Based on the story out of Bell, CA, I think it might be interesting to evaluate what we pay our government employees.

Bell City Manager Paid Twice President Obama's Salary Resigns
Robert Rizzo Earns Nearly $800,000, Will Become Highest-Paid Public Pensioner in Calif.

Three municipal officials whose outsize salaries sparked a firestorm of outrage in the working-class Los Angeles suburb of Bell, Calif., resigned after midnight Friday following an emergency meeting of the city council.

The people of Bell, California, react to city administrators' high salaries.Robert Rizzo, the city manager, will leave behind a $784,637 annual salary -- nearly twice the pay of President Obama -- and will not receive a severance package. Nevertheless the 56-year-old will draw an immense pension, between $650,000 and $880,000, making him the highest-paid pensioner in California.

"Rizzo resigns and still makes more than $600,000," said Ali Saleh, founder of the Bell Association to Stop the Abuse, a grassroots community group. "That's why I call him a predator. He's taking advantage of the community whether he keeps his job or resigns."

TOP TEN FAIRFAX COUNTY EMPLOYEES:

GRIFFIN,ANTHONY H COUNTY EXECUTIVE $240,186.13
BOBZIEN,DAVID P COUNTY ATTORNEY $201,560.11
LONG,EDWARD L COUNTY EXECUTIVE $195,039.73
MOLCHANY,DAVID J COUNTY EXECUTIVE $188,470.46
STALZER,ROBERT A. COUNTY EXECUTIVE $187,577.31
AYENSU,GLORIA A ADDO Director Of HEALTH $187,577.31
HAND,JOHN MILTON COLTON MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES $177,308.77
MEARS,ROBERT LYON RETIREMENT ADMINISTRATION $176,750.08
ROHRER,DAVID M CHIEF POLICE $176,366.32
MASTIN,RONALD L CHIEF FIRE AND RESCUE DEPT $175,566.56

HARRISON,PATRICIA DEAN DEP COUNTY EXECUTIVE $175,000.18
GIBSON,WANDA MARIA DIR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY $174,389.49
LONG,MICHAEL H DEP COUNTY ATTORNEY $173,027.92
ZOOK,JAMES P DIRECTOR OF PLANNING ZONING $168,075.44
TIANTI,CYNTHIA L DEP COUNTY ATTORNEY $166,771.70
DATTA,SUSAN W MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET DIR $166,116.91
CLAY,EDWIN S DIR COUNTY LIBRARY $165,403.47
GREENLIEF,KEVIN C DIR TAX ADMINISTRATION $165,103.33
BRAUNSTEIN,GEORGE E. EXEC DIR FFX-FALLS CHURCH $165,000.16
SELLERS,STEPHEN L DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE $164,341.84
ROHR,DAVID L ASST FIRE CHIEF $164,341.84
PETERS,CHARLES K DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE $164,341.84
LOUDER,DARYL L ASST FIRE CHIEF $164,341.84
CAUSSIN,JOHN J ASST FIRE CHIEF $164,341.84
ANDREOLI,PETER D DEP COUNTY ATTORNEY $164,301.70
PATTESON,JAMES W DIR PUBLIC WORKS $164,000.10
SAMPSON,PAULA C. DIR HSG & COMMUNITY DEVEL $163,835.78
WYNN,ROBERT S DEP COUNTY ATTORNEY $161,583.34
SWARTZ,LAURNZ A SR INVESTMENT MANAGER $160,999.90
SPELLAR,ANDREW J SR INVESTMENT MANAGER $160,000.05

ICHTER,KATHARINE D DIR COUNTY TRANSPORTATION $156,602.78
MORRIS,JAMES A DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE $156,516.05
BARRY,STAN GLEN SHERIFF (ELECTED) $153,272.08
ROSE,EDWARD E SR ASST COUNTY ATTORNEY $152,798.05
GARCIA,VICTOR LUIS FINANCE DIRECTOR $152,356.05
MORROGH,RAYMOND F COMMONWEALTH ATTELECTED $152,330.46
BARTLETT,RANDY W DEPUTY DIRECTOR, DPWES $152,313.82
WOODRUFF,SUSAN E HUMAN RESOURCES DIR $152,296.98
GIBBONS,KAREN L SR ASST COUNTY ATTY $150,005.44
DARGLE,JOHN WALTER DIR PARK AUTHORITY $150,000.03
BOWLER,NANNETTE MARIE DIR FAMILY SERVICES $150,000.03
FREY,JOHN THOMAS COUNTY CLERK (ELECTED) $149,761.04
RYAN,THOMAS POLICE MAJOR $149,381.02
MOSER,JOSIAH L POLICE MAJOR $149,381.02
LOUDER,CHRISTINE NAPIER DEP FIRE CHIEF $149,381.02
JOHNSON,KEITH H DEP FIRE CHIEF $149,381.02
HURLOCK,ARTHUR J POLICE MAJOR $149,381.02
DODWELL,DUANE M DEP FIRE CHIEF $149,381.02

I'd say we're well below California---by quite a margin in fact.

Fairfax Pays 24 Employees More Than $100,000 Each; County Tops Area Governments in High-Salaried Workers

The Washington Post | October 3, 1996 | Tod Robberson


Notice the headline from 1996?

Fairfax County now pays nearly 800 employees over $100,000.

Has the private sector had wage growth like this?

Answer on private sector: yes, there are some really huge private sector salaries---more than 24 in Fairfax County alone!

I wonder how many of those people live in Fairfax/pay county taxes.

DIAMANTES,JOHN DEP FIRE CHIEF $149,381.02
BURKE,JOHN A DEP FIRE CHIEF $149,381.02
BARRETT,SHAWN M POLICE MAJOR $149,381.02
BAKER,DERECK A DEP FIRE CHIEF $149,381.02
REILLY,MICHAEL T DEP FIRE CHIEF $149,380.94
DYER,GARRETT L DEP FIRE CHIEF $149,380.94
JENSEN,RICHARD LARRY DEPUTY DIRECTOR DIT $148,018.21
POSNER,ELLEN F ASST COUNTY ATTORNEY VII $146,451.14
MCGETTRICK,JAMES V ASST COUNTY ATTORNEY VII $146,451.14
LANGHAM,GAIL PHILLIPS ASST COUNTY ATTORNEY VII $146,451.14
KILLALEA,ANN G ASST COUNTY ATTORNEY VII $146,450.10
BYRON,BARBARA A DIRECTOR, OCRR $146,198.62
BRICKNER,MICHELLE A DEPUTY DIRECTOR, DPWES $146,187.18
KUDLESS,MARY WHITE DEP DIRCTOR CSB $146,181.36
GUBA,HOWARD J ASST DIR PUBLIC WORKS $146,181.36
GORBY,JAMES D DIRECTOR OF VEHICLE SERV $145,907.63
DISSELKOEN,KENNETH P DIR HUMAN SVCS SYS MGMT $145,706.29

Where do you get these salaries?

Police union sues county over pay
Salary freeze unlawful, union president says
by Gregg MacDonald | Staff Writer

Fairfax County's police union has filed a lawsuit against the county. The suit claims pay freezes for some public safety workers is unlawful.

As a cost-saving measure, Fairfax County has frozen pay increases for both its fiscal 2010 and 2011 budget cycles. These cuts included merit-based, performance-based and longevity pay increases.

"For both last year's budget and this year, there were no compensation increases across the board," said Sharon Bulova, chairman of the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors.

The Fairfax Coalition of Police is a labor union that was formed in 1990. It represents nearly 1,000 rank-and-file police officers and other employees of the Fairfax County Police Department.

Marshall Thielen, president of the coalition, says it is specifically stipulated in the county's personnel regulations that when public safety employees at the top of their pay-grade who have reached 15- and 20-year marks in their employment with the county "shall" receive a 5 percent longevity increase. According to Thielen, it is that specific wording within the personnel regulations -- unique to public safety workers -- that makes their increases non-negotiable.

"These increases for public safety personnel are the only pay raises detailed in the regulations, and the [Fairfax County Board of Supervisors] chose not to change that language when they voted to freeze the pay increases," he said. "That means that freezing the longevity pay for these public safety employees is unlawful under the board's own regulations."

"It is unfortunate, but these are difficult economic times," said Bulova on Monday, adding that the pay freezes apply to all county employees equally. "We cannot pick and choose who to give raises to," she said.

Thielen said he understands the county's economic predicament, but says it is no excuse to circumvent its own laws.

"It's like if a cop gives you a speeding ticket and you say, 'Well, I can't afford to pay this, so I am not going to pay it," he said. "That just isn't going to fly, and it is ironic that as police, we are the ones arguing that the law be enforced in this case."

Thielen said he regrets resorting to a lawsuit but adds that Virginia labor laws put Fairfax County police at a disadvantage with other nearby jurisdictions that have collective bargaining powers.

"This lawsuit is the last thing I wanted to do, for many reasons," he said. "We never want to resort to litigation, but without collective bargaining there isn't much recourse. We now find ourselves at the point where litigation is the only alternative to getting this issue addressed."

Bulova said the first time she heard from Thielen on the issue was when the lawsuit had been filed.

The Fairfax County Fire & Rescue Department, and Sheriff's office, to which the personnel stipulation may also apply, did not choose to join the police union in the lawsuit.

"I believe the Board of Supervisors is handling this economic crisis as best it can and that freezing pay levels for employees, as painful as that may be, was a necessary step in balancing the budget," said Fairfax County Sheriff Stan Barry.

SATOURI,RAJA A. HEALTH DEPT DIR FOR MEDICAL SERVICES $145,619.76
POROPATICH,CARY OLMSTEAD HEALTH PUBLIC HEALTH DOCTOR $144,049.34
DUKE,ANDREW L FIRE AND RESCUE DEP FIRE CHIEF $142,268.09
SMITH,SHARON REILLY POLICE POLICE MAJOR $142,268.05
ROESSLER,EDWIN C POLICE POLICE MAJOR $142,268.05
FITZGERALD,MARY C PUBLIC AFFAIRS DIR PUBLIC AFFAIRS $141,156.29
WEISS,ALAN M COUNTY ATTORNEY ASST COUNTY ATTORNEY VI $140,608.83
OAKLEY,ALBERT W COUNTY ATTORNEY ASST COUNTY ATTORNEY VI $140,608.83
MCHUGH,MARILYN S COUNTY ATTORNEY ASST COUNTY ATTORNEY VI $140,608.83
WARD,ERIN C COUNTY ATTORNEY ASST COUNTY ATTORNEY VI $140,235.26
WHITLEY,JAMES F SHERIFF CHIEF DEPUTY SHERIFF $139,998.56
LOAN,JAMES W SHERIFF CHIEF DEPUTY SHERIFF $139,998.56
LEDFORD,MARCIA GAIL ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES DIR HUMAN SVCS ADMIN $139,500.19
WALES,LEONARD P MANAGEMENT & BUDGET COUNTY DEBT MANAGER $139,236.86
PAYNE,JOHN L HOUSING & COMMUNITY DEVELOPMT DEP DIR HOUSING & COMM DEV $139,236.86
LEGA,TERESITA MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES PSYCHIATRIST $139,236.86
KIRKPATRICK,RONALD N CAPITAL FACILITIES DIR OF PLNG AND DESIGN DIV $139,236.86
KARPICK,RONALD JOHN HEALTH PUBLIC HEALTH DOCTOR $139,236.86
GUTIERREZ,FE M HEALTH PUBLIC HEALTH DOCTOR $139,236.86
GODFREY,ELISSA M MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES PSYCHIATRIST $139,236.86
DOUGHTY,JOYCE M SOLID WASTE DIR SOLID WASTE DISP/RES RECOV $139,236.86
CORNET,PARNELL A MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES PSYCHIATRIST $139,236.86

CARINCI,CRAIG A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT DIR OF STORMWATER PLANNING $139,236.86
BALL,ACHANA HEALTH PUBLIC HEALTH DOCTOR $139,236.86
TEARE,ELIZABETH D COUNTY ATTORNEY SR ASST COUNTY ATTORNEY $138,672.77
SOUDER,STEPHEN HARVEY DEPT OF PUBLIC SAFETY COMM DIR, DEPT OF PUB SAFETY COM $138,560.66
SMITHBERGER,JEFFREY M SOLID WASTE DIR SOLID WASTE COLL/RECYCL $138,555.25
MOHSENIN,SHAHRAM WASTEWATER DIR WASTEWATER PLAN/MON DIV $138,164.83
SELDEN,FRED R PLANNING & ZONING ASST PLANNING DIRECTOR $138,028.80
PAXTON,MARY E INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY INFO TECH PROGRAM DIRECTOR II $137,182.24
AWADELKARIM,FAISAL AWADALLA MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES PSYCHIATRIST $137,161.86
MESSINGER,CYNTHIA E PARK AUTHORITY DEP DIR PARK AUTHORITY $136,309.47
MCLANE,EILEEN M PLANNING & ZONING ZONING ADMINISTRATOR $136,078.18
MORRISON,KEITH D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.55
COX,DEAN W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.55
BYDUME,GLENN A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.55
BURKHAMMER,CARLTON G FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.55
BUCKLEY,CRAIG N FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.55
BARRERO,MANUEL A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.55
WALSH,JAMES J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
SCHAFF,MICHAEL C FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
ROUSSILLON,JEROME A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
ROHR,MARK A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43

It is hard to make a comparison with the private sector on many of these jobs because they don't exist in the private sector. But doctor does (and 139K doesn't sound like a lot for a doctor). Psychiatrist (139K for a psychiatrist is cheap) and attorney probably also compare. There could be some comparison based on how many people are being managed by someone (battalion chief for example). Also, the responsibility of that job---how much capital equipment does he oversee? What are his daily responsibilities? What skills and training are required? These things need to be taken into account. Job title doesn't tell a whole lot about a job sometimes.

You can reduce their salaries in a recession like this and they will have no other job available---but when good times come again, things will have to change in order to attract qualified people. You can't reduce them too quickly since they have obligations to meet based on their current salaries---that would affect the overall economy of the county as well. You also want to be careful about retirement because they might be forced to stay long past their physical/mental ability to work (and in the case of fire department this could become a danger to the public). The salary thing is more complicated than just listing the salaries. Believe me, I've seen public employees who stayed way too long and practically had to drag themselves to the retirement ceremony.

WHAT IS THEIR TOTAL PACKAGE?

RETIREMENT, MEDICAL,TRAVEL. DO THEY GET A CAR, ETC.

WE NEED TO GET RID OF AT LEAST HALF OF THESE NON WORKERS.

more salaries Wrote:
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> CARINCI,CRAIG A STORMWATER
> MANAGEMENT DIR OF STORMWATER PLANNING
> $139,236.86
> BALL,ACHANA HEALTH
> PUBLIC HEALTH DOCTOR
> $139,236.86
> TEARE,ELIZABETH D COUNTY ATTORNEY
> SR ASST COUNTY ATTORNEY
> $138,672.77
> SOUDER,STEPHEN HARVEY DEPT OF PUBLIC
> SAFETY COMM DIR, DEPT OF PUB SAFETY COM
> $138,560.66
> SMITHBERGER,JEFFREY M SOLID WASTE
> DIR SOLID WASTE COLL/RECYCL
> $138,555.25
> MOHSENIN,SHAHRAM WASTEWATER
> DIR WASTEWATER PLAN/MON DIV
> $138,164.83
> SELDEN,FRED R PLANNING & ZONING
> ASST PLANNING DIRECTOR
> $138,028.80
> PAXTON,MARY E INFORMATION
> TECHNOLOGY INFO TECH PROGRAM DIRECTOR II
> $137,182.24
> AWADELKARIM,FAISAL AWADALLA MENTAL HEALTH
> SERVICES PSYCHIATRIST
> $137,161.86
> MESSINGER,CYNTHIA E PARK AUTHORITY
> DEP DIR PARK AUTHORITY
> $136,309.47
> MCLANE,EILEEN M PLANNING & ZONING
> ZONING ADMINISTRATOR
> $136,078.18
> MORRISON,KEITH D FIRE AND RESCUE
> FIRE BATTALION CHIEF
> $135,635.55
> COX,DEAN W FIRE AND RESCUE
> FIRE BATTALION CHIEF
> $135,635.55
> BYDUME,GLENN A FIRE AND RESCUE
> FIRE BATTALION CHIEF
> $135,635.55
> BURKHAMMER,CARLTON G FIRE AND RESCUE
> FIRE BATTALION CHIEF
> $135,635.55
> BUCKLEY,CRAIG N FIRE AND RESCUE
> FIRE BATTALION CHIEF
> $135,635.55
> BARRERO,MANUEL A FIRE AND RESCUE
> FIRE BATTALION CHIEF
> $135,635.55
> WALSH,JAMES J FIRE AND RESCUE
> FIRE BATTALION CHIEF
> $135,635.43
> SCHAFF,MICHAEL C FIRE AND RESCUE
> FIRE BATTALION CHIEF
> $135,635.43
> ROUSSILLON,JEROME A FIRE AND RESCUE
> FIRE BATTALION CHIEF
> $135,635.43
> ROHR,MARK A FIRE AND RESCUE
> FIRE BATTALION CHIEF
> $135,635.43


I had no idea that these people were paid so little. Hopefully this recession will be behind us at some point in the near future and we can boost the salary of these dedicated individuals who are willing to serve the public at these reduced income levels. Remember this is Fairfax county where 200k is nearly poverty level. I would hate to see us loose these highly talented people to other counties or the private sector.

I'm an engineer, and I don't make as much as these fat, stupid, mustached firemen?? Had I known that I wouldn't have gone to college. Is it too late for a career change??

Is that salary the actual current pay, or just the high end of the pay scale for their position? There is a huge difference between step 1 and whatever their final step pay level is. Based on the similarity of the numbers I would guess it is their potential high end pay and not necessarily their actual current salary.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Are they worth it? Wrote:
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> TOP TEN FAIRFAX COUNTY EMPLOYEES:
>
> GRIFFIN,ANTHONY H COUNTY EXECUTIVE
> $240,186.13


If Griffin was CEO of a multi billion-dollar corporation, his pay package would be in the millions with millions more in stock options.

Griffin makes peanuts.

HURLOCK,ARTHUR J POLICE MAJOR $149,381.02

This man has dedicated 30+ years of his life to law enforcement in Fairfax County. He is worth far more than what he is being paid. Fortunately, for us, he apparently finds his compensation to be adequate to retain him.

We the people of the United States of Fairfax. While Griffin runs Fairfax like a business. When was last time (ever) we was out there with the people. We the people of the United States of Fairfax are not heard. If they want to help economy. Cut all their pay by 10% as a service to the people of the United States of Fairfax.

Can you get us the Fairfax Connector man that is at Vienna Station he is bus coordinator/dispater, shorter stocky dark skinned gentlemen. He is always there smoking and we are sweating in the heat waiting for our late bus. I wonder how much he is paid to get these breaks.

I find it amusing that when the economy is doing well, no one could care less about what the civil servants are doing let along what they make as long as they're making more $$$ than them and look down on them. You see it's just like the old parable about the Grasshopper and the Ant. The Grasshopper lives for the moment and doesn't save any food at all, while the Ant is constantly storing it away for the future.

Just like you pack of myopic babies, you live Waay! beyond your means by mortgaging your future in the name of instant gratification, BMWs, big houses, lavish vacations by constantly chasing the big salary. Well, there's a trade-off, lack of job security and you must plan for your retirement. Civil servants in turn forgo the larger salary in lieu of a more stable job and a pension plan. See where the Ant/Grasshopper comparison kicks in?

Free will is a bitch and in most cases, YOU have consciously made a series of choices (like those old "which way" books) that lead you to where you are today.

Grow up and stop blaming others for your misfortune, DO something about it, It used to be the American way.
- Just my two cents, which adjusted to the impending OBUMMER hyperinflation is worth nothing.

Please get us the lowest paid people in Fairfax County also. Also the school employees are not on here. I think you would find them vastly underpaid (except Dale and a few others) compared to these. There does need to be a look at ALL levels of salary in the county.

Also look at federal salaries. The people I see with the most money are ex military. They have really sweet deals for education, retirement, shopping, medical and even burial. Not saying they're not worth it. I don't think you should count medical in the equation in any case---we're all paying for medical for everyone else whether you think so or not. You pay whether they actually have insurance or not---because we don't leave people to die by the side of the road (yet).

Look---Virginia is not California. Not even close.

OMFG Wrote:
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> I'm an engineer, and I don't make as much as these
> fat, stupid, mustached firemen?? Had I known
> that I wouldn't have gone to college. Is it too
> late for a career change??


You should be payed much more, you might suffer a paper cut in the course of your dangerous day

man-up people Wrote:
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> I find it amusing that when the economy is doing
> well, no one could care less about what the civil
> servants are doing let along what they make as
> long as they're making more $$$ than them and look
> down on them. You see it's just like the old
> parable about the Grasshopper and the Ant. The
> Grasshopper lives for the moment and doesn't save
> any food at all, while the Ant is constantly
> storing it away for the future.
>
> Just like you pack of myopic babies, you live
> Waay! beyond your means by mortgaging your future
> in the name of instant gratification, BMWs, big
> houses, lavish vacations by constantly chasing the
> big salary. Well, there's a trade-off, lack of job
> security and you must plan for your retirement.
> Civil servants in turn forgo the larger salary in
> lieu of a more stable job and a pension plan. See
> where the Ant/Grasshopper comparison kicks in?
>
> Free will is a bitch and in most cases, YOU have
> consciously made a series of choices (like those
> old "which way" books) that lead you to where you
> are today.
>
> Grow up and stop blaming others for your
> misfortune, DO something about it, It used to be
> the American way.
> - Just my two cents, which adjusted to the
> impending OBUMMER hyperinflation is worth nothing.


You are right about that, during the good years in Fairfax County some of my neighbors made comments about the shitty hours I worked, (including 7 Christmas in a row), and how I was missing out on all the perks including bonuses, trips etc that their companies gave them. Since a bunch of them are laid off,now I hear how I am double dipping for working for the county again, fuck them and all the gloating private sector assholes

Don't let the media, etc. (run by the filthy rich) brainwash you into thinking that your problem is with the middle and lower classes in this country! They want us to sit around attacking each other and forget that THEY are the big fat problem. As long as we snipe at each other over nickels and dimes, they will sit back and watch the fun (and be ignored by us). The local level is not where the problem is with the financial breakdown---but that is where it has come to rest because it has been "pushed down" to this level. We need to keep our sights on regulating at the highest levels so this never happens again. Yes, we need to look at salaries---but this is not going to solve our problem by any means. At the end of the day, the public workers are going to be very important in our attempts to get through all of this---without public infrastructure we are toast. Just look at countries where the public system doesn't work---nothing else works either. Ronald Reagan took away any pride there may have been in working in the public sector and it has been downhill for the public sector since then---and yes, you get service problems because people sort of tend to act in the manner in which they are treated. If you treat them as second class, they will act like they are second class. If you cut the number of public employees in half, you will get real big service problems (you think the rest will work twice as hard?) Back in the 50's and 60's public service was revered and kids admired policemen and firemen, etc. It has come to the point now where those people get criticized constantly (teachers also). Who will want to do these jobs? There are two sides to every coin.

