This would be so great.
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As long as the mattress stores are accessible, I am good!

I don't want my taxes raised to fund this boondoggle.

Man, I'd be up for that! Unless it involves tolls...

Hun Termill Wrote:
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> Man, I'd be up for that! Unless it involves
> tolls...

That's the only way to pay for it. TOLLS!

+1 I agree!

Who proposed it, where's the link. I was looking at a map the other day and was thinking they need to put a parkway right fucking there. It has a name, the Vienna Parkway proposal!

Who would be the primary beneficiary of this proposal? It is doubtful that residents of Vienna or most of those who have to fight their way through Vienna on 123 from Oakton and points south would benefit much. Looks like another real estate development proposal masquerading as a transportation project.

I'm shocked! A reputable real estate developer would never think of doing such a thing!

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Who would be the primary beneficiary of this
> proposal? It is doubtful that residents of Vienna
> or most of those who have to fight their way
> through Vienna on 123 from Oakton and points south
> would benefit much. Looks like another real
> estate development proposal masquerading as a
> transportation project.

Well if you live in BFE Maryland and need to get to the Vienna Mattress stores in a hurry this route would be of great benefit.


.

Basically, this merely upgrades Lawyers Road to some sort of presumably 4-lane parkway, and provides an eastern access to it by crashing through the golf course and a some rather expensive residential neighborhoods. All that to achieve what expanded Boone Boulevard and 267 are already designed to achieve. Don't look for anything to happen in such a format.

In theory, you could squish a minimalist Canal Road-like reversible center lane road in as an extension off Old Courthouse Road (677) to run west from Four Corners and then south Of Tamarack, meeting up with Lawyers Road (673) via Hunter Station Road. But again the point of it would be dubious in the light of other planning.

Basically, this all sounds pretty much like "Please build a new road between my house and my office so I can get to work more quickly."

La-la-land Wrote:
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> provides an eastern access to it by crashing
> through the golf course and a some rather


fuck golf courses. waste of water.

How stupid. Start building elsewhere.....like Montana.

planning man Wrote:
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> This would be so great.

The easier answer would be for the "Town of Vienna" to just figure out how to time the lights through Vienna so that traffic on 123 actually flows. It is fucking ridiculous to have to stop at nearly every light. F'ing idiots.

Easier Answer Wrote:
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> planning man Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This would be so great.
>
> The easier answer would be for the "Town of
> Vienna" to just figure out how to time the lights
> through Vienna so that traffic on 123 actually
> flows. It is fucking ridiculous to have to stop
> at nearly every light. F'ing idiots.


It is a ploy from the mattress cartel to induce you into stopping at one of the many fine mattress retailers in the town.

Why bother building another road? The W&OD Trail already exists and several have already proven that driving it in their car worked just fine...the walkers and cyclists courteously moved aside and let their car pass. Problem solved!

This would benefit all of us. Shift the proposed route a little south in the town to take out the Vienna Inn and all of the mattress shops.

Mattresstown, USA Wrote:
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> Easier Answer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > planning man Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > This would be so great.
> >
> > The easier answer would be for the "Town of
> > Vienna" to just figure out how to time the
> lights
> > through Vienna so that traffic on 123 actually
> > flows. It is fucking ridiculous to have to
> stop
> > at nearly every light. F'ing idiots.
>
>
> It is a ploy from the mattress cartel to induce
> you into stopping at one of the many fine mattress
> retailers in the town.

It is the handiwork of Charles Robinson. He wanted to funnel traffic onto 123 in Vienna in order to generate business.

planning man Wrote:
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> This would be so great.

Just join up the two segments of Abbotsford Dr so motorists can bypass 123 and Church. That would accomplish a great deal.

Re-route it a little bit so it runs through Pudge's baseball field

Easier Answer Wrote:
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> The easier answer would be for the "Town of
> Vienna" to just figure out how to time the lights
> through Vienna so that traffic on 123 actually
> flows. It is fucking ridiculous to have to stop
> at nearly every light. F'ing idiots.

The lights through Vienna are already timed to keep traffic flowing exactly as desired. In the morning, traffic is to be held out of Tysons proper by stacking it up in batches behind the light at 123 and Gosnell. In the evening, the point is again to string traffic out so that it doesn't all hit Oakton/Fairfax at once.

If current settings were not doing the job, they would be reset until they did.

Easier Answer Wrote:
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> planning man Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This would be so great.
>
> The easier answer would be for the "Town of
> Vienna" to just figure out how to time the lights
> through Vienna so that traffic on 123 actually
> flows. It is fucking ridiculous to have to stop
> at nearly every light. F'ing idiots.


Are you some sort of retarded red headed stepchild? The lights are purposely set that way so Assholes like you think twice about cutting through Vienna to shave 2 minutes off your commute to Manassas park or Hoodridgerat.

vienna gridlock Wrote:
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> It is the handiwork of Charles Robinson. He
> wanted to funnel traffic onto 123 in Vienna in
> order to generate business.

From the inception of the Town in its current set-up, it was deliberately designed and developed to keep through-traffic out of residential neighborhoods and off of neighborhood streets. If you are too stupid to think of an alternative to slogging along 123 in the middle of rush hour twice a day, you deserve to slog along 123 in the middle of rush hour twice a day.

if vdot does this, they should make the McLearen one way only, so the Vienna parkway westbound cars can go onto McLearen westbound or West Ox northbound. But people going West Ox Northbound should be forced to use the Fairfax county Pkwy ramp to Vienna pkwy so that there is no backup.

No... Wrote:
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> vienna gridlock Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It is the handiwork of Charles Robinson. He
> > wanted to funnel traffic onto 123 in Vienna in
> > order to generate business.
>
> From the inception of the Town in its current
> set-up, it was deliberately designed and developed
> to keep through-traffic out of residential
> neighborhoods and off of neighborhood streets. If
> you are too stupid to think of an alternative to
> slogging along 123 in the middle of rush hour
> twice a day, you deserve to slog along 123 in the
> middle of rush hour twice a day.

Since I live in the Town of Vienna and spend little time on 123 I respectfully submit that you may be the stupid one here. What you claim is not inconsistent with what I wrote.

Vienna obviously needs a streetcar. Problem solved.

Not needed. Take Metro from Monroe Street Herndon-Reston station.

You want to build a road through a bunch of lawyers' front yards AND through a golf club? Good luck with that.

why so spics can get to obama quicker ?

fuck off

i didnt know it was another 100s of millions of dollars corrupt build by bull-o-va gov

had no idea it would be all spics and niggers buildign the road like always for the last 25 years

time to shut the fuck up

Lawyers lawyers Wrote:
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> You want to build a road through a bunch of
> lawyers' front yards AND through a golf club?
> Good luck with that.

Sigh. And that, alas, is how the cookie crumbles nowadays...sad but true.

vienna gridlock Wrote:
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> Since I live in the Town of Vienna and spend
> little time on 123 I respectfully submit that you
> may be the stupid one here. What you claim is not
> inconsistent with what I wrote.

