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Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Fairfax Has Gone Crazy! ()
Date: December 03, 2018 04:04PM

Read the article, not surprising, given the way Fairfax is going these days.

https://ggwash.org/view/69570/tolls-could-be-coming-to-fairfax-county-parkway-virginia-you-weigh-in?fbclid=IwAR3DkjagYnwWVGSVrd0PTEQjFaQK3cd542xHpFsKfXscGXyZJj791BntqTc

Pretty scary the county missed the real burden traffic in planning.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Big house property owners ()
Date: December 03, 2018 04:16PM

Fairfax Has Gone Crazy! Wrote:
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> Read the article, not surprising, given the way
> Fairfax is going these days.
>
> https://ggwash.org/view/69570/tolls-could-be-comin
> g-to-fairfax-county-parkway-virginia-you-weigh-in?
> fbclid=IwAR3DkjagYnwWVGSVrd0PTEQjFaQK3cd542xHpFsKf
> XscGXyZJj791BntqTc
>
> Pretty scary the county missed the real burden
> traffic in planning.

Arguably these tolls properly charge those who drive on our roads but don't necessarily live in the county.

And folks who own the new $1-million dollar+ homes probably prefer tools to their property taxes going up!

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Rational Thinker ()
Date: December 03, 2018 06:01PM

Transurban will professionally administer the tolls and collect the fees.

We need to consider the hard truth of tolls on all of our major roadways.

RTs 28,50,7,29,236,123,620,193 would bring in the funds to cover today's complex budget challenges.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Fairfax Has Gone Crazy! ()
Date: December 03, 2018 06:15PM

Rational Thinker Wrote:
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> Transurban will professionally administer the
> tolls and collect the fees.
>
> We need to consider the hard truth of tolls on all
> of our major roadways.
>
> RTs 28,50,7,29,236,123,620,193 would bring in the
> funds to cover today's complex budget challenges.



So would proper spending on the part of the County.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Foosnicker ()
Date: December 03, 2018 08:59PM

Tolls be raciss, where's my free Bulova EZ Pass at?

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Obviously ()
Date: December 03, 2018 09:17PM

Who the heck is coming up with these ideas????

Democrats, and you voted for the fools.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Corrupt Fairfax County Board ()
Date: December 03, 2018 09:17PM

Big house property owners Wrote:
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> Fairfax Has Gone Crazy! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Read the article, not surprising, given the way
> > Fairfax is going these days.
> >
> >
> https://ggwash.org/view/69570/tolls-could-be-comin
>
> >
> g-to-fairfax-county-parkway-virginia-you-weigh-in?
>
> >
> fbclid=IwAR3DkjagYnwWVGSVrd0PTEQjFaQK3cd542xHpFsKf
>
> > XscGXyZJj791BntqTc
> >
> > Pretty scary the county missed the real burden
> > traffic in planning.
>
> Arguably these tolls properly charge those who
> drive on our roads but don't necessarily live in
> the county.
>
> And folks who own the new $1-million dollar+ homes
> probably prefer tools to their property taxes
> going up!

The property is going up no matter what. All the Fairfax county board and supervisors care about is getting more money so they can double the salaries. It's all about greed.

Plus, kickbacks from developers who will build and manage the toll booths. You can be guaranteed that a "friends company" will be selected to run the toll the booths. Aka a cash cow for friends of the planning commission and board.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Obviously not to you ()
Date: December 04, 2018 11:51AM

Obviously Wrote:
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> Who the heck is coming up with these ideas????
>
> Democrats, and you
> voted for the fools

Starting with the Beltway HOT lanes every toll road in Northern Virginia has happened with the consent of at least one Republican controlled house of the Virginia General Assembly.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Dumb as a stick ()
Date: December 04, 2018 12:04PM

Fairfax Has Gone Crazy! Wrote:
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> So would proper spending on the part of the County.

Something that you TEA Party goober dumbfucks know absolutely nothing about.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: ...in the 22039 ()
Date: December 04, 2018 04:41PM

Here's what I think is going on...

Step 1. Proposal of meal taxes a couple years ago. Failed.

Step 2. BOS complain about the budget vs. reduction of spending. Yet we still see an increase of real estate tax, btw, went up $800 on my house over the past 4 years.

Step 3. Propose "Toll Roads" of Fairfax County Parkway, as if there isn't a cost to do that.

Step 4. Listen to people bitch and complain, then propose Meal Tax again.

