Slipped and fell on ice going down some outdoor stairs in my condo community. This was common area. They shoveled but didn't treat the walkways or very least the stairs. My leg bent hard. Couldn't work today or tomorrow, icing now. Screwed my ankle as well. Does the association have any responsibility/liability here? I'm not a sue crazy person but if I have ligament damage I'd have no problem holding them to it, especially when the walkways in general are so bad. I wasn't intoxicated and I"m in good shape/normal weight.

You can sue for anything. But doubtful you'll prevail.

It is an act of nature and shared responsibility. A reasonable person would assume ice is present and must take the necessary precautions.

Is your dumbass blind too? Did you not notice that is been FUCKING SNOWING and things are slippery out?

Your poor neighbors will end up paying the bill if you do decide to sue. The lawyers will get the majority of the money anyways. Hopefully they find out who caused the special assessment and key your car and make your life hell.

Oh i did but the railing were not even reachable/accessible to come down. honestly would have been wiser to walk on the mountain of ice. they only cleared a little patch to walk down instead of shoveling like next to the railing. I even changed my footing because it was icy. Just pure ice and zero light.

Waste of time, sorry you are hurt

Chill out dude. Didn't say i was suing. Hoping it's just bruised badly. Guy in front of me almost bit it too.

I only sent an email to the association so they are aware that I fell. Last year I salted the entire courtyard to prevent the ice. Might as well shovel nothing if it's going to simply create ice.

Did you have permission to tread on the ice?

You could be subject to arrest, and a term of 6 months incarceration plus possible fines if not.

Are you stupid or did you fall on your head? NIGGER

The worst part of this entire episode is that you are too poor to afford to get your own place.

Make more money and do that...then you can be in charge of your own walkways and driveway.

300 auto accidents 1 day in baltimore maryland

imagine how many the slip-and-fall lawsuits democrats filed against the city

You absolutely can sue the condo association for not maintaining a safe environment, even when it’s snowy/icy. And if you can properly document the accident you may actually win the case. But your neighbors are going to hate you when the condo insurance rates double. If you don’t have health insurance, you could sue just for the cost of medical,

I think I'm good. Wouldn't be surprised if I did tear something but you'd have to document and take pics and that time has long past. I like my community so not going that route. Was curious though who's responsibility it was. The community should absolutely address the numerous stairs we have throughout the community. I can only imagine a less able-bodied person trying to navigate the ice.

in the 80's if you did that it would be grounds for kicking you out of the neighborhood - not for letting you sue it

Couldn’t you see the ice before walking on it

No it's very dark in this area and it was black ice. couldn't reach the railing but now at night i've just been walking in the snow in areas where I can't assess the ground. There was an Asian guy practically ice skating on the other side of the courtyard and when I fell he just glanced over and kept on going. Oh well, shit happens.

If the landlord gave to trump, so em.

I would sue them for negligence and unsafe precautions for residents. Get a good lawyer and you will win this case. It's cut and dry.

Black ice? Did it take your wallet when you were down? Hard to see at night when they close their eyes.

Trump would be sueing the shit out of that place with at least 20 lawyers.

In all seriousness, it is the condos responsibility to keep the side walks clear of snow/ice. It's why you see 8 tons of salt used when 1 would be more than enough. This applies to shopping centers, office buildings, and HOAs too. Also, technically it applies to single family homes too if there is a sidewalk along the road.

realistic Wrote:
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> In all seriousness, it is the condos
> responsibility to keep the side walks clear of
> snow/ice. It's why you see 8 tons of salt used
> when 1 would be more than enough. This applies to
> shopping centers, office buildings, and HOAs too.
> Also, technically it applies to single family
> homes too if there is a sidewalk along the road.

Sorry, make-believe Perry Mason, it is NOT "the condos (sic) responsibility to keep the side walks clear of snow/ice."

It is only their responsibility to take REASONABLE efforts to keep the side walks reasonably clear of snow/ice. That is all. There might still be lots of snow/ice there at certain times, and they would not be liable so long as they took reasonable efforts.

The law does not demand perfection.

How much snow and ice were there? What efforts did they take to keep the side walks reasonably clear of snow/ice? Were those efforts reasonable under the circumstances?