Nobody who lives in or around Vienna for very long spends much time on 123. It's all these west county goobers who get stacked up out there, day after day after day after day. Meanwhile, the town is packed with cul-de-sacs, short and curvy streets, 4-way stops, speed humps and bumps, and no cross-town arterials. All this was done deliberately and in order to keep annoying through-traffic where it belongs -- on 123. Or out of here entirely.

you are obsolete Wrote:
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> Not needed. Take Metro from Monroe Street
> Herndon-Reston station.

It's a pretty long wait between trains at the moment.

Gee whiz Wrote:
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> vienna gridlock Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Since I live in the Town of Vienna and spend
> > little time on 123 I respectfully submit that
> you
> > may be the stupid one here. What you claim is
> not
> > inconsistent with what I wrote.
>
> Nobody who lives in or around Vienna for very long
> spends much time on 123. It's all these west
> county goobers who get stacked up out there, day
> after day after day after day. Meanwhile, the
> town is packed with cul-de-sacs, short and curvy
> streets, 4-way stops, speed humps and bumps, and
> no cross-town arterials. All this was done
> deliberately and in order to keep annoying
> through-traffic where it belongs -- on 123. Or
> out of here entirely.


So how do you get around town? Seems like the residents of Vienna would be just as inconvenienced as those passing though.

okay then Wrote:
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> So how do you get around town? Seems like the
> residents of Vienna would be just as
> inconvenienced as those passing though.

Bob like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

Gee whiz Wrote:
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> vienna gridlock Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Since I live in the Town of Vienna and spend
> > little time on 123 I respectfully submit that
> you
> > may be the stupid one here. What you claim is
> not
> > inconsistent with what I wrote.
>
> Nobody who lives in or around Vienna for very long
> spends much time on 123. It's all these west
> county goobers who get stacked up out there, day
> after day after day after day. Meanwhile, the
> town is packed with cul-de-sacs, short and curvy
> streets, 4-way stops, speed humps and bumps, and
> no cross-town arterials. All this was done
> deliberately and in order to keep annoying
> through-traffic where it belongs -- on 123. Or
> out of here entirely.


You're nuts. There are ton of cut throughs and work arounds.

Gee whiz Wrote:
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> okay then Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So how do you get around town? Seems like the
> > residents of Vienna would be just as
> > inconvenienced as those passing though.
>
> Bob like a butterfly, sting like a bee.


So you are saying it is "you" that is speeding down the residential streets and annoying your neighbors rather than non-resident commuters? Check!

okay then Wrote:
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>
> So how do you get around town? Seems like the
> residents of Vienna would be just as
> inconvenienced as those passing though.


Ignore him. He's a moron.

Nobody's on 123 other than people who have to be because they live, work, or otherwise have to be there. The last route anyone's using to go elsewhere is through that clusterfuck.

lots of through streets Wrote:
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> You're nuts. There are ton of cut throughs and
> work arounds.

And why exactly are all those cars out there every morning and every evening lined up one behind the other and creeping along for miles? Who keeps them from saving time by doing all those cut throughs and work arounds?

okay then Wrote:
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> So you are saying it is "you" that is speeding
> down the residential streets and annoying your
> neighbors rather than non-resident commuters?
> Check!

Speeding is illegal, little boy, and none is required. Since none of it at all is happening over on 123, the fine young men of the Town Police Force are free to cruise about and look for intrepid explorers who have become lost in the maze of curves and cul-de-sacs, gently directing them back to 123 where they belong. The rest of us just go on about our day.

Gee whiz Wrote:
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the Town Police Force are free to cruise about and look for
> intrepid explorers who have become lost in the
> maze of curves and cul-de-sacs, gently directing
> them back to 123 where they belong. The rest of
> us just go on about our day.


Sounds like a conspiracy. The "Town Police Force"? Is that like the Gestapo?

Gee whiz Wrote:
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> okay then Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So you are saying it is "you" that is speeding
> > down the residential streets and annoying your
> > neighbors rather than non-resident commuters?
> > Check!
>
> Speeding is illegal, little boy, and none is
> required. Since none of it at all is happening
> over on 123, the fine young men of the Town Police
> Force are free to cruise about and look for
> intrepid explorers who have become lost in the
> maze of curves and cul-de-sacs, gently directing
> them back to 123 where they belong. The rest of
> us just go on about our day.


^ Asshole is the kind of Vienna douche who smiles to himself while crawling down Maple, having to go five blocks out of his way to make a left to get back to his street, then bouncing over 12 speed bumps 3 or 4 times both ways in and out every day. So satisfied that he's inconveniencing all of those potential interlopers who don't really exist. lulz

Don't EVER criticize Vienna's speed bumps and stop signs...we not only have more mattress stores than anyone, we are also proud of our phenomenal number of speed bumps and stop signs. And let's not forget those fine, strapping young men who patrol Vienna's many backroads and lanes.

Actually Actually Wrote:
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> And let's not forget those fine, strapping young men who patrol
> Vienna's many backroads and lanes.


Sexist much? I guess the "old boy network" is alive and well in the Town of Vienna. Probably do not have many "coloreds" on the force either.

Gee whiz Wrote:
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> lots of through streets Wrote:
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> > You're nuts. There are ton of cut throughs and
> > work arounds.
>
> And why exactly are all those cars out there every
> morning and every evening lined up one behind the
> other and creeping along for miles? Who keeps
> them from saving time by doing all those cut
> throughs and work arounds?

This area has no shortage of complete fucking morons who couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag. You are no exception to that fact.

lots of through streets Wrote:
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> This area has no shortage of complete fucking
> morons who couldn't find their way out of a wet
> paper bag. You are no exception to that fact.

This area has way too many ignorant goober crybabies who aren't smart enough to keep their fool mouths shut when they don't have anything intelligent to say. The Town of Vienna was planned and developed and has since been maintained in an effort to frustrate would-be commuter through-traffic, confining it to 123 or diverting it off onto town bypasses such as Nutley Street, Gallows Road, and Cedar Lane. This helps clear neighborhood streets for the use of those who actually live in those neighborhoods and pay the taxes that maintain the Town. What a concept. Goober choices are to sit and stew on 123 or get to work via some route that doesn't involve Vienna at all. There are zero voices on the Town Council in favor of making any changes to that.

bumpity bump Wrote:
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> ^ Asshole is the kind of Vienna douche who smiles
> to himself while crawling down Maple, having to go
> five blocks out of his way to make a left to get
> back to his street, then bouncing over 12 speed
> bumps 3 or 4 times both ways in and out every day.
> So satisfied that he's inconveniencing all of
> those potential interlopers who don't really
> exist. lulz

Hardly a surprise, but you've completely missed the point. 99.9% of those mindless slugs out there creeping along on 123 each work-day are those interloper out-of-towners you claim not to exist. Are you blind or just that totally stupid? Locals simply don't go there at peak hours. Unless they are very recent arrivals or just plain dumb themselves, locals learn to time or direct themselves away from all that mess and nonsense. You all don't seem up to that sort of thing, so do have a great time as you crawl through Vienna twice a day at single-digit speeds. You're lucky the Town can't put up a toll booth.

