Tragic.

The shooter was a licensed security guard, and the firearms were purchased legally, so the question is what law could/would have prevented this horrible massacre?

Her we go again..... Wrote:
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> Tragic.
>
> The shooter was a licensed security guard, and the
> firearms were purchased legally, so the question
> is what law could/would have prevented this
> horrible massacre?

A No More Muslims Law. Vote Trump !

a ban on assault rifles would help. He outgunned the cop/cops from the start. The killing was easy after that. Hunting rifles and 6 round mags should be the limit. melt everything else like the Aussies did. It will work.

Clearly the Ten Commandments didn't. Nor did the open carry law.

More intense investigation of suspected Muztards and less political correctness. There are reports the killer was on watch lists and.had been under some surviellance.

An anti-ISIS law

This thought is way out in left field.

What if the shooter was gay, and could not deal with his desires, and decided to shoot up the club?

Lib heads are spinning over this one!
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e4j6v Wrote:
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> a ban on assault rifles would help. He outgunned
> the cop/cops from the start. The killing was easy
> after that. Hunting rifles and 6 round mags
> should be the limit. melt everything else like
> the Aussies did. It will work.

Did he have an actual assault rifle? Full auto capability? Or was it just what libs see as a scary black gun?

e4j6v Wrote:
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> a ban on assault rifles would help. He outgunned
> the cop/cops from the start. The killing was easy
> after that. Hunting rifles and 6 round mags
> should be the limit. melt everything else like
> the Aussies did. It will work.


Yeah, just like in Paris...

If Obama had been there he would have talked and reasoned with the assailant. He would have sat down, had a beer with him and enlightened him about alternative lifestyles. They would have hugged. The subject would have handed over his guns/ammo and this whole thing would have been prevented.

4 More Years of the Same old Liberal Democrat P.C Bullshit..or Real Change.

This is a tragedy.What happened in Orlando. Hundreds thousands will be affected. Those who died are gone, and The wounded and those that saw this , the police and firefighters who responded, the families and friends of those affected will hurt for life in many cases.

This was a hate crime and a Terrorist Attack, the cause RADICAL ISLAM

We know that the great majority of Muslim people in America 99 % at least are loving people, They came to America to escape the violence that's occurring in their countries, They want to live and raise their children like all people the world over do.. In Peace..

Now The World awaits Obama and Hillary and all the other Democrat Shills, to hear their carefully constructed statements, each and every word analyzed to insure that it fits and is Completely P.C. in every way.

Ever Word of the Same Old Shit.. Gun Controls.. And Not a word on Radical ISLAM. Not a word at closing the border where Illegals and Now Others pour thur each day in hopes of More and More Democrat Voters..

Europe is a Armed fortress, Police in airports and other places toting sub machine guns.. While they have such Strict Gun Controls that a law abiding citizen cant smell a gun.. But Black Markets exist all over the world. And that's where the Bataclan Killers got their weapons.

Every day in the USA 50 blacks kill themselves as they duel for control of DRUGS. An Illegal Product brought in by the Black Market.. they cant keep out of America.

And in California a Appeals Court rules No Legal Right to a concealed firearm.. More stupidity..MOre abuse of the Bill Of rights, Like Gun Free Zones.. that are False Hope zones where Killers have the upper hand.

In Florida, law abiding private citizens may obtain CCW permits. Laws do restrict guns in places where alcohol is served.. In a restaurant that sells food and drinks a person with a CCW who does not consume alcohol is no Danger to anyone.. In a club where all kinds of people are doped up or drunk that's a different story.. Unless the person carrying is sober and sadly no one there could stop the killer. And Hopefully this will change as law abiding sober people realize that P.C. Liberal Democrats laws are not working to keep anyone safe.

DAJAX
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And that's all The Real Truth!

DAJAX

It was not an assault rifle. It was an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle and did not have full auto capablity.

The shit head liberals who want to take away the second amendment should at least ry and figure out what they are talking about. An AR-15 looks menacing and causus the humidity in Hillary Clinton's panties to rise considerably, but they are not assault weapons.

An experienced shooter with a .22 could have done as much damage in almost the same amount of time, even with a much smaller magazine.

Take away 2nd Amendment rights? Maybe the next president will decide the 1st Amendment is "too dangerous" and that goes. How about the 4th Amendment which has been stretched and contorted to allow abortion rights. Go ahead - take away 2nd Amendment rights. You're just writing the blue print for taking away everything else.

As People realize that it will be another 4 years of the SAME OLD SHIT alright.

From Off Topic To Here Wrote:
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> 4 More Years of the Same old Liberal Democrat P.C
> Bullshit..or Real Change.
>
> This is a tragedy.What happened in Orlando.
> Hundreds thousands will be affected. Those who
> died are gone, and The wounded and those that saw
> this , the police and firefighters who responded,
> the families and friends of those affected will
> hurt for life in many cases.
>
> This was a hate crime and a Terrorist Attack, the
> cause RADICAL ISLAM
>
> We know that the great majority of Muslim people
> in America 99 % at least are loving people, They
> came to America to escape the violence that's
> occurring in their countries, They want to live
> and raise their children like all people the world
> over do.. In Peace..
>
> Now The World awaits Obama and Hillary and all
> the other Democrat Shills, to hear their carefully
> constructed statements, each and every word
> analyzed to insure that it fits and is Completely
> P.C. in every way.
>
> Ever Word of the Same Old Shit.. Gun Controls..
> And Not a word on Radical ISLAM. Not a word at
> closing the border where Illegals and Now Others
> pour thur each day in hopes of More and More
> Democrat Voters..
>
> Europe is a Armed fortress, Police in airports
> and other places toting sub machine guns.. While
> they have such Strict Gun Controls that a law
> abiding citizen cant smell a gun.. But Black
> Markets exist all over the world. And that's where
> the Bataclan Killers got their weapons.
>
> Every day in the USA 50 blacks kill themselves as
> they duel for control of DRUGS. An Illegal Product
> brought in by the Black Market.. they cant keep
> out of America.
>
> And in California a Appeals Court rules No Legal
> Right to a concealed firearm.. More
> stupidity..MOre abuse of the Bill Of rights, Like
> Gun Free Zones.. that are False Hope zones where
> Killers have the upper hand.
>
> In Florida, law abiding private citizens may
> obtain CCW permits. Laws do restrict guns in
> places where alcohol is served.. In a restaurant
> that sells food and drinks a person with a CCW who
> does not consume alcohol is no Danger to anyone..
> In a club where all kinds of people are doped up
> or drunk that's a different story.. Unless the
> person carrying is sober and sadly no one there
> could stop the killer. And Hopefully this will
> change as law abiding sober people realize that
> P.C. Liberal Democrats laws are not working to
> keep anyone safe.
>
> DAJAX
> --------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------
> And that's all The Real Truth!
>
> DAJAX

+100 Well said.

Guns are obviously a problem, but let's not turn this into a debate about firearms. This was a terror attack, this was motivated by a virulent hateful ideology. That's the root cause, not AR15s.

The attack occurred in a gun-free zone. We need "double gun free" zones. And if that does not work, triple gun free zones. At some point the killers will respect the gun free zone!

We need to stop people from getting guns because if they don't have guns they won't use bombs, machetes, trucks, or anything else that could help them achieve their ends. Everyone knows that it's only guns that are dangerous.

