It turns out a local Chevy dealer in the NOVA area sold me a previously damaged car that had significant damage from an accident. This was discovered on CarFax and never disclosed to me prior to making the purchase. I was never given a copy of the CarFax to review. I took their word for it because the car looked straight and had no outward signs of any prior accident damage. Drove straight, all body panels lined up correct and no paint abnormalities.

What responsibilities does a car dealer have in disclosing this information? What are my options? I was told by the salesman the car had a clean CarFax report which turns out to be completely false.

And please, no comedians or internet "lawyers" need respond

You fucked up dumbass...trusting a car dealer. Let me guess you voted for Hillary?

What type of person buys a used car without checking the carfax or title?

Get a lawyer. You will own that dealership!

Cheap Plaid Jacket Wrote:
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> You fucked up dumbass...trusting a car dealer. Let
> me guess you voted for Hillary?

Trump is more of a "used car salesman" than Killary!

Stupid People Wrote:
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> What type of person buys a used car without
> checking the carfax or title?

I don't think the OP is asking for advice on how to not let this happen. He/She is asking for advice on what can be done now, if anything. I'm not a legal expert but I believe a car dealer does have to disclose this information prior to a sale.

Earl Schieb Wrote:
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> I'm
> not a legal expert but I believe a car dealer does
> have to disclose this information prior to a sale.

In some cases, yes

https://blog.consumeractionlawgroup.com/the-dealership-failed-to-disclose-material-facts-about-a-used-vehicle/

If this isn't a troll post, because I don't think anyone would be dumb as OP and not check the Carfax, you are fucked. It is on the buyer to ASK TO SEE THE PAPERS PRIOR TO PURCHASE. It is your word against the salesmans at this point.

Buyers Remorse Wrote:
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> If this isn't a troll post, because I don't think
> anyone would be dumb as OP and not check the
> Carfax, you are fucked. It is on the buyer to ASK
> TO SEE THE PAPERS PRIOR TO PURCHASE. It is your
> word against the salesmans at this point.

Not according to the post above yours! The dealership has an obligation to disclose material facts. Material facts would include serious accident damage.

If the OP gets this on TV and newspapers and smears the dealership's reputation, the sky is the limit on how much they will pay him to shut up!

Troll Post: Chevy Nova





















=

You bought that dark silver Honda Accord that was returned 3 times because it drives down the road sideways - Didn't you?

pkjkE Wrote:
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> Buyers Remorse Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If this isn't a troll post, because I don't
> think
> > anyone would be dumb as OP and not check the
> > Carfax, you are fucked. It is on the buyer to
> ASK
> > TO SEE THE PAPERS PRIOR TO PURCHASE. It is
> your
> > word against the salesmans at this point.
>
> Not according to the post above yours! The
> dealership has an obligation to disclose material
> facts. Material facts would include serious
> accident damage.
>
> If the OP gets this on TV and newspapers and
> smears the dealership's reputation, the sky is the
> limit on how much they will pay him to shut up!

Dude how stupid are you to fall for OPs shit troll work?? Would anyone really be dumb enough to come here for advice? You have been trolled son!

smell my fart

Send an email to the GM and give him 24 hours to unwind the deal or you will call 7 on your side and the story will be on the air.

...and 7 on your side will say fuck off, call the BBB or get a BBC

For all you "not know it alls", dealerships do have an obligation to disclose material facts about prior serious damage on a vehicle for sale. But I agree, FU is not a reliable source for anything.

OP, call the TV DC TV stations. I bet you get contacted by the dealership pretty quick!

Did someone sell Wisdom Martin a POS used car?

h4P3y Wrote:
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> For all you "not know it alls", dealerships do
> have an obligation to disclose material facts
> about prior serious damage on a vehicle for sale.
> But I agree, FU is not a reliable source for
> anything.
>
> OP, call the TV DC TV stations. I bet you get
> contacted by the dealership pretty quick!


You are a delusional...those TV stations don't give a flying fuck about some dumbass who bought a used car....just take it back to the dealer and threaten to drive it through the front window. I actually had a friend threaten do that at Koons Ford in 7-Corners...they took back his car.