Step 5. Meal tax re-appears on ballot.



That's what I believe this is about. Conditioning for more taxes.

Why not get Richmond to "give more back" from our tax dollars? Or, spend more wisely?

Just an opinion.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: county worker77 ()
Date: December 04, 2018 04:50PM

The tolls are a great idea. It makes the people that use the road the most pay the most, makes perfect sense. If you don't want to pay the toll then don't fucking drive on that road.
We need to find more ways to stop all these fuckers that refuse to carpool or use public transportation. The real solution to our traffic problems is to get all these cars off our roads not to build more roads. Make these motorists pay for the problems that they have created.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Real Worker ()
Date: December 04, 2018 05:09PM

county worker77 Wrote:
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> The tolls are a great idea. It makes the people
> that use the road the most pay the most, makes
> perfect sense. If you don't want to pay the toll
> then don't fucking drive on that road.
> We need to find more ways to stop all these
> fuckers that refuse to carpool or use public
> transportation. The real solution to our traffic
> problems is to get all these cars off our roads
> not to build more roads. Make these motorists pay
> for the problems that they have created.

And how many niglets have you shit out for us to feed and educate? Let the nigger breeders pay for the problems they’ve created.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: kfewkewlefwlefwle ()
Date: December 04, 2018 05:32PM

Obviously Wrote:
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> Who the heck is coming up with these ideas????
>
> Democrats, and you
> voted for the fools.


Rep elect Wexton from VA10 was a big proponent of this when she was on the Nova transportation committee.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: ...in the 22039 ()
Date: December 04, 2018 05:37PM

county worker77 Wrote:
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> The tolls are a great idea. It makes the people
> that use the road the most pay the most, makes
> perfect sense. If you don't want to pay the toll
> then don't fucking drive on that road.
> We need to find more ways to stop all these
> fuckers that refuse to carpool or use public
> transportation. The real solution to our traffic
> problems is to get all these cars off our roads
> not to build more roads. Make these motorists pay
> for the problems that they have created.

That's a flawed argument. Carpooling does not work in suburbia.

When I worked in Herndon and committed from Fairfax Station, nobody else was on the road much at 6:00 AM. Same with when I came home at 3:30 in the afternoon. How was I to carpool? Wait and potentially be late?

Then, what if I had to work late? How does that work in a car pool? It's not like busses run to my area of the county.

I see two main jams on the Parkway. One in the AM going North, which is between Burke Centre Parkway and Popes Head. Then further North, after West Ox. This is from 7:30 AM - 9 AM. It's also southbound from Sydensticker to Backlick, with the real problem being the dump-off at Backlick and not enough infrastructure to serve the mixing bowl.

In the afternoon, it's from Fox Mill area down past Franklin Farms, and again from Rt. 29 to Popes Head as one goes South from 4 PM - 6 PM.
Same issues further down the parkway for those going north in the eve, from Hooes Rd area to Lee Chapel. Then it frees up.

Aside from the Backlick Road cluster of issues, it's all traffic light issues.

I think the Popes Head interchange improvements will make a BIG difference, and also take some traffic to Fairfax City from the Parkway by feeding Shirley Gate.

I also think the Lee Chapel interchange will NEVER get better unless the South Run Rec Park area (between Lee Chapel and the power lines) gives up some land. Told that will never happen. Cemetery on one corner, houses close to the others. Good luck.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: perth court ()
Date: December 04, 2018 08:16PM

county worker77 Wrote:
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> The tolls are a great idea. It makes the people
> that use the road the most pay the most, makes
> perfect sense. If you don't want to pay the toll
> then don't fucking drive on that road.
> We need to find more ways to stop all these
> fuckers that refuse to carpool or use public
> transportation. The real solution to our traffic
> problems is to get all these cars off our roads
> not to build more roads. Make these motorists pay
> for the problems that they have created.


That is exactly right.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: ...in the 22039 ()
Date: December 04, 2018 10:22PM

Another key factor in the "tax generation cycle" which perhaps is overlooked, is the fact that hybrids and electric cars do not pay FUEL TAXES like gasoline vehicles.

Fact of the matter is hybrid vehicles still cause wear on the infrastructure, yet pay little to no taxes through gasoline sales. Electric plug-ins, none, either.