WHERE HE GOT THE GUNS FROM!...

DAJAX
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splindiggydah Wrote:
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> Guns are obviously a problem, but let's not turn
> this into a debate about firearms. This was a
> terror attack, this was motivated by a virulent
> hateful ideology. That's the root cause, not
> AR15s.


Read about the Happy Land Social Club in the Bronx.

The shooter is a registered Democrat in Florida. Obviously, we need to keep guns from Democrats.

Wait for the call for MORE LAWS. The anti-gun laws in Chicago have worked really well. Sanders is already out saying automatic weapons should have been banned years ago - which is just as idiotic as some of the posters here that also don't realize that weapon was not fully automatic.

The other thing the libs will do is double down on the ass kissing of the muzzies. Hillary's public thoery about all this is that because a Republican or two has said mean things that the muzzies murder us. In her view, we are simply not kissing enough muzzi ass.

> Now The World awaits Obama and Hillary and all
> the other Democrat Shills, to hear their carefully
> constructed statements, each and every word
> analyzed to insure that it fits and is Completely
> P.C. in every way.

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He got the Word already^^ From FXU..

His Speech is Delayed..because His Speech Freaks are sitting in puddles of sweat. Rewriting over and over what hes gojng to tell the people from the Tele Prompter. And that putter is waiting...too.

DAJAX

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> e4j6v Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > a ban on assault rifles would help. He
> outgunned
> > the cop/cops from the start. The killing was
> easy
> > after that. Hunting rifles and 6 round mags
> > should be the limit. melt everything else like
> > the Aussies did. It will work.
>
> Did he have an actual assault rifle? Full auto
> capability? Or was it just what libs see as a
> scary black gun?

Did he have 6 round mags?

I doubt it, probably had an AR with all sorts of tactical stuff and multiple 30+ round mags.


A .22 with a smaller mag with not have done 1/4 the killing

@common sense laws now:


The problem isn't the weapon, it's ISIL. Gun control won't stop ISIL, and we have empirical evidence proving such. It's called Paris. Paris has strict gun control, and still ISIL was able to strike.

Moreover, because the Orlando club was a "gun free zone", all the victims were helpless to stop the slaughter. Just like in Paris.

Fuck Islam.

Oh please! Wrote:
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> @common sense laws now:
>
>
> The problem isn't the weapon, it's ISIL. Gun
> control won't stop ISIL, and we have empirical
> evidence proving such. It's called Paris. Paris
> has strict gun control, and still ISIL was able to
> strike.
>
> Moreover, because the Orlando club was a "gun free
> zone", all the victims were helpless to stop the
> slaughter. Just like in Paris.

Gun control won't stop niggers either. But that's cool, becuase niggers just kill niggers and nobody (even democrats) cares about dead niggers. But now a muzzie has killed 50 fags. The liberals brains just exploded.

Omar is a registered Democrat :'''''D

Oh please! Wrote:
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> @common sense laws now:
>
>
> The problem isn't the weapon, it's ISIL. Gun
> control won't stop ISIL, and we have empirical
> evidence proving such. It's called Paris. Paris
> has strict gun control, and still ISIL was able to
> strike.
>
> Moreover, because the Orlando club was a "gun free
> zone", all the victims were helpless to stop the
> slaughter. Just like in Paris.




Anders Breivik killed a lot of people in Norway, I guess Norways gun laws are worthless too.

I know, let's bring in more Muslims!
Cause there's no increase in crime when that happens... right, Germany?

@common sense laws, are you arguing that "common sense gun laws" would have stopped this tragedy (which is demonstrably false, given Paris), or are you arguing that 90 million law abiding gun owners should be punished because our fatally flawed immigration policy lets lunatics into this nation?

Your facts are cherry picked. Look at the CDC numbers more; guns are far from the leading cause of death. I suppose cherry-picking facts is what someone does when they are pushing a failed policy?

Finally, are you at all familiar with the concept of substitution? If ISIL wants to kill someone and doesn't have a gun, they will use something else. Your proposed solution won't solve today's problem.

>
> A .22 with a smaller mag with not have done 1/4
> the killing

You have no idea what you are talking about.

For the table above regarding gun deaths/terror deaths....pull out the ones committed in cities/states (Chicago/Baltimore/DC) with "tough" gun laws and repost the table. I bet it looks a LOT different.

It's a tragedy. The FBI had him. How many people do you know that have been interviewed not once, but TWICE by the FBI? He was a bad guy and they botched it.

LYVGn Wrote:

> It's a tragedy. The FBI had him. How many people
> do you know that have been interviewed not once,
> but TWICE by the FBI? He was a bad guy and they
> botched it.


We Americans have Civil Rights, and the FBI along with all other law enforcement agencies are compelled to NOT violate those rights.

The club in Orlando was a "Soft Target", and this is exactly what ISIS try to exploit. The club is in a "Gun Free Zone" so there was little chance the shooter would be stopped until he/she had shot many people.

The FBI didn't "Botch It", they observed the shooters Civil Rights, and had he survived,he would still be protected by his rights - Including Miranda.

Don't blame the FBI. They do what they are allowed to do. They only investigate. Department of justice prosecutes. prosecutes. It would appear that theFBI did their part. Justice department was probably too busy justifying Hilary's email breaches. After all, if enough people commit a crime, it's no longer a crime.

Sgt. Friday Wrote:
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>
> We Americans have Civil Rights, and the FBI along
> with all other law enforcement agencies are
> compelled to NOT violate those rights.
>
> The club in Orlando was a "Soft Target", and this
> is exactly what ISIS try to exploit. The club is
> in a "Gun Free Zone" so there was little chance
> the shooter would be stopped until he/she had shot
> many people.
>
> The FBI didn't "Botch It", they observed the
> shooters Civil Rights, and had he survived,he
> would still be protected by his rights - Including
> Miranda.


Why did the guy even waste his time with firearms? Didn't he have a loaded vest on too? He could have activated that early on and sadly, the death count would have been much, much higher. #BanC4

>It's a tragedy. The FBI had him. How many people do you know that have been interviewed not once, but TWICE by the FBI? He was a bad guy and they botched it.

Democrats don't like hearing this..its Not P.C... Conservatives don't like hearing how the FBI has Hillary too, and there not doing anything with her either..

common sense laws Wrote:
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> Oh please! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > @common sense laws now:
> >
> >
> > The problem isn't the weapon, it's ISIL. Gun
> > control won't stop ISIL, and we have empirical
> > evidence proving such. It's called Paris. Paris
> > has strict gun control, and still ISIL was able
> to
> > strike.
> >
> > Moreover, because the Orlando club was a "gun
> free
> > zone", all the victims were helpless to stop
> the
> > slaughter. Just like in Paris.
>
>
> src="http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/hom
> ocides_g8_countries_640x360_wmain.jpg"/>
>
> Anders Breivik killed a lot of people in Norway, I
> guess Norways gun laws are worthless too.
>
>
> src="http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/2015/me
> dia/211580/_original/1443814307/1035x1479-GUN-CONT
> ROL_v1.png"/>

Interesting graph stating that there is no data for Russia. A quick Google search shows that Russia has a rate of 9.5 in 2013. Not really an honest look at the real numbers. Don't let facts get in the way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

The idiocy of liberals has no bounds. They are bringing the islamist plague here, and as we all know, will be the first victims of their beloved terrorists. Fuck liberals!

