Just wondering, does anyone know if the new Virginia driver's license has an RFID chip in it?

No, but I've seen them.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/15/2009 11:15AM by More Complete.

No smiling in your picture! It's against the rules!



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no the passports have the whti / rfid chip
these new drivers license just look cool

The RFID chip in the US passport can easily be disabled. ALl you need to do is wrap a ball peen hammer in a towel and quickly whack the passport one time. No more big brother chip!

My brother in-law said he disabled his by placing his passport in the microwave for 5 seconds. Once the sparks start flying, he shut off the microwave immediately in order to avoid telltale scorch marks.

Here'a comparison picture of old and new VA licenses
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I don't have as much of an issue with RFID in Passports since I'm overseas when I have my passport on me, I just wanted to know if VA decided to put the RFID chip in because I know they wanted to. Glad they didnt, one less Big Brother issue I have to worry about.

if an RFID chip and "big brother" are all you have to worry i would say that you were doing pretty well.

what it comes down to, is that despite the ACLU's frequent protesting and fear mongering over a national ID, RFID chips, and the REAL ID Act, is that these things are for the benefit of US Citizens.

Instead of having a true national ID, we have a bastardized national ID consisting of social security numbers, tax payer id numbers, and state drivers licenses (some of questionable value..specifically marylands which can be issued to basically anyone with a pulse). The ACLU and others protest against a national id and standardized ID's under the REAL ID act allows illegal immigrants to make citizenship claims and in get ids/passports to commit terrorist attacks with.

RFID chips are not big brother. The ones present in US passports can only be read at a distance of 0-4 inches and then only if the cover of the passport is opened beyond 35 degrees. what exactly are you scared of? your passport is only open if you are using it. Anything else anyone says about the RFID in the US passport is incorrect and simply does not have the facts.

RFID chips present currently the best way to protect our ids and passports from counterfeits. If you have a US Passport that is supposed to have an RFID and it does not scan you can pretty much count on being sent to secondary screening when trying to enter the country, especially if you are traveling from anywhere outside of western europe.

The RFID chip is about as threatening as a marshmallow. It's nothing more than a glorified barcode. It does not transmit by itself as it has no power source. An electromagnetic signal has to excite it for it to be able to transmit anything, and then its over an extremely small distance and a relatively small amount of information anyway.

If you privacy/big brother loons want to get paranoid about something, look into these companies and just how much information they collect on you that you can do nothing about:

http://www.ebureau.com/
http://www.choicepoint.com/
http://www.ingenix.com/Products/Payers/UnderwritingActuarial/UnderwritingActuarialSolutions/MedPointPrescriptionProfiling/
http://www.lexisnexis.com/
http://www.rxhistories.com/

etc...

But yeah, keep getting distracted with red herrings like RFID while the real big brother sells your information to anyone who asks.

No, there is NO RFID chip in the new VA licenses. But it is coming. Look up the REAL I.D. act. Did you know that it is now against the law to smile in your drivers license in VA?

Re: New VA driver's license question new
Posted by: bloody blisters ()
Date: September 15, 2009 02:59PM


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it started about 15 mins ago

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I hear that if you take some tin foil and make it into a hat, it will prevent your RFID chip from being used to track you by the HAARP satellites.

Enigma.

Echelon.

Chemtrails.

The tin foil protects you from all of the amazing government technology.

The tin foil hat still won't protect you from the communist kenyan, though.

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The function of conservatives is not to meet every liberal program or scheme with a denunciation or a destructive counterscheme, but rather to weigh its advantages and defects, supporting the first and challenging the second. A declaration of ideological warfare against liberalism is by its nature profoundly unconservative. It meets perceived radicalism with a counterradicalism of its own.

The 3 inch scan is a lie told by the government that has already been disproven by multiple sources, read the PC World magazine article on it or this http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2005/07/_defcon_rfid_world_record.html
they where able to read the chip in passports at up to 35 feet with high tech technology available to them. It is quite possible that the government has advanced tech that can read it at even farther distances.

The other things you have pointed out are problems also but RFID is not nearly as harmless as you make it seem, especially since they want to put it in people now also.

