Silver Line will be a boon to N.Va. economy, leaders hope
http://www.insidenova.com/news/arlington/silver-line-will-be-a-boon-to-n-va-economy/article_66c613f8-1026-11e4-8c01-001a4bcf887a.html


Metrorail’s Silver Line will boost Northern Virginia’s economy, real estate market, vitality and status, local business and political leaders say.

“I think it gives us a little more notoriety,” said Gerald Gordon, president and CEO of the Fairfax County Economic Development Authority. “You can’t be a major urban area without rail to the [international] airport and all the major markets, like Tysons.”

The Dulles Corridor Metrorail Project’s first phase will inaugurate Silver Line service July 26 along 11.4 miles of track between Falls Church and Reston; a second phase, extending the line 11.7 miles to Route 772 in Loudoun County, is slated to begin service in 2018.

The new rail line has prompted a flurry of redevelopment proposals and was the nucleus around which the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors based the new Tysons Corner comprehensive plan, approved four years ago.

By allowing mixed-use developments of unlimited density within a quarter-mile of four new Metrorail stations there, supervisors hope to sextuple Tysons’ population, double its jobs and encourage people to live, work and play in what now is mostly a commercial area.

‘A Massive Change’

Fairfax County officials have approved several major Tysons redevelopment projects, including a 20-story office tower at 7900 Tysons One Place that overlooks Tysons Corner Station. Intelsat and Deloitte occupy the building, which is owned by Macerich.

Intelsat, a commercial-satellite services provider with offices in the glass tower’s 12th through 20th floors, recently relocated from its former offices in Northwest Washington, D.C.

The change has prompted both elation and anxiety from employees, said spokesman Dianne VanBeber.

Intelsat’s former building, located near the Van Ness Station on Metrorail’s Red Line, was overly large and sprawling, she said.

“We needed a new space where we could collaborate more effectively,” VanBeber said.

The old building had few retail and restaurant options nearby, but Tysons has a bewildering array, she said.

“From a lifestyle standpoint, this was such a massive change,” VanBeber said. “Everyone’s in shock a little bit.”

Many employees will use Metrorail to reach the Tysons building, VanBeber said. Until the Silver Line begins service, the company will continue running a shuttle bus to and from the Orange Line’s West Falls Church Station in south McLean, she said.

Some employees live in suburban Maryland along Interstate 270, and their commutes have worsened. Company leaders encourage employees who drive to telecommute and use flex-time scheduling to avoid peak traffic times, VanBeber said.

Bus Routes, Parking Pose Challenges

The Vienna Town Council recently approved installation of a new stretch of sidewalk along Maple Avenue, E., to provide a safer way for pedestrians to reach Tysons.

Vienna officials will monitor traffic-enforcement issues stemming from increased Tysons traffic and whether commuters are parking their cars on Vienna’s streets to take the Silver Line.

Metrorail’s Vienna Station on the Orange Line is located just southwest of the town’s border and Vienna officials long ago restricted parking on nearby streets to discourage commuters from leaving vehicles there, said Vienna Mayor Laurie DiRocco.

Parking also could become contentious in Tysons, which has only one 711-space temporary lot available for commuters at McLean Station.

Planners did not allow for parking around Tysons’ stations because they hoped to force Silver Line users to walk, bike or ride buses to the stations, said Michael Caplin, executive director of the Tysons Partnership.

Shopping-center owners are taking a wait-and-see approach regarding parking issues and may install gate arms to keep commuters’ vehicles from occupying spaces all day, he said.

Some property owners may hang plastic chains across their parking lots’ entrances until 10 a.m., while others have alerted towing companies about the possible need to remove vehicles, Caplin said.

New bus routes also are important ways of ferrying Silver Line passengers to Metrorail stations. Some Northeast Vienna residents, however, have been vexed by the addition of Fairfax Connector Route 432 through their neighborhoods.

“Whenever there’s change, as with Metro coming in, there’s nervousness about it,” DiRocco said. “There’s good and bad.”

Changes Coming for Housing, Businesses

Realtor Casey Margenau of Casey Margenau Fine Homes said the Silver Line generally will be good for the local real estate market, but those hoping to make a killing by flipping properties may have missed the boat.

“I believe that [the Silver Line’s value] is baked into prices already,” he said. “People already anticipate its being open. Houses near Metro already have had their appreciation.”

New housing in Tysons largely will be condominiums, which will appeal to first-time homebuyers and older people looking to downsize, Margenau said.

“Both groups are looking for homes that are walkable,” he said. “They want higher-quality, smaller lots that need a smaller amount of care.”

Developers in Tysons have been “very patient” in bringing housing inventory online and will continue that practice so as not to flood the market, he said.

Casey Samson of Samson Properties said proximity to Silver Line stations might boost prices by 2 to 3 percent, but other factors count for more.

“Buyers are looking for space, features, traffic flow, functionality, upgrades and schools,” he said. “Metro/transportation is about sixth or seventh on the list. The properties with the best schools are always the winners. They are easy to sell at a premium price.”

Commercial real estate also will be affected by the Silver Line, and Intelsat’s move to Tysons bodes well, Gordon said.

The Economic Development Authority’s mission is to fill the Fairfax’s office space, Gordon said. The county’s office vacancy rate is “very high” at around 18 percent, but it’s only 15 or 16 percent in Tysons Corner – because, in part, because the space is new and hasn’t had time to be filled, he said.

Retail offerings also will see changes. Automobile dealerships near Tysons Metrorail stations likely will disappear in favor of higher-density uses, but the fate of small shopping centers along Route 7 is uncertain, he said.

“As the number of residences grows, we will see relevant shopping, such as grocery stores,” Gordon said. “We’ll see a lot more small businesses. Whether they’ll drive out those small malls is something we’ll have to wait and see. The market will create demand for what it needs.”

The first stations on the Silver Line are slated to open to the public on July 26. (Graphic by Elisa Hernandez/Northern Virginia Media Services)
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strategy. Our "leaders" = fail.

"hope" is not a fucking Wrote:
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> strategy. Our "leaders" = fail.

Go fuck yourself, you dismal ignorant worthless asshole.

$100 bills rain down from heaven, leaders hope.

Will there be access to the streetcar?

The convenience is offset by the higher cost for rail tickets. $10 roundtrip to downtown. About $15 if you need a parking space.

Jameson Wrote:
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> The convenience is offset by the higher cost for
> rail tickets. $10 roundtrip to downtown. About
> $15 if you need a parking space.


I pay about 1/4 of that now in my comfy car.

tysons to dc 2009 civic Wrote:
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> Jameson Wrote:
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> > The convenience is offset by the higher cost
> for
> > rail tickets. $10 roundtrip to downtown.
> About
> > $15 if you need a parking space.
>
>
> I pay about 1/4 of that now in my comfy car.


Not unless you have some sort of free parking.

I agree that it's expensive but probably makes sense dollar-wise for many.

All federal and many private employers subsidize the use of mass transit, from Metro to VRE to van pools. Only a dumbo turns down a free ride.

By the way, one of the nice things about retiring is that your auto insurance rates go through the floor. Why? Because you CAN'T be driving to work anymore. Asshats are paying through the nose to be on the road during rush hour, especially if you are driving into the District. Way to go, morons!

SmarTrip Wrote:
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> All federal and many private employers subsidize
> the use of mass transit, from Metro to VRE to van
> pools. Only a dumbo turns down a free ride.
>
> By the way, one of the nice things about retiring
> is that your auto insurance rates go through the
> floor. Why? Because you CAN'T be driving to work
> anymore. Asshats are paying through the nose to
> be on the road during rush hour, especially if you
> are driving into the District. Way to go, morons!


Not all private employers offer metro subsidies. Just sayin'.

ok but Wrote:
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> don't really see how this boosts much of anything
> until it goes out to dulles. when is phase 2
> scheduled to begin? or is it in limbo?
>
> heard estimates of $16 round trip including
> parking for commuters and an estimated 20k daily
> commuters within a year.


You must not actually live in Fairfax. Reston, Tysons, and Herndon are major work hubs. Its a big deal to get metro access for commercial real estate right now, its what the market wants.

This will be huge for people's property values and tax revenue

I predict that the economy will improve for all those crooks who are hitting those areas. Now they have a quick ride back to the "hood" after a days worth of looting in Reston.

uwtJ3 Wrote:
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> I predict that the economy will improve for all
> those crooks who are hitting those areas. Now they
> have a quick ride back to the "hood" after a days
> worth of looting in Reston.


So I guess Arlington deals with this problem too?

This idea that criminals will use the train to make their escape is more perceived than what it is real. There actually was a case when this exact situation occurred at Springfield Mall/Franconia Metro station, however all things are not equal. Springfield Mall had lax security back in the 1990s-2000s because the owners of the mall were not being proactive in maintaining the mall, they were essentially investors who had no intentions of renovating or attracting new tenants, and security was NOT a priority. Tysons is a different story, there is so much more at stake. Security will be a priority for sure.

