My daughter came home today with a headache because her lovely school turned off the ac?? Any reason why it was about 90 degrees in her school? I know teachers where working last week so it can't be that they turn if off cause no one uses it but why was it so hot in her classroom?

She needs to toughen up
I know plenty of adults who work in the heat, way above 90.
It will help her in the future.

No SLEEP, no AC

WAH WAH WAH, Future lib in training wheels.

To cut costs, FCPS has instituted a new "Energy Management Plan" that entails not turning on the A/C or heat (depending on season) until 6:30am and shutting it off at 4pm. In other words, the buildings will be extremely uncomfortable all the time. Awful to do this to students and teachers, and downright criminal to do this to custodians who arrive at 3pm and work until 11pm.

Wonder if they are following this protocol at Gatehouse, too?

Get a grip. I attended area schools back when many didn't even have AC. Somehow, we survived.

AC, what the hell was that?
When I was in school all we had was a fan and you can bet we didn't get out early if it was too hot.

: Household 6 Wrote:
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> My daughter came home today with a headache
> because her lovely school turned off the ac?? Any
> reason why it was about 90 degrees in her school?
> I know teachers where working last week so it
> can't be that they turn if off cause no one uses
> it but why was it so hot in her classroom?


Rich people problems.

You had fans? We didn't have fans when I was in FCPS. We had heat. high 80s and above 90 indoor and we just dealt with it. AC in school? Geez.

I remember when it was a big deal going to holmes intermediate cause it had AC.

back in the day Wrote:
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> AC, what the hell was that?
> When I was in school all we had was a fan and you
> can bet we didn't get out early if it was too hot.


So did I. Of course we had these things called WINDOWS that could actually be OPENED. Sometimes we even had these devices called FANS. It is easier to survive without A/C if you are in a buildings designed to be used without A/C.

Yeah. Holmes was built with classrooms in the interior without windows. Probably some sort of fire trap.

Just making our new friends from El Salvador and Guatemala feel at home.

You have it right. The energy management plan is ridiculous. FCPS knew that the weekend would be steaming and they still did not adjust the set times for AC to come on. For the trolls who have to bring up issues OFF the topic - fact is we have no windows in many classrooms and the air was downright unhealthy. AND they are forcing the night crew custodians to work with no AC and no air circulation. This is a stupid cost saving plan that marred the first day for employees and for many students. It really should be a focus of a WAPO story rather than the puff pieces they offer the public.

When I was in school we had no AC and only enough room in the refrigerator for milk. My Steve Canyon lunchpail held baloney and butter sandwiches because the mayo wouldn't hold up. We were healthy. Today, give a kid a peanut and watch it turn blue.

so true Wrote:
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> You have it right. The energy management plan is
> ridiculous. FCPS knew that the weekend would be
> steaming and they still did not adjust the set
> times for AC to come on. For the trolls who have
> to bring up issues OFF the topic - fact is we have
> no windows in many classrooms and the air was
> downright unhealthy. AND they are forcing the
> night crew custodians to work with no AC and no
> air circulation. This is a stupid cost saving plan
> that marred the first day for employees and for
> many students. It really should be a focus of a
> WAPO story rather than the puff pieces they offer
> the public.

Add to that the fact my 12 year old came home literally drenched in sweat because they made him wait in a bus 20 in the 95F heat with the AC OFF. My kid rarely sweats so the fact he was soaking wet means these aholes are doing things to the kids that are not right. The transportation supervisor replied to my email telling me code limited them to no more than 3 min. idling. complete BS by the way.

bCb4K Wrote:
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> so true Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You have it right. The energy management plan
> is
> > ridiculous. FCPS knew that the weekend would be
> > steaming and they still did not adjust the set
> > times for AC to come on. For the trolls who
> have
> > to bring up issues OFF the topic - fact is we
> have
> > no windows in many classrooms and the air was
> > downright unhealthy. AND they are forcing the
> > night crew custodians to work with no AC and no
> > air circulation. This is a stupid cost saving
> plan
> > that marred the first day for employees and for
> > many students. It really should be a focus of a
> > WAPO story rather than the puff pieces they
> offer
> > the public.
>
> Add to that the fact my 12 year old came home
> literally drenched in sweat because they made him
> wait in a bus 20 in the 95F heat with the AC OFF.
> My kid rarely sweats so the fact he was soaking
> wet means these aholes are doing things to the
> kids that are not right. The transportation
> supervisor replied to my email telling me code
> limited them to no more than 3 min. idling.
> complete BS by the way.


