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Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
dflksd
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Date: July 26, 2009 04:46PM
Thank God your drunk ass didn't kill anybody, "Chief."
Don't worry, I'm sure this will be thrown out on a technicality.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/26/AR2009072601007.html?hpid=topnews
Don't worry, I'm sure this will be thrown out on a technicality.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/26/AR2009072601007.html?hpid=topnews
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
And so it starts
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Date: July 26, 2009 05:27PM
Let the "stupid cops get all the breaks" whinefest begin. Don't forget a donut and car wash joke, wouldn't be FFX Underground without it.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
TheMeeper
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Date: July 26, 2009 05:53PM
This police chief acted stupidly.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
curious
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Date: July 26, 2009 06:23PM
He has been placed on paid administrative leave-
Fire the fool, plenty of ordinary people have been fired for getting a dui. Set an example Alexandria . . .
Fire the fool, plenty of ordinary people have been fired for getting a dui. Set an example Alexandria . . .
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Lurker.
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Date: July 26, 2009 07:21PM
The new acting Police Chief said, "The chief made bad a decision." Huh? You don't hear that said in court when they pull over other people for DUI's.
Probably the only reason he is actually be charged is he hit another car in his unmarked. Tough for the Police to let him go when another driver is a witness to him being drunk and there is an accident caused by the Chief.
As usual this case will get thrown out of court on some "technical issue."
The chief level was .19, twice the legal limit. http://www.wtop.com/?nid=25&sid=1725877
If one's blood alcohol level was between 0.15 and 0.20, there is a mandatory 5-day jail sentence. If the level was above 0.20, there is a mandatory 10-day jail sentence. In addition, if one had a blood alcohol level of 0.15 and above, he or she will be required to install an ignition interlock device on their vehicle.
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Probably the only reason he is actually be charged is he hit another car in his unmarked. Tough for the Police to let him go when another driver is a witness to him being drunk and there is an accident caused by the Chief.
As usual this case will get thrown out of court on some "technical issue."
The chief level was .19, twice the legal limit. http://www.wtop.com/?nid=25&sid=1725877
If one's blood alcohol level was between 0.15 and 0.20, there is a mandatory 5-day jail sentence. If the level was above 0.20, there is a mandatory 10-day jail sentence. In addition, if one had a blood alcohol level of 0.15 and above, he or she will be required to install an ignition interlock device on their vehicle.
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Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
GMU Hokie
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Date: July 26, 2009 07:32PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> This police chief acted stupidly.
Yes, he did.
His first mistake was excessive consumption of alcohol. There is a big difference between a .08 and a .19. He was genuinely intoxicated.
His second mistake was to take the blood test. As any rookie cop knows, refusal of the blood test can make the DUI charges harder to stick in court although doing so results in another charge; that of refusal.
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> This police chief acted stupidly.
Yes, he did.
His first mistake was excessive consumption of alcohol. There is a big difference between a .08 and a .19. He was genuinely intoxicated.
His second mistake was to take the blood test. As any rookie cop knows, refusal of the blood test can make the DUI charges harder to stick in court although doing so results in another charge; that of refusal.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Otis Campell
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Date: July 26, 2009 07:42PM
It's interesting his level was reported at .19 I'd like to know the time difference between the time he was arrested and actually tested. I'm sure the cops cut him every break they could.
He most likely took the blood test because it is usually lower result than the breath test. Or, maybe he did take the breath test and it registered over .20 so they then did a blood test.
He most likely took the blood test because it is usually lower result than the breath test. Or, maybe he did take the breath test and it registered over .20 so they then did a blood test.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
GMU Hokie
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Date: July 26, 2009 07:59PM
I doubt he took the breath test which is incriminating rather than exculpatory if there is any alcohol in the system.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Mofo
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Date: July 26, 2009 08:13PM
If he hadn't of wrecked you would have never heard about it on public, guaranteed.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Lurker.
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Date: July 26, 2009 08:52PM
It sounds like he just bumped her. Damage was only $900. Of course she claimed whiplash.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Thurston Moore
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Date: July 26, 2009 10:50PM
Lurker. Wrote:
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> It sounds like he just bumped her. Damage was
> only $900. Of course she claimed whiplash.
claiming whiplash and actually having a court appointed physician confirm it are two different things.
But you can't blame her, he hit her with a city owned vehicle, and he's the chief of police. She probably thought she hit the jackpot (or got hit by the jackpot, I suppose.)
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> It sounds like he just bumped her. Damage was
> only $900. Of course she claimed whiplash.
claiming whiplash and actually having a court appointed physician confirm it are two different things.
But you can't blame her, he hit her with a city owned vehicle, and he's the chief of police. She probably thought she hit the jackpot (or got hit by the jackpot, I suppose.)