Those are all questions for a court. And not the Kangaroo one here at FFXU.

Real Lawyer Wrote:
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> realistic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > In all seriousness, it is the condos
> > responsibility to keep the side walks clear of
> > snow/ice. It's why you see 8 tons of salt used
> > when 1 would be more than enough. This applies
> to
> > shopping centers, office buildings, and HOAs
> too.
> > Also, technically it applies to single family
> > homes too if there is a sidewalk along the
> road.
>
> Sorry, make-believe Perry Mason, it is NOT "the
> condos (sic) responsibility to keep the side walks
> clear of snow/ice."
>
> It is only their responsibility to take REASONABLE
> efforts to keep the side walks reasonably clear of
> snow/ice. That is all. There might still be lots
> of snow/ice there at certain times, and they would
> not be liable so long as they took reasonable
> efforts.
>
> The law does not demand perfection.
>
> How much snow and ice were there? What efforts
> did they take to keep the side walks reasonably
> clear of snow/ice? Were those efforts reasonable
> under the circumstances?
>
> Those are all questions for a court. And not the
> Kangaroo one here at FFXU.

Sorry man, but if my lawyer was this good at basic English I'd be asking the court for a continuance while I found a new one

it's a joke, right? Wrote:
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> Real Lawyer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > realistic Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > In all seriousness, it is the condos
> > > responsibility to keep the side walks clear
> of
> > > snow/ice. It's why you see 8 tons of salt
> used
> > > when 1 would be more than enough. This
> applies
> > to
> > > shopping centers, office buildings, and HOAs
> > too.
> > > Also, technically it applies to single family
> > > homes too if there is a sidewalk along the
> > road.
> >
> > Sorry, make-believe Perry Mason, it is NOT "the
> > condos (sic) responsibility to keep the side
> walks
> > clear of snow/ice."
> >
> > It is only their responsibility to take
> REASONABLE
> > efforts to keep the side walks reasonably clear
> of
> > snow/ice. That is all. There might still be
> lots
> > of snow/ice there at certain times, and they
> would
> > not be liable so long as they took reasonable
> > efforts.
> >
> > The law does not demand perfection.
> >
> > How much snow and ice were there? What efforts
> > did they take to keep the side walks reasonably
> > clear of snow/ice? Were those efforts
> reasonable
> > under the circumstances?
> >
> > Those are all questions for a court. And not
> the
> > Kangaroo one here at FFXU.
>
> Sorry man, but if my lawyer was this good at basic
> English I'd be asking the court for a continuance
> while I found a new one

Examples?

All I can find is "side walks" and I just did that to be consistent with what the OP did.

Wow, nowhere in my brief statement did I make responsibility sound like perfection. I speak of expiernce, from both sides. Living in a condo and trying to get them to deice the steps as there was no other option, and as a contractor responsible for suck work and having to defend myself in court because some asshat stepped in hole and broke an ankle when the sidewalk was three feet away and clear. What is it with you liberals that you keep putting words in other people's mouths in a meager attempt to make yourself sound smart?

realistic Wrote:
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> Wow, nowhere in my brief statement did I make
> responsibility sound like perfection. I speak of
> expiernce, from both sides. Living in a condo and
> trying to get them to deice the steps as there was
> no other option, and as a contractor responsible
> for suck work and having to defend myself in court
> because some asshat stepped in hole and broke an
> ankle when the sidewalk was three feet away and
> clear. What is it with you liberals that you keep
> putting words in other people's mouths in a meager
> attempt to make yourself sound smart?

You wrote:

"it is the condos (sic) responsibility to keep the side walks clear of snow/ice."

It isn't. It just isn't. Their ONLY responsibility is to use REASONABLE efforts under the circumstances - even if those efforts do not, in fact, "keep the side walks clear of snow/ice."

Realistic's Own Words Wrote:
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> realistic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wow, nowhere in my brief statement did I make
> > responsibility sound like perfection. I speak
> of
> > expiernce, from both sides. Living in a condo
> and
> > trying to get them to deice the steps as there
> was
> > no other option, and as a contractor
> responsible
> > for suck work and having to defend myself in
> court
> > because some asshat stepped in hole and broke
> an
> > ankle when the sidewalk was three feet away and
> > clear. What is it with you liberals that you
> keep
> > putting words in other people's mouths in a
> meager
> > attempt to make yourself sound smart?
>
> You wrote:
>
> "it is the condos (sic) responsibility to keep the
> side walks clear of snow/ice."
>
> It isn't. It just isn't. Their ONLY
> responsibility is to use REASONABLE efforts under
> the circumstances - even if those efforts do not,
> in fact, "keep the side walks clear of snow/ice."