OMFG,

Your assessment of the firefighter salaries is accurate. Several of those chiefs making 130K and more do not hold an advanced degree. The salaries are absurd and are perpetuated by surrounding jurisdictions. i.e. Once Montgomery County firefighters begin making more than Fairfax, the union points this out to the board of supervisors. It's a cycle that will never end. I understand that these employees are doing an unusual job but every one of them understood that when they signed up with Fairfax. The starting salary for New York City firefighters is $43,074. Here in Fairfax it's $48,877.71. Granted, it's not a lot of money for this area but considering that only a GED is required to apply, it's an impressive sum. Fairfax firefighters work an average of 56 hours per week or $16.78 per hour.

48K is an impressive sum? When you have to spend half of it on rent? Where are they supposed to live---at mom's house? Or with the immigrants in a boarding house? Or maybe we can pick up some firefighters in front of a 7-11? Is that who you want to show up when you call 911?

Who cares if you have a GED or a PhD---you've gotta live somehow. Bill Gates doesn't even have a bachelor's degree (but I think he has an honorary PhD). Get over the degrees. The guys who have PhDs would make pretty poor firefighters---it takes some brawn---not all brains---to do the job---it's a VERY tiring job. So only brains count in this world? Too bad if life has thrown you different circumstances---there's nothing for you.

What a sham of a post. Quit assuming if you are smart enough for an advanced degree, you can't do the "manual" labor. Fire fighting could be tiring. It does have a huge element of risk. However, you need to also state that "most" of the time, these public servants are NOT fighting fires. The spend alot of time waiting.....

(P.S. I live near a fire station and have a good understanding of how these fine servants spend their days....)


Great pay and benefits! Many people would love-to-get their job!

Okay, so start hiring PhDs to fight fires. They probably want those jobs.

When I was a kid we had a volunteer fire department. It was cheap (no pay, no benefits). There was nobody waiting around for fires. But if you had a fire, there was waiting around for firemen to arrive. I wonder how that would affect the cost of your home insurance (?)

Jeff Katz is paid by county and coordinates the fire volunteer people. He was not on the list, but he looks like he does not get paid good.

I was driving on West Ox the other day and saw a bunch of Fire Dept recruits out for a run. So FD must be hiring, and I think PD is too. Of course, they are ALWAYS hiring school bus drivers, which if you really hustle, you can knock down $30K a year, with all summer off!

If these jobs are so great, you motherfuckers ought to apply and jump on the gravy train.

I bet you they cut on fire trucks and they were just running to fire. It was very hot so good thing firemen have water.

Are you aware that part of the fireman's union dues goes toward election funds for the supervisors they think will lean in their direction when they want raises.
Just go ask Connelly. He was in their pocket.

I know Jeff has staff like a lady who is the CERT coordinator. That is taxpayer waste.

HAND,JOHN MILTON COLTON MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES $177,308.77


dude.. dont tell Spicoli Mr. Hand is making that much!
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I have my masters degree and I'm a firefighter. So stop your whining

I must comment on the fireman who said he was a Masters degree. He calls himself Dr. Fireman. Dude... you dont get Dr. from a Masters. Where did you get your degree. I think you might not be the real thing. I mean no disrepect for our finest. Including all those volunteer firemen. Thank you for doing this stuff. But Dr. Fireman with Masters is not right no matter what your profession.

I hold multiple advanced degrees in fisting teenage and maternal vagina and asshole

PRICE,JOHN S FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
MULLINS,ALFRED E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
LASSITER,REGINALD O FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
KANE,MARK T FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
HEDRICK,JAMES L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
HAWKINS,CHARLES R FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
HARRINGTON,TYRONE J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
GRAY,DANIEL V FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
GRALING,THOMAS W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
EVERETT,JOHN L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
ESHLEMAN,EDITH M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
DELI,MIKE A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
BUNCH,GREG A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
BRINKLEY,EDWARD M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
BRENDEL,BRIAN C FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF $135,635.43
CHIANESE,CATHERINE A COUNTY EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT COUNTY EXECUTIVE $135,057.94
MUSE,CATHY A PURCHASING & SUPPLY MGMT PURCHASING AND SUPPLY DIRECTOR $134,751.55
JARRATT,GORDON S INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY INFO TECH PROGRAM DIRECTOR II $134,467.63
GUPTA,KAILASH B WASTEWATER DIR WASTEWATER TREATMENT $134,441.42
WOOTEN,ALAN D INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY SVCS DIR INTELLECT DISABILITY SVCS $134,146.27
WILLIAMS,WILLIAM H. ALCOHOL AND DRUG SERVICES DIR OF ALCOHOL & DRUG SERVICES $133,072.78

Geez, I never would have guessed that there were so many fire and rescue battalion chiefs! In fact a huge percentage of the list seems to be fire department related.

I wonder if there are some federal funds (post 911 or Homeland Security grants) that have to be spent on the fire department ??? earmarked for that?? Is that why there is so much money there? If so, it's not a county tax issue, but a federal one. I know that federal money comes into the schools and it has to be spent certain ways (and cannot be spent other ways).

Does anybody know about that?

RYAN,THOMAS W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.56
RYAN,MATTHEW P FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.56
PISANI,RALPH M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.56
NESMITH,VECKSER T FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.56
MICHEL,PETER J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.56
HOLLINGSWORTH,GEORGE A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.56
CAPLE,SANDRA K FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.56
BRENNAN,MARK G FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.56
WHITE,PAUL L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
WENTZEL,WAYNE P FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
WEALAND,THOMAS J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
TSCHANN,GLENN F FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
TOBIN,DAVID P FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
THOMPSON,KENDALL FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
THOMPSON,CHRISTOPHER FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
SYDNOR,RONALD B FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
SMITH,RICHARD C FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
RIFFE,TIMOTHY W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
POLEN,ELTON W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
PARKER,PAUL H FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
PALAU,JOSEPH FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
NASH,MARK A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
MORAVITZ,BRIAN E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
MONTAGUE,DONALD P FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
MOHLER,ROBERT M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
MILLER,STEPHEN E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
MCGEHEE,ROGER T FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
MCCULLEN,MICHAEL G FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
MARSHALL,TODD M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
LEETE,JOHN L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
LANGE,DAVID G FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
KISER,JOSEPH L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
KEYS,MICHAEL B FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
JOHNSON,JAMES B FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
JENKINS,LARRY E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
ISTVAN,MICHAEL A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
HEIDER,JAMES C FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
HARRISON,JAMES T FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
HARRIS,BRENDAN B FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
HALL,TODD S FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
GRIGG,WESLEY D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
GRIFFIN,RAYMOND E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
GRAHAM,PETER M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
GEMSHEIM,RONALD A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
GARCIA,MICHAEL J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
DUBETSKY,KEITH M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
DIZE,GARY C FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
DEAN,TROY H FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
CONRAD,DAVID P FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
BUTLER,LEROY L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
BERQUIST,ROBYNN M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44
BEASLEY,OSCAR L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $110,800.44

TILLES,CHRISTOPHER FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN II $110,283.26
LUDEMAN,KEITH M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN II $110,283.26
JENKINS,JASON R FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN II $110,283.26
HESSEL,KIT R FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN II $110,283.26

CASTILLO,RAUL G FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $105,763.63
WALKER,TIMOTHY C FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $105,763.55
CHITTENDEN,THOMAS F FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $105,763.55
TOLLE,JEFFREY A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.47
RODRIGUEZ,RONNIE A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.47
ROBB,NATALIE D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.47
O'BRIEN,STEPHEN TODD FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.47
HALL,DAVID W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.47
GRUENDEL,DAVID K FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.47
DEVERA,SAMUEL THOMAS SAMSON FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.47
DANIELS,DANNY J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.47
CRAWFORD,TRACY ELLEN BRINKLEY FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.47
WATERS,CHESTER E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.43
MILLER,VICTOR MONTAGUE FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.43
MENSAH,FRANCIS O FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.43
MCNAMARA,KERWIN ANDREW FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.43
BAILEY,WILLIE FITZGERALD FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.43
WALSER,JOHN L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.18
MCFARLAND,STEVEN T FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.18
FLANIGAN,COLIN D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.18
BANASIK,ROBERT ALAN FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $105,524.18
VACCHIO,JOSEPH J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $100,728.70
LAULER,DAVID M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $100,728.70
COEN,KEVIN R FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $100,728.70
CHABAL,JOHN FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $100,728.70

Fucking Fire and Rescue officer's salaries rape taxpayers again... wait..

I think the OP is just bitter at being rejected for a county job and is now on some crusade to hold these employees accountable for their salaries. I'm sure the OP wouldn't complain if he/she was making this income.

Blessed are the murderous.

eesh Wrote:
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> I think the OP is just bitter at being rejected
> for a county job and is now on some crusade to
> hold these employees accountable for their
> salaries. I'm sure the OP wouldn't complain if
> he/she was making this income.

Could be, but with bene's it's incredibly generous and expensive in retirement for the taxpayers. Why do we always hear this bitching "but where will the teachers and public servants live" when they talk about cost in Fairfax county. They are not the ones we need to worry about. There are a ton of lisitng every day for jobs in this area on Craigs list and they have all sorts of requirements and rarely pay over 60 K, and your're funding your own retirement, plus theirs.

Could be Wrote:
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> There are a ton
> of lisitng every day for jobs in this area on
> Craigs list and they have all sorts of
> requirements and rarely pay over 60 K, and your're
> funding your own retirement, plus theirs.




1. If you conduct a search for careers solely on Craigslist, there's a real problem. No shit you can't find anything that pays a decent salary on Craigslist.


2. If you have a problem with living in a county that pays a competitive salary for competent employees, move out. I hear Floyd County is a pretty cheap place to live.

Blessed are the murderous.

UNDER $100K!!!!

Give them a raise!! How can they afford to live in Fairfax County???


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ROBERTS,WILLIAM G FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.10
REGAN,MICHAEL P FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.10
PAPOUTSIS,THOMAS J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.10
MISCOVICH,TIMOTHY J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.10
LANDSTREET,MICHAEL W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.10
FORBACH,ERIC D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.10
EDMONDSON,KEVIN A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.10
CONNOLLY,THOMAS M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.10
BRULEY,JON P FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.10
YOUNG,DANIEL T FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
WRIGHT,DAVID S FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
WOOLF,KELLY W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
WILSON,JAMES D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
WILLIAMS,MARCUS D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
WHITE,MICHAEL FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
WHEELER,ROBERT E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
WHARTON,JEFFREY T FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
WEAVER,GEORGE W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
WALMER,JACK L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
WALLACE,KRISTIN A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
VOZZOLA,GARY W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
VARNAU,DALE L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
URPS,DANNY R FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
UNGER,DANA R FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
SNYDER,JON W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
SMITH,LESLIE C FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
OUDEKERK,JOHN N FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
OLEKSIA,JOSEPH A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
O'CONNOR,SEAN J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
NEUHAUS,BRUCE A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
MULLINS,ANTHONY D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
MORRISON,GERARD J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
MORRIS,JAMES T FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
MORIN,GARY E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
MONSEUR,EDMOND D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
MILLS,CHARLES D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
MELOY,THOMAS C FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
MASTERS,PETER B FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
MARTIN,CHARLES A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
MARKS,MICHAEL J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
MALOF,MATTHEW P FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
LUECKE,CRAIG S FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
LOW,JAMES R FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
KRATOCHVIL,JOSEPH M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
KLOPP,JEFFREY F FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
JOHNSON,WALTER E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
JOHNSON,RICHARD L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
JACKSON,GLENN C FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
GRIFFIN,THOMAS J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
FOWLER,TIM E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
ERLENDSON,ERIC G FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
DYE,BEN A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
DICKERSON,ROBERT W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
DIAZ,GEORGE L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
DENNIS,JAMES L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
DAWLEY,RICHARD A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
CLARK,STEVEN D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
CHATMON,CARLTON FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
BUNDY,WILLIAM F FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
BRYANT,DAVID M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
BRIGHT,RICHARD E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
BRASWELL,LAWRENCE M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
BOWMAN,EDWARD D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
BOSWELL,KARRIE L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
BOOKWALTER,JAMES R FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
BENDO,PETE J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
BARROW,ARNOLD J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
ALLEN,JEFFREY R FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
ALLEN,CLIFTON FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
ADAMS,CHARLES F FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,932.05
STRAUBINGER,MARC L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,931.76
FERGUSON,SEAN E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $95,931.76

eesh Wrote:
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>
> 1. If you conduct a search for careers solely on
> Craigslist, there's a real problem. No shit you
> can't find anything that pays a decent salary on
> Craigslist.

It's a legitmate source. I've been to head hunters that send you to the same jobs
>
> 2. If you have a problem with living in a county
> that pays a competitive salary for competent
> employees, move out. I hear Floyd County is a
> pretty cheap place to live.

Unfortunately some of us have to.

Glad you're set.

WHITE,CINDY SUE FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
WELLS,OSCAR T FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
STRICKLEN,JAMES R FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
SHAW,DANIEL D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
SCHWARZMANN,DAVID FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
RATHBONE,BARRY JAMES FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
PERKINS,JAMES A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
MERRITT,JOSEPH DONALD FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
MASON,GLENN A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
MAHAM,BARRY W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
LOPEZ,MATTHEW MOLEIRO FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
KRAUT,SCOTT FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
KELLY,PATRICK T FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
FISCHER,MICHAEL J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
EVANS,SEAN T FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
EDWARDS,KEVIN FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
CUNNINGHAM,CHARLES R FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
BURNS,MATTHEW CHARLES FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07
ATWELL,WILLIAM J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE CAPTAIN I $95,713.07

$100k is MEDIAN income for an INDIVIDUAL WORKER in Fairfax County.

How many people does a Captain of firefighters manage? 5-10? $110k for a manager of skilled people is not in any way out of line.

Especially given the danger involved.

I'm glad we pay them that much. Pay them less, and they'll go elsewhere.

WILDMAN,KENNETH A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
WERESNICK,NICHOLAS FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
WEBB,DENNIS J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
VAUGHT,ROBERT L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
TRAMMELL,ANTONIO DEVINE FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
TOBALSKE,BONNIE J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
STRICKLAND,REX E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
STARKS,DWAN D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
SELLERS,DAVID KELLEY FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
SCHAUB,RICHARD H FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
ROCHE,KARL D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
RICHTER,JOHN W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
PIZZO,JOHN T FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
PIFER,RONALD SCOTT FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
OTOOLE,H TIMOTHY FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
NACY,MATTHEW J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
MELTON,SHEREE E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
LIDDELL,ANTHONY LEE FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
LEYDEN,SVENJA ELLEN FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
LEWIS,EVAN JOHN FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
LAVEROCK,KENNETH M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
KULEY,RONALD J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
JOHNSON,STEPHEN M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
JACKSON,LLOYD B FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
HYDEN,WILLIAM T FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
HORTON,CHARLES W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
HIGGINBOTHAM,JOHN E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
HENDERSHOT,MICHAEL D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
DECARLO,EDWARD D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
BURROUGHS,EARL J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
BEST,WILLIAM MARVIN FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
BARRERA,MERVIN E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.71
SLEPETZ,RICHARD S FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.58
ROGERS,JOHN W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.58
RAY,CHARLEEN L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.58
BROWN,CYNTHIA LEE FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.58
TOMASELLO,PATRICIA FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.49
ROBBINS,GEORGE FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.49
FAYSON,TERRANCE LAMONT FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.49
BROCK,ADAM C FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.49
ALVARO,ROCCO FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.49
PLUNKETT,MARK J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.42
HOUGHTON,TRENTON L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.42
HOBGOOD,JAMES PETER FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.42
EDWARDS,DEREK A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE LIEUTENANT $91,363.42

Tell you what dipshit, why don't you spend twenty years saving peoples' lives, putting out fire, endangering your life, then complain about having a solid retirement and living wage.

I certainly agree that a premium shoud be paid for someone who is willing to put their lives on the line for someone else.

HOWEVER, last time I checked, there are not a lot of life threating fires burning 24/7.

I say pay them $60k-$70k per year which is more than generous given their education, and if they save a life or do something other than just hold a hose out, then pay them a bonus of say $10k.

Other than that, the taxpayers are getting taken to the cleaners BIG TIME.

No wonder, the average worker in the private sector has only saved on average $30k in their 401k. All their money is going to these outlandish salaries and retirement packages of the public employees.

The fact that they are demanding raises is criminal.

how many fires are there? Wrote:
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>
> I say pay them $60k-$70k per year which is more
> than generous given their education....



With so many universities offering graduate degrees in fire science, I can see your point. There is no reason a person that puts his or her life in danger should make this much income.

Dumbass.


Going back to what I said, you are probably just bitter that you got rejected by the county for a good job.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/26/2010 11:19AM by eesh.

I don't want the lowest bidder responding to any of my emergency situations...

UPCHURCH,ROBERT L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $87,582.56
BUCHANAN,CLYDE M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $87,582.56
BRINKERHOFF,JOHN R FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $87,582.56
WOODWARD,RODNEY H FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $87,582.48
WILLIAMS,THOMAS C FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $87,582.48
WILKERSON,JAMES E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $87,582.48
WASHENKO,GREGORY D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $87,582.48
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LILLEY,JOHN KENNEDY FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
LAUN,JOSEPH M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
KOTWICKI,JAMES PAUL FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
KEPPLEY,GREGORY A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
KELLY,TIMOTHY M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
JAMES,TIMOTHY D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
HODGSON,SEAN D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
HAHN,GEORGE EDWIN FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
FRANKLIN,WILLIAM L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
FLYNN,JAMES ALLAN FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
DOFFERMYRE,ERIC JAMES FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
CRUM,DONALD R FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
CLOYD,JAEMOHN D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
CLARKE,ROBERT A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
BRISKEY,MARK G FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
BRIGHT,RICHARD T FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
BONIFAS,BRIAN A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
BAUSERMAN,RONALD FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65
ANDERSON,KYLE B FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $79,439.65

ZDUNSKI,MICHAEL R FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
WYATT,ERIC MIDIAN FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
WILLIAMS,ROBERT FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
WILLIAMS,CHRISTOPHER H FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
WHITFIELD,ANITA J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
WHITE,CRAIG MARQUIS FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
WERTH,JEFFREY J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
TOMCZAK,VERNON ROSS FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
TINCHER,JEFFREY WAYNE FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
THOMPSON,GARY PATRICK FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
THOMPSON,DANIEL R FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
TEDESCO,JOHN J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
SWEENEY,ROBERT JOSEPH FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
SWEENEY,CLIFF EDWARD FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
STERLING,KAREN DIANNA FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
SNAPP,RODNEY D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
SHORT,ELTON LAMAR FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
SHAPIRO,STEPHEN MICHAEL FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
SEABRIGHT,JEFF S FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
RUSSELL,ERIC A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
ROLLE,LIVINGSTON JOSEPH FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
RODGERS,REGINALD KEITH FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
ROBERTS,JASON M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
RITCHIE,ROBERT G FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
REUTER,GARY SCOTT FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
POST,LINDA JANE FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
PORTER,SAMUEL L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
PILSUCKI,ROBERT J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
PFISTER,JAMES EDWARD FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
PERLA,RAUL F FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
PENNY,DERRICK LOMONTE FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
PAIS,TIMOTHY JAMES FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
OCHAITA,JORGE HUMBERTO FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
MYERS,BLAKE C FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
MURRAY,JEFFREY W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
MUNGO,RICHARD A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
MUDGE,JOHN ROSS FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
MOORE,GEORGE H FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
MOORE,BRIAN P FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
MCLAUGHLIN,ERIC DAVID FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
MCKENDREE,JAMES B FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
MAYHUGH,G BRIAN FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
MARSHALL,GARNER T FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
MAKELY,KEVIN DWAYNE FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
MACINYAK,JOHN C FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
LOTZ,ROBIN M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
LOAYZA,GEORGE EDUARDO FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
LAWTON,STACIE L FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
LAMONT,WILLIAM J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
KWIATKOWSKI,DANIEL J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
KOSENKO,PETER FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
KORB,JAMES P FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
KOBERSTEEN,JOEL J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
KNERR,HERBERT MONROE FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
KLAREN,KIM A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
KING,MICHAEL T FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
KIDD,THOMAS A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
KERNS,DAWN CHRISTINA FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
KEHNE,PETER FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
JENKINS,BRIAN PAUL FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
HWANG,IN SUNG FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
HURST,STEPHEN J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
HOFFMAN,JOHN MICHAEL FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
HERBERT,SCOTT E FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
HAHN,DANIEL TROY FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
HA,KYUNG S FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
GALVIN,JAMES J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
FURMAN,JAMES M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
FRYE,LINWOOD M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
FRY,JOEL MICHAEL FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
FIDDLER,MARK EDWARD FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
FERGUSON,THOMAS A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
FENSTERWALD,SEAN M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
FEASTER,MICHAEL O FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
ESTRADA,RAMON M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
DOUGHTY,ALFRED M FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
DEYNEKA,MARK FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
DESOUSA,ROBERT JAMES FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
DEDES,STEFAN SPIRO FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
DEANS,MICKEY A FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
COX,JOSEPH KEVIN FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
CARSON,ROOSEVELT FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
CAMPODONICO,JUAN DAVID FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
BUTLER,MARK R FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
BUTLER,GERALD DEWITT FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
BROWNING,ROBERT SCOTT FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
BROWN,MICHAEL D FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
BRISCOE,RONNIE NATHAN FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
BRECHT,MATTHEW JOSEPH FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
BOYER,JOHN L. FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
BILLER,THOMAS EVERETT FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
BEAVER,RAYMOND KESTER FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
BARTHOLOMEW,ERIC J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
BARNES,CHRISTOPHER W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
AYALA,JUAN C FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
AVALOS,RONY EDGARDO FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
ASHWOOD,ADAM W FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
ANDERSON,MARK FRANCES FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
ADELEKE,ROBERT ADEMRELE FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.75
SCHNUPP,BRENT MATTHEW FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.62
PETERSON,ANDRE DONNELL FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.62
LENZSCH,ROLF FRED FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.62
JAQUAYS,ALISON SUZANNE FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.62
EPPS,CHARLES J FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.62
CORWIN,ANNETTE FIRE AND RESCUE FIRE TECHNICIAN $75,660.62

Now it is time for us to calculate the pension costs of these highly compensated individuals.