Sgt. Friday Wrote:
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> We Americans have Civil Rights, and the FBI along
> with all other law enforcement agencies are
> compelled to NOT violate those rights.


We sure do. Funny, seems like Feds/LE in general spend a lot of time trying to circumvent "my" Civil Rights (i.e., law abiding citizen), meanwhile some fucking cocksucker they have had in custody TWICE for interviews because of his association with known terrorists and workplace threats goes out, buys a pistol/rifle and week later shoots up a disco. They need to worry less about me, and more about that guy.

Ban assault weapons. Period. The Constitution was meant for people to bare the right to a gun. Not an assault weapon. A pistol will not result in a massacre. It is ridiculous that we allow anyone to purchase machine guns. Especially those who have been interviewed by the FBI 3 times.

Ban assault weapons Wrote:
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> Ban assault weapons. Period. The Constitution was
> meant for people to bare the right to a gun. Not
> an assault weapon. A pistol will not result in a
> massacre. It is ridiculous that we allow anyone
> to purchase machine guns. Especially those who
> have been interviewed by the FBI 3 times.

Seung-Hui Cho would like a word with you. I bet he's pissed that his high score got topped.

With that being said, I bought another Glock 19 today & two 33-round magazines so I can dual-wield the muzzies off of me now.

e4j6v Wrote:
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> a ban on assault rifles would help. He outgunned
> the cop/cops from the start. The killing was easy
> after that. Hunting rifles and 6 round mags
> should be the limit. melt everything else like
> the Aussies did. It will work.

+1

Ban assault rifles. Nobody hunts with assault rifles.

But..Your Stupid.. the 2nd has nothing to do with hunting. The founders allowed the People to own Cannon.. the Most Powerfull weapons of War that existed on the Planet in their day..You want to remove the 2nd.. go For it..Amend the Constitution..

>Ban assault weapons. Period. The Constitution was
> meant for people to bare the right to a gun. Not
> an assault weapon.

Read about Cannon above and then STFU as you don't know Jack Shit about the subject..Parrot..

DAJAX

Ahemmmm Wrote:
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> Ban assault weapons Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ban assault weapons. Period. The Constitution
> was
> > meant for people to bare the right to a gun.
> Not
> > an assault weapon. A pistol will not result in
> a
> > massacre. It is ridiculous that we allow
> anyone
> > to purchase machine guns. Especially those who
> > have been interviewed by the FBI 3 times.
>
> Seung-Hui Cho would like a word with you. I bet
> he's pissed that his high score got topped.
>
> With that being said, I bought another Glock 19
> today & two 33-round magazines so I can dual-wield
> the muzzies off of me now.


No one should need more than a 9 round mag, ban anything larger.

Only a paranoid freak would need a 33 round mag for their hand gun.

Ban assault weapons Wrote:
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> Ban assault weapons. Period. The Constitution was
> meant for people to bare the right to a gun. Not
> an assault weapon. A pistol will not result in a
> massacre. It is ridiculous that we allow anyone
> to purchase machine guns. Especially those who
> have been interviewed by the FBI 3 times.


Handguns kill far, far more, they shoot just as fast and have the same capacity, are easier to conceal, and are responsible for more mass shootings. "Assault weapons" aren't really assault weapons nor are they machine guns nor do they have any real advantage over a handgun at closer range where such events happen.

And, yes, actually it was. We just finished breaking away from a tyrannical government. They didn't want another.

And it's bear arms not "bare."

Maybe a law that liberals shouldn't allow their own beloved gay people to be sitting ducks. Islam is here and out to get them. They should have been armed. Had this happened in a hip-hop or redneck bar, the dead would be 5 at the most.50 dead victims of their own rhetoric. They only had the defense of their cellphones to call 911, how many got shot waiting for the police to come?

limit mag capacity Wrote:
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> Ahemmmm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ban assault weapons Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Ban assault weapons. Period. The Constitution
> > was
> > > meant for people to bare the right to a gun.
> > Not
> > > an assault weapon. A pistol will not result
> in
> > a
> > > massacre. It is ridiculous that we allow
> > anyone
> > > to purchase machine guns. Especially those
> who
> > > have been interviewed by the FBI 3 times.
> >
> > Seung-Hui Cho would like a word with you. I
> bet
> > he's pissed that his high score got topped.
> >
> > With that being said, I bought another Glock 19
> > today & two 33-round magazines so I can
> dual-wield
> > the muzzies off of me now.
>
>
> No one should need more than a 9 round mag, ban
> anything larger.
>
> Only a paranoid freak would need a 33 round mag
> for their hand gun.


You know that you can buy more than one right?

And actually that's the more reliable way to go in a tactical/assault situation. With a single 30-round magazine, one jam or other malfunction and all of your ammo is done. You're much better off with 3. You just drop and swap it in < 2 seconds and keep rolling.

limit mag capacity Wrote:
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> Ahemmmm Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------
> > Ban assault weapons Wrote:
> >------------------------------------------------
> > > Ban assault weapons. Period. The Constitution was
> > > meant for people to bare the right to a gun. Not
> > > an assault weapon. A pistol will not result in a
> > > massacre. It is ridiculous that we allow anyone
> > > to purchase machine guns. Especially those who
> > > have been interviewed by the FBI 3 times.
> >
> > Seung-Hui Cho would like a word with you. I bet
> > he's pissed that his high score got topped.
> >
> > With that being said, I bought another Glock 19
> > today & two 33-round magazines so I can dual-wield
> > the muzzies off of me now.
>
>
> No one should need more than a 9 round mag, ban
> anything larger.
>
> Only a paranoid freak would need a 33 round mag
> for their hand gun.

There are likely BILLIONS of high capacity magazines in closets, nightstands, garages, and gun safes all over this country. Whatcha gonna do about it?

Only a libcucked faggot would be concerned with how another man spends his money. My advice for you? Avoid rooftops.

hJVdP Wrote:
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> Ban assault weapons Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ban assault weapons. Period. The Constitution
> was
> > meant for people to bare the right to a gun.
> Not
> > an assault weapon. A pistol will not result in
> a
> > massacre. It is ridiculous that we allow
> anyone
> > to purchase machine guns. Especially those who
> > have been interviewed by the FBI 3 times.
>
>
> Handguns kill far, far more, they shoot just as
> fast and have the same capacity, are easier to
> conceal, and are responsible for more mass
> shootings. "Assault weapons" aren't really
> assault weapons nor are they machine guns nor do
> they have any real advantage over a handgun at
> closer range where such events happen.
>
> And, yes, actually it was. We just finished
> breaking away from a tyrannical government. They
> didn't want another.
>
> And it's bear arms not "bare."


When you're shooting at cops 50 - 100+ yards out, and have a .223 round leaving a longer AR barrel, it will be much more effective than a 9mm coming out of a small handgun

>It is ridiculous that we allow anyone to purchase machine guns

"Machine Guns" you would not know a machine gun from a pistol made out of Soap.or wood Parrot.. Just Ask The Ghost of John Dillinger..about the Crown Point Jail..

FYI Gun Grabbing Creeps..and parrots.. Virginia has the most legally registered Machine Guns the real thing in the USA . Their called Class 3 firearms and have been regulated by the Federal Govt since 1934 and the only ones ever used in a crime?? Stolen from police who had them in their personal collection. They can not be carried around with ammo in them in Va. Only empty.The ammo must be kept separate..if they going to a range to shoot them.. No Hunting either ..allowed..with Full Auto Firearms..Class 3 .. Got It..