I would think a child of yours would sweat through foot pads. Tell it to pant more. Problem solved.

: Household 6 Wrote:
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> My daughter came home today with a headache
> because her lovely school turned off the ac?? Any
> reason why it was about 90 degrees in her school?
> I know teachers where working last week so it
> can't be that they turn if off cause no one uses
> it but why was it so hot in her classroom?


Things fail. Every single day several school air conditioners fail for one reason or another. Not only in Fairfax but everywhere in the world. This is known as reality.

Kids are such pussies today.
AC in schools, AC on school buses.
Mothers to complain and write emails for them.

would you like to see the % of energy/fuel/electricity used by AC in the usa ?

it would surprise you

what if i told you it's more than civilain traffic on roadways ?

they should issue tickets on icecream that's too cold and people who demand to wear shorts in the summer

(pants in the summer, crap, and heating isn't as bad)

LONG PANTS in the summer

bCb4K Wrote:
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> so true Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You have it right. The energy management plan
> is
> > ridiculous. FCPS knew that the weekend would be
> > steaming and they still did not adjust the set
> > times for AC to come on. For the trolls who
> have
> > to bring up issues OFF the topic - fact is we
> have
> > no windows in many classrooms and the air was
> > downright unhealthy. AND they are forcing the
> > night crew custodians to work with no AC and no
> > air circulation. This is a stupid cost saving
> plan
> > that marred the first day for employees and for
> > many students. It really should be a focus of a
> > WAPO story rather than the puff pieces they
> offer
> > the public.
>
> Add to that the fact my 12 year old came home
> literally drenched in sweat because they made him
> wait in a bus 20 in the 95F heat with the AC OFF.
> My kid rarely sweats so the fact he was soaking
> wet means these aholes are doing things to the
> kids that are not right. The transportation
> supervisor replied to my email telling me code
> limited them to no more than 3 min. idling.
> complete BS by the way.

It's true that the bus drivers are not allowed to idle more than three minutes. It's a Fairfax County code instituted by Gerry Connely. The drivers hate that they have to see the kids suffer.

The new "energy management plan" is being run by some outside company that gets to keep a big portion of the savings, so their incentive is discomfort. Wait until it's 5 degrees out again and you can see your breath in school!

"The new "energy management plan" is being run by some outside company that gets to keep a big portion of the savings, so their incentive is discomfort."


Seriously? Is this true?

I saw this reply to the Transportation claiming code prohibited idling more than 3 min. -

"I read the code and while I applaud the efforts to improve air quality Im not sure the code is clear on the matter of school buses idling to provide AC to passengers. The statue reads:

"Section 103-3-10. Mobile sources.

(a) Prohibition of visible emissions from mobile sources. No person shall
cause or permit the emission of visible air contaminants from a mobile source of a
density equal to or greater than twenty (20) percent opacity for longer than five (5)
consecutive seconds after the operating engine of the mobile source has been brought up
to operating temperature.

(b) Prohibition of idling engines of mobile sources. The operating engine of
any mobile source shall not be left idling more than three (3) minutes after the mobile
source has ceased to perform its designed work or function.

One could certainly argue that providing AC to young students on a 95 F day would indeed constitute the buses 'designed work or function.' This interpretation would seem to be supported by the Commonwealth of Virginia Code § 46.2-1224.1. which specifically exempts school buses from its idling restrictions:

"Local ordinances regulating certain parking; penalty.