Fairfax County (aka the taxpayers) fund the retirement for these individuals. On average, they can expect to earn about 60% of their final years' salary as a LIFETIME annuity. They have absolutely no market risk whatsoever. If the stock market produces zero or negative returns they still enjoy this lifetime income with a nice little COLA every few years.

So, what will this cost the almighty taxpayers?

Well, we have only listed salaries of SOME of the Fire/Rescue department-about 650 employees with salaries ranging between $76k and $135K. So, let's say an average of $100k per employee. They will probably retire when they are about 55-60 years old and will live, on average 20-25 years.

That should run us about $40 million per year for 25 years (without COLA adjustments)....$1,000,000,000.

With our budget in disarray and really no end in sight to this recession, can someone tell me where this money is going to come from???

And why, should the retired, self emloyed, and private sector worker pick up this tab?

future costs Wrote:
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>
> Fairfax County (aka the taxpayers) fund the
> retirement for these individuals. On average,
> they can expect to earn about 60% of their final
> years' salary as a LIFETIME annuity. They have
> absolutely no market risk whatsoever. If the
> stock market produces zero or negative returns
> they still enjoy this lifetime income with a nice
> little COLA every few years.
>


Are you bitter that someone has a better retirement than you?

I find it interesting how WASPy all the names are on the list. This county is becoming decidedly unWASPy. Are there any Asian or Hispanic firefighters in Fairfax County?

future costs Wrote:
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> Now it is time for us to calculate the pension
> costs of these highly compensated individuals.
>
> Fairfax County (aka the taxpayers) fund the
> retirement for these individuals. On average,
> they can expect to earn about 60% of their final
> years' salary as a LIFETIME annuity. They have
> absolutely no market risk whatsoever. If the
> stock market produces zero or negative returns
> they still enjoy this lifetime income with a nice
> little COLA every few years.
>
> So, what will this cost the almighty taxpayers?
>
> Well, we have only listed salaries of SOME of the
> Fire/Rescue department-about 650 employees with
> salaries ranging between $76k and $135K. So, let's
> say an average of $100k per employee. They will
> probably retire when they are about 55-60 years
> old and will live, on average 20-25 years.
>
> That should run us about $40 million per year for
> 25 years (without COLA
> adjustments)....$1,000,000,000.
>
> With our budget in disarray and really no end in
> sight to this recession, can someone tell me where
> this money is going to come from???
>
> And why, should the retired, self emloyed, and
> private sector worker pick up this tab?

All the tax $$ these new immigrants we get will fund it, right? Amiright?

how many fires are there? Wrote:
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> I say pay them $60k-$70k per year which is more
> than generous given their education, and if they
> save a life or do something other than just hold a
> hose out, then pay them a bonus of say $10k.

Salary is no tied to education. Salary is determined by what VALUE the individual (or group, in the case of unionized people like firefighters) brings to the job situation, and how much you can get away with paying them before quality level drops to unacceptable levels.

Most of these men live in a county with a $100k median income. That means the cost of living around here is in that range. Paying MANAGERS around the median makes perfect sense to me.

"With our budget in disarray and really no end in sight to this recession, can someone tell me where this money is going to come from???"

You should really look up how municipalities fund pension funds or how pension funds work, obviously you have no idea.

bitter hardly describes the tsunami that we will see in the next ten years.

It is hopelessly selfish and irresponsible for us to unload this DEBT on our children.

We cannont afford these lavish salaries and pensions. Our poiliticians are COWARDS for allowing this to happen.

I assure you if we don't do something soon, two things will happen:

1. People will move from this area because we will have to triple real estate taxes to pay for this OR

2. The pension system will just goes bankrupt.

This is a PONZI scheme and nothing more.

get real Wrote:
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> bitter hardly describes the tsunami that we will
> see in the next ten years.

Your opinion is noted, evaluated, and filed in the appropriate receptacle. The escalation team will come by during the next disp...er, escalation cycle to pick it up and deliver it to the action team for final incin...er, resolution.

Good day.

JR-

I could run circles around you on how pensions work.

Fairfax County Public Schools took a "holiday" from making their pension contribution for 2010-11 because there was no money in the budget. So we just "skipped" a $45 million payment.

No worries, our Governor gave all municipalities that participate in VRS the same break-they just have to pay VRS back in 10 years with 7% interest, that's all. It is actually a great deal for VRS-getting 7%-when the 30 year treasury is paying just 4%!!

The actuarial assumptions are in the ragnge of 7-8% even though the market has performed a fraction of that the last 10 years. WOOPS!

Check out The Pew Foundation website if you want to educate yourself on the health of the state pension plans. You might want to have a drink while you are reading it.

WE CAN'T AFFORD THIS. No intelligent person would say otherwise.

The reason they have to pay back at 7% interest is because that was the assumed interest for actuarial tables for all of these years. In the "hoopla" years when the pension system was making 20-30% (because the stock market was going crazy), the state skimmed off everything from the retirement system except that magic 7% (to keep our taxes down). Now that the rate of return has turned negative, they have no buffer and have to get that 7% somehow. That's what happened---politicians taking money from the public employees. WOOPS is right!

What is next is a recalculation of public retirement benefits and there is nothing the public employees can do about it really. I hope those firefighters are saving their money.

They just added 10 years (yes, 10) to the amount of time a teacher has to work to get full retirement (for teachers signing contracts this year). Yes, our kids will be paying for all of this one way or another.

FIRE Firefighters....let me tell you this, the fastest way for FFX to become PG County= cut pay, drive decent moderately capable county employees away and replace them with corrupt incompetent idiots....the choice is yours.

Employees' Retirement System Portfolio Information

Portfolio Distribution:
(as of June 30, 2009)
•Domestic Stock: 16.5%
•International Equities: 11.1%
•Real Estate: 8.6%
•Fixed Income: 42.0%
•Alternative Investments 21.8%
•TOTAL VALUE OF INVESTMENTS: $2,037,208,073

Market Rate of Return in Last 14 Fiscal Years:
(gross of fees - as of June 30, 2009)

1.2009: -23.3%
2.2008: +1.2%
3.2007: +15.2%
4.2006: + 9.38%
5.2005: + 13.6%
6.2004: + 18.4%
7.2003: + 5.9%
8.2002: - 3.9%
9.2001: - 0.2%
10.2000: + 6.2%
11.1999: + 9.0%
12.1998: + 17.2%
13.1997: + 20.1%
14.1996: + 15.9%


Most FFX employees pension = 401(a) - Defined Benefit Plan

Active Uniformed Benefits

•Regular Service
◦Plans A and B -- 2.0% of the portion of the highest consecutive 36 months salary -- Final Average Salary (FAS) -- times creditable service. The total is then increased by 3%.
(Sick leave is credited as service and in the computation of the FAS.)
◦Plans C and D -- 2.5% of the FAS times creditable service. The total is then increased by 3%.


•Pre-62 Supplemental Benefit (Plans A and B only) - Payable only until age 62; based on Social Security benefit that would have been payable if the member had been 65 at the time of retirement. Benefit is pro-rated for those with less than 25 years of service. Begins at age 55 for Plan A. For Plan B, 1/2 of supplemental benefit payable before age 55; full benefit from age 55 to 62.

•Pre-Social Security Benefit (Plans A and B) - Benefit is calculated at 0.2% of average final compensation per year of service. This benefit starts at retirement and continues until the month following attainment of the age of eligibility for an unreduced Social Security Retirement benefit.

•Pre-Social Security Benefit (Plans C and D) - Benefit is calculated at 0.3% of average final compensation per year of service. This benefit starts at retirement and continues until the month following attainment of the age of eligibility for an unreduced Social Security Retirement benefit.
•Early Service Same as above but reduced by a percentage determined by age and service at retirement

Most recent one ios ending June 30th 2009.

Actuarial Valuation Date:

7/1/2008

Actuarial Value of Assets $2,752,874,000
Actuarial Accrued Liability $3,328,901,000

Unfunded $576,027,000

I guess we are kinda shorthanded-but no worries, our actuarials are assuming a return of 7.5% on the money we DON"T HAVE in the fund, so the catch-up will be fun.

But, hey, you guys, deserve your pension.

So what if you suck every last dime out of the taxpayers.

"But, hey, you guys, deserve your pension. So what if you suck every last dime out of the taxpayers."

They do, legally. They signed an employment contract with FFX county, FFX County must oblige.

Also, give them credit for running a half decent county, if not your property values wouldn't be increasing each year.

No. 1: Fishers and related fishing workers

Fatalities per 100k: 111.8

Fatalities in 2008: 38

Most common cause of death: Transportation incidents

Average wage: $13/h

Source: BLS and PayScale (5-9 y experience)

I wonder if some of the fishermen from Louisiana would come here to Fairfax County and work for $100k??

most dangerous jobs Wrote:
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> I wonder if some of the fishermen from Louisiana
> would come here to Fairfax County and work for
> $100k??


They will if they have extensive firefighting experience and know how to manage other firefighters. Danger <> pay. Knowledge, experience, skill, and VALUE = pay.

That was a really dumb argument.

Your ending question is, "who will want these jobs?" Well if they are jobs like the media keeps telling us ,"americans wont do" then the illegal aliens will take them....

The 15 Most Dangerous Jobs In America


No. 4: Structural iron and steel workers

Fatalities per 100k: 45.5

Fatalities in 2007: 40

Most common cause of death: Contact with objects and equipment

Average wage: $19/h

Source: BLS and PayScale (5-9 y experience)


HUH??? I thought the whole justification for high pay was that the job was dangerous???

What about the steel and iron workers?

Show them the money.

But, hey, you guys, deserve your pension. So what if you suck every last dime out of the taxpayers."

They do, legally. They signed an employment contract with FFX county, FFX County must oblige.

Also, give them credit for running a half decent county, if not your property values wouldn't be increasing each year.



The county is not obliged. You do not sign your retirement contract until you retire and there is no obligation on the part of the VRS until that moment. This was written by a state attorney in a union newsletter that I receive. There are NO guarantees on retirement pay. It will be what it will be. Everyone should be saving for retirement if they want to retire.

Look at Greece. Who 'ya gonna sue?

NJ teacher retirements at record high; some spurred by Gov. Chris Christie agenda

By RICK MALWITZ, JARED KALTWASSER, SUE LOYER, SUZANNE RUSSELL, LEO D. ROMMEL and GENE RACZ • STAFF WRITERS • July 11, 2010

School officials are grappling with a fourth R this summer.

In addition to the traditional reading, 'riting and 'rithmetic, there is a wave of retirement, with public school teachers retiring this year at nearly double the rate of recent years.

This month, according to the state Department of Treasury's Division of Pensions and Benefits, retirement applications have been filed by 5,444 teachers.

Last July the division received 2,203 applications. In 2008 it received 2,731 in July. In 2007 it received 3,168 in July, the month which traditionally has the largest number of filings.

The number of teachers who filed with the intent of retiring this calendar year is 6,840.

If the intentions to retire maintain the traditional pattern from August through December, the final figure will likely be double the 3,671 in 2009.

“About half (retirements) you would expect,” said Steve Wollmer, director of communications for the New Jersey Education Association, the largest teachers union in the state.

“What we're also hearing is people are fed up with the political climate, and the uncertainty of what they're getting back into,” Wollmer said.

"There are grumblings about (Gov. Chris Christie) going after existing pensions,” Wollmer said.

Under the austerity plan by Christie about $1.5 billion has been cut for public education, and the feeling in the teachers' union is that more changes are in store.

“The political factors are out there,” said Frank Belluscio, director of communications for the New Jersey School Boards Association.

“For people who have had retirement in the horizon just the prospect of their retirement income being affected might have prompted them to make the move now,” Belluscio said.

Speaking at the National Governors Association in Boston on Friday, Christie delivered a message of austerity and cited his battles with public sector unions.

“The public-sector unions need to become part of the shared sacrifice and they're refusing to,” Christie said.

If there is some good news in the school retirement figures, it is the fact that retirements will allow some teachers to be retained instead of becoming victims of layoffs.

“The net effect on the public schools is we're losing 10,000 positions. With more teachers retiring fewer teachers will be laid off,” Wollmer said.

Cindy Zammit, president of the South Amboy Board of Education, said the rise in retirements helped the district lessen the number of layoffs. “It was a positive for us,” she said.

In New Brunswick, Superintendent Richard Kaplan said his district has seen about 30-35 retirements so far.

“That did help us with our budget as we begin to take a look at our class enrollments and determine whether or not we need to re-hire teachers, in particular,” Kaplan said.

Kaplan said district officials will analyze the enrollment numbers to decide how many and what kinds of teachers to rehire. He expected to complete that analysis by Tuesday.

Kaplan said he believes changes instituted by the Christie administration were responsible for some, though not all, of the retirements.

“I do some exit conferencing and when I do, I can tell you that out of that group, seven or eight of them told me that,” Kaplan said.

Kaplan said the losses included administrators, teachers, secretaries and other staff. Altogether, he said the retiring staff had about 300 years of experience working in the district.

“When you lose a large number of senior staff all at once, you lose an institutional memory of the organization, of the community, of the students,” he said. “We've had teachers who have been here 30 and 40 years and have taught the parents of their current students. We go back generations here.”

In East Brunswick, there were 56 retirements this year as opposed to 40 the year before.

“One of the things we will certainly do, as retirements come in beyond anticipated, is look at the staff that had been riffed and see how positions can be preserved,” said Bernardo Giuliani, East Brunswick school business administrator.
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In Perth Amboy, 73 employees from the school district, at all different levels, have retired.

“It's the most I've seen at one time,” Superintendent of Schools John M. Rodecker said.


Many of the retirements came from teaching staff, possibly related to rumors about pension reform, Rodecker said.

The district was looking to lay off about 30 teachers. About a third of those teachers now will be retained, according to Rodecker.

Seventy-nine positions were cut in Old Bridge, according to Superintendent of Schools Simon Bosco. About 30 positions were eliminated through attrition or were vacant and will not be filled, he said.

“Based on a couple of additional retirements, there were fewer teachers that had to be let go,” Bosco said.

Frank Alfano, the superintendent of schools in Sayreville, said the number of teachers retiring will likely be double what it was in recent years.

A total of 24 staff members have retired from the Linden school district, a figure much higher than recent past years.

“Last year we have eight or nine retirements. They went up a lot,” Linden Superintendent of Schools Rocco Tomazic said.

The district was originally looking to lay off 100 employees, but that number was reduced to 86, according to Tomazic.

“One of our goals was to keep as many people as we could. I was pleased we could do that. I still don't like (losing) 86,” Tomazic said. “It takes out the supports we had built up.”

Mike Lacey, director of human resources for South Brunswick Township schools, said the district has had a combination of layoffs and retirements.

According to Lacey, there have been about 20 retirements and about 140 layoffs among 1,300 full-time equivalent positions.

There's another way to solve these problems---it's called hyperinflation. The politicians prefer not to get their hands dirty.

SMYTH,LINDA QUINNE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBER BOARD OF SUPERVISORS $75,000.02
MCKAY,JEFFREY C BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBER BOARD OF SUPERVISORS $75,000.02

HYLAND,GERALD W BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBER BOARD OF SUPERVISORS $75,000.02
HUDGINS,CATHERINE M BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBER BOARD OF SUPERVISORS $75,000.02
HERRITY,PATRICK S BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBER BOARD OF SUPERVISORS $75,000.02
GROSS,PENELOPE ANN BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBER BOARD OF SUPERVISORS $75,000.02
FREY,MICHAEL R BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBER BOARD OF SUPERVISORS $75,000.02
FOUST,JOHN W BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBER BOARD OF SUPERVISORS $75,000.02
COOK,JOHN BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBER BOARD OF SUPERVISORS $75,000.02

BULOVA,SHARON S BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
CHAIRMAN BOARD OF SUPERVISORS $75,000.02


Don't these guys have other jobs also???

JANSEN,PAUL M. COMMUNITY & RECREATION SVCS PARK/REC SPECIALIST IV $73,512.19


Paul Jansen "retired" from Farfax County Public Schools two years ago. He was the head of student activities probably clocking $120k per year.

So, he "retires"...draws his VRS pnesion, and then goes and work for the parks department.

Nice system they got going.

This is a problem world wide.

High Salary baby-boomers are retiring, while Gen X,Y and Z are not making enough to support their retirement. It was fine when the boomers were in their 30's and 40's, but no we are doomed. Only solution, wait till they die off. Or Tax anyone over 65 more, because they didn't pay enough.

RASMUSSEN,JULIE DIANE MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER EXEC DIR MCLEAN COMM CTR $115,003.20
KILEY,CLARE M MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER DEP COMMUNITY CENTER DIR $98,000.86
ROBERTS,SAM A MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/REC SPECIALIST II $73,878.69
GARRETT,JENNIFER MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER THEATER TECHNICAL DIRECTOR $73,878.69
ANWAH,SABRINA GARY MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER COMMUNICATIONS SPECIALIST II $72,791.89
SHEA,MARGARET M MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/REC SPECIALIST II $72,106.53
SACHS,GEORGE ALBERT MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/REC SPECIALIST III $68,136.85
SCHALLERN,SARAH N MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER THEATRICAL ARTS DIRECTOR $63,300.64
MCGOVERN,JOSEPH J MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER CHIEF BLDG MAINTENANCE SECT $59,609.89
BROWN,VIVIAN R MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST IV $54,856.88
BROOKES,RYAN BROCKENBOROUGH MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/RECREATION ASSISTANT $46,820.80
HERR,KATHLEEN E MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/REC SPECIALIST I $46,215.52
DEVONSHYRE,NATHAN ADAM MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER ASST THEATER TECHNICAL DIR $42,370.85
FISHER,MICHAEL S. MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/REC SPECIALIST I $42,128.32
HOLZ,DEANNA MELISSA MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/REC SPECIALIST I $41,967.12
DAVIS,JONATHAN LY MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER FACILITY ATTENDANT II $41,441.30
KATZ,ELIZABETH G MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST IV $39,029.33
MOORE,MARGARET A MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST II $36,293.50
KING,JUSTIN TANNER MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER FACILITY ATTENDANT II $36,207.60
JAFF,NADIA YADULLAH MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST III $34,959.81
SCOTT,YULANDA ALLEN MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER INTERNET/INTRANET ARCHITECT II $34,560.00
CALLAHAN,NORA DUGAL MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER FACILITY ATTENDANT I $30,240.00
BARIAL,ELLEN VIRGINIA MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT V $26,893.36
FOX,ELLEN L MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST II $25,510.16
BOWEN,SCOTT C MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER FACILITY ATTENDANT I $22,745.05
VONEIFF,CORINNE MARY MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER FACILITY ATTENDANT I $22,080.00
BUCKLAND,SYLVIA A MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST II $21,319.58
SMOOT,BARBARA KING MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST II $20,844.93
STANKUS,SUSAN GRECO MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER FACILITY ATTENDANT I $19,722.76
MOHAMMED,HUSSAIN ALI AKBAR MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER GRAPHIC ARTIST III $19,680.00
MORRIS,CRAIG DOUGLAS MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER FACILITY ATTENDANT I $19,157.65
STABLES,JONATHAN S. MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER FACILITY ATTENDANT I $17,953.40
VERDON,EVELYN EMMA MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER FACILITY ATTENDANT I $17,429.88
SNIDER,MATTHEW S MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER FACILITY ATTENDANT I $16,766.25
MCAFEE,ANNE H MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST II $16,640.00
POWELL,MYRON G MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER FACILITY ATTENDANT I $13,886.88
DEGUEFU,DANIEL D MCLEAN COMMUNITY CENTER FACILITY ATTENDANT I $10,608.00


Is this really necessary?

