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Welcome to Fairfax Underground, a project site designed to improve communication among residents of Fairfax County, VA. Feel free to post anything Northern Virginia residents would find interesting.
Welcome to Fairfax Underground, a project site designed to improve communication among residents of Fairfax County, VA. Feel free to post anything Northern Virginia residents would find interesting.
Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
PissedOffDriver
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Date: April 05, 2016 02:07AM
Anyone else despise the red light cameras that are all around Fairfax City?
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
No
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Date: April 05, 2016 04:51AM
No
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
obligatory
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Date: April 05, 2016 06:07AM
Someone has to buy the donuts, better it be the scofflaws than the rest of us.
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for good info, try:
Free online FCPD scanner feed http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/15175/web
FFx County Fire and Rescue scanner feed http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=1620
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/78499-cops-use-chopper-to-buy-doughnuts
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for good info, try:
Free online FCPD scanner feed http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/15175/web
FFx County Fire and Rescue scanner feed http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=1620
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/78499-cops-use-chopper-to-buy-doughnuts
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
challenge the authority of evide
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Date: April 05, 2016 07:42AM
Dont despise them. I follow the law and stop for red lights. That said, I wouldnt pay any money on a 'ticket' unless it was served to me. US mail is not a form of being served in VA. Moreover I would challenge the authority of evidence from private contractors paid on consignment to find guilt without preserving care and custody of evidence.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Fairdax don't play...
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Date: April 06, 2016 11:16AM
I just took a driver improvement class in Fairfax last week and somebody brought up that same issue. The instructor was on point. He said, mess with the Citys money if ya dare! When you don't pay those red light ticket fines off, they send a flag on your tags to the DMV. Good luck on registering your car down the road. They gonna get ya one way or another.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
camera anxiety
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Date: April 06, 2016 11:19AM
I hate that shit, I always slam the brakes as soon as it turns orange. Not risking it. I see other people doing it too and if someones following closely you get rear ended. All in the name of safety.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Yall got orange lights
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Date: April 06, 2016 11:35AM
Orange?
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Confront your Accuser
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Date: April 06, 2016 12:01PM
Traffic light cameras are computers. Because the software in those computers is proprietary courts won't let the accused see it, study it, and ascertain whether a software flaw is responsible for an unjust ticket. In short, if you get a ticket, you cannot confront your accuser.
Where these cameras are concerned, courts blindly accept the truthfulness of computer generated evidence, and refuse to allow us to exercise our constitutional rights.
Where these cameras are concerned, courts blindly accept the truthfulness of computer generated evidence, and refuse to allow us to exercise our constitutional rights.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
cataracts
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Date: April 06, 2016 12:34PM
@camera anxiety I believe you might have cataracts if yellow lights look orange to you. You can stop by All Eyes in Fairfax City while you're cruising through.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
camera anxiety
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Date: April 06, 2016 12:53PM
LOL *yellow
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Chain Bridge Road Pedestrian
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Date: April 06, 2016 12:56PM
I like the traffic light cameras. Once people get used to them they actually start watching the light and stopping instead of flooring it and racing through the intersection. I wish they had more of them.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
wrongdi
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Date: April 06, 2016 03:07PM
Fairdax don't play... Wrote:
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> I just took a driver improvement class in Fairfax
> last week and somebody brought up that same issue.
> The instructor was on point. He said, mess with
> the Citys money if ya dare! When you don't pay
> those red light ticket fines off, they send a flag
> on your tags to the DMV. Good luck on registering
> your car down the road. They gonna get ya one way
> or another.
He is wrong. You need to be served with a ticket. CamerasRUs Co. allegedly mailing you a citation is not a form of being served recognized in VA. They could have the sheriff serve you but and that would be legal and you would be served. That is not the point of the cameras - they are there for easy revenue not law enforcement.
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> I just took a driver improvement class in Fairfax
> last week and somebody brought up that same issue.
> The instructor was on point. He said, mess with
> the Citys money if ya dare! When you don't pay
> those red light ticket fines off, they send a flag
> on your tags to the DMV. Good luck on registering
> your car down the road. They gonna get ya one way
> or another.
He is wrong. You need to be served with a ticket. CamerasRUs Co. allegedly mailing you a citation is not a form of being served recognized in VA. They could have the sheriff serve you but and that would be legal and you would be served. That is not the point of the cameras - they are there for easy revenue not law enforcement.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
What if?
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Date: April 06, 2016 03:52PM
Fairdax don't play... Wrote:
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> I just took a driver improvement class in Fairfax
> last week and somebody brought up that same issue.