Gee whiz Wrote:
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>
> This area has way too many ignorant goober
> crybabies who aren't smart enough to keep their
> fool mouths shut when they don't have anything
> intelligent to say. The Town of Vienna was
> planned and developed and has since been
> maintained in an effort to frustrate would-be
> commuter through-traffic, confining it to 123 or
> diverting it off onto town bypasses such as Nutley
> Street, Gallows Road, and Cedar Lane. This helps
> clear neighborhood streets for the use of those
> who actually live in those neighborhoods and pay
> the taxes that maintain the Town. What a concept.
> Goober choices are to sit and stew on 123 or get
> to work via some route that doesn't involve Vienna
> at all. There are zero voices on the Town Council
> in favor of making any changes to that.


It's an over-developed mess which happens to sit where it does. There was little to no planning for massive traffic flows until long after most of the town and roads were developed. Nobody headed elsewhere wants to cut through Vienna on an inefficient twisting route through local neighborhoods. Therefore, traffic in the area is due primarily to those who live and work there. Local residents are more affected by the impediments imposed than anyone else simply based on frequency of travel. Congrats, you "win." lol

Toll booth?

Hey, great idea!

Thanks!

Gee whiz Wrote:
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> Hardly a surprise, but you've completely missed
> the point. 99.9% of those mindless slugs out
> there creeping along on 123 each work-day are
> those interloper out-of-towners you claim not to
> exist. Are you blind or just that totally stupid?
> Locals simply don't go there at peak hours.
> Unless they are very recent arrivals or just plain
> dumb themselves, locals learn to time or direct
> themselves away from all that mess and nonsense.
> You all don't seem up to that sort of thing, so do
> have a great time as you crawl through Vienna
> twice a day at single-digit speeds. You're lucky
> the Town can't put up a toll booth.


Yeah, cause Vienna residents and those who have to go there for work and various other reasons during regular business hours live in an alternate world. They don't have to be at work at the usual times which happen to coincide with everyone else headed to work. They stay in their houses and only scurry out between 11:00 am and 2:00 pm or at night. Idiot. lol

Put up a fucking toll for all we care. Guess who it would affect the most?

another reason to hate vienna Wrote:
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> Sexist much? I guess the "old boy network" is
> alive and well in the Town of Vienna. Probably do
> not have many "coloreds" on the force either.

None, as far as I know. While you can try to recruit people, you can't draft people as local police officers. They have to apply. There are four times as many Hispanics as blacks in Vienna, and none of them are sworn officers either. Just the 41 whites and Asians. The same sort of situation exists for every area police force except for Falls Church City. The diversity of their 33-man police force very closely parallels the diversity of the local community. Everywhere else sees a 20% to a more than 50% excess of white officers. FCPD is at 21%. Vienna is at 28%. Manassas is at 37%.

Ferguson, MO, is at 55% in case anyone wanted to know, but even that is not out of line with what's found north, south, east, and west in this country.

Whiz bang Wrote:
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> It's an over-developed mess which happens to sit
> where it does. There was little to no planning
> for massive traffic flows until long after most of
> the town and roads were developed.

Someone does not know a single shred of the relevant history. Plans for blockading and diverting commuter traffic from the west were begun in the 1950's, concurrent with definition and development of the town's first subdivisions. There was much feeling then (and there still is today) for preserving Vienna's "small town" feel while still reaping the benefits of growth. Folks at the time were kind of fired up over things after the controversial move of downtown off of Church Street and the fact that nearly all the mature maple trees that had given Maple Avenue its name were cut down and a whole series of stately Victorian homes along it were demolished in order to accomplish the widening of 123 from a two-lane road to a divided four-lane road. Nobody in Vienna wanted the town left open to invasion even in those days, so the town itself was made as difficult to traverse as possible save for along the designated routes. Those are what's left to you still today.

> Nobody headed elsewhere wants to cut through Vienna
> on an inefficient twisting route through local
> neighborhoods.

So sit there and stew on 123 or come up with some different route entirely. The whole 60-year intent has been to leave you with exactly those two choices. The ball is in your court.

> Therefore, traffic in the area is due primarily to
> those who live and work there. Local residents are
> more affected by the impediments imposed than anyone
> else simply based on frequency of travel. Congrats,
> you "win." lol

Locals once again know better than to take part in the mess that all you outlanders make and get to simmer and stew in every day. Just as was foretold, planned, and arranged for all those years ago. Enjoy!

bumpity bump Wrote:
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> Yeah, cause Vienna residents and those who have to
> go there for work and various other reasons during
> regular business hours live in an alternate world.
> They don't have to be at work at the usual times
> which happen to coincide with everyone else headed
> to work. They stay in their houses and only
> scurry out between 11:00 am and 2:00 pm or at
> night. Idiot. lol

Bad news, bozo. Nobody gives a shit about you or whatever goober corner you may have painted yourself into. Enjoy the sights along 123 every day. If you get bored. imagine how different life might have been had you not been such a dumbfuck at some point in the past.

> Put up a fucking toll for all we care. Guess who
> it would affect the most?

The Town doesn't have the authority, but if it did, locals would of course get a free ride. Guess you didn't (or couldn't) think it through that far.

Gee Whiz Wrote:
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>
> Someone does not know a single shred of the
> relevant history. Plans for blockading and
> diverting commuter traffic from the west were
> begun in the 1950's, concurrent with definition
> and development of the town's first subdivisions....

The changes were made to increase business development on Maple. Primarily to serve more local residents. As the town recalls it:

Quote

In 1954, the first of Vienna's modern shopping centers was opened. More shopping centers followed in quick succession along a widened Maple Avenue in an attempt to keep up with the influx of newcomers who bought homes in the town's new subdivisions. Older residents recall with nostalgia the Victorian homes and the maple trees that lined Maple Avenue before it was widened in 1958.

You wanted development, you got it. It's also been subject to the same massive over development and large increases in density which have happened everywhere else around here.


> So sit there and stew on 123 or come up with some
> different route entirely. The whole 60-year
> intent has been to leave you with exactly those
> two choices. The ball is in your court.
>

I'm not the one sitting on 123. I avoid the area entirely unless I have absolutely no other choice than to be there for some reason. Which I generally don't. Just like everyone else who doesn't have to be there does. Guess who does have to be there on a daily basis?


>
> Locals once again know better than to take part in
> the mess that all you outlanders make and get to
> simmer and stew in every day. Just as was
> foretold, planned, and arranged for all those
> years ago. Enjoy!


They have no choice but to take part. All of the impediments put in place affect locals more than anyone else. There are no secret routes. All of the inconveniences and attempts to circumvent them are a problem for locals on a more frequent basis than for anyone else. If they do take some alternate route that just moves that traffic to affect other local residents.

Enjoy! lol

Vienna's "small town feel."

That's the funniest thing I've heard in years.

