Does anyone know if spanking kids in public is prohibited?

Some people consider spanking a form of child abuse and would not hesitate to call the police.

That's why there are so many spoiled brats around here! Spanking should be invented again as a mandatory part of parenting

Why is there a need to hit a child? This is usually the reaction of someone out of control. Has any adult on this forum have even an iota the amount of force they exert when they strike a child?

I have watched parents take control of a situation that teaches the child to behave differently without strking them. My neighbor (back in the stick) had 9 children. She used to bring them all into the knitting sho adjoined to the store where I worked for her weekly knitting lesson. The children sat along the wall, with the older children reading to the younger ones and you didn't hear a peep out of them then entire hour. This woman said she never once raised a hand to any of her children - and that was in the "olden days" when spanking was acceptable.

What causes spoiled brats is giving in to their tantrums or whining every time they they want something. There is nothing wrong with saying NO to a child and sticking too it.

My parents whipped the shit out of me when I fucked up too bad, but it was always measured in response to transgression. Looking back, I deserved every single one of them, and god only knows what kind of horrible monster I'd be today if they hadn't.

If I have children, I hope I love them enough to spank them if they deserve it.

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> My parents whipped the shit out of me when I
> fucked up too bad, but it was always measured in
> response to transgression. Looking back, I
> deserved every single one of them, and god only
> knows what kind of horrible monster I'd be today
> if they hadn't.
>
> If I have children, I hope I love them enough to
> spank them if they deserve it.


Your experience with child abuse explains a lot of your angry and emotionally unstable postings. Seek therapy soon and heal the old wounds.

VeryConcerned Wrote:
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> Does anyone know if spanking kids in public is
> prohibited?

no, it is not prohibited.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Concerned for Meph Wrote:
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> Your experience with child abuse explains a lot of
> your angry and emotionally unstable postings. Seek
> therapy soon and heal the old wounds.

Good idea, Dr. Freud. Maybe I'll go be gay while I'm at it.

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Concerned for Meph Wrote:
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> > Your experience with child abuse explains a lot
> of
> > your angry and emotionally unstable postings.
> Seek
> > therapy soon and heal the old wounds.
>
> Good idea, Dr. Freud. Maybe I'll go be gay while
> I'm at it.

LOL!


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Hmmmmm.....equating child abuse with homosexuality. Was this the cause of your beatings? Did your father catch you playing with My Little Pony?

I get ransacked by parents all the time when I express my view, but I think it's ok to spank until a certain age, but that age is arbitrary within a certain range. I've decided my rule will be that it will be for infractions that cannot be answered with simple deprivations. But, at a certain age, the kid has reached a point where social isolation and other deprivations can be made pretty severe, and corporal punishment is not justifiable to me. Most normal kids should be at that age by 7-10 imo, but what do I know. The children of today may be monsters.

If the behavior got out of control after that, god knows what my yuppy ass would do. Probably taser blasts.

First rule is to never spank when you are angry. I can't think of a time when one would spank their kid in public and not have anger involved.

But beyond that, both of my children were only spanked a couple of times and were five and six by the time they didn't need it anymore. Both know whining and complaining just isn't acceptable and have lived well by the rules in place that were enforced.

When you hear the parents that say they will count to three and get to five or six and the kid is still misbehaving you know there is a problem, a miscommunication, of some kind. A kid should know there is a serious consequence at "three" and there is no four.

spanking is bad

Doctor Freud Wrote:
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> Hmmmmm.....equating child abuse with
> homosexuality. Was this the cause of your
> beatings? Did your father catch you playing with
> My Little Pony?

"Dr. Freud", you are a fraud. Your theories about "Penis Envy" are dead
wrong and you know it. It should have been called "Penis Fascination".
You need to enroll in my seminar called, "Does playing "My Little Pony"
lead to becoming an "Animal Banger?"

Dr. Fill/TV attention whore, my theories are sound. MrMephisto clearly has unresolved anger issues over his physical abuse as a child. I am under the impression that his parents "scared him straight" whenever he showed the slightest effeminate behavior.

Maybe if some of the Westfield students they wouldn't acted so fucking stupid

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Sorry I ment to say being spanked they would'nt acted stupid

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VeryConcerned Wrote:
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> Does anyone know if spanking kids in public is
> prohibited?


http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dfs/factsheets/nurturingparenting.htm

Dr. Fill Wrote:
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>
> "Dr. Freud", you are a fraud. Your theories about
> "Penis Envy" are dead
> wrong and you know it. It should have been called
> "Penis Fascination".
> You need to enroll in my seminar called, "Does
> playing "My Little Pony"
> lead to becoming an "Animal Banger?"


are you that black dude that they were talking about, having sex with a horse multiple times, in the off topic forum?

