Read two articles in the Fairfax Times about garages (Boston Properties) are charging for parking at the Reston TOWN Center.
Business' have seen a sharp decline in sales.
As predicted, many people, myself included, will never visit Reston Town Center again. Why should I? Their are enough good restaurants around town where parking is still FREE.

Merchants at RTC must be fuming!!!

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/2433941/2439532.html#msg-2439532
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/2430278/2437013.html#msg-2437013
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/2441495/2441495.html#msg-2441495

Imagine going to a car dealership to test drive a new car and talk to sales... and they charge you for parking your old car while you're doing business in there.

I see most stores losing 25% in revenue this year.

Hey, OP...how about you fucking search the site before attempting to dazzle us with your inferior intellect. We'really some sharp ass muffakahs all up in here. Chances are...a thread will already be underway.

JohnnyG Wrote:
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> Read two articles in the Fairfax Times about
> garages (Boston Properties) are charging for
> parking at the Reston TOWN Center.
> Business' have seen a sharp decline in sales.
> As predicted, many people, myself included, will
> never visit Reston Town Center again. Why should
> I? Their are enough good restaurants around town
> where parking is still FREE.
>
> Merchants at RTC must be fuming!!!


No, all but two of the RTC merchants were in favor of paid parking and so far it is working out as planned. We want to keep people like you away.

I much prefer Potomac Mills Mall, and it's within walking distance of my house.

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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”

If you need the App to get parking validated, I'm not going.

I don't like the paid parking, but if I need to go to RTC, it would not keep me away--but I strongly dislike the app idea. It should be easy to pay to park--not complicated.

I don't want an app I rarely use.

Just remember, fellow consumers...our dollars are the power. There is nothing unique or special about RTC. Everything for sale there can be bought elsewhere of either better quality, better prices or both...and without parking.

Fantom.Shitter Wrote:
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> Hey, OP...how about you fucking search the site
> before attempting to dazzle us with your inferior
> intellect. We'really some sharp ass muffakahs all
> up in here. Chances are...a thread will already be
> underway.

I find this new thread to be a breath of fresh air in this fetid and stagnant cesspool. Carry on, OP!

Park in the Best Buy parking lot and walk across the street you dumb fuck.

OP=moron Wrote:
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> Park in the Best Buy parking lot and walk across
> the street you dumb fuck.


They have a contracted undercover towing truck to hook up cars and haul away to the junk yards.

Go into BestBuy...buy some snacks from the point of sale area and keep your receipt. They can't tow you.

This is also useful for parking in the lot next to Herndon Festival. Although Herndon Festival sucks now so, there's really no need to even go anymore...

Even if you park and go into one of the stores near the Herndon Festival and then walk over to the festival they will tow you. Last year I did some shopping at the dollar store and didn't even know there was a festival going on until I pulled into the parking lot. Since I'd never been to the festival before, I decided to put the stuff I'd bought in my car and then walk over to check it out.
My car was towed.

I had to go to Fairfax to get it. I showed them the receipt and even the stuff I'd bought that was in bags in the back seat of my car. They didn't care.

Won't go there anymore - those same stores are at other malls with free parking.
Fair Oaks has just about all the same shopping options.

I always assumed patron parking was included in the lease agreements for the establishments? If so, the business owners should renegotiate their leases...

Reston is not the city. Screw property companies in the suburbs thinking they will get good amounts of business when charging for parking. The businesses will suffer.

GMU 2022 Wrote:
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> OP=moron Wrote:
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> > Park in the Best Buy parking lot and walk
> across
> > the street you dumb fuck.
>
>
> They have a contracted undercover towing truck to
> hook up cars and haul away to the junk yards.

They have uniformed guys walking around now putting these huge suction cup windshield blockers on cars when their parking's expired. It's called The Barnacle. You have to pay an exhorbitant fee for them to take it off, otherwise you can't see to drive. They're relentless about it too, very aggressive and in-your-face about paying the fees.

RTC's barnacles Wrote:
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> GMU 2022 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > OP=moron Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Park in the Best Buy parking lot and walk
> > across
> > > the street you dumb fuck.
> >
> >
> > They have a contracted undercover towing truck
> to
> > hook up cars and haul away to the junk yards.
>
> They have uniformed guys walking around now
> putting these huge suction cup windshield blockers
> on cars when their parking's expired. It's called
> The Barnacle. You have to pay an exhorbitant fee
> for them to take it off, otherwise you can't see
> to drive. They're relentless about it too, very
> aggressive and in-your-face about paying the fees.

Have you actually seen or had first hand experience with them attaching those things? It seems like they would be easy to remove with a flat piece of metal such as a hacksaw blade, or take a long piece of wire and work it down the windshield under the thing to break the suction. I'm almost tempted to go try it out, and throw the thing in my trunk and drive off with it.

