New to the area and wanted to know where I could get jacketed hollow point ammunition locally?

I found a place in Chantilly called Blue Ridge Arsenel but it looks like they are charging and arm and a leg for less quality ammunition.

They were selling a 20 round box of Federal JHPs for 35-40 a box. Is that what everyone else is selling them for?

Derek Bell Wrote:
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> New to the area and wanted to know where I could
> get jacketed hollow point ammunition locally?
>
> I found a place in Chantilly called Blue Ridge
> Arsenel but it looks like they are charging and
> arm and a leg for less quality ammunition.
>
> They were selling a 20 round box of Federal JHPs
> for 35-40 a box. Is that what everyone else is
> selling them for?

Gilbert's Small Arms Range is where I usually go.

Beware, though; QUALITY ammo around here, in general, is scarce and expensive. Gilbert's only sells one box of handgun ammo (9mm, .40, .45) per customer per day.

You can go online and get a bunch of Wolf ammo, but I have never heard anything good about that brand from anyone who doesn't hate their weapon.

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Yeah, ammo is hard to find. EVERYBODY has raised their prices, but I wouldn't pay that much for ammo.

Your best bet is to just order some online and wait the four months it will take to arrive.

Shotgun and rifle rounds still seem to be pretty abundant, but handgun ammo is scarce.

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Thanks! I'll def check Gilberts out. All I really need is one or two boxes of the defense round for now.

As for Wolf, I stay away from that. Had a terrible experience after 15-20 rounds. I put a cartridge thru a Glock 19 and ended up scrubbing away for a few hours just to get the gun back to its normal condition.




MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Derek Bell Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > New to the area and wanted to know where I
> could
> > get jacketed hollow point ammunition locally?
> >
> > I found a place in Chantilly called Blue Ridge
> > Arsenel but it looks like they are charging and
> > arm and a leg for less quality ammunition.
> >
> > They were selling a 20 round box of Federal
> JHPs
> > for 35-40 a box. Is that what everyone else is
> > selling them for?
>
> Gilbert's Small Arms Range is where I usually go.
>
>
> Beware, though; QUALITY ammo around here, in
> general, is scarce and expensive. Gilbert's only
> sells one box of handgun ammo (9mm, .40, .45) per
> customer per day.
>
> You can go online and get a bunch of Wolf ammo,
> but I have never heard anything good about that
> brand from anyone who doesn't hate their weapon.

Ask Rasheed Nurse, he knows where to get the best ammo to shoot people with!

I am in the same boat. I used to just pick up the 100rd box a wall-mart for $45 It so bad now ,Im thinking about buying a reloading press.

I finally gave up and ordered 500 rounds of .45 ACP hollow (rem) and ball point (winch) from "Cheaper than Dirt"

It cost me a couple hundred in ammo and shipping. But if the zombies come, Ill be ready...



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Take a Stand Wrote:
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> I am in the same boat. I used to just pick up the
> 100rd box a wall-mart for $45 It so bad now ,Im
> thinking about buying a reloading press.
>
> I finally gave up and ordered 500 rounds of .45
> ACP hollow (rem) and ball point (winch) from
> "Cheaper than Dirt"
>
> It cost me a couple hundred in ammo and shipping.
> But if the zombies come, Ill be ready...

In the event of social collapse/zombie infestation, my plan is to use my small amount of ammo to kill someone who's been stockpiling.

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Why do you suppose handgun ammo is so scarce? Is it more lucrative for the manufacturers to make less and sell for more?

I mean it's not like the stuff is hard to make or the raw materials are scarce. I believe they could meet the demand if they wanted to. Run three shifts, for cryin out loud.

I think it's phony...they just want to gouge the gun nuts, they know they'll pay whatever.

Those anti-gun nutjobs will lie, cheat, steal and say and do whatever to advance their bullshit. My definition of gun-control is hitting on of those ignorant bastards smack between the eyes at 100 paces.

lol at the gun-control freaks. Such phony saks of shit.

tubby Wrote:
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> Why do you suppose handgun ammo is so scarce? Is
> it more lucrative for the manufacturers to make
> less and sell for more?