GORDON,LEILA RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER EXEC DIR RESTON COMM CTR $113,420.11
WARD,THOMAS LESLIE RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER DEP COMMUNITY CENTER DIR $98,000.86
WOJCICKI,RENATA JOANNA RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ACCOUNTANT II $85,109.02
RASHID,HARUNOR RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER NETWORK/TELECOM ANALYST I $81,024.53
EMERY,MICHAEL RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER CHIEF BLDG MAINTENANCE SECT $74,631.65
IFERT,LINDA S RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER THEATER TECHNICAL DIRECTOR $73,878.69
DANAHER,KEVIN JAMES RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/REC SPECIALIST II $73,878.69
LEARY,JOSEPH R RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/REC SPECIALIST II $72,802.91
NGUYEN,THUYHANH NGOC RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER COMMUNICATIONS SPECIALIST II $69,663.36
DANAHER,CHERI L RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/REC SPECIALIST II $69,410.02
BOONE,EILEEN O'CONNOR RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/REC SPECIALIST III $67,128.05
SINCLAIR,DAMIAN JOHN RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER THEATRICAL ARTS DIRECTOR $61,048.00
ELCESSER,PAMELA A RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER MANAGEMENT ANALYST I $56,336.18
BRUTSCHE,MARK L RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ASST THEATER TECHNICAL DIR $55,374.80
HERON,DEBORAH A RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/REC SPECIALIST II $50,778.83
SIEBOR,GRAZYNA MALGORIATA RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST IV $50,563.14
ELLIOTT,COLLEEN MAGUIRE RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST IV $49,999.87
JORDAN,NAKISH M. RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/REC SPECIALIST II $49,364.22
ARGUINZONI,MIA L. RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST IV $48,879.17
ARGUINZONI,ROBERTO RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/REC SPECIALIST II $48,145.97
BRYANT,HELEN M RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST II $47,927.15
PADVELSKIS,ASHLEY LAUREN RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER GRAPHIC ARTIST III $47,840.00
CONROY,ZURII TAMIKA RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/REC SPECIALIST II $47,779.68
GOMEZ,ALEXANDER F RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ASST THEATER TECHNICAL DIR $47,000.10
GANNON,BRIAN S RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT V $46,445.78
VOUGHT,JENNIFER MICHELLE RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/REC SPECIALIST I $46,000.03
SORENSON,SCOTT MICHAEL RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/RECREATION ASSISTANT $45,022.43
SCURTO,JOHN JOSEPH RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER SENIOR MAINTENANCE WORKER $42,851.54
MUKERJEA,SUBROTO RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST III $41,772.85
FARRELL,PATRICIA DUDLEY RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER FACILITY ATTENDANT II $41,215.41
PARKER,WILLIAM D. RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST IV $37,128.00
MURRAY,MELISSA NICOLE RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST II $35,875.22
COLE,IVAN F RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST II $35,427.60
NGUYEN,TRUNG RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER SENIOR MAINTENANCE WORKER $33,218.85
HILZ,COREY R. RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $33,150.00
HANNA,STEPHANIE R. RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $32,604.00
WYATT,JAMES L RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $31,200.00
MAIDA,JANICE RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $31,200.00
LASHLEY,CHRISTINE MARGARET RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $31,200.00
CANTWELL,MICHAEL GERARD RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $31,200.00
CAMPOS,SANTOS NESTOR RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER MAINTENANCE WORKER $30,889.04
HURST,JENNIFER PEART RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $29,250.00
GUARDADO LEIVA,GILBERTO RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER MAINTENANCE WORKER $28,675.92
HUTSON,KERRY M RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $28,080.00
RYAN,JEANETTE OLIVIERO RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $27,300.00
GOLIAS,MARILYN JEANINE RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $27,300.00
FORTUNO,CYNTHIA GELTZ RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $27,300.00
BASS,LINDSAY REBECCA RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $27,300.00
SOARES,GAZELLE L RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/RECREATION ASSISTANT $26,000.00
NAVARRO,MARIA TERESA RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $23,400.00
LAZEAR,WALTER DAVIES RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $23,400.00
KELLY,PAULINE C. RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $23,400.00
CUBAS,PILAR GUILERMINA RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $23,400.00
LAYTON,AMANDA J RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/RECREATION ASSISTANT $20,800.00
KOWALSKI,LAURA ANN SCHEURER RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $20,280.00
SCHONBERGER,JUDY DIANE RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $20,082.35
SAMET,SEYMOUR RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR IV $20,082.35
GALLETS,ERIN B RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR III $19,760.00
LAYAZALI,MAHSA RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST I $19,695.00
DONNELLY,HANNAH RACHEL RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR III $19,251.75
GOLLOP-PAGANI,KIM MELODY RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/RECREATION ASSISTANT $18,720.00
DOBBINS,BARBARA J RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR I $18,720.00
MORROW,GLORIA JEAN RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST II $18,220.80
WELLS,OSCAR THOMAS RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/RECREATION ASSISTANT $18,200.00
SCHIRES,KATHERINE R RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/RECREATION ASSISTANT $17,680.00
MORROW,TERRENCE PATRICK RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER PARK/RECREATION ASSISTANT $17,680.00
BRADSHAW,JANET ELIZABETH RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST II $16,943.89
ROSA,EVELYN PATRICIA RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST II $16,704.90
MAYNARD,TERRY LESLIE RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER REC LEADER I $16,224.00
CHRISTIE-HEALY,VICTORIA JOSEPH RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR I $16,036.80
COSHLAND,PATRICIA A RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR I $15,600.00
DORAN,EBONY L RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER REC LEADER II $15,360.00
LABORDE,JOEL FRANCISCO RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER MAINTENANCE WORKER $15,331.68
GALLAS,SUMI NONOGUCHI RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST II $15,250.00
ALHADI,MOHAMMED NURU RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER MAINTENANCE WORKER $14,406.29
KASPROWICZ,RYAN M RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER HEAD LIFE GUARD $13,650.00
JONES,CAYLIN L RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER HEAD LIFE GUARD $13,650.00
BERGER,ALEC LANDON RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER HEAD LIFE GUARD $13,650.00
RASHID,SANJIDA ZANNATH RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST I $13,130.00
MINASSIAN,GREGOIRE RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST I $13,130.00
KIRK,JOYCE E. RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST I $13,130.00
CHOWDHURY,RIFAT ZAMAN RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST I $13,130.00
CHIRAYATH,ASHOK RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST I $13,130.00
ALI,MARION LOUISE ALLEN RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER ADMIN ASST I $13,130.00
SHADA,JAMES MCKIM RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER HEAD LIFE GUARD $12,880.00
ALEMAN,VICENTE RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER REC LEADER II $12,604.80
SHACKFORD,VICTORIA C RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER INSTRUCTOR III $12,464.00
GALLICHIO,EDWARD JOSEPH RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER REC LEADER II $12,000.00
BURROW,SAAN RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER REC LEADER II $11,664.00
GALLAS,ZACHARY KIYO RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER LIFEGUARD II $11,592.00
LEBRON,WILFREDO RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER REC LEADER II $11,520.00
GONZALEZ,SANTOS A RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER REC LEADER II $11,520.00
HANELINE,MARYBETH PRETORIUS RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER DAY CARE CENTER ASST TEACHER $10,513.95
RAMOS,LAUREN MICHELLE RESTON COMMUNITY CENTER LIFEGUARD II $10,140.00

DITTO for Reston.

double dipper Wrote:
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> JANSEN,PAUL M. COMMUNITY &
> RECREATION SVCS PARK/REC SPECIALIST IV
> $73,512.19
>
>
> Paul Jansen "retired" from Farfax County Public
> Schools two years ago. He was the head of student
> activities probably clocking $120k per year.
>
> So, he "retires"...draws his VRS pnesion, and then
> goes and work for the parks department.
>
> Nice system they got going.


If you already have a decent retirement and still want to work...VOLUNTEER or start your own business, leave that job for people coming up in their careers. The feds do the same thing. It makes me so angry.

Here's another one that retired, left to become fire chief in Henrico, VA, returned to run the fire department here and now is in DROP.

MASTIN,RONALD L CHIEF FIRE AND RESCUE DEPT $175,566.56

How can some people be making 17 times as much as others?

IMHO Wrote:
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> double dipper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JANSEN,PAUL M. COMMUNITY &
> > RECREATION SVCS PARK/REC SPECIALIST IV
>
> > $73,512.19
> >
> >
> > Paul Jansen "retired" from Farfax County Public
> > Schools two years ago. He was the head of
> student
> > activities probably clocking $120k per year.
> >
> > So, he "retires"...draws his VRS pnesion, and
> then
> > goes and work for the parks department.
> >
> > Nice system they got going.
>
>
> If you already have a decent retirement and still
> want to work...VOLUNTEER or start your own
> business, leave that job for people coming up in
> their careers. The feds do the same thing. It
> makes me so angry.

If people actually did that I wonder how much it would help the unemployment figure. Gotta be a couple of percentage points.

ludicrous Wrote:
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> How can some people be making 17 times as much as
> others?

They bring 17 times as much value and/or 17 times as scarce to find people who can do their job effectively.

Running an entire rec center, with a budget likely in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars, is orders of magnitude more difficult than being a lifeguard. For the most part, any fit person can be trained to be a lifeguard; that's why so many are teens. But not anyone can run an entire rec center with a staff of dozens.

Oh no here we go with salaries again and the problem is that you all don't know the whole story. Wait until you see the overtime that the firefighters are making, There some in the firefighter rank making over 150K and many lieutenants, captains and battalion chiefs making close to 200k if not more with overtime. Then we have not included the benefits along with some great priviledges like phones, computers and many cars they take home using county gas everyday. There are some really big scams happening in the fire and rescue dept they just need to be uncovered.

I find it amusing that we're hating on the fire guys instead of the popo or the teachers.

cold Wrote:
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> Okay, so start hiring PhDs to fight fires. They
> probably want those jobs.

Actually, I know a PhD psychologist that works as a Fairfax County firefighter. He makes more money as a firefighter than he would working for DHS. He admits that when the work is hard, it is hard, but otherwise it is an easy job that allows him to run his private practive on the side.

ROHRER,DAVID M POLICE CHIEF POLICE $176,366.32
SELLERS,STEPHEN L POLICE DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE $164,341.84
PETERS,CHARLES K POLICE DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE $164,341.84
MORRIS,JAMES A POLICE DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE $156,516.05
RYAN,THOMAS POLICE POLICE MAJOR $149,381.02
MOSER,JOSIAH L POLICE POLICE MAJOR $149,381.02
HURLOCK,ARTHUR J POLICE POLICE MAJOR $149,381.02
BARRETT,SHAWN M POLICE POLICE MAJOR $149,381.02
SMITH,SHARON REILLY POLICE POLICE MAJOR $142,268.05
ROESSLER,EDWIN C POLICE POLICE MAJOR $142,268.05
MCALISTER,CYNTHIA ANN POLICE POLICE MAJOR $129,039.66
KLINE,MICHAEL A POLICE POLICE MAJOR $129,039.66
DEBOARD,MAGGIE A POLICE POLICE MAJOR $129,039.66
ROSEN,CHRISTOPHER W POLICE INFO TECH PROGRAM MANAGER II $122,279.46
SOO-THO,KOK MUN POLICE POLICE PSYCHOLOGIST $120,758.98
WILSON,DENNIS F POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $118,330.99
THORNTON,PAUL L POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $118,330.99
PORTEE,DORIAN B POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $118,330.99
PARRA,ISABELLA SOPHIA POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $118,330.99
NOVAK,RONALD P POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $118,330.99
MINNICH,PAMELA KAY POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $118,330.99
MCGOWAN,GRAHAM H POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $118,330.99
LANTZ,RON L POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $118,330.99
HOPSON,DENISE LYNN POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $118,330.99
HILL,JOSEPH R POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $118,330.99
FERGUSON,BRUCE K POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $118,330.99
DITTMER,MICHAEL D POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $118,330.99
DAWSON,PURVIS L POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $118,330.99
CULIN,SUSAN HICKS POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $118,330.99
CALL,JAMES D POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $118,330.99
BURNETT,DEBORAH L POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $118,330.99
BENNETT,SHAWN P POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $118,330.99
THOMPSON,STEPHEN J POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $112,696.06
SCHAIBLE,ERIN FLAHERTY POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $112,696.06
PIPER,JOHN R POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $112,696.06
OCARROLL,EDWARD C POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $112,696.06
MOYER,DAVID ROBERT POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $112,696.06
JANICKEY,DANIEL P POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $112,696.06
ARNN,ROGER E POLICE POLICE CAPTAIN $112,696.06
ELLIOTT,YOUKO H POLICE MANAGEMENT ANALYST IV $111,113.81
TRACE,JOHN S POLICE POLICE LIEUTENANT $108,037.28
TOWNSEND,DANIEL J POLICE POLICE LIEUTENANT $108,037.28
THOMPSON,PAUL POLICE POLICE LIEUTENANT $108,037.28
RUSSELL,DAVID A POLICE POLICE LIEUTENANT $108,037.28
ROGERS,THOMAS J POLICE POLICE LIEUTENANT $108,037.28
POWELL,JEFFREY E POLICE POLICE LIEUTENANT $108,037.28
PEREZ,RICHARD J POLICE POLICE LIEUTENANT $108,037.28
NAYLOR,JOHN P POLICE POLICE LIEUTENANT $108,037.28
MCALISTER,MICHAEL A POLICE POLICE LIEUTENANT $108,037.28
JOYCE,WILLIAM R POLICE POLICE LIEUTENANT $108,037.28
JACOBY,WILLIAM J POLICE POLICE LIEUTENANT $108,037.28
HICKS,PAUL D POLICE POLICE LIEUTENANT $108,037.28
GAMBLE,LLOYD B POLICE POLICE LIEUTENANT $108,037.28
CRANK,DAVID A POLICE POLICE LIEUTENANT $108,037.28
BENNETT,TOR J POLICE POLICE LIEUTENANT $108,037.28
BAINE,KENNETH R POLICE POLICE LIEUTENANT $108,037.28

An earlier poster said that "You can't even live in Fairfax County under $100k".

Huh?

You must be outraged at what the county pays these hard-working employees.



STICKLEY,GABRIELE WATROUS HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $14,061.04
WHITTICK,EDNA MELVINA HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $14,060.77
SMITH,JARACY ANN HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $13,689.76
SMITH,BRENDA DYANE HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $13,689.76
PASUPULATI,MELINDA HEATH HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $13,689.76
DELUCA-PHILLIPS,NINA C HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $13,689.76
COTE,KEJON K HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $13,689.76
ALLEN FISCHER,HEIDI LINETTE HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $13,689.76
PHILLIPS,CHERYL JEAN HEALTH ADMIN ASST III $13,209.74
MULLINS,KATHRYN BARBARA HEALTH SCHOOL HEALTH AIDE $11,408.14

To the poster who commented that Fairfax isn't burning down everyday...

It might, just might, be because the fire department is doing its job?

what about them? Wrote:
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> An earlier poster said that "You can't even live
> in Fairfax County under $100k".
>
> Huh?
>
> You must be outraged at what the county pays these
> hard-working employees.




Those are probably part time/seasonal jobs.

Oh No Wrote:
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> Oh no here we go with salaries again and the
> problem is that you all don't know the whole
> story. Wait until you see the overtime that the
> firefighters are making, There some in the
> firefighter rank making over 150K and many
> lieutenants, captains and battalion chiefs making
> close to 200k if not more with overtime. Then we
> have not included the benefits along with some
> great priviledges like phones, computers and many
> cars they take home using county gas everyday.
> There are some really big scams happening in the
> fire and rescue dept they just need to be
> uncovered.




LOL Why are you so angry?

Blessed are the murderous.

Why do you guys keep branding concerned TAXPAYERS as haters, bitter, jealous, etc?

It is so lame and transparent.

We have every right to question inflated salaries when we are the ones paying the salary.

If you want to be overpaid for the work that you do and the contribution you do or don't make to society, go work for a private company.

Stop expecting the taxpayer to fund your retirement when we are struggling to fund our own.

ABER,WILMA T ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $23,725.44
REISER,JUDITH L ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $22,812.92
PERALTA,JOSEPH ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $22,812.92
HENAO,JAIME J. ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $22,812.92
ESCOBAR,CECELIA ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $22,812.92
ENGLISH,WILLIAM H. ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $22,812.92
SMALDONE,GERARD ANTHONY ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $22,554.06
WENGER,JESSICA L ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
SNABLY,KATHERINE CURRY ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
POERIO,ROCHELLE A. ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
KEITH,KAISHA PARIGIN ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
JESSUP,JESSIE KEEN ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
HODGSON,KENT B ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
HALBROOK,STEPHEN DALE ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
GONZALEZ,DANIELA LOURDES ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
FUENTES,RAMIRO CARLOS ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
DAY,JULIE ALYSON ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
BARNES,EDWARD CLEVE ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
ALLEN,MERCEDES E ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60
ADAMS,JENNA D ADMIN FOR HUMAN SERVICES PROBATION COUNSELOR I $21,686.60

stop the nonsense Wrote:
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> Why do you guys keep branding concerned TAXPAYERS
> as haters, bitter, jealous, etc?
>
> It is so lame and transparent.
>
> We have every right to question inflated salaries
> when we are the ones paying the salary.
>
> If you want to be overpaid for the work that you
> do and the contribution you do or don't make to
> society, go work for a private company.
>
> Stop expecting the taxpayer to fund your
> retirement when we are struggling to fund our own.



Who is we? It's just you and your copy/paste of salaries. You keep bringing up retirement over and over and the struggles of taxpayer's funding their own retirement.

I guess you lost a lot of money with some poor investments huh?

what about them? Wrote:
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> An earlier poster said that "You can't even live
> in Fairfax County under $100k".
>
> Huh?
>
> You must be outraged at what the county pays these
> hard-working employees.[/quote]

No, nobody did say that. Now you're making stuff up. Well, more stuff.

eesh Wrote:
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> I guess you lost a lot of money with some poor
> investments huh?

Who hasn't? This includes the county. Difference is we take our loss and their's is covered by tax increases.

I wonder what your agenda is...rather odd, I think, that you are so willing to accept the fact that some county employees are overpaid and that many are underpaid.

For the record, I do quite well financially. We have a limited amount of money we can spend on our county budget. 54% goes to the schools-that is a separate discussion. The rest is allocated based on need and priorities. Most of it is spoken for- for example interest on our bond debt, cost of running facilities, the rest is salaries/benes and pension. The last part is probably 75% of the cost of running the county.

It makes sense to evaluate if we even need all these positions-has our governement gotten too large (many agree on this). We then need to evaluate the compensation that is offered-is it reasonable based on the educational level, expertise, etc. If we privatized our fire and police force-salaries would do a freefall. There are 12 million unemployed people in this country-many who would love to work for the fire department for 60k-forget about $150-200k.

Taxpayers would save hundreds of millions of dollars.

I really don't buy the argument that firefighting is all that complicated and hard to master. I see these guys running around the high school track-I doubt many of them are physically able to fight a fire.

I pay taxes-lots of them. I resent it going to bloated salaries and being lied to by the unions about how "poor" public servants are.

Your dirty union money keeps the politicians at bay and that is how you have managed to swindle the taxpayers.

One of these days-probably very soon-the truth will come out.

> I had no idea that these people were paid so
> little. Hopefully this recession will be behind us
> at some point in the near future and we can boost
> the salary of these dedicated individuals who are
> willing to serve the public at these reduced
> income levels. Remember this is Fairfax county
> where 200k is nearly poverty level. I would hate
> to see us loose these highly talented people to
> other counties or the private sector.


Actually the poster said that $200k is near poverty level

eesh is an idiot Wrote:
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>
> For the record, I do quite well financially.

Bullshit. You wouldn't be complaining about your retirement on the internet then.


> The rest is allocated based
> on need and priorities. Most of it is spoken for-
> for example interest on our bond debt, cost of
> running facilities, the rest is salaries/benes and
> pension. The last part is probably 75% of the
> cost of running the county.


Do you really know this? I noticed you like to use the word "probably" in your statistics.


> We then need to
> evaluate the compensation that is offered-is it
> reasonable based on the educational level,
> expertise, etc.


Correct, and the salary that is being paid is competitive. These qualified people would go to another county if they weren't paid well.


> If we privatized our fire and
> police force-salaries would do a freefall. There
> are 12 million unemployed people in this
> country-many who would love to work for the fire
> department for 60k-forget about $150-200k.


I doubt all those unemployed people meet the qualifications, physical, mental, etc. Also, privatizing these public services would create even more competition for qualified employees, which would drive up salaries.

DUH!


> I really don't buy the argument that firefighting
> is all that complicated and hard to master. I see
> these guys running around the high school track-I
> doubt many of them are physically able to fight a
> fire.



Have you seen them in action, fighting fires? Or do you just stare at them at the track?



> One of these days-probably very soon-the truth
> will come out.


Dun DUn DUUUUUUNNNN!!!

eesh is an idiot Wrote:
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> I really don't buy the argument that firefighting
> is all that complicated and hard to master. I see
> these guys running around the high school track-I
> doubt many of them are physically able to fight a
> fire.

See, now I know that:
a) You don't know what you're talking about.
b) You're not very intelligent.
c) You're not interested in dialogue, you're on a vendetta for God knows what reason.

Kardinal Wrote:
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> eesh is an idiot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I really don't buy the argument that
> firefighting
> > is all that complicated and hard to master. I
> see
> > these guys running around the high school
> track-I
> > doubt many of them are physically able to fight
> a
> > fire.
>
> See, now I know that:
> a) You don't know what you're talking about.
> b) You're not very intelligent.
> c) You're not interested in dialogue, you're on a
> vendetta for God knows what reason.


I think the person that started this thread and is continuously posting under different names probably was turned down for a county job. Probably a firefighter position, since this moron keeps complaining about firemens' salaries and "lack of education" for such good pay.

Now, he or she is stuck in some low pay service or retail job, and is on a mission to expose public employees that make decent salaries.

I think eesh is a fat, lazy, stupid, retired firefighter who is glad he was able to rape and pillage the county taxpayer and doesn't give a crap about anyone but himself.

Oh, and he is an anti-social loner who has nothing better to do but post on the FU all day and night.

today he has 12 posts
yesterday 36
Sunday 36

I guess he has noone in his life. Poor lonely, pathetic man.

I almost pity him.

what is eesh about? Wrote:
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> I think eesh is a fat, lazy, stupid, retired
> firefighter who is glad he was able to rape and
> pillage the county taxpayer and doesn't give a
> crap about anyone but himself.
>
> Oh, and he is an anti-social loner who has nothing
> better to do but post on the FU all day and
> night.
>
> today he has 12 posts
> yesterday 36
> Sunday 36
>
> I guess he has noone in his life. Poor lonely,
> pathetic man.
>
> I almost pity him.



OH SNAP!

No, not a firefighter, but I respect what they do for a living and wonder why some tool is criticizing them on the internet. You're going after firefighters of all people!

I'm glad I struck a nerve so bad you went out of your way to count how many posts I made on certain days. Was it the comment I made about you being rejected for a county job? Or was it when I made fun of you for having a piece of shit 401k?

