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES
> $177,308.77
>
>

I believe this individual is a Medical Doctor and holds such a degree. $177,308 for a Medical Doctor in Northern Virginia? I think he's way underpaid.

Just my .02

more salaries Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> GIBSON,WANDA MARIA DIR INFORMATION
> TECHNOLOGY $174,389.49

Totally clueless individual. I'm not sure she can even spell Information Technology.

still wanna see the school salaries particularly principals and counselors

I don't know if anyone has FOIAed the FCPS salaries-they would have to cought them up.

Principals-based on years of service-make about $95k-$125k.

If you look at the individual school budgets-each school lists the principal's salary.

What school do you want?