Possession, purchase or consumption of alcoholic beverage is prohibited by state law for anyone under 21 years of age.

Is soliciting someone to purchase alcoholic beverages for someone under the age of 21 prohibited by law?

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WingNut Wrote:
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> I would guess yes but I'm not sure how they phrase
> the wording of the charge-
>
> "attempted underage possession of alcohol" maybe?
>
> SOunds pretty chickenshit, but if it's VA, there's
> a law against it!


So if it is against the law to solicit, why does FCPD conduct Operation Shoulder Tap?

It is entrapment. Look, If Gravis is walking into 7-11 to get his porno and blunts and minding his own sick perverted business - he has no reason or intention to break the law. If someone "taps him and says "hey mister buy me some beer" he is put in a situation not of his choosing and is enticed to buy the kids beer because he cant say no. THAT is entrapment.

On the other hand, Gravis sees some Westfields Cheerleaders at 7-11 and says "I got beer, lets party!" then he has broken the law.

That reminds me of this old thread...
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/180318/180846.html

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I meant to put this thread in....
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/89080/89710.html#msg-89710

Re: WTF Just Happened
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: April 16, 2008 08:23AM

So, walking in or out of a 7-11 and being shoulder tapped to buy beer by an agent of law enforcement is entrapment. Approaching an agent of law enforcement and offering to buy them beer is not.

ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.

However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.

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funny, the police officers I've had the most trouble with in DC are always white males from NOVA.

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Radiophile Wrote:
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> It is entrapment. Look, If Gravis is walking into
> 7-11 to get his porno and blunts and minding his
> own sick perverted business - he has no reason or
> intention to break the law. If someone "taps him
> and says "hey mister buy me some beer" he is put
> in a situation not of his choosing and is enticed
> to buy the kids beer because he cant say no. THAT
> is entrapment.

it's so true! i mean, they should expect that i would shatter a few of their orbital bones when they ask me. it's what any good parent would do if they caught their kid pulling that shit! wait, why would i buy him the beer after i shatter his face?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."



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I thought operation shoulder tap involved bathroom stalls in airports or the Nordstrom in Tysons.

Hey mister! Would you buy me a six-pack?

Iz @ yer seben eleben, tappin yer shoulderz

ITRADE Wrote:
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> I thought operation shoulder tap involved bathroom
> stalls in airports or the Nordstrom in Tysons.

I believe that one is "Operation Ass-Tap".

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> I meant to put this thread in....
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/890
> 80/89710.html#msg-89710
>
> Re: WTF Just Happened
> Posted by: Radiophile ()
> Date: April 16, 2008 08:23AM
>
> So, walking in or out of a 7-11 and being shoulder
> tapped to buy beer by an agent of law enforcement
> is entrapment. Approaching an agent of law
> enforcement and offering to buy them beer is not.
>
> ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is
> induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers
> or their agents to commit a crime that he had no
> previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter
> of policy forbids conviction in such a case.
>
> However, there is no entrapment where a person is
> ready and willing to break the law and the
> Government agents merely provide what appears to
> be a favorable opportunity for the person to
> commit the crime. For example, it is not
> entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be
> someone else and to offer, either directly or
> through an informer or other decoy, to engage in
> an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a
> person would not be a victim of entrapment if the
> person was ready, willing and able to commit the
> crime charged in the indictment whenever
> opportunity was afforded, and that Government
> officers or their agents did no more than offer an
> opportunity.

So let's say that I, under no circumstances, am willing to buy alcoholic beverages for someone under 21 years of age. Then, is the individual who solicited me to do so breaking the law by attempting to get me to break the law?

Don't be silly, GMUHokie. How is trying to convince someone to break the law a crime? Unless there is coercion involved...

I don't like the program, but I believe it works. I would normally hook up most people who tap me, but the consequences aren't worth it for some shithead kid.

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Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> Don't be silly, GMUHokie. How is trying to
> convince someone to break the law a crime? Unless
> there is coercion involved...


According to your logic, if I ask someone to kill my wife, I haven't broken the law if no coercion is involved.

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WingNut Wrote:
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> Now how about the assholes who take the beer money
> from the underage kids and burn them?
>
> I know thats got to be a crime, even though I
> don't know how to spell out what the charge might
> be- theft by deception? consumer fraud?


uhm just plain stealing?

Just to fuck with them I would go buy root beer and play it off with a fake accent and say I didn't understand what they meant!

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GMU Hokie Wrote:
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> According to your logic, if I ask someone to kill
> my wife, I haven't broken the law if no coercion
> is involved.

It's getting a little hairy now! I am going to have to stand firm and say that just asking someone to kill your wife is not against the law. Paying someone to do it or coercing them is a different story.

Edit: I want to add that OFFERING to pay would be against the law too.



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Reminds me of that joke about the three men who apply for a job at the CIA.....

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Being vague is almost as fun as that other thing.

Melissa Wrote:
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> Reminds me of that joke about the three men who
> apply for a job at the CIA.....

Do go on...

Three guys are applying for job with the CIA. They got all the way to the final test.

So the first guy walks into the directors office and sits down. The director reaches in his desk and pulls out a pistol. Lays it on his desk in front of the guy. Tells him, "This test is to test your loyalty. Take this gun and go up the stairs and go into the first room on your right. Your wife will be in there. Put a bullet in her head." The guy looks at him and says,"no way." So the director says, "You fail."

The next guy comes in. The director tells him the same thing. Guy picks up the gun and head for the room. Comes back about 15 minutes later. Tells the director that he just couldn't go through with it. The director says, "you fail."

So now the third guy comes in, same scene. Guy heads up to the room. The director hears 3 shots, followed by a whole lot of ruckus (glass breaking, funiture getting smashed). Guy comes back in all beat up and his clothes tore up. The director goes, "What happened to you?" Guy replies, "After three shots I realized that there were blanks in the gun so I had to beat her to death."

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Being vague is almost as fun as that other thing.

haha, I hadn't heard that one before. I hope he at least got the job.

cherry T0p Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
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> > Now how about the assholes who take the beer
> money
> > from the underage kids and burn them?
> >
> > I know thats got to be a crime, even though I
> > don't know how to spell out what the charge
> might
> > be- theft by deception? consumer fraud?
>
>
> uhm just plain stealing?


"I will give you $10 and you buy me beer because I am underage". That would fall under contract law. Unfortunately, an illegal contract can not be legally enforced. You can not sue someone for agreeing to steal your car for insurance fraud and then backing out of it. Same principle.

Technically, it may be fraud, but wholly un-prosecutable because of the same principal.

Perhaps, taking the money and running would fall under the "being an asshole" category. Unfortunately, that is not a crime or most people at FXU would have life sentences.

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You sound like a total tool and possible fag.