Your Ignorance would be Hillery..s.. If it was not for the fact your talking about a Right of the People as spelled out in the Bill Of Rights.. Ever Studied that Parrot??

Ahemmmm Wrote:
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> limit mag capacity Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -
> > Ahemmmm Wrote:
> >
> -------------------------------------------------
> > > Ban assault weapons Wrote:
> >
> >------------------------------------------------
> > > > Ban assault weapons. Period. The
> Constitution was
> > > > meant for people to bare the right to a gun.
> Not
> > > > an assault weapon. A pistol will not result
> in a
> > > > massacre. It is ridiculous that we allow
> anyone
> > > > to purchase machine guns. Especially those
> who
> > > > have been interviewed by the FBI 3 times.
> > >
> > > Seung-Hui Cho would like a word with you. I
> bet
> > > he's pissed that his high score got topped.
> > >
> > > With that being said, I bought another Glock
> 19
> > > today & two 33-round magazines so I can
> dual-wield
> > > the muzzies off of me now.
> >
> >
> > No one should need more than a 9 round mag, ban
> > anything larger.
> >
> > Only a paranoid freak would need a 33 round mag
> > for their hand gun.
>
> There are likely BILLIONS of high capacity
> magazines in closets, nightstands, garages, and
> gun safes all over this country. Whatcha gonna do
> about it?
>
> Only a libcucked faggot would be concerned with
> how another man spends his money. My advice for
> you? Avoid rooftops.

Ban the sales of new ones and make the sales of used ones illegal. Better to start late then never.

19 ragheads brought down the Twin Towers with box cutters and airplanes. Boston got bombed with a goddamn pressure cooker. And you think guns are the problem? What the fuck is wrong with you?

shoot off Wrote:
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> hJVdP Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ban assault weapons Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Ban assault weapons. Period. The Constitution
> > was
> > > meant for people to bare the right to a gun.
> > Not
> > > an assault weapon. A pistol will not result
> in
> > a
> > > massacre. It is ridiculous that we allow
> > anyone
> > > to purchase machine guns. Especially those
> who
> > > have been interviewed by the FBI 3 times.
> >
> >
> > Handguns kill far, far more, they shoot just as
> > fast and have the same capacity, are easier to
> > conceal, and are responsible for more mass
> > shootings. "Assault weapons" aren't really
> > assault weapons nor are they machine guns nor
> do
> > they have any real advantage over a handgun at
> > closer range where such events happen.
> >
> > And, yes, actually it was. We just finished
> > breaking away from a tyrannical government.
> They
> > didn't want another.
> >
> > And it's bear arms not "bare."
>
>
> When you're shooting at cops 50 - 100+ yards out,
> and have a .223 round leaving a longer AR barrel,
> it will be much more effective than a 9mm coming
> out of a small handgun


I guess you missed that "at closer range where such events happen" part huh?

When was the last time that someone got into a "mass shoot-out" with cops?

Never. That's not where or what happens in these cases.

limit mag capacity Wrote:
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> Ahemmmm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > limit mag capacity Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -
> > > Ahemmmm Wrote:
> > >
> >
> -------------------------------------------------
> > > > Ban assault weapons Wrote:
> > >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Ban assault weapons. Period. The
> > Constitution was
> > > > > meant for people to bare the right to a
> gun.
> > Not
> > > > > an assault weapon. A pistol will not
> result
> > in a
> > > > > massacre. It is ridiculous that we allow
> > anyone
> > > > > to purchase machine guns. Especially
> those
> > who
> > > > > have been interviewed by the FBI 3 times.
> > > >
> > > > Seung-Hui Cho would like a word with you.
> I
> > bet
> > > > he's pissed that his high score got topped.
> > > >
> > > > With that being said, I bought another
> Glock
> > 19
> > > > today & two 33-round magazines so I can
> > dual-wield
> > > > the muzzies off of me now.
> > >
> > >
> > > No one should need more than a 9 round mag,
> ban
> > > anything larger.
> > >
> > > Only a paranoid freak would need a 33 round
> mag
> > > for their hand gun.
> >
> > There are likely BILLIONS of high capacity
> > magazines in closets, nightstands, garages, and
> > gun safes all over this country. Whatcha gonna
> do
> > about it?
> >
> > Only a libcucked faggot would be concerned with
> > how another man spends his money. My advice
> for
> > you? Avoid rooftops.
>
> Ban the sales of new ones and make the sales of
> used ones illegal. Better to start late then
> never.


We already did that once. It did nothing.

Just wait until 3-D printing advances far enough to where people can create whatever firearm, magazine, or attachment they can dream up. What a time to be alive!

I'm so thankful that my roughneck grandpa encouraged me to catch the bug early by kneeling behind me and helping me hold a six-shooter while I used three fingers to pull the trigger to blast away at a stump when I was a kindergartener. I'm sorry your family didn't love you enough to do the same for you.

My god this site is full of redneck assholes. I grew up in the country where ignorance was all around me but NEVER have I seen such ignorance or racism as I do on this site. It is a fucking shame and I can only assume the majority of you low life's commenting are men who are extremely lonely in life and consider this site to be your "friend" . You either don't have a wife or your wife fucking hates you. Or as most women she is oblivious to the actual asshole she has married. Guaranteed if she caught you writing what you do, you'd be off this site in two seconds.... Let's be real you all are a bunch of pussys who most likely don't even own a gun bc your wife won't allow it.

Arrg!!
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> > hJVdP Wrote:
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> > -----
> > > Ban assault weapons Wrote:
> > >
> >
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> >
> > > -----
> > > > Ban assault weapons. Period. The
> Constitution
> > > was
> > > > meant for people to bare the right to a gun.
>
> > > Not
> > > > an assault weapon. A pistol will not
> result
> > in
> > > a
> > > > massacre. It is ridiculous that we allow
> > > anyone
> > > > to purchase machine guns. Especially those
> > who
> > > > have been interviewed by the FBI 3 times.
> > >
> > >
> > > Handguns kill far, far more, they shoot just
> as
> > > fast and have the same capacity, are easier
> to
> > > conceal, and are responsible for more mass
> > > shootings. "Assault weapons" aren't really
> > > assault weapons nor are they machine guns nor
> > do
> > > they have any real advantage over a handgun
> at
> > > closer range where such events happen.
> > >
> > > And, yes, actually it was. We just finished
> > > breaking away from a tyrannical government.
> > They
> > > didn't want another.
> > >
> > > And it's bear arms not "bare."
> >
> >
> > When you're shooting at cops 50 - 100+ yards
> out,
> > and have a .223 round leaving a longer AR
> barrel,
> > it will be much more effective than a 9mm
> coming
> > out of a small handgun
>
>
> I guess you missed that "at closer range where
> such events happen" part huh?
>
> When was the last time that someone got into a
> "mass shoot-out" with cops?
>
> Never. That's not where or what happens in these
> cases.


Sure the killing of the innocents is at a short range, but the cops are 50+ yards away.