Someone once said something like, "Obama's done more for gun shop owners than the NRA has."

Gun nuts are worried that a democratic president means all of their guns are about to be ripped from their cold dead fingers. So, they run to the store to stock up on ammo. Normal people see how hard it is to get, and start buying more ammo to save money before the price starts rising.

A guy at Gilbert's, for example, told me that if they sold all of the ammunition that people wanted to buy, they wouldn't have anything left to sell. They make money from being a shooting range, as well, so no ammo = no range fees = less profit.

I could go on, but I'm sure you can see the domino effect.

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Anti-gun nutjobs are hysterically worried that a GOP Chief Justice means all of the protest sign will be in their cold dead hands once the "coming firing"sign comes from the USSC.

Quote

In the event of social collapse/zombie infestation, my plan is to use my small amount of ammo to kill someone who's been stockpiling.

that is genius.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Someone once said something like, "Obama's done
> more for gun shop owners than the NRA has."
>
> Gun nuts are worried that a democratic president
> means all of their guns are about to be ripped
> from their cold dead fingers. So, they run to the
> store to stock up on ammo. Normal people see how
> hard it is to get, and start buying more ammo to
> save money before the price starts rising.
>


I still don't get it. We hardly manufacture anything in this country anymore, and what we do make, nobody wants...like our fucking cars.

So here we have a product we make that is in super high demand, and we can't (or won't) meet it. Run three fucking shifts around the clock in ammo factories. Unemployment is through the roof, so they can't say they can't get enough help.

I smell a rat!


This all reminds me of my dear great-aunt Mamie....she was working in the Winchester factory in New Haven CT during World War I, and got shot! Some machine hit a cartridge wrong and POW...shot her right through her left hand. The old folks talked about that for YEARS.

Derek Bell Wrote:
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> New to the area and wanted to know where I could
> get jacketed hollow point ammunition locally?
>
> I found a place in Chantilly called Blue Ridge
> Arsenel but it looks like they are charging and
> arm and a leg for less quality ammunition.
>
> They were selling a 20 round box of Federal JHPs
> for 35-40 a box. Is that what everyone else is
> selling them for?


Some of the hardest hitting ammo, and high quality at that, happens to be Double-Tap, and Buffalo Bore.

GO ONLINE YOU CAN FIND BETTER DEALS, OR THE GUN SHOW ON THE FIRST DAY OTHERWISE THEY USALLY RUN OUT

It's Hoarding. I was the third person in line at Wal-Mart the morning they got some ammo in (I call every day), and the two in front of me bought out their entire stock. Winchester says that they've added an extra shift to produce more to keep up with the demand, but it's all purchaed as soon as it leaves the factory.

I was told by a gunstore in Manassas that my used gen1 glock will sell for about as much used as I could buy a new gen3 model, if i was willing to wait the 4-8 months backlog in orders.

People are panic buying left and right. Probably because all the construction projects that the stimulus package is paying for is bound to dig up an indian burial ground, unearth a glowing green meteorite, or tunnel into a long forgotten pathway to another dimension, and any of those can lead to Zombies! Damn Right I'm stocking up! As a gun owner, i've been told I don't have a brain, so at least I'm safe until the smarty-pants intellectual liberals are all eaten up. Hopefully they'll all be fat and slow from gorging, and I won't need a whole lot of rounds

The NRA would never say anything like, "Hey guys, good work. Through the efforts of your letters, your contributions, and your votes, we have been able to beat back the forces of gun control around the country. President Obama even signed a bill authorizing loaded carry in our national parks. Combine this with the decision in DC v. Heller, and our right to keep and bear arms is the safest it has been in decades."

Nope, it's always, "YOUR GUNS ARE ONE STEP FROM BEING TAKEN AWAY!" Why is the gun rights lobby any different from any other lobby? Is it because conservatives and libertarians agree with it?

formerhick76 Wrote:
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> The NRA would never say anything like, "Hey guys,
> good work. Through the efforts of your letters,
> your contributions, and your votes, we have been
> able to beat back the forces of gun control around
> the country. President Obama even signed a bill
> authorizing loaded carry in our national parks.
> Combine this with the decision in DC v. Heller,
> and our right to keep and bear arms is the safest
> it has been in decades."
>
> Nope, it's always, "YOUR GUNS ARE ONE STEP FROM
> BEING TAKEN AWAY!" Why is the gun rights lobby any
> different from any other lobby? Is it because
> conservatives and libertarians agree with it?