Diesel vieles pay slightly more in state sales tax on fuel in VA. Here's an interesting map which compares states:


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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: dpcwk ()
Date: December 05, 2018 08:02AM

I would support tolls if they worked. They don't. The toll keeps going up as they find new things to fund. First, it's we need the toll to maintain the road. Then we need money for schools or something else. It simply never stops.

The Dulles tolls are increasing to pay for the Silver line. When the Silver line is complete are the tolls going back down? Don't hold your breath.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Senior citizen ()
Date: December 05, 2018 10:01AM

county worker77 Wrote:
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> We need to find more ways to stop all these fuckers that
< refuse to carpool or use public transportation. The real
> solution to our traffic problems is to get all these cars
> off our roads not to build more roads. Make these motorists
> pay for the problems that they have created.

As a retired person, I can assure you all that road networks are sufficient to allow one to zip around the region with ease as long as you can travel outside of the AM and PM peaks. It's all the cars trying to go to the same places at the same time that cause all the problems. Think of ways to stop doing that.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: 5-0 ()
Date: December 05, 2018 10:34PM

Yep..They need money. They’re running out. Churchill said, “Socialism if great until it runs out of other people’s money.” No. Va. Will be looking like France soon. Tolls on all the good roads.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Farris Mueller ()
Date: December 05, 2018 11:54PM

...in the 22039 Wrote:
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> Another key factor in the "tax generation cycle"
> which perhaps is overlooked, is the fact that
> hybrids and electric cars do not pay FUEL TAXES
> like gasoline vehicles.
>
> Fact of the matter is hybrid vehicles still cause
> wear on the infrastructure, yet pay little to no
> taxes through gasoline sales. Electric plug-ins,
> none, either.
>
> Diesel vieles pay slightly more in state sales tax
> on fuel in VA. Here's an interesting map which
> compares states:
>
>


Also, does a locality like Fairfax County apply a county tax on the gas over and above the state tax? Gas in PWC is normally about $.20 cents a gallon less than in Fairfax County.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Igotstheanswer ()
Date: December 05, 2018 11:59PM

Massive increase in telework. The feds should take the lead. Require at least two or three days a week per fed employee spent on telework and stagger the scedules. No real reason not to. Its easier and less expensive to build network infrastructure than roads. The mindset needs to be changed and the gov needs to be the leader. Most jobs can be done remote. Of course there are a small percent that can't be done unless physically present. Most gov jobs in this area involve pushing paper and sitting on a fat ass.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Farris Mueller ()
Date: December 06, 2018 12:03AM

Igotstheanswer Wrote:
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> Massive increase in telework. The feds should take
> the lead. Require at least two or three days a
> week per fed employee spent on telework and
> stagger the scedules. No real reason not to. Its
> easier and less expensive to build network
> infrastructure than roads. The mindset needs to
> be changed and the gov needs to be the leader.
> Most jobs can be done remote. Of course there are
> a small percent that can't be done unless
> physically present. Most gov jobs in this area
> involve pushing paper and sitting on a fat ass.


While I'd tend to agree with you, there are some people who should not telework at all. They need to have near-constant supervision to keep them somewhat productive.

If government would cut out a lot of red tape when it comes to firing someone and act more like private industry, things would be a lot better off. You'd have productive people teleworking and not tele-"snoozing".

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: The Agree-er ()
Date: December 06, 2018 11:19AM

Farris Mueller Wrote:
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> If government would cut out a lot of red tape when
> it comes to firing someone and act more like
> private industry, things would be a lot better
> off. You'd have productive people teleworking and
> not tele-"snoozing".

+1

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: firefire290923239009 ()
Date: December 06, 2018 11:45AM

This is exactly when democrats need to be lit on fire. A pyre of democrat politicians with the smoke going up to the sky would be a wonderful sight!

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Number One Deplorable ()
Date: December 06, 2018 12:12PM

Farris Mueller Wrote:
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> Also, does a locality like Fairfax County apply a
> county tax on the gas over and above the state
> tax? Gas in PWC is normally about $.20 cents a
> gallon less than in Fairfax County.


No. But land for your gas station is a hella lot cheaper in PWC. Also easier to find cheap labor. Lower overhead; lower prices.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: u78 ()
Date: December 06, 2018 01:52PM

If you vote Democrat, you can never complain about taxes. Democrats have also supported slavery, and they want to make everyone a slave to government.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: ...in the 22039 ()
Date: December 06, 2018 02:32PM

Something else to consider, we got "away" from "Toll Roads" decades ago in VA. Leesburg TURNPIKE, Little River TPKE, etc., all toll roads. Now it's cool to toll? Why?