> The instructor was on point. He said, mess with
> the Citys money if ya dare! When you don't pay
> those red light ticket fines off, they send a flag
> on your tags to the DMV. Good luck on registering
> your car down the road. They gonna get ya one way
> or another.
I own one shy of a dozen vehicles and they are registered to a trust. So how can the trust be served, and what obligation would I have to pay these tickets? I mean, the trust didn't drive, right?
And +1 for serve me. It'll cost more to do so in person than a stamp. Money loser, if everyone stood up to this game.
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> I just took a driver improvement class in Fairfax
> last week and somebody brought up that same issue.
> The instructor was on point. He said, mess with
> the Citys money if ya dare! When you don't pay
> those red light ticket fines off, they send a flag
> on your tags to the DMV. Good luck on registering
> your car down the road. They gonna get ya one way
> or another.
I own one shy of a dozen vehicles and they are registered to a trust. So how can the trust be served, and what obligation would I have to pay these tickets? I mean, the trust didn't drive, right?
And +1 for serve me. It'll cost more to do so in person than a stamp. Money loser, if everyone stood up to this game.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
KWDYj
()
Date: April 06, 2016 03:53PM
PissedOffDriver Wrote:
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> Anyone else despise the red light cameras that are
> all around Fairfax City?
Nope but I wish I could find the Red Light district in Fairfax City!
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> Anyone else despise the red light cameras that are
> all around Fairfax City?
Nope but I wish I could find the Red Light district in Fairfax City!
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Human Tripod
()
Date: April 06, 2016 08:07PM
If you don't like the way laws are enforced, don't spend your money there! It's been years since I last bought anything in D.C., Fairfax City, Vienna, or North Carolina...
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Oy vey!
()
Date: April 06, 2016 09:58PM
Confront your Accuser Wrote:
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> Traffic light cameras are computers. Because the
> software in those computers is proprietary courts
> won't let the accused see it, study it, and
> ascertain whether a software flaw is responsible
> for an unjust ticket. In short, if you get a
> ticket, you cannot confront your accuser.
>
> Where these cameras are concerned, courts blindly
> accept the truthfulness of computer generated
> evidence, and refuse to allow us to exercise our
> constitutional rights.
So a cop car has many computers in it. If you are paced and given a ticket are you allowed to see the computer code for the car? A radar unit has a computer in it, are you allowed to study the code if you are determined to be speeding through use of radar? Can you name any device where the accused is allowed to study the code to determine innocence?
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> Traffic light cameras are computers. Because the
> software in those computers is proprietary courts
> won't let the accused see it, study it, and
> ascertain whether a software flaw is responsible
> for an unjust ticket. In short, if you get a
> ticket, you cannot confront your accuser.
>
> Where these cameras are concerned, courts blindly
> accept the truthfulness of computer generated
> evidence, and refuse to allow us to exercise our
> constitutional rights.
So a cop car has many computers in it. If you are paced and given a ticket are you allowed to see the computer code for the car? A radar unit has a computer in it, are you allowed to study the code if you are determined to be speeding through use of radar? Can you name any device where the accused is allowed to study the code to determine innocence?
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Confront your Accuser
()
Date: April 07, 2016 07:32AM
@Oy Vey!, you understand the problem. Courts have determined that because the code is proprietary, the accused have no right to see it. If the government would insist on open source code, or at least code availability to defense experts, the problem would be alleviated. As it stands, however, you have no right to confront your accuser.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
money without due process.
()
Date: April 07, 2016 07:53AM
Oy vey! Wrote:
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> Confront your Accuser Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Traffic light cameras are computers. Because
> the
> > software in those computers is proprietary
> courts
> > won't let the accused see it, study it, and
> > ascertain whether a software flaw is
> responsible
> > for an unjust ticket. In short, if you get a
> > ticket, you cannot confront your accuser.
> >
> > Where these cameras are concerned, courts
> blindly
> > accept the truthfulness of computer generated
> > evidence, and refuse to allow us to exercise
> our
> > constitutional rights.
>
> So a cop car has many computers in it. If you are
> paced and given a ticket are you allowed to see
> the computer code for the car? A radar unit has a
> computer in it, are you allowed to study the code
> if you are determined to be speeding through use
> of radar? Can you name any device where the
> accused is allowed to study the code to determine
> innocence?
