Fix the entrance/admissions exam now or drop TJ from the county and convert it to a privately funded school.

Why should we pay for a school that South Korea is using to send their kids to Ivys?? Sick of paying for this crap!

maybe if your kid, and kids of other race, were better students, they would get into TJ too.

what truth? Wrote:
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> maybe if your kid, and kids of other race, were
> better students, they would get into TJ too.


Funny how they have these 'high IQs' everyone brings up, but yet so many of their countries are horrible 3rd world hell holes. Simply google pictures of Vietnam, Laos, etc. or look up what silvester Stallone had to say about Burma when he was filming a Rambo movie there. They obviously can't make it without the 'boost' given to them by White america.

It's easy to teach things which can be memorized or processes which can be memorized .. this can help score high on IQ tests ..

It's another thing when people can innovate, create and apply ingenuity under pressure to solve problems or create new ways of solving problems OR INVENT.

We need a new generation of thinkers -- not copy bots.

Colleges understand you need critical thinkers and not test bots for a much better learning environment. This is why college admissions reflect a truer picture of the the US population and aren't just accepting high scores on tests.

There is something really wrong with these statistics and they clearly reflect how thoroughly the South Koreans are gaming the system.

School Board - do your job and fix this!

Its due to the Korean Mafia. If nobody has figured this out, the Koreans own most of Annandale, most of the churches in NOVA, they finance all the Korean businesses and single family home purchases, own many of the strip malls.

The Korean Embassy web site has a entire section devoted to TJ and how to get in:

"News reports in Korea tell of the school’s accolades. The country’s embassy devotes a section on its Web site to describing TJ’s admissions criteria, translated into Korean." from the WAPO article below.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/as-thomas-jefferson-adds-help-for-poor-english-skills-some-va-parents-fume/2011/03/10/ABK7qVx_story.html

http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/21/pf/college/harvard-stanford-college-admissions-hoax-oped/

Why would any red blooded American kid or their parents want to go to a school like this???

America the great is fading away. Goodbye, you will be missed

Korean TJ admissions prep programs are better at stealing the TJ admission test.

It will be a sad day when race becomes a factor in admission to TJ. You know hypocritical liberals will insist on it.

It would help if you imbeciles spent some time reading and thinking (or at least ask someone do do those things for you). Here are the stats for the class of 2020: http://thebullelephant.com/admission-statistics-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-tech-class-2020/ You will see that the proportion of Asians is 69. Somehow the OP has concluded that there are 70% Asian, meaning the numerous Chinese, Indian, Japanese, etc. account for 0%. Second, the various posters do not seem to understand that the admissions stats reflect applicants. It has appeared for some time that our fellow whites from upscale neighborhoods are applying less frequently than in the past. In part, they learned that TJ did not give the same boost in college admissions that they thought. meanwhile, Asians, who are discriminated against in college admissions, feel the need to have the TJ bump.

who cares about TJ??/ I am taking a poll ?
I don't

WUjuW Wrote:
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> Korean TJ admissions prep programs are better at
> stealing the TJ admission test.

+1000

Most Asian kids start memorizing the stolen test questions a full 3 years in advance. They go to these test memorization classes where a bank of all previous years questions are broken down.

My kid went in cold passed all the tests in the upper 80% but didnt get in (also straight A's in the most advanced classes available). We think it was because he didnt pad his resume with tech camps over the previous summers in elementary school. Didnt have the 'tech passion'

We are glad he didnt get in. I think the colleges are savvy to what is going on at TJ plus who wants to go to school for 4 years with students like that?

'tech passion' Wrote:
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> WUjuW Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Korean TJ admissions prep programs are better
> at
> > stealing the TJ admission test.
>
> +1000
>
> Most Asian kids start memorizing the stolen test
> questions a full 3 years in advance. They go to
> these test memorization classes where a bank of
> all previous years questions are broken down.
>
> My kid went in cold passed all the tests in the
> upper 80% but didnt get in (also straight A's in
> the most advanced classes available). We think it
> was because he didnt pad his resume with tech
> camps over the previous summers in elementary
> school. Didnt have the 'tech passion'
>
> We are glad he didnt get in. I think the colleges
> are savvy to what is going on at TJ plus who wants
> to go to school for 4 years with students like
> that?