What would have been better, is proper forecasting and planning, coupled with developers PAYING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE vs. build and run when done.

I heard someone mention the Fairfax County Parkway and rather smugly discussed "the HOT lanes which are coming".

Hopefully this is not indicative of the rest of this county's mentality.

I also think this is to "upset" enough of Fairfax County that we "pass a meals tax" to "save ourselves" from tolling the Parkway. Neither, in my opinion, are good options.

Having lived in Fairfax County every year of my life, I can say I've witnessed the changes in this county, and it's obvious it's a different place these days. But hopefully not a lost cause.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: for whom the bell tolls ()
Date: December 06, 2018 03:52PM

...in the 22039 Wrote:
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> Something else to consider, we got "away" from
> "Toll Roads" decades ago in VA. Leesburg TURNPIKE,
> Little River TPKE, etc., all toll roads. Now it's
> cool to toll?

Tolled roads were common in early America going all the way back to the british colonies. What happened is that nobody wants to pay higher taxes, but they still want more roads.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Turnpike boom ()
Date: December 06, 2018 04:13PM

Toll roads were rare in the colonial period. Plenty of toll bridges and ferries but the roads themselves were free. The toll road boom started after we obtained our independence from Britain. Then like today legislatures had an unfortunate habit of giving away existing roads to private companies that promised to upgrade, extend and maintain them, yet ended up having to be bailed out by taxpayers. Which has something to do with why we stopped having toll roads. Transurban is working off an old script.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Taxaholic ()
Date: December 06, 2018 04:41PM

for whom the bell tolls Wrote:
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> ...in the 22039 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Something else to consider, we got "away" from
> > "Toll Roads" decades ago in VA. Leesburg
> TURNPIKE,
> > Little River TPKE, etc., all toll roads. Now
> it's
> > cool to toll?
>
> Tolled roads were common in early America going
> all the way back to the british colonies. What
> happened is that nobody wants to pay higher taxes,
> but they still want more roads.


We pay plenty in gasoline taxes, but all that money goes to fat union pensions, thanks to asshole socialist dem politicians who traded our tax money for votes.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: causeican ()
Date: December 06, 2018 06:39PM

for whom the bell tolls Wrote:
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> ...in the 22039 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Something else to consider, we got "away" from
> > "Toll Roads" decades ago in VA. Leesburg
> TURNPIKE,
> > Little River TPKE, etc., all toll roads. Now
> it's
> > cool to toll?
>
> Tolled roads were common in early America going
> all the way back to the british colonies. What
> happened is that nobody wants to pay higher taxes,
> but they still want more roads.

do you think the current toll roads are a tax?

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Why Is Fairfax Still a County ()
Date: December 06, 2018 07:31PM

>Why not get Richmond to "give more back" from our tax dollars? Or, spend more wisely?

Counties send money to Richmond cities keep, look at Va Beach and a list of Va cites way less in size then FXCO, Dems are scared they will not win the Mayors seat and majority on a city council so here we sit sending money to Richmond

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Their Lexus lanes ()
Date: December 06, 2018 07:36PM

>do you think the current toll roads are a tax?

They do nothing to move traffic save gas create less pollution. They pulled the wool over many eye when they said they were widening the beltway and it turned out to be private toll lanes that sit half empty when the rest of the road is clogged

Global warming is a con game for Democrats to suck money out of you

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: FBXHY ()
Date: December 06, 2018 07:54PM

Georgetown Pike/Rt 193 was a Toll Road back in the day. Tolls were paid per horse, per wagon, per farm animal using the road. The Pike was used to ferry animals and produce from Reston, Sterling and Leesburg to the Port of Georgetown via Chain Bridge which was also likely a Toll Bridge.

The Toll Houses were The Country Day School house and the Mederia School.

The Langley Post Office/Tavern was and overnight spot before heading down Chain Bridge Road to the Port Of Georgetown.

But at the end of the day, really need to know where and how much of this Toll money is going and how much is collected.

It really is a Tax, because if you do not drive or take Public Transportation you do not pay this Tax.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: not my 1st rodeo. ()
Date: December 06, 2018 08:11PM

The long term solution to our traffic troubles starts with plenty of tolls on our roads. Fairfax is going through a suburban to urban transition. This is how it is done. The tolls are absolutely necessary so get over it!