I think the point being if a human, a cop is involved in witnessing the infraction you are able to face an accuser. Red light camera - not so much. Also you are allowed to examine the training of the officer and the operation, calibration and reliability of the device used in supporting evidence against you when a police officer is involved. Yes they have computers in them but their overall function is subject to examination.
One could argue, absent a human, the Red Light Cameras computer program is more important and could be construed as subject to examination. Personally I would just wait to be officially served by the government rather than pay donations without due process they dare to call 'tickets.' Wait till you are served in person, never respond in any way to mail requesting your money without due process.
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> Confront your Accuser Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Traffic light cameras are computers. Because
> the
> > software in those computers is proprietary
> courts
> > won't let the accused see it, study it, and
> > ascertain whether a software flaw is
> responsible
> > for an unjust ticket. In short, if you get a
> > ticket, you cannot confront your accuser.
> >
> > Where these cameras are concerned, courts
> blindly
> > accept the truthfulness of computer generated
> > evidence, and refuse to allow us to exercise
> our
> > constitutional rights.
>
> So a cop car has many computers in it. If you are
> paced and given a ticket are you allowed to see
> the computer code for the car? A radar unit has a
> computer in it, are you allowed to study the code
> if you are determined to be speeding through use
> of radar? Can you name any device where the
> accused is allowed to study the code to determine
> innocence?
I think the point being if a human, a cop is involved in witnessing the infraction you are able to face an accuser. Red light camera - not so much. Also you are allowed to examine the training of the officer and the operation, calibration and reliability of the device used in supporting evidence against you when a police officer is involved. Yes they have computers in them but their overall function is subject to examination.
One could argue, absent a human, the Red Light Cameras computer program is more important and could be construed as subject to examination. Personally I would just wait to be officially served by the government rather than pay donations without due process they dare to call 'tickets.' Wait till you are served in person, never respond in any way to mail requesting your money without due process.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Nice Guy Eddie
()
Date: April 07, 2016 11:27AM
The biggest insult about these cameras is fact that they are intersections with shitty designs to begin with. Classic case is Rte 123 from Rte 50 towards I 66. Its a bunch of fucked up lights that are never in time which lead to frustrated drives pushing the yellow/red light. Redesign? Hell no, bend everyone over the table with a traffic camera.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Rasmus170
()
Date: April 07, 2016 02:15PM
Regardless what the police, govt officials say, its all about revenue.
Didn't you see FX County crying the blues this week over budget shortfalls?
Add Vienna and Falls Church to the over-enforcement crap. Just follow the law and starve the beast.
Didn't you see FX County crying the blues this week over budget shortfalls?
Add Vienna and Falls Church to the over-enforcement crap. Just follow the law and starve the beast.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
ticketthem
()
Date: April 07, 2016 08:15PM
I don't see why they shouldn't be able to ticket by camera. If someone robs your house do you demand that a police officer witness it or do you want the police to investigate it. Red light running kills people and is dangerous. It seems like a ticket is the least that should happen.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
I don't see why
()
Date: April 08, 2016 07:46AM
ticketthem Wrote:
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> I don't see why they shouldn't be able to ticket
> by camera. If someone robs your house do you
> demand that a police officer witness it or do you
> want the police to investigate it. Red light
> running kills people and is dangerous. It seems
> like a ticket is the least that should happen.
because cars dont rob your house. The cameras dont id the driver just the plates on the car. If your car is filmed as being used by a robber they cannot just send the owner to jail. The distinction may seem small but it goes to presumption of innocence. For example lets say cleaning people are filmed every Wed. entering your house by your security cameras. One Wed. you come home and realize you have been robbed. Is your cleaning crew automatically guilty?
Its the same with drivers - drivers and the cars they own pass through light controlled intersections all day every day. You need to be able to verify the driver and prove the evidence has been collected properly and protected from tampering. They really do none of those things at the moment with the Red Light Cameras. Its not okay to just accept short cuts to ignore the Bill of Rights.
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> I don't see why they shouldn't be able to ticket
> by camera. If someone robs your house do you
> demand that a police officer witness it or do you
> want the police to investigate it. Red light
> running kills people and is dangerous. It seems
> like a ticket is the least that should happen.
because cars dont rob your house. The cameras dont id the driver just the plates on the car. If your car is filmed as being used by a robber they cannot just send the owner to jail. The distinction may seem small but it goes to presumption of innocence. For example lets say cleaning people are filmed every Wed. entering your house by your security cameras. One Wed. you come home and realize you have been robbed. Is your cleaning crew automatically guilty?