The "test prep" starting in fifth grade has been going on for decades. That does not explain the recent demographic change in the entering class.

parent of TJ grad Wrote:
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> 'tech passion' Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WUjuW Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Korean TJ admissions prep programs are better
> > at
> > > stealing the TJ admission test.
> >
> > +1000
> >
> > Most Asian kids start memorizing the stolen
> test
> > questions a full 3 years in advance. They go
> to
> > these test memorization classes where a bank of
> > all previous years questions are broken down.
> >
> > My kid went in cold passed all the tests in the
> > upper 80% but didnt get in (also straight A's
> in
> > the most advanced classes available). We think
> it
> > was because he didnt pad his resume with tech
> > camps over the previous summers in elementary
> > school. Didnt have the 'tech passion'
> >
> > We are glad he didnt get in. I think the
> colleges
> > are savvy to what is going on at TJ plus who
> wants
> > to go to school for 4 years with students like
> > that?
>
> The "test prep" starting in fifth grade has been
> going on for decades. That does not explain the
> recent demographic change in the entering class.

Its not recent - Asians have been 2-3 times their abundance in the population at TJ for 10 years. They have perfected the test prep program thats all. Good for them, enjoy TJ my Asian friends. Cheat your way all the way through med school.

What a scam Wrote:
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> what truth? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > maybe if your kid, and kids of other race, were
> > better students, they would get into TJ too.
>
>
> Funny how they have these 'high IQs' everyone
> brings up, but yet so many of their countries are
> horrible 3rd world hell holes. Simply google
> pictures of Vietnam, Laos, etc. or look up what
> silvester Stallone had to say about Burma when he
> was filming a Rambo movie there. They obviously
> can't make it without the 'boost' given to them by
> White america.

that's the message hollywood california was selling in the 80's

what's true is the people selling that invested in asia and offshored USA jobs there - and the standard of living in much of asia is toe to toe with USA

only people who are interested in asian funds and asian progress are trying to "dumb down" americans with the old hollywood depiction of asia being a 3rd world country. look on the shelves is everything you use made in asia? likely so. and since your trying to sell "asia is a 3rd world country" i bet you drive an asian luxury vehicle.

Don't be so jealous. My boy. He smart kid. He make good grades and serve soup at my cat/dog restaurant. He TJ through and through. He play on the ping pong team. Eff you.

jxVKY Wrote:
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> What a scam Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > what truth? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > maybe if your kid, and kids of other race,
> were
> > > better students, they would get into TJ too.
> >
> >
> > Funny how they have these 'high IQs' everyone
> > brings up, but yet so many of their countries
> are
> > horrible 3rd world hell holes. Simply google
> > pictures of Vietnam, Laos, etc. or look up what
> > silvester Stallone had to say about Burma when
> he
> > was filming a Rambo movie there. They obviously
> > can't make it without the 'boost' given to them
> by
> > White america.
>
> that's the message hollywood california was
> selling in the 80's
>
> what's true is the people selling that invested in
> asia and offshored USA jobs there - and the
> standard of living in much of asia is toe to toe
> with USA
>
> only people who are interested in asian funds and
> asian progress are trying to "dumb down" americans
> with the old hollywood depiction of asia being a
> 3rd world country. look on the shelves is
> everything you use made in asia? likely so. and
> since your trying to sell "asia is a 3rd world
> country" i bet you drive an asian luxury vehicle.


Nonsense. You have been brainwashed, obviously. Did you google the Asian countries like recommended? Of course you didn't. You just want to avoid the obvious truth that Asia is far from "toe to toe" with the United States, as you claim, if your claim is true, then why is 95% of all espionage against America from China? Why is their a mass exodus of Asians leaving their countries to live in White founded societies?

Cheat your way all the way Wrote:
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> parent of TJ grad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 'tech passion' Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > WUjuW Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Korean TJ admissions prep programs are
> better
> > > at
> > > > stealing the TJ admission test.
> > >
> > > +1000
> > >
> > > Most Asian kids start memorizing the stolen
> > test
> > > questions a full 3 years in advance. They go
> > to
> > > these test memorization classes where a bank
> of
> > > all previous years questions are broken down.
>
> > >
> > > My kid went in cold passed all the tests in
> the
> > > upper 80% but didnt get in (also straight A's
> > in
> > > the most advanced classes available). We
> think
> > it
> > > was because he didnt pad his resume with tech
> > > camps over the previous summers in elementary
> > > school. Didnt have the 'tech passion'
> > >
> > > We are glad he didnt get in. I think the
> > colleges
> > > are savvy to what is going on at TJ plus who
> > wants
> > > to go to school for 4 years with students
> like
> > > that?
> >
> > The "test prep" starting in fifth grade has
> been
> > going on for decades. That does not explain
> the
> > recent demographic change in the entering
> class.
>
> Its not recent - Asians have been 2-3 times their
> abundance in the population at TJ for 10 years.
> They have perfected the test prep program thats
> all. Good for them, enjoy TJ my Asian friends.
> Cheat your way all the way through med school.