I wonder why they have their rifles out...

yea it happens Wrote:
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> > > > Ban assault weapons Wrote:
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> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
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> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Ban assault weapons. Period. The
> > Constitution
> > > > was
> > > > > meant for people to bare the right to a
> gun.
> >
> > > > Not
> > > > > an assault weapon. A pistol will not
> > result
> > > in
> > > > a
> > > > > massacre. It is ridiculous that we allow
> > > > anyone
> > > > > to purchase machine guns. Especially
> those
> > > who
> > > > > have been interviewed by the FBI 3 times.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Handguns kill far, far more, they shoot
> just
> > as
> > > > fast and have the same capacity, are easier
> > to
> > > > conceal, and are responsible for more mass
> > > > shootings. "Assault weapons" aren't really
> > > > assault weapons nor are they machine guns
> nor
> > > do
> > > > they have any real advantage over a handgun
> > at
> > > > closer range where such events happen.
> > > >
> > > > And, yes, actually it was. We just
> finished
> > > > breaking away from a tyrannical government.
>
> > > They
> > > > didn't want another.
> > > >
> > > > And it's bear arms not "bare."
> > >
> > >
> > > When you're shooting at cops 50 - 100+ yards
> > out,
> > > and have a .223 round leaving a longer AR
> > barrel,
> > > it will be much more effective than a 9mm
> > coming
> > > out of a small handgun
> >
> >
> > I guess you missed that "at closer range where
> > such events happen" part huh?
> >
> > When was the last time that someone got into a
> > "mass shoot-out" with cops?
> >
> > Never. That's not where or what happens in
> these
> > cases.
>
>
> Sure the killing of the innocents is at a short
> range, but the cops are 50+ yards away.
>
>
> src="http://www.occupy.com/sites/default/files/fie
> ld/image/police-swat-team-1024x661.jpg"/>
>
> I wonder why they have their rifles out...


Which has nothing to do with much of anything. Even the police don't stand off in these cases other than to create a perimeter. They do a tactical entry to engage the shooter(s) at closer ranges.

"Assault rifles" and magazine capacity mean squat in the scheme of things. They're just simple things for your simple mind to focus on because they real problems are too hard to actually deal with.

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> > > shoot off Wrote:
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> >
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> > > > hJVdP Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Ban assault weapons Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > Ban assault weapons. Period. The
> > > Constitution
> > > > > was
> > > > > > meant for people to bare the right to a
> > gun.
> > >
> > > > > Not
> > > > > > an assault weapon. A pistol will not
> > > result
> > > > in
> > > > > a
> > > > > > massacre. It is ridiculous that we
> allow
> > > > > anyone
> > > > > > to purchase machine guns. Especially
> > those
> > > > who
> > > > > > have been interviewed by the FBI 3
> times.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Handguns kill far, far more, they shoot
> > just
> > > as
> > > > > fast and have the same capacity, are
> easier
> > > to
> > > > > conceal, and are responsible for more
> mass
> > > > > shootings. "Assault weapons" aren't
> really
> > > > > assault weapons nor are they machine guns
> > nor
> > > > do
> > > > > they have any real advantage over a
> handgun
> > > at
> > > > > closer range where such events happen.
> > > > >
> > > > > And, yes, actually it was. We just
> > finished
> > > > > breaking away from a tyrannical
> government.
> >
> > > > They
> > > > > didn't want another.
> > > > >
> > > > > And it's bear arms not "bare."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When you're shooting at cops 50 - 100+
> yards
> > > out,
> > > > and have a .223 round leaving a longer AR
> > > barrel,
> > > > it will be much more effective than a 9mm
> > > coming
> > > > out of a small handgun
> > >
> > >
> > > I guess you missed that "at closer range
> where
> > > such events happen" part huh?
> > >
> > > When was the last time that someone got into
> a
> > > "mass shoot-out" with cops?
> > >
> > > Never. That's not where or what happens in
> > these
> > > cases.
> >
> >
> > Sure the killing of the innocents is at a short
> > range, but the cops are 50+ yards away.
> >
> >
> > >
> src="http://www.occupy.com/sites/default/files/fie
>
> > ld/image/police-swat-team-1024x661.jpg"/>
> >
> > I wonder why they have their rifles out...
>
>
> Which has nothing to do with much of anything.
> Even the police don't stand off in these cases
> other than to create a perimeter. They do a
> tactical entry to engage the shooter(s) at closer
> ranges.
>
> "Assault rifles" and magazine capacity mean squat
> in the scheme of things. They're just simple
> things for your simple mind to focus on because
> they real problems are too hard to actually deal
> with.


And the reason that they have their rifles out is that it's a training exercise, as the blue tape and blue handguns make obvious.

High capacity firearms need to go. You get 9 rounds thats it. 30 rounds in a clip is totally overkill for anything other than, well, over-kill. You can debate the AR 15 is not a true assault rifle but it has become the weapon of choice when sick crazy people want to kill scores of others.

We do not need high capacity mags. Period. It aint gonna help you against the black helicopters anyway.

Most of all we need idiots to stop supporting the weapon industry - we have more guns than people in this country.

@b6xJG, blaming an inanimate object for the hate of one muslim obviously makes you feel better. However, even if guns could be eliminated, the hate of some is so great that they will use other means to harm. Your solution only gives you a false sense of security.

ISIS will kill with or without guns.

As a sidelight, the media states that this was the worst gun violence in US history. The media is wrong. The worst was at Gettysburg in the civil war. Like Gettysburg, this is a war. We are throwing UAV's and special ops into the battle, and they are egging on deranged individuals in the US and elsewhere.

Since there's more than 90% correlation between gun free zones and mass shootings, the only logical response is to do away with gun free zones.

b6xjG Wrote:
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> clip

Magazine. Dipshit. If you are going to have an opinion on something, at least have the correct facts.

The guy was a known problem, and yet you still want to blame the type of gun.

There is a mental health crisis in this country, but no one will address it because people are too worried about hurting someone's feelings.

The entire premise of this thread is wrong. Orlando happened because we are at war. We send Predators and special ops into the mid-east, and ISIS recruits killers in the US.

Our homeland is a part of this new battleground. ISIS acts shrewdly, attacking the defenseless and watching with glee while we battle each other in response.

The well-known phrase "never let a crisis go to waste" is not applicable here. Orlando is not a political prop to be used in a partisan agenda. It is an attack on all Americans, of all political stripes.

Let's put aside the partisan agenda and focus on the enemy. Once the enemy is defeated, we'll have time to return to our regular partisan bickering.

Focus on the Big Picture Wrote:
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> The entire premise of this thread is wrong.
> Orlando happened because we are at war. We send
> Predators and special ops into the mid-east, and
> ISIS recruits killers in the US.

The President cannot even bring himself to say the words Islamic/Muslim terrorist and you want him to admit we are in a war with them? Bwahahahahahaha, good luck with that one. This all starts at the top. Weak leadership at President and in the house/senate put us in this position. It may take a revolution to get us out.

He was on the Terrorism Watch List but could still pass the background check to purchase the weapons legally BECAUSE the background check cannot cross check with the watch list due to federal privacy laws.

THAT is something needs to change in my not so humble and very pissed off opinion.

b6xjG Wrote:
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> High capacity firearms need to go. You get 9
> rounds thats it. 30 rounds in a clip is totally
> overkill for anything other than, well, over-kill.
> You can debate the AR 15 is not a true assault
> rifle but it has become the weapon of choice when
> sick crazy people want to kill scores of others.
>
> We do not need high capacity mags. Period. It
> aint gonna help you against the black helicopters
> anyway.
>
> Most of all we need idiots to stop supporting the
> weapon industry - we have more guns than people in
> this country.