LOL

GRIFFIN,ANTHONY H COUNTY EXECUTIVE COUNTY EXECUTIVE $240,186.13
LONG,EDWARD L COUNTY EXECUTIVE DEP COUNTY EXECUTIVE $195,039.73
MOLCHANY,DAVID J COUNTY EXECUTIVE DEP COUNTY EXECUTIVE $188,470.46
STALZER,ROBERT A. COUNTY EXECUTIVE DEP COUNTY EXECUTIVE $187,577.31
HARRISON,PATRICIA DEAN COUNTY EXECUTIVE DEP COUNTY EXECUTIVE $175,000.18
BYRON,BARBARA A COUNTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, OCRR $146,198.62
CHIANESE,CATHERINE A COUNTY EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT COUNTY EXECUTIVE $135,057.94
MITTEREDER,SUSAN E COUNTY EXECUTIVE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR $132,796.77
PIETSCH,CHRISTOPHER J. COUNTY EXECUTIVE DIR INTERNAL AUDIT $128,182.50
AGAZI,KAMBIZ COUNTY EXECUTIVE ENVIRONMENTAL COORDINATOR $125,539.86
STEVENS,PATRICIA MARIE COUNTY EXECUTIVE EXEC DIR OFFICE OF PARTNSHPS $123,000.18
HAGG,ELIZABETH ANNE COUNTY EXECUTIVE DEPUTY DIRECTOR, OCRR $120,758.98
FOUT,JOHN B COUNTY EXECUTIVE DEP DIRECTOR INTERNAL AUDIT $120,758.98
ARNDT,SHARON D COUNTY EXECUTIVE HEALTH PROMOTION/PRIVACY COORD $119,790.74
HARWOOD,KAREN J COUNTY EXECUTIVE ASST COUNTY ATTORNEY V $115,200.00
HICKLIN,INGRID PARRIS COUNTY EXECUTIVE PROGRAM MANAGER $109,215.60
PRIBADI,SHARON ANN COUNTY EXECUTIVE AUDITOR IV $104,167.65
ROONEY,BRENDA L COUNTY EXECUTIVE INFORMATION SYSTEMS AUDITOR $102,724.75
ELLIS,DAVID COUNTY EXECUTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD/COMM BLDG COORD $101,936.64
MCGILL,AMANDA S COUNTY EXECUTIVE PROGRAM & PROCEDURES COORD $101,895.04
ARKO,CLAUDIA H COUNTY EXECUTIVE LEGISLATIVE LIAISON $97,981.73
BEEMAN,JEFFREY SCOTT COUNTY EXECUTIVE AUDITOR III $97,755.01
SAULSBURY,MICHAEL P COUNTY EXECUTIVE AUDITOR III $97,485.02
SHABAN,KAREN R COUNTY EXECUTIVE PROGRAM & PROCEDURES COORD $95,183.92
SIZER,SCOTT M COUNTY EXECUTIVE REVITALIZATION COMMUNITY DEV $92,382.16
GOUTAM,ANDREA ELIZABETH COUNTY EXECUTIVE AUDITOR III $86,225.15
HILL,BRIDGET FAIRCHILD COUNTY EXECUTIVE REVITALIZATION COMMUNITY DEV $84,574.46
CARRERA,ROSARIO A COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST III $83,159.02
SHEARD,ANN L COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST II $82,587.02
WANG,YI COUNTY EXECUTIVE INFORMATION SYSTEMS AUDITOR $81,497.31
WALZ-FUENTES,KAREN SUE COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST III $81,314.27
PESSAUD,VIRGINIA S COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST III $76,458.72
SCHAUWEKER,ANGELA CLEARY COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST II $76,410.05
HAVACH,JOANN COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSOCIATE $73,878.69
FLIS,MATTHEW J COUNTY EXECUTIVE REVITALIZATION COMMUNITY DEV $73,507.20
KELLY,ADAM C COUNTY EXECUTIVE GEOG INFO SPATIAL ANALYST II $73,243.66
ZAVELA,VANCE S COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST III $71,293.25
BOYLE,KATHLEEN T COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST III $68,317.39
STEWART,REGINA COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT V $67,233.50
ARMANI,TARA KALANTARY COUNTY EXECUTIVE INFORMATION SYSTEMS AUDITOR $64,827.78
BROWN,RICKY LEON COUNTY EXECUTIVE AUDITOR III $63,649.04
ROBINSON,SUSAN STANNERS COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT V $63,334.13
MAZZOLI,KAREN ELAINE COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT V $62,399.17
CASTOR,DIONNE ELIZABETH COUNTY EXECUTIVE COMMUNICATIONS SPECIALIST II $61,499.98
COOPER,MARTHA J COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT V $59,724.50
SHAW,SUSAN ANN COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT V $54,852.51
BENINCASA,THERESA ALBEN COUNTY EXECUTIVE INFO TECHNOLOGY EDUCATOR II $51,715.08
JENSEN,DEBORRAH COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMIN ASST IV $50,304.80
HALL,LUCIA BOWES COUNTY EXECUTIVE REVITALIZATION COMMUNITY DEV $44,104.32
DE LA VEGA,MARITZA BETHSABE COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMIN ASST IV $41,772.02
HARLESS,DARLENE B COUNTY EXECUTIVE ADMIN ASST II $39,802.88
KILEY,EVELYN M COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST II $39,281.09
REID,MONICA L COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST I $35,880.00
ALLEN,ANGELA SAULSBURY COUNTY EXECUTIVE REVITALIZATION COMMUNITY DEV $35,094.14
FARWELL,CRISTIN COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST I $33,584.10
WALLS,MARY JANE COUNTY EXECUTIVE WORK STUDENT III $24,960.00
DABSON,MEREDITH K COUNTY EXECUTIVE WORK STUDENT I $10,735.87


We have a Board of Supervisors which oversees much of what is done.

Do we really need all these people?

So are you saying they shouldn't be running on the track? How much sense does that make to complain about firefighters working on being physically fit and healthy??

Sorry, first post got all screwed up...

So are you saying they shouldn't be running on the track? How much sense does that make to complain about firefighters working on being physically fit and healthy??
Howabout we also complain about cops going to the shooting range? What about our armed forces too? Should we expect them not to constantly train and practice every day? WTF is your problem dude?

God bless those who put their lives on the line for us.

I think if a job requires you to be physically fit-then you should be physically fit.

Why should they exercise while they are on the clock?

Do it on your own time, like the rest of us do.

As far as those who can't run a mile because you haven't bothered to stay in shape-you get fired. Very simple. The job requires you to keep fit, you chose not to, go find another job.

job requirements Wrote:
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> I think if a job requires you to be physically
> fit-then you should be physically fit.
>
> Why should they exercise while they are on the
> clock?
>
> Do it on your own time, like the rest of us do.




How do you know they aren't running on their lunch break? Besides, it is an investment on the fire department's part to allow their employees to exercise, just as a police officer is paid while going to the firing range.

Your thought processes are skewed to say the least.

EDIT: Fixed grammar.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/27/2010 12:28PM by eesh.

The fire department tests every single employee every other year for physical fitness for duty. If you fail you get to retest once and after that it's the unemployment line.

I can tell that you don't understand fitness enough to know that its important to do every day. You cant do what those guys do when you only get to work out on your days off

WALZ-FUENTES,KAREN SUE COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST III $81,314.27
PESSAUD,VIRGINIA S COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST III $76,458.72
SCHAUWEKER,ANGELA CLEARY COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT ANALYST II $76,410.05

That makes no sense. If I was VA, I'd raise hell.

Starchild Wrote:
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> WALZ-FUENTES,KAREN SUE COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT
> ANALYST III $81,314.27
> PESSAUD,VIRGINIA S COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT
> ANALYST III $76,458.72
> SCHAUWEKER,ANGELA CLEARY COUNTY EXECUTIVE
> MANAGEMENT ANALYST II $76,410.05
>
> That makes no sense. If I was VA, I'd raise hell.



Well Starchild, what does make sense? What does Starchild think management analysts should make?

VRS changes may hurt W&M retirees

By Steve Vaughan

Saturday, July 10, 2010 2:15 AM EDT
WILLIAMSBURG — New changes in the way late-career raises at the College of William & Mary are treated by the Virginia Retirement System have the potential to seriously disrupt the plans of current, and former, faculty.

“There are between 20 and 50 people to whom this is just devastating,” said Stephen Knudson, a chemistry professor at the college. “I know that some people are having to rethink their retirement plans. And I’m one of them.”

For decades, the college has provided 7% and 8% raises to retiring employees during their last two years, even during periods when a state pay freeze was in effect. The effect was to bump their retirement benefits, which VRS formerly calculated on the average of the last three years’ salary. Because of changes enacted by this year’s General Assembly, VRS now calculates benefits for future employees based on their last five years.

But eliminating the W&M pay bumps from pension consideration wasn’t a result of changes to the law.

W&M, the only public college in Virginia known to provide the spiffs, has apparently been violating the law for decades by using the raises to boost pensions.

“I don’t know how this could happen,” said Clyde Haulman, Williamsburg’s mayor as well as a professor of economics. “The state law is very clear.”

Both Haulman and Knudson question why it was only now the program, which paid the raises for the last two years out of private funds and not tax dollars, had been noted by the VRS.

Possibly it came about as a result of a review of VRS procedures that led to changes in VRS benefits for new employees to save money and help fill a $4 billion hole in the state budget.

Knudson wasn’t buying it.

“If they did it to save money then I’d say that’s illegal,” he said in a phone interview. “They are required to craft a budget that pays the obligations of the Commonwealth.”

The state would no doubt argue that it wasn’t a legitimately incurred obligation.

Although the college used private money to fund the spiffs, VRS was left with the liability for the increased retirement benefits. For even moderately paid professors, the difference in pension payments amounted to hundreds of dollars a month.

To Knudson that doesn’t justify taking them away from employees who have already earned them. That includes employees who have already retired, because VRS disallowed the increased benefits retroactive to 2006.

That, Knudson said, has made him rethink his own retirement plans.

“I’d planned to retire this year, but now I don’t know,” he said.

That’s because the changes in the benefits are not trivial.

“It’s real money,” Haulman said.

In Knudson’s case, he said it amounted to losing about one month’s worth of benefits per year.

He’s angry about the way the cut was sprung on employees.

Although the bumps only applied to employees who had already signed retirement papers, Haulman said they might be allowed to rethink their decision since VRS changed the retirement agreement.

The college has said employees will continue to get the increases, although they will no longer count toward VRS benefits.

Haulman said the changes to the college’s benefits and the changes to state VRS benefits for new employees signal a big change in the works.

“It’s probably the end of defined benefit plans as we know them,” he said.

Defined benefit plans, traditional pensions, have already fallen out of use in the private sector, replaced by defined contribution plans, such as the ubiquitous 401k.

tl;dr

Starchild Wrote:
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> WALZ-FUENTES,KAREN SUE COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT
> ANALYST III $81,314.27
> PESSAUD,VIRGINIA S COUNTY EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT
> ANALYST III $76,458.72
> SCHAUWEKER,ANGELA CLEARY COUNTY EXECUTIVE
> MANAGEMENT ANALYST II $76,410.05
>
> That makes no sense. If I was VA, I'd raise hell.



Do you think they should be paid more or less?

"William & Mary cheats"

Your post is an evil wall of text!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/27/2010 02:04PM by Elle Diabla.
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This is what Montgomery County pays their Health Room Aides-


SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00
SCHOOL HLTH ROOM AIDE I HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES $38,234.00

That's crazy!!!



























...how many times you posted that phrase, that is

So we go from attacking Fairfax firefighters, to copying and pasting an article about a college, now we're copy/pasting Montgomery County salaries.

You have the attention span of a one week old puppy.

Blessed are the murderous.

This is the range of salaries for Fairfax County Crossing Guards:

CRAVEN,APRIL T. POLICE SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD $24,687.31
TSIANAKAS,PERISTERA POLICE SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD $22,195.68
WILLIAMS,JOYCE A POLICE SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD $11,097.84
PATTEN,CATHY L POLICE SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD $11,097.84

This is what Montgomery County MD pays crossing guards:

ALTOBELLI,ELENI DENMAN CROSSING GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
ANDRE,JOSEPHINE N CROSSING GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
WILLEMS,DEBORAH F. CROSSING GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
WOOD,ARTEMIS H CROSSING GUARD POLICE $46,567.00


Where is the police union in Fairfax????

Funny how they take care of the uniformed cops but let the crossing guards get screwed.

Maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with the first names of the workers.

THEY ARE ALL WOMEN.

I guess they need to fend for themselves.

What year is this anyways? 1960?

eesh Wrote:
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> So we go from attacking Fairfax firefighters, to
> copying and pasting an article about a college,
> now we're copy/pasting Montgomery County
> salaries.
>
> You have the attention span of a one week old
> puppy.

And like a puppy, you are all over it.

I am sure if the cops or firemen in FC were getting paid half of what a neighboring jurisdiction paid-they would be all over the BOS.

Heck-Bulova is bought and paid for already based on the last election cycle.

FirePAC Local 2068 Inc contributed $13,500 to her in 2009.

MoCo vs FC in the library division wage front

MOCO-high end salaries

HAMILTON,BETTY PARKER DIR DEPT PUBLIC LIBRARY PUBLIC LIBRARIES $190,000.00
GALE,ROSWITA W. MANAGER II PUBLIC LIBRARIES $132,921.00
LEGARRETA,CAROL C MANAGER II PUBLIC LIBRARIES $127,492.00
BAIRDADAMS,JAN MANAGER III PUBLIC LIBRARIES $115,901.00

MOCO low-end salaries

JIA,YI LIBRARY AIDE PUBLIC LIBRARIES $28,116.00
RAMET,TADELECH LIBRARY AIDE PUBLIC LIBRARIES $28,116.00
TRACENRIDER,LARISHA D LIBRARY AIDE PUBLIC LIBRARIES $28,116.00


FC-high end salaries-

CLAY,EDWIN S LIBRARY DIR COUNTY LIBRARY $165,403.47
GOODWIN,JANE G LIBRARY DEP DIRECTOR LIBRARY $132,796.77

FC-low-end salaries
AHMED,MOHAMMAD SHOIEB LIBRARY LIBRARY AIDE $15,305.89
ABDI,SHUKRI IBRAHIM LIBRARY LIBRARY AIDE $15,305.89
YRISARRY,DOLORES LIBRARY ADMIN ASST I $14,341.70


Once again, FC pays nearly half of what MOCO pays on the low-end of the range.


Three different job areas-crossing guards, school health room aides and now librarians-all dominated by women.

Can anyone spell DISCRIMINATION?

I wish I knew what to do but my neighbor and his wife work for the fire department and their daughter told us they make over 300K a year! Now that I saw their names on here I can't fricking believe they make that and then some.

Is there anyway to find out how much these life savers make with their overtime? I'm a Pentagon engineer with a masters making 84k and there are basic firefighters making 150k with overtime!

Oh and they get take home cars but we never see them go to any fires. WTF!

really unfair Wrote:
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> This is the range of salaries for Fairfax County Crossing Guards:
>
> CRAVEN,APRIL T. POLICE
> SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD
> $24,687.31
> TSIANAKAS,PERISTERA POLICE
> SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD
> $22,195.68
> WILLIAMS,JOYCE A POLICE
> SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD
> $11,097.84
> PATTEN,CATHY L POLICE
> SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD
> $11,097.84
>
> This is what Montgomery County MD pays crossing
> guards:
>
> ALTOBELLI,ELENI DENMAN CROSSING
> GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
> ANDRE,JOSEPHINE N CROSSING GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
>
> WILLEMS,DEBORAH F. CROSSING
> GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
> WOOD,ARTEMIS H CROSSING GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
>
>
> Where is the police union in Fairfax????
>
> Funny how they take care of the uniformed cops but
> let the crossing guards get screwed.
>
> Maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with the
> first names of the workers.
>
> THEY ARE ALL WOMEN.
>
> I guess they need to fend for themselves.
>
> What year is this anyways? 1960?

Something wrong with these figures. Not that it wouldn't be outrageous if we knew the truth but I don't think this comparison is apples to apples. How many hours a day does a crossing guard work? 2? At 3 hours/5 days/52 weeks even the FC guards would be $30+ per hour. As to the other posting, they all make sense and they are outrageous.

Montgomery County is paying their school crossing guards more than Fairfax does?


WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?

Clobbersaurus Wrote:
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> Montgomery County is paying their school crossing
> guards more than Fairfax does?
>
>
> WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?





LOL It looks like Montgomery County considers their crossing guards police, while Fairfax uses guards. So.....the Maryland schools have real police assigned in school crossings, while Virginia just has someone in an uniform that works only a few hours a day.

eesh Wrote:
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>
> LOL It looks like Montgomery County considers
> their crossing guards police, while Fairfax uses
> guards. So.....the Maryland schools have real
> police assigned in school crossings, while
> Virginia just has someone in an uniform that works
> only a few hours a day.

Yeah eesh, I guess you think that job is worth at least $60.00 per hour

change in last decade Wrote:
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> Fairfax Pays 24 Employees More Than $100,000 Each;
> County Tops Area Governments in High-Salaried
> Workers
>
> The Washington Post | October 3, 1996 | Tod
> Robberson
>
>
> Notice the headline from 1996?
>
> Fairfax County now pays nearly 800 employees over
> $100,000.
>
> Has the private sector had wage growth like this?

No way...we've all taken cuts and always funded our own retirement.

these lists do not include the people who REALLY do all the work and get paid $48,000 (Police and Fire) that are all at the low end of the pole.

man-up people Wrote:
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> I find it amusing that when the economy is doing
> well, no one could care less about what the civil
> servants are doing let along what they make as
> long as they're making more $$$ than them and look
> down on them. You see it's just like the old
> parable about the Grasshopper and the Ant. The
> Grasshopper lives for the moment and doesn't save
> any food at all, while the Ant is constantly
> storing it away for the future.

The amazing part is that not only are these folks (grasshoppers) paid handsomely...they also get a DEFINED BENEFIT plan which the private sector eliminated back in the late 80's. Taxpayers will be paying pensions for DECADES. These folks didn't have to save a dime toward retirement. The retirement plans have COLAS...unbelievable!! There is no way an administrative assistant or accountant in the private sector (ants) even has a chance of matching this comp package.

It would be interesting to see how many of these people are fat. Should find and post any pics out there with salaries captioned below

"It would be interesting to see how many of these people are fat. Should find and post any pics out there with salaries captioned below"



I'll bet the fattest ones are the ones making the least amount of money. The big money guys are in charge so they can leave and work out whenever they want at nice gyms. They can also afford fresh fruits and vegetables.

It's true. The more money you make, the thinner you are---they put a few token fat people at the top---but mostly not.

Its a known fact that firefighters have other jobs. They work 2 on 2 off, 2 on and 3 off. Since the vast majority of their time is spent washing firetrucks, shopping at grocery stores (we have all seen them), cooking and sleeping, they are rested for their "real" job. It's an issue in every large US city/county. The city administrators try to fight for a reasonable outcome but there's not much they can do in the face of the "legend" of firefighters. Its the biggest racket on the planet. Public employees still have defined benefit plans which the private sector eliminated in the 80s. These folks don't have to save a dime for retirement..the plans have COLAs! Their salaries are competitive, not below the private sector. An administrative assistant or degreed accountant in the private sector will never match those benefits. It's time for citizens (just like shareholders) to take back control!!

iwantafxjob Wrote:
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> An administrative assistant
> or degreed accountant in the private sector will
> never match those benefits.


WTF are you talking about?

Accounting can be a very-well paying career choice, and just having an undergraduate in accounting makes you very marketable in a job search.

Blessed are the murderous.

Wait...
So fucking what if they go to the grocery store? They need to eat too? And they're there for 24 hours at a time. Wtf are they suppose to do? Take a lunch break while your loved ones drive drunk into a tree while fisting themselves?

And why can't they sleep? I forgot to mention that while thinking of Amanda wenk self-fisting herself...

What is the goal of this posting? Who cares of firefirghters are making 150k a year? They are going to save your fat ass.

I am always shocked at the number of stupid people out there.

1. The county has no more money.

2. We are in the worst recession in the last 70 years and will probably stay here for some time.

3. Fairfax County and neighboring Montgomery, Loudoun and Howard are the wealthiest counties in the US for ONE reason-government and contracting jobs. We don't have oil under the ground or large manufacturing plants-our eceonomy is heavily dependent on these govt jobs which have seen explosive increases in salaries over the last 20 years-far above inflation.

4. Beacause of these bloated salaries-far above the national (forget global-different discussion alltogether) averages-home prices have risen accordingly. High wages..high home prices...high home prices...high wages needed. Do you understand the connection?

5. States will experience a cliff in funding next year-no more federal stimulus money...now where will they cut? We could close the rest stops or our schools,maybe? 80% of the budget goes to salaries/benes/pension-huh, maybe we should trim our work force. What impact will that have??

6. National unemployment is 10-12%, some say higher because people have given up looking for work and are no longer counted. Here-not as bad, 6-7%...why? anyone? Government jobs-good job, you guys are learning.

7. So Va has no more money, Fairfax County is tapped out, so they start laying people off-like the firemen who make $150k. What happens? Well, unemployment rate goes up more in line with national average, people have no money to spend, lose their homes and move out of this expensive area.

8. People leave, housing plummets, tax base disappears, more cuts are needed.

You guys are brainless if you don't think that this is where we are headed.

The government can't create jobs. Interest rates are at zero. Where is the stimulus coming from?

The sooner we get these overpaid public employees off the public rolls the better off we will be and the downward spiral will be less severe.

And to the poster who said that by privatizing the police/fire department would cause salaries to increase-you are a moron.

Oh boy, here comes the retarded user that thinks firemen are scumbags and pensions are leading the country to hell in a handbasket.



"And to the poster who said that by privatizing the police/fire department would cause salaries to increase-you are a moron."


Well "Econ 101", show some numbers that dispute what I said. This is coming from someone that stated yesterday that unemployment will be solved by privatizing the police force. Go figure.

Blessed are the murderous.

eesh is getting phukkin owned....I mean, they are crammin facts and figures right down his throat...fun to watch....

Hey econ,

Back up the numbers that they are overpaid. Saying they are, doesn't mean they are...Numbers,apples to apples, stuff like that, you know FACTS.

Pay less, get less, become PG County.

Snerdley Wrote:
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> eesh is getting phukkin owned....I mean, they are
> crammin facts and figures right down his
> throat...fun to watch....


LOL! Please actually provide figures to back up your statements, and not just words like "probably" or copying and pasting salaries.

$100K? For a firefighter who puts their life on the line? Millions of dollars for an actor who will sometimes ACT like they're dying? Seriously, for these people, including police officers and all other people of the sort, to be paid $90k, $100k++, does not suffice. Get over it!

eesh wrote

"LOL! Please actually provide figures to back up your statements, and not just words like "probably" or copying and pasting salaries"

ROFLMAO!! Puh-leeeze. Provide some actual figure to back up your lame ass comments, and don't just make childishly simplistic denials. Pffft....

Snerdley Wrote:
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> eesh wrote
>
> "LOL! Please actually provide figures to back up
> your statements, and not just words like
> "probably" or copying and pasting salaries"
>
> ROFLMAO!! Puh-leeeze. Provide some actual figure
> to back up your lame ass comments, and don't just
> make childishly simplistic denials. Pffft....



Still waiting for you to explain why these employees don't deserve these incomes, and why you single out firefighters. Then you can explain the statement that privatizing the police and fire department will reduce costs.

Blessed are the murderous.

Out of mere curiosity, have the salaries of the Fairfax County Public Schools employees ever been posted online?

eesh-

How about this story in the NY Times-


July 1, 2010,

The State Budget Disaster
By MICHAEL POWELL

An already storm-tossed economy is about to receive a thorough drenching, as states across the nation face a collective budget shortfall of $140 billion this summer.