It is recent that TJ is majority minority. It was while our kid was there (within the past 10 years) that it flipped. There is more going on than just test prep.

parent of ... Wrote:
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> Cheat your way all the way Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > parent of TJ grad Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > 'tech passion' Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > WUjuW Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Korean TJ admissions prep programs are
> > better
> > > > at
> > > > > stealing the TJ admission test.
> > > >
> > > > +1000
> > > >
> > > > Most Asian kids start memorizing the stolen
> > > test
> > > > questions a full 3 years in advance. They
> go
> > > to
> > > > these test memorization classes where a
> bank
> > of
> > > > all previous years questions are broken
> down.
> >
> > > >
> > > > My kid went in cold passed all the tests in
> > the
> > > > upper 80% but didnt get in (also straight
> A's
> > > in
> > > > the most advanced classes available). We
> > think
> > > it
> > > > was because he didnt pad his resume with
> tech
> > > > camps over the previous summers in
> elementary
> > > > school. Didnt have the 'tech passion'
> > > >
> > > > We are glad he didnt get in. I think the
> > > colleges
> > > > are savvy to what is going on at TJ plus
> who
> > > wants
> > > > to go to school for 4 years with students
> > like
> > > > that?
> > >
> > > The "test prep" starting in fifth grade has
> > been
> > > going on for decades. That does not explain
> > the
> > > recent demographic change in the entering
> > class.
> >
> > Its not recent - Asians have been 2-3 times
> their
> > abundance in the population at TJ for 10 years.
>
> > They have perfected the test prep program thats
> > all. Good for them, enjoy TJ my Asian friends.
>
> > Cheat your way all the way through med school.
>
> It is recent that TJ is majority minority. It was
> while our kid was there (within the past 10 years)
> that it flipped. There is more going on than just
> test prep.

No, it was 50% Asian 10 years ago when they made up less than 20% of the population in Fairfax. 2x 3x representation in the population is telling. Its 100% test prep.

parent of TJ grad Wrote:
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In part, they learned that TJ
> did not give the same boost in college admissions
> that they thought. meanwhile, Asians, who are
> discriminated against in college admissions, feel
> the need to have the TJ bump.

Asian discriminated against in college admissions???? What the F are you smoking.

Asians are often the first pick for many colleges and the stupid colleges look only at grades and fail to realize many of the Asian have horrible language skills and often have cheater or crammed or use the "Binge then Purge" method of test taking. At the end of the day many of these student have very little critical thinking or problems solving skills.

Going to be TOO funny when TJ is only 5% or less white. Pretty soon NO white or normal American kids will want to go to the cesspool of cheating and cut throat way of doing business.

We will all pay the price in the near future of all of this stupidity.

Test prep with stolen/memorized from large/wholesale student debriefings has been happening for YEARS. Anyone that does not know this is blind.

When will the idiots with FCPS/TJ learn that they could out this pretty quickly if they just mixed things up a bit and tossed a curve ball into the mix.

But they do not want to know the truth. What happens when FCPS/TJ finds out there has been wholesale cheating to gain admissions. It hurts the entire program and it would loose all credibility.

Maybe it's just the parents who don't molly coddle their generation snowflake kids and actually demand scholastic achievement out of them have smarter and less lazy children.

The mollycoddle argument does not hold up. There is not necessarily a correlation between how well kids are doing in their 7th and 8th grade classes and whether they get into TJ. TJ consists of a small number of truly bright kids and a much larger number of above average students who were well prepped.

@nNGU4, People in the school system have known about the stolen tests for years. Even those who have run TJ admissions have known about it. Solving the problem meant taking on not just the Asian TJ Test Prep industry, it also has meant taking on FCAG, one of the more powerful FCPS interest groups. It has only been since the Asian TJ Test Prep kids started squeezing out of TJ the previously privileged FCAG kids that you have started hearing vocal complaints about Asian TJ test prep companies stealing the tests.

Ynmidkcyrtq Wrote:
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> Maybe it's just the parents who don't molly coddle
> their generation snowflake kids and actually
> demand scholastic achievement out of them have
> smarter and less lazy children.

More family support and interest in kids academics, hard work, and discipline leads to getting into TJ, regardless of race. If your kid didn't make the cut don't be jealous of those who put forth the effort.

Oh, and Bruce Lee > Chuck Norris

Isn't English part of the test? Them Koreans have even the English part down??? Holy smokes.

Hell, just listen to FCPS Superintendent Ilryong Moon.

You no need Engris skill!!!

The secret is a lot of us just pass on TJ. Non-Asian people that is. Our kids and our friends have kids that are 2-3 grades ahead in math (and other courses), all honors and dont go to TJ. We dont pay for tutoring, cheating classes and we dont really care if our kids get in.