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Kenny_Powers
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Date: July 27, 2009 06:07AM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> This police chief acted stupidly.
is this obama?
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> This police chief acted stupidly.
is this obama?
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
teehee
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Date: July 27, 2009 09:21AM
Kenny_Powers Wrote:
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> TheMeeper Wrote:
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> > This police chief acted stupidly.
>
>
> is this obama?
keke
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> TheMeeper Wrote:
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> > This police chief acted stupidly.
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>
> is this obama?
keke
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Lurker.
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Date: July 27, 2009 09:22AM
I do feel for the guy. His face has been plastered on every news channel this morning. I wonder if he will resign. Alexandria does have a little of an allowance for DUI's. They let the School super stay after her DWI.
Still don't get why he didn't do what the Fairfax County officer arrested for DWI did when he had his accident and refuse to blow. The Fairfax officer had almost the exact same incident where he hit a truck after a night of drinking.
The Fairfax County officer refused to blow and the case was thrown out without any charges.
Still don't get why he didn't do what the Fairfax County officer arrested for DWI did when he had his accident and refuse to blow. The Fairfax officer had almost the exact same incident where he hit a truck after a night of drinking.
The Fairfax County officer refused to blow and the case was thrown out without any charges.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Lee
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Date: July 27, 2009 09:38AM
Getting arrested for DUI is onething, but refusing to to complete the breathalyzer test would definitely cost him his job.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
yes i blieve so
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Date: July 27, 2009 10:50AM
Lee Wrote:
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> Getting arrested for DUI is onething, but refusing
> to to complete the breathalyzer test would
> definitely cost him his job.
refuse = admitting guilt
then they take you to station and blood test
am i right?
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> Getting arrested for DUI is onething, but refusing
> to to complete the breathalyzer test would
> definitely cost him his job.
refuse = admitting guilt
then they take you to station and blood test
am i right?
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Lee
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Date: July 27, 2009 10:54AM
For him getting locked up for this bad enuff, but it would have been worse if he had refused the test. If you refuse to blow into the machine, you just get charged with a refusal. I believe the only time someone gets taken to the Hospital to have his blood drawn is, if they have a medical condition that would prevent them from blowing into the machine, or something like that. I never understood the reason behind for refusing. Even if you blow x2000 the legal limit you can only get charged with DUI, but refuse it and you get two charges. well, thats just me.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Lurker.
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Date: July 27, 2009 11:02AM
yes i blieve so Wrote:
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> Lee Wrote:
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> > Getting arrested for DUI is onething, but
> refusing
> > to to complete the breathalyzer test would
> > definitely cost him his job.
>
>
> refuse = admitting guilt
> then they take you to station and blood test
>
> am i right?
NO, if you refuse in VA that ends the tests. You do lose your license for a 6 month period but you can not be convict of drunk driving, you are convicted of DUI refusal. This is how the Fairfax Police Officer beat his DUI charge.
In some States refusing means that you will be blood tested against your will anyway, not in VA. Being testing against your will is considered unconstitutional in VA as your right to not incriminate yourself is broken.
FYI - I didn't mean to imply that refusal gets you off scott free, many insurance companies and employers see this as DUI conviction.
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> Lee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Getting arrested for DUI is onething, but
> refusing
> > to to complete the breathalyzer test would
> > definitely cost him his job.
>
>
> refuse = admitting guilt
> then they take you to station and blood test
>
> am i right?
NO, if you refuse in VA that ends the tests. You do lose your license for a 6 month period but you can not be convict of drunk driving, you are convicted of DUI refusal. This is how the Fairfax Police Officer beat his DUI charge.
In some States refusing means that you will be blood tested against your will anyway, not in VA. Being testing against your will is considered unconstitutional in VA as your right to not incriminate yourself is broken.
FYI - I didn't mean to imply that refusal gets you off scott free, many insurance companies and employers see this as DUI conviction.
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Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
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Date: July 27, 2009 11:26AM
The Mayor of Alexandria was on the radio this morning making excuses for this asshole. HE HIT ANOTHER CAR AND INJURED A PERSON!
That right there is grounds for immediate dismissal, in my mind. This isn't a guy who blew .09 after one too many beers. This is a drunk driver who very likely could have killed someone...who happens to be in charge of enforcing drunk driving laws in Alexandria.
If I lived in Alexandria, I would be reaming the Mayor a new one right now.
That right there is grounds for immediate dismissal, in my mind. This isn't a guy who blew .09 after one too many beers. This is a drunk driver who very likely could have killed someone...who happens to be in charge of enforcing drunk driving laws in Alexandria.