The details, contained in a new report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities are sobering, not the least for what they suggest about the fragility of the national recovery. Tax receipts — property, income, you name it — have dwindled and dwindled some more, the federal stimulus gas tank is near empty, and as many as 900,000 workers could lose their jobs as a result of state budget-cutting in the coming fiscal year.

Nor is there much help on the way.

Deficit hawks are in the ascendancy in Washington, where taking a tough line against more aid to states and to the millions of long-term unemployed has become a curious sort of litmus test for many politicians. Congress has refused to extend jobless benefits — which puts money directly into the pockets of the hard-pressed — and declined to extend an enhanced federal match for Medicaid that 30 states, New York and California among them, were counting on to help balance their budgets.

And as the national Census winds down, thousands more workers will lose temporary jobs. And, in a case of dark clouds growing darker, the center projects that the 2011 budget gaps will grow yet worse again.

Ask Nicholas Johnson, director of the center’s state fiscal project, if he divines any silver lining in his report and he pauses a disconcertingly long time.

“Tax receipts over all have stopped falling, but that’s at a very low point,” he says. “If that is a sign of light, it’s still at the end of a very long and dangerous tunnel.”

Well, thanks for that.

Now, at least one new study from the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco suggests that however great the pain in the states, the local suffering will not stop the national economic recovery.

“State fiscal crises aren’t likely to go away soon and will probably get worse before they get better,” the authors state. “The solutions states employ to close projected budget gaps will have painful effects on state residents and businesses but pose a more modest risk to the national recovery.”

But that is perhaps a too optimistic take. The state and local government sector is vast, and now employs nearly 20 million people, or 15 percent of the national total. The great majority of those employees fall within the definitional boundaries of middle and working class, and their paychecks are fuel in the economy’s gas tank.

Nor are layoffs the only damage. David Rosenberg, chief economist for Gluskin Sheff + Associates and an economic bear, notes in his daily economic report that nine states so far have enacted sweeping changes in pension funds, and many more legislatures are pushing for higher monthly contributions, an older retirement age and diminished cost-of-living adjustments.

Such changes may be necessary to his view. But, he notes, these so-called reforms amount to a hidden and significant tax on middle-class workers.

“Employee contributions are going up — a de facto tax hike — and this will work directly against any upturn in consumer spending,” he said.

(This come at a time of ever-increasing income concentration at the very top of the income scale, and an ever-growing gap between the top 1 percent and everyone else, as demonstrated by another recent Center on Budget and Policy Priorities report.)

This is a point that Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody’s Analytics, underlines in a recent piece in The Philadelphia Inquirer, in which he warns against the too-easy assumption that the states can limp by.

“Without more aid, states and cities will have no choice but to raise taxes and slash jobs and services, which could cut short the still-fragile economic recovery and trigger renewed recession,” he said. “Governments would have no effective way of responding at that point.”

I rather overpay on local taxes since you are more likely to see the results with local tax dollars than State or Federal. Sure we may overpay cops but how is our crime rate, or our EMT response times, or how are parks are run..ect...

Those great benefit pakages.....mine is as result of paying 14% of my salry into the account for more than 10 years and recently it has been reduced to 8%....that is not exactly not paying a dime for the benefits.

Can someone post the link to the most recent salary list? Please.




Found it. Please disregard request:)



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The above article predicts a possible loss of 900,000 public sector jobs nationwide.

I can't believe Virginia-or Fairfax County would be part of this. Our economy is ROCK SOLID. We have none of those dark clouds over us. We are insulated from all of that stuff.

Heck, we have a printing press that makes money over at the government center-didn't you know?

We will just print money to pay these outlandish salaries since we can't run a budget deficit. The state is looking at a $1.3 billion deficit next year, the federal governement has a $13 trillion deficit, heck printing money or raising taxes is the only way we can keep this game going.

Can't raise taxes on the unemployed, so print away!!

Fairfax low-end salary range

SONG,GRACE HWAKANG SYSTEMS MGMT FOR HUMAN SVCS SOCIAL WORKER II $26,027.98
ENDERSBEE,JULIE BETH SYSTEMS MGMT FOR HUMAN SVCS SOCIAL WORKER II $29,782.58
OWINGS,NANCY C SYSTEMS MGMT FOR HUMAN SVCS SOCIAL WORKER II $37,049.90

Fairfax high-end range

PETERSON,LINDA A SYSTEMS MGMT FOR HUMAN SVCS SOCIAL WORKER II $79,732.85
PETZOLD,JANICE T SYSTEMS MGMT FOR HUMAN SVCS SOCIAL WORKER II $80,003.25

Same title, Social Worker II. I wonder why one makes three times more?

Is this related to longevity?

By JUDY LIN
The Associated Press
Wednesday, July 28, 2010; 4:26 PM

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Wednesday brought back furloughs for thousands of state workers until California passes a budget.

Schwarzenegger released a new executive order requiring state workers to take three unpaid days off per month starting next month. State workers were furloughed a total of 46 days when Schwarzenegger issued a similar order in February 2009, which translated to a pay cut of about 14 percent for workers.

It's unclear how long the latest round of furloughs could last, as Schwarzenegger and lawmakers enter the fifth week of the new fiscal year without a balanced budget.

"Without a budget in place that addresses our $19 billion budget deficit, every day of delay brings California closer to a fiscal meltdown," Schwarzenegger said in a statement. "Our cash situation leaves me no choice but to once again furlough state workers until the Legislature produces a budget I can sign."


State Controller John Chiang has warned he will start issuing IOUs in August or September if the budget stalemate drags on in the Legislature. Chiang said the cash-saving measure is necessary because the state is projected to run out of cash in October.

The new order exempts employees who work for departments that collect revenue, such as the Franchise Tax Board, and public safety agencies, including the California Highway Patrol.

It also exempts about 37,000 workers in six unions that recently reached tentative labor agreements with the administration.

The state has about 237,000 workers.

The furlough puts pressure on remaining unions that have not agreed to the governor's demands for pension reforms. Unions have also been fighting the governor's efforts to impose the federal minimum wage while the state operates without a budget.

"To once again force state employees to take unpaid furloughs is just another punitive measure by Gov. Schwarzenegger because he couldn't impose minimum wage," said Patty Velez, president of the California Association of Professional Scientists, which represents 3,000 state employees.

The state Assembly's Republican leader, Martin Garrick, said Democrats who control the Legislature were to blame because they have refused to make cuts that Republicans, including Schwarzenegger, have demanded.

"I believe they've brought it on themselves and their constituents - and mine - that have been furloughed, because they haven't made the reductions," he said in a telephone interview. "The longer we go, the deeper the cuts have to be."

Democrats have vowed to protect education and social service programs, such as CalWORKS, the state's welfare-to-work program. They have proposed delaying corporate tax breaks and a new oil tax.

not Fairfax County wrote:

"Can't raise taxes on the unemployed, so print away!!"


Can you say hyperinflation?

Fairfax County will suffer.

Me22 Wrote:
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> And why can't they sleep? I forgot to mention that
> while thinking of Amanda wenk self-fisting
> herself...

FYI...many of the positions referenced in these posts are PART-TIME positions. For example, many Library Aide positions are 20 hours. School Crossing Guards are another example.

POSTER, ANONYMOUS SENIOR MORON SPECIALIST IV $0.00

Post Fairfax County Public Schools' Employee Salaries, please!

Good luck getting the salaries and job titles of the FCPS high earners. They should be public information, but they seem to be "top secret". You might have to do an FOIA filing to get them. You can only know what the poor teachers make.

I think what you would find incredible is what their job titles are and what they do (or don't do). I wonder if the dang SB even knows.

I recall seeing FCPS teacher salaries published in a local paper (The Fairfax Journal) years ago and it caused quite a scandal. We knew a married couple, both long-time FCPS teachers, who constantly claimed dire financial straits, low salaries for long hours and acted like they were living the life of a pauper. Lo and behold, we were all shocked to read that they were high earners among FCPS staff, based upon their seniority alone.

I think we'd all be shocked at how much our public school teachers make.

What do you mean "based upon their seniority alone"?? If teachers got no seniority increases, nobody would ever go into the profession. If there were no seniority increases, it would be like saying that an experienced teacher is not worth any more than a first year teacher.

Your neighbors must have been old enough to have seniority pay that made a difference. In fact, you say that they were long-time teachers. Should people make more or less at the end of a career?

You say "Lo and behold, we were all shocked to read that they were high earners"---well, What did you expect---that they would be low earners after so many years?

Get real. I think you would not be shocked to learn how much teachers make. They start at around 45K and most never get beyond 85K---and it partly depends on what level of education they have. Do you think 85K is a lot?

Would you expect your salary to double over the course of your career (30 years or so) as a professional?

And if your neighbors had so much money, why were they acting like paupers---as you say? It sounds to me like they were pretty much middle class (as they should be) and maybe they were frugal and trying to save money (like lots of people do).

Virginia has made the wise choice of eliminating the college major of education.

This will help. We need to attract the best and brightest as teachers. Encourage brilliant minds to teach. Continue recruiting new teachers from non-traditional fields like the military, business, the sciences. One of the best teachers I know had a mid-life crisis/epiphany and left a six figure salary in the corporate world to follow her dream and now teaches very young children. She's one of the smartest people I know, period.

The teacher unions hate the idea, but we need a minimum competency requirement for all teachers. Yearly. As a college graduate, you should know the fundamentals of grammar, usage, arithmetic and basic business writing.

Sounds trite, but teachers really need to dress professionally. My kindergarten teacher wore a dress or skirt every day, yet she was still on the floor with the kids and maintained her dignity. Compare that to the first day of kindergarten when my little one announced that her teacher had a "belly tattoo" -- visible because teacher raised her hands to demonstrate something.

It is hard to tell differentiate teachers from the students. Lanyards are often my only aid. Tee shirts and jeans and shorts are standard fare. I dress nicely for parent-teacher conferences and make certain that I never look like I'm going on a picnic when coming in to volunteer.

They aint got no union in Virginia.

Grit wrote:

"Sounds trite, but teachers really need to dress professionally. My kindergarten teacher wore a dress or skirt every day, yet she was still on the floor with the kids and maintained her dignity. Compare that to the first day of kindergarten when my little one announced that her teacher had a "belly tattoo" -- visible because teacher raised her hands to demonstrate something."

I had a fourth grade teacher and I really would have preferred that she NOT wear a skirt or dress everyday (it was back in the days when all women/girls had to wear a dress or skirt to school). Her legs were hideously huge and full of veins. Please don't make having good looking legs be a new requirement for teachers---along with all the other things the public seems to want.

Also, if the teachers have a strict dress code, so should the students. They should have to wear skirts and dresses also (no tee shirts or jeans). If the "dress police" are out there, it has to be for everyone.

And yes, I do think you are focusing on the wrong thing with this.

Puh-leez. My point is that if you want to be seen as and treated like the professional you are or aspire to be, dress the part. I'm fine with students wearing a uniform, even in FCPS.

Have some respect for yourself and your profession. If you have a tattoo, cover it during your workday as a teacher.

I'm not suggesting that FCPS wear business suits/skirted suits - but there is certainly a way to dress professionally in comfortable, washable clothes.

Sloppy clothes = sloppy attitudes.

really unfair Wrote:
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> This is the range of salaries for Fairfax County
> Crossing Guards:
>
> CRAVEN,APRIL T. POLICE
> SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD
> $24,687.31
> TSIANAKAS,PERISTERA POLICE
> SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD
> $22,195.68
> WILLIAMS,JOYCE A POLICE
> SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD
> $11,097.84
> PATTEN,CATHY L POLICE
> SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD
> $11,097.84
>
> This is what Montgomery County MD pays crossing
> guards:
>
> ALTOBELLI,ELENI DENMAN CROSSING
> GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
> ANDRE,JOSEPHINE N CROSSING GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
>
> WILLEMS,DEBORAH F. CROSSING
> GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
> WOOD,ARTEMIS H CROSSING GUARD POLICE $46,567.00
>
>
> Where is the police union in Fairfax????
>
> Funny how they take care of the uniformed cops but
> let the crossing guards get screwed.
>
> Maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with the
> first names of the workers.
>
> THEY ARE ALL WOMEN.
>
> I guess they need to fend for themselves.
>
> What year is this anyways? 1960?

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GENDER. Virginia is a "Right to Work" state. This means no binding arbitration between the employees and the employer. The term Union is a misnomer in VA as they are toothless. Thank the A-hols that passed the law back in the 70's. Public safety will continue to be shortchanged. Pay has become a big issue statewide. Alot of the good public safety employees are either retiring early for hirer paying jobs or those with only a couple of years of service are leaving, taking their expensive training with them. Remember you get what you pay for, pay for good people or pay out for all the gross negligencelawsuits. Guess which one is cheaper?

How many in Fairfax do the same thing?

Monday, August 2, 2010

MONTGOMERY COUNTY'S police force includes many dedicated and excellent officers. To the naked eye, most seem to be in fine physical condition. This must be an illusion, however, since so many of them continue to retire with full disability benefits, imposing a heavy cost on the county.

Between 2004 and 2008, about three in five county police officers were granted disability status upon retirement, meaning they receive two-thirds of their salary for life, tax-free. These numbers are without equal in other police departments around the region, including Prince George's County, where large majorities of officers manage to make it to retirement in good health despite a crime rate much higher than Montgomery's.

After this racket was exposed in the media two years ago, the numbers fell off, but only by a little. In the most recent fiscal year, which ended June 30, 18 of the 44 Montgomery police employees who retired were granted disability status -- in some instances for injuries, including relatively minor ones, that took place many years earlier. Keep in mind that in the past, some of these disabled retirees have gone on to land full-time employment, sometimes with other law enforcement agencies and often in roles that are physically demanding.

Of course, this scam gouges taxpayers -- just one of a number run by police officers under the protection of a union that jealously guards the perks of its dues-paying members. In a report released almost two years ago, the county's inspector general, Thomas J. Dagley, found police conduct in claiming disabilities that a "prudent person would consider abusive."

Still, it has continued. Last year, the Montgomery County Council, in thrall as usual to public employee unions, shied away from legislation to address it. And this year, the Fraternal Order of Police refused to relinquish the benefit in contract negotiations despite the disgrace it has earned the department.

Now the county has another chance to correct this abuse. Two council members, Duchy Trachtenberg (At Large) and Phil Andrews (Gaithersburg-Rockville), both Democrats, are introducing legislation that sensibly distinguishes between serious and minor disabilities, so that an officer with an injured finger is not treated in the same way as one paralyzed from the neck down.

The bill also prohibits officers guilty of firing offenses from claiming disability retirements, as they can now. (One such officer, Sgt. Jacqueline Davey, was granted a disability pension last month despite facing trial on charges that she stole more than $10,000 by billing the county for hours she didn't work. Sgt. Davey has denied the charges.)

The legislation will not come up for a vote before the fall, but already a majority of council members have expressed support for it. We urge every member of the council to sign on as a co-sponsor.

DJ POINT OF VIEW: Somber, Somber State Outlook By Bernanke

Tue Aug 03 07:35:21 2010 EDT

(This article was originally published Monday.)

By Neal Lipschutz
A DOW JONES NEWSWIRES COLUMN

If I were one of the state legislators shuffling out of the venue in
Charleston, S.C., after having been addressed Monday by South Carolina native
and current Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, I would feel pretty low.

In addition to essentially having been given the long slog view of the
national economic recovery ("But we have a considerable way to go to achieve a
full recovery in our economy, and many Americans are still grappling with
unemployment, foreclosure and lost savings")--Bernanke told the folks running
states and cities that they have some intractable long-term problems.

And Bernanke wasn't much for providing helpful answers.

Take the ticking time bomb of pension and health benefits promised state and
local employees. Many feel they compare too well to what's offered in the
private sector. And because of the squeeze of the recession on government tax
receipts, some states have been neglecting their contributions, simply making
the future hole bigger.

One solution is for the political leadership to say sorry, we simply can't
afford these pension costs and slowly over time adjust the costs downwards.

Not so fast, said Bernanke. "This daunting problem has no easy solution," he
said in remarks prepared for delivery Monday to the annual meeting of the
Southern Legislative Conference of the Council of State Governments. "Proposals
that include modifications of benefits schedules must take into account that
accrued pension benefits of state and local workers in many jurisdictions are
accorded strong legal protection, including, in some states, constitutional
protection."

If the states can't change what's already agreed to, they better get moving
on adjusting down the retirement costs of future employees, which presumably
they have to power to do.

Just about every state can't use long-term bonds to cover deficits in
operating budgets. That's a good thing given human and political nature. Absent
that, we'd have 50 mini (or perhaps on a percentage basis, not so mini)
versions of the gaping federal government deficit.

Bernanke applauds that restraint, but laments the resulting state spending
cutbacks in weak economic times, "when services are most needed."

Freed from such restraints, the growing budget gaps from Washington to Athens
to Madrid to London tell you something's got to give. Over time, political
leaders have to find ways to spend less and lower taxpayer expectations of
government's role.

Bernanke mentions beefing up state rainy day funds when things are flush to
supplement revenues during downturns. The central banker admits this "may not
be politically popular."

Separately, Bernanke notes the municipal bond markets has remained
"reasonably receptive this year to most borrowers . . . ."

I hope they had something fun planned for Monday evening in Charleston. Those
legislators will have had more than enough daunting news for one day.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/documents/Fairfax-County-VA-Employee-Salaries---2009-95621434.html

There goes the government sector and the private contractors....


Gates to Cut Major Military Command in Virginia, Officials Say

Published August 09, 2010
| Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- Officials briefed on the decision say Defense Secretary Robert Gates plans to eliminate a major military command in Norfolk, Va., and try to cut the Pentagon's use of outside contractors by 10 percent next year.

The plan was to be announced at a Pentagon press conference on Monday. It is part of a broader effort to trim $100 billion from the military's mammoth budget in the next five years, as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan begin to wind down and Congress turns its attention more to domestic priorities.

The Associated Press has learned that Joint Forces Command will be eliminated and its role absorbed elsewhere within the Defense Department. Gates has long said the Pentagon needs to reduce waste and duplication.

In my opinion, and from personal experience: I worked for the Fairfax County Park Authority managing a county-wide program. If you want to look for nepotism, "I'll take care of you, you take care of me," look no further than the Park Authority. In my opinion, those in upper management cover each other's asses, (while pretending to give a damn about the public w/ town hall meetings). But that is no surprise, as I guess it happens in most upper management. I saw good middle-level people who had been working for the Park Authority for years (these were specialists, not necessarily making a lot of money, but dedicated people who were truly passionate about what they were doing and did it well) have their jobs threatened, benefits taken away, laid off, etc., all in the name of "the bad economy, budget cut backs." But yet those in the upper management positions were untouched, made no sacrifices. The Park Authority runs over-budget programs that run it in the red, and they cut the budget in the wrong places, basically running the entire system w/ part time employees with no benefits and making about $9 an hour (or less) after taxes.

The bureaucracy within that organization was unbelievable, and the manipulation and self-serving I observed of the upper management (in the Rec Center system, too) was disheartening. Though I loved the job I was doing, and met some great county citizens in my program, I finally quit because the corruption and management dysfunction was intolerable. I was given the responsibility to manage the program I ran, but not the tools, nor the authority to make the changes that I knew would save it money, make it profitable for the county, and better serve the citizens in the program. But when something went wrong, it was my fault.

The Fairfax County Park Authority Board is another topic to address, they have no idea what is going on, and how much money is pissed away, that could otherwise be put to good use serving the public. (For example, they don't even meter the use of water in some of the parks and have practically no idea of how much water they pay for on a seasonal basis in some of the parks, an assessment on the consumption of water in some parks hasn't been done in decades). Dargle gave the impression of being an approachable Director, but was extremely ineffective, and easily misled by his upper management staff, telling the "emperor" what he wanted to see/hear, while doing otherwise behind his back. When communications were sent to him about problems in the park programs, they were intercepted by "upper management" and never delivered to him. Money saving ideas I presented (that were supported by the citizens my program served) were halted at middle levels, and some managers took credit for work their part time non-benefit employees executed. If the county wants to clean house, start with the Park Authority.

DARGLE,JOHN WALTER PARK AUTHORITY DIR PARK AUTHORITY $150,000.03
MESSINGER,CYNTHIA E PARK AUTHORITY DEP DIR PARK AUTHORITY $136,309.47
BOWDEN,DAVID R PARK AUTHORITY PARK DIVISION DIRECTOR $126,711.31
BALDINO,PAUL LOUIS PARK AUTHORITY PARK DIVISION DIRECTOR $123,068.19
LEHMAN,JOHN R PARK AUTHORITY ENGINEER VI $120,758.98
HOLLEY,KIRK W PARK AUTHORITY ENGINEER V $115,176.88
GARRIS,DEBORAH K PARK AUTHORITY ENGINEER V $113,197.76
FINEGAN,JOHN T PARK AUTHORITY INFO TECH PROGRAM MANAGER I $110,630.83
WALSH,CYNTHIA E PARK AUTHORITY PARK DIVISION DIRECTOR $107,776.03
AJRAWAT,SEEMA PARK AUTHORITY FINANCIAL SPECIALIST IV $104,436.38
FUREY,PETER F PARK AUTHORITY PARK MANAGEMENT SPECIALIST II $103,267.84
PEARSON,RONALD W PARK AUTHORITY SUPVR FACILITIES SUPPORT $102,724.75
NUGENT,BARBARA ANN PARK AUTHORITY PARK DIVISION DIRECTOR $101,212.80
STALLMAN,SANDRA PORCH PARK AUTHORITY PLANNER V $100,610.64

I didn't realize this site supported attachment uploads! Here's the full list in an Excel spreadsheet. No wonder people can afford to live in the county, if they're being paid by the county.
Attachments:

wow!! 14,500 employees (took a long time to scroll down). However there is no need to worry. Excel 2003 was limited to 65,536 rows, however Excel 2007 (Office 2007) spreadsheets can handle 1,048,576 rows!!!! enough to put every county resident 16 on older on the payroll.

OK, some practices need to be stopped -- e.g. letting folks close to retirement work tons of overtime to pad their pensions. We may need to get newer guys onto a "higher wage w/ 401k" system to reduce the future obligations side of the balance sheet.

But to argue that Fairfax County is as controlled by the public sector unions as is California, New Jersey, etc.? That's crazy talk. Also, running on a platform of "cut fire and police spending" isn't really going to win many votes.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/24/2010 08:59AM by formerhick76.

Ceratainly Virginia isn't as grosslu underfunded as ILL or Cali, but the taxpayer is still expected to pay retirement checks for virtually all the public employees.