Its the same with drivers - drivers and the cars they own pass through light controlled intersections all day every day. You need to be able to verify the driver and prove the evidence has been collected properly and protected from tampering. They really do none of those things at the moment with the Red Light Cameras. Its not okay to just accept short cuts to ignore the Bill of Rights.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Served
()
Date: April 08, 2016 07:57AM
Whoever is going on about having to be served a citation has no idea what they are talking about. Citations can be mailed our stuck to your windshield. Good luck parking on the street and getting a ticket for expired inspection and using "I wasn't served the citation" as your defense. They'll sens a Sherrif to your make believe fantasy world to paddle you.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
um yes
()
Date: April 08, 2016 08:41AM
Served Wrote:
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> Whoever is going on about having to be served a
> citation has no idea what they are talking about.
> Citations can be mailed our stuck to your
> windshield. Good luck parking on the street and
> getting a ticket for expired inspection and using
> "I wasn't served the citation" as your defense.
> They'll sens a Sherrif to your make believe
> fantasy world to paddle you.
When a ticket is put on your windshield and officer has served you - it fulfills the personal service requirement. The DMV may then mail you a reminder you have been served and you are given time to respond.
With Red Light Camera mailed notices the personal service requirement is not fulfilled. How do they prove you ever received the notice? They do not even mail them certified mail. Who is to say it ever got to you? If you fail to respond they can send the notice to the Sheriff and have them serve you in person.
It is important Not to reply to or acknowledge any mail you might get regarding camera enforcement as this will validate the notice. Why is all this okay? Because they are skirting the law on notice. Moreover they are fudging chain of evidence, facing your accuser and most importantly presumption of innocence. They have no idea who is operating the car. You should be able to walk into court and say 'I have friends I let use the car at any time and have no idea who was driving' - you should not even have to deny it was you as the State should have the obligation to prove guilt. You should not have to preemptively prove innocence as it is presumed.
Read up - drive safely and dont be a friggin sheep http://www.schillingshow.com/2010/11/15/ignoring-is-bliss-why-virginians-can-safely-discard-red-light-camera-tickets/
PS Imagine a court preceding as follows court: you failed to respond to a mailed ticket by xyz camera co. You: what mail? Court: they mailed you a notice You: prove that Court: we cannot 'prove' that You: So Im in court for an alleged violation for which you have no evidence I was notified of and no evidence it was me driving. Court: um, yes.
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> Whoever is going on about having to be served a
> citation has no idea what they are talking about.
> Citations can be mailed our stuck to your
> windshield. Good luck parking on the street and
> getting a ticket for expired inspection and using
> "I wasn't served the citation" as your defense.
> They'll sens a Sherrif to your make believe
> fantasy world to paddle you.
When a ticket is put on your windshield and officer has served you - it fulfills the personal service requirement. The DMV may then mail you a reminder you have been served and you are given time to respond.
With Red Light Camera mailed notices the personal service requirement is not fulfilled. How do they prove you ever received the notice? They do not even mail them certified mail. Who is to say it ever got to you? If you fail to respond they can send the notice to the Sheriff and have them serve you in person.
It is important Not to reply to or acknowledge any mail you might get regarding camera enforcement as this will validate the notice. Why is all this okay? Because they are skirting the law on notice. Moreover they are fudging chain of evidence, facing your accuser and most importantly presumption of innocence. They have no idea who is operating the car. You should be able to walk into court and say 'I have friends I let use the car at any time and have no idea who was driving' - you should not even have to deny it was you as the State should have the obligation to prove guilt. You should not have to preemptively prove innocence as it is presumed.
Read up - drive safely and dont be a friggin sheep http://www.schillingshow.com/2010/11/15/ignoring-is-bliss-why-virginians-can-safely-discard-red-light-camera-tickets/
PS Imagine a court preceding as follows court: you failed to respond to a mailed ticket by xyz camera co. You: what mail? Court: they mailed you a notice You: prove that Court: we cannot 'prove' that You: So Im in court for an alleged violation for which you have no evidence I was notified of and no evidence it was me driving. Court: um, yes.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Green light camera
()
Date: April 08, 2016 08:44AM
ticketthem Wrote:
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> I don't see why they shouldn't be able to ticket
> by camera. If someone robs your house do you
> demand that a police officer witness it or do you
> want the police to investigate it. Red light
> running kills people and is dangerous. It seems
> like a ticket is the least that should happen.
How many people were killed in Fairfax County because of redlight running in the year before the cameras went up and how many in the year after?
Also, are there other confounding factors, like weather or changes traffic volumes or patterns, that may skew the reported numbers and have they been statistically normalized?