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: nimbo ()
Date: December 06, 2018 08:50PM

You got Wexon'd mother fuckers!!! The Restonian libs lick this shit up, they want to tax everything so the illegals can keep spilling in and get the rewards of a free American education and lots of anchor babies.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: XXfruppieXX ()
Date: December 07, 2018 04:49AM

nimbo Wrote:
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> You got Wexon'd mother fuckers!!! The Restonian
> libs lick this shit up, they want to tax
> everything so the illegals can keep spilling in
> and get the rewards of a free American education
> and lots of anchor babies.


That's stupid.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Pc Retardz ()
Date: December 07, 2018 05:12AM

Liberals are a plague.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: So slow... ()
Date: December 07, 2018 10:10AM

Their Lexus lanes Wrote:
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> They pulled the wool over many eye when they said they were
> widening the beltway...

No, they did that.

> ...and it turned out to be private toll lanes that sit half
> empty when the rest of the road is clogged

This is great! Carpoolers get a speed-limit ride for free. Tolls for the rest of you are updated every few minutes based on traffic volumes. If you can't afford it, fine. Sit an stew. It's all you deserve.

> Global warming is a con game for Democrats to suck money
> out of you

That's so ridiculously dumb! I bet you swallowed all that ginned up 'Climategate' crapola. So stupid.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Insanity ()
Date: December 07, 2018 10:47AM

It is pretty simple. Without new taxes and roads, Fairfax County simply cannot afford to build and maintain roads because it is spending a sh!t-ton on services for illegal aliens who have swamped county services. No one in the county government will say this publicly, because it would destroy their career. But dig into the numbers and it's obvious. Hell, just look at how much the County school system pays for ESOL programs. Until/unless someone is elected who has the balls to at least even publicly mention the problem, the only thing we can expect are these neverending cash grabs.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Get a grip ()
Date: December 07, 2018 11:28AM

^^^ Another stupid douchebag. Immigrants from wherever pay all the same taxes that you do, and as residents, their kids have the same right to attend FCPS schools that yours do. Stop being such a baby!

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Great Falls Town Center ()
Date: December 07, 2018 11:40AM

Then what the hell are we paying such high taxes for? Salaries of the board?

Gotta love the 193 and Reston parkway expansion and toll plan. I'm sure all the folks in Great Falls are going to love paying tolls and the new 20 story Great Fall Town Center.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Number One Deplorable ()
Date: December 07, 2018 11:53AM

Get a grip Wrote:
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> ^^^ Another stupid douchebag. Immigrants from
> wherever pay all the same taxes that you do, and
> as residents, their kids have the same right to
> attend FCPS schools that yours do. Stop being
> such a baby!

Immigrants? I mentioned ILLEGALS. Who definitely as a group do NOT pay sufficient taxes to support the services which they consume.

And as for rights . . . they have the right to sit in classes in English like everyone else. They also have the right to be rounded up and deported. And you can go with them.

Problem solved.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: No Tolling Allowed ()
Date: December 07, 2018 11:58AM

Transurban will get rich. Prepare yourself for $30 tolls just to take your daughter to her soccer game or to make a quick run to Safeway for milk and sugar.

Vote no on tolls

Vote no on Transurban.

Vote yes on using public tax revenue to expand existing roads for use by the public citizenry.

Do not fall for the lobbying effort.

Look at the Beltway. $40 tolls!!!!!

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Melania the Immigrant ()
Date: December 07, 2018 11:58AM

Number One Deplorable Wrote:
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> Get a grip Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ^^^ Another stupid douchebag. Immigrants from
> > wherever pay all the same taxes that you do,
> and
> > as residents, their kids have the same right to
> > attend FCPS schools that yours do. Stop being
> > such a baby!
>
> Immigrants? I mentioned ILLEGALS. Who definitely
> as a group do NOT pay sufficient taxes to support
> the services which they consume.
>
> And as for rights . . . they have the right to sit
> in classes in English like everyone else. They
> also have the right to be rounded up and deported.
> And you can go with them.
>
> s.

If we gave illegals citizenship they would gladly pay taxes. Why aren't we focusing on that? Hell, the immigrant Melania can barely speak English.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: chicken lights and chrome ()
Date: December 07, 2018 05:23PM

not my 1st rodeo. Wrote:
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> The long term solution to our traffic troubles
> starts with plenty of tolls on our roads. Fairfax
> is going through a suburban to urban transition.
> This is how it is done. The tolls are absolutely
> necessary so get over it!