Don't worry about the cost or effectiveness. Look how much money my developer buddies are making off this. Keep those taxes rising suckers.

Gerry ConMan Wrote:
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> Don't worry about the cost or effectiveness. Look
> how much money my developer buddies are making off
> this. Keep those taxes rising suckers.


I'm sorry, I don't really understand your point. Development has always been a main premise in the development of the Silver Line. You are acting like this is a bad thing. We want development to occur. If development does not occur, the Silver Line will not pay for itself.

Kthxbai.

@uwtJ3

You must not ride the metro often....that theory only exist from people who don't ride the metro. Just look at the Ballston-Rosslyn corridor its obviously littered with crime and property values have gone down because of metro. You are plain ignorant.

@uwtJ3 Have you ever ridden the Orange line in VA or in Downtown DC??? its all young white professionals straight outta college or older business men...im sure they'll be bringing lots of crime to tysons.

The Human League Wrote:
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> uwtJ3 Wrote:
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> > I predict that the economy will improve for all
> > those crooks who are hitting those areas. Now
> they
> > have a quick ride back to the "hood" after a
> days
> > worth of looting in Reston.
>
>
> So I guess Arlington deals with this problem too?
>
>
> This idea that criminals will use the train to
> make their escape is more perceived than what it
> is real. There actually was a case when this exact
> situation occurred at Springfield Mall/Franconia
> Metro station, however all things are not equal.
> Springfield Mall had lax security back in the
> 1990s-2000s because the owners of the mall were
> not being proactive in maintaining the mall, they
> were essentially investors who had no intentions
> of renovating or attracting new tenants, and
> security was NOT a priority. Tysons is a different
> story, there is so much more at stake. Security
> will be a priority for sure.


Actually you are wrong even about that case. The crime in question was from 2 Woodbridge teenagers abducting an elderly woman, in their car. Let me repeat. They used a car and came from a place without metro right here in Virginia.

And like others pointed out, those afraid of metro crime, have never ridden metro. The people they are afraid of, you know "those people" are outnumbered 100:1 by 20 and 30somethings in suits.

Yeah, I was trying to find the exact news article on the Springfield Mall abduction and had no luck so I was just writing that based on my memory.

But yes, I ride Metro every day and I never have a problem with crime or shady people. Many of these negative perceptions come from people who never actually ride the Metro. One of the comments on the InsideNova article was the following:

"You can count on crime going up..Pentagon city was a great place to shop until the metro came along"

Really? The Metro was at Pentagon City at least 10 years before the mall was built! Before the mall there was no shopping, just an empty field. It clearly shows that people like to spread rumors. Metro is very safe in my opinion.

The Human League Wrote:
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> Gerry ConMan Wrote:
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> > Don't worry about the cost or effectiveness.
> Look
> > how much money my developer buddies are making
> off
> > this. Keep those taxes rising suckers.
>
>
> I'm sorry, I don't really understand your point.
> Development has always been a main premise in the
> development of the Silver Line. You are acting
> like this is a bad thing. We want development to
> occur. If development does not occur, the Silver
> Line will not pay for itself.
>
> Kthxbai.

It's never going to pay for itself but my developer buddies told me to say it would.

Interestingly, this issue arose when the Beltway first opened in 1964. The term "Beltway Bandits" originally referred to mythical robbers some expected to use the new highway to make faster escapes.

Gerry ConMan Wrote:
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> It's never going to pay for itself but my
> developer buddies told me to say it would.

The Metro loses money every time someone gets on it.

> It's never going to pay for itself but my
> developer buddies told me to say it would.

Oh you are adorable... By 2020 Tysons Corner is expected to be Generating $430 Million per year in total tax revenue. It will DEFINITELY pay for itself. In 2010 the FFX board of supervisors decided to adopt the plan to urbanize Tysons and so that opened the gateway to unlimited building density around Metro stations. This has raised the prices of many properties in Tysons.

I should probably stop responding to you, I bet you are a teenage boy who is sitting at home trolling on the internet and watching porn. Find something better to do.

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/planning/tysons_docs/fiscalimpactanalysis.pdf

Tyson's re-Engineer Wrote:
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> Not all private employers offer metro subsidies.
> Just sayin'.

Maybe that's why the post said "All federal and many private employers subsidize the use of mass transit, from Metro to VRE to van pools. Only a dumbo turns down a free ride.

Did you have any other silly non-points to raise?

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> don't really see how this boosts much of anything
> until it goes out to dulles. when is phase 2
> scheduled to begin? or is it in limbo?

Way to keep up. Phase-2 construction began months ago. The projected completion date is in 2018. But as many are simply too inadept to understand or appreciate, all such forward schedules are subject to modification as future circumstances may warrant or dictate.

The Human League Wrote:
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> I'm sorry, I don't really understand your point.

The Gerry-haters don't really have a point. Ever. They just want to say racist and other foolish things.

> Development has always been a main premise in the
> development of the Silver Line. You are acting
> like this is a bad thing. We want development to
> occur.

Makes sense to most folks. But the reactionaries are a little like Osama bin Laden. He didn't want to move forward either. He wanted to go back to the world as it was in the 11th century. The goobers maybe only to colonial times.

Katy Wrote:
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> You must not ride the metro often....that theory
> only exist from people who don't ride the metro.
> Just look at the Ballston-Rosslyn corridor its
> obviously littered with crime and property values
> have gone down because of metro. You are plain
> ignorant.

Another example of "other foolish things". Losers have nothing better to do with their time.

> Makes sense to most folks. But the reactionaries
> are a little like Osama bin Laden. He didn't want
> to move forward either. He wanted to go back to
> the world as it was in the 11th century. The
> goobers maybe only to colonial times.


I see the Silver Line opening as progress. It says so much about Northern Virginia's efforts to be greater than the stereotypical traffic clogged suburb. It also says a lot about sustainability and investment in the future. There is no doubt that the Silver Line will be a wild success.We will probably be seeing decreased traffic on many of Tysons roads (mainly Leesburg Pike and Chain Bridge) in the long term, just like what happened to Arlington with Wilson-Clarendon Blvd and Lee Highway. The Silver Line is a good thing, 47 years of planning and 5 years of construction was too long of a wait. Should have been out here 20 years ago.

Lots of niggers will be invading Tysons Corner Mall and it will soon be full of EBT carrying card members and sleeper cells.

Gerry ConMan Wrote:
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> It's never going to pay for itself but my
> developer buddies told me to say it would.

Stooge. You don;t have any "buddies" anywhere, and you've no clue at all about finance and particularly not about finance as realted to public infrastructure. You're simply a mush-headed dope.

Arlington traffic benefited from the more of the jobs moving outside the Beltway.

Loudoun Boy Wrote:
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> Interestingly, this issue arose when the Beltway
> first opened in 1964. The term "Beltway Bandits"
> originally referred to mythical robbers some
> expected to use the new highway to make faster
> escapes.

No, the two words were merely used consecutively by a 1968 headline writer. The two words as a single concept have always referred to private sector government contracting firms whose headquarters used to be principally located near Beltway interchanges.

SmarTrip Wrote:
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> Gerry ConMan Wrote:
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> > It's never going to pay for itself but my
> > developer buddies told me to say it would.
>
> Stooge. You don;t have any "buddies" anywhere,
> and you've no clue at all about finance and
> particularly not about finance as realted to
> public infrastructure. You're simply a
> mush-headed dope.


+1. Very good assessment of Connolly.

iLester Wrote:
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> Arlington traffic benefited from the more of the
> jobs moving outside the Beltway.


You are retarded. Arlington added 3 times more developed space and traffic went down. If it was from the mass exodus explain all that new development and offices dumb fuck.

Truth Teller Wrote:
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> The Metro loses money every time someone gets on it.

Depending on what year it is, actual fares defray 65-70% of Metro's operating costs. That's higher than for most other transit systems around the country, principally because Metro lacks a dedicated source of funding, and -- without any leverage at all -- must annually go begging to more than half a dozen unreliable local governments for money.

The Human League Wrote:
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> I see the Silver Line opening as progress. It says
> so much about Northern Virginia's efforts to be
> greater than the stereotypical traffic clogged
> suburb. It also says a lot about sustainability
> and investment in the future. There is no doubt
> that the Silver Line will be a wild success.We
> will probably be seeing decreased traffic on many
> of Tysons roads (mainly Leesburg Pike and Chain
> Bridge) in the long term, just like what happened
> to Arlington with Wilson-Clarendon Blvd and Lee
> Highway. The Silver Line is a good thing, 47 years
> of planning and 5 years of construction was too
> long of a wait. Should have been out here 20 years
> ago.

Agree. We don't know all the fine details and particulars, but we do know what the future in general is going too look like around here. The choices are to embrace and prepare for that future, or to be overwhelmed by it. Only the bozo nutcases will go with Option-B.

Racist Ray Wrote:
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> Lots of niggers will be invading Tysons Corner
> Mall and it will soon be full of EBT carrying card
> members and sleeper cells.