Gee whiz Wrote:
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> lots of through streets Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This area has no shortage of complete fucking
> > morons who couldn't find their way out of a wet
> > paper bag. You are no exception to that fact.
>
> This area has way too many ignorant goober
> crybabies who aren't smart enough to keep their
> fool mouths shut when they don't have anything
> intelligent to say. The Town of Vienna was
> planned and developed and has since been
> maintained in an effort to frustrate would-be
> commuter through-traffic, confining it to 123 or
> diverting it off onto town bypasses such as Nutley
> Street, Gallows Road, and Cedar Lane. This helps
> clear neighborhood streets for the use of those
> who actually live in those neighborhoods and pay
> the taxes that maintain the Town. What a concept.
> Goober choices are to sit and stew on 123 or get
> to work via some route that doesn't involve Vienna
> at all. There are zero voices on the Town Council
> in favor of making any changes to that.

Yeah, I'll remember that when I'm cutting through Tapawingo, Cottage, Park, Ayr Hill or the countless other ways I avoid Maple. I guess you're too stupid to figure these out. No surprise there.

Gee whiz Wrote:
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>
> Bad news, bozo. Nobody gives a shit about you or
> whatever goober corner you may have painted
> yourself into. Enjoy the sights along 123 every
> day. If you get bored. imagine how different life
> might have been had you not been such a dumbfuck
> at some point in the past.


My "goober corner" doesn't require dealing with the mess that is Vienna at all other than on rare occasions. There are no speed bumps. No traffic lights at every block. No restricted turns. No parking restrictions. No bump-outs. No having to double back. No traffic regulating or "calming" measures. That's because... wait for it... they're not needed. Enjoy!

>
> The Town doesn't have the authority, but if it
> did, locals would of course get a free ride.
> Guess you didn't (or couldn't) think it through
> that far.


Typically not. Just like they aren't free for people who have to go through tolls near them elsewhere even though they're local. As do their customers and workers. But if you're going to create fantasies then you could do better. Maybe have all of the speed bumps automatically level for local vevhicles. Or just make all of the traffic magically disappear. *poof* Gone. But you can't so... *bump* once again... *bump* Enjoy! *bump* lol

Whiz bang Wrote:
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> The changes were made to increase business
> development on Maple. Primarily to serve more
> local residents. As the town recalls it:

Dumb as a fucking stick. 123 had not been an actual part of WWII-era Vienna. It was a dusty bypass road that led through some fields out back of town on the way to Fairfax City. The far side of 123 was all farms and maybe an orchard here and there. The influx of northerners into the area during and then after the war impacted first on Arlington, then on Falls Church, and then on Vienna in the 1950's. That's when all those particularly south-side subdivisions began, 123 was widened, and the town center was moved because there was no more room for expansion along Church Street. This was also the era in which street planning began to thwart potential invasions feared as the result of still further westward expansions. Tip of the hat from latter-day residents to those who had such foresight.

> You wanted development, you got it. It's also
> been subject to the same massive over development
> and large increases in density which have happened
> everywhere else around here.

Move back to Montana, you confused low-grade goober. The Town itself didn't especially want or ask for development. As you no doubt don't know, tensions between locals and WWII-era newcomers had created something of a powder keg in Arlington, and folks outside the beltway were not necessarily keen on becoming any part of that. But with continuing expansion of the federal workforce and with gasoline and cars becoming available again, the Town was within easy reach of DC. The obvious happened. Property values were bid up, farms were bought out and subdivided, modest homes were built, and people moved into them. Being a Town of course, Vienna had a hand and influence in all of that.

> I'm not the one sitting on 123. I avoid the area
> entirely unless I have absolutely no other choice
> than to be there for some reason. Which I
> generally don't.

Brilliant! You've chosen Option-A from among the two choices that were long ago designed for you. Good boy. Here's a tasty treat.

> Just like everyone else who doesn't have to be there
> does. Guess who does have to be there on a daily basis?

West county goobers, that's who. Locals know to stay away. How many times does this have to be explained to you before some part of it finally starts to sink in?

> They have no choice but to take part. All of the
> impediments put in place affect locals more than
> anyone else. There are no secret routes. All of
> the inconveniences and attempts to circumvent them
> are a problem for locals on a more frequent basis
> than for anyone else. If they do take some
> alternate route that just moves that traffic to
> affect other local residents.

Bullshit. How far away from Vienna do you live anyway? Have you ever actually been there? What a mindless hoser.

Lordy Wrote:
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> Vienna's "small town feel." That's the funniest thing
> I've heard in years.

Obviously, you know exactly nothing about Vienna. Just like the other jerk.

Lordy Wrote:
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> Vienna's "small town feel."
>
> That's the funniest thing I've heard in years.


LOL, so true.

+1

lots of through streets Wrote:
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> Yeah, I'll remember that when I'm cutting through
> Tapawingo, Cottage, Park, Ayr Hill or the
> countless other ways I avoid Maple.

You're not required to travel on Maple Avenue. The plan has always been to keep through traffic out of the neighborhoods by funneling people onto Maple Avenue or onto bypass routes such as Nutley, Gallows, and Cedar Lane. South of 123, Tapawingo connects Nutley to Park which then dumps you onto Cedar Lane and then Gallows Road. Cottage Street leads from 123 (sort of) to Cedar Lane, then goes on to dump you onto Gallows Road all by itself. Ayr Hill is on the even worse north side of town, and it very slowly connects Park Street to East Street, where your choices are to head back out into the country or get back onto 123 where you belong.

> I guess you're too stupid to figure these out. No
> surprise there.

There's nothing to figure out beyond how much slower and more stressful those routes are than simply staying on 123 or finding a way to work that doesn't involve Vienna at all. Google maps make it all look easy to the stupid. It's not that way on the ground.

bumpity bump Wrote:
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> My "goober corner" doesn't require dealing with
> the mess that is Vienna at all other than on rare
> occasions.

So your only purpose here was to make an asshole of yourself? Good work, then! Mission accomplished!

> There are no speed bumps. No traffic lights at
> every block. No restricted turns. No parking
> restrictions. No bump-outs. No having to double
> back. No traffic regulating or "calming" measures.
> That's because... wait for it...they're not needed.

No cars where you are then? No places nearby where people might want to go? Sounds divine! Kind of like Montana.

Gee whiz Wrote:
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> lots of through streets Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yeah, I'll remember that when I'm cutting
> through
> > Tapawingo, Cottage, Park, Ayr Hill or the
> > countless other ways I avoid Maple.
>
> You're not required to travel on Maple Avenue.

You mean the almighty Vienna town council didn't pass a resolution requiring everyone drive on Maple? Truly shocking.

> The plan has always been to keep through traffic
> out of the neighborhoods by funneling people onto
> Maple Avenue or onto bypass routes such as Nutley,
> Gallows, and Cedar Lane. South of 123, Tapawingo
> connects Nutley to Park which then dumps you onto
> Cedar Lane and then Gallows Road. Cottage Street
> leads from 123 (sort of) to Cedar Lane, then goes
> on to dump you onto Gallows Road all by itself.

Yeah. Thereby avoiding Maple by using the town's other streets. I don't go to or through Vienna often, but when I do, I can successfully avoid Maple every single time. Unless, of course, I am going mattress shopping, then I'll travel Maple! LOL!

> Ayr Hill is on the even worse north side of town,
> and it very slowly connects Park Street to East
> Street, where your choices are to head back out
> into the country or get back onto 123 where you
> belong.

Wrong again. Better learn how to read a map.

