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ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
Tracking Your Car
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Date: May 05, 2015 11:09PM
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Virginia has filed a lawsuit against the Fairfax County Police Department for what they say is unlawfully storing massive amounts of license plate data collected using automatic license plate readers, according to a news release from the ACLU.
Filed in Fairfax County Circuit Court, the lawsuit is being brought on behalf of Fairfax resident Harrison Neal, who, the ACLU says, discovered that his license plate had been scanned twice in one year and stored in a database, even though he wasn’t part of any police investigation.
The suit claims that in keeping data and location information for thousands of vehicles, including Neal’s, FCPD has violated Virginia’s Government Data Collection and Dissemination Practices Act (the “Data Act”).
“The Department’s ALPR database can be used to discover the location of thousands of vehicles at a particular date and time,” said Rebecca Glenberg, ACLU of Virginia legal director. “It is an unacceptable invasion of privacy.”
“The Data Act is very clear,” she said, in the news release. “Personal information cannot be collected, stored, or disseminated unless the need for such collection has been clearly established in advance and the information is appropriate and relevant for the purpose for which it was collected. None of this is true of the thousands of license plate numbers stored in FCPD’s database.”
Filed in Fairfax County Circuit Court, the lawsuit is being brought on behalf of Fairfax resident Harrison Neal, who, the ACLU says, discovered that his license plate had been scanned twice in one year and stored in a database, even though he wasn’t part of any police investigation.
The suit claims that in keeping data and location information for thousands of vehicles, including Neal’s, FCPD has violated Virginia’s Government Data Collection and Dissemination Practices Act (the “Data Act”).
“The Department’s ALPR database can be used to discover the location of thousands of vehicles at a particular date and time,” said Rebecca Glenberg, ACLU of Virginia legal director. “It is an unacceptable invasion of privacy.”
“The Data Act is very clear,” she said, in the news release. “Personal information cannot be collected, stored, or disseminated unless the need for such collection has been clearly established in advance and the information is appropriate and relevant for the purpose for which it was collected. None of this is true of the thousands of license plate numbers stored in FCPD’s database.”
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
SPLC Haterz
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Date: May 05, 2015 11:10PM
But nothing about the two year cover up over the shooting of an unarmed white man. Figures.
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
2 Far
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Date: May 05, 2015 11:51PM
Good. Capturing everything is too much.
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
VYmyu
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Date: May 05, 2015 11:55PM
Ultra Libtard, Big Brother, money-man Governor McAuliffe vetoed a bill to limit data collection:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/mcauliffe-vetoes-surveillance-technology-bill-to-chagrin-of-privacy-hawks/2015/05/01/8c4fe46c-ef57-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html
Remember that next election.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/mcauliffe-vetoes-surveillance-technology-bill-to-chagrin-of-privacy-hawks/2015/05/01/8c4fe46c-ef57-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html
Remember that next election.
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
No Tracking
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Date: May 06, 2015 10:33AM
VYmyu Wrote:
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> Ultra Libtard, Big Brother, money-man Governor
> McAuliffe vetoed a bill to limit data collection:
>
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-polit
> ics/mcauliffe-vetoes-surveillance-technology-bill-
> to-chagrin-of-privacy-hawks/2015/05/01/8c4fe46c-ef
> 57-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html
>
>
> Remember that next election.
Good!
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> Ultra Libtard, Big Brother, money-man Governor
> McAuliffe vetoed a bill to limit data collection:
>
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-polit
> ics/mcauliffe-vetoes-surveillance-technology-bill-
> to-chagrin-of-privacy-hawks/2015/05/01/8c4fe46c-ef
> 57-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html
>
>
> Remember that next election.
Good!
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
choudary
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Date: May 07, 2015 08:47AM
One would think that Fairfax County residents would get tired of paying higher taxes simply because of the stupidity of their police department. Three million for the shooting of John Geer after complete stonewalling by the cops and now maintaining information on county residents' driving history and sharing that information with D.C. and Maryland -- all in the face of a contrary ruling by the state's attorney general. One wonders what else the county cops are up to? You certainly cannot trust them to tell the truth or protect the privacy rights of county residents.
But, then, perhaps they are simply following the lead of the county executive: stonewall and lie.
But, then, perhaps they are simply following the lead of the county executive: stonewall and lie.
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
Alexander Smith
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Date: May 07, 2015 04:12PM
choudary Wrote:
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> One would think that Fairfax County residents
> would get tired of paying higher taxes simply
> because of the stupidity of their police
> department. Three million for the shooting of John
> Geer after complete stonewalling by the cops and
> now maintaining information on county residents'
> driving history and sharing that information with
> D.C. and Maryland -- all in the face of a contrary
> ruling by the state's attorney general. One
> wonders what else the county cops are up to? You
> certainly cannot trust them to tell the truth or
> protect the privacy rights of county residents.
>
> But, then, perhaps they are simply following the
> lead of the county executive: stonewall and lie.
+100
The police better stop the license plate tracking. That takes illegal surveillance to a much higher level and we will not put up with it!