Yeah, you racist sub-morons come up with that goober bullshit on a regular basis. It's total nonsense. It has never happened anywhere. You people are ridiculous clowns.

iLester Wrote:
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> Arlington traffic benefited from the more of the
> jobs moving outside the Beltway.

Bogus. Why do you morons even bother? Arlington population and employment declined during the 1970's. Since the opening of Metro to Ballston in December 1979, both have been growing strongly. For the details needed to correct and update your infantile misunderstandings, visit the website of the Arlington County Department of Community Planning, Housing and Development.

SmarTrip Wrote:
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>
> Yeah, you racist sub-morons come up with that
> goober bullshit on a regular basis. It's total
> nonsense. It has never happened anywhere. You
> people are ridiculous clowns.

Obviously you never been to Pentagon City Mall? When it first open in the late 80's it was mainly white. Go there today its full of tourists (mainly white) and niggers who ride the Metro from the hood.

@SmarTrip

FALLS CHURCH, VA. (WUSA) - Thieves have been breaking into homes in Falls Church City and Arlington County by kicking in doors, slashing and breaking windows and walking through unlocked doors.

Police says there have been 10 between September 2 and October 7. They've occured in neighborhoods adjacent to Broadmont in the City of Falls Church and in Arlington between 6 p.m. and 3 a.m. on various days of the week.

Many of the homes hit are near the East Falls Church Metro Station. Police believe the suspects may be using the Metro as an easy getaway.

Police say the suspects entered residences with and without alarms systems. Deputy Chief Mary Gavin says it appears that in a few cases the subjects cased the neighborhoods looking for an empty residence, where no one was home at the time of the incident. In one case, a backpack was left behind.



http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/170940/373/Rash-Of-Burglaries-In-Falls-Church-Near-Metro-Station

+1 Wrote:
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> SmarTrip Wrote:
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> > Gerry ConMan Wrote:
> >
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> > -----
> > > It's never going to pay for itself but my
> > > developer buddies told me to say it would.
> >
> > Stooge. You don;t have any "buddies" anywhere,
> > and you've no clue at all about finance and
> > particularly not about finance as realted to
> > public infrastructure. You're simply a
> > mush-headed dope.
>
>
> +1. Very good assessment of Connolly.

I resemble that statement. I don't have to know anything. I take my orders from Barry, Nancy, Sharon, and their friends too. If anybody argues with me I'll just call them a racist.

Police Apprehend Suspects in Car Thefts, Break-Ins

By FALLS CHURCH TIMES STAFF

September 17, 2010

The following information from Deputy Chief Mary Gavin was sent to Broadmont residents on its neighborhood listserv earlier this week.

On Tuesday 09-14-10 in the early morning hours, officers from Arlington County were called to the area of Tuckahoe Street bordering the City of Falls Church for a possible stolen vehicle. ACPD officers apprehended 3 suspects who were responsible for approximately 30 vehicle break-ins. The suspects were arrested and interviewed in Arlington County with the assistance of City of Falls Church detectives.

The suspects broke into 6 vehicles in the Broadmont neighborhood. The suspects stated in their interviews that they travel to Virginia by Metro. They go into the neighborhoods that are known to keep their vehicle doors unlocks and valuable items inside. They do not break windows as that would attract attention. They only steal from vehicles that are unlocked and steal vehicles with keys in the console.

Racist Ray Wrote:
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> Obviously you never been to Pentagon City Mall?

Dude, everyone has been to Pentagon City at some point or other.

> When it first open in the late 80's it was mainly
> white. Go there today its full of tourists
> (mainly white) and niggers who ride the Metro from
> the hood.

So, your problem in that non-white people shop there? What a waste of time!

not so Smart after all Wrote:
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> FALLS CHURCH, VA. (WUSA) - Thieves have been
> breaking into homes in Falls Church City and
> Arlington County...

So, Dorkbrain, are you proud of the article from 2011 you were able to find that mentions mere speculation that thieves might have used Metro as a means of escape? Any idea how ridiculously weak that is?

SmarTrip Wrote:
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> not so Smart after all Wrote:
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> > FALLS CHURCH, VA. (WUSA) - Thieves have been
> > breaking into homes in Falls Church City and
> > Arlington County...
>
> So, Dorkbrain, are you proud of the article from
> 2011 you were able to find that mentions mere
> speculation that thieves might have used Metro as
> a means of escape? Any idea how ridiculously weak
> that is?

No, I am more inclined to point to the one that actually mentioned that the suspects in a series of vehicle thefts and break ins actually CONFESSED to travelling to VA via the Metro, shitbird.

This one was just to pile on. LoLz

DumbTrip Wrote:
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> Police Apprehend Suspects in Car Thefts,
> Break-Ins
> By FALLS CHURCH TIMES STAFF
> September 17, 2010

Oh looky, looky! This pinhead found an article from 2010. Nice going, goober. Do you realize that there have been nine solar eclipses since that article appeared? The myth of Metro as a conduit for crime is a total joke told only by the dumbest sorts of racist douchebags.

SmarTrip Wrote:
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> DumbTrip Wrote:
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> > Police Apprehend Suspects in Car Thefts,
> > Break-Ins
> > By FALLS CHURCH TIMES STAFF
> > September 17, 2010
>
> Oh looky, looky! This pinhead found an article
> from 2010. Nice going, goober. Do you realize
> that there have been nine solar eclipses since
> that article appeared? The myth of Metro as a
> conduit for crime is a total joke told only by the
> dumbest sorts of racist douchebags.

myth - a widely held but false belief or idea.

Sorry, slappy, when something is a fact, it ceases to be a myth.

I made no mention of the color of the skin of the suspects, nor do I have any idea what race they are...

I bet it sucks when facts completely undermine your warped sense of thinking.

not so Smart after all Wrote:
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> No, I am more inclined to point to the one that
> actually mentioned that the suspects in a series
> of vehicle thefts and break ins actually CONFESSED
> to travelling to VA via the Metro, shitbird. This
> one was just to pile on. LoLz

Get a clue, dirtbag. Your claims are that waves of crime are coming and all you can find in the actual record are the tiniest little bArely recognizable drips and drops from years gone by. Nobody is buying this slop. You are a pathetic waste of everybody's time.

DumbTrip Wrote:
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> myth - a widely held but false belief or idea.
> Sorry, slappy, when something is a fact, it ceases
> to be a myth.

Like a hapless dork, you are grasping at straws. There is no such thing as a trend of one. The myth of Metro as a conduit for crime is pure junk and crapola. It has never happened anywhere. Period. This is feckless fable passed around by the worst of the ignorant, fearful slime in our society.

> I made no mention of the color of the skin of the
> suspects, nor do I have any idea what race they
> are...

You hardly had to, goober. How dumb do you think people are? You're a racist disgrace to the community.

> I bet it sucks when facts completely undermine
> your warped sense of thinking.

Use of the word "warped" is quite ironic coming from a blatant racist liar. Otherwise, facts have never undermined any of my thinking. Facts are the very building blocks of what I believe, and I believe you are one warped and worthless waste of everybody's time. Nine solar eclipses, beanbag. Those were facts.

DumbTrip Wrote:
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> SmarTrip Wrote:
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> > DumbTrip Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > Police Apprehend Suspects in Car Thefts,
> > > Break-Ins
> > > By FALLS CHURCH TIMES STAFF
> > > September 17, 2010
> >
> > Oh looky, looky! This pinhead found an article
> > from 2010. Nice going, goober. Do you realize
> > that there have been nine solar eclipses since
> > that article appeared? The myth of Metro as a
> > conduit for crime is a total joke told only by
> the
> > dumbest sorts of racist douchebags.
>
> myth - a widely held but false belief or idea.
>
> Sorry, slappy, when something is a fact, it ceases
> to be a myth.
>
> I made no mention of the color of the skin of the
> suspects, nor do I have any idea what race they
> are...
>
> I bet it sucks when facts completely undermine
> your warped sense of thinking.


By that theory all white people like gassing jews. After all there was a group of white people who did it in 1941 through 1945. Fuckin retarded. Fact is that there was a case where people were stealing cars and came via metro, 4 years ago. How many other cars pray tell were stolen since then from people who didn't use metro. You fuckin tard. How many crimes were committed in Fairfax in areas that aren't metro accessible you dumb cunt cheese. What are the crime rates of Arlington (heavily transit accessible) versus Fairfax or Prince William for that matter (without metro) you dumb piece of trogolodyte shit stains. Step outside and stick your face into your neighbors freedom machine as it whizzes past your hovel of a house.

Katy Wrote:
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> @uwtJ3
>
> You must not ride the metro often....that theory
> only exist from people who don't ride the metro.
> Just look at the Ballston-Rosslyn corridor its
> obviously littered with crime and property values
> have gone down because of metro. You are plain
> ignorant.


You obviously haven't ridden or walked the New Carrolton station area.