All it takes is one piece of garbage legislation from a Pelosi/Obama run government, for people to face severely restricted gun rights. Look at how much is "changing" within only seven months of a newly minted Executive Branch, and you can imagine the concerns which people have for how we might fare three years from now.

ThePackLeader Wrote:
> All it takes is one piece of garbage legislation
> from a Pelosi/Obama run government, for people to
> face severely restricted gun rights. Look at how
> much is "changing" within only seven months of a
> newly minted Executive Branch, and you can imagine
> the concerns which people have for how we might
> fare three years from now.

In other words, even though there hasn't been any real threat (and gun control's high tide was the assault weapon ban in what, 1994?) there might be at some unspecified point in the future. I had forgotten about the assault weapon ban's effect on the 1994 elections. I don't think Obama is dumb enough to try and propose that, or even Pelosi, but I can't say the same about the progressives. The gun grabbers are the Democratic equivalent of the Republicans screaming about 'real Americans,' they make the other 75% of American feel uncomfortable.

Dicks has good deals on there shotgun ammo and some deals on rifle ammo. Clark brothers has a variety of all ammo including handgun ammo but it isnt the cheapest.

ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> formerhick76 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The NRA would never say anything like, "Hey
> guys,
> > good work. Through the efforts of your letters,
> > your contributions, and your votes, we have
> been
> > able to beat back the forces of gun control
> around
> > the country. President Obama even signed a bill
> > authorizing loaded carry in our national parks.
> > Combine this with the decision in DC v. Heller,
> > and our right to keep and bear arms is the
> safest
> > it has been in decades."
> >
> > Nope, it's always, "YOUR GUNS ARE ONE STEP FROM
> > BEING TAKEN AWAY!" Why is the gun rights lobby
> any
> > different from any other lobby? Is it because
> > conservatives and libertarians agree with it?
>
>
> All it takes is one piece of garbage legislation
> from a Pelosi/Obama run government, for people to
> face severely restricted gun rights. Look at how
> much is "changing" within only seven months of a
> newly minted Executive Branch, and you can imagine
> the concerns which people have for how we might
> fare three years from now.


Precisely. Some of us remember what happened when the Brady Bill passed.
The ink wasnt even dry yet when the Dems trotted out "Brady II", a VERY
draconian and unconstitutional proposal. Fortunately, Newt engineered
a Rep takeover of the House and Brady II was dead. Later, the SCOTUS
declared 1/2 of Brady I unconstitutional.

History has a tendency to repeat itself and if you think Pelosi/Obama
wouldnt try to disarm us all, take a look at H. R. 45 as it sits waiting
for the right moment. Reid, I think knows better as he is from Nevada,
a very pro-gun state, but when you throw in all the slobbering N. E.
Yankee liberals like Hillary, Schumer, et al, nobody would be allowed
firearms if they had their way. (that is except their own bodyguards)