Forget RFID. Technology is advancing to the point where you can be identified without any chip inserted or carried. Facial, gate, retina, speech, and other identifiers will allow govt and business alike to ID you. At first, Best Buy won't know exactly who u are, but will be able to determine just by u entering the store that u are the guy who bought a netbook last week and will push related accessories on you. OncE Chipless ID is affordable and accurate, all your privacy rights are gone, baby gone.

eric5678798 Wrote:
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> if an RFID chip and "big brother" are all you have
> to worry i would say that you were doing pretty
> well.
>
> what it comes down to, is that despite the ACLU's
> frequent protesting and fear mongering over a
> national ID, RFID chips, and the REAL ID Act, is
> that these things are for the benefit of US
> Citizens.
>
> Instead of having a true national ID, we have a
> bastardized national ID consisting of social
> security numbers, tax payer id numbers, and state
> drivers licenses (some of questionable
> value..specifically marylands which can be issued
> to basically anyone with a pulse). The ACLU and
> others protest against a national id and
> standardized ID's under the REAL ID act allows
> illegal immigrants to make citizenship claims and
> in get ids/passports to commit terrorist attacks
> with.
>
> RFID chips are not big brother. The ones present
> in US passports can only be read at a distance of
> 0-4 inches and then only if the cover of the
> passport is opened beyond 35 degrees. what exactly
> are you scared of? your passport is only open if
> you are using it. Anything else anyone says about
> the RFID in the US passport is incorrect and
> simply does not have the facts.
>
> RFID chips present currently the best way to
> protect our ids and passports from counterfeits.
> If you have a US Passport that is supposed to have
> an RFID and it does not scan you can pretty much
> count on being sent to secondary screening when
> trying to enter the country, especially if you are
> traveling from anywhere outside of western europe.

RFID does = Big brother..read ''Spy chips'' and ''np place to hide''

eric5678798 Wrote:
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> if an RFID chip and "big brother" are all you have
> to worry i would say that you were doing pretty
> well.
>
> what it comes down to, is that despite the ACLU's
> frequent protesting and fear mongering over a
> national ID, RFID chips, and the REAL ID Act, is
> that these things are for the benefit of US
> Citizens.
>
> Instead of having a true national ID, we have a
> bastardized national ID consisting of social
> security numbers, tax payer id numbers, and state
> drivers licenses (some of questionable
> value..specifically marylands which can be issued
> to basically anyone with a pulse). The ACLU and
> others protest against a national id and
> standardized ID's under the REAL ID act allows
> illegal immigrants to make citizenship claims and
> in get ids/passports to commit terrorist attacks
> with.
>
> RFID chips are not big brother. The ones present
> in US passports can only be read at a distance of
> 0-4 inches and then only if the cover of the
> passport is opened beyond 35 degrees. what exactly
> are you scared of? your passport is only open if
> you are using it. Anything else anyone says about
> the RFID in the US passport is incorrect and
> simply does not have the facts.
>
> RFID chips present currently the best way to
> protect our ids and passports from counterfeits.
> If you have a US Passport that is supposed to have
> an RFID and it does not scan you can pretty much
> count on being sent to secondary screening when
> trying to enter the country, especially if you are
> traveling from anywhere outside of western europe.


If you don't think that someone can simply pick up and hijack your information from an RFID, then you're not quite realizing the extent of technology that exists today.

As for the new VA licenses, what a dumb move with the Black and White style. It's nothing more than a way to "Save Money", and it has NOTHING to do with forgery prevention.

The "No Smile" policy as well, forget that, just smile anyways if you want.

Thurston Moore Wrote:
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> I hear that if you take some tin foil and make it
> into a hat, it will prevent your RFID chip from
> being used to track you by the HAARP satellites.
>
> Enigma.
>
> Echelon.
>
> Chemtrails.
>
> The tin foil protects you from all of the amazing
> government technology.
>
> The tin foil hat still won't protect you from the
> communist kenyan, though.


Lol, but HAARP isn't a SAT system though. More like the NRO's Corona (Optical). I guess tin foil can blind Optics though.

ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> Thurston Moore Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I hear that if you take some tin foil and make
> it
> > into a hat, it will prevent your RFID chip from
> > being used to track you by the HAARP
> satellites.
> >
> > Enigma.
> >
> > Echelon.
> >
> > Chemtrails.
> >
> > The tin foil protects you from all of the
> amazing
> > government technology.
> >
> > The tin foil hat still won't protect you from
> the
> > communist kenyan, though.
>
>
> Lol, but HAARP isn't a SAT system though. More
> like the NRO's Corona (Optical). I guess tin foil
> can blind Optics though.


Yeah, I know that HAARP is an antenna array in Alaska that focuses high frequency radio waves onto the ionosphere for expiremental purposes.

but the chemtrail and birther death panel folks don't know that.