VRS uses 7.5% as their actuarial assumption for return, yet they have only earned 3.5% for the last 10 years annualized.

Who is going to make up the shortfall if they don't cut benefits?

Take a look in the mirror pal-its you-the taxpayer.

1. Phoenix – double-dipping top cop

Phoenix.gov

Two frequent causes of outsized government worker pay are so-called “double-dipping†and lump sum retirement payouts due to banked sick time, vacation and other benefits. In the case of Phoenix top cop Jack Harris, we have both. Harris retired from his post as police chief in 2007, receiving a one-time payment of $562,000 and beginning to draw his annual pension of $90,000. Two weeks later, the city rehired him as its “public safety manager†– critics say he’s doing exactly the same job -- at a base salary of $193,000 per year. While it’s common around the country for police officers and other government workers to retire, collect their pension and keep working, the state of Arizona passed a law specifically banning the practice earlier this decade. Conservative think tank Judicial Watch has filed a lawsuit in Maricopa County on behalf of a local resident, alleging the Harris is breaking this law.

“It appears that the senior law enforcement official in the city is gaming the system,†said Judicial Watch’s Christopher Farrell. “That is deeply corrosive to the whole sense of the rule of law.†Farrell said he doesn’t spite Harris his pension, but both the end-run of state law and the high salary – particularly at a time when Phoenix police were threatened with hundreds of layoffs – are egregious, Farrell said. “It’s a gag reflex kind of thing.â€

David Leibowitz, spokesman for Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon, said that Judicial Watch’s lawsuit is politically motivated and maintained that Harris’ compensation is in line with police chief pay in other major U.S. cities.

“The chief has served the city of Phoenix for many years. He’s incredibly well qualified and his salary and total compensation is well within line with the largest cities in America,†Leibowitz said.

Phoenix is America’s fifth-largest city. The seventh-largest, San Antonio, pays Police Chief William McManus $183,000. Philadelphia, which is nearly the same size as Phoenix, pays Police Commissioner Charles H. Ramsey $195,000, though his pay will be cut to $187,500 this year.

Leibowitz said the method for arriving at Harris’ salary shouldn’t be a consideration.

“You (should) look at the overall money you are spending … and put it in context of the results you are getting,†he said. “It’s really cost effective. … We want people in Phoenix to believe they live in the safest large city in America.â€

Meanwhile, Phoenix pays a pretty penny to many other uniformed officers. There are 180 police officers and firefighters earning more than $100,000 annually. And fully 90 percent of the agency’s budget goes to salaries, according to AZCentral.com.

3. In Illinois suburb, a $435K parks director with a $166K pension
There is little debate about the ticking time bomb of state government pension obligations, which total an estimated $2 trillion nationwide. How did that number get so high so fast? In many cases, pension loopholes are exploited, exploited and exploited again. In Highland Park, Ill., a northern Chicago suburb, park district Executive Director Ralph Volpe and the local parks commission provide an instructive example. Volpe’s salary in 2008 was $164,000, but the commission added $270,000 in bonuses. That raise was nice, but even nicer was the step up in his pension, which is based on an his last-year salary. The bonuses helped bump Volpe’s pension up by more than $50,000 per year. The $166,000 he’ll make annually now that he’s retired exceeds his top base salary for the job. Residents forced three parks commissioners to resign after the deal was exposed by the Chicago Tribune, but they still have to pay Volpe for life.

4. Miami – Amid budget crisis, average salary is $100,000
How bad are things in Miami? Earlier this year County Manager George Burgess sent a memo out urging employees to stop buying bottled water. This came as the city was facing a $118 million budget shortfall and the mayor was calling for nearly 200 staff layoffs.

Meanwhile, Burgess’ salary and benefits package totaled $425,000 last year. It includes use of a 2010 Infiniti M35, which cost taxpayers $30,000 for a three-year lease, according to the Palm Beach Post.

Miami has plenty of well-paid employees. Nearly 100 earn more than $200,000 per year, costing the city $23 million annually, according to a 2009 analysis by the Biscayne Times (pdf). And 1,751 of the city’s 3,964 workers earn six-figure paychecks. Fully 80 percent of the city’s budget is devoted to salaries, a crushing amount that leaves precious little for parks or road improvements.

more poor public employees Wrote:
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> ....While it’s common around the
> country for police officers and other government
> workers to retire, collect their pension and keep
> working, the state of Arizona passed a law
> specifically banning the practice earlier this
> decade. Conservative think tank Judicial Watch
> has filed a lawsuit in Maricopa County on behalf
> of a local resident, alleging the Harris is
> breaking this law.


It ain't common in Virginia. I retired from a State job and draw a VRS pension.
If I were to accept a VRS-covered position (State OR local), my pension STOPS. When I leave the new job, I have to retire again in order to resume drawing the VRS pension.

The salary doesn't bother me. THe benefits are the problem. Retirement and Health care for life this is unsustainable.

sumguy Wrote:
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> The salary doesn't bother me. THe benefits are the
> problem. Retirement and Health care for life this
> is unsustainable.

Health care for life, are you kidding?

When you retire from the State of Va or Fairfax County ALL they do is let you stay in the health plan, but you pay almost the entire cost.

My retiree health insurance costs $1150 a month,(and it goes up every year). VRS gives me a $120 health insurance credit (which never goes up). So, my health insurance as a Virginia retiree costs me $1030 a month right out of my pocket.

Pretty awesome, huh?

sumguy Wrote:
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> The salary doesn't bother me. THe benefits are the
> problem. Retirement and Health care for life this
> is unsustainable.


Must be mistaking us for someone fro the northeast, we retired employees pay almost 100 percent primo price for health care, since most of us worked for suck salaries and make a small percentage of that, fuck off and get you your facts straight before you post, Amazing how the pukes on here think all the county employees make big salaries and big retirements, Blow hards like Dale and a few other school employees do.Try living here on what the county gives you, but while you are complaining, try living someplace like the Northern Neck of Virginia and see what kind of suck public services you get for a slightly smaller tax base.

clooney Wrote:
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> HAND,JOHN MILTON COLTON MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES
> $177,308.77
>
>

I believe this individual is a Medical Doctor and holds such a degree. $177,308 for a Medical Doctor in Northern Virginia? I think he's way underpaid.

Just my .02

more salaries Wrote:
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> GIBSON,WANDA MARIA DIR INFORMATION
> TECHNOLOGY $174,389.49

Totally clueless individual. I'm not sure she can even spell Information Technology.

still wanna see the school salaries particularly principals and counselors

I don't know if anyone has FOIAed the FCPS salaries-they would have to cought them up.

Principals-based on years of service-make about $95k-$125k.

If you look at the individual school budgets-each school lists the principal's salary.

What school do you want?

The numbers reported from the school salaries will be more depressing than those of the rest of the government. Sure, most of the school employees only work about 10 months out of the year, but they are still way underpaid for their education levels (Bachelors + Masters Degrees).

I'm sure you'll see where some of the janitors and food personnel in the school system make more money than the instructional assistants who are involved with teaching students, working on lesson plans, etc. Heck, what kind of work is it to work in a school cafeteria nowdays? All the food comes in frozen and is placed on baking racks to be heated. You think school food was atrocious 20 or 25 years ago? That slop they're serving today should be outlawed.

5. Laughlin, Nev. – Burning down, or burning through cash?

Laughlin is a tiny Nevada border gambling town, a little Las Vegas for Northern Arizona residents. Not including tourists, the city had a population of 7,000 during the last Census. Last year its top 10 employees pulled in nearly $3 million in pay, making it a perfect example of another bane of taxpayers– overtime pay.

As KLAS-TV in Nevada noted in a recent story about excessive overtime pay, “One might expect the town of Laughlin to be a blazing inferno.†One Laughlin firefighter alone earned $92,000 in overtime pay last year.

Laughlin is in Clark County, which also includes Las Vegas. Other firefighters from around the county are also well compensated. The two top earners, who collected $474,000 and $444,000, were firefighters who won large disability payments, according to KLAS.

The nearby city of Henderson, also in Clark County, generates some heavy paystubs, too. The assistant city attorney earned $550,000, including $433,000 in a one-time payout; the city attorney earned $435,000, $350,000 of it in a one-time payout, and a fire battalion chief earned $400,000, almost all from a one-time payout. Not to be outdone, North Las Vegas’ assistant fire chief earned $661,000.

8. Norfolk, Va.-- a great $29,000 a year job
Twelve years ago, Jill McGlone, an employee of the Norfolk Community Services Board, was placed on administrative leave during a personnel investigation. She never set foot in the office again, but no one seemed to notice. McGlone continued to draw paychecks – including regular raises – for 12 years, until her story was brought to light this year. Her salary last year was $29,000. Local officials are befuddled by the incident, and five employees have lost their jobs since McGlone’s no-show job came to light. A criminal investigation has begun, according to the Virginian-Pilot.

The city manager of Norfolk earns $213,000 in base salary, by the way, according to data collected by the Pilot. Two assistant city managers split $300,000, and two assistants to the city manager earn about $90,000 in base pay while serving the city of 230,000.

Holy cow, those firefighter salaries are outrageous. I'll get back to that in a second.

When I first looked at the list, I thought "Well, if you didn't think about it too deep, those salaries might seem high". But when you realize how much attorneys, physcians, psychiatrists, and managers of large corporations make, the first page of the list seemed highly reasonable, if not a little underpaid.

Then we start getting to the fire chiefs and such. Now it's kinda iffy. I first was going to give them a break, as I figure that each chief probably managed a lot of people (e.g maybe 4 chiefs for the entire county). I also imagine that they got a couple of decades under their belt. Having said that, there are a lot of chiefs...

But now when you get down to the lieutenants and captains, then I've got to say "holy crap, that's outrageous". Let's be honest, these guys aren't fighting fires 8 hours a day. And, yes, they've put in a lot of years, but not that many.

In comparison, A new [assistant] neuroscience professor at GMU, which means not only a PhD, but a post-doc (roughly 11-14 years of college total), and is required to raise his/her own funds and bring in grants (only a minority of universities funds are from the state), makes only $75k a year ($100k if he can get work over the summer teaching or on a grant). Personally I rate a neuroscience (or any science) professor much much higher than a lieutenant firefighter. The amount of good that they do and the possible spin-off effects they have on the society and the local economy is enormous.

And one or two people above said they were engineers and making less than the fire fighters. Again, I rate those engineers much higher. In fact, I know several new-ish (3-5 years post PhD) engineers working at local defense contractors that make less than those lieutenant firefighters. And I bet those PhDs, engineers, and professors work at least 60 hours/week (no overtime -- they're salaried) and haven't had raises in several years.

Yes, there should be a premium for someone putting their life on the line, but the premium for someone who only needs a GED is far less than those 15-year lieutenants are earning.

Believe me, I understand that many of these jobs don't have a comparable position in the private sector. I also understand that they do a hard job. But, there should not be that many fire fighters making over $100k. I bet would could hire some from Detroit for a lot less.

BTW: $100k is median household, not median income. Males have a median income of ~$60k.

The same analysis needs to be applied to the police department.

all those fire cheifs get paid full overtime every year as well, so its more than stated.

Will someone please look into the Fairfax County Fire Chief pay. Ronald Mastin is making over 200K plus he is collecting retirement from Fairfax County too. They estimate his salary to be over 350K a year. We also heard Tony Griffin is doing the same thing.
How can they be working and collect retirement at the same time?

The salaries shown for police and firemen are base salaries not showing what their O/T is and benefits. There are firemen and medics consistently making over 150K a year in with salary and overtime but the county will no longer provide that info.

Unfortunately the VRS refuses to give out any information on what retirees earn.

Yes, I know, the taxpayers fund these cush retirement funds and we have to put more money into it because it is underfunded by a couple of billion or so, but we have no right to know what these people are earning.

Lots of double dipping going on. Maybe this is why it is nearly impossible to get a high paying government job with the county...they just retire from one system and the good ole boys hire them back at another agency.

I need to move out of Fairfax County-I refuse to pay for this corruption.

VRS is secretive Wrote:
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> Unfortunately the VRS refuses to give out any
> information on what retirees earn.
>
> Yes, I know, the taxpayers fund these cush
> retirement funds and we have to put more money
> into it because it is underfunded by a couple of
> billion or so, but we have no right to know what
> these people are earning.
>
> Lots of double dipping going on. Maybe this is
> why it is nearly impossible to get a high paying
> government job with the county...they just retire
> from one system and the good ole boys hire them
> back at another agency.
>
> I need to move out of Fairfax County-I refuse to
> pay for this corruption.


You've been drinking too much tea, asshole.

VRS pensions are based on a formula and it's no secret:

http://www.varetire.org/Calculators/Index.asp

And for the umpteenth time, YOU CANNOT COLLECT A VRS PENSION AND ACCEPT OTHER VRS-COVERED EMPLOYMENT!

Too much Wrote:
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> Will someone please look into the Fairfax County
> Fire Chief pay. Ronald Mastin is making over 200K
> plus he is collecting retirement from Fairfax
> County too. They estimate his salary to be over
> 350K a year. We also heard Tony Griffin is doing
> the same thing.
> How can they be working and collect retirement at
> the same time?
>
> The salaries shown for police and firemen are base
> salaries not showing what their O/T is and
> benefits. There are firemen and medics
> consistently making over 150K a year in with
> salary and overtime but the county will no longer
> provide that info.


When you work 10 days a month, its easy to rack up overtime....especially after Madden 11 comes out. They have some intense three day, double-elimination tournaments. When the new Call Of Duty gets released, you can forget about your cat getting out of that tree.

Employees can double-dip if they work part-time, work in a temporary position, work in a locality not covered under VRS, or work in a position staffed by an outside contractor.

http://www.varetire.org/Pdf/Publications/retnewswin09.pdf

So, my question is if ya'll think their pay is SOOOO high....sign up, send in your application and see if you can hack it and see how and why they earn the money they do

FUnny, several years ago when all was going well everyone said how little our public safety employees were paid...and yes, it is very low compared to the cost of living in Fairfax.....but now that these people chose jobs that historically do well in "down turns" you're all bitching ....It just shows how jealous you are...go to the fairfax county website...fill out the paperwork and join if you think it's sooo great.....

this is classic Wrote:
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> So, my question is if ya'll think their pay is
> SOOOO high....sign up, send in your application
> and see if you can hack it and see how and why
> they earn the money they do
>
> FUnny, several years ago when all was going well
> everyone said how little our public safety
> employees were paid...and yes, it is very low
> compared to the cost of living in Fairfax.....but
> now that these people chose jobs that historically
> do well in "down turns" you're all bitching ....It
> just shows how jealous you are...go to the fairfax
> county website...fill out the paperwork and join
> if you think it's sooo great.....

+10

You hear the same shit about public employees everytime the economy goes south. And for every fat cat public retiree, there's hundreds that, after putting in 30+ years, get maybe a grand a month, most or all of which goes to their healthcare premium.

They should probably cap the pension benefits like they do with defined contribution plans. Taxpayer-provided pension benefits should only cover up to so much income, regardless of what position you hold or how much you're compensated. Anything you make above that, say $50,000, it is your responsibility to save enough to maintain the lifestyle you want.

Not one of them worth it.

They may be in the pre-retirement County DROP program. That means that "extra" income is deferred until retirement and its subject to all the same rules as a retirement fund.

You've been drinking too much tea, asshole.

VRS pensions are based on a formula and it's no secret:


OK, mr smartee pants, let's say I want to know what Paul Jansen is making in his VRS retirement as he works for the parks department "in retirement" pulling in about $75k per year.

How do I apply this "formula" unless I know what his last 3 year's salary was at FCPS as athletic director?

I would have to FOIA his last 3 years' earning history at FCPS and do the calculation myself.

You are a know nothing idiot.

If the taxpayers fund the VRS-which they do-they have every right to know what these "poor" and "underpaid" public employees are collecting in lifetime benefits.

What do they have to hide-if the figures are so paltry?

don't think so Wrote:
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> OK, mr smartee pants, let's say I want to know
> what Paul Jansen is making in his VRS retirement
> as he works for the parks department "in
> retirement" pulling in about $75k per year.
>
> How do I apply this "formula" unless I know what
> his last 3 year's salary was at FCPS as athletic
> director?
>
> I would have to FOIA his last 3 years' earning
> history at FCPS and do the calculation myself.
>
> You are a know nothing idiot.
>
> If the taxpayers fund the VRS-which they do-they
> have every right to know what these "poor" and
> "underpaid" public employees are collecting in
> lifetime benefits.
>
> What do they have to hide-if the figures are so
> paltry?


Well, then go ahead and FOIA the info that you want and do the calculations yourself. Who's stopping you?

If you're too fucking lazy to do it, that's your problem.

FUCK FAIRFAX COUNTY, THAT IS ALL!

200k? Is it poverty level? Where?
In the meantime, the fireworkes do the job for free as volunteers, fundraise money on the streets and organize bingo events!!
My friend, the country is broken. Wake up!

There are latinos surely. They are those ones called volunteers, who collect money in the streets (you know the boots), organize bingos. Your know...The sort of shit to make a salary of 100+K possible for some racist craker.

Notably missing from all reports ------------

Where is salary for the Man With The Tan?

I don't think the numbers go up that high...highest saw was County Executive & think King Dale is quite a lot higher, and certainly with total comp (and don't forget that car, while kids go to school in trailers, you ass).

ManWithTheTan Wrote:
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> Notably missing from all reports ------------
>
> Where is salary for the Man With The Tan?
>
> I don't think the numbers go up that
> high...highest saw was County Executive & think
> King Dale is quite a lot higher, and certainly
> with total comp (and don't forget that car, while
> kids go to school in trailers, you ass).

I think the listing that was posted, only included salaries of the Government employees, firefighters and police officers. I don't believe the teachers were included.

say Wrote:
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> this is classic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So, my question is if ya'll think their pay is
> > SOOOO high....sign up, send in your application
> > and see if you can hack it and see how and why
> > they earn the money they do
> >
> > FUnny, several years ago when all was going
> well
> > everyone said how little our public safety
> > employees were paid...and yes, it is very low
> > compared to the cost of living in
> Fairfax.....but
> > now that these people chose jobs that
> historically
> > do well in "down turns" you're all bitching
> ....It
> > just shows how jealous you are...go to the
> fairfax
> > county website...fill out the paperwork and
> join
> > if you think it's sooo great.....
>
> +10
>
> You hear the same shit about public employees
> everytime the economy goes south. And for every
> fat cat public retiree, there's hundreds that,
> after putting in 30+ years, get maybe a grand a
> month, most or all of which goes to their
> healthcare premium.


All the above is very true, years ago all my private sector neighbors loved to brag about the golf tournaments and Carribean vacations their companies were sending them on while I was working 50 hours a week to make the bills. Now they love to bitch about my retirement which most of them will never get ,hopping from company to company and worry if they will be the next lay off or already are. Too fucking bad, public employees for the most part earn their salaries with no perks and pay a good part of their salary for the retirement fund. Those who chose to not anticipate a rainy day love to bitch about us.

Did my time Wrote:
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> say Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > this is classic Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > So, my question is if ya'll think their pay
> is
> > > SOOOO high....sign up, send in your
> application
> > > and see if you can hack it and see how and
> why
> > > they earn the money they do
> > >
> > > FUnny, several years ago when all was going
> > well
> > > everyone said how little our public safety
> > > employees were paid...and yes, it is very low
> > > compared to the cost of living in
> > Fairfax.....but
> > > now that these people chose jobs that
> > historically
> > > do well in "down turns" you're all bitching
> > ....It
> > > just shows how jealous you are...go to the
> > fairfax
> > > county website...fill out the paperwork and
> > join
> > > if you think it's sooo great.....
> >
> > +10
> >
> > You hear the same shit about public employees
> > everytime the economy goes south. And for
> every
> > fat cat public retiree, there's hundreds that,
> > after putting in 30+ years, get maybe a grand a
> > month, most or all of which goes to their
> > healthcare premium.
>
>
> All the above is very true, years ago all my
> private sector neighbors loved to brag about the
> golf tournaments and Carribean vacations their
> companies were sending them on while I was working
> 50 hours a week to make the bills. Now they love
> to bitch about my retirement which most of them
> will never get ,hopping from company to company
> and worry if they will be the next lay off or
> already are. Too fucking bad, public employees for
> the most part earn their salaries with no perks
> and pay a good part of their salary for the
> retirement fund. Those who chose to not anticipate
> a rainy day love to bitch about us.

Very well put, brother! It's the absolute truth.

It's just sour grapes.

If (a BIG if) the economy ever recovers, we'll be back to being suckers again.

How is this information gathered on these salaries? What website is it retrived from?

have you ever seen what these firemen have to put up with?! i have, i'm a nurse, and I have worked with many of them in the ER. most fairfax county residents are completely incompetent people, who think the purchase of a new coach bag trumps the need for healthcare, so they call 911 for every bellyache they experience, and demand to be transported to the hospital. THEN...when it's time for me to discharge them, they ask for a taxi voucher, instead of paying for it themselves. or, there are the entitled group of middle to upper class who think firemen and nurses are their servants, and that the ambulance is a limo and the hospital is the ritz carlton. if some of YOU private sector bastards had to deal with the people we deal with on a regular basis, you wouldn't last more than a few days on the job.
let me ask you something...when was the last time YOU worked on Christmas for 24 hours? or had to miss your daughter's birthday because your relief banged in sick and you were held for 12 more hours? when was the last time you had to do CPR on a 7-month old baby? or ran into a burning building when everyone else was running out? EXACTLY. firemen don't need college degrees to do their jobs, but they do need something else...a pair of balls, which is something the majority of men don't possess these days, especially the ones who are posting on this page, complaining about the salaries of the men and women who are serving YOU.

Here ya go, numb-nuts. That was tough, I opened my browser and typed in "Fairfax County Employee Salaries" and this was the second listing.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/fairfax-county-va-employee-salaries-2009

I am all for nurses getting a pay increase, everyone KNOWS they do all the work but get little of the accolades or pay. But I reserve my judgement on the others who work in the government who don't do squat and collect some fat checks.

Let me give you an example. Outside the Gubamint Center I saw a parked County vehicle in the Emergency parking space, it was a suburban with the emergency markings all over it, but it was for a Pastor. The Fire Department has their own pastor, and we pay for his gas, his transportation, training and everything else.

Why should I, as an agnostic, be paying for someone else's religious administrator to tool around the county in a gas-guzzling SUV so he can attend meetings and offer blessings at various events? Does this seem like a bloated system when you can afford to have this service?