Why would we want to send our naturally genius kids to an Asian meat grinder with a test most pass by cheating as a barrier? What advantage would it be for our kids to be surrounded buy an Asian culture like that. Sure the TJ labs are cool but they are not worth having your normal kid surrounded by that spectacle.

The high school around here offer multi-variable calculus; basically the first year of college math for engineering majors. What more do you really need. In the mean time our kids have summer jobs and sports to learn about real life.

Im telling you all TJ is is the best wash-out program for Asian pharmacists in the country.

+1000

Asian pharmacists Wrote:
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> The secret is a lot of us just pass on TJ.
> Non-Asian people that is. Our kids and our
> friends have kids that are 2-3 grades ahead in
> math (and other courses), all honors and dont go
> to TJ. We dont pay for tutoring, cheating classes
> and we dont really care if our kids get in.
>
> Why would we want to send our naturally genius
> kids to an Asian meat grinder with a test most
> pass by cheating as a barrier? What advantage
> would it be for our kids to be surrounded buy an
> Asian culture like that. Sure the TJ labs are
> cool but they are not worth having your normal kid
> surrounded by that spectacle.
>
> The high school around here offer multi-variable
> calculus; basically the first year of college math
> for engineering majors. What more do you really
> need. In the mean time our kids have summer jobs
> and sports to learn about real life.
>
> Im telling you all TJ is is the best wash-out
> program for Asian pharmacists in the country.

LOL, TJ Class of 199X here. I do not know a single Asian pharmacist. I do know at least 30+ medical doctors in my class alone, including an Chinese John Hopkins neurosurgeon. I was a hedge fund worker at a top firm (bling bling). Yeah, we did okay. LOL, You don't need TJ to become a pharmacist. Where did you come up with that shit?? That said, I'm sending my daughter to Madeira if she gets in and not TJ.

Why does FCPS support TJ? How is this "elite" school consistent with the objectives of a public school system? FCPS would be better if the strong students were distributed among all the other schools and the disproportionate spending at TJ also distributed among the other high schools. Shut down TJ!

And thank you to "Hhhhhgdfhhh" for paying taxes and sending your kid to Madeira. Hopefully she can find a way to work and contribute to her community other than as a "hedge fund worker" LOL.

FKF4e Wrote:
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> Why does FCPS support TJ? How is this "elite"
> school consistent with the objectives of a public
> school system? FCPS would be better if the strong
> students were distributed among all the other
> schools and the disproportionate spending at TJ
> also distributed among the other high schools.

My kids are not going to be held back in slow classes tailored to your dummy offspring.

-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”

Why would any WASP family really want to send their kid(s) to TJ with the ethnic make up of cheating Asian's??

Hey even the the ACT is no longer being giving on Korea due to a MASSIVE Korean cheating scandal.

Yep - we're white, of Irish descent, lapsed Catholics and proud of our kids. Our daughter earned a 1770 (of 1800) on the SATs and has a 4.0 unadjusted GPA (straight "A"s) in all honors courses. We looked at TJ and turned it down. The coursework is the same material taught at the regular high schools with a lot more homework - and the environment there is not normal, supportive, or conducive to real learning rather than test taking. No regrets here.

TJ brings no benefits to Fairfax. It is elitist, a discriminatory allocation of extra money to an ethnic minority and incompatible with public education values. It should be shut down.

bnwcT Wrote:
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> and the environment there is not normal,
> supportive, or conducive to real learning rather
> than test taking.

^+1, NOT NORMAL is the main reason to steer clear of the Freak Factory!

Just attended an awards ceremony for my kids middle school. Out of 550 middle school 7th grade students there were 70 awards. 15 out of 70 were Asian. Of the 16 Math or Technology awards 3 were Asian. That is approximately 20% Asian for awards which happens to be the % Asian in our school pyramid general population. In other words normal representation within the population cohort.

So why the disparity at TJ? TJ is 70% Asian - why werent the awards here 70% Asian if their work ethic and superior intellect are the reason for high TJ enrollment? The answer could be that the students for TJ are just practicing the entrance exam for 3 years with tutors. The technical and math awards were not gimmies either - they were for competing in state-wide competitions.

So why weren't 10 out of the 15 tech/math awards Asian instead of only 3. If they are so much harder working and smarter? The answer is TJ is broken - its selecting for students that study memorize its entrance exam from 5th grade on in pay-to-pass classes where they steal the exam questions...