The governing body of any county having the county manager plan of government may by ordinance prohibit idling the engine of a bus for more than 10 minutes when the bus is parked, left unattended, or is stopped for other than traffic or maintenance reasons. The governing body of any other county, city, or town may by ordinance prohibit idling the engine of a bus for more than 15 minutes when the bus is parked, left unattended, or is stopped for any reason other than traffic, maintenance, or loading or unloading a disabled passenger.

Violators of such ordinance shall be subject to a civil penalty not to exceed $50, the proceeds from which shall be paid into the locality's general fund.

The provisions of this section shall not apply to school buses or public transit buses."

Specifically which procedure would be required to have this interpretation of the code reviewed by transportation such that our students are not left in 100 F+ buses trying to cool off by opening 6" window openings to get 'cooler' 95F air into the bus?

Thanks in advance for your attention to this matter."

your citing code having to do with the government's liability as to forcing children to breath tail pipe fumes (which btw, when idling, goes into bus windows)

more specifically, diesel exhaust, whihc is known to the state of California, and anyone wiht a nose that works, to cause cancer

(if you can't tell diesel exhaust from an old bus will give you cancer - your an idiot or can't smell !)

nFnG3 Wrote:
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> your citing code having to do with the
> government's liability as to forcing children to
> breath tail pipe fumes (which btw, when idling,
> goes into bus windows)
>
> more specifically, diesel exhaust, whihc is known
> to the state of California, and anyone wiht a nose
> that works, to cause cancer


"Section 103-3-10. Mobile sources." Was the code quoted by the FCPS transportation dept not me. Secondly the entire point of writing transportation was to allow drivers to run the AC - no one does that with the door/windows open. If there are fumes entering the bus when the ac is running and it is at idle there is a mechanical problem with the bus. BTW the statue was written as a clean air measure not directly to passengers inhaling bus fumes in situ.

So back to the point - Buses should be able to keep the temp inside the bus below 100F when students are in the bus.

da money Wrote:
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> "The new "energy management plan" is being run by
> some outside company that gets to keep a big
> portion of the savings, so their incentive is
> discomfort."
>
>
> Seriously? Is this true?

Yes.

I think they could work on saving money other ways than by torturing children and the staff. There is a lot of waste. We survived without AC growing up, but our bus rides were also a lot shorter, the rooms had fans, and windows. With the beesting allergies it is hard to keep the windows open all day unless they get screens for all of them.

*********** Wrote:
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> I think they could work on saving money other ways
> than by torturing children and the staff. There
> is a lot of waste. We survived without AC growing
> up, but our bus rides were also a lot shorter, the
> rooms had fans, and windows. With the beesting
> allergies it is hard to keep the windows open all
> day unless they get screens for all of them.


Beesting allergies?

lmao

NO, there are a lot of people allergic to bee stings. They actually require epipens and transport to a hospital. If the windows are open without screens, it is easy access for bees. This isn't a trivial problem.

*********** Wrote:
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> I think they could work on saving money other ways
> than by torturing children and the staff. There
> is a lot of waste. We survived without AC growing
> up, but our bus rides were also a lot shorter, the
> rooms had fans, and windows. With the beesting
> allergies it is hard to keep the windows open all
> day unless they get screens for all of them.


They didn't have Bee Sting Allergies back in the day??

Yes, but I think they just let them die. You can't do than nowadays.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^You can't do THAT nowadays.

In my day we had no ac but we got on the bus and got going - we didnt sit for 20 min in 100 degree heat. Its different here today in fairfax. We have such overcrowding and such a transportation problem these kids get packed in (see poster saying kids rode sitting in the isle). Our schools are in effect our main draw. We need ot embrace this and understand that we have to keep the school experience a good one.

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> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^You can't do THAT nowadays.

As I have said before,
Parents, you're raising your kids to be pussies.

BTW, the whole time I was in school, I never saw a single kid get stung by a bee and DIE, or have any problems from the sting.