SmarTrip Wrote:
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> DumbTrip Wrote:
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> > myth - a widely held but false belief or idea.
> > Sorry, slappy, when something is a fact, it
> ceases
> > to be a myth.
>
> Like a hapless dork, you are grasping at straws.
> There is no such thing as a trend of one. The
> myth of Metro as a conduit for crime is pure junk
> and crapola. It has never happened anywhere.
> Period. This is feckless fable passed around by
> the worst of the ignorant, fearful slime in our
> society.
>
> > I made no mention of the color of the skin of
> the
> > suspects, nor do I have any idea what race they
> > are...
>
> You hardly had to, goober. How dumb do you think
> people are? You're a racist disgrace to the
> community.
>
> > I bet it sucks when facts completely undermine
> > your warped sense of thinking.
>
> Use of the word "warped" is quite ironic coming
> from a blatant racist liar. Otherwise, facts have
> never undermined any of my thinking. Facts are
> the very building blocks of what I believe, and I
> believe you are one warped and worthless waste of
> everybody's time. Nine solar eclipses, beanbag.
> Those were facts.

I was right (again). Facts upset you.

> myth - a widely held but false belief or idea.
>
> Sorry, slappy, when something is a fact, it ceases
> to be a myth.
>
> I made no mention of the color of the skin of the
> suspects, nor do I have any idea what race they
> are...
>
> I bet it sucks when facts completely undermine
> your warped sense of thinking.


Yes, but crime can happen anywhere!!! Crime happens with cars as the escape method all the time! Should we outlaw cars because they are too dangerous and promote crime? Comparatively Metro has very low crime. Finding one example that disproves the trend of an overall safe Metro system does not support your argument.

To address another issue that someone brought up... Pentagon City Metro Station existed 12 years before the Pentagon City mall was there, it has always been safe. I am not sure why people have this perception that shady people hang out there; it is not the case.

DumbTrip does not use Metro Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> > myth - a widely held but false belief or idea.
> >
> > Sorry, slappy, when something is a fact, it
> ceases
> > to be a myth.
> >
> > I made no mention of the color of the skin of
> the
> > suspects, nor do I have any idea what race they
> > are...
> >
> > I bet it sucks when facts completely undermine
> > your warped sense of thinking.
>
>
> Yes, but crime can happen anywhere!!! Crime
> happens with cars as the escape method all the
> time! Should we outlaw cars because they are too
> dangerous and promote crime? Comparatively Metro
> has very low crime. Finding one example that
> disproves the trend of an overall safe Metro
> system does not support your argument.
>
> To address another issue that someone brought
> up... Pentagon City Metro Station existed 12 years
> before the Pentagon City mall was there, it has
> always been safe. I am not sure why people have
> this perception that shady people hang out there;
> it is not the case.

My only argument is that your contention that criminals don't use the metro to facilitate crime is complete and utter bullshit. You said it didn't happen. I proved it did. Everything else is you just frothing out of your ass.

Sucks to be a bitter bitch like you! LoLz

> I was right (again). Facts upset you.

Facts are my comfort food. Here's one now: You are an ignorant waste of time.

Is the racist claim meanhile that once upon a time police suspected that a group of car-window smashers might have used Metro as a getaway? Or is it that everywhere is overrun by thieving niggers once a Metro line opens nearby? You make the call.

DumbTrip does not use Metro Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yes, but crime can happen anywhere!!! Crime
> happens with cars as the escape method all the
> time! Should we outlaw cars because they are too
> dangerous and promote crime? Comparatively Metro
> has very low crime. Finding one example that
> disproves the trend of an overall safe Metro
> system does not support your argument.

They go with whatever fits their invented racist narrative. They are all about the crudest forms of emotion and nothing more. Fact and reason play no role for them.

> To address another issue that someone brought
> up... Pentagon City Metro Station existed 12 years
> before the Pentagon City mall was there, it has
> always been safe. I am not sure why people have
> this perception that shady people hang out there;
> it is not the case.

Obviously. But they don't care. They'll claim the opposite anyway.

DumbTrip does not use Metro Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> > myth - a widely held but false belief or idea.
> >
> > Sorry, slappy, when something is a fact, it
> ceases
> > to be a myth.
> >
> > I made no mention of the color of the skin of
> the
> > suspects, nor do I have any idea what race they
> > are...
> >
> > I bet it sucks when facts completely undermine
> > your warped sense of thinking.
>
>
> Yes, but crime can happen anywhere!!! Crime
> happens with cars as the escape method all the
> time! Should we outlaw cars because they are too
> dangerous and promote crime? Comparatively Metro
> has very low crime. Finding one example that
> disproves the trend of an overall safe Metro
> system does not support your argument.
>
> To address another issue that someone brought
> up... Pentagon City Metro Station existed 12 years
> before the Pentagon City mall was there, it has
> always been safe. I am not sure why people have
> this perception that shady people hang out there;
> it is not the case.


Thieves Strike Cars at Pentagon City Mall Parking Lot
by ARLnow.com

Thieves struck at least 10 vehicles — including two police cars — at the Pentagon City mall parking lot yesterday (Tuesday) afternoon.

Detectives are investigating 10 reports of car break-ins at the mall parking garage yesterday, including five reports of larcenies from auto (items stolen from inside the car) and five reports of attempted larcenies.

Police believe the incidents took place between 11:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. Two of the victim vehicles belonged to law enforcement agencies, according to Arlington County Police spokesman Dustin Sternbeck. Sternbeck wasn’t able to confirm which agencies were involved, except to say that the vehicles did not belong to Arlington County. ARLnow.com hears that at least one of the vehicles was an undercover Fairfax County police car.

Sternbeck said that mall-goers can help protect themselves from theft by making sure to lock their vehicles and by keeping valuables like iPods, GPS units and cash hidden in a locked glove box or trunk. Shoppers are also asked to report suspicious activity in such parking garages to police or mall security.

DumbTrip Wrote:
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> My only argument is that your contention that
> criminals don't use the metro to facilitate crime
> is complete and utter bullshit. You said it
> didn't happen. I proved it did. Everything else
> is you just frothing out of your ass.
>
> Sucks to be a bitter bitch like you! LoLz


Libtards only accept those facts which support their preconceptions.

SmarTrip Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> > I was right (again). Facts upset you.
>
> Facts are my comfort food.

Yet you can't seem to accept them...

> Here's one now: You
> are an ignorant waste of time.

Says the turd who can't accept facts

> Is the racist claim meanhile that once upon a time
> police suspected that a group of car-window
> smashers might have used Metro as a getaway? Or
> is it that everywhere is overrun by thieving
> niggers once a Metro line opens nearby? You make
> the call.

Law enforcement made the call....

TYSONS CORNER, Va. (WJLA) - With Metro set to open the new Silver Line on July 26, the long-awaited trains should improve public transit in Western Fairfax.

But, there's concern it could bring increased crime with it.

As Metro was busy completing construction on the stations, Fairfax County police were preparing for what the arrival of Metro would mean for Tysons. Authorities expect an uptick in property and nuisance crimes with Metro coming, but hopefully not robberies and assaults.


Read more: http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/06/police-prep-for-potential-uptick-in-crime-near-future-silver-line-stations-104453.html#ixzz38L5uoESG

DumbTrip Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> My only argument is that your contention that
> criminals don't use the metro to facilitate crime
> is complete and utter bullshit. You said it
> didn't happen. I proved it did. Everything else
> is you just frothing out of your ass.

Different poster, dumbass. Meanwhile, you need numbers -- big numbers -- to uphold these idiot claims. Your best is specious teeny tiny numbers. You have failed here, dorko. As always.

> Sucks to be a bitter bitch like you! LoLz

Says the lifetime loser. Go home and soak your head, bozo.

Pentagon City watch robbery video released: $609K worth of Rolex watches taken
March 19, 2013 - 11:27 am
Updated: March 21, 2013 - 11:27 am

Arlington County Police say they're continuing to search for four suspects who robbed a Pentagon City watch store Tuesday, stealing more than $600,000 in Rolexes in the process.

The robbery happened just before 10:40 a.m. Tuesday at the Tourneau store inside the Fashion Centre at Pentagon City, officials say. In surveillance video released by police Thursday, the four masked men walked into the store and went directly toward the Rolex case.

One of the suspects then used a hammer to smash the front of a glass display case, giving him access to the expensive watches. The suspects then made off with 23 Rolex watches with a total value of $609,000. They then fled the mall.

Authorities estimate the suspects were in the store for less than 30 seconds before a fifth suspect in a getaway car helped the robbers get away. That getaway car is described as a gray, four-door sedan.

It was the second smash-and-grab crime at the mall in two months. On Feb. 4, four masked men walked into the Zales Jewelers at the Fashion Centre, shattered a display case with hammers and made off with $128,000 in rings. The men fled in a car driven by a fifth person. Police have not said if they believe the two crimes are related.

Anyone with information on the robbery is asked to contact police at (703) 228-4241.