Hhhhhgdfhhh Wrote:
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> Asian pharmacists Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The secret is a lot of us just pass on TJ.
> > Non-Asian people that is. Our kids and our
> > friends have kids that are 2-3 grades ahead in
> > math (and other courses), all honors and dont
> go
> > to TJ. We dont pay for tutoring, cheating
> classes
> > and we dont really care if our kids get in.
> >
> > Why would we want to send our naturally genius
> > kids to an Asian meat grinder with a test most
> > pass by cheating as a barrier? What advantage
> > would it be for our kids to be surrounded buy
> an
> > Asian culture like that. Sure the TJ labs are
> > cool but they are not worth having your normal
> kid
> > surrounded by that spectacle.
> >
> > The high school around here offer
> multi-variable
> > calculus; basically the first year of college
> math
> > for engineering majors. What more do you
> really
> > need. In the mean time our kids have summer
> jobs
> > and sports to learn about real life.
> >
> > Im telling you all TJ is is the best wash-out
> > program for Asian pharmacists in the country.
>
> LOL, TJ Class of 199X here. I do not know a
> single Asian pharmacist. I do know at least 30+
> medical doctors in my class alone, including an
> Chinese John Hopkins neurosurgeon. I was a hedge
> fund worker at a top firm (bling bling). Yeah, we
> did okay. LOL, You don't need TJ to become a
> pharmacist. Where did you come up with that
> shit?? That said, I'm sending my daughter to
> Madeira if she gets in and not TJ.

"In 2010-11, females submitted 59.5 percent of the applications to pharmacy colleges and schools; males submitted 39.4 percent; gender unknown/not reported submitted 1.1 percent. White Americans submitted 35.5 percent of the applications, Asian Americans submitted 35.1 percent of the applications, and underrepresented minorities submitted 15.2 percent of the applications (black, 10.4 percent; Hispanic, 4.4 percent; Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander, 0.2 percent; American Indian/Alaska Native, 0.2 percent). " Asian Americans 5.6 percent of the total American population

The people who posted here thus far either did not know, or chose to ignore the fact that the TJ exam is 50% Math and 50% English. Those who make the first cut as semi-finalists are next asked to write an essay, or to explain in English how they approach solving a particular problem. Those who do well in this stage are selected as finalists for admission.

Since the essays are different in topics and the problems are different each time, there is no amount of "cheating" or "3-year prepping" that will get you past this stage.

It's time for these parents to face the truth: your kids are not good enough to compete at the highest level of academics. Telling yourselves that this is a cheater school, a school with a broken admission, that this is a nerd school and nobody wants to be with a bunch of grinders who have no life, that some private school will be much better, etc...will not solve your fundamental problem: these Asian TJ kids will still be here when it comes time to apply for college. If you keep deluding yourselves you will do your kids a disservice. They will be watching other kids go to UVA, William and Mary, Harvard and MIT. It's really time to tell them the truth: there are some smart people out there who, not only are they as smart or smarter than you, are also willing to do nothing but work harder than most of their peers. It's time for you to tell your kids to get off their cell phones and iPods and Twitter and Facebook accounts, and to start working harder.

The only problem I see that TJ has is also what Bronx Science, Stuyvesant, Boston Latin, UC Berkeley, UCLA, and all other magnet schools or merit-based admission schools have in common: they underestimate the vitriolic bitterness and resentment of those who discover for the first time that they or their kids do not measure up in ability or work ethics.

BTW, to the parent who thought the SAT has 1800 points maximum: your are obviously not from Fairfax. Anyone around here would know what the maximum score on the SAT is.

A Fairfax parent Wrote:
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> The people who posted here thus far either did not
> know, or chose to ignore the fact that the TJ exam
> is 50% Math and 50% English. Those who make the
> first cut as semi-finalists are next asked to
> write an essay, or to explain in English how they
> approach solving a particular problem. Those who
> do well in this stage are selected as finalists
> for admission.
>
> Since the essays are different in topics and the
> problems are different each time, there is no
> amount of "cheating" or "3-year prepping" that
> will get you past this stage.
>
> It's time for these parents to face the truth:
> your kids are not good enough to compete at the
> highest level of academics. Telling yourselves
> that this is a cheater school, a school with a
> broken admission, that this is a nerd school and
> nobody wants to be with a bunch of grinders who
> have no life, that some private school will be
> much better, etc...will not solve your fundamental
> problem: these Asian TJ kids will still be here
> when it comes time to apply for college. If you
> keep deluding yourselves you will do your kids a
> disservice. They will be watching other kids go
> to UVA, William and Mary, Harvard and MIT. It's
> really time to tell them the truth: there are some
> smart people out there who, not only are they as
> smart or smarter than you, are also willing to do
> nothing but work harder than most of their peers.
> It's time for you to tell your kids to get off
> their cell phones and iPods and Twitter and
> Facebook accounts, and to start working harder.
>
> The only problem I see that TJ has is also what
> Bronx Science, Stuyvesant, Boston Latin, UC
> Berkeley, UCLA, and all other magnet schools or
> merit-based admission schools have in common:
> they underestimate the vitriolic bitterness and
> resentment of those who discover for the first
> time that they or their kids do not measure up in
> ability or work ethics.
>
> BTW, to the parent who thought the SAT has 1800
> points maximum: your are obviously not from
> Fairfax. Anyone around here would know what the
> maximum score on the SAT is.