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> One would think that Fairfax County residents
> would get tired of paying higher taxes simply
> because of the stupidity of their police
> department. Three million for the shooting of John
> Geer after complete stonewalling by the cops and
> now maintaining information on county residents'
> driving history and sharing that information with
> D.C. and Maryland -- all in the face of a contrary
> ruling by the state's attorney general. One
> wonders what else the county cops are up to? You
> certainly cannot trust them to tell the truth or
> protect the privacy rights of county residents.
>
> But, then, perhaps they are simply following the
> lead of the county executive: stonewall and lie.
+100
The police better stop the license plate tracking. That takes illegal surveillance to a much higher level and we will not put up with it!
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
W7LwD
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Date: May 07, 2015 07:58PM
really i've been suing them for using the wireless feature in new asian cars to snoop at people's car data
suck my dick a while for that
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
DxmLM
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Date: May 07, 2015 07:59PM
they were originially put in to find niggers who'd lease a car and skip town with the car
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
hE6Ex
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Date: May 07, 2015 07:59PM
toyota is going to find their damn car trust me
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
wW9G9
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Date: May 08, 2015 07:06PM
the issue of whether police where going to ignore plates and use VIN broadcast by the car
and if police should be allowed to remotely shut down a vehicle
that was in the news 5 or 10 years after the license plate recording issue was
which was 20 or 30 years ago in the news
and if police should be allowed to remotely shut down a vehicle
that was in the news 5 or 10 years after the license plate recording issue was
which was 20 or 30 years ago in the news
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
They Should Sue
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Date: May 09, 2015 09:02PM
To keep concealed carry information from Maryland and their lousy apple polishing bridge cops who get CCW info from a mere license plate scan then harass law Abiding Virginians who are not carrying any firearms into Maryland.
Pulling them at 56 mph and tossing their cars in a vain search for no gun found.
This said most Md Police are good cops just like Va. But a few bad apples ...
McAwfull The Default Gov of Maryland who does not represent Va. Vetoed a bill passed by 2/3 of the Va State House and almost 2/3 the Senate.
Its one thing to get certain info from a plate scanner such as valid plate not expired. As far as CCW info that should only go out if the actual drivers license is read.
McAwfull could have altered this bill, he chose to represent Maryland.
Pulling them at 56 mph and tossing their cars in a vain search for no gun found.
This said most Md Police are good cops just like Va. But a few bad apples ...
McAwfull The Default Gov of Maryland who does not represent Va. Vetoed a bill passed by 2/3 of the Va State House and almost 2/3 the Senate.
Its one thing to get certain info from a plate scanner such as valid plate not expired. As far as CCW info that should only go out if the actual drivers license is read.
McAwfull could have altered this bill, he chose to represent Maryland.
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
Tranny Underground
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Date: May 09, 2015 09:10PM
Can they tell if the driver is a tranny?
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
Ethan Parker
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Date: May 09, 2015 09:12PM
Tranny Underground Wrote:
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> Can they tell if the driver is a tranny?
That is not relevant.
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> Can they tell if the driver is a tranny?
That is not relevant.
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
HLN3W
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Date: May 10, 2015 05:22PM
.
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
tHbGG
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Date: May 10, 2015 05:23PM
neither is the ^^ ACLU
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
CCW Issue
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Date: May 10, 2015 05:44PM
The license plate data is only kept on CCW holders. It is n the CCW permit. Any permit holder agrees to have his\her movements tracked in VA. Read the CCW permit application.
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
ydGCD
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Date: May 15, 2015 11:39PM
CCW Issue Wrote:
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> The license plate data is only kept on CCW
> holders. It is n the CCW permit. Any permit
> holder agrees to have his\her movements tracked in
> VA. Read the CCW permit application.
Just looked. It's not there.
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> The license plate data is only kept on CCW
> holders. It is n the CCW permit. Any permit
> holder agrees to have his\her movements tracked in
> VA. Read the CCW permit application.
Just looked. It's not there.
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
vbG9h
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Date: May 15, 2015 11:42PM
Just wait until civilians start tracking police movements with open source ALPR Software. Then suddenly it will be 'a problem'. It's coming. Get ready.
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
pNnUC
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Date: May 14, 2016 05:44PM
My related question-
Does the ALPR also "know" if your inspection is expired/rejected? Or does the cop have to physically see it or pull you over for something else first???? Or can they tell simply by radio-ing in your tag #?
I rode past one today and am scared- I'm taking my car in tomorrow for inspection- it says 04/16 on the windshield and I know I need to replace a headlight (I don't drive at night) to pass but I only get paid once a month on the 28th and already spent April's pay (April 28) on paying my mortgage and other bills!! Tags are renewed, I could afford one (the tag renewal, which was $75) or the other so I chose tags since they stick out more....
Does the ALPR also "know" if your inspection is expired/rejected? Or does the cop have to physically see it or pull you over for something else first???? Or can they tell simply by radio-ing in your tag #?
I rode past one today and am scared- I'm taking my car in tomorrow for inspection- it says 04/16 on the windshield and I know I need to replace a headlight (I don't drive at night) to pass but I only get paid once a month on the 28th and already spent April's pay (April 28) on paying my mortgage and other bills!! Tags are renewed, I could afford one (the tag renewal, which was $75) or the other so I chose tags since they stick out more....