> > I guess you're too stupid to figure these out.
> No
> > surprise there.
>
> There's nothing to figure out beyond how much
> slower and more stressful those routes are than
> simply staying on 123 or finding a way to work
> that doesn't involve Vienna at all. Google maps
> make it all look easy to the stupid. It's not
> that way on the ground.

It sure as he'll is. I'm sorry if you find driving side streets at speed stressful, but to most well adjusted people, it's no big deal.

Gee whiz Wrote:
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> Dumb as a fucking stick. 123 had not been an
> actual part of WWII-era Vienna...


Why the fuck are you talking about WWII-era Vienna? lol That's not the time period in question. Since then it's been non-stop massive over-development in and around Vienna and the entire area. None of the "traffic calming" measures have done much of anything to make traffic better; rather, just more of a clusterfuck for anyone headed in, out, or through. Guess who has to most frequently?

>
> > I'm not the one sitting on 123. I avoid the
> area
> > entirely unless I have absolutely no other
> choice
> > than to be there for some reason. Which I
> > generally don't.
>
> Brilliant! You've chosen Option-A from among the
> two choices that were long ago designed for you.
> Good boy. Here's a tasty treat.


Unfortunately, Vienna residents can't. Have another bite of that shit sandwich.


>
> > Just like everyone else who doesn't have to be
> there
> > does. Guess who does have to be there on a
> daily basis?
>
> West county goobers, that's who. Locals know to
> stay away. How many times does this have to be
> explained to you before some part of it finally
> starts to sink in?


Here, listen closely. I'll type slowly so you can try to keep up...

Pretty much nobody other than people who live there, work there, or need to be there otherwise are headed in or out of Vienna during the worst of the daily traffic. It's largely not "West county goobers." They have alternate routes few of which are as slow or as much of a mess as 123. Locals in and around Vienna who have to move on or across 123 don't have that option.

You've met the enemy and it's you.


>
> Bullshit. How far away from Vienna do you live
> anyway? Have you ever actually been there? What
> a mindless hoser.

IOW, "Damn, *bump* he's right *bump*"

Enjoy! lol

lots of through streets Wrote:
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> I'm sorry if you find driving side streets at speed stressful,
> but to most well adjusted people, it's no big deal.

LOL!!! Yet another total goober assfuck who now says he doesn't come to Vienna often, yet somehow manages to be an expert on the place. What motivates you sorry-ass goober-douches, anyway? By the way, since Maple Avenue is all clogged up at rush hour, the Vienna Police will be out and about in the neigborhoods, on the prowl for you dumbfuck "at speed" people. If they've never ticketed your loser ass, it's only because you've never fucking been to Vienna and are just shoooting your dumbfuck asstard mouth off here. Moron-pussy to the max.

Cheeze Whizz sounds all butthurt...

Gee whiz Wrote:
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> lots of through streets Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm sorry if you find driving side streets at
> speed stressful,
> > but to most well adjusted people, it's no big
> deal.
>
> LOL!!! Yet another total goober assfuck who now
> says he doesn't come to Vienna often, yet somehow
> manages to be an expert on the place.

It doesn't take too many visits to realize Maple Avenue is a clusterfuck and that work a rounds would be helpful in avoiding heavy wait times on it. Apparently, that's too difficult for you.

> What motivates you sorry-ass goober-douches, anyway?

Providing useful and factual information. You should try it sometime.

> By the way, since Maple Avenue is all clogged up
> at rush hour, the Vienna Police will be out and
> about in the neigborhoods, on the prowl for you
> dumbfuck "at speed" people.

Are you implying that Vienna Police ticket drivers for obeying the traffic laws? You really are a special kind of stupid.

> If they've never ticketed your loser ass, it's only because you've
> never fucking been to Vienna and are just
> shoooting your dumbfuck asstard mouth off here.

Wrong on both counts, but it wouldn't expect you to start being correct at this point.

> Moron-pussy to the max.

Looks like we've got an internet big man here. But, it's too late, the cat's out of the bag. You already admitted to being a pussy when you said you found it stressful to drive on neighborhood streets. Such a fragile little fool you are! LOL!

Whiz bang Wrote:
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> Why the fuck are you talking about WWII-era Vienna?

Because that's where the story begins. And because I like to taunt and toy with pathetic little assfarts like you, to whom such things are incomprehensible on account of your being nothing but an uneducated, clod-hopping dumbfuck loser.

> Since then it's been non-stop massive over-
> development in and around Vienna and the
> entire area.

100% pure goober-shit. No standards, no definitions. Just over the top assfuck hyperbole. Go off and smother yourself or something, you wantonly ignorant troll.

> None of the "traffic calming" measures have done much
> of anything to make traffic better...

Yes, they have and do, as you would know if you ever actually visited Vienna which of course, you insist that you do not do. What a staggeringly worthless assfuck!

> Guess who has to most frequently?

Asked and answered, you dumbass goober pig-fart.

> Here, listen closely. I'll type slowly so you can
> try to keep up...
>
> Pretty much nobody other than people who live
> there, work there, or need to be there otherwise
> are headed in or out of Vienna during the worst of
> the daily traffic.

TOTAL ASSFUCK BULLSHIT. Like everything else your envy-driven, crash-test-dummy, butthurt ass has ever posted. 123 is all boondocks to Tysons and back again at rush hour. Large numbers of actual Vienna people simply mosey on over to Metro. Very handy for locals. The rest of the folks slip out of town unnoticed, perhaps crossing 123 and perhaps not. Nobody local actually sits in all that shit every morning, dorkbrain, and only the truly stupid imagine that they do.

Yessir Wrote:
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> Cheeze Whizz sounds all butthurt...


Well, he is reaping what he sewed!

Bwahahahahahahahah!

The fact that he imagines himself more intelligent than a gnat, let alone anyone posting on thus forum, is the ultimate LOL!

lots of through streets Wrote:
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> It doesn't take too many visits to realize Maple
> Avenue is a clusterfuck and that work a rounds
> would be helpful in avoiding heavy wait times on
> it. Apparently, that's too difficult for you.

LOL! That's exactly the fucking plan, you total moron. Either sit and stew on 123 or come up with a plan that avoids Vienna entirely. Your stupid google-map notions however bought you nothing but even more frustration and delay. Which is why all those cars simply sit on 123 and creep along through town every day.

> Providing useful and factual information. You
> should try it sometime.

I have, but jackshit-knowing assholes want to bicker over it. This despite their self-confessed utter lack of knowledge or experience regarding Vienna. Couple of lame-ass stupid fucktards if ever there were such.

> Are you implying that Vienna Police ticket drivers
> for obeying the traffic laws? You really are a
> special kind of stupid.

No, they are looking for 30 in a 25, not coming to a proper stop at all those sequential stop signs, turning without using your indicator, and of course turning right or left at any of those special places where it is prohibited to do so during rush hour. No need for a ticket in most cases. Just pulling people over to inflict a nice warning dose of delay and paranoia is often quite enough. And of course they do want as well to return the hopelessly lost drivers to their proper place in line back on 123.

> Wrong on both counts, but it wouldn't expect you
> to start being correct at this point.