RestonLass Wrote:
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> Why is there a need to hit a child? This is
> usually the reaction of someone out of control.
> Has any adult on this forum have even an iota the
> amount of force they exert when they strike a
> child?
>
> I have watched parents take control of a situation
> that teaches the child to behave differently
> without strking them. My neighbor (back in the
> stick) had 9 children. She used to bring them all
> into the knitting sho adjoined to the store where
> I worked for her weekly knitting lesson. The
> children sat along the wall, with the older
> children reading to the younger ones and you
> didn't hear a peep out of them then entire hour.
> This woman said she never once raised a hand to
> any of her children - and that was in the "olden
> days" when spanking was acceptable.
>
> What causes spoiled brats is giving in to their
> tantrums or whining every time they they want
> something. There is nothing wrong with saying NO
> to a child and sticking too it.


I have a cousin who lives in Berkley, who has the biggest terror of a 7 year old son. She's one of those "enlightened" moms who would never raise her voice or hit her child. She tries to "reason" with him.

The little shit knows no boundaries, and will push and hit any adult that tells him no.

She is basically the kind of mother that, if he was hitting her over the head with a whiffle ball bat, would say, very calmly, "honey, mommy would appreciate it if you would stop hitting me over the head".

Of course, a shit like that isn't going to stop. He doesn't respect adults.

Maybe spanking is wrong, but there's nothing wrong with being stern and teaching children to respect their elders.

That same little shit almost knocked my mother over when she wouldn't give him a cookie, and she was only out of the hospital from a hip replacement like 10 days or so.

That little fucker didn't seem to mind using violence against my frail mother, his great aunt, so why shouldn't we use a little tempered violence, rationally, against that little piece of shit?

Never did I say that you shouldn't be stern and persistent with a child when disciplining them. I simply stated that spanking - for most parents - is almost always a last resort and administered in anger. This is not discipline, it's lashing out and can easily be construed as abuse.

It is rare that a parent "spanks" their child only "a couple times" as their primary means of discipline as Another Parent posted.

Another Parent obviously had other disciplinary measures in place that resulted in her children understanding that "whining and complaining just isn't acceptable and have lived well by the rules in place that were enforced."

I've known a few "enlightened moms" in my time as well. They are the same ones who stand before the cameras and cry "my little Johnny could never do this, he is a good boy" as the police take him to jail for some heinous cime.

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Children are very smart. They know how to test the parents or caretakers and learn quickly how far they can go.

I was assigned custody of my 2-year old niece for a year when my brother and sister in law were having serious problems.

Even before living with me, she knew where the boundaries were and that I would not budge. It didn't take long for her to realize that the rewards for remaining within the boundaries were greater than testing them, and during that year it was rare that she "acted out." Nearly every time she acted out we had been out and about beyond her nap time and she was tired - i.e. her misbehavior was my fault.

Spanking in all but the rarest of circumstances is lazy parenting. With proper parenting techniques a mild slap on the hands is all a child needs to be reminded of the rules.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Spanking in all but the rarest of circumstances is
> lazy parenting. With proper parenting techniques
> a mild slap on the hands is all a child needs to
> be reminded of the rules.

Until you run into a child like I was.

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and like I was

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why is everyone hatin on doin horses? those ponies want it!


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/04/2009 09:40AM by Gravis.

Not only is it not prohibited, it's actually encouraged. Show me one child out there that wouldn't benefit from a severe beating. You can't.

Parents, please beat some sense into your children.

My brother in law thought he was spanked too much so he went the other way and rarely ever spanked or disciplined his kids. two of the three were absolute terrors growing up, and I felt bad for them because even their own grandmother didn't want them into the house. Now the oldest is barely legal and already a mom, and the parents always talk about how they wonder what happened.

There is a wide gray area between spanking out of anger all the time and never enforcing boundaries at all, and that gray area is called "parenting". The two extremes are called "breeding".

I remember a rather misbehaved child in elementary school whose parents didn't spank, but instead punished him "military" style with push-ups, leg lifts, etc. And they taught him martial arts, too, all in the hopes of instilling discipline.

What they ended up with was a freakishly-strong black belt who was just as misbehaved.

Should have beat his ass.

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I don't think spanking helped Mephisto too much... he's arrogant jerk and gay

There's a difference between spanking and fisting.

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Please! Don't do anything to upset Robbie!

What a joke. Parents like that need to teach their kids to act right or get smacked, RIIIGHT!?