+1

I wonder if the officer who was shot was hit by a 9mm or .223..... hmmm

Focus on the Big Picture Wrote:
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> The entire premise of this thread is wrong.
> Orlando happened because we are at war. We send
> Predators and special ops into the mid-east, and
> ISIS recruits killers in the US.
>
> Our homeland is a part of this new battleground.
> ISIS acts shrewdly, attacking the defenseless and
> watching with glee while we battle each other in
> response.
>
> The well-known phrase "never let a crisis go to
> waste" is not applicable here. Orlando is not a
> political prop to be used in a partisan agenda. It
> is an attack on all Americans, of all political
> stripes.
>
> Let's put aside the partisan agenda and focus on
> the enemy. Once the enemy is defeated, we'll have
> time to return to our regular partisan bickering.


Correct. We should be focusing on the enemy - democrats.

b6xjG Wrote:
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> High capacity firearms need to go. You get 9
> rounds thats it. 30 rounds in a clip is totally
> overkill for anything other than, well, over-kill.
> You can debate the AR 15 is not a true assault
> rifle but it has become the weapon of choice when
> sick crazy people want to kill scores of others.
>
> We do not need high capacity mags. Period. It
> aint gonna help you against the black helicopters
> anyway.
>
> Most of all we need idiots to stop supporting the
> weapon industry - we have more guns than people in
> this country.


So have 9 round mags, and then it takes 5 seconds at most to change them out. You're argument is misguided at best. Try to focus on the real issue... weak leadership and radical Islam.

Watch list = NO GUNS Wrote:
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> He was on the Terrorism Watch List but could still
> pass the background check to purchase the weapons
> legally BECAUSE the background check cannot cross
> check with the watch list due to federal privacy
> laws.
>
> THAT is something needs to change in my not so
> humble and very pissed off opinion.


If a motherfucker is on a watch list, watch the motherfucker! Follow them around 24/7.

We've spent trillions of dollars and surrendered most of our constitutional rights in the name of "security". And still this shit happens. Watch the bastards!

Ban assault weapons Wrote:
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> Ban assault weapons. Period. The Constitution was
> meant for people to bare the right to a gun. Not
> an assault weapon. A pistol will not result in a
> massacre. It is ridiculous that we allow anyone
> to purchase machine guns. Especially those who
> have been interviewed by the FBI 3 times.

The 2nd Amendment was set so the people can bear arms. The reasoning was that if the Government became tyrannical, that the people had not only the right, but the duty to overthrow the existing Government, and create a new Government.

This is a fact lost to history, and was the root cause of the U.S. Civil War. Tyranny of the Northern States, oppression of the Southern States.

The first thing any Dictator does is to remove firearms from the people. This is why the 2nd Amendment was placed so high on the list of Amendments.

Liberals all think the Constitution and Bill of Rights are outdated. That the guys who wrote them could not possibly envision the scenario's we are dealing with today. Interestingly, they were on the right side of basically 100% of the issues we are dealing with today. From guns, to free speech.....100% correct. Read the words, they are very clear. They knew what was coming because they had seen it before in Europe and were trying their best to avoid it here.

Liberals act as though the 1st Amendment is gospel and yet want to gut the 2nd. It's just more convenient for their mission that way.

Watch list = NO GUNS Wrote:
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> He was on the Terrorism Watch List but could still
> pass the background check to purchase the weapons
> legally BECAUSE the background check cannot cross
> check with the watch list due to federal privacy
> laws.
>
> THAT is something needs to change in my not so
> humble and very pissed off opinion.

It is an uninformed opinion...


1. How do you know he was on the watchlist?
2. A NICS check to purchase a firearm would reveal if the subject is on the known or suspected terrorist watchlist.

common sense laws Wrote:
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> Oh please! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > @common sense laws now:
> >
> >
> > The problem isn't the weapon, it's ISIL. Gun
> > control won't stop ISIL, and we have empirical
> > evidence proving such. It's called Paris. Paris
> > has strict gun control, and still ISIL was able
> to
> > strike.
> >
> > Moreover, because the Orlando club was a "gun
> free
> > zone", all the victims were helpless to stop
> the
> > slaughter. Just like in Paris.
>
>
> src="http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/hom
> ocides_g8_countries_640x360_wmain.jpg"/>
>
> Anders Breivik killed a lot of people in Norway, I
> guess Norways gun laws are worthless too.
>
>
> src="http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/2015/me
> dia/211580/_original/1443814307/1035x1479-GUN-CONT
> ROL_v1.png"/>

you conventiently forgot democrat countries Spain and Africa

you also conveniently forgot to say how many of the supposed 314k were done by illegals who weren't supposed to be in USA and were sent by spain africa (to avoid social security of them) but also from japan china canada and others (similar reasons)

you forgot to subtract how many were done by illegal weapons obtained for the purpose of crime

you forgot to subtract marital murders - which %100 occur with or without weapons involved, which have 0 todo with weapons throughout man's known history

Yankee Truth Wrote:
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> Ban assault weapons Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ban assault weapons. Period. The Constitution
> was
> > meant for people to bare the right to a gun.
> Not
> > an assault weapon. A pistol will not result in
> a
> > massacre. It is ridiculous that we allow
> anyone
> > to purchase machine guns. Especially those who
> > have been interviewed by the FBI 3 times.
>
> The 2nd Amendment was set so the people can bear
> arms. The reasoning was that if the Government
> became tyrannical, that the people had not only
> the right, but the duty to overthrow the existing
> Government, and create a new Government.
>
> This is a fact lost to history, and was the root
> cause of the U.S. Civil War. Tyranny of the
> Northern States, oppression of the Southern
> States.
>
> The first thing any Dictator does is to remove
> firearms from the people. This is why the 2nd
> Amendment was placed so high on the list of
> Amendments.


Fast forward to 2016, the Goverment has M1 Abrams, F22 raptors, Predator drones, etc etc. Your AR wouldn't do jack shit. You would make ISIS look like elite seals with your little toys.

Yankee Truth Wrote:
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> The 2nd Amendment was set so the people can bear
> arms. The reasoning was that if the Government
> became tyrannical, that the people had not only
> the right, but the duty to overthrow the existing
> Government, and create a new Government.
>
> This is a fact lost to history, and was the root
> cause of the U.S. Civil War. Tyranny of the
> Northern States, oppression of the Southern
> States.
>
> The first thing any Dictator does is to remove
> firearms from the people. This is why the 2nd
> Amendment was placed so high on the list of
> Amendments.

Where does it say that in the constitution ?

Gun owning lib Wrote:
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> Yankee Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > The 2nd Amendment was set so the people can
> bear
> > arms. The reasoning was that if the Government
> > became tyrannical, that the people had not only
> > the right, but the duty to overthrow the
> existing
> > Government, and create a new Government.
> >
> > This is a fact lost to history, and was the
> root
> > cause of the U.S. Civil War. Tyranny of the
> > Northern States, oppression of the Southern
> > States.
> >
> > The first thing any Dictator does is to remove
> > firearms from the people. This is why the 2nd
> > Amendment was placed so high on the list of
> > Amendments.
>
> Where does it say that in the constitution ?

I am not going to break down and dissect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for you, and spoon feed you an education.