If I lived in Alexandria, I would be reaming the Mayor a new one right now.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Lee
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Date: July 27, 2009 11:26AM
Lurker, the original charge of DUI still sticks in addition to the refusal. If it was that easy, no one would be blowing into the machine. Let me add that unless you have a really great lawyer, more than likely you would be found guilty in the 1st one and the refusal. Ok, so one ore two people were able to beat those charges, that doesn't mean everyone will or can.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: July 27, 2009 11:44AM
Lee Wrote:
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> Lurker, the original charge of DUI still sticks in
> addition to the refusal. If it was that easy, no
> one would be blowing into the machine. Let me add
> that unless you have a really great lawyer, more
> than likely you would be found guilty in the 1st
> one and the refusal. Ok, so one ore two people
> were able to beat those charges, that doesn't mean
> everyone will or can.
Yes, you can be "charged of DUI and refusal" however it is difficult to CONVICT a person of "DUI" without any .?? What, just make up a random .?? number? and convict them based on that? Where's the evidence?
Both Sean Taylor and the FairFax Police officers caught have done this and they only got refusal.
The one Fairfax Police officer who refused is still on the force.
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> Lurker, the original charge of DUI still sticks in
> addition to the refusal. If it was that easy, no
> one would be blowing into the machine. Let me add
> that unless you have a really great lawyer, more
> than likely you would be found guilty in the 1st
> one and the refusal. Ok, so one ore two people
> were able to beat those charges, that doesn't mean
> everyone will or can.
Yes, you can be "charged of DUI and refusal" however it is difficult to CONVICT a person of "DUI" without any .?? What, just make up a random .?? number? and convict them based on that? Where's the evidence?
Both Sean Taylor and the FairFax Police officers caught have done this and they only got refusal.
The one Fairfax Police officer who refused is still on the force.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: July 27, 2009 11:52AM
WashingTone-Locian, on the excuses Alexandria officals are making I see another residents "Mayor Barry" lovefest happening.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
lurker took his stupid pills today
()
Date: July 27, 2009 12:01PM
theres such a thing as probable cause. not every...(or any), drunk is stopped at a checkpoint or found after an acc. cops do sometimes... now brace yourself, cops do sometimes actually do some work and actually see these fools out on the roads swerving and generally being nsafe behind the wheel. its their witnessing the driving behaviors that gives them PC for the stop. then they can also see the persons general demeanor, if they are slurring their words and falling over ect. plus the sobriety tests. they can arrest u for dui without having u blow and cn convict u in court based off the officers testimoney as a witness to ur behavior! so just telling ppl that if u refuse u beat the dui charge is like george bush stupid
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: July 27, 2009 12:43PM
And, umm, what DUI are you charging them with exactly? Give me the VA code? What is the conviction on?
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Genevieve
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Date: July 27, 2009 12:44PM
Thurston Moore Wrote:
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> Lurker. Wrote:
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> > It sounds like he just bumped her. Damage was
> > only $900. Of course she claimed whiplash.
>
>
> claiming whiplash and actually having a court
> appointed physician confirm it are two different
> things.
Whiplash isn't uncommon and I would imagine that it is rarely a serious injury. I had whiplash after my golf was hit by an f350 pulling a trailer. I was sore and perhaps a little disoriented. But I was fine within a few days. So I don't understand why your initial reaction is to distrust the woman.
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> Lurker. Wrote:
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> -----
> > It sounds like he just bumped her. Damage was
> > only $900. Of course she claimed whiplash.
>
>
> claiming whiplash and actually having a court
> appointed physician confirm it are two different
> things.
Whiplash isn't uncommon and I would imagine that it is rarely a serious injury. I had whiplash after my golf was hit by an f350 pulling a trailer. I was sore and perhaps a little disoriented. But I was fine within a few days. So I don't understand why your initial reaction is to distrust the woman.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
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Date: July 27, 2009 12:56PM
Genevieve Wrote:
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> Whiplash isn't uncommon and I would imagine that
> it is rarely a serious injury. I had whiplash
> after my golf was hit by an f350 pulling a
> trailer. I was sore and perhaps a little
> disoriented. But I was fine within a few days. So
> I don't understand why your initial reaction is to
> distrust the woman.
I was in an accident once and had whiplash. I didn't notice it at first. About six months later I had this constant crick in my neck and on certain days couldn't turn it to the left. I had this problem for a couple of years. It eventually went away on its own. However, I had a friend who was rear-ended and she ended up having to go through massive physical therapy as a result. It comes down to how hard the vehicle was hit and whether or not the driver was aware of the impending impact and braced for it, or not.
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> Whiplash isn't uncommon and I would imagine that
> it is rarely a serious injury. I had whiplash
> after my golf was hit by an f350 pulling a
> trailer. I was sore and perhaps a little
> disoriented. But I was fine within a few days. So
> I don't understand why your initial reaction is to
> distrust the woman.