Alias Wrote:
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> My sister babysat for a family with one child.
> The parents sat her down and explained how to
> deal with non-positive behavior.
>
> "When Robbie is doing something wrong, distract
> Robbie's attention. If, for example, Robbie
> puts his feet on the table during dinner, direct
> Robbie's attention to something outside the
> window, or ask Robbie about school, etc., but
> ignore Robbie's feet on the table."
>
> My family had fun imaging my father's reaction to
> one of us tilting back the chair, sticking feet
> up on the table and knocking over the mashed
> potatoes. He would have definitely distracted our
> attention.


I have a cousin who lives in Oakland, who worked for several companies in Silicon Valley. She's basically infected with the San Fran mentality.

She has a child that is probably 6 or 7 now, but when I saw him a few years ago, he was probably 4 or 5, and a fucking holy terror.

She told us not to scold him, but to reason with him.

The little fucker knows no boundaries. He learned early on to test and push adults, and that he can win out with the adults because as long as he is willing to push his childish tantrum or sugar high induced psychosis, he will always succeed and the adults will fail.

THe consensus in my extended family is that Mommy uses the kinder, gentler child rearing methodology, where if little shit is hitting you over the head with a whiffle ball bat, you don't take that bat from the shit and hit him back, but you instead try to reason with the shit, saying things like "honey bunch, mommy would appreciate it if you didn't hit me over the head with that bat." To a fucking 4 year old that hasn't been educated about pain, consequences and repurcussions. OR empathy, for that matter.

Measured, rational, non-anger spanks or light slaps are good educational tools that teach really young children about empathy, consequences, and repurcussions.

Obviously you don't spank a kid for wetting his pants. You don't spank a kid for getting the wrong answer to a question. But you spank a kid for doing something that is unnacceptable behavior and was a conscious decision by the child.

And you don't spank to inflict pain.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Spanking in all but the rarest of circumstances
> is
> > lazy parenting. With proper parenting
> techniques
> > a mild slap on the hands is all a child needs
> to
> > be reminded of the rules.
>
> Until you run into a child like I was.


And did the beatings help?

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

RestonLass Wrote:
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> Why is there a need to hit a child? This is
> usually the reaction of someone out of control.
> Has any adult on this forum have even an iota the
> amount of force they exert when they strike a
> child?
>
> I have watched parents take control of a situation
> that teaches the child to behave differently
> without strking them. My neighbor (back in the
> stick) had 9 children. She used to bring them all
> into the knitting sho adjoined to the store where
> I worked for her weekly knitting lesson. The
> children sat along the wall, with the older
> children reading to the younger ones and you
> didn't hear a peep out of them then entire hour.
> This woman said she never once raised a hand to
> any of her children - and that was in the "olden
> days" when spanking was acceptable.
>
> What causes spoiled brats is giving in to their
> tantrums or whining every time they they want
> something. There is nothing wrong with saying NO
> to a child and sticking too it.

Saying NO. And when they keep doing it, thats when you smack the crap out of them!!! Take that liberal bullshit of yours and go back to WOODSTOCK!!

regular beatings are the best way to teach kids. They understand pain, it hurts, but they don't understand other punishments such as taking away the video games, restricting TV or not letting them go play with other kids. That, im my expirence, simply makes them angrier.

Suppose Little Shit is hitting mommy with his wiffle ball bat. Where did the bat come from in the first place? Mommy took Little Shit to Toys R Us, little shit saw the bat and wanted it. Mommy said no and little shit screamed and made a scene, much like as is depicted here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NvJs3KNdkw
Mommy gives in and buys the bat.

Instead, Mommy should have immediatly taken Little Shit out to the car and beat him until he quits screaming. Then they may continue shopping.

But suppose Mommy bought the bat anyway, and they are at home and Little Shit is hitting mommy with the bat. Mommy should not take the bat and beat Little Shit with the bat. Instead, mommy should take the bat, put it away and then beat Little Shit without the bat. This way, Little Shit does not think it is a game

It depends on the child. Growing up, I needed the shit kicked out of me every so often and then grounded before the message got hammered home. My sister, on the other hand, only needed to be yelled at and grounded for a day and she got the message.

My two children provide a PEFECT example of how effective discipline works and lack of discipline does not, but I don't want to pull back the curtain to much on teh internetz...

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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

Thurston's quote made me think:

"To a fucking 4 year old that hasn't been educated about pain, consequences and repurcussions. OR empathy, for that matter. "

When my brother was 2 or 3, he was a biter. He just loved biting other little kids. My mom tried scolding him, and explaining that biting isn't nice, and that it hurts, with little success. One day, he bit another boy, hard enough to leave teeth marks. So my mom bit him. Not too hard, just enough for him to realize what it felt like. He stopped biting kids after that.