DumbTrip Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> As Metro was busy completing construction on the
> stations, Fairfax County police were preparing for
> what the arrival of Metro would mean for Tysons.
> Authorities expect an uptick in property and
> nuisance crimes with Metro coming, but hopefully
> not robberies and assaults.

This again? You haven't had it stuffed down your throat often enough yet? The changes contemplated reflect ordinary security protocols based on new numbers and new areas where people will be coming and going in the area. Looks like worthless racists will resort to anything. Since they have to.




>
> Read more:
> http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/06/police-prep-f
> or-potential-uptick-in-crime-near-future-silver-li
> ne-stations-104453.html#ixzz38L5uoESG

Paul Matthew Zeller

Paul Zeller, a 24-year-old Iraq war veteran, was murdered on June 30, 2006, while walking near the Pentagon Row shopping center. Detectives say Mr. Zeller was on his way home from work. He exited the Pentagon City Metro Station shortly before midnight, stopped at a grocery store, and then continued on foot toward his home in the Aurora Highlands neighborhood. He was walking on a sidewalk in the 1300 block of S. Joyce Street when he was shot. The first 911 calls were received at approximately 12:06 a.m. Any new information, no matter how insignificant it may seem, could help detectives solve this case and bring the victim's family some closure. There is a reward of up to $10,000.

smash n grab Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Pentagon City watch robbery video released: $609K
> worth of Rolex watches taken
> March 19, 2013 - 11:27 am
> Updated: March 21, 2013 - 11:27 am
>
> Arlington County Police say they're continuing to
> search for four suspects who robbed a Pentagon
> City watch store Tuesday, stealing more than
> $600,000 in Rolexes in the process.
>
> The robbery happened just before 10:40 a.m.
> Tuesday at the Tourneau store inside the Fashion
> Centre at Pentagon City, officials say. In
> surveillance video released by police Thursday,
> the four masked men walked into the store and went
> directly toward the Rolex case.
>
> One of the suspects then used a hammer to smash
> the front of a glass display case, giving him
> access to the expensive watches. The suspects then
> made off with 23 Rolex watches with a total value
> of $609,000. They then fled the mall.
>
> Authorities estimate the suspects were in the
> store for less than 30 seconds before a fifth
> suspect in a getaway car helped the robbers get
> away. That getaway car is described as a gray,
> four-door sedan.
>
> It was the second smash-and-grab crime at the mall
> in two months. On Feb. 4, four masked men walked
> into the Zales Jewelers at the Fashion Centre,
> shattered a display case with hammers and made off
> with $128,000 in rings. The men fled in a car
> driven by a fifth person. Police have not said if
> they believe the two crimes are related.
>
> Anyone with information on the robbery is asked to
> contact police at (703) 228-4241.


You are able to pick out specific instances of crime, but there is not an abundant amount of evidence that proves that crime is attributed to Metro, or that it is a problem at Pentagon City. Mind you this article is not even related to Metro. Most these negative perceptions are based on speculation.

You are saying that even one instance of crime makes it clear that crime is an issue with Metro, or near the Metro. Pentagon City is one of the busiest metro stations by ridership. You have pointed out a few instances where crime has occurred but the crime statistics make it even clearer that crime is really not an abundant problem.

It is a problem when people convolute crime to be a lot worse than what it really is; rumors are made and negative perceptions make areas appear to be undesirable when it is not the case. Stop the rumors!

smash n grab Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Pentagon City watch robbery video released: $609K
> worth of Rolex watches taken
> March 19, 2013 - 11:27 am
> Updated: March 21, 2013 - 11:27 am
>
> Arlington County Police say they're continuing to
> search for four suspects who robbed a Pentagon
> City watch store Tuesday, stealing more than
> $600,000 in Rolexes in the process.
>
> The robbery happened just before 10:40 a.m.
> Tuesday at the Tourneau store inside the Fashion
> Centre at Pentagon City, officials say. In
> surveillance video released by police Thursday,
> the four masked men walked into the store and went
> directly toward the Rolex case.
>
> One of the suspects then used a hammer to smash
> the front of a glass display case, giving him
> access to the expensive watches. The suspects then
> made off with 23 Rolex watches with a total value
> of $609,000. They then fled the mall.
>
> Authorities estimate the suspects were in the
> store for less than 30 seconds before a fifth
> suspect

in a getaway car helped the robbers get
> away. That getaway car is described as a gray,
> four-door sedan.

>
> It was the second smash-and-grab crime at the mall
> in two months. On Feb. 4, four masked men walked
> into the Zales Jewelers at the Fashion Centre,
> shattered a display case with hammers and made off
> with $128,000 in rings. The men fled in a

car

> driven by a fifth person. Police have not said if
> they believe the two crimes are related.
>
> Anyone with information on the robbery is asked to
> contact police at (703) 228-4241.

You really don't get it Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> smash n grab Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pentagon City watch robbery video released:
> $609K
> > worth of Rolex watches taken
> > March 19, 2013 - 11:27 am
> > Updated: March 21, 2013 - 11:27 am
> >
> > Arlington County Police say they're continuing
> to
> > search for four suspects who robbed a Pentagon
> > City watch store Tuesday, stealing more than
> > $600,000 in Rolexes in the process.
> >
> > The robbery happened just before 10:40 a.m.
> > Tuesday at the Tourneau store inside the
> Fashion
> > Centre at Pentagon City, officials say. In
> > surveillance video released by police Thursday,
> > the four masked men walked into the store and
> went
> > directly toward the Rolex case.
> >
> > One of the suspects then used a hammer to smash
> > the front of a glass display case, giving him
> > access to the expensive watches. The suspects
> then
> > made off with 23 Rolex watches with a total
> value
> > of $609,000. They then fled the mall.
> >
> > Authorities estimate the suspects were in the
> > store for less than 30 seconds before a fifth
> > suspect in a getaway car helped the robbers get
> > away. That getaway car is described as a gray,
> > four-door sedan.
> >
> > It was the second smash-and-grab crime at the
> mall
> > in two months. On Feb. 4, four masked men
> walked
> > into the Zales Jewelers at the Fashion Centre,
> > shattered a display case with hammers and made
> off
> > with $128,000 in rings. The men fled in a car
> > driven by a fifth person. Police have not said
> if
> > they believe the two crimes are related.
> >
> > Anyone with information on the robbery is asked
> to
> > contact police at (703) 228-4241.
>
>
> You are able to pick out specific instances of
> crime, but there is not an abundant amount of
> evidence that proves that crime is attributed to
> Metro, or that it is a problem at Pentagon City.
> Mind you this article is not even related to
> Metro. Most these negative perceptions are based
> on speculation.
>
> You are saying that even one instance of crime
> makes it clear that crime is an issue with Metro,
> or near the Metro. Pentagon City is one of the
> busiest metro stations by ridership. You have
> pointed out a few instances where crime has
> occurred but the crime statistics make it even
> clearer that crime is really not an abundant
> problem.
>
> It is a problem when people convolute crime to be
> a lot worse than what it really is; rumors are
> made and negative perceptions make areas appear to
> be undesirable when it is not the case. Stop the
> rumors!


This racist douche doesn't understand what incidence rate means. He picks out one or two crimes over a decade span. Congratulations (only 1 had to do with metro btw). He doesn't realize that there were 3 murders in Sterling last year alone, and how many in Prince William? Gotta be atleast a dozen. I didn't realize Prince William county had metro. Arlington on the other hand has gone entire years without a murder and its theft crime rate is lower per 1000 than any other county in Northern Virginia.

The arguing douche is just an old fuck retard republican. Simple. Vote Comstock, watch her crash and burn.

You really don't get it Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> smash n grab Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pentagon City watch robbery video released:
> $609K
> > worth of Rolex watches taken
> > March 19, 2013 - 11:27 am
> > Updated: March 21, 2013 - 11:27 am
> >
> > Arlington County Police say they're continuing
> to
> > search for four suspects who robbed a Pentagon
> > City watch store Tuesday, stealing more than
> > $600,000 in Rolexes in the process.
> >
> > The robbery happened just before 10:40 a.m.
> > Tuesday at the Tourneau store inside the
> Fashion
> > Centre at Pentagon City, officials say. In
> > surveillance video released by police Thursday,
> > the four masked men walked into the store and
> went
> > directly toward the Rolex case.
> >
> > One of the suspects then used a hammer to smash
> > the front of a glass display case, giving him
> > access to the expensive watches. The suspects
> then
> > made off with 23 Rolex watches with a total
> value
> > of $609,000. They then fled the mall.
> >
> > Authorities estimate the suspects were in the
> > store for less than 30 seconds before a fifth
> > suspect in a getaway car helped the robbers get
> > away. That getaway car is described as a gray,
> > four-door sedan.
> >
> > It was the second smash-and-grab crime at the
> mall
> > in two months. On Feb. 4, four masked men
> walked
> > into the Zales Jewelers at the Fashion Centre,
> > shattered a display case with hammers and made
> off
> > with $128,000 in rings. The men fled in a car
> > driven by a fifth person. Police have not said
> if
> > they believe the two crimes are related.
> >
> > Anyone with information on the robbery is asked
> to
> > contact police at (703) 228-4241.
>
>
> You are able to pick out specific instances of
> crime, but there is not an abundant amount of
> evidence that proves that crime is attributed to
> Metro, or that it is a problem at Pentagon City.
> Mind you this article is not even related to
> Metro. Most these negative perceptions are based
> on speculation.
>
> You are saying that even one instance of crime
> makes it clear that crime is an issue with Metro,
> or near the Metro. Pentagon City is one of the
> busiest metro stations by ridership. You have
> pointed out a few instances where crime has
> occurred but the crime statistics make it even
> clearer that crime is really not an abundant
> problem.
>
> It is a problem when people convolute crime to be
> a lot worse than what it really is; rumors are
> made and negative perceptions make areas appear to
> be undesirable when it is not the case. Stop the
> rumors!