Please don't make comments like yours unless you come with facts, not fiction.
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> I don't see why they shouldn't be able to ticket
> by camera. If someone robs your house do you
> demand that a police officer witness it or do you
> want the police to investigate it. Red light
> running kills people and is dangerous. It seems
> like a ticket is the least that should happen.
How many people were killed in Fairfax County because of redlight running in the year before the cameras went up and how many in the year after?
Also, are there other confounding factors, like weather or changes traffic volumes or patterns, that may skew the reported numbers and have they been statistically normalized?
Please don't make comments like yours unless you come with facts, not fiction.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
What a novel idea
()
Date: April 08, 2016 08:59AM
ticketthem Wrote:
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> I don't see why they shouldn't be able to ticket
> by camera. If someone robs your house do you
> demand that a police officer witness it or do you
> want the police to investigate it. Red light
> running kills people and is dangerous. It seems
> like a ticket is the least that should happen.
police to investigate it? You mean vs. simply sending someone a verdict of guilty by snail mail? What a novel idea. You might be on to something.
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> I don't see why they shouldn't be able to ticket
> by camera. If someone robs your house do you
> demand that a police officer witness it or do you
> want the police to investigate it. Red light
> running kills people and is dangerous. It seems
> like a ticket is the least that should happen.
police to investigate it? You mean vs. simply sending someone a verdict of guilty by snail mail? What a novel idea. You might be on to something.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Info on one of the cameras
()
Date: April 08, 2016 09:56AM
The one at plantation parkway and Fairfax Blvd constantly malfunction. Every day I see the camera constantly going off randomly. When people stop quick or people are turning from plantation parkway left onto Fairfax Blvd the strobe goes off. if people are getting tickets it is a scam.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Driver9
()
Date: April 08, 2016 01:02PM
Human Tripod Wrote:
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> If you don't like the way laws are enforced, don't
> spend your money there! It's been years since I
> last bought anything in D.C., Fairfax City,
> Vienna, or North Carolina...
Vienna? What does Vienna have to do with red light tickets?
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> If you don't like the way laws are enforced, don't
> spend your money there! It's been years since I
> last bought anything in D.C., Fairfax City,
> Vienna, or North Carolina...
Vienna? What does Vienna have to do with red light tickets?
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Driver9
()
Date: April 08, 2016 01:04PM
Info on one of the cameras Wrote:
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> The one at plantation parkway and Fairfax Blvd
> constantly malfunction. Every day I see the camera
> constantly going off randomly. When people stop
> quick or people are turning from plantation
> parkway left onto Fairfax Blvd the strobe goes
> off. if people are getting tickets it is a scam.
Cameras take photos if they predict that there might be an infraction, because they need to get the first photo before the light turns red to prove the car wasn't in the intersection when the red began. If there is no second photo with with the light red, there isn't a ticket. So just because you see a flash, it doesn't mean there is a violation/ticket.
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> The one at plantation parkway and Fairfax Blvd
> constantly malfunction. Every day I see the camera
> constantly going off randomly. When people stop
> quick or people are turning from plantation
> parkway left onto Fairfax Blvd the strobe goes
> off. if people are getting tickets it is a scam.
Cameras take photos if they predict that there might be an infraction, because they need to get the first photo before the light turns red to prove the car wasn't in the intersection when the red began. If there is no second photo with with the light red, there isn't a ticket. So just because you see a flash, it doesn't mean there is a violation/ticket.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Good for the auto body shops
()
Date: April 08, 2016 10:43PM
Chain Bridge Road Pedestrian Wrote:
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> I like the traffic light cameras. Once people get
> used to them they actually start watching the
> light and stopping instead of flooring it and
> racing through the intersection. I wish they had
> more of them.
So instead you stop and get rear-ended by some jackass following too closely. You won't get a ticket, but you'll shell out a deductible to get your car fixed.
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> I like the traffic light cameras. Once people get
> used to them they actually start watching the
> light and stopping instead of flooring it and
> racing through the intersection. I wish they had
> more of them.
So instead you stop and get rear-ended by some jackass following too closely. You won't get a ticket, but you'll shell out a deductible to get your car fixed.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Jd3h4
()
Date: April 12, 2016 11:09AM
Jd3h4
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
da bumper
()
Date: April 18, 2016 08:00PM
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Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
absolutely
()
Date: April 18, 2016 11:07PM
PissedOffDriver Wrote:
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> Anyone else despise the red light cameras that are
> all around Fairfax City?