WDuHH Wrote:
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> Earl Schieb Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm
> > not a legal expert but I believe a car dealer
> does
> > have to disclose this information prior to a
> sale.
>
> In some cases, yes
>
> https://blog.consumeractionlawgroup.com/the-dealer
> ship-failed-to-disclose-material-facts-about-a-use
> d-vehicle/

This is an ad for a California law firm, and the advice is probably based on California law. These laws vary from state to state, so you should check to see what the requirements are for the state where the car sale took place.

9c6Tn Wrote:
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> h4P3y Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > For all you "not know it alls", dealerships do
> > have an obligation to disclose material facts
> > about prior serious damage on a vehicle for
> sale.
> > But I agree, FU is not a reliable source for
> > anything.
> >
> > OP, call the TV DC TV stations. I bet you get
> > contacted by the dealership pretty quick!
>
>
> You are a delusional...those TV stations don't
> give a flying fuck about some dumbass who bought a
> used car....just take it back to the dealer and
> threaten to drive it through the front window. I
> actually had a friend threaten do that at Koons
> Ford in 7-Corners...they took back his car.

TV reporters love embarrassing businesses.

ashcfjhrjwjxjck Wrote:
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> Send an email to the GM and give him 24 hours to
> unwind the deal or you will call 7 on your side
> and the story will be on the air.

If not, you can certainly make their life miserable in the community. Especially if they had a previously good reputation.

same thing happened for mom at coleman motor sports in falls church buying a used nissan altima...

i camped out for the day talking to every customer coming in and after a few hours they agreed to take it back...
time has healed the anger, but they are back on my list after reading your post...

any way you can cause them pain, keep at it....post their phone numbers on sex hotlines, march out front of their store, call immigration on their workers-customers, and if 7 on your side calls (or a friend doing a good impersonation) even better

7FJMG Wrote:
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> ashcfjhrjwjxjck Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Send an email to the GM and give him 24 hours
> to
> > unwind the deal or you will call 7 on your side
> > and the story will be on the air.
>
> If not, you can certainly make their life
> miserable in the community. Especially if they had
> a previously good reputation.

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OP here, thanks for the advice ^

The real pisser is I really like this car and it seems to run and drive fine, no issues. I'm just not happy about the accident damage not being disclosed. I know modern body shops can fix almost any damage back to nearly new. I just dont like being lied to. And if the law says they have to disclose it, then that's what they should do. Still considering options.

I'm a lawyer. But since you said "no lawyers" I shall remain silent.

Pissed Wrote:
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> OP here, thanks for the advice ^
>
> The real pisser is I really like this car and it
> seems to run and drive fine, no issues. I'm just
> not happy about the accident damage not being
> disclosed. I know modern body shops can fix almost
> any damage back to nearly new. I just dont like
> being lied to. And if the law says they have to
> disclose it, then that's what they should do.
> Still considering options.

Have you considered being raped and killed? Because that sounds like the best option.

chuckhoffmann Wrote:
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> IIRC, the Virginia Consumer Protection Act allows
> courts to award reasonable attorney's fees and
> court costs, meaning the lawyer will get paid if
> you win. Since he'll get paid, if you have even a
> halfway decent case, he'll take it.

This is extremely bad advice. A law which allows the court to order one party to pay the other party's lawyer fees does not mean that a lawyer only gets paid if his client wins. What it means is if his client wins, the court can order the losing party to REIMBURSE his client party for the attorney fees he or she incurred. The client is obligated to pay his attorney for time and expenses, win or lose. Most likely the client will have to pay his attorney on a pay as you go basis.

If the party wins, the court's judgment may include an order directing the losing party to pay a certain amount to the winning party as reimbursement for his or her attorneys fees. That judgment might reflect the full amount of attorneys fees the winning party is obligated to pay his attorney. It may only be a partial reimbursement. It is a judgment only, which may or may not be collected on, and which might require additional attorneys fees and expenses to collect on.

Contingent fee representation is the only kind of representation where a party is not obligated to pay lawyer fees unless he wins or collects. You can have an attorney represent you on a contingent fee basis even if the law does not expressly provide the court the authority to order that the losing party pays the winning party's attorneys fees. The norm in contingent fee representation is for the attorney's fee to be based on the total recovery, not the fee award, but maybe a different arrangement can be negotiated.