You're a pathetic joke, asshole. As you've so cleverly demonstrated, you don't know shit about Vienna. Not a goddamned thing.

> Looks like we've got an internet big man here.

Just someone far smarter than you, you worthless loudmouth know-nothing.

> But, it's too late, the cat's out of the bag. You
> already admitted to being a pussy when you said
> you found it stressful to drive on neighborhood
> streets. Such a fragile little fool you are! LOL!

LOL! Make shit up much, you steaming pile of a simpering little half-wit? It's following your mindless google-routes that would be more stressful than simply relaxing one's way through town on 123. Your purposeless detours accomplish nothing and end up taking more time to boot. That's why nobody but inexperienced assfucks tries to use them. Do the people of greater metropolitan Vienna a favor, will you, and just stay as far a+way from the place as you possibly can. We'd rather have another visit from the derecho than endure an additional ten minutes of you. Goober fucking asshole.

More LOLs for all Wrote:
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> Well, he is reaping what he sewed!

The further adventures of TYPO-TURD? What an easy-ass confirmation of your status as nothing but a total fucking goober-ass dumbfuck. As if claiming that 7 minus 1 equals 5 hadn't already been enough to confirm the metastatic and ultimately fatal nature of your terminal goober stupidity. Seen any good solar eclipses lately, asshole? There was one in October you know. Probably the last you'll ever live to see...

Gee whiz Wrote:
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> LOL! That's exactly the fucking plan, you total
> moron. Either sit and stew on 123 or come up with
> a plan that avoids Vienna entirely.

No need. I can encounter smooth sailings on any number of the roads I mentioned. It's easy if you don't get stressed out driving through neighborhoods.

> Your stupid google-map notions however bought you nothing but
> even more frustration and delay.

Wrong again. Wide open roads and traveling at speed is what I encounter. Nary a frustration or delay.

> Which is why all those cars simply sit on 123 and creep along
> through town every day.

Nope. They are just ignoramuses like you. You contended Vienna is a maze of cul de sacs and curvy streets. You are wrong. I mentioned but a few of the ways around it. So, yeah, eat shit, choke on it, and die.

> I have, but jackshit-knowing assholes want to
> bicker over it.

Because your contention is dead wrong. Everyone knows it.

> This despite their self-confessed
> utter lack of knowledge or experience regarding
> Vienna. Couple of lame-ass stupid fucktards if
> ever there were such.

Just because I don't frequent Vienna does not mean I lack knowledge. Having a sibling residing in Vienna means I get there once a month or so. That's enough times to know the ways around Maple. You, on the other hand,can't seem to find your way once off of 123. Do you work at one of the mattress stores?

> No, they are looking for 30 in a 25.

Oh, OK, then go 29. Never been a problem for me.


> You're a pathetic joke, asshole. As you've so
> cleverly demonstrated, you don't know shit about
> Vienna. Not a goddamned thing.

Roundly refuted.

> Just someone far smarter than you, you worthless
> loudmouth know-nothing.

You aren't smarter than my morning turd. In fact, that turd is probably more accomplished than you too. It does, after all, smell better than you.

Gee whiz Wrote:
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> More LOLs for all Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well, he is reaping what he sewed!
>
> The further adventures of TYPO-TURD? What an
> easy-ass confirmation of your status as nothing
> but a total fucking goober-ass dumbfuck. As if
> claiming that 7 minus 1 equals 5 hadn't already
> been enough to confirm the metastatic and
> ultimately fatal nature of your terminal goober
> stupidity. Seen any good solar eclipses lately,
> asshole?

Keys "R" "T" "Y" "U" "I"

Do you know how to count?

Count the number of letters in quotations up there. Go ahead, use your fingers.

What'd you come up with?

OK?

Gee whiz Wrote:
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> ........
>
> TOTAL ASSFUCK BULLSHIT. Like everything else your
> envy-driven, crash-test-dummy, butthurt ass has
> ever posted. 123 is all boondocks to Tysons and
> back again at rush hour. Large numbers of actual
> Vienna people simply mosey on over to Metro. Very
> handy for locals. The rest of the folks slip out
> of town unnoticed, perhaps crossing 123 and perhaps
> not. Nobody local actually sits in all that shit
> every morning, dorkbrain, and only the truly stupid
> imagine that they do.


You know the Asshole is beaten when he goes into ALL CAPS MODE in his usual goober meltdown. lmao

Yeah, because Vienna is the only place in the area with a fucking Metro stop. Which btw most of Vienna needs to DRIVE TO.

OK, time for a pop quiz wiz-for-brains. Let's see if it's getting through yet...

When you put in speed bumps, restrict turns onto streets, and install other inconveniences to keep out the "West county goobers," who has to deal with said inconveniences the most?

Think hard now. This is a tough one. Really noodle it as you *bump* drive *bump* over them *bump* so satisfied *bump* with *bump* yourself.

But remember...

You're winning against those interloping bastards!

Really...

*bump*

Promise...

lol

lots of through streets Wrote:
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> No need. I can encounter smooth sailings on any
> number of the roads I mentioned. It's easy if you
> don't get stressed out driving through neighborhoods.

Like you, I have no occasion at all to follow any of your asshole stress- and delay-inducing google-map notions. I actually know how to slip through or out of town when I need to.

And if you ever did actually visit Vienna during rush hour, you'd find that those roads of yours lead not to "smooth sailing" at all, but rather to dead ends, speed bumps and humps, 4-waY stops, dead ends, no-turn restrictions, Vienna police cars, and returns to 123 and/or the designated bypass routes. But of course you have no actual idea or experience of any of this at all. Too fucking stupid. And after all, you don't pass this way often, including never to visit this imaginary sibling that you've now had to invent in a pathetically clumsy attempt to cover for your earlier stupid-shit mistakes. What a worthless ass-trash jerkwad!

> Nope. They are just ignoramuses like you.

Actually, they are all harried commuters who would take any actual step that would liberate them from the daily time and grind of god-awful 123. You don't have anything, and neither do they. So they sit there and stew.

> You contended Vienna is a maze of cul de sacs and
> curvy streets. You are wrong. I mentioned but a
> few of the ways around it. So, yeah, eat shit,
> choke on it, and die.

Hahahahaha! One big goober mega-fail. Look at a map, moron. The Town was deliberately packed 60 years ago with dead ends, curves, and cul-de-sacs to keep through-traffic from trying to use neighborhood streets as shortcuts. The town was decades ahead of stupid assfucks like you. And in cases where those original plans didn't quite cut the ever-evolving mustard, the Town simply closed some streets at rush hour and made others one-way against the flow. Google that, you hapless asshole! Or ask your fucking sibling! Hahahaha! I bet you two are really close!

> Because your contention is dead wrong. Everyone knows it.

Everyone who is familiar with Vienna is fucking laughing at you, dumbass. Everyone else already knows you and the wiffle-ball doppelganger assfuck qualify only as ignorant turds who simply shoot your fool mouths off in order to hear yourselves puke. Big fucking deal, you asshat low-lifes are!

> Just because I don't frequent Vienna does not mean
> I lack knowledge.

Yes, it does.

> Having a sibling residing in Vienna means I get there
> once a month or so.