I was caught at a red light camera, an ambulance was behind me. Didn't move till the light turned green. oh well. didn't want a ticket.
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> Anyone else despise the red light cameras that are
> all around Fairfax City?
I was caught at a red light camera, an ambulance was behind me. Didn't move till the light turned green. oh well. didn't want a ticket.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
causeican
()
Date: April 19, 2016 12:15AM
PissedOffDriver Wrote:
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> Anyone else despise the red light cameras that are
> all around Fairfax City?
only when I run a late yellow
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> Anyone else despise the red light cameras that are
> all around Fairfax City?
only when I run a late yellow
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Exwpb
()
Date: April 19, 2016 01:29AM
please please do not pay the camera tickets as the tinfoil fool is advising
he can cite a million whatevers, but only one thing is for sure
you will eventually pay the ticket and late costs because your license will be flagged with the dmv and then you will not be able to do shit, even lose your license eventually
so idiots who think the cameras are for revenue verse safety, please please do not pay those pesky illegal tickets
we do not want you asshats on the road anyway
he can cite a million whatevers, but only one thing is for sure
you will eventually pay the ticket and late costs because your license will be flagged with the dmv and then you will not be able to do shit, even lose your license eventually
so idiots who think the cameras are for revenue verse safety, please please do not pay those pesky illegal tickets
we do not want you asshats on the road anyway
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
3rd party
()
Date: April 19, 2016 09:18AM
Exwpb Wrote:
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> please please do not pay the camera tickets as the
> tinfoil fool is advising
>
> he can cite a million whatevers, but only one
> thing is for sure
>
> you will eventually pay the ticket and late costs
> because your license will be flagged with the dmv
> and then you will not be able to do shit, even
> lose your license eventually
>
> so idiots who think the cameras are for revenue
> verse safety, please please do not pay those pesky
> illegal tickets
>
> we do not want you asshats on the road anyway
how can they 'flag your license' if they never served you? It makes no sense. A letter in the mail from a 3rd party does not constitute service of a ticket. Tell them you never received a ticket from anyone - they have to prove you have been served dummy. We are still innocent till proven guilty. for the time being at least...
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> please please do not pay the camera tickets as the
> tinfoil fool is advising
>
> he can cite a million whatevers, but only one
> thing is for sure
>
> you will eventually pay the ticket and late costs
> because your license will be flagged with the dmv
> and then you will not be able to do shit, even
> lose your license eventually
>
> so idiots who think the cameras are for revenue
> verse safety, please please do not pay those pesky
> illegal tickets
>
> we do not want you asshats on the road anyway
how can they 'flag your license' if they never served you? It makes no sense. A letter in the mail from a 3rd party does not constitute service of a ticket. Tell them you never received a ticket from anyone - they have to prove you have been served dummy. We are still innocent till proven guilty. for the time being at least...
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
causeican
()
Date: April 20, 2016 12:34AM
3rd party Wrote:
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> Exwpb Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > please please do not pay the camera tickets as
> the
> > tinfoil fool is advising
> >
> > he can cite a million whatevers, but only one
> > thing is for sure
> >
> > you will eventually pay the ticket and late
> costs
> > because your license will be flagged with the
> dmv
> > and then you will not be able to do shit, even
> > lose your license eventually
> >
> > so idiots who think the cameras are for revenue
> > verse safety, please please do not pay those
> pesky
> > illegal tickets
> >
> > we do not want you asshats on the road anyway
>
> how can they 'flag your license' if they never
> served you? It makes no sense. A letter in the
> mail from a 3rd party does not constitute service
> of a ticket. Tell them you never received a
> ticket from anyone - they have to prove you have
> been served dummy. We are still innocent till
> proven guilty. for the time being at least...
They don’t have to do anything. That’s the sad truth. Unless you want to fight it in court - and you have to have lots of money to waste to do that - you really are at their mercy. The truth smacks hard.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Exwpb Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > please please do not pay the camera tickets as
> the
> > tinfoil fool is advising
> >
> > he can cite a million whatevers, but only one
> > thing is for sure
> >
> > you will eventually pay the ticket and late
> costs
> > because your license will be flagged with the
> dmv
> > and then you will not be able to do shit, even
> > lose your license eventually
> >
> > so idiots who think the cameras are for revenue
> > verse safety, please please do not pay those
> pesky
> > illegal tickets
> >
> > we do not want you asshats on the road anyway
>
> how can they 'flag your license' if they never
> served you? It makes no sense. A letter in the
> mail from a 3rd party does not constitute service
> of a ticket. Tell them you never received a
> ticket from anyone - they have to prove you have
> been served dummy. We are still innocent till
> proven guilty. for the time being at least...