Most attorneys will not take cases on a contingent fee basis unless they see the potential that the fee they will receive will be much higher than what they would charge if the same work was done on an hourly rate basis. You may have a good case, but if it will take the lawyer 30 hours to work the case and his fee is only going to be $2,000, forget it.

Unless its frame, flood, odometer, or bad title, they cant be held responsible for you not asking.

In this day and age, everything gets reported to CarFax, even minor damage. If car dealerships couldnt sell cars with Carfax depicted damage, there would not be many used cars to choose from/purchase.

If the car was "certified" by the manufacturer, you may be able to complain to the manufacturer, IF, key word, IF that particular manufacturer doesnt allow the dealerships to brand damaged cars, as "certified"

You are also leaving out a lot of info here.

Whats the dealership name? NOVA Chevy dealer is not helping anyone really give you good advice thus far.

What kind of car? Make? Model? Year?

If you drove it off the lot, its yours. You cannot take it back.

However, if you give me the info above, I may know how to help you, as I have been in the car business for almost 20 years, all in this area and know most dealerships practices, as well as employees.

I learned some tricks the shady dealers do- mostly the shitty ones on route 1 run by Muhommad. If the ad doesn't include a carfax, it's wrecked. If you have to email them for a carfax, it's fake and the car is wrecked. If the price is too good to be true, it's wrecked.

I was interested in a BMW 335. No carfax on website. I called the guy, he says he can supply me a carfax if I went down there. No thanks. I actually "wasted" the $40 on a real carfax. Damn thing was wrecked with structural damage, but no air bag deployment. Pass. Good luck selling any car with carfax accident damage reported back to a dealer!

Keep in mind many vehicles have had some form of damage along the way. It's pretty normal.

If it was significant enough that you care, email the GM and other heads that unless the problem is remedied to your satisfaction, you'll leave detailed and scathing reviews on every website that allows you to. I left a bad Google review for the last dealer that I bought from and they literally repainted half of my car at no charge, cut me a check for what it cost to powdercoat my wheels, and gave me a loaner for 3 weeks.

Car salesman Wrote:
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> Unless its frame, flood, odometer, or bad title,
> they cant be held responsible for you not asking.
>
> In this day and age, everything gets reported to
> CarFax, even minor damage. If car dealerships
> couldnt sell cars with Carfax depicted damage,
> there would not be many used cars to choose
> from/purchase.
>
> If the car was "certified" by the manufacturer,
> you may be able to complain to the manufacturer,
> IF, key word, IF that particular manufacturer
> doesnt allow the dealerships to brand damaged
> cars, as "certified"
>
> You are also leaving out a lot of info here.
>
> Whats the dealership name? NOVA Chevy dealer is
> not helping anyone really give you good advice
> thus far.
>
> What kind of car? Make? Model? Year?
>
> If you drove it off the lot, its yours. You cannot
> take it back.
>
> However, if you give me the info above, I may know
> how to help you, as I have been in the car
> business for almost 20 years, all in this area and
> know most dealerships practices, as well as
> employees.

Why does it matter who the dealership is?

Law says if they know the vehicle has been wrecked that have to disclose it. Period.

I had the same problem. Bought a car right there at an dealership not to be named right there by Fairfax Circle. Had to bring it back to them for many repairs after I figured out it had been wrecked by a milk delivery truck and also some assholes had keyed it.

At least I was there at Fairfax Circle so I could head over to Arthur Treacher's for some fucking awesome fish, chips and hush puppies! And a coke.

All I'm hearing here is "I'm a big pussy." From OP and everyone else. How about you handle your business and leave FFXU alone?

nkYKU Wrote:
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> Car salesman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Unless its frame, flood, odometer, or bad
> title,
> > they cant be held responsible for you not
> asking.
> >
> > In this day and age, everything gets reported
> to
> > CarFax, even minor damage. If car dealerships
> > couldnt sell cars with Carfax depicted damage,
> > there would not be many used cars to choose
> > from/purchase.
> >
> > If the car was "certified" by the manufacturer,
> > you may be able to complain to the
> manufacturer,
> > IF, key word, IF that particular manufacturer
> > doesnt allow the dealerships to brand damaged
> > cars, as "certified"
> >
> > You are also leaving out a lot of info here.
> >
> > Whats the dealership name? NOVA Chevy dealer
> is
> > not helping anyone really give you good advice
> > thus far.
> >
> > What kind of car? Make? Model? Year?
> >
> > If you drove it off the lot, its yours. You
> cannot
> > take it back.
> >
> > However, if you give me the info above, I may
> know
> > how to help you, as I have been in the car
> > business for almost 20 years, all in this area
> and
> > know most dealerships practices, as well as
> > employees.
>
> Why does it matter who the dealership is?
>
> Law says if they know the vehicle has been wrecked
> that have to disclose it. Period.