I was in an accident once and had whiplash. I didn't notice it at first. About six months later I had this constant crick in my neck and on certain days couldn't turn it to the left. I had this problem for a couple of years. It eventually went away on its own. However, I had a friend who was rear-ended and she ended up having to go through massive physical therapy as a result. It comes down to how hard the vehicle was hit and whether or not the driver was aware of the impending impact and braced for it, or not.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Warhawk
()
Date: July 27, 2009 12:58PM
I find it hard to swallow that people (and especially public figures) are defending this jackass's "bad decision", when if it were you or I in his place, they'd try to nail us hard.
Yes, if you are in law enforcement you should be held to a higher standard. Fire his ass.
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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
Yes, if you are in law enforcement you should be held to a higher standard. Fire his ass.
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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: July 27, 2009 12:59PM
Whiplash can depend a lot on the design of the car seat and headrest. The further back your head travels to the headrest in an accident, the more whiplash you will suffer.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Quam
()
Date: July 27, 2009 01:12PM
The lady he hit is probably one of those who comes to a complete stop on the on ramp before getting on the highway to see if there is a car coming.
The chief probably looked over his shoulder to check for traffic and then looked back to see a stopped car in front of him on the on ramp.
The chief probably looked over his shoulder to check for traffic and then looked back to see a stopped car in front of him on the on ramp.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
RESton Peace
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Date: July 27, 2009 01:57PM
I was medically diagnosed with whiplash twice after super-minor accidents as a kid. It's easy to get.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
officer friendly
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Date: July 27, 2009 11:09PM
Lurker... They get charged on 18.2-266 and you add the charge of unreasonable refusal. The officers testimony on the fact that you were intoxicated is what the conviction is based off of. The only the that the b.a.c. test goes for is additional evidence and helps determine your actual b.a.c. to see how drunk you were... but Ive gotten many convictions with a refusal. Drunk is drunk and so long as officers use their training to articulate how you were there is no way around it.... sorry Lurker... better luck on the next one....
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
RESton Peace
()
Date: July 27, 2009 11:21PM
I agree with officer f, the police will just use more field checks and will not be hindered by this at all if they choose not to be. I think they should just do that anyway regardless.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
graymoose1
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Date: July 28, 2009 10:02PM
Police chief just resigns
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Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Mofo
()
Date: July 28, 2009 11:06PM
Lawyers must be tripping over themselves to represent the woman in the crash. In an accident with a very drunk police chief driving a city vehicle. Jackpot.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: July 28, 2009 11:22PM
Officer friendly, thanks.
My brother, who is a lawyer thinks differently. I have also talked with many hardcore habitual DUI offenders and they think differently also.
So what is the charge? DUI .08-.10? What is the penalty?
I still think a refusal by the Chief would of been better than a .19
@FYI - I like to drink, but when needed I crash at a friends, have a DD or take a taxi(usually $12, bargin).
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My brother, who is a lawyer thinks differently. I have also talked with many hardcore habitual DUI offenders and they think differently also.
So what is the charge? DUI .08-.10? What is the penalty?
I still think a refusal by the Chief would of been better than a .19
@FYI - I like to drink, but when needed I crash at a friends, have a DD or take a taxi(usually $12, bargin).
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Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
RCG239
()
Date: July 28, 2009 11:23PM
inexcusable.
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Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Thurston Moore
()
Date: July 29, 2009 12:17AM
RCG239 Wrote:
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> this pisses me off...inexcusable.
At least he did the respectable thing, and resigned. Hopefully he also does the respectable thing in court, and pleads guilty, without a lawyer, and throws himself at the mercy of the court.
This is like the head of the DEA or the head of the ONDCP being busted with marijuana.
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> this pisses me off...inexcusable.
At least he did the respectable thing, and resigned. Hopefully he also does the respectable thing in court, and pleads guilty, without a lawyer, and throws himself at the mercy of the court.
This is like the head of the DEA or the head of the ONDCP being busted with marijuana.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
haha
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Date: July 29, 2009 01:49AM
This guy a regular smarty pants. I pig look at me, look at me, I do what I want and never get held accountable for my action. NOT.
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Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Borat
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Date: July 29, 2009 01:53AM
Whya you call police? Did the retard escape?