The info is easy to find a little effort - Lazy Boy

Yankee Truth Wrote:
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> Gun owning lib Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yankee Truth Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > The 2nd Amendment was set so the people can
> > bear
> > > arms. The reasoning was that if the
> Government
> > > became tyrannical, that the people had not
> only
> > > the right, but the duty to overthrow the
> > existing
> > > Government, and create a new Government.
> > >
> > > This is a fact lost to history, and was the
> > root
> > > cause of the U.S. Civil War. Tyranny of the
> > > Northern States, oppression of the Southern
> > > States.
> > >
> > > The first thing any Dictator does is to
> remove
> > > firearms from the people. This is why the 2nd
> > > Amendment was placed so high on the list of
> > > Amendments.
> >
> > Where does it say that in the constitution ?
>
> I am not going to break down and dissect the
> Constitution and the Bill of Rights for you, and
> spoon feed you an education.
>
> The info is easy to find a little effort - Lazy
> Boy


So it's not really in the consatution is it?

^

I made it very clear - Do your own home work. This is the problem we have today, people believe only what people tell them because they are too lazy to confirm the truth.

Don't believe a thing I have posted.

Read. Confirm. Know.

Yankee Truth Wrote:
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> ^
>
> I made it very clear - Do your own home work. This
> is the problem we have today, people believe only
> what people tell them because they are too lazy to
> confirm the truth.
>
> Don't believe a thing I have posted.
>
> Read. Confirm. Know.

You make a convincing argument. I'll go with it.

Legalize SAMs and TOWs Wrote:
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> Yankee Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ban assault weapons Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Ban assault weapons. Period. The Constitution
> > was
> > > meant for people to bare the right to a gun.
> > Not
> > > an assault weapon. A pistol will not result
> in
> > a
> > > massacre. It is ridiculous that we allow
> > anyone
> > > to purchase machine guns. Especially those
> who
> > > have been interviewed by the FBI 3 times.
> >
> > The 2nd Amendment was set so the people can
> bear
> > arms. The reasoning was that if the Government
> > became tyrannical, that the people had not only
> > the right, but the duty to overthrow the
> existing
> > Government, and create a new Government.
> >
> > This is a fact lost to history, and was the
> root
> > cause of the U.S. Civil War. Tyranny of the
> > Northern States, oppression of the Southern
> > States.
> >
> > The first thing any Dictator does is to remove
> > firearms from the people. This is why the 2nd
> > Amendment was placed so high on the list of
> > Amendments.
>
>
> Fast forward to 2016, the Goverment has M1 Abrams,
> F22 raptors, Predator drones, etc etc. Your AR
> wouldn't do jack shit. You would make ISIS look
> like elite seals with your little toys.


What makes you think that they'd all be on one side?

History says that's not how it typically works.

And a bunch of Syrians, Hezbollah, Bosnians, Lybians, etc., would argue the point that small arms aren't effective.

get some info Wrote:

> 1. How do you know he was on the watchlist?
> 2. A NICS check to purchase a firearm would
> reveal if the subject is on the known or suspected
> terrorist watchlist.

Wrong dumb ass. Try researching it. It's well documented that the lists are not cross referenced. Idiot.

Watch list = NO GUNS Wrote:
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> get some info Wrote:
>
> > 1. How do you know he was on the watchlist?
> > 2. A NICS check to purchase a firearm would
> > reveal if the subject is on the known or
> suspected
> > terrorist watchlist.
>
> Wrong dumb ass. Try researching it. It's well
> documented that the lists are not cross
> referenced. Idiot.


They certainly are. I'm well versed in what files are contained in NICS and what procedures ensue once someone on the known or suspected terrorist list tries to buy a gun.

You appear to be a dumbass that can't think beyond what is spoon fed to you by the anti second amendment crowd.

Care to show us some more of your ignorance?

Ukrainian Dissident Wrote:
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> Legalize SAMs and TOWs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yankee Truth Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Ban assault weapons Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Ban assault weapons. Period. The Constitution was meant for people to bare the right to a gun. Not an assault weapon. A pistol will not result in a massacre.

You failed to realize that since 1787 firearms have changed somewhat. Back in old George's Day it was flint lock long guns and single shot flint lock pistols. I use the term long gun because the "Rifling" was not common until the mid 1800's.

So do we scrap the progress because of your ignorance?

Killing gays is part of muslim culture.
Liberals are doing everything they can to bring more muslims to the USA.
Liberals clearly want gays to die.
Why are so many gays liberal? Are they suicidal?

Diehard Liberal Wrote:
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> Killing gays is part of muslim culture.
> Liberals are doing everything they can to bring
> more muslims to the USA.
> Liberals clearly want gays to die.
> Why are so many gays liberal? Are they suicidal?


Liberal say anything to get elected. They focus/prey upon the uneducated, minorities, the timid, the old, the young, and anyone else that is in a position of powerlessness , and promise to fix all ills and woes.

Probably 85% of the American people don't care about this huge killing as gay male people were involved. Sorry that's the drift I'm getting. Shrugs.. Oh Well.. Terrible.. That's It..And the fact they were Latino.. The Mexican Flags flying at Trump Rallys, the Anti American factor..don't help them.. Liberals seize on this terrible crime however.. only to try to move gun controls.. Assault weapon bans forward as Hillary tried to do today..Really she could not give a shit about those killed or injured I think.. Just what kind of Vote Traction she can get out of this tragedy..

Personally I think its a horror. No one should be in this situation and Yes It could happen Anywhere in the U.S. Gays Today, Infidels = Americans tomorrow.. To Any group Islamic haters go out to kill.. Not a time to disarm the American people at all..

And Not a time to hate Islamic family's , people that came here to escape the horrors that occur in their own countries.. Im a conservative and I understand that..as we all do., that all immigrants came here to better themselves , or get away from the worlds violence.
... But do It Legally! As all the People of the World are Supposed to..Coming Here!

DAJAX

One hundred gay homos bum rush the muzzie fuck as he reloaded, tweeted, called 911? Where is the audio? Did He text it? How many times did he reload while the gay latinos cowered? qne hundred and three shots? Three hours from start to finish. Bullshit, start to finish.

He had 4 hours.

If it hadn't been a gun free zone (like all the mass shootings) it would have been much less damaging.

#What Would They Do? I think they did what they were told to do. Who turned them into sheep? I know. Libs live to cry, They are cry babies.

e4j6v Wrote:
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> a ban on assault rifles would help. He outgunned
> the cop/cops from the start. The killing was easy
> after that. Hunting rifles and 6 round mags
> should be the limit. melt everything else like
> the Aussies did. It will work.

In Australia, shootings are down 72% since the ban went into effect. Applying the same time frame, shootings are down 61% in the US. So an 11% difference, but if you think about it, Australia has 25 millions people, we have 300+ million.

I would really like to see the % of shootings with legally owned guns and remove the shootings of illegal guns.

Funny how you Gun control freaks never cite Chicago as an example. Assault Weapons have been banned in Chicago for years, but they are still used. The reason why??? Criminals do not care about laws. Chicago has some of the most strict gun control laws in the US and they have the most shootings.

You can call me any name you want, but I am right and you cannot come up with an argument as to why I am wrong.

Everyone who was kilt had been at rallies demanding we bring more radical muzzies to the USA, and no doubt had brought their messican flags with them. Fuck 'em all!