You public employees kill me....wah, wah, wah.

We work hard....we have to work on Christmas.....we put out fires (rarely)....

Nobody told you what occupation to pick-go change your job. Join the 19 million people who are out of work.

Let me know how much the private sector offers you-if they offer you a job at all.

You people need to wake up and read the newspaper.

$15 trillion federal deficit. Lump on the stae and local governments while you are adding it up. Fairfax County alone has over $2 billion in debt-$2100 per resident.

85-90% of the municipal budgets are salaries-gee, I wonder what they will cut? Duh. Jobs-guys...listen for the sucking sound.

Saye bye-bye to $100k kobs who are barely competent. The party is over. Tax[payers are sick and tired of your b;oated salaries and paying for your benefits and fat retirement packages.

Go earn it like the rest of us do. My kids and grandkids are NOT going to inherit all this debt because of your selfishness and greed.

tsunami coming Wrote:
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> You public employees kill me....wah, wah, wah.
>
> We work hard....we have to work on
> Christmas.....we put out fires (rarely)....
>
> Nobody told you what occupation to pick-go change
> your job. Join the 19 million people who are out
> of work.
>
> Let me know how much the private sector offers
> you-if they offer you a job at all.
>
> You people need to wake up and read the
> newspaper.
>
> $15 trillion federal deficit. Lump on the stae
> and local governments while you are adding it up.
> Fairfax County alone has over $2 billion in
> debt-$2100 per resident.
>
> 85-90% of the municipal budgets are salaries-gee,
> I wonder what they will cut? Duh.
> Jobs-guys...listen for the sucking sound.
>
> Saye bye-bye to $100k kobs who are barely
> competent. The party is over. Tax[payers are sick
> and tired of your b;oated salaries and paying for
> your benefits and fat retirement packages.
>
> Go earn it like the rest of us do. My kids and
> grandkids are NOT going to inherit all this debt
> because of your selfishness and greed.

You seem like such a bitter person. Have you even thought for one minute that most of the Fairfax County government positions are based on the needs of the citizens? If the citizens keep asking for more services, then they'll pay for them. The county will need to hire enough individuals to handle these tasks that you so desire. I'm a taxpayer, too, but I can also look at this in a logical way - and not with the rabid cause that you do.

If you want to really get angry about something, then look at the Federal level first. President Obama hired on approximately 165,000 new Federal employees since he took over the Presidency. Most of these positions were in the Department of Homeland Security and the Veterans Affairs branches of Government. Currently, the number of Federal employees is roughly the same as when President Kennedy was in office. So, at the Federal level, we've had all of these efficiency gains with computerizing many processes - yet, we still need to keep the same number of employees as the mid-1960s? Wow.

Additionally, in my private-sector job, I have the opportunity to work with many government agencies - both at the Federal level and the local level. Let me inform you, I don't see a whole lot of people who are slacking off. Most take their work quite seriously and care about providing the citizens of our country and county with good service. Also, I've noticed that in private industry, there's a heck of a lot more back-stabbing going on in the office than at the government offices. Why do you think this is so? Private sector companies have created such a dog-eat-dog mentality among their employees that they're no longer willing to work in or on teams. Instead, they'd like to bump off their co-workers, do the work and take all the credit. Environments like that are not healthy.

In closing, please allow me to share something with you that was sent out by Pat Herrity (Springfield District Board Supervisor) in his monthly newsletter yesterday: (He's obviously realized some issues and will encourage the Fairfax County government to adopt some incentives for saving taxpayer dollars). Certainly, this is a better move than hacking a bunch of positions and adding to the horrible unemployment numbers. Don't you think?


Incentivizing County Employees to Save Taxpayer Dollars

Last month I made a proposal that could end up saving Fairfax County taxpayers millions of dollars. At the October 19th meeting the Board approved my motion to have the County Executive develop a proposal for the County similar to the one used last year by Governor Bob McDonnell to create a budget surplus at the state level.

The Governor asked state employees to hold down year end spending and create a surplus. If they reached this goal he promised a bonus of 3% to state employees who had not had a raise in three years. Not only did they reach their goal but they exceeded it, which in part led to the state having a $403 million surplus. The Governor then used some of the surplus to give state employees the promised bonus. I believe this is an idea that has merit in Fairfax County and one we should consider.

We all know governments at all levels are notorious for the annual tradition of spending all of their budgets by the end of the year - often in not the most productive ways. This is done to ensure they will get the same amount the following year. While the County Executive and the County CFO have been successful at cutting budgets and having large balances at the end of the year to carryover, my discussions with several county employees indicates the year end spending tradition still exists in parts of Fairfax County.

Here in Fairfax County our hardworking employees are our most important asset. Despite the fact that we have continually asked them to do more with less over the past three years the County has been able to maintain a high level of service because of their dedication and ingenuity and they have done it without any pay increases.

These employees are the ones who know where the "hidden" savings are in the county budget. Incentivizing our employees to identify and implement these savings should be a win-win for the employees and the taxpayers. I will keep you updated on this initiative as it moves forward.

Usually Herrity has it going on-but this proposal is nuts.

How about this incentive?

Attention all county employees:

Either we find savings of X or we will lay off 1000 employees. If you want a job next year I suggest you look around for wasteful spending.

We don't need to pay a librarian $90k or a firemen $150k. They are not brain surgeons. They are AVERAGE people with probably below average intelligence who are paid far in excess of their contribution to this county.

Calling someone bitter is hopelessly fiscally irresponsible. Particularly if you are a pro-Herrity person and republican. We cannot continue down the same path of bloated government.

In 2000 the county had debt of $1.5 billion-now it is $2.1 billion. $276 million of OUR TAX DOLLARS goes to just debt service each year.

Do we really need $1,000,000 soccer fields? Can we afford it? Add in the interest costs over 20 years and that field is costing us over $2 million.

If Herrity wants a list of wasteful spending, he should ask the taxpayers.

this is a classic example of someone getting all up in a tizzy over something THEY alone think is important and earth shattering enough to blow their little horn on...

...seriously. I'm sad to find out that I make roughly the same salary as a seasoned Fire Fighter or cop makes. let alone someone that's in charge of other seasoned fire fighters and cops

to the person that posted these: Fine, post salaries of those that are smoking cigars and rubbing shoulders with their next job's boss so they can make 5 times what they are now.
but seriously stop picking on the fire fighters and police officers. those guys/gals are risking their lives and putting in more hours than the fat cats sitting in fluffy office chairs all day.

please cease.

give me a break Wrote:
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> In 2000 the county had debt of $1.5 billion-now it
> is $2.1 billion. $276 million of OUR TAX DOLLARS
> goes to just debt service each year.
>

If this were the case, then why did Gerry Connolly claim that he had a "balanced budget" for each of his years as the Chairman of the Board of Supervisors? Sure, he balanced the budget - but, he didn't set up a "rainy day" fund, nor did he create spending cuts to apply some reduction towards the debt.

The budget and the deficit are two different things. State and local governements are required to balance their budgets each year. They can, however borrow money for "big projects" such as construction, roads, bridges, etc. These large expenses do not come out of the FOUR BILLION DOLLAR ANNUAL budget-of course not-that goes to the running of the bloated governement.

When Fairfax ended up with a tiny surplus-they took in a bit more than the budget projected, what did they do with it?

They gave raises out to county employees. And the republicans voted right along with the dems.

To the poster who compares govt workers with private-nice try. IBM, Lockheed, Bank of America can pay their employees whatever they want to. Why? Because they are accountable to the shareholders of their respective companies. Joe's dry Cleaners can pay the guy who irons shirts $100k per year if he wants. He won't, but he is free to do so. Govt workers are PAID BY THE TAXPAYERS.

Do you understand the difference?

Salaries of local government brass top Biden's, Cabinet secretaries'


Fairfax County Local Government Montgomery County salaries

By: Brian Hughes 12/27/10 6:05 AM

Examiner Staff Writer Montgomery County's top administrator banks a higher salary than the vice president of the United States. Ditto for Fairfax County's executive. And the District's police chief is paid more than the chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court and speaker of the House.
Dozens of local officials earn better wages than the nation's marquee power players under compensation packages that soar past those for comparable positions statewide, showing that smaller-scale, public-sector jobs don't always come with a pay cut.

The benchmark for managers' salaries has jumped well beyond the six-figure plateau, as some command wages around a quarter-million dollars each year. Those in charge of the behind-the-scenes operation of thousands of municipal workers often enjoy better pay than elected officials.

Montgomery County Chief Administrative Officer Timothy Firestine earns more than $266,000 annually, and Fairfax County Executive Anthony Griffin nets $240,000 -- even with pay freezes. D.C. City Administrator Neil Albert, who also fills an appointed position, makes $225,000.

Yet, that money is pocket change compared with the salaries of school superintendents and higher eduction officials lining the upper echelon of county and state payrolls. Outgoing Montgomery County Schools Superintendent Jerry Weast, for example, earned nearly $500,000 this year, including benefits.

Some analysts say the lucrative salaries are excessive considering the massive shortfalls afflicting jurisdictions throughout the Washington region.?

"It's not as if there is a shortage of talent all around the East Coast for government positions," said Pete Sepp, executive vice president of the National Taxpayers Union. "Eventually, the argument that you have to raise pay to attract good people runs into a brick wall. These salaries are simply ratcheting up expectations."

But defenders say local governments have to overcome the cost-of-living shock that keeps otherwise qualified people from applying for top posts.

"I think the salaries are fair," said Fairfax County Supervisor Jeff McKay, D-Lee. "There is no more expensive place to live than Northern Virginia. It's not only that; we're competing with the federal government. It's the only way to remain competitive."

McKay said the county is having trouble finding someone to fill outgoing Transportation Director Kathy Ichter's post -- she earned more than $156,000 this year.

Even without overtime pay, Fairfax has nearly 800 employees bringing in salaries of more than $100,000 a year.

Still, department heads in Montgomery are paid upward of $40,000 a year more than their counterparts across the Potomac. The average employee costs taxpayers roughly $100,000 annually between compensation and benefits, a recent report from the county's Office of Legislative Oversight found.

And at least 50 county managers and directors are paid more than Gov. Martin O'Malley's $150,000 base salary -- including County Executive Ike Leggett's spokesman Patrick Lacefield, who makes $165,000. Nearly 1,200 employees make more than $100,000 when overtime is included.

"It's not that surprising," Lacefield said of the discrepancy between local and state salaries. "Sometimes the people at the state level don't have as much responsibility as those at the county level."

Critics brushed aside that logic.

"In my opinion, there are many senior managers receiving wages significantly above the market value," said Gino Renne, president of the Montgomery County Municipal and County Government Employees Organization, who contends his members are bearing the burden of excessive administrative salaries. "Trust me, I work with them every day. These are not the brightest people. These are consummate bureaucrats focused merely on maintaining the status quo."

To combat shortfalls, the District and Fairfax and Montgomery counties froze salaries this fiscal year.

The affluent Maryland jurisdiction also furloughed all nonschool employees, and officials say salary reductions are on the table as a way to combat seemingly annual budget shortfalls.

bhughes@washingtonexaminer.com

The power of unions: Average stagehand at Lincoln Center in NYC makes $290K a year

By: Mark Hemingway 12/27/10 11:16 AM

Columnist James Ahearn of New Jersey's Bergen Record has a great column today on, of all things, the stagehands at New York city's top performing arts venues such as Lincoln Center and Carnegie Hall. These are not highly skilled or technical jobs but take a gander at how much they are paid:

At Avery Fisher Hall and Alice Tully Hall in Lincoln Center, the average stagehand salary and benefits package is $290,000 a year.

To repeat, that is the average compensation of all the workers who move musicians' chairs into place and hang lights, not the pay of the top five.

Across the plaza at the Metropolitan Opera, a spokesman said stagehands rarely broke into the top-five category. But a couple of years ago, one did. The props master, James Blumenfeld, got $334,000 at that time, including some vacation back pay.

Ahern also notes that the top paid stagehand at Carnegie Hall makes $422,599 a year in salary, plus $107,445 in benefits and deferred compensation. So why such exhorbitant pay? You probably already guessed that a union is involved:

How to account for all this munificence? The power of a union, Local 1 of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees. "Power," as in the capacity and willingness to close most Broadway theaters for 19 days two years ago when agreement on a new contract could not be reached.

Wakin reported that this power was palpable in the nervousness of theater administrators and performers who were asked to comment on the salary figures.

Kelly Hall-Tompkins, for one, said, "The last thing I want to do is upset the people at Carnegie Hall. I'd like to have a lifelong relationship with them." She is a violinist who recently presented a recital in Weill Hall, one of the smaller performance spaces in the building.

She said she begrudged the stagehands nothing: "Musicians should be so lucky to have a strong union like that." Uh-huh.

Be sure and read Ahearn's whole column. And next time someone tells you unions are just about fair wages for an honest day's labor, remember that's not always the case. All too often they're about power and greed.

Don't the stagehands at the Lincoln Center, Carnegie Hall, etc. get paid for with private funds? Not public money? Why are you commenting on this on a forum for public employees' salaries? If you don't like how much people get paid at the Lincoln Center or Carnegie Hall or Verizon or Apple or whatever, just don't buy their product. Don't go to performances at those venues. Private companies can pay their employees whatever they want. Obviously those places want to pay them the money, regardless of unions. There has to be a reason.

ignorance rules Wrote:
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> When Fairfax ended up with a tiny surplus-they
> took in a bit more than the budget projected, what
> did they do with it?
>
> They gave raises out to county employees. And the
> republicans voted right along with the dems.


Which asshole did you pull that out of?

Ain't been no raises in Fairfax County in years. Or are you talking about 2007 or before?

Fairfax County Fire and Rescue implimented a career developement program in early 1990's, demanding certain National Fire Academy Classes, National Fire Protection Associations certifcations, EMS levels of certifications and specific college classes and or degrees from all employees. The only other department requiring College was Arlington Va. Fire Dept. Fairfax Fire and EMS Personnel had to have this in order to even take a promotioanl test. You had to pre-qualify by having this education before being allowed to take a test for Lieutenant, Captain, Battalion Fire Chief and above. NO other jurisdiction in Northern Virginia was doing that. Not even DC fire and ems or the airports required the training Farifax did back then. Many still do not, and those that do, have lower training level standards or difficulty levels of those required by Fairfax County. Fairfax County was the first department in NOVa to have a Hazardous Materials team and while I was on it we responded to all of DC metro area, Northern Virginia and into the Shanadoah Valley, it was also the only department to have a technical rescue team / cave in team in the DC metro area in the 80s and 90s and also regularly responded into Maryland and most of Virginia as well as to Fla, when Huricane Andrew hit also to Turkey and Russia and of course more recently to Japan when the terrible earth quakes hit. Because Fairfax County Fire and Rescue mandated this training and The Professional Firefighters Union Local 2068 had the foresite to push for higher specialized training. You get outside of Fairax County into counties south and west of it and you drop in service level by 10,20 or 30 years worth of training and experience. I know, I am now Chief of a dept. in the Shenadoah Valley and there is a major difference and a long way to go to catch up to NOVA Area, esspecially Fairfax County Fire and EMS. So before you critize Fairfax County Fire and Rescue, be thankful you live there, many fire and EMS personal who work for Fairfax County live outside of the county, I grew up in Fairfax, went to school in Fairfax and spent 20 plus years working for the county, and had to move out in '82. I moved to Warren County, where I could afford to live, working as a firefighter EMT for Fairfax County Fire and Rescue making $17,900 a year. Living in Warren County was like being in the 1950s again (as far as emergency services are concerned) it isn't much better today. Educate yourself first!! Oh! And next time you have a fire or heart attack don't call 911 take care of it yourself...

The volunteer coordinators two people who run cert and liasion each make more than a firefighter. outragus.

Wow ..... too many chiefs - not enough indians ... !!

Technicians and field personnel make sense

But fat chiefs .. ??

Does anyone have the figures for year ending 6/30/2011?

Student gets no-contact order against principal

Teen alleged school official threatened to cut rosary from around his neck with pocketknife

2011-09-20

BENTON CITY, Wash. — A student in Eastern Washington got a restraining order against his school's principal, alleging the man threatened to use a pocketknife to cut off the rosary the youth wears around his neck.

a student at Kiona-Benton City High School, got the restraining order Friday, the Tri-City Herald reported.

The principal, Wayne Barrett, was ordered to stay at least 100 feet way from Corral, but on Monday a Benton County judge modified that to 25 feet on school grounds or at school events. Barrett's attorney argued in court that the longer distance would effectively "render him unemployed," and Superintendent Rom Castilleja said it would be impossible for Barrett to obey the original order and do his job, the Herald reported.

Corral alleged that Barrett unfolded a pocketknife at school and threatened to cut off the rosary that Corral was raising, the Herald reported. Rosaries are prohibited because they are associated with gangs, the newspaper said.

Corral said he felt harassed since the incident, according to his petition to the court.

So, what will this cost the almighty taxpayers?

The Board is wrong as to law VA does not permit them to kite checks unless wholely collectable. They are relying on excuses "but other counties did it".

KPMG LLP signed 2010 as "unqualified opinion". But KPMG would sign toilet paper if you paid them to.

excuse me. VA law is wholely and multiply clear that counties cannot float bonds that are not surely covered by tax (without idiotic reports, in cash i mean).

I like the angle though "17x what other people get. Why is because in past "depressions" those weren't so able to point to riches being mis-directed. The more rich they are the harder it is to justify a $6.75 / hr. wage for what sometimes is skilled and hard labor.

I hope you know her and you are not judging by the picture alone.

What are the salaries for 2011?

Exon Mobile is leaving.

Marriott is next.

Watch our state turn to shit.

I guess on a good note our roads will be less fucked.

All the money in DC needs somewhere nice to live and I'm sure it'll never be Maryland. So we're oddly safe from the worst that can happen... but yeah it's getting worse day by day.

Do like we did in Scranton, Pa. Minimum wage for every one of the lazy motherfuckers.

Are they worth it,
If you had some drive and motovation you also could earn this kind of money. Don't cry about because you are lazy and expect a handout.

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> Are they worth it,
> If you had some drive and motovation you also
> could earn this kind of money. Don't cry about
> because you are lazy and expect a handout.


Good luck getting one of these fat six figure salaries....unless you are married/related to a current employee...don't bother to apply.

nepotism Wrote:
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> Cry Baby Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Are they worth it,
> > If you had some drive and motovation you also
> > could earn this kind of money. Don't cry about
> > because you are lazy and expect a handout.
>
>
> Good luck getting one of these fat six figure
> salaries....unless you are married/related to a
> current employee...don't bother to apply.


You got that right. If you ain't in the "family", you'll never get anywhere with Fairfax County jobs.

I work for the County and the first thing I tell the new guys is to watch what they say because all the motherfuckers in management and most of the lesser employees are related. Unless you know for a fact that they aren't "family", keep your mouth shut.

It's not what you know, it's who you know. This issue needs a fresh thread.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/32530072/Fairfax-County-VA-Employee-Salaries-2009

Probably not many because they know just how much of their taxes would be wasted. I saw a 4 story building built on county property in 1996...wasn't used for over 7 years. They built the building so they wouldn't have to give the money back to the general fund. Waste....this is what your taxes go to. That's why I moved out of the county

can you provide the salaries for ffx county social workers within DFS? im curious to see the difference in salary from within the agency.

THANKS SO MUCH!!!!

Where do I find The salaries for fairfax teachers as well as fairfax government? The only site I can find is the fairfax teacher salary scale.its suppose to be public info. But it's impossible to find.

is this legal?

How many assistant chiefs in Fairfax County Fire and Rescue make over $150,000 a year. Three. One makes over $160,000 a year plus collects the same amount in his county retirement. He is making over $300,000 a year and the Fire Chief is making well over $400,000 a year. What a fricking scam!

Two of the assistant chiefs make paramedic incentive pay for another $7000 plus but dont ride an ambulance. We just dont get it.

Does anyone know anyone that look into this?

By the way all 8 or 9 deputy chiefs make about $150,000 and they dont live in the county so they can drive their county vehicles to Loudoun, Winchester, Haymarket and parts of Maryland everyday with their EZ pass. Trying to find out if there is a citizen group willing to look into this for us.

Fairfax County, VA Employee Salaries - 2009
www.scribd.com/doc/.../Fairfax-County-VA-Employee-Salaries-2009
Fairfax County, VA Employee Salaries - 2009

change in last decade Wrote:
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> Fairfax Pays 24 Employees More Than $100,000 Each;
> County Tops Area Governments in High-Salaried
> Workers
>
> The Washington Post | October 3, 1996 | Tod
> Robberson
>
>
> Notice the headline from 1996?
>
> Fairfax County now pays nearly 800 employees over
> $100,000.
>
> Has the private sector had wage growth like this?

No, and those salaries are outrageous. Public servant? My ass!

Too Much Wrote:
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> How many assistant chiefs in Fairfax County Fire
> and Rescue make over $150,000 a year. Three. One
> makes over $160,000 a year plus collects the same
> amount in his county retirement. He is making over
> $300,000 a year and the Fire Chief is making well
> over $400,000 a year. What a fricking scam!
>
> Two of the assistant chiefs make paramedic
> incentive pay for another $7000 plus but dont ride
> an ambulance. We just dont get it.
>
> Does anyone know anyone that look into this?
>
> By the way all 8 or 9 deputy chiefs make about
> $150,000 and they dont live in the county so they
> can drive their county vehicles to Loudoun,
> Winchester, Haymarket and parts of Maryland
> everyday with their EZ pass. Trying to find out
> if there is a citizen group willing to look into
> this for us.

Why don't you get the Post's Tom Jackman onto it? He seems to like these sorts of things...

I requested one today hope to get a respone for free

I think that every yaywho that asks for someone salary should have to divulge their own salary.

How 'bout them apples!!!!!

Enough about the salaries - I think I am in love with my kid's special education administrator!

Anyone else know Bridget Gorey?

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> Enough about the salaries - I think I am in love
> with my kid's special education administrator!
>
> Anyone else know Bridget Gorey?


Gorey, Bridget M
Educational Specialist, Pyramid Procedural Support
Fairfax Ridge
$90,076

I thi nk she is hot. And now to find out she makes 90K? Hmmmmm...
Do you know if she is single? What else can you find out?

She is a bitch. Know it all. Nice tits, though.

checking out police salaries for 2010

trying to verify salaries of officer ziants and alexia calamos

still trying to verify salaries

Did anyone asked for a 2016 one?

Nope they are not

What's These salaries Look Like 10 years Later?