This racist douche doesn't understand what incidence rate means. He picks out one or two crimes over a decade span. Congratulations (only 1 had to do with metro btw). He doesn't realize that there were 3 murders in Sterling last year alone, and how many in Prince William? Gotta be atleast a dozen. I didn't realize Prince William county had metro. Arlington on the other hand has gone entire years without a murder and its theft crime rate is lower per 1000 than any other county in Northern Virginia.

The arguing douche is just an old fuck retard republican. Simple. Vote Comstock, watch her crash and burn.

Barbara is that you? (R)etards Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> This racist douche doesn't understand what
> incidence rate means. He picks out one or two
> crimes over a decade span. Congratulations (only 1
> had to do with metro btw). He doesn't realize that
> there were 3 murders in Sterling last year alone,
> and how many in Prince William? Gotta be atleast a
> dozen. I didn't realize Prince William county had
> metro. Arlington on the other hand has gone entire
> years without a murder and its theft crime rate is
> lower per 1000 than any other county in Northern
> Virginia.
>
> The arguing douche is just an old fuck retard
> republican. Simple. Vote Comstock, watch her crash
> and burn.


WASHINGTON (WUSA9) -- Metro Transit Police released a mug shot of a man accused of stabbing a male at a Metro station in Arlington on Sunday evening, police said.

Jeffrey Kenneth Hicks is accused of stabbing another male at approximately 8:40 p.m. Sunday at the Ballston Metro stop on the D.C. bound-platform, police said.

The male victim was taken to the hospital with life-threatening injuries, authorities said.

Arlington Police and Metro Transit responded to the incident and recovered a knife. We were told on Sunday that deputies took two suspects into custody.

Hicks is charged with aggravated malicious wounding.

It is unclear what prompted the stabbing.

COpy paste is fun, except when you point out equal or more crime happens elsewhere not at metro

"Less than an hour after they found him guilty of murder, Loudoun jurors Monday recommended that Ryan Williams serve the rest of its life in prison of the 2012 shooting death of a Sterling man.

Williams, 32 was convicted of first-degree murder and use of a firearm in commission of a felony following a week-long trial that started June 8 and included testimony from dozens of witnesses, many of them convicted felons.
He will be formally sentenced at 4 p.m. Friday, Sept. 19. Under Virginia law, a judge may reduce a jury's recommended sentence. Virginia is a no-parole state.
Jovaughn Johnson, 30, was found dead from a gunshot wound in his vehicle parked on the street in area of Great Trail Terrace and Trail Run Terrace Dec. 27, 2012. He had been shot that afternoon, but his body was not found for several hours.
Testifying after the verdict was announced and before the jury deliberated on its sentencing recommendations Monday afternoon, Johnson's mother Mary Marvin told the jury she often lies in bed imagining him sitting the car after he died "along for hours."
"I wasn't there to hold his hand or help him crossover...No one should die alone that way," she said, sobbing. She told the jury all she has now of her son is "7 pounds of his ashes, and he was 8 [pounds] 5 [ounces] when he was born."
Johnson's older sister, Elita, testified that their father died only a year and a half before her brother was killed. "Who is going to give me away at my wedding," she asked.
Marvin said she would not tell the jury what to do for a sentence, but "Mr. Williams will be able to tell his mother he loves her. I will never hear that again."
Marvin and more than a dozen of Johnson's family and friends were present in the courtroom for the trial, and there were tears all around as Marvin and Elita Johnson testified—and more tears, hugs and thanks outside the courtroom as they awaited the jury's recommendation."

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Crime rates in Manassas by Year

Type
2000
2001
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012
Murders
(per 100,000) 2
(5.8) 0
(0.0) 4
(10.6) 3
(8.0) 0
(0.0) 2
(5.3) 2
(5.4) 4
(11.3) 2
(5.7) 1
(2.7) 4
(10.5) 2
(5.0)
Rapes
(per 100,000) 21
(60.9) 16
(44.8) 19
(50.3) 21
(55.9) 21
(55.0) 15
(39.5) 16
(43.6) 20
(56.7) 10
(28.3) 14
(38.0) 17
(44.4) 8
(20.1)
Robberies
(per 100,000) 34
(98.6) 54
(151.4) 27
(71.5) 48
(127.9) 64
(167.7) 72
(189.8) 58
(157.9) 49
(138.8) 56
(158.5) 53
(143.9) 52
(135.9) 51
(128.4)
Assaults
(per 100,000) 78
(226.1) 59
(165.4) 88
(233.0) 91
(242.4) 103
(269.9) 106
(279.4) 121
(329.4) 75
(212.5) 105
(297.3) 66
(179.2) 56
(146.3) 74
(186.2)
Burglaries
(per 100,000) 131
(379.7) 149
(417.6) 115
(304.5) 127
(338.3) 137
(359.0) 160
(421.7) 178
(484.6) 180
(510.1) 152
(430.3) 123
(334.0) 121
(316.1) 111
(279.4)
Thefts
(per 100,000) 1,005
(2,913.0) 1,015
(2,845.0) 903
(2,391.3) 875
(2,331.1) 937
(2,455.6) 927
(2,443.1) 838
(2,281.2) 810
(2,295.3) 831
(2,352.7) 806
(2,188.9) 653
(1,706.2) 741
(1,864.9)
Auto thefts
(per 100,000) 150
(434.8) 150
(420.4) 134
(354.9) 135
(359.7) 122
(319.7) 119
(313.6) 116
(315.8) 89
(252.2) 100
(283.1) 76
(206.4) 57
(148.9) 48
(120.8)
Arson
(per 100,000) 18
(52.2) 16
(44.8) 12
(31.8) 8
(21.3) 12
(31.4) 12
(31.6) 8
(21.8) 5
(14.2) 8
(22.6) 6
(16.3) 4
(10.5) 7
(17.6)
City-data.com crime rate (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 298.9) 326.2 303.3 286.5 305.7 309.8 320.3 322.5 312.6 300.1 252.6 238.4 214.5


Read more: http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Manassas-Virginia.html#ixzz38O9byQ00

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Arlington Crime Data
Crime Data FAQ

CRIME INDEX
44
(100 is safest)
Safer than 44% of
the cities
in the US.
Arlington Annual Crimes
VIOLENT PROPERTY TOTAL
305 3,856 4,161
annual crimes per 1,000 residents
1.47 18.57 20.04
Violent Crime Comparison per 1,000 residents

NATIONAL MEDIAN
3.9
MY CHANCES OF BECOMING A VICTIM

in Arlington
1 in 681
in Virginia
1 in 526
1.47
1.90
Arlington Virginia
Population 207,627Arlington violent crimes
MURDER RAPE ROBBERY ASSAULT
REPORT TOTAL 5 31 112 157
RATE PER 1,000 0.02 0.15 0.54 0.76
Population 313,914,040United States violent crimes
MURDER RAPE ROBBERY ASSAULT
REPORT TOTAL 14,827 84,376 354,522 760,739
RATE PER 1,000 0.05 0.27 1.13 2.42
Property Crime Rate Comparison per 1,000 residents

NATIONAL MEDIAN
28.6
MY CHANCES OF BECOMING A VICTIM

in Arlington
1 in 54
in Virginia
1 in 46
18.57
21.62
Arlington Virginia
Population 207,627Arlington property crimes
BURGLARY THEFT MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
REPORT TOTAL 288 3,392 176
RATE PER 1,000 1.39 16.34 0.85
Population 313,914,040United States property crimes
BURGLARY THEFT MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
REPORT TOTAL 2,103,787 6,150,598 721,053
RATE PER 1,000 6.70 19.59 2.30
Crimes Per Square Mile

NATIONAL MEDIAN
39.3
153
22
Arlington Virginia

Safer than the average Virginia area

SmarTrip Wrote:
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> DumbTrip Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As Metro was busy completing construction on
> the
> > stations, Fairfax County police were preparing
> for
> > what the arrival of Metro would mean for
> Tysons.
> > Authorities expect an uptick in property and
> > nuisance crimes with Metro coming, but
> hopefully
> > not robberies and assaults.
>
> This again?