>
> Have you actually seen or had first hand
> experience with them attaching those things? It
> seems like they would be easy to remove with a
> flat piece of metal such as a hacksaw blade, or
> take a long piece of wire and work it down the
> windshield under the thing to break the suction.
> I'm almost tempted to go try it out, and throw the
> thing in my trunk and drive off with it.


It is unlawful to tamper or remove parking enforcement equipment, and violations can result in fines and or imprisonment.

Parking Lot Hero Wrote:
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> >
> > Have you actually seen or had first hand
> > experience with them attaching those things?
> It
> > seems like they would be easy to remove with a
> > flat piece of metal such as a hacksaw blade, or
> > take a long piece of wire and work it down the
> > windshield under the thing to break the suction.
>
> > I'm almost tempted to go try it out, and throw
> the
> > thing in my trunk and drive off with it.
>
>
> It is unlawful to tamper or remove parking
> enforcement equipment, and violations can result
> in fines and or imprisonment.

The devices are all equipped with GPS. When deployed, the authority notes the license plate, make and model as well as the location of the vehicle. These devices are installed when someone has parked illegally.

The owner of the vehicle will be responsible for the charges associated with being given the code to release the device. If you either do not return the device to the authority as instructed or if you tamper with or remove the device without making a payment and receiving the release code, you will be charged additional fees.

The authority is very aware of which devices have been lawfully disengaged and returned and which have been tampered with. Again, you chose to violate parking rules, laws and regulations. Nobody forced you to park there.

Parking.Enforcement Wrote:
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> Parking Lot Hero Wrote:
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> -----
> > >
> > > Have you actually seen or had first hand
> > > experience with them attaching those things?
> > It
> > > seems like they would be easy to remove with
> a
> > > flat piece of metal such as a hacksaw blade,
> or
> > > take a long piece of wire and work it down
> the
> > > windshield under the thing to break the
> suction.
> >
> > > I'm almost tempted to go try it out, and
> throw
> > the
> > > thing in my trunk and drive off with it.
> >
> >
> > It is unlawful to tamper or remove parking
> > enforcement equipment, and violations can
> result
> > in fines and or imprisonment.
>
> The devices are all equipped with GPS. When
> deployed, the authority notes the license plate,
> make and model as well as the location of the
> vehicle. These devices are installed when someone
> has parked illegally.
>
> The owner of the vehicle will be responsible for
> the charges associated with being given the code
> to release the device. If you either do not return
> the device to the authority as instructed or if
> you tamper with or remove the device without
> making a payment and receiving the release code,
> you will be charged additional fees.
>
> The authority is very aware of which devices have
> been lawfully disengaged and returned and which
> have been tampered with. Again, you chose to
> violate parking rules, laws and regulations.
> Nobody forced you to park there.

What are they going to do? If they put something on my car, I own it. GPS won't help much once it leaves their property. I'm curious if they have a cellular phone transmitter though. It might be fun to disassemble one and find out what's inside.

If they ask nicely I might consider mailing it back to them after I'm done playing with it, at their expense of course.

I found it laying on my car.... Wrote:
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>GPS won't help much once it leaves their property.


Ya, that not how it works genius. But go ahead and carry out your master plan.

I'd like to see someone drive off with one and argue that once the device was installed on their vehicle, it became their property. It would make for an interesting case.

Furthermore if the parking garage is installing a device on a person's car with GPS tracking, did they consider United States v. Jones? In that case, the Supreme Court held that "the Government's installation of a GPS device on a target's vehicle, and its use of that device to monitor the vehicle's movements, constitutes a 'search'" under the Fourth Amendment. The Court concluded that the Government's installation of a GPS device onto the defendant's car was a trespass.

This could be interesting Wrote:
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> I'd like to see someone drive off with one and
> argue that once the device was installed on their
> vehicle, it became their property. It would make
> for an interesting case.
>
> Furthermore if the parking garage is installing a
> device on a person's car with GPS tracking, did
> they consider United States v. Jones? In that
> case, the Supreme Court held that "the
> Government's installation of a GPS device on a
> target's vehicle, and its use of that device to
> monitor the vehicle's movements, constitutes a
> 'search'" under the Fourth Amendment. The Court
> concluded that the Government's installation of a
> GPS device onto the defendant's car was a
> trespass.

Interesting thought. Note that US v Jones was *government*, so it will be at least somewhat different. RTC is private property, so I'm not sure they can trespass on your property on their property. Would be a VERY interesting case!

I use to go to the Reston Town Center twice week for the restaurants. I've stopped doing that and now I go to Lake Anne plaza, Plaza America or One Loudoun.

Depending on how much you owe - It may be cheaper to get a new windshield.

Wpdpm Wrote:
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> I use to go to the Reston Town Center twice week
> for the restaurants. I've stopped doing that and
> now I go to Lake Anne plaza, Plaza America or One
> Loudoun.


We are so happy that you got the message and have found a better place to go! Thank you so much!