Um, no one is saying you dont need to speak English well - all the students speak English well. " Since the essays are different in topics and the problems are different each time, there is no amount of "cheating" or "3-year prepping" that
will get you past this stage." Absolutely incorrect. Test mills have exit interviews with testees/clients immediately after each test, each year. They bank the questions and have over a decade of data. Im sorry but no matter how creative the TJ test makers are they cannot vary the test that much over the period of a decade.

As user 'steal the exam questions...' quoted above the Asian cohort does not do equally well in non-TJ metrics. There is simply no statistical way to explain a 70% Asian student body at TJ outside of test-prep. Asians do not represent 3x+ their population in the tops of Fairfax Classes. Period.

We have a lot of smart kids of all ethnic groups. TJ is a cheater school, FFX knows it and so do the colleges and universities.

>>TJ is a cheater school, FFX knows it and so do the colleges and universities.

Really ? The Ivies and Public Ivies all must be in on this cheating scam then.

Here is the TJ Class of 2015 destinations, with the number in parentheses: Harvard (3), MIT (8), Wellesley (1), Williams (1), Cal Tech (1), Stanford (6), UC Berkeley (6), UCLA (1), UCSD (1), U. of Chicago (8), Johns Hopkins (5), Naval Academy (2), Carnegie Mellon (16), Yale (5), Duke (9), Columbia (4), Cornell (14), US Military Academy (3), Princeton (5), Darmouth (2), Washington University (8), William and Mary (44), UVA (81)


That's 228 out of 395 their seniors admitted to the best research universities in the world, an amazing 57.7 percent! The other 167 kids also went to top-notch schools too numerous to list, but you can take a look for yourself. http://thebullelephant.com/college-destinations-for-tjhsst-class-of-2015/

Your average Fairfax HS would be lucky to send a handful of students to these elite college destinations. The Washington Post did an article on this a few years back.

Regardless of where these students end up, what's more important is that they do NOT learn the kind of thinking that says "Gee, these people are doing better than me--they must be cheating." They will spend the rest of their lives watching other people succeed.

Cheat your way all the way Wrote:
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> parent of TJ grad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 'tech passion' Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > WUjuW Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Korean TJ admissions prep programs are
> better
> > > at
> > > > stealing the TJ admission test.
> > >
> > > +1000
> > >
> > > Most Asian kids start memorizing the stolen
> > test
> > > questions a full 3 years in advance. They go
> > to
> > > these test memorization classes where a bank
> of
> > > all previous years questions are broken down.
>
> > >
> > > My kid went in cold passed all the tests in
> the
> > > upper 80% but didnt get in (also straight A's
> > in
> > > the most advanced classes available). We
> think
> > it
> > > was because he didnt pad his resume with tech
> > > camps over the previous summers in elementary
> > > school. Didnt have the 'tech passion'
> > >
> > > We are glad he didnt get in. I think the
> > colleges
> > > are savvy to what is going on at TJ plus who
> > wants
> > > to go to school for 4 years with students
> like
> > > that?
> >
> > The "test prep" starting in fifth grade has
> been
> > going on for decades. That does not explain
> the
> > recent demographic change in the entering
> class.
>
> Its not recent - Asians have been 2-3 times their
> abundance in the population at TJ for 10 years.
> They have perfected the test prep program thats
> all. Good for them, enjoy TJ my Asian friends.
> Cheat your way all the way through med school.


I find that asian and middle eastern docs are the worst. They give inaccurate advice and are more focused on money. I go out of my way to find a good American typically white non Caribbean educated doc