Yes

> You haven't had it stuffed down your
> throat often enough yet?

Nothing has been stuffed down my throat. Something tells me that you are quite used to the feeling though.

> The changes contemplated
> reflect ordinary security protocols based on new
> numbers and new areas where people will be coming
> and going in the area.

Due to what? Ding ding ding ding. You got it! Metro. Thanks for playing. Tell our moron what he has won!

> Looks like worthless
> racists will resort to anything. Since they have
> to.


Playing the race card? Why is that feeble tactic so prevalent among your kind?

Again, I have no idea what race the aforementioned criminal suspects are. You seem to have an idea. Why don't you share that with us and your reason for knowing what race they are.

DumbTrip Wrote:
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> Yes

Hmmm. Stupid is always hard to fix, but you seem to be a particularly resistant case. What we have here is something called "growth". More people, more property, more economic activity, more wealth. That's the whole purpose. In accommodating growth, roads will be upgraded, utilities and infrastructure will be upgraded, security protocols will be upgraded, and mass transit systems will be upgraded. Such as by building Metro lines. End of story except for racists and the extremely stupid.

> Nothing has been stuffed down my throat.

Yes, it has.

> Due to what? Ding ding ding ding. You got it!
> Metro. Thanks for playing. Tell our moron what
> he has won!

Your "Out of Order" sign has fallen off. Metro is part of the response to growth. Railroads in the 19th century. Streetcars in the early 20th century. Light- and heavy-rail mass transit systems today. Sorry but hardly surprised to learn that you are so far behind the times, and so very, very not with the reality of things.

> Playing the race card? Why is that feeble tactic
> so prevalent among your kind?

Some more "stuffing" here: Calling a racist a racist is not playing the race card.

> Again, I have no idea what race the aforementioned
> criminal suspects are. You seem to have an idea.
> Why don't you share that with us and your reason
> for knowing what race they are.

Most people are much smarter than you are. You will have to do better than that if you intend to fool anyone.

Did someone say "streetcar"?

SmarTrip Wrote:
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> DumbTrip Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yes
>
> Hmmm. Stupid is always hard to fix,

True. No matter how hard I have tried to present you with facts, logic and reason, you still come back with your nonsense. Admitting your problem is a great first step though.

> What we have
> here is something called "growth". More people,
> more property, more economic activity, more
> wealth. That's the whole purpose. In
> accommodating growth, roads will be upgraded,
> utilities and infrastructure will be upgraded,
> security protocols will be upgraded, and mass
> transit systems will be upgraded. Such as by
> building Metro lines. End of story except for
> racists and the extremely stupid.

See, this is the stupid we are talking about. This long winded nonsense has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation between you and I. Growth has nothing to do that the evidence points to the accurate conclusion that access to metro is used by criminals to perpetrate property crimes. Past criminals have admitted as much and the police are preparing for as much.

Deny it all you want, the evidence doesn't lie. You, on the other hand, have provided exactly ZERO evidence to support your the bullshit emanating from your keyboard. Finding any evidence to support your assertion is like finding an apartment in Merrifield renting for $35-40 per sqft per month - non-existent.

> > Nothing has been stuffed down my throat.
>
> Yes, it has.

Sorry, you're the only one gagging here. You know how we know? You're the only one dumb enough to bring it up.

> > Due to what? Ding ding ding ding. You got it!
> > Metro. Thanks for playing. Tell our moron
> what
> > he has won!
>
> Your "Out of Order" sign has fallen off. Metro is
> part of the response to growth. Railroads in the
> 19th century. Streetcars in the early 20th
> century. Light- and heavy-rail mass transit
> systems today. Sorry but hardly surprised to
> learn that you are so far behind the times, and so
> very, very not with the reality of things.

Thanks for the history lesson, but simply changing the subject won't make you any less wrong than you have been. All of what you just wrote has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. It is like me saying that the expansion of the RRs helped hobos get across the country. You'd tell me I'm wrong because those trains also transported goods.

> > Playing the race card? Why is that feeble
> tactic
> > so prevalent among your kind?
>
> Some more "stuffing" here: Calling a racist a
> racist is not playing the race card.

I'll be sure to tell my ethnic minority wife and children that. The only one making racist assumptions here is you. For all I know, the people committing the property crimes via metro could have been lily white young'uns from Vienna. You seem certain that they were minorities from elsewhere. Why is that? Prejudge much?

> > Again, I have no idea what race the
> aforementioned
> > criminal suspects are. You seem to have an
> idea.
> > Why don't you share that with us and your
> reason
> > for knowing what race they are.
>
> Most people are much smarter than you are. You
> will have to do better than that if you intend to
> fool anyone.

Funny thing is you think I am trying to fool someone. You got me, I am trying to fool you with facts. Dumbass.

What a Maroon.

I think we can agree that crime can occur anywhere including Metro. However this argument should not be used as encouragement to stop using Metro, or to say that Northern Virginia is having a crime problem. Metro is generally very safe, as is Northern Virginia.

its funny when you actually use logic to see how dumb all of the partisans are residents

Illegal aliens bad
Metro good

Signed Majority of Fairfax County Residents

uwtJ3 Wrote:
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> I predict that the economy will improve for all
> those crooks who are hitting those areas. Now they
> have a quick ride back to the "hood" after a days
> worth of looting in Reston.


They will take the "hauler" to Reston and steal a BMW of Mercedes for the ride home and drop it off at a chop shop for export to China.

LetsRock Wrote:
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> uwtJ3 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I predict that the economy will improve for all
> > those crooks who are hitting those areas. Now
> they
> > have a quick ride back to the "hood" after a
> days
> > worth of looting in Reston.
>
>
> They will take the "hauler" to Reston and steal a
> BMW of Mercedes for the ride home and drop it off
> at a chop shop for export to China.


You have evidence of this happening 1 time in 10 years in Arlington. So no they wont you dumb cunt. Theres cameras and surveillance all over the place at metro so any criminal who would try that would not be a criminal for long you dumb fuck. Show me the epidemic of this happening anywhere else (outside of a single event) and I'll start seeing your points. Until then I'd point out murders happen in Manassas, in Leesburg, in Vienna, in Springfield, and yet they are isolated incidents. Just because 1 time something happens, doesn't mean you have a crime problem associated with that occurrence. That is the logic you have none of.

LetsRock Wrote:
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> uwtJ3 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I predict that the economy will improve for all
> > those crooks who are hitting those areas. Now
> they
> > have a quick ride back to the "hood" after a
> days
> > worth of looting in Reston.
>
>
> They will take the "hauler" to Reston and steal a
> BMW of Mercedes for the ride home and drop it off
> at a chop shop for export to China.

BTW thanks for logging in when you responded this time LetsRock Stabitha. By the way, calling it the hauler, is why you are a fuckin dumbass racist. You are a dumbass because the "hauler" hauls 99% people in suits. You are a racist because we know you call it the nignog nigger hauler when you aren't logged in.

Lol ok 1 case Wrote:
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>
>
> You have evidence of this happening 1 time in 10
> years in Arlington. So no they wont you dumb cunt.
> Theres cameras and surveillance all over the place
> at metro so any criminal who would try that would
> not be a criminal for long you dumb fuck. Show me
> the epidemic of this happening anywhere else
> (outside of a single event) and I'll start seeing
> your points. Until then I'd point out murders
> happen in Manassas, in Leesburg, in Vienna, in
> Springfield, and yet they are isolated incidents.
> Just because 1 time something happens, doesn't
> mean you have a crime problem associated with that
> occurrence. That is the logic you have none of.


Yeah, cause they'd NEVER do anything illegal where there are cameras.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKLCnGtZPf8


lulz

Anyone that think that the metro is going to bring crime to Tysons is RETARDED...its like the people out in Colorado that thought legalizing marijuana was going to make the sky fall.

Site a handful of examples over years and years and you think your right...and who thinks metro is a good get away plan anyway? Its not like theres always a train ready to go at the platform. Plus theres tons of people there as witnesses...they got lucky!!

Metro will not bring crime...the people that think it will are downright stupid!!!

Katy Wrote:
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> Site a handful of examples over years and years
> and you think your right...and who thinks metro is
> a good get away plan anyway? Its not like theres
> always a train ready to go at the platform. Plus
> theres tons of people there as witnesses...they
> got lucky!!

Sharron Wrote:
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> Anyone that think that the metro is going to bring
> crime to Tysons is RETARDED...its like the people
> out in Colorado that thought legalizing marijuana
> was going to make the sky fall.


And now they're apparently having second thoughts.

Million Dollar Bus Stop Wrote:
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> Did someone say "streetcar"?

Yes, which is of course the Pavlovian cue for trained-seal full-on morons to mention "million dollar bus stops" that don't exist. Ork! Ork!

SmarTrip Wrote:
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> Million Dollar Bus Stop Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Did someone say "streetcar"?
>
> Yes, which is of course the Pavlovian cue for
> trained-seal full-on morons to mention "million
> dollar bus stops" that don't exist. Ork! Ork!


