note: i do not condone drunken stupidity but i also do not condone abuse of power. please excuse me as i play devil's advocate... and mispellings as im feeling lazy today.
FFX 5.0 Wrote:
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> After
> obtaining some information from him the two
> officers then left his side yard and proceeded to
> return to their vehicles to leave. As they got
> approximately 1 house away they heard a shout of
> “F--- the Police” ring out. This being an obvious
> sign of disrespect, the officers then turned
> around and returned to the house.
disrespect or not, they did what they came to do (tell them to stfu) and should not have returned simply because of a bruised ego.
> He also explained that if the noise
> didn’t stop right away it would not trouble him to
> request the response of the Paddy Wagon to the
> house, to begin to checking the identification of
> every person in attendance of the party, and begin
> issuing citations to people and making arrest for
> violations of criminal law that he observed.
a perfect description of a cop acting intimidating.
> The officers then turned to leave a second time
> and began to return to their cruisers. This time
> approximately 2 houses away a shout of “you think
> you’re tough….lets see how tough you are” along
> with “F--- the Pigs” ring out. Believing that the
> level of intoxication and the stubbornness of the
> party goers were too much for the owner to handle
> alone, the officers returned to their cruisers and
> requested the response of the Paddy Wagon as well
> as additional officers.
they didnt even give the guy a chance. another bruise on his ego and he have "had enough".
> After several more minutes it was evident to the
> two officers that their warning had no effect on
> the party goers as the noise level had not
> appeared to subside. The two officers gathered
> some additional equipment and proceeded to walk
> back to the house.
additional equipment? does that mean more/different weapons? shouldnt they have waited for the backup they just called for?
> Upon closer approach of the
> house, shouts of “the cops….run, run” and
> “everyone inside now” could be heard from the
> crowd.
clearly they were intimidated.
> The majority of the crowd did indeed
> return into the confines of the home (which was
> the goal of the officers to begin with) while a
> few stragglers who felt they would not make it in
> time went running of into the backyard woods to
> become lost in the thorny brush.
mission accomplished, right? im sure those in the bushes would return to the house. so why press the issue? perhaps a buised ego?
> In an effort to
> insure that everyone had returned into the
> domicile
i somehow doubt they were thinking, "we better help the stagglers get inside!" rather than, "let's teach them a lesson"
> one officer proceeded to the back of the
> property where he became engaged in an altercation
> with a very intoxicated young man. That young man
> was subsequently arrested for being intoxicated
> (not either of the friends that Adam mentioned).
it would seem this dunken fellow bruised the cops ego again. arresting him for DIP was a bullshit charge.
> That young man was then walked back to the front
> of the home where the 2 officers again engaged in
> conversation with the homeowner. Shortly after, 5
> additional police officers arrived along with the
> Paddy Wagon (7 officers total). These additional
> officers assisted with rounding up stray party
> goers and assisting them into the home in an
> effort to keep them from wandering the street as
> well as contain the noise level.
well ok, there you go, they are done there, right?
> With the
> majority of the noise diminished the officers then
> turned their attention to their next concern – How
> all of the intoxicated people inside the house
> would manage to get to their home. The homeowner
> advised there were several people there who were
> designated drivers and would see everyone got home
> safely. The officers asked the homeowner to
> retrieve the designated drivers so that they could
> speak to them and begin to send some of the party
> goers home. The homeowner went into the house and
> could be heard stating “anyone who is sober please
> go out and talk to the cops”. A few minutes later
> the homeowner came back out alone and advised the
> DD’s appear to have either left or started
> drinking. He then assures the police officers
> that he has more than enough room in his house for
> everyone and that he will keep them all inside
> (which the officers know is not true).
you cant arrest people for crimes they have not committed yet.
> Just as he assures the officers that no one is
> leaving and everyone is staying, 4 young men
> (including two who appear to be very intoxicated)
> venture out of the home. The officers did stop
> them and question them as to why they are leaving
> and explained that they needed to return to the
> home. One of the young men begins to explain that
> he just arrived and was there to pick up the other
> 3. Before he can complete his statement however,
> one of the more inebriated young men states “you
> can’t be here…..this is private property”. It was
> true that the officers were on private property,
> but he was wrong in his assumption that the
> officers couldn’t be there. The only section of
> the 1950 Code of Virginia (Virginia Law) that is
> restricted from being enforced on private land is
> the traffic law section (Title 46.2). The
> Criminal code (Title 18.2) is enforceable on both
> public as well as private land (public
> drunkenness, underage consumption of alcohol, as
> well as the noise ordinance all fall under the
> criminal code section). The officers tried to
> continue their conversation with the “DD” of the
> group but were interrupted by the drunk twice more
> stating “you’re on private property and you can’t
> be here”. The officers then finally told the
> inebriated young man that he need to shut his
> mouth and stop talking or else he would be
> arrested for being drunk in public.
while the drunk was an idiot, he was on private property.
> The drunken young man failed to heed these warning
> however, and continued to tell the officers that
> they couldn’t be there. Finally having enough of
> him rambling on in a drunken state, one of the
> officers informed him that he was under arrest.
the charge was DIP... on private property.
> One officer took a hold of one of his wrists while
> a second officer took a hold of the other. The
> drunken subject then began to struggle in a futile
> attempt to pull himself free of the officers
> grasp, and began to lead the officers in a game of
> Ring-around-the-rosy. After going around in a
> circle twice with the drunken young man the two
> officers then put the young man onto the ground in
> an attempt to gain control over him and place
> handcuffs on him.
i would only expect this much from a drunk that was already upset. seriously, no surprise... and i think they were counting on that.
> Again this was done by two
> officers, not the 5 that Adam remembers.
you said there was a total of seven had arrived at the house. where were the other five?
> The
> drunken young man was not tackled, thrown, flung,
> beaten, maced, tazered, transported or teleported
> as Adams memory recalls. This drunken young friend
> did began some type of screaming fit of “take my
> picture”, but Adam was advised against it. For
> the safety of the police officers they didn’t want
> to deal with intoxicated young men with any type
> of objects in their hands. People would be amazed
> at how often these “objects” become weapons
> (submitted to the video section is a file where a
> cell phone has been rigged into a 4 round .22
> caliber firearm).
so you
honestly believe the cops thought/were concerned that the phone was a gun? the guy was screaming that someone take his picture, not shoot the cops.
> Not wanting to listen to
> another tirade of “you’re on private property”
> another officer placed drunken friend #2 under
> arrest for being drunk in public.
once more DIP on private property.
> Once Adams
> friend arrived with the car he was sent on his
> way.
so he was ordered to leave friend #3 that had done nothing?
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...begins to explain that he just arrived and was there to pick up the other 3
were there two or three friends of the driver?
> people were
> found to be very intoxicated as well as many
> underage people were found to have been drinking.
did they check everyone's ID?
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