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Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
where was your gun
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Date: July 29, 2009 02:31PM
The news reports said his gun was loked in his locker at the station - ya right this durnk was driving around with a loaded gun and that's why he retired rather than being fired. They think we are stupid.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: August 04, 2009 04:37PM
what an asshole.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Arlington County General District (Pay Online)
Traffic Case Details Page : GT09029330-00
| Case Number: GT09029330-00 | File Date: 07/27/2009 | Complainant: HARMSEN, L | Locality: COMMONWEALTH OF VA |
| Defendant: BAKER, DAVID P. | Defense Attorney: JAMES CLARK | ||
| Address: GAITHERSBURG MD 20878 | |||
| Sex: Male | Race: White Caucasian(Non-Hispanic) | DOB: 10/24/**** | |
| Charge: DWI, 1ST | Code Section: A.18.2-266 | Case Type: Misdemeanor | Class: 1 |
| Amended Charge: | Amended Code: | Amended Case Type: | |
| Offense Date: 07/25/2009 | Arrest Date: 07/26/2009 | ||
| Hearings | ||||||||
| Number | Date | Time | Result | Hearing Type | Courtroom | Plea | Min | Continuance Code |
| 01 | 07/29/2009 | 10:00 AM | Continued | Arraignment | 3A | 000 | ||
| 02 | 08/14/2009 | 11:00 AM | 3A | 000 | ||||
| Final Disposition in District Court: | Fines/Costs Paid: | Fine/Costs Paid Date: |
| Sentence Time: 00Months 000Days 00Hours | Sentence Suspension Time: 00Months 000Days 00Hours | Operator License Suspension Time: 00Years 00Months 000Days |
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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: August 04, 2009 04:59PM
He's retiring early with FULL BENEFITS, Sweet deal.
Interesting he didn't plead. So it looks like he was going to Gaithersburg, MD from Alexandria.
Oh and I'll have to make a note of the lawyer he got. LOL
James C. Clark practices in the following areas of law: Criminal Law; Personal Injury Law
Admitted: 1976, Virginia; 1978, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Virginia
Law School: University of Richmond, J.D., 1976
College: Bridgewater College, B.A., 1972
Member: Alexandria Bar Association; Virginia State Bar; Virginia College of Criminal Defense Attorneys.
Biography: Instructor, National Institute for Trial Advocacy, 1989. Virginia State Bar Faculty on Professionalism, 1998-2000. Lecturer, Virginia CLE Programs on the Insanity Defense, Defending Criminal Cases and Defense of Drunk Driving Cases and Criminal Sentencing, Legal Ethics, 1987—. Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney, Alexandria, 1976-1978. Listed in, Best Criminal Lawyers in America, 1991—. Member: Substance Abuse Advisory Committee, Alexandria School Board, 1998-1999; Board of Directors, Alexandria Bar Foundation, 1989-1992.
Born: Alexandria, Virginia, July 18, 1950
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Interesting he didn't plead. So it looks like he was going to Gaithersburg, MD from Alexandria.
Oh and I'll have to make a note of the lawyer he got. LOL
James C. Clark practices in the following areas of law: Criminal Law; Personal Injury Law
Admitted: 1976, Virginia; 1978, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Virginia
Law School: University of Richmond, J.D., 1976
College: Bridgewater College, B.A., 1972
Member: Alexandria Bar Association; Virginia State Bar; Virginia College of Criminal Defense Attorneys.
Biography: Instructor, National Institute for Trial Advocacy, 1989. Virginia State Bar Faculty on Professionalism, 1998-2000. Lecturer, Virginia CLE Programs on the Insanity Defense, Defending Criminal Cases and Defense of Drunk Driving Cases and Criminal Sentencing, Legal Ethics, 1987—. Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney, Alexandria, 1976-1978. Listed in, Best Criminal Lawyers in America, 1991—. Member: Substance Abuse Advisory Committee, Alexandria School Board, 1998-1999; Board of Directors, Alexandria Bar Foundation, 1989-1992.
Born: Alexandria, Virginia, July 18, 1950
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Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: August 07, 2009 02:28PM
This sure dropped out of the headlines quick
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
tubby
()
Date: August 07, 2009 02:56PM
Jester Wrote:
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> This sure dropped out of the headlines quick
What is there to write about??
He resigned and his case hasn't come up yet in court....what do you want, a story about whether he's enjoying his retirement?
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> This sure dropped out of the headlines quick
What is there to write about??
He resigned and his case hasn't come up yet in court....what do you want, a story about whether he's enjoying his retirement?
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
lucky luciano
()
Date: August 12, 2009 12:50PM
The defense team is excellent. Word is, he defended a High School coach who was out drinking with a bunch of High School girls this past year - Coach kept his job. So it is his speciality to defend drunks.
He probably will get his job back or the Chief will be a coach at the High School.
He probably will get his job back or the Chief will be a coach at the High School.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: August 12, 2009 02:00PM
This Friday at 11am is the next hearing. I wonder if it will get continued again.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/12/2009 02:00PM by Lurker..
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Alex resident
()
Date: August 16, 2009 09:49AM
the chief pled guilty. 5 days in jail in a separated cell.
I think he realized the longer it stays in the news the less likely he keeps his pension.
Jim Clark could stammer his way out of this one.
I think he realized the longer it stays in the news the less likely he keeps his pension.
Jim Clark could stammer his way out of this one.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: August 16, 2009 01:56PM
5 days? only 5 days?! BULLSHIT!