Jayman Wrote:
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> e4j6v Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > a ban on assault rifles would help. He
> outgunned
> > the cop/cops from the start. The killing was
> easy
> > after that. Hunting rifles and 6 round mags
> > should be the limit. melt everything else like
> > the Aussies did. It will work.
>
> In Australia, shootings are down 72% since the ban
> went into effect. Applying the same time frame,
> shootings are down 61% in the US. So an 11%
> difference, but if you think about it, Australia
> has 25 millions people, we have 300+ million.
>
> I would really like to see the % of shootings with
> legally owned guns and remove the shootings of
> illegal guns.
>
> Funny how you Gun control freaks never cite
> Chicago as an example. Assault Weapons have been
> banned in Chicago for years, but they are still
> used. The reason why??? Criminals do not care
> about laws. Chicago has some of the most strict
> gun control laws in the US and they have the most
> shootings.
>
> You can call me any name you want, but I am right
> and you cannot come up with an argument as to why
> I am wrong.

I don’t agree with the argument, but isn’t it: the adjacent states’ laws is the reason for criminals having guns in Chicago?

causeican Wrote:
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> Jayman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > e4j6v Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > a ban on assault rifles would help. He
> > outgunned
> > > the cop/cops from the start. The killing was
> > easy
> > > after that. Hunting rifles and 6 round mags
> > > should be the limit. melt everything else
> like
> > > the Aussies did. It will work.
> >
> > In Australia, shootings are down 72% since the
> ban
> > went into effect. Applying the same time
> frame,
> > shootings are down 61% in the US. So an 11%
> > difference, but if you think about it,
> Australia
> > has 25 millions people, we have 300+ million.
> >
> > I would really like to see the % of shootings
> with
> > legally owned guns and remove the shootings of
> > illegal guns.
> >
> > Funny how you Gun control freaks never cite
> > Chicago as an example. Assault Weapons have
> been
> > banned in Chicago for years, but they are still
> > used. The reason why??? Criminals do not care
> > about laws. Chicago has some of the most
> strict
> > gun control laws in the US and they have the
> most
> > shootings.
> >
> > You can call me any name you want, but I am
> right
> > and you cannot come up with an argument as to
> why
> > I am wrong.
>
> I don’t agree with the argument, but isn’t it:
> the adjacent states’ laws is the reason for
> criminals having guns in Chicago?

So let assume that if the adjacent states change their gun laws to match Chicago's laws, do you think that would change the level of violence Chicago is experiencing?

e4j6v Wrote:
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> a ban on assault rifles would help. He outgunned
> the cop/cops from the start. The killing was easy
> after that. Hunting rifles and 6 round mags
> should be the limit. melt everything else like
> the Aussies did. It will work.

LOL!!!!! NOTHING IS GOING TO WORK! YOU KNOW IT, I KNOW IT, AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW IT!

The ante has been upped with this latest massacre. Now someone will have to try and out do this latest one.

You know it's going to happen because nothing has been or ever will be done.

Just go on living the best you can.

Educate me then...

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-live-omar-mateen-was-taken-off-a-terrorist-1465772737-htmlstory.html

3hNJG Wrote:
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> e4j6v Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > a ban on assault rifles would help. He
> outgunned
> > the cop/cops from the start. The killing was
> easy
> > after that. Hunting rifles and 6 round mags
> > should be the limit. melt everything else like
> > the Aussies did. It will work.

I have a 1941 Model 94 Winchester in 30 30 cal. It has a 7 round capacity. Do we call this an assault rifle?

I also have a 1955 Model 77 Winchester(TUBE FED) in .22 cal, and it has a 16 shot capacity.

Are these to be melted as you recommend?

Watch list = NO GUNS Wrote:
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> Educate me then...
>
> http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-nightc
> lub-shooting-live-omar-mateen-was-taken-off-a-terr
> orist-1465772737-htmlstory.html

You are shifting arguments.

Your earlier statement: "It's well documented that the lists are not cross referenced."

Did you make this statement?

What happens when an individual enters into a gun store and attempts to buy a firearm? They fill out a Form 4473.

After that, their name is run through the NICS system. When the background check is initiated three databases are accessed: the National Crime Information Center (NCIC), the Interstate Identification Index (III), and the NICS Index.

Well, what does each of those databases access?

The NCIC accesses:
- Missing Persons File - Records on individuals, including children, who have been reported missing to law enforcement and there is a reasonable concern for their safety.
- Foreign Fugitive File - Records on persons wanted by another country for a crime that would be a felony if it were committed in the United States.
- Identity Theft File - Records containing descriptive and other information that law enforcement personnel can use to determine if an individual is a victim of identity theft or if the individual might be using a false identity.
- Immigration Violator File - Records on criminal aliens whom immigration authorities have deported and aliens with outstanding administrative warrants of removal.
- Protection Order File - Records on individuals against whom protection orders have been issued.
- Supervised Release File - Records on individuals on probation, parole, or supervised release or released on their own recognizance or during pre-trial sentencing.
- Unidentified Persons File- Records on unidentified deceased persons, living persons who are unable to verify their identities, unidentified victims of catastrophes, and recovered body parts. The file cross-references unidentified bodies against records in the Missing Persons File.
- U.S. Secret Service Protective File - Records containing names and other information on individuals who are believed to pose a threat to the U.S. president and/or others afforded protection by the U.S. Secret Service.
- Gang File - Records on violent gangs and their members.
- Known or Appropriately Suspected Terrorist File - Records on known or appropriately suspected terrorists in accordance with HSPD-6.
- Wanted Persons File - Records on individuals (including juveniles who will be tried as adults) for whom a federal warrant or a felony or misdemeanor warrant is outstanding.
- National Sex Offender Registry File - Records on individuals who are required to register in a jurisdiction’s sex offender registry.
- National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Denied Transaction File - Records on individuals who have been determined to be “prohibited persons” according to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act and were denied as a result of a NICS background check. (As of August 2012, records include last six months of denied transactions; in the future, records will include all denials.)
- Violent Person File - Once fully populated with data from our users, this file will contain records of persons with a violent criminal history and persons who have previously threatened law enforcement.

Did you happen to notice the one I bolded above?

So, we've debunked your assertion that the lists are not cross-referenced.

But, you may ask what happens when someone on the known or suspected terrorist list is flagged at the time of a NICS check. Well, a 3 day delay is placed on the transaction that allows NICS and the FBI to determine if the transaction should be prohibited. If after investigation, no derogatory information is revealed, the transaction can take place at the discretion of the gun dealer. The FBI will also continue to investigate after the 3 days to determine if the person should have the firearm taken away.

In this case, as you pointed out, the FBI removed the person from the known or suspected terrorist list, so no further investigation took place. Whether or not taking the shooter off the list is a different question.

No need to thank me for your education. However, this is all public information that the media and the anti-second amendment crowd doesn't reveal to the public. I had to dig around for it back in December, but it really wasn't that hard to find. According to the reports I've read, this has been going on for about 12 years.

> I also have a 1955 Model 77 Winchester(TUBE FED)
> in .22 cal, and it has a 16 shot capacity.
>

Don't worry about the .22, earlier genius poster said it wasn't very deadly.

Good thing you don't have an old Henry (manufactured in the 1860's), my god, they held 16 or 17 shells, the Libs would have to come confiscate it immediately. I wonder why they weren't labeled as an assault weapon back in the day?