4vtdp Wrote:
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> ************** Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^You can't do THAT nowadays.
>
> As I have said before,
> Parents, you're raising your kids to be pussies.
>
> BTW, the whole time I was in school, I never saw a
> single kid get stung by a bee and DIE, or have any
> problems from the sting.


Exactly. It's typical the bullshit. Everything now must revolve around the rare exception even if it's extraordinary so. Same effect seen in the case of other "allergies" which really aren't, massive over-diagnosis of autism and learning disabilities, peanut allergies, etc., etc.

It's amazing that anyone actually survived grade school back in the day given all of the inherent 'dangers.'

It isn't a matter of being a pussy.

1 in 150 children and 3 in 150 adults can have life-threatening reactions to bee stings. In a school system with 180,000 kids and thousands of staff, that is a whole bunch of people. Some people don't know they have a problem until they get stung, their throat closes, and somebody has to call 911.
Obviously people don't live in a glass bubble. People are allergic to peanuts, molds, dust, fruits, and all kinds of stuff. They can't expect the world to revolve around them. Some allergies are on the rise. They just have to be very careful and be prepared. Keeping windows and doors shut or using screens helps to drastically limit their exposure to bee stings.

********** Wrote:
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> It isn't a matter of being a pussy.
>
> 1 in 150 children and 3 in 150 adults can have
> life-threatening reactions to bee stings. In a
> school system with 180,000 kids and thousands of
> staff, that is a whole bunch of people. Some
> people don't know they have a problem until they
> get stung, their throat closes, and somebody has
> to call 911.
> Obviously people don't live in a glass bubble.
> People are allergic to peanuts, molds, dust,
> fruits, and all kinds of stuff. They can't expect
> the world to revolve around them. Some allergies
> are on the rise. They just have to be very careful
> and be prepared. Keeping windows and doors shut or
> using screens helps to drastically limit their
> exposure to bee stings.


Bullshit stats to go with your bullshit argument.

I'm not going to even bother to track down wherever you pulled that number from but I can virtually guarantee that on closer examination it will be a junk stat. At least in the way that you're attempting to use/interpret it.

Even with a FCPS education it should be apparent that at that rate, if it truly were such a danger, then we'd have millions of people dying every year from bee stings. Even reduced by orders of magnitude to grant some exceptions, it still would be 100,000s/10,000s.

The reality is that there are about 50 total deaths/year, many if not most of which are unusual cases and not due to routine single stings.

And, thus, you prove the case of over-reaction.

You forgot that your child should never never ever go outside at anytime. Keep them locked up inside with all the windows and doors shut. Better close the curtains so there are no UV rays they could be exposed to.
Keep them inside in front of the PC, Game system or TV so they can become overweight, but at least they won't get stung by a bee.
Keep them in the stale air you have created and only feed them food you have grown yourself so you'll know it is safe. Wait, scratch that, you would have to go outside for that one.
It must really suck to be your child. It's no wonder the kids today have so many mental and health problems now, You all have created all these problems for your children.

they can't be exposed to sunlight because they are all on ritalin

(if you didnt' know, all that psych drug crap makes you ill if your in sunlight - if you've had too much - and drug companies insure you get too much)

and kidnapping, fc co makes sure to get into the family to create family problems and separation issues,

thus the tinted windows on school buses are 3x purpose: reduce medicated exposure, hide kidnapped children from angry ex's in court fighting to see them, and of course: back room deal with extra bus features

niggers have been submitting DC CITY proposals (i'm a witness) at taj mahal / la courthouse (to board of supervisors) (that's right - mere kids reading off old proposals made in DC to sell to fx to be done by illegals and niggas - and supers get a smile on their face when they hear it - because they are in on "it")

good news is there are now free bicycles for illegals on busses incase they get a flat tire ! how very inner city of you. wonder what bicycle maintenance is cost us?

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how much is "free bicycle on buses" maintenance costing us?

and free computers for illegals ? from countries who try hard to kill our computer industry and really have mostly succeeded ?