I know you are trolling. Fuck you.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Diehard Liberal ()
Date: December 07, 2018 06:03PM

What is funny is that longtime Fairfax residents will have to pay more taxes and tolls to cover the costs linked to the influx of liberals and illegals. You're paying us to fuck you over! HAHAHAHA!

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: user tax = good tax ()
Date: December 09, 2018 06:37AM

No Tolling Allowed Wrote:
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> Transurban will get rich. Prepare yourself for
> $30 tolls just to take your daughter to her soccer
> game or to make a quick run to Safeway for milk
> and sugar.
>
> Vote no on tolls
>
> Vote no on Transurban.
>
> Vote yes on using public tax revenue to expand
> existing roads for use by the public citizenry.
>
> Do not fall for the lobbying effort.
>
> Look at the Beltway. $40 tolls!!!!!


The money has to come from somewhere you ignorant fucker.
Best way to raise the money is to have the people who use the road the most pay the most. These tolls make perfect sense and you will be paying them.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Not so fast ()
Date: December 09, 2018 08:15AM

User-fees make some sense when benefits accrue only or mostly to discrete users. When some segment of society benefits as well, taxation would be appropriate.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Pay more attention ()
Date: December 09, 2018 08:31AM

As the article in the OP made clear enough even for idiots, it's VDOT and FCDOT who are looking at and discussing studies of how tolls might or might not benefit traffic flows in the county.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: cvh9h ()
Date: December 09, 2018 09:03AM

We need to find more ways to stop all these fuckers that refuse to carpool or use public transportation.

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Ruck you too. It's a free country you totalitarian communist control-freak. Why don't you just make it illegal to own private transportation? That would solve the problem.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Travel agent ()
Date: December 09, 2018 09:25AM

^^^ Freedom & Liberty nutcases should be rounded up and shipped to someplace in rural Idaho. I hear it's nice there this time of year. Meanwhile, you don't have any god-given right to drive to work solo and get there in less than 10 minutes. There are social costs involved when dummies act out based on that sort of mindset, so expect to receive a bill for it.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Sink Pisser ()
Date: December 09, 2018 09:47AM

Diehard Liberal Wrote:
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> What is funny is that longtime Fairfax residents
> will have to pay more taxes and tolls to cover the
> costs linked to the influx of liberals and
> illegals. You're paying us to fuck you over!
> HAHAHAHA!

No you stupid fuck. The funny part is that ultimately, YOU will end up paying for it when your fat, ugly daughter fucks an illegal, gets pregnant and then you get to support of both of them until you die.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Hmmm... ()
Date: December 09, 2018 10:06AM

Sink Pisser Wrote:
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> No you stupid fuck. The funny part is that ultimately,
> YOU will end up paying for it when your fat, ugly daughter
> fucks an illegal, gets pregnant and then you get to support
> of both of them until you die.

Why not just pay for an abortion and be done with it? Who do these creepy little fetuses think they are anyway?

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Hell No To This ()
Date: December 09, 2018 11:00AM

>If we gave illegals citizenship they would gladly pay taxes.

If we deported you we would have far less problems, you get a free pass from Democrats sneaking into the USA while the world has to come legally

GO TO HELL with The Democrats with you, Why do Democrats support ILLEGALS while telling everyone who has to wait and come legally within the laws of the US to GO TO HELL

Mark Warner "NO Ones Above The Law" Except Illegals HYPOCRITE!

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: NO Life Lib In A Firetrap ()
Date: December 09, 2018 11:06AM

>We need to find more ways to stop all these fuckers that refuse to carpool or use public transportation.

You want to live in a 6 story firetrap with all the other weed and drug freaks next to a Metro so you can hit the gay bars without a car fine

Leave the rest of us alone Go tell Mexico China India Russia everywhere else not to drive asshole

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Grow up... ()
Date: December 09, 2018 11:18AM

Being undocumented is a status crime. Like driving without bringing your driver's license along. Illegals meanwhile pay all the same taxes that you do. They are involved in crimes at rates lower than the native-born population. The GDP that they produce easily outweighs the costs of such welfare benefits as they receive. They can't vote in any state or federal election nor in most municipal elections.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: user tax = good tax ()
Date: December 09, 2018 11:29AM

Grow up... Wrote:
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> Being undocumented is a status crime. Like
> driving without bringing your driver's license
> along. Illegals meanwhile pay all the same taxes
> that you do. They are involved in crimes at rates
> lower than the native-born population. The GDP
> that they produce easily outweighs the costs of
> such welfare benefits as they receive. They can't
> vote in any state or federal election nor in most
> municipal elections.