Here's H. R. 45 http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show

www.sportsmansguide.com

www.cheaperthandirt.com

www.cabelas.com

Lock&Load Wrote:
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> ThePackLeader Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > formerhick76 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The NRA would never say anything like, "Hey
> > guys,
> > > good work. Through the efforts of your
> letters,
> > > your contributions, and your votes, we have
> > been
> > > able to beat back the forces of gun control
> > around
> > > the country. President Obama even signed a
> bill
> > > authorizing loaded carry in our national
> parks.
> > > Combine this with the decision in DC v.
> Heller,
> > > and our right to keep and bear arms is the
> > safest
> > > it has been in decades."
> > >
> > > Nope, it's always, "YOUR GUNS ARE ONE STEP
> FROM
> > > BEING TAKEN AWAY!" Why is the gun rights
> lobby
> > any
> > > different from any other lobby? Is it because
> > > conservatives and libertarians agree with it?
> >
> >
> > All it takes is one piece of garbage
> legislation
> > from a Pelosi/Obama run government, for people
> to
> > face severely restricted gun rights. Look at
> how
> > much is "changing" within only seven months of
> a
> > newly minted Executive Branch, and you can
> imagine
> > the concerns which people have for how we might
> > fare three years from now.
>
>
> Precisely. Some of us remember what happened when
> the Brady Bill passed.
> The ink wasnt even dry yet when the Dems trotted
> out "Brady II", a VERY
> draconian and unconstitutional proposal.
> Fortunately, Newt engineered
> a Rep takeover of the House and Brady II was dead.
> Later, the SCOTUS
> declared 1/2 of Brady I unconstitutional.
>
> History has a tendency to repeat itself and if you
> think Pelosi/Obama
> wouldnt try to disarm us all, take a look at H. R.
> 45 as it sits waiting
> for the right moment. Reid, I think knows better
> as he is from Nevada,
> a very pro-gun state, but when you throw in all
> the slobbering N. E.
> Yankee liberals like Hillary, Schumer, et al,
> nobody would be allowed
> firearms if they had their way. (that is except
> their own bodyguards)
>
> Here's H. R. 45
> http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show


I always find it so ironic that some of the most anti-gun liberals are from the NE, yet it's the very place where the Patriots first took up arms against the British during the Revolution. The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia is another problem altogether.

Lock&Load Wrote:
> Precisely. Some of us remember what happened when
> the Brady Bill passed.
> The ink wasnt even dry yet when the Dems trotted
> out "Brady II", a VERY
> draconian and unconstitutional proposal.
> Fortunately, Newt engineered
> a Rep takeover of the House and Brady II was dead.
> Later, the SCOTUS
> declared 1/2 of Brady I unconstitutional.
>
> History has a tendency to repeat itself and if you
> think Pelosi/Obama
> wouldnt try to disarm us all, take a look at H. R.
> 45 as it sits waiting
> for the right moment. Reid, I think knows better
> as he is from Nevada,
> a very pro-gun state, but when you throw in all
> the slobbering N. E.
> Yankee liberals like Hillary, Schumer, et al,
> nobody would be allowed
> firearms if they had their way. (that is except
> their own bodyguards)
>
> Here's H. R. 45
> http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show

If the House or Senate leadership are dumb enough to let this see the light of day then they deserve whatever they get.

As it stands right now it is sitting around with the other bills that Congressmen introduce more as a statement than having an actual chance to get passed (e.g. the Fairtax bill that I'm sure someone has introduced.)

But ... these bills do serve to animate both fanatical supporters and opponents of an issue, which even with gun control/abortion/gay marriage amount to maybe 20% of the population.

Actually what seems to make a population more favorable to gun control (either for their locality or their entire country) is population density.

Another interesting thing would be for a liberal Dem to introduce an amendment allowing open carry of loaded weapons in Congress.



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formerhick76 Wrote:
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> Lock&Load Wrote:> amount to maybe 20% of the population.
>
> Actually what seems to make a population more
> favorable to gun control (either for their
> locality or their entire country) is population
> density.
>
> Another interesting thing would be for a liberal
> Dem to introduce an amendment allowing open carry
> of loaded weapons in Congress.

You are right about population density but I think another important factor
is familiarity. It sometimes amazes me when I encounter people from cities
like NYC who have never seen a firearm except for those carried by police
and military or perhaps witnessed an armed robbery. Here in Fairfax, we
at least have some ranges where people can go and shoot. Over the years,
I've made an effort to introduce quite a few folks to their first experience
with firearms, especially my kids friends. Once they realize that no, its
not a weapon of mass destruction that has its own mind, they start to soften
up and come around. One guy in particular was 14 when I taught him to shoot
and hunt. He's 30 now and in the process of teaching his wife to hunt also.

Your suggestion that a Dem introduce open carry in the Congress sounds like
a good idea, but I'm afraid they'd want to re-introduce dueling as a means
to settle disputes. I couldnt help but laugh though at the though of Pelosi
packing a Ruger .357 Vaquero in a quick-draw rig.