No. Your definition of "wrecked" is most likely not the same as VA. I am trying to actually help the OP, with my near 20 years in the industry, from salesman to General Manager of a CHEVROLET STORE IN NOVA.

Car salesman Wrote:
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>
>
> No. Your definition of "wrecked" is most likely
> not the same as VA. I am trying to actually help
> the OP, with my near 20 years in the industry,
> from salesman to General Manager of a CHEVROLET
> STORE IN NOVA.

Ok what is your definition of "wrecked"?

What responsibility does a VA car dealer have in disclosing accident history if the dealer is AWARE of the facts?

Car Buyer Wrote:
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> Car salesman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > No. Your definition of "wrecked" is most likely
> > not the same as VA. I am trying to actually
> help
> > the OP, with my near 20 years in the industry,
> > from salesman to General Manager of a CHEVROLET
> > STORE IN NOVA.
>
> Ok what is your definition of "wrecked"?
>
> What responsibility does a VA car dealer have in
> disclosing accident history if the dealer is AWARE
> of the facts?


Frame damage, flood damage, or damage caused while in the dealerships inventory, that exceeds 10% of sticker price (new) or 10% of NADA loan value (used).

You are a dumb idiot. PT Barnum continues to be right with his famous statement. If you are still dumb enough not to know what I mean, google it.

Car salesman Wrote:
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>
>
> No. Your definition of "wrecked" is most likely
> not the same as VA. I am trying to actually help
> the OP, with my near 20 years in the industry,
> from salesman to General Manager of a CHEVROLET
> STORE IN NOVA.

To the OP. First of all, don't pay any attention to Car Salesman. Those snakes all stick together. For all we know, he's the salesman on your transaction.

2nd - File a complaint with the Consumer Protection Division in the Va Atty General's office. That will get the dealers attention. They cannot sell you a car they know was wrecked without disclosing this information. It's a violation of consumer protection laws.

3rd - Call the local TV stations. They all have consumer advocates that love to stick it to scamming car dealers.

4th - NAME THE DEALERSHIP! There is no reason to keep this quiet. They need to be punished.

5th-THIS IS A FUCKING TROLL THREAD.

Been There Done That or Wrote:
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> 5th-THIS IS A FUCKING TROLL THREAD.

Doesn't sound like a troll thread to me. Plenty of people get victimized and ripped off by car dealers. They are the most hated segment of the commercial sector.

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Attachments:

TRoll thread. Now excuse me while I go to Arthur Teacher's.

I know there is a Virginia law which says dealers must disclose damage when they sell new cars. I have not seen anything which expressly requires those selling used cars must disclose damage. For those here who say the law requires this, what is your source?

http://budgeting.thenest.com/dealer-sells-damaged-car-24720.html

Many accidents don't show up on the car fax report. The best thing to do before you buy a car is to get pre-purchase inspection from another shop. If the dealer won't let you get a pre-purchase inspection, go somewhere else. There are no shortage of nice cars in the DC area.

Ex Dealer Wrote:
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> Many accidents don't show up on the car fax
> report. The best thing to do before you buy a car
> is to get pre-purchase inspection from another
> shop. If the dealer won't let you get a
> pre-purchase inspection, go somewhere else. There
> are no shortage of nice cars in the DC area.

So you're saying the dealer has no responsibility to disclose negative material facts that they are aware before the transaction?

I find that hard to believe. You think some little old lady is going to know or have the inclination to take the car to have it inspected by a different shop?

thyjukm Wrote:
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> TRoll thread. Now excuse me while I go to Arthur
> Teacher's.


Exactly. Some nice fried haddock and delicious battered/fried hush puppies will make you forget about your terrible purchase. So head over to Arthur Treacher's now! While you are there, you can use our 3G wifi to shop for a new car at one of the many dealerships nearby in Fairfax.