Not to mention that the majority of the children of Illegals grow up to be reasonably well educated tax paying citizens. Illegals cost nothing, they actually add to out tax revenues.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: In the real world... ()
Date: December 09, 2018 11:44AM

user tax = good tax Wrote:
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> Not to mention that the majority of the children
> of Illegals grow up to be reasonably well educated
> tax paying citizens. Illegals cost nothing, they
> actually add to out tax revenues.

We are indeed fortunate to have this pool of young, industrious, healthy workers willing and able to join our economy. This is one of our chief long-term advantages over the likes of China, Japan, Korea, and most of Europe with their top-heavy population pyramids weighed down by large numbers of old and infirm people.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: wlkkh ()
Date: December 09, 2018 01:07PM

Travel agent Wrote:
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> ^^^ Freedom & Liberty nutcases should be rounded
> up and shipped to someplace in rural Idaho. I

Spoken like a true totalitarian communist. Stalin/Mao/Hitler would be proud. Why don't we just kill them?

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Number One Deplorable ()
Date: December 09, 2018 10:58PM

If we just rounded up all the illegals and then bussed them all to Mejico like we should, then 50% of the problems in this country would be solved.

If we rounded up all the leftists and sent them to concentration camps, the other 50% of the problems would be solved.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: H6FEW ()
Date: December 10, 2018 10:56AM

Grow up... Wrote:
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They are involved in crimes at rates
> lower than the native-born population. The GDP
> that they produce easily outweighs the costs of
> such welfare benefits as they receive.

In order to figure this all out, wouldn't one need an accurate number of the illegal aliens present in the USA? As well as how many AKAs/aliases/fake names each one uses?

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Not so fast ()
Date: December 10, 2018 01:58PM

Number One Deplorable Wrote:
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> If we just rounded up all the illegals and then
> bussed them all to Mejico like we should, then 50%
> of the problems in this country would be solved.
> If we rounded up all the leftists and sent them to
> concentration camps, the other 50% of the problems
> would be solved.

Nope. We’d still have the massive problem of all you right-wing dumbfucks to contend with. One screwed up nOtion after another. There’s just no hope for these bozos.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Sea Foam ()
Date: December 11, 2018 10:44AM

Not so fast Wrote:
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> Number One Deplorable Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If we just rounded up all the illegals and then
> > bussed them all to Mejico like we should, then
> 50%
> > of the problems in this country would be solved.
>
> > If we rounded up all the leftists and sent them
> to
> > concentration camps, the other 50% of the
> problems
> > would be solved.
>
> Nope. We’d still have the massive problem of
> all you right-wing dumbfucks to contend with. One
> screwed up nOtion after another. There’s just
> no hope for these bozos.

You have a bleeding heart but no brains.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Burke Virginia Wrote ()
Date: December 11, 2018 10:50AM

If they bring tolls to the Fairfax County Parkway, I'll just drive, using my undocumented automobile.

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Math Is Marina ()
Date: December 11, 2018 06:04PM

I'm for toll lanes on FFX Parkway. I'll happily pay to let you poors sit and stew as you watch me fly by. Toodles!

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Re: Who the heck is coming up with these ideas to propose tolls on The Fairfax County Parkway?
Posted by: Think Again ()
Date: December 11, 2018 06:18PM

Toll roads are simply the worst form of regressive tax on the poor and lower middle class. They have to spend the largest percentage of their incomes to travel on those roads. Tolls, because they take so much of the income, provide a large incentive to stay out of the workforce. That increases public assistance costs.

Moreover, if someone does choose to work, distance based tolls drastically shrink the area in which it's practical to seek work. That limits both incomes and upward mobility.

And don't give me the song and dance about public transit. It's only useful if it takes someone from where they live to where they work and back, and the times they want to travel. That's countless collection points and dispersion points all up and down the parkway, at an astronomical cost.

I'm surprised the Democrats are for tolls. It seems to make all of their talk about helping the downtrodden meaningless drivel. If they really wanted to help, they'd make it less costly to go to work.

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