A Fairfax Parent Wrote:
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> >>TJ is a cheater school, FFX knows it and so do
> the colleges and universities.
>
> Really ? The Ivies and Public Ivies all must be in
> on this cheating scam then.
>
> Here is the TJ Class of 2015 destinations, with
> the number in parentheses: Harvard (3), MIT (8),
> Wellesley (1), Williams (1), Cal Tech (1),
> Stanford (6), UC Berkeley (6), UCLA (1), UCSD (1),
> U. of Chicago (8), Johns Hopkins (5), Naval
> Academy (2), Carnegie Mellon (16), Yale (5), Duke
> (9), Columbia (4), Cornell (14), US Military
> Academy (3), Princeton (5), Darmouth (2),
> Washington University (8), William and Mary (44),
> UVA (81)
>
>
> That's 228 out of 395 their seniors admitted to
> the best research universities in the world, an
> amazing 57.7 percent! The other 167 kids also
> went to top-notch schools too numerous to list,
> but you can take a look for yourself.
> http://thebullelephant.com/college-destinations-fo
> r-tjhsst-class-of-2015/
>
> Your average Fairfax HS would be lucky to send a
> handful of students to these elite college
> destinations. The Washington Post did an article
> on this a few years back.
>
> Regardless of where these students end up, what's
> more important is that they do NOT learn the kind
> of thinking that says "Gee, these people are doing
> better than me--they must be cheating." They will
> spend the rest of their lives watching other
> people succeed.

Wouldn't you expect a school that has selective admissions and that has kids that score high on SAT/ACT be admitted to top schools?

What the top schools do not understand is how all these students ended up with high SAT/ACT scores and were actually admitted to the school.

Binge/Purge skills are very different than critical problem solving skills.

I can tell you that kids from other tip FCPS schools get into many of of the schools listed, maybe not as many by the numbers but the average FCPS school does not have the selective admissions like TJ and you have a more typical distribution of students. Also when you are not coming from a school like TJ and have very high SAT/ACT scores, money does play into where people decide to go to school.

A Fairfax Parent Wrote:
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> >>TJ is a cheater school, FFX knows it and so do
> the colleges and universities.
>
> Really ? The Ivies and Public Ivies all must be in
> on this cheating scam then.
>
> Here is the TJ Class of 2015 destinations, with
> the number in parentheses: Harvard (3), MIT (8),
> Wellesley (1), Williams (1), Cal Tech (1),
> Stanford (6), UC Berkeley (6), UCLA (1), UCSD (1),
> U. of Chicago (8), Johns Hopkins (5), Naval
> Academy (2), Carnegie Mellon (16), Yale (5), Duke
> (9), Columbia (4), Cornell (14), US Military
> Academy (3), Princeton (5), Darmouth (2),
> Washington University (8), William and Mary (44),
> UVA (81)
>
>
> That's 228 out of 395 their seniors admitted to
> the best research universities in the world, an
> amazing 57.7 percent! The other 167 kids also
> went to top-notch schools too numerous to list,
> but you can take a look for yourself.
> http://thebullelephant.com/college-destinations-fo
> r-tjhsst-class-of-2015/
>
> Your average Fairfax HS would be lucky to send a
> handful of students to these elite college
> destinations. The Washington Post did an article
> on this a few years back.
>
> Regardless of where these students end up, what's
> more important is that they do NOT learn the kind
> of thinking that says "Gee, these people are doing
> better than me--they must be cheating." They will
> spend the rest of their lives watching other
> people succeed.

Stanford, MIT, Harvard are impressive - 17 students. William and Mary, UVA etc, good schools but come on not exactly impossible to get into.

William and Mary 33% acceptance rate; Carnegie and Mellon 25% acceptance rate; uva 29% acceptance rate

that is more than half of your stated number of 'elite' students. Not bad but not earth shattering especially considering W&M and UVA are in state.

TJ test stealing was a fact A Fairfax Parent. Whether it still is I don't know. There have been other cheating scandals. This past year several kids were caught cheating in an online course. No penalties were imposed on the students involved.

Prepping doesn't begin and end with accessing the test. It starts with getting your kid into an AAPIV center program. Certain high school pyramids have multiple AAPIV centers. Others have none. Then there are middle schools which have in house extracurriculars of the type that appeal to TJ admissions, and which are regularly marketed by outside extracurriculars of the same type. You also have certain middle school teachers who have track records with TJ admissions. Even if you don't know the actual questions that are asked, knowing what to expect can give you a big head start. Many prospective TJ kids don't start looking at getting in when they hit middle school. This is almost too late, as many kids have already started working on their TJ resume well before that.

TJ's college admissions are not impressive when you consider it skims the kids with the highest test scores from all of Fairfax and Loudon Counties and other counties. It only lets kids with high test scores in, so it's no surprise those same kids get high SAT scores. There is no evidence TJ makes kids any smarter.

It's a huge waste of taxpayer dollars. Let the kids go to their regular high schools. If they want a private school environment, let them pay for it.

earth shattering Wrote:
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> William and Mary 33% acceptance rate; Carnegie and
> Mellon 25% acceptance rate; uva 29% acceptance
> rate
>
> that is more than half of your stated number of
> 'elite' students. Not bad but not earth
> shattering especially considering W&M and UVA are
> in state.