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ABD Wrote:
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> I don't have as much of an issue with RFID in
> Passports since I'm overseas when I have my
> passport on me, I just wanted to know if VA
> decided to put the RFID chip in because I know
> they wanted to. Glad they didnt, one less Big
> Brother issue I have to worry about.


The chip in a VA license does nothing to protect US citizens; adding a chip would be a waste of tax dollars. The debate still continues as to whether a drivers license should even be considered a valid form of ID.

DMV has been called out for being less than diligent when verifying applicants, and there have been a few arrests of DMV employees providing "special handling services" to people who wouldn't otherwise be eligible for a license.

ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> If you don't think that someone can simply pick up
> and hijack your information from an RFID, then
> you're not quite realizing the extent of
> technology that exists today.

i've looked into how the technology is being used currently and found that the data is encrypted and the key to decrypt it has to be entered manually. i recall the passports that could be read from 30 feet away and they cracked the encryption or something. RFID is good idea in theory anyway.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

I'm just looking for any updates, since I have to renew my License by late January 2010. Has anyone managed a smile on these new licenses? I'm a little irritated over the idea of having to make my new license look like some POS Mugshot.

Also, I just received my letter from the DMV, and their new method is retarded. They make you come in to renew the license, then you leave with some stupid Temp. Permit, and they mail the DL to you. What a waste of money. On top of that, the new license system will cost roughly $7 Million Dollars a year, whereas the most recent and outgoing system cost roughly $2 Million Dollars a year.

They also say: "No Facial Distortions", and they include "Open Mouth" as a "Distortion Method". They say it's to allow the Facial Recognition software to accurately recognize you, yet 31 other states have similar software, but VA is one of only a few that has this ridiculous policy.

Why do our tax dollars go to crap like this? 80% of the DMV should be abolished.

Okay now I know VA is full of a bunch of dumb$#!?$ because your teeth are a very good way to cross identify a person visually from a picture. and if someone gives you this advantage why not take it? So I guess this stupid rule will give the cops one less tool they can use to visually positively I'd someone when handed a drivers licence. Well I think the new card is BLAND and ugly. Also who said RFID is benneficial... Heck that's the new wave of identity theft waiting to be implemented. Gets rid of all the boring and pesky printed stuff like social security cards, passports ect ect. Just wait... They can't stop the I'd criminals now, and they won't be able to stop it then when they simplify the procedures for imposterizing someone. Also where the heck are those dang GLORYHOLES here in Fairfax?

What about SMIRKS? Or is no smirking allowed also?

ABD Wrote:
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> The 3 inch scan is a lie told by the government
> that has already been disproven by multiple
> sources, read the PC World magazine article on it
> or this
> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2005/07/_defcon_r
> fid_world_record.html
> they where able to read the chip in passports at
> up to 35 feet with high tech technology available
> to them. It is quite possible that the government
> has advanced tech that can read it at even farther
> distances.
>
> The other things you have pointed out are problems
> also but RFID is not nearly as harmless as you
> make it seem, especially since they want to put it
> in people now also.


It's true!

I was forcibly chipped by the feds using the patriot act.

They told me it was because of my youtube postings of chemtrails and my documentary that proves the moon landing never took place.

They can track me anywhere I go, and I even set off shoplifting alarms!

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The function of conservatives is not to meet every liberal program or scheme with a denunciation or a destructive counterscheme, but rather to weigh its advantages and defects, supporting the first and challenging the second. A declaration of ideological warfare against liberalism is by its nature profoundly unconservative. It meets perceived radicalism with a counterradicalism of its own.

I told UNCLE SAM to insert mine in my rectum. He happily obliged. Now when I fart..... I set off car alarms!

RayJay Wrote:
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> I told UNCLE SAM to insert mine in my rectum. He
> happily obliged. Now when I fart..... I set off
> car alarms!


I burped the other day, and 3 F-16s flew over my car a few minutes later.

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The function of conservatives is not to meet every liberal program or scheme with a denunciation or a destructive counterscheme, but rather to weigh its advantages and defects, supporting the first and challenging the second. A declaration of ideological warfare against liberalism is by its nature profoundly unconservative. It meets perceived radicalism with a counterradicalism of its own.

i would advise you to check your facts. rfid frequencies can be detected at longer ranges that several inches! see http://simplyrfid.typepad.com/simplyrfid1/2008/07/read-range-how-far-can-we-track-you-with-passive-rfid.html

Blatant bullshit is just as disruptive to society as fear mongering

What about the small electronic strip underlining Virginia and hanging in the hook of the letter "g"?

Start at 57 seconds in.





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