They don’t have to do anything. That’s the sad truth. Unless you want to fight it in court - and you have to have lots of money to waste to do that - you really are at their mercy. The truth smacks hard.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
hjHkG
()
Date: April 21, 2016 06:20AM
hjHkG
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
Sorry you are wrong
()
Date: April 21, 2016 08:03AM
causeican Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 3rd party Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Exwpb Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > please please do not pay the camera tickets
> as
> > the
> > > tinfoil fool is advising
> > >
> > > he can cite a million whatevers, but only one
> > > thing is for sure
> > >
> > > you will eventually pay the ticket and late
> > costs
> > > because your license will be flagged with the
> > dmv
> > > and then you will not be able to do shit,
> even
> > > lose your license eventually
> > >
> > > so idiots who think the cameras are for
> revenue
> > > verse safety, please please do not pay those
> > pesky
> > > illegal tickets
> > >
> > > we do not want you asshats on the road anyway
> >
> > how can they 'flag your license' if they never
> > served you? It makes no sense. A letter in
> the
> > mail from a 3rd party does not constitute
> service
> > of a ticket. Tell them you never received a
> > ticket from anyone - they have to prove you
> have
> > been served dummy. We are still innocent till
> > proven guilty. for the time being at least...
>
> They don’t have to do anything. That’s the
> sad truth. Unless you want to fight it in court -
> and you have to have lots of money to waste to do
> that - you really are at their mercy. The truth
> smacks hard.
Sorry you are wrong - they have to serve you a ticket and snail mail from a red light doesnt cut it. I can tell you what they do do in Alexandria - they forward your red light debt to collectors. Collectors will bugger your credit without any due process. Then you have to pay to avoid hits on your credit. So far fairfax doesnt do this to my knowledge. No one 'flags' your tags or license from a red light violation because they cannot. If anyone here has been 'flagged' please post.
-------------------------------------------------------
> 3rd party Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Exwpb Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > please please do not pay the camera tickets
> as
> > the
> > > tinfoil fool is advising
> > >
> > > he can cite a million whatevers, but only one
> > > thing is for sure
> > >
> > > you will eventually pay the ticket and late
> > costs
> > > because your license will be flagged with the
> > dmv
> > > and then you will not be able to do shit,
> even
> > > lose your license eventually
> > >
> > > so idiots who think the cameras are for
> revenue
> > > verse safety, please please do not pay those
> > pesky
> > > illegal tickets
> > >
> > > we do not want you asshats on the road anyway
> >
> > how can they 'flag your license' if they never
> > served you? It makes no sense. A letter in
> the
> > mail from a 3rd party does not constitute
> service
> > of a ticket. Tell them you never received a
> > ticket from anyone - they have to prove you
> have
> > been served dummy. We are still innocent till
> > proven guilty. for the time being at least...
>
> They don’t have to do anything. That’s the
> sad truth. Unless you want to fight it in court -
> and you have to have lots of money to waste to do
> that - you really are at their mercy. The truth
> smacks hard.
Sorry you are wrong - they have to serve you a ticket and snail mail from a red light doesnt cut it. I can tell you what they do do in Alexandria - they forward your red light debt to collectors. Collectors will bugger your credit without any due process. Then you have to pay to avoid hits on your credit. So far fairfax doesnt do this to my knowledge. No one 'flags' your tags or license from a red light violation because they cannot. If anyone here has been 'flagged' please post.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
The Law
()
Date: April 21, 2016 08:36AM
Tickets for alleged red light violations are mailed and drivers are able to pay tickets online. Alternatively, tickets may be challenged in the Fairfax City General District Court. Pursuant to section 15.2-968.1 of the Code of Virginia, defenses to challenge a red light violation are asserted by (i) filing an affidavit by regular mail with the clerk of the General District Court if you were not the operator of the vehicle at the time of the alleged violation, (ii) testifying in open court under oath if you were not the operator of the vehicle at the time of the alleged violation, or (iii) filing a certified copy of a police report with the Fairfax City General District Court before the hearing date, showing that the vehicle had been reported to the police as stolen prior to the time of the alleged violation. In addition to these defenses, there are potential evidentiary challenges to red light citations if the evidence used to support a citation is not gathered pursuant to the statute. Failure to resolve a red light ticket will result in additional fees and the vehicle owner's license will be suspended.