Those numbers are just lies.

I know a kid that was not challenged at TJ and drop out after their Junior year and when directly to MIT without even graduating from TJ or any high school.


This kid was not Asian or Indian, just clearly a smart kid that found that TJ was somewhat sub par with regard to teachers and curriculum. TJ also does not want any of the kids to stand out or shine above others, more about trying to keep everyone in the same box.

I have heard from people the even had multiple kids and even twins where one when to TJ and other other(s) went to the local High School. Most felt the local High School was a better overall experience and had better overall teachers.

Interesting when you get a larger perspective from a number of families.

Is it worth the grind commuting to the edge of the county?

Is is worth it if you actually have friends that they are scattered all over the county?

Is is worth it that many of the team sports other than Golf, Swimming and Cross Country have an uphill battle?

Some have good experiences, some don't.

I know a number of kids that is was more about the parents wanting the kids to go to TJ and the kids said "hell no". They all had a good experience at the local High School and went on good colleges.

3NPpx Wrote:
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> Hhhhhgdfhhh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Asian pharmacists Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The secret is a lot of us just pass on TJ.
> > > Non-Asian people that is. Our kids and our
> > > friends have kids that are 2-3 grades ahead
> in
> > > math (and other courses), all honors and dont
> > go
> > > to TJ. We dont pay for tutoring, cheating
> > classes
> > > and we dont really care if our kids get in.
> > >
> > > Why would we want to send our naturally
> genius
> > > kids to an Asian meat grinder with a test
> most
> > > pass by cheating as a barrier? What
> advantage
> > > would it be for our kids to be surrounded buy
> > an
> > > Asian culture like that. Sure the TJ labs
> are
> > > cool but they are not worth having your
> normal
> > kid
> > > surrounded by that spectacle.
> > >
> > > The high school around here offer
> > multi-variable
> > > calculus; basically the first year of college
> > math
> > > for engineering majors. What more do you
> > really
> > > need. In the mean time our kids have summer
> > jobs
> > > and sports to learn about real life.
> > >
> > > Im telling you all TJ is is the best wash-out
> > > program for Asian pharmacists in the country.
> >
> > LOL, TJ Class of 199X here. I do not know a
> > single Asian pharmacist. I do know at least
> 30+
> > medical doctors in my class alone, including an
> > Chinese John Hopkins neurosurgeon. I was a
> hedge
> > fund worker at a top firm (bling bling). Yeah,
> we
> > did okay. LOL, You don't need TJ to become a
> > pharmacist. Where did you come up with that
> > shit?? That said, I'm sending my daughter to
> > Madeira if she gets in and not TJ.
>
> "In 2010-11, females submitted 59.5 percent of the
> applications to pharmacy colleges and schools;
> males submitted 39.4 percent; gender unknown/not
> reported submitted 1.1 percent. White Americans
> submitted 35.5 percent of the applications,
> Asian Americans submitted 35.1 percent of the
> applications, and underrepresented minorities
> submitted 15.2 percent of the applications (black,
> 10.4 percent; Hispanic, 4.4 percent; Native
> Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander, 0.2 percent;
> American Indian/Alaska Native, 0.2 percent). "
> Asian Americans 5.6 percent of the total
> American population


Those aren't TJ's stats fucktard. TJ alums go to med school, not pharmacy school you idiot. I'm a semi-retired hedge fund quant (bling bling). Buy a clue!

BTW, getting bored of my Porsche GT3. Should I get the Ferrari FF or the California T?? The 488GTB is sold out and I don't want to pay a $50,000 premium.

"TJ alum ()

LOL, TJ Class of 199X here. I do not know a
single Asian pharmacist."

Dear genus TJ grad, when you say you "dont know a single Asian pharmacist" and someone presents statistics showing Asians apply for that profession at 7X their abundance in the population its possible someone is correcting your impression that because you dont 'know' any Asian pharmacists you are an idiot.

If you meant to say you dont know any grads from TJ that became pharmacists that would be another statement (one which you appear to have intended). So try using English you douche.

TJ alum()

Why are you trolling a discussion to which you are having difficulty contributing anything of substance? If your car is giving you difficulties, go buy another one. Your assertions of being a "hedge fund worker" and including "bling bling" indicate that you are insecure and looking for validation from a group on a web board - pretty dismal existence I guess...

But maybe that's where the TJ experience leaves you - grasping for validation from fleeting success in extorting high fees for sub-par performance in the hedge fund industry and posing in your car. Do yourself a favor and be responsible and get your child into Madeira so she can grow up to be a responsible, caring and contributing person in the community. It's pretty clear that TJ failed to educate you about the importance of these core values.