LOL! What a fucking loser, loser, loser, loser, loser! My God, but that is just "the dog ate my homework" pathetic!

Sew easy to fool Wrote:
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> Keys "R" "T" "Y" "U" "I"
> Do you know how to count?
> Count the number of letters in quotations up
> there. Go ahead, use your fingers. What'd
> you come up with? OK?

Keys "2" "3" "4" "5" "6". Ergo 7 - 1 = 5.

What a bottom-of-the-barrel absolute numbnuts assfuck.

Whiz bang Wrote:
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> You know the Asshole is beaten when he goes into
> ALL CAPS MODE in his usual goober meltdown. lmao

Wow! What a great point! If one were a worthless pinhead dipshit!

> Yeah, because Vienna is the only place in the area
> with a fucking Metro stop.

Well there are two stations actually, and "only" doesn't enter into it at all. Unless one were a confused uber-stooge. But seemingly there are those goober assfucks out there who do need to be reminded that 123 toward Tysons is quite a long way from being the only commuter route used by those living in the Vienna area. As we have seen in fact, nearly none of them use that abysmal route. No need for fucked up I-66 either. There's another bit of joy and excitement for west county goobers to sit and stew through.

> Which btw most of Vienna needs to DRIVE TO.

LOL! It's a reverse commute to Metro from all of southside, and close to it from a good part of northside as well, especially now that Silver Line service is available.

> OK, time for a pop quiz wiz-for-brains. Let's see
> if it's getting through yet...
>
> When you put in speed bumps, restrict turns onto
> streets, and install other inconveniences to keep
> out the "West county goobers," who has to deal
> with said inconveniences the most?

Hello? The targeted west county goobers, you thick-skulled neanderthal dumbfuck. These things keep the goobers bottled up on 123 or force them to reprogram their daily route away from Vienna altogether. Win-win for Vienna residents. Locals of course simply go about their normal day. Every day is Sunday for them. Except for brief and avoidable bottlenecks near schools. Ask your invisible sibling, asshole. You really are so totally clueless about all this!

Gee whiz seems to think he runs the Vienna "Town" Police.

Gee whiz seems to think he lives in Utopia.

Gee whiz seems to be obsessed with defending his turd "Town".

Gee whiz should stand out on 123 some afternoon with a sign identifying himself and disparaging the commuters on 123 so that he can get his ass kicked.

Gee whiz Wrote:
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> Whiz bang Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You know the Asshole is beaten when he goes
> into
> > ALL CAPS MODE in his usual goober meltdown.
> lmao
>
> Wow! What a great point! If one were a worthless
> pinhead dipshit!


Should have gone with ALL CAPS AGAIN! lol

>
> > Yeah, because Vienna is the only place in the
> area
> > with a fucking Metro stop.
>
> Well there are two stations actually, and "only"
> doesn't enter into it at all. Unless one were a
> confused uber-stooge. But seemingly there are
> those goober assfucks out there who do need to be
> reminded that 123 toward Tysons is quite a long
> way from being the only commuter route used by
> those living in the Vienna area. As we have seen
> in fact, nearly none of them use that abysmal
> route. No need for fucked up I-66 either.
> There's another bit of joy and excitement for west
> county goobers to sit and stew through.
>

So IOW you're saying that rather than the "West county goobers" creating a nuisance by driving through Vienna neighborhoods it's other local residents. Gotcha.


> > Which btw most of Vienna needs to DRIVE TO.
>
> LOL! It's a reverse commute to Metro from all of
> southside, and close to it from a good part of
> northside as well, especially now that Silver Line
> service is available.


There are no reverse commutes these days, especially with Tysons. Might try cutting through the neighborhoods. lol


>
> > OK, time for a pop quiz wiz-for-brains. Let's
> see
> > if it's getting through yet...
> >
> > When you put in speed bumps, restrict turns
> onto
> > streets, and install other inconveniences to
> keep
> > out the "West county goobers," who has to deal
> > with said inconveniences the most?
>
> Hello? The targeted west county goobers, you
> thick-skulled neanderthal dumbfuck. These things
> keep the goobers bottled up on 123 or force them
> to reprogram their daily route away from Vienna
> altogether. Win-win for Vienna residents. Locals
> of course simply go about their normal day. Every
> day is Sunday for them. Except for brief and
> avoidable bottlenecks near schools. Ask your
> invisible sibling, asshole. You really are so
> totally clueless about all this!


You missed your target and backfired. A normal day for local residents is sitting in traffic forever along with everyone else until they (finally) get to their own street where they get to sit through another 3 short-cycling lights to go down 5 blocks to make a turn and come back and *bump* *bump* *bump* all the way home.

Enjoy! lol

Mayor of Mattresstown Wrote:
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> As long as the mattress stores are accessible, I
> am good!


i could have been halucinating but i recently saw a matrress store (many of them) but this one ATTACHTED TO A SMALL CONVENIENCE STORE back to back. not only that: but the mattress store was also very small same size as convenience store selling hot dogs

hmmmmm. mustard cockroaches and mattress. good choice !!!!

wtf ? and why are there so many new mattress stores ?

obama storing a new army around here ?

I want to know why the small town Babbitts of Vienna have thrown every obstacle in the path of the Caboose Microbrewery that is now over six months behind schedule for opening. Don't they want the citizens of this mattress-factory town to be able to anesthetize themselves after that awful gridlocked commute back to their hovels?

Wow, a lot of you are idiots. The OP just trolled your ass good!

Takes a genius with a name like Poo Poo and Pee Pee to figure that out...

Poo Poo and Pee Pee Wrote:
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> Wow, a lot of you are idiots. The OP just trolled
> your ass good!


Maybe we just like the opportunity to hate on the "town" of Vienna no matter how the conversation gets started.

I needed some mattresses recently forgot all about Vienna. I would have been mattress shopping like a boss. Missed opportunity.

Gee whiz Wrote:
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> Like you, I have no occasion at all to follow any
> of your asshole stress- and delay-inducing
> google-map notions.

Fine by me. More open roads flowing at speed for me! Besides, I wouldn't want to share the road with some pussy ass that gets stressed out driving through neighborhoods.

> I actually know how to slip
> through or out of town when I need to.

Yet you claim Vienna has no through streets when in fact it has many. You only travel where your short bus takes you.

> And if you ever did actually visit Vienna during
> rush hour, you'd find that those roads of yours
> lead not to "smooth sailing" at all, but rather to
> dead ends, speed bumps and humps, 4-waY stops,
> dead ends, no-turn restrictions, Vienna police
> cars, and returns to 123 and/or the designated
> bypass routes.

Used to cut right through Vienna every Tuesday during rush hour to get to the end of Mill Street. Never once travelled up or down Maple. Crossed it once each way, but never needed to use it.

> But of course you have no actual
> idea or experience of any of this at all. Too
> fucking stupid. And after all, you don't pass
> this way often, including never to visit this
> imaginary sibling that you've now had to invent in
> a pathetically clumsy attempt to cover for your
> earlier stupid-shit mistakes. What a worthless
> ass-trash jerkwad!