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/16/2009 02:06PM by Gravis.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Really?
()
Date: August 17, 2009 03:14PM
He's a first time offender with no criminal record and 5 days is the mandatory minimum. He also pled guilty, and thus waived trial and the right to challenge the authenticity of a breathsheet against him. He didn't force a trial at taxpayer expense which he has every right to do. He didn't hide behind a defense attorney for something he knew he did anyways like you would do. You do realize brainiac that if his BAC was lower than .15 he wouldn't have done a day in jail. So by all means limpdick, explain why you think it's bullshit that the man stepped up and took his punishment like a man and admitted he did something wrong. I know it's difficult, but maybe try doing it without one of your lame-ass copy and pasted cartoons, or a donut or carwash comment.
And oh by the way, didn't have any connection to Fairfax either.
And oh by the way, didn't have any connection to Fairfax either.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Lurker...
()
Date: August 17, 2009 03:32PM
I'll go on the record and say the Chief took his DUI like a man. I actually feel a little sorry for the guy.
Surprised also that the judge handed out the full sentence to the Chief. I wonder if the judge was a little pissed at the Chief for making such a mockery out of the City and driving a "city vehicle" at the time.
Surprised also that the judge handed out the full sentence to the Chief. I wonder if the judge was a little pissed at the Chief for making such a mockery out of the City and driving a "city vehicle" at the time.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Emeritus Q. Beaker
()
Date: August 17, 2009 03:37PM
Yea, 5 days is pretty standard. He gets a separate cell because he's "high-profile". 'Course, we'd never have known about this if he hadn't hit another car. I heard he was alllll kinds of fucked up, could barely stand kinda drunk...
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Mofo
()
Date: August 17, 2009 03:58PM
How many judges suspend 175 days of the sentence $1200 in fines and give the minimum available by law to the average Joe??
Even if they have no record and plead guilty.
Where's MADD and citizens DUI patrol when you need them?
Anyone who doesn't think this is preferential treatment?
"Clarke accepted the plea without comment during a brief hearing, sentencing Baker to 180 days in jail and imposing a fine of $1,500. The judge suspended 175 days of the sentence, meaning Baker will have to serve the mandatory five-day minimum sentence for driving at such a high level of intoxication. Clarke also suspended all but $300 of the fine and ordered Baker to attend the county's Alcohol Safety Action Program for DUI offenders. Baker will also lose his driver's license for the next year".
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Even if they have no record and plead guilty.
Where's MADD and citizens DUI patrol when you need them?
Anyone who doesn't think this is preferential treatment?
"Clarke accepted the plea without comment during a brief hearing, sentencing Baker to 180 days in jail and imposing a fine of $1,500. The judge suspended 175 days of the sentence, meaning Baker will have to serve the mandatory five-day minimum sentence for driving at such a high level of intoxication. Clarke also suspended all but $300 of the fine and ordered Baker to attend the county's Alcohol Safety Action Program for DUI offenders. Baker will also lose his driver's license for the next year".
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Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
joe woa
()
Date: August 17, 2009 04:14PM
this is a usual sentance for first time dui
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
joe woa
()
Date: August 17, 2009 04:20PM
i am suprised he did not get more time because people were injured and property was damaged in the crash
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
RESton Peace
()
Date: August 17, 2009 04:56PM
I don't feel sorry for him but this continual need I see from people for the most extreme punishments to be given out... I mean, shit, it must be great to be so fucking perfect and know better than judges.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Mofo
()
Date: August 17, 2009 05:58PM
RESton Peace Wrote:
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> I don't feel sorry for him but this continual need
> I see from people for the most extreme punishments
> to be given out... I mean, shit, it must be great
> to be so fucking perfect and know better than
> judges.
I personally don't believe punishments need to be extreme in every case but a double standard of any punishment nullifies all punishments.
And it's not punishment, it's rehabilitation remember. The best way to make criminals stop commit crimes is to lock them in 5' x 9's with other criminals where they can network and perfect their skills of law breaking with fellow enthusiasts.
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> I don't feel sorry for him but this continual need
> I see from people for the most extreme punishments
> to be given out... I mean, shit, it must be great
> to be so fucking perfect and know better than
> judges.
I personally don't believe punishments need to be extreme in every case but a double standard of any punishment nullifies all punishments.
And it's not punishment, it's rehabilitation remember. The best way to make criminals stop commit crimes is to lock them in 5' x 9's with other criminals where they can network and perfect their skills of law breaking with fellow enthusiasts.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/17/2009 05:59PM by Mofo.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
RESton Peace
()
Date: August 17, 2009 06:17PM
there is no double standard here. the guy got the same five days everyone else gets for the extreme dui.
but I agree with the rest.
but I agree with the rest.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Just a hunch
()
Date: August 17, 2009 06:39PM
But I'm guessing he didn't get a maximum sentence because he spent 19 years of his life serving the community. It's not like he's Mike Vick or something.