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
have to hand-deliver it
()
Date: April 21, 2016 12:52PM
15.2-968.1. Use of photo-monitoring systems to enforce traffic light signals.
G. A summons for a violation of this section may be executed pursuant to 19.2-76.2. Notwithstanding the provisions of 19.2-76, a summons for a violation of this section may be executed by mailing by first class mail a copy thereof to the owner, lessee, or renter of the vehicle. In the case of a vehicle owner, the copy shall be mailed to the address contained in the records of the Department of Motor Vehicles; in the case of a vehicle lessee or renter, the copy shall be mailed to the address contained in the records of the lessor or renter. Every such mailing shall include, in addition to the summons, a notice of (i) the summoned person’s ability to rebut the presumption that he was the operator of the vehicle at the time of the alleged violation through the filing of an affidavit as provided in subsection D and (ii) instructions for filing such affidavit, including the address to which the affidavit is to be sent. If the summoned person fails to appear on the date of return set out in the summons mailed pursuant to this section, the summons shall be executed in the manner set out in 19.2-76.3. No proceedings for contempt or arrest of a person summoned by mailing shall be instituted for failure to appear on the return date of the summons. Any summons executed for a violation of this section shall provide to the person summoned at least 60 business days from the mailing of the summons to inspect information collected by a traffic light signal violation monitoring system in connection with the violation.
Here’s the code for 19.2-76.3 referenced above:
19.2-76.3. Failure to appear on return date for summons issued under 19.2-76.2.
A. If any person fails to appear on the date of the return contained in the summons issued in accordance with 19.2-76.2, then a summons shall be delivered to the sheriff of the county, city or town for service on that person as set out in 8.01-296.
B. If such person then fails to appear on the date of return as contained in the summons so issued, a summons shall be executed in the manner set out in 19.2-76.
C. No proceedings for contempt or arrest of any person summoned under the provisions of this section shall be instituted unless such person has been personally served with a summons and has failed to appear on the return date contained therein.
Essentially it’s saying that they can attempt to mail you a ticket, but if that doesn’t work they have to hand-deliver it in order for the ticket to be valid.
- See more at: https://www.motorists.org/blog/toss-your-virginia-red-light-camera-ticket/#sthash.uc27s7ro.dpuf
G. A summons for a violation of this section may be executed pursuant to 19.2-76.2. Notwithstanding the provisions of 19.2-76, a summons for a violation of this section may be executed by mailing by first class mail a copy thereof to the owner, lessee, or renter of the vehicle. In the case of a vehicle owner, the copy shall be mailed to the address contained in the records of the Department of Motor Vehicles; in the case of a vehicle lessee or renter, the copy shall be mailed to the address contained in the records of the lessor or renter. Every such mailing shall include, in addition to the summons, a notice of (i) the summoned person’s ability to rebut the presumption that he was the operator of the vehicle at the time of the alleged violation through the filing of an affidavit as provided in subsection D and (ii) instructions for filing such affidavit, including the address to which the affidavit is to be sent. If the summoned person fails to appear on the date of return set out in the summons mailed pursuant to this section, the summons shall be executed in the manner set out in 19.2-76.3. No proceedings for contempt or arrest of a person summoned by mailing shall be instituted for failure to appear on the return date of the summons. Any summons executed for a violation of this section shall provide to the person summoned at least 60 business days from the mailing of the summons to inspect information collected by a traffic light signal violation monitoring system in connection with the violation.
Here’s the code for 19.2-76.3 referenced above:
19.2-76.3. Failure to appear on return date for summons issued under 19.2-76.2.
A. If any person fails to appear on the date of the return contained in the summons issued in accordance with 19.2-76.2, then a summons shall be delivered to the sheriff of the county, city or town for service on that person as set out in 8.01-296.
B. If such person then fails to appear on the date of return as contained in the summons so issued, a summons shall be executed in the manner set out in 19.2-76.
C. No proceedings for contempt or arrest of any person summoned under the provisions of this section shall be instituted unless such person has been personally served with a summons and has failed to appear on the return date contained therein.
Essentially it’s saying that they can attempt to mail you a ticket, but if that doesn’t work they have to hand-deliver it in order for the ticket to be valid.
- See more at: https://www.motorists.org/blog/toss-your-virginia-red-light-camera-ticket/#sthash.uc27s7ro.dpuf
Re: Red Light Cameras in Fairfax City
Posted by:
6Mknt
()
Date: April 21, 2016 04:31PM
so DMV can't jack up your license renewal etc....