The Asshole Parked Next To You Wrote:
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> Depending on how much you owe - It may be cheaper
> to get a new windshield.


Most insurance will replace windshield glass for free. I'm pretty sure I could get one of those things off without breaking it though.

After reading the state and county laws, I would feel most comfortable rolling down the window for visibility, driving to the exit, then removing and leaving the sucker thing there (making sure to take a picture documenting where I left it). You could throw it in your trunk if you want, but they would want it back.

http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title46.2/chapter12/section46.2-1232/
and
https://www.municode.com/library/va/fairfax_county/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=THCOCOFAVI1976_CH82MOVETR_ART5STSTPA_S82-5-32REIMDIVEUNPAPRCOPR

take it off and leave it there Wrote:
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> After reading the state and county laws, I would
> feel most comfortable rolling down the window for
> visibility, driving to the exit, then removing and
> leaving the sucker thing there (making sure to
> take a picture documenting where I left it). You
> could throw it in your trunk if you want, but they
> would want it back.
>
> http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title46.2/chapt
> er12/section46.2-1232/
> and
> https://www.municode.com/library/va/fairfax_county
> /codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=THCOCOFAVI1976_CH
> 82MOVETR_ART5STSTPA_S82-5-32REIMDIVEUNPAPRCOPR

Second link is pretty interesting. I'd bet large coin that all of the conditions are never or almost never met. But I also bet that the courts will shrug.

yep Wrote:
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> The Asshole Parked Next To You Wrote:
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> -----
> > Depending on how much you owe - It may be
> cheaper
> > to get a new windshield.
>
>
> Most insurance will replace windshield glass for
> free. I'm pretty sure I could get one of those
> things off without breaking it though.

it's hard to do though, the reston town center cops get all in your face and act threatening. i think earn make commission off thsee barnacles which ratchets up their aggressiveness, and they work in packs. they show up in numbers if you're parking is expired and barnacled.

People can throw around all the guesses they want.

Nobody can call it until they see what stores remain for the next holiday season.

I'm in information technology and I don't trust that parking system when it comes to some shithead immobilizing my car for $$$.


Just to stir shit up someone should crack the windshield under every barnacle - but now there's hundreds of cameras reading license plates and recording video.

ez-crack any window: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=automatic+center+punch cheap at Harbor Freight.

Greybeard Wrote:
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> take it off and leave it there Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > After reading the state and county laws, I
> would
> > feel most comfortable rolling down the window
> for
> > visibility, driving to the exit, then removing
> and
> > leaving the sucker thing there (making sure to
> > take a picture documenting where I left it).
> You
> > could throw it in your trunk if you want, but
> they
> > would want it back.
> >
> >
> http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title46.2/chapt
>
> > er12/section46.2-1232/
> > and
> >
> https://www.municode.com/library/va/fairfax_county
>
> >
> /codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=THCOCOFAVI1976_CH
>
> > 82MOVETR_ART5STSTPA_S82-5-32REIMDIVEUNPAPRCOPR
>
> Second link is pretty interesting. I'd bet large
> coin that all of the conditions are never or
> almost never met. But I also bet that the courts
> will shrug.

Perhaps initially, but if you have a decent lawyer the courts will eventually see logic.

severe enforcing Wrote:
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> yep Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Asshole Parked Next To You Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Depending on how much you owe - It may be
> > cheaper
> > > to get a new windshield.
> >
> >
> > Most insurance will replace windshield glass
> for
> > free. I'm pretty sure I could get one of those
> > things off without breaking it though.
>
> it's hard to do though, the reston town center
> cops get all in your face and act threatening. i
> think earn make commission off thsee barnacles
> which ratchets up their aggressiveness, and they
> work in packs. they show up in numbers if you're
> parking is expired and barnacled.

They are private security guards. They can't do shit, so let them get as aggressive as they want. In fact the more riled up they get the better. They have no right to stop you from driving away.

uN3tj Wrote:
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> They are private security guards. They can't do

They refer to each other as "Deputy" and "command squad leader", i thought maybe
they were sworn in law officers. Is that possible for private security? I don't think they have badges.

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chuckhoffmann Wrote:
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> deputies Wrote:
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> > uN3tj Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > They are private security guards. They can't
> > do
> >
> > They refer to each other as "Deputy" and
> "command
> > squad leader", i thought maybe
> > they were sworn in law officers. Is that
> > possible for private security? I don't think
> they
> > have badges.
>
> It depends on whether they're just security
> guards, registered armed security officers (ASO),
> special conservators of the peace (SCOP), or
> off-duty sworn law enforcement officer (LEO).
>
> ASOs have arrest powers. SCOPs have both arrest
> and pursuit powers. An off-duty LEO has the full
> buffet of police powers available to him.


I'm not sure if they carry badges and guns but they do carry bullhorns and some kind of walkie-talkie, and have a reputation for being unprofessional and overreacting.