You are one of these liberal dumbfucks that thinks secured means locked even though it's never implied that way anywhere in the code

realistic Wrote:
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> Realistic's Own Words Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > realistic Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Wow, nowhere in my brief statement did I make
> > > responsibility sound like perfection. I speak
> > of
> > > expiernce, from both sides. Living in a condo
> > and
> > > trying to get them to deice the steps as
> there
> > was
> > > no other option, and as a contractor
> > responsible
> > > for suck work and having to defend myself in
> > court
> > > because some asshat stepped in hole and broke
> > an
> > > ankle when the sidewalk was three feet away
> and
> > > clear. What is it with you liberals that you
> > keep
> > > putting words in other people's mouths in a
> > meager
> > > attempt to make yourself sound smart?
> >
> > You wrote:
> >
> > "it is the condos (sic) responsibility to keep
> the
> > side walks clear of snow/ice."
> >
> > It isn't. It just isn't. Their ONLY
> > responsibility is to use REASONABLE efforts
> under
> > the circumstances - even if those efforts do
> not,
> > in fact, "keep the side walks clear of
> snow/ice."
>
> You are one of these liberal dumbfucks that thinks
> secured means locked even though it's never
> implied that way anywhere in the code

Not a liberal. That's LOL.

Trying to change the topic won't help you.

You wrote:

"it is the condos (sic) responsibility to keep the side walks clear of snow/ice."

It isn't. It just isn't.

Why don't you just do the right thing, admit that you over-generalized in a major way, and move on? What is so difficult about that? Your ego?

Changing the Topic Doesn't Work Wrote:
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> realistic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Realistic's Own Words Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > realistic Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Wow, nowhere in my brief statement did I
> make
> > > > responsibility sound like perfection. I
> speak
> > > of
> > > > expiernce, from both sides. Living in a
> condo
> > > and
> > > > trying to get them to deice the steps as
> > there
> > > was
> > > > no other option, and as a contractor
> > > responsible
> > > > for suck work and having to defend myself
> in
> > > court
> > > > because some asshat stepped in hole and
> broke
> > > an
> > > > ankle when the sidewalk was three feet away
> > and
> > > > clear. What is it with you liberals that
> you
> > > keep
> > > > putting words in other people's mouths in a
> > > meager
> > > > attempt to make yourself sound smart?
> > >
> > > You wrote:
> > >
> > > "it is the condos (sic) responsibility to
> keep
> > the
> > > side walks clear of snow/ice."
> > >
> > > It isn't. It just isn't. Their ONLY
> > > responsibility is to use REASONABLE efforts
> > under
> > > the circumstances - even if those efforts do
> > not,
> > > in fact, "keep the side walks clear of
> > snow/ice."
> >
> > You are one of these liberal dumbfucks that
> thinks
> > secured means locked even though it's never
> > implied that way anywhere in the code
>
> Not a liberal. That's LOL.
>
> Trying to change the topic won't help you.
>
> You wrote:
>
> "it is the condos (sic) responsibility to keep the
> side walks clear of snow/ice."
>
> It isn't. It just isn't.
>
> Why don't you just do the right thing, admit that
> you over-generalized in a major way, and move on?
> What is so difficult about that? Your ego?

Find me a snow removal contract or condo by laws that do NOT use the term "clear", and where that term means perfection.

Christ you are dense

Actually there is no requirement in Fairfax County to clear sidewalks. If you do decide to clear them, you must make a reasonable attempt to properly do so.

If you decide not to attempt, then it is an act of nature. Which is why most HOA/COA's don't even attempt to do so.

Here is what county posts concerning sidewalks:

"It takes a whole community to shovel snow. While not legally obligated, we need your help to clear snow in front of residential or business properties so that all pedestrians (especially school children, those with disabilities and the elderly), may walk safely"