Well, progress being made. I have the dealership a little worried. I filed a complaint with the VA Atty General's Office Consumer Protection Division. And lo and behold they are now offering me a deal to trade my "wrecked" car in for a different one. Only problem is, they got nothing I want. But at least they have acknowledged they lied to me and committed fraud. I still want cash compensation.

Stay tuned.

Yeah, they're quaking in their boots. You sound like a real stud.

Pissed Wrote:
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> It turns out a local Chevy dealer in the NOVA area
> sold me a previously damaged car that had
> significant damage from an accident. This was
> discovered on CarFax and never disclosed to me
> prior to making the purchase. I was never given a
> copy of the CarFax to review. I took their word
> for it because the car looked straight and had no
> outward signs of any prior accident damage. Drove
> straight, all body panels lined up correct and no
> paint abnormalities.
>
> What responsibilities does a car dealer have in
> disclosing this information? What are my options?
> I was told by the salesman the car had a clean
> CarFax report which turns out to be completely
> false.
>
> And please, no comedians or internet "lawyers"
> need respond

#1 not all accident cars are bad. maybe the body shop fixed all that counts.

#2 you have to ask for carfax, i can tell you know that and are lying

#3 it's always been the law in the USA that one cannot sell a horse with a bad eye (without informing the buyer)

lies aren't allowed during sale

buyer beware means

a) if get your ass stolen the gov won't help you unless it's over $2,000 ($500 small claims is usually offered)

b) you are responsible for checking an item for OBVIOUS defects, but yet the seller if they know of hidden defects MUST inform you no matter what

we know OP is a lying sack of shit because ...

there is a return law that allows persons to RETURN A BOUGHT CAR FOR CASH BACK FROM A DEALER if it is within (3 days is it?)

(OP is pretending salesman lie and there is nothign that can be done about it - totally full of crap.)

Mike O'Meara Show Fan Wrote:
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> Yeah, they're quaking in their boots. You sound
> like a real stud.

Since when do you need to be a stud to fuck up a car dealer? They are lower whale shit.

uKcDd Wrote:
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> Pissed Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It turns out a local Chevy dealer in the NOVA
> area
> > sold me a previously damaged car that had
> > significant damage from an accident. This was
> > discovered on CarFax and never disclosed to me
> > prior to making the purchase. I was never given
> a
> > copy of the CarFax to review. I took their word
> > for it because the car looked straight and had
> no
> > outward signs of any prior accident damage.
> Drove
> > straight, all body panels lined up correct and
> no
> > paint abnormalities.
> >
> > What responsibilities does a car dealer have in
> > disclosing this information? What are my
> options?
> > I was told by the salesman the car had a clean
> > CarFax report which turns out to be completely
> > false.
> >
> > And please, no comedians or internet "lawyers"
> > need respond
>
>

> #1 not all accident cars are bad. maybe the body
> shop fixed all that counts.
>
> #2 you have to ask for carfax, i can tell you
> know that and are lying
>
> #3 it's always been the law in the USA that one
> cannot sell a horse with a bad eye (without
> informing the buyer)
>
> lies aren't allowed during sale
>
> buyer beware means
>
> a) if get your ass stolen the gov won't help you
> unless it's over $2,000 ($500 small claims is
> usually offered)
>
> b) you are responsible for checking an item for
> OBVIOUS defects, but yet the seller if they know
> of hidden defects MUST inform you no matter what
>

>

> we know OP is a lying sack of shit because ...
>
> there is a return law that allows persons to
> RETURN A BOUGHT CAR FOR CASH BACK FROM A DEALER if
> it is within (3 days is it?)
>

>
> (OP is pretending salesman lie and there is
> nothign that can be done about it - totally full
> of crap.)

Obvious lying ass car dealer is obvious

Good. Eff those guys. Any big dealer should be able to find a vehicle to put in their stock though. Let them know what you want.

Stick it to um OP. Car dealers are the scum of the Earth.

git r done ! keep on them, but know when you have a good deal and don't get greedy...and report them to any online forums you can so their reputation costs the much more in the long run...tell them if they want silence, they are going to have to pay for it

J Man Wrote:
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> Good. Eff those guys. Any big dealer should be
> able to find a vehicle to put in their stock
> though. Let them know what you want.