What mistake was that? Saying that Vienna is nothing but cul de sacs? Oh no, so sorry, that'd be your retarded short bus riding sorry ass.

> Hahahahaha! One big goober mega-fail. Look at a
> map, moron. The Town was deliberately packed 60
> years ago with dead ends, curves, and cul-de-sacs
> to keep through-traffic from trying to use
> neighborhood streets as shortcuts.

And yet, there I am cutting across Tapawingo, Kingsley, Park, Cottage, et. al.


> The town was
> decades ahead of stupid assfucks like you. And in
> cases where those original plans didn't quite cut
> the ever-evolving mustard, the Town simply closed
> some streets at rush hour and made others one-way
> against the flow. Google that, you hapless
> asshole! Or ask your fucking sibling! Hahahaha!
> I bet you two are really close!

Unlike you, my family actually likes me. If yours paid you any attention, I doubt you'd be here looking for so much attention. Sort of explains you posting on Christmas morning. Sad really.

> Everyone who is familiar with Vienna is fucking
> laughing at you, dumbass.

Just seems to be you. Notice how nobody is agreeing with your stupid ass?

Again, eat shit, choke on it, and die. You're a waste of space. You've never accomplished a damn thing. You never will. You're a boil on the ass of humanity that needs to be lanced.

Are we reduced to two schizophrenic residents of Vienna arguing with each other?

Somebody has a too-firm mattress....

Are they arguing over who thinks Vienna is better? Too lazy to read that crap.

Too much to read...just two gay men having a slap fight...sort of like Gore Vidal and Truman Capote without the literary talent...

Smokestack Mattress Wrote:
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> I want to know why the small town Babbitts of
> Vienna have thrown every obstacle in the path of
> the Caboose Microbrewery that is now over six
> months behind schedule for opening.

They aren't anywhere near ready to open. They were still excavating out there right up until Christmas. Might sill be, though I haven't been back there since. Has nothing to do with the Town. They just aren't ready. Maybe May or June or something if their bank accounts hold out.

Hops & Barley Wrote:
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> Smokestack Mattress Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I want to know why the small town Babbitts of
> > Vienna have thrown every obstacle in the path
> of
> > the Caboose Microbrewery that is now over six
> > months behind schedule for opening.
>
> They aren't anywhere near ready to open. They
> were still excavating out there right up until
> Christmas. Might sill be, though I haven't been
> back there since. Has nothing to do with the
> Town. They just aren't ready. Maybe May or June
> or something if their bank accounts hold out.


So, you read their Facebook page.

It is documented that permit issues have held up the opening.

Boxspring IPA Wrote:
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> So, you read their Facebook page. It is documented that permit issues have
> held up the opening.

Not familiar with either one. I know excavating equipment when I see it though.

Hops & Barley Wrote:
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> Boxspring IPA Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So, you read their Facebook page. It is
> documented that permit issues have
> > held up the opening.
>
> Not familiar with either one. I know excavating
> equipment when I see it though.


The delays in permits have been reported by local news outlets. Permitting issues have everything to do with the town.

The mattress interests in Vienna don't want disgruntled mattress workers gathering, drinking premium hand-crafted beer, and fomenting revolution.

Calls were made, permits were mysteriously delayed...

Quote

Bringing “good beer” to Vienna is going to have to wait.

Matt Greer was set to open his hybrid gastro-pub and brewery, Caboose Brewing Company, next month but due to permit issues, he is now looking at a late August or early September opening.

“It’s mostly just the approval process for building permits,” Greer says. “We got stuck in a queue with the town of Vienna. They just have a special way of doing things.” Greer chose Vienna to open his brewery because he didn’t want Whole Foods to be the only place to get a good beer with his friends.

According to Greer, Vienna’s board of architectural review only meets once a month. Documentation for changes in his brewery are required 45 days in advance so missing a day can set approval back by one month.

http://www.northernvirginiamag.com/gut-check/2014/05/30/viennas-caboose-brewing-company-delayed-until-late-summer/

Damn you Vienna mattress retailers! Damn you all to hell!!!

Citizen, do not complain. Trucks filled with delicious lite beer will, as always, be available for the Vienna mattress workers to enjoy during special occasions, as determined by the Mattress League and the Vienna Town Council.

The beer might be a bit shaken up, with all the stop-signs and speed-bumps the trucks have to travel through, but rest assured, once your worker's tattoos have been scanned and your credits verified, you will be given your proper ration of MattressLand Beer

Box spring IPA Wrote:
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> The delays in permits have been reported by local
> news outlets. Permitting issues have everything
> to do with the town.

Good evening. I have been asked to point out that the article in Northern Virginia Magazine linked to above reports only the protests of an applicant who has encountered a series of problems in understanding and following basic town, county, regional, and state requirements and practices related to opening the type of business contemplated.

Let me fist point out that neither Mr. Greer nor his partner, Mr. McLaughlin, has any prior experience in operating a restaurant or a brewery. They have been involved only as customers, and entered upon this project principally because they and their friends have been meeting to drink beer at Whole Foods, and they believe that this should change. They have not retained counsel, but are relying on an ability to recruit experts from elsewhere to carry out virtually everything on an as needed basis. This is not a confidence-inspiring business model.

While expecting at the time to be open in June 2014, in an appearance before the Town Board of Zoning Appeals four months prior, they had changed their occupancy request from 75 in the original application to 55, which they attributed to an earlier miscalculation. They believed they would have nine employees but could not call that a firm number. They did not know how many parking spaces they would be required to provide, having assumed that they could simply share existing spaces with other businesses in the immediate area. This is not how it works. They were further not aware of requirements to provide handicapped spaces. They had yet to develop a plan for dumpster placement and service and had not yet prepared estimates of refuse volume. It also became apparent in testimony that then-recent applications to VABC components had been filed in the wrong order.

Applicants were further counting heavily in their testimony on expected walk-in traffic from the W&OD Trail. They had assumed that a path from the trail to their front door could simply form "naturally" and that cyclists could leave their bicycles wherever they wanted while inside. Neither of these assumptions is correct. They had further failed to recognize originally that the NVRPA is opposed to alcohol consumption by those using the Trail. Negotiations for any access at all from the Trail would need to be undertaken with NVRPA.

The partners have retained a brewmaster, Mr. Chris Mallon, who has eight years experience as a senior brewer with Heavy Seas microbrewery in Baltimore. He believes that the pub would brew one day a week, producing 900 gallons of beer in eight hours. He believes that brewing odors will not be a problem, and that the waste grains from the process can be disposed of to local farmers who will come pick them up and haul them away at no cost. Applicants did not yet have a contract in place for this service, nor did they have a contact among area farmers with whom to negotiate one.

This overview paints a somewhat different picture from the one Mr. Greer had sought to put forward. Briefly, delays and difficulties encountered by the applicants have resulted from their own inexperience and unfamiliarity with the process. The town, county, regional and state governments have provided advice and information as they do to all applicants. They have done nothing at all to delay or frustrate progress on any of the standard steps that new business applicants must complete. Hopefully, this information is useful to you.

^^^^^^ just turn it into another mattress store and be done with it.

But seriously, way to step on and squash the American spirit of ingenuity and entrepreneurship.