Yeah and for the record I'm not pro-cop. I got my first DWI two years ago and it was after I rear-ended a car in front of me. I got no jail time, ASAP, a suspended license for a year and paid about $350. And I was happy about it because I deserved it. But as my lawyer told me it was a standard sentence. So quit crying about it just because he's a cop...get over yourself.
Yeah and for the record I'm not pro-cop. I got my first DWI two years ago and it was after I rear-ended a car in front of me. I got no jail time, ASAP, a suspended license for a year and paid about $350. And I was happy about it because I deserved it. But as my lawyer told me it was a standard sentence. So quit crying about it just because he's a cop...get over yourself.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Genevieve
()
Date: August 17, 2009 06:55PM
Lurker... Wrote:
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> I'll go on the record and say the Chief took his
> DUI like a man. I actually feel a little sorry
> for the guy.
I'm glad that he plead guilty and received a somewhat typical sentence. However, I don't feel sorry for him. If anything, I wish that the minimum punishment was more severe for anyone with a BAC that high.
I suggest everyone buy a breathalyzer. They are a hell of a lot cheaper than a DUI.
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> I'll go on the record and say the Chief took his
> DUI like a man. I actually feel a little sorry
> for the guy.
I'm glad that he plead guilty and received a somewhat typical sentence. However, I don't feel sorry for him. If anything, I wish that the minimum punishment was more severe for anyone with a BAC that high.
I suggest everyone buy a breathalyzer. They are a hell of a lot cheaper than a DUI.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
REally??
()
Date: August 18, 2009 08:18AM
Feel sorry for him? He is suppose to uphold the law. This is not just a beat cop, he was the chief of police.
Suppose he killed someone? He ran right into her car on an exit ramp - failed 4 field sobriety tests and tested at .19 -- over twice the legal limit.
No sympathy here.
Suppose he killed someone? He ran right into her car on an exit ramp - failed 4 field sobriety tests and tested at .19 -- over twice the legal limit.
No sympathy here.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
SRE
()
Date: August 18, 2009 01:05PM
Just a hunch Wrote:
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> ... I got my
> first DWI two years ago and it was after I
> rear-ended a car in front of me.
Your First DWI??? What did you get for your second?
(Not judging... just wondering about your choice of words!)
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> ... I got my
> first DWI two years ago and it was after I
> rear-ended a car in front of me.
Your First DWI??? What did you get for your second?
(Not judging... just wondering about your choice of words!)
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: August 18, 2009 01:08PM
I think this is one of the rare instances where justice was served in terms of a member of law enforcement breaking the law. I feel bad for the guy because he squandered in one night what it took him 40 years to build. I don't feel sorry for his quitting or for his punishment.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
ITRADE
()
Date: August 18, 2009 01:11PM
He's retiring with full benefits. He will consult for law enforcement agencies making as much as me made as a sworn officer.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
REally?
()
Date: August 18, 2009 03:28PM
Would you feel bad if if he killed someone? I think not.
This man is in his mid-to late 50's. Old enough to know better. Lord knows how many times he has driven drunk. I highly doubt that this is "freak occurance"
This is the fist time he got caught and the only reason he got caught was because he was not in Alexandria. Believe me, this guy has been lucky.
This man is in his mid-to late 50's. Old enough to know better. Lord knows how many times he has driven drunk. I highly doubt that this is "freak occurance"
This is the fist time he got caught and the only reason he got caught was because he was not in Alexandria. Believe me, this guy has been lucky.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: August 18, 2009 04:41PM
Mofo Wrote:
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> And it's not punishment, it's rehabilitation
> remember. The best way to make criminals stop
> commit crimes is to lock them in 5' x 9's with
> other criminals where they can network and perfect
> their skills of law breaking with fellow
> enthusiasts.
How is the Chief suppose to perfect his drinking in jail? This is only going to decrease his tollerance level. When the Chief gets out, one beer and he's drunk as a skunk. (Whatever a drunk skunk looks like... never seen one)
We should be building his tollerance for alcohol so he doesn't hit other cars again. At least a 12 pack a day.
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> And it's not punishment, it's rehabilitation
> remember. The best way to make criminals stop
> commit crimes is to lock them in 5' x 9's with
> other criminals where they can network and perfect
> their skills of law breaking with fellow
> enthusiasts.
How is the Chief suppose to perfect his drinking in jail? This is only going to decrease his tollerance level. When the Chief gets out, one beer and he's drunk as a skunk. (Whatever a drunk skunk looks like... never seen one)
We should be building his tollerance for alcohol so he doesn't hit other cars again. At least a 12 pack a day.