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
6KtLF
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Date: May 15, 2016 01:39AM
Makes me wonder about those large metal boxes filled with computer servers located at just about every intersection in the county now. The last time I saw one open I tried to have a glance inside. The county worker slammed the box and sneered. Well, at least he didn't shoot me.
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
Patrick Henry
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Date: May 15, 2016 02:34AM
America--land of the free?????
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LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
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Date: May 15, 2016 03:00AM
Thank God for liberals and the ACLU fighting for our privacy and constitutional rights. We know rightards are police state fascists.
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
WHY??
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Date: May 15, 2016 03:59AM
>Makes me wonder about those large metal boxes filled with computer servers located at just about every intersection in the county now. The last time I saw one open I tried to have a glance inside. The county worker slammed the box and sneered. Well, at least he didn't shoot me.
What this guy said... There's enough computing power in those boxes to run a medium sized country. WHY??
What this guy said... There's enough computing power in those boxes to run a medium sized country. WHY??
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
Libtardz!!! LoLz!!
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Date: May 15, 2016 05:14AM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Thank God for liberals and the ACLU fighting for
> our privacy and constitutional rights. We know
> rightards are police state fascists.
Libtards want big government you fucking idiot.
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> Thank God for liberals and the ACLU fighting for
> our privacy and constitutional rights. We know
> rightards are police state fascists.
Libtards want big government you fucking idiot.
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
w6vTD
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Date: May 15, 2016 10:22AM
i do think the plate tracking law is fine only if used for tracing FELONS who have missed court
however i have a vote of ZERO CONFIDENCE in IT "technology" being able to serve in that capacity
the information would be sold, leaked, "stolen" (sold by corrupt counties run by illegals like fairfax), used for advertising, used for harassment - especially un-Constitutional legal harassment by counties to threaten people into paying more tax and also getting their vehicles seize for police auctions, and so on
IT people to date get a ZERO for proffessional work, and F. legal communities are getting F's on equal access to courts (citizens suits against gov v. gov suits against citizens)
ZERO CONFIDENCE
trust is earned not given
however i have a vote of ZERO CONFIDENCE in IT "technology" being able to serve in that capacity
the information would be sold, leaked, "stolen" (sold by corrupt counties run by illegals like fairfax), used for advertising, used for harassment - especially un-Constitutional legal harassment by counties to threaten people into paying more tax and also getting their vehicles seize for police auctions, and so on
IT people to date get a ZERO for proffessional work, and F. legal communities are getting F's on equal access to courts (citizens suits against gov v. gov suits against citizens)
ZERO CONFIDENCE
trust is earned not given
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
Why Indeed?
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Date: May 16, 2016 02:19AM
>>Makes me wonder about those large metal boxes filled with computer servers located at just about every intersection in the county now. The last time I saw one open I tried to have a glance inside. The county worker slammed the box and sneered. Well, at least he didn't shoot me.
>What this guy said... There's enough computing power in those boxes to run a medium sized country. WHY??
Add to this the aircraft with fake cell phone towers.
They're already tracking and retaining everything. It's easy to retrieve it after some event they're get interested in. Like when they want to know everyone who attended a county commissioner's meeting where the citizens got too uppity.
>What this guy said... There's enough computing power in those boxes to run a medium sized country. WHY??
Add to this the aircraft with fake cell phone towers.
They're already tracking and retaining everything. It's easy to retrieve it after some event they're get interested in. Like when they want to know everyone who attended a county commissioner's meeting where the citizens got too uppity.
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
4KTCb
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Date: May 16, 2016 05:46AM
WHY?? Wrote:
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> >Makes me wonder about those large metal boxes
> filled with computer servers located at just about
> every intersection in the county now. The last
> time I saw one open I tried to have a glance
> inside. The county worker slammed the box and
> sneered. Well, at least he didn't shoot me.
>
> What this guy said... There's enough computing
> power in those boxes to run a medium sized
> country. WHY??
I have actually seen inside one of those boxes. Mostly empty. Appears to be a somewhat standard relay rack inside (from a glance it looked like a 4-post 19"). Mostly empty space but then again that enclosure is sealed for NEMA and weather compliance so it needs space to circulate air.
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> >Makes me wonder about those large metal boxes
> filled with computer servers located at just about
> every intersection in the county now. The last
> time I saw one open I tried to have a glance
> inside. The county worker slammed the box and
> sneered. Well, at least he didn't shoot me.
>
> What this guy said... There's enough computing
> power in those boxes to run a medium sized
> country. WHY??
I have actually seen inside one of those boxes. Mostly empty. Appears to be a somewhat standard relay rack inside (from a glance it looked like a 4-post 19"). Mostly empty space but then again that enclosure is sealed for NEMA and weather compliance so it needs space to circulate air.
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
Hahah hahaha
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Date: May 16, 2016 06:38AM
Hahaha you don't own the plate the state does, therefore the "State" is only track it its own property.
Re: ACLU Sues FCPD Over Tracking Residents License Plates and Logging Movement
Posted by:
jvLY4
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Date: May 18, 2016 08:59AM
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