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Who knows from whence he came, and who knows where he goes, dot dot dot.

That sounds kinky.

RestonLass Wrote:
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> Why is there a need to hit a child? This is
> usually the reaction of someone out of control.
> Has any adult on this forum have even an iota the
> amount of force they exert when they strike a
> child?

I would say spanking works to a point. Whether we like to admit it or not, it is an effective tool for learning, its the same way most people train their dogs or other pets. A light slap on the butt or to the back of the head isnt going to scar your child for life (depending on your force). And I would say that verbal abuse could be way more harmful. Just like with anything thats worth doing in life , its about control and moderation.

The first rule is Be Consistent.

If you have a preferred form of punishment, that is great, but once you threaten the punishment you have to follow through if it was deserved. Whether you use timeout, not allowing them to do something they like, tv, etc.

Spanking is fine as long as you understand that when you are angry you should not spank a child unless you know you are in control. Some people get angry and totally lose it - for those folks I would advise never spanking your kid. If you do choose to spank, do it discretely, like take your kid to the bathroom - you don't need to embarrass them and yourself in public. If your kid is out of control, then take them home and deal with them there.

The main thing to remember is, if you tell them you are going to punish them, do it. That way in the future as they understand you mean business, later all you have to do is ask them if they want to be punished, or do what you ask. Once you get to that point you usually never have to spank them again (or so seldom that it doesn't matter).

Some kids just don't respond to being rational with them until they respect the fact that you mean what you say. If you are lucky enough to have a child that responds to more subtle persuasion methods, count your blessings.

FoolSmacker Wrote:
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> When my brother was 2 or 3, he was a biter. He
> just loved biting other little kids. My mom tried
> scolding him, and explaining that biting isn't
> nice, and that it hurts, with little success. One
> day, he bit another boy, hard enough to leave
> teeth marks. So my mom bit him. Not too hard, just
> enough for him to realize what it felt like. He
> stopped biting kids after that.

wow... your brother is retarded.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

It's not okay to spank in public because some fucking nut will report you to social services whether or not it is technically prohibited.

That said, I say spank the bastards if they deserve it (in private). Once you have established that you are willing to do it, you use it as a threat to the kid in public (I take the kid to the side and say, "Stop this now or you know what's coming!")

As for those parents who get their kids to behave without spanking them, I say good for them. They obviously have a kids with personalities that don't require it. I was like that when I was a kid.

However, a lot of strong-willed kids need their asses beaten once in a while. And most parents who say they never spank their kids and that their kids are perfect darlings are lying out of their asses.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
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> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > Spanking in all but the rarest of
> circumstances
> > is
> > > lazy parenting. With proper parenting
> > techniques
> > > a mild slap on the hands is all a child needs
> > to
> > > be reminded of the rules.
> >
> > Until you run into a child like I was.
>
>
> And did the beatings help?

Yes, but they weren't exactly "beatings." As a kid, punishment was delivered in a pre-determined number of lashes across the ass, measured out according to the transgression.

As I got older, I'd get five across the mouth when I got lippy (which was frequently). I was stubborn and bullheaded and didn't know when to keep my mouth shut.

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
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> > MrMephisto Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > Vince(1) Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Spanking in all but the rarest of
> > circumstances
> > > is
> > > > lazy parenting. With proper parenting
> > > techniques
> > > > a mild slap on the hands is all a child
> needs
> > > to
> > > > be reminded of the rules.
> > >
> > > Until you run into a child like I was.
> >
> >
> > And did the beatings help?
>
> Yes, but they weren't exactly "beatings." As a
> kid, punishment was delivered in a pre-determined
> number of lashes across the ass, measured out
> according to the transgression.
>
> As I got older, I'd get five across the mouth when
> I got lippy (which was frequently). I was
> stubborn and bullheaded and didn't know when to
> keep my mouth shut.


In which case Im not sure what it taught you...especially if the punishment was meant to get you to keep quiet.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

I learned not to say things that will get me a punch in the mouth.

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Me too.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> I learned not to say things that will get me a
> punch in the mouth.


Well..I hope you dont use that same technique on your children...whether they "deserve" it or not.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/09/2009 11:31PM by Vince(1).

Nah, I'll just let them do whatever they want so they become the next Boo.

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i love spanking, its kinky, especially with a table tennis bat with nails driven through it.

naughty xxx

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Nah, I'll just let them do whatever they want so
> they become the next Boo.



"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Dr. Fill/TV attention whore, my theories are sound. MrMephisto clearly has unresolved anger issues over his physical abuse as a child. I am under the impression that his parents "scared him straight" whenever he showed the slightest effeminate behavior.