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Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: August 18, 2009 04:48PM
Genevieve Wrote:
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> I suggest everyone buy a breathalyzer. They are a
> hell of a lot cheaper than a DUI.
I think I've proven that breathalyzer is useless. LOL Nobody is going to stand around for an hour after drinking waiting to see what their BAC is before deciding to drive home.
Even after just one sip of the margarita that thing was .18
Now if there was a way to get an accurate reading instantly that would be a different story.
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> I suggest everyone buy a breathalyzer. They are a
> hell of a lot cheaper than a DUI.
I think I've proven that breathalyzer is useless. LOL Nobody is going to stand around for an hour after drinking waiting to see what their BAC is before deciding to drive home.
Even after just one sip of the margarita that thing was .18
Now if there was a way to get an accurate reading instantly that would be a different story.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
RESton Peace
()
Date: August 18, 2009 04:56PM
Lurker, you were so drunk the night we tested that breathalyzer, that I must say you have zero credibility and that you don't know shit about how anything worked that night. At one point, you weren't even speaking intelligibly. I haven't seen someone that drunk since college.
The handheld is a very good tool... it works well. It requires half an hour and that stuff about the margarita sip affecting it is Lurker's way of introducing exaggeration into this to make his point.
The handheld is a very good tool... it works well. It requires half an hour and that stuff about the margarita sip affecting it is Lurker's way of introducing exaggeration into this to make his point.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: August 18, 2009 07:19PM
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Dwi
()
Date: August 19, 2009 09:43AM
In VA a 3rd subsequent Dui and you are required to install breathlyzer in you car for you condition sentencing. You blow into it, or the ingnition won't start. I dunno if Arlington Count is gonna require him to install one. Or was it for habitual offenders, I dunno.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: August 19, 2009 10:28AM
I can't see people at a bar, dinner or party saying, "Ok I'm ready to go now I'll just hang around for half an hour and not drink anything while I wait to use my breathalyzer."
As for the car breathalyzer, the judge can order a car breathalyzer for a first offense depending upon the BAC. The car breathalyzer records any attempt to start the car with alcohol on your breath. The results are turned into an office and reviewed. Just one attempt and the offender could be facing more penalties.
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As for the car breathalyzer, the judge can order a car breathalyzer for a first offense depending upon the BAC. The car breathalyzer records any attempt to start the car with alcohol on your breath. The results are turned into an office and reviewed. Just one attempt and the offender could be facing more penalties.
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Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Genevieve
()
Date: August 19, 2009 07:39PM
Lurker. Wrote:
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> I can't see people at a bar, dinner or party
> saying, "Ok I'm ready to go now I'll just hang
> around for half an hour and not drink anything
> while I wait to use my breathalyzer."
Most people have stopped drinking within 30 minutes of leaving, so they don't have to wait to check their BAC.
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> I can't see people at a bar, dinner or party
> saying, "Ok I'm ready to go now I'll just hang
> around for half an hour and not drink anything
> while I wait to use my breathalyzer."
Most people have stopped drinking within 30 minutes of leaving, so they don't have to wait to check their BAC.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
dieing breed
()
Date: December 24, 2012 11:32AM
give the poor guy a break! he's been serving the public a long time! I haven't heard of any other crimes the guy commited! he's a hero!
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
JohnnyLaw
()
Date: December 24, 2012 11:38AM
dieing breed Wrote:
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> give the poor guy a break! he's been serving the
> public a long time! I haven't heard of any other
> crimes the guy commited! he's a hero!
Why did you just comment on a 3 year old post?
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> give the poor guy a break! he's been serving the
> public a long time! I haven't heard of any other
> crimes the guy commited! he's a hero!
Why did you just comment on a 3 year old post?
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Budd Dwyer
()
Date: December 24, 2012 11:39AM
dieing breed Wrote:
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> give the poor guy a break! he's been serving the
> public a long time! I haven't heard of any other
> crimes the guy commited! he's a hero!
Yeah, give the guy a break...Hey man, nice shot.
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> give the poor guy a break! he's been serving the
> public a long time! I haven't heard of any other
> crimes the guy commited! he's a hero!
Yeah, give the guy a break...Hey man, nice shot.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Agreed--sort of
()
Date: December 24, 2012 11:59AM
Fo realz
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Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
Pious Parent
()
Date: December 24, 2012 01:53PM
How awful.....I'll be praying for him.
Re: Alexandria police chief arrested for DUI
Posted by:
dieing breed
()
Date: December 24, 2012 04:45PM
Why you did you read up on a three year old subject when you could be reading about the Texas state troopers that raped two women in plain view on the side of the road. They call that a legal body cavity search on two with one glove. BECAUSE I JUST LOVE COPS JOHNNY LAW, DON"T YOU!!!