You're right. It was $1,015,000. Before the added cost to fix leaks in the roof, rain diversion, and redesigning cooling for the electronic display.

detail details Wrote:
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> SmarTrip Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Million Dollar Bus Stop Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Did someone say "streetcar"?
> >
> > Yes, which is of course the Pavlovian cue for
> > trained-seal full-on morons to mention "million
> > dollar bus stops" that don't exist. Ork! Ork!
>
>
> You're right. It was $1,015,000. Before the added
> cost to fix leaks in the roof, rain diversion, and
> redesigning cooling for the electronic display.

ORK ORK ORK

God life must suck living in such a socialist area for you doesn't it. Sucklin on the teets of the govt while thinking you are some teaparty hero. I'll show you my teabags if you shut the fuck up already and leave for Florida dumb cunt.

SmarTrip Wrote:
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> Million Dollar Bus Stop Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Did someone say "streetcar"?
>
> Yes, which is of course the Pavlovian cue for
> trained-seal full-on morons to mention "million
> dollar bus stops" that don't exist. Ork! Ork!


Looks pretty real to me.






Criminals don't take WMATA, $1M bus stops don't exist...

What part of NoVA do you live in? Fantasyland?

DumbTrip Wrote:
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> True. No matter how hard I have tried to present
> you with facts, logic and reason, you still come
> back with your nonsense. Admitting your problem
> is a great first step though.

Such a cute reaction. That's why I enjoy regularly pissing on you. I'll be doing that some more, btw.

> See, this is the stupid we are talking about.
> This long winded nonsense has absolutely nothing
> to do with the conversation between you and I.

"Between you and ME", moron.

> Growth has nothing to do that the evidence points
> to the accurate conclusion that access to metro is
> used by criminals to perpetrate property crimes.
> Past criminals have admitted as much and the
> police are preparing for as much.

Yo, you ignorant racist. You have tried to attach crime to Metro without explaining (because you have absolutely no shot at it) how Metro is any more conducive to use by criminals than cars, buses, bicycles, or any other means of transportation. All of these have long histories of use by criminal and non-criminal elements alike, but you desperately want to pretend that Metro is somehow special and will open the door to massive Tysons area crime waves, this despite the fact that it has not happened anywhere else before. Not at Pentagon City. Not at White Flint. Not at Chevy Chase Pavillion. Not a Mazza Gallerie. Not at Ballston Common. Nowhere. Rational people understand that any crime that was going to come to Tysons from any Silver Line Metro stop would already have been here years ago. But like so much else, that's gone right over your addled little dust-filled head.

> Deny it all you want, the evidence doesn't lie.

Yes, I know. But none of it favors you. Meanwhile, I have nine solar eclipses on my side. Stupid pea-brain.

> I'll be sure to tell my ethnic minority wife and
> children that. The only one making racist
> assumptions here is you. For all I know, the
> people committing the property crimes via metro
> could have been lily white young'uns from Vienna.
> You seem certain that they were minorities from
> elsewhere. Why is that? Prejudge much?

Dude, it is you who's been uncritically and unreservedly propagating the racist Metro meme. Too late to turn back now.

> Funny thing is you think I am trying to fool someone.

Yes, it seems that success with yourself has prompted you to move on to bigger and better things. Fail, fail, fail, however! Such an epic loser!

detail details Wrote:
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> You're right. It was $1,015,000. Before the added
> cost to fix leaks in the roof, rain diversion, and
> redesigning cooling for the electronic display.

Bullshit piled on top of bullshit.

LOL at how this took off when I compared the Silver Line to Pentagon City. If there is money the niggers will find it. Go to Chevy Chase near the DC line and see how often the Montgomery County Police are hanging in front of the Tiffany/Jimmy Cho and other overpriced stores near Clyde's and the METRO!

ORK ORK ORK Wrote:
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> detail details Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SmarTrip Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Million Dollar Bus Stop Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Did someone say "streetcar"?
> > >
> > > Yes, which is of course the Pavlovian cue for
> > > trained-seal full-on morons to mention
> "million
> > > dollar bus stops" that don't exist. Ork!
> Ork!
> >
> >
> > You're right. It was $1,015,000. Before the
> added
> > cost to fix leaks in the roof, rain diversion,
> and
> > redesigning cooling for the electronic display.
>
>
> ORK ORK ORK
>
> God life must suck living in such a socialist area
> for you doesn't it. Sucklin on the teets of the
> govt while thinking you are some teaparty hero.
> I'll show you my teabags if you shut the fuck up
> already and leave for Florida dumb cunt.


Typical dumbshit response. When you have nothing to say, say it bigger and louder. lmao

SmarTrip Wrote:
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> detail details Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You're right. It was $1,015,000. Before the
> added
> > cost to fix leaks in the roof, rain diversion,
> and
> > redesigning cooling for the electronic display.
>
> Bullshit piled on top of bullshit.


You already answered once dumbshit.

Ork Ork

lmao

here in the real world Wrote:
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> Looks pretty real to me.

Oh it's real alright. It just didn't cost a million dollars. That's just goober-slop fed to you by disinformation media propagandists. Nice work in slurping it up, doofus.

> Criminals don't take WMATA, $1M bus stops don't exist...

Everyone takes Metro, numb-nuts. How often do you do English anyway?

> What part of NoVA do you live in? Fantasyland?

Not sure where in NoVa this "Fanatsyland" of yours is, but I live among the intelligent people. Which is to say, nowhere near you.

Racist Ray Wrote:
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> LOL at how this took off when I compared the
> Silver Line to Pentagon City. If there is money
> the niggers will find it. Go to Chevy Chase near
> the DC line and see how often the Montgomery
> County Police are hanging in front of the
> Tiffany/Jimmy Cho and other overpriced stores near
> Clyde's and the METRO!

Yeah, you're a real leader, Ray. But tell us...do they have guards riding in the armored cars as well?

Live from Vienna Asshole's Ass Wrote:
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> Typical dumbshit response. When you have nothing
> to say, say it bigger and louder. lmao

He had a good idea about your leaving for Florida though.

SmarTrip Wrote:
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> DumbTrip Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > True. No matter how hard I have tried to
> present
> > you with facts, logic and reason, you still
> come
> > back with your nonsense. Admitting your
> problem
> > is a great first step though.
>
> Such a cute reaction. That's why I enjoy
> regularly pissing on you. I'll be doing that some
> more, btw.

Sorry, the only pissing you're doing is in your diaper.

> > See, this is the stupid we are talking about.
> > This long winded nonsense has absolutely
> nothing
> > to do with the conversation between you and I.
>
> "Between you and ME", moron.

Yup. I can admit when I am wrong. You, clearly can't. It's one of your many character flaws. Now hold on a second while I go look for a 40K sqft lot in a residential neighborhood in Merrifield. Can you help me out with that? LoLz

> > Growth has nothing to do that the evidence
> points
> > to the accurate conclusion that access to metro
> is
> > used by criminals to perpetrate property crimes.
>
> > Past criminals have admitted as much and the
> > police are preparing for as much.
>
> Yo, you ignorant racist. You have tried to attach
> crime to Metro without explaining (because you
> have absolutely no shot at it) how Metro is any
> more conducive to use by criminals than cars,
> buses, bicycles, or any other means of
> transportation.

Factual evidence has been provided. You can't seem to understand or accept facts. I can see how that can be a problem for you.

> All of these have long histories
> of use by criminal and non-criminal elements
> alike, but you desperately want to pretend that
> Metro is somehow special and will open the door to
> massive Tysons area crime waves, this despite the
> fact that it has not happened anywhere else
> before.

I said that where? All I did was counter your inane contention that people don't use Metro to commit crimes. Facts show they do. Even law enforcement recognizes it which is why they are preparing for it. This really isn't difficult, so I have to wonder just how effing stupid you are that you don't understand it.

> Not at Pentagon City. Not at White
> Flint. Not at Chevy Chase Pavillion. Not a Mazza
> Gallerie. Not at Ballston Common. Nowhere.
> Rational people understand that any crime that was
> going to come to Tysons from any Silver Line Metro
> stop would already have been here years ago. But
> like so much else, that's gone right over your
> addled little dust-filled head.

So, those cars and homes near EFC were going to get broken into if the Metro wasn't there. Were these suspects somehow getting there by teleportation? Listen to yourself fumble along here. It strains all credulity.

> > Deny it all you want, the evidence doesn't lie.
>
>
> Yes, I know. But none of it favors you.
> Meanwhile, I have nine solar eclipses on my side.
> Stupid pea-brain.

More with the eclipses? Something tells me you were looking directly at them.

> > I'll be sure to tell my ethnic minority wife
> and
> > children that. The only one making racist
> > assumptions here is you. For all I know, the
> > people committing the property crimes via metro
> > could have been lily white young'uns from
> Vienna.
> > You seem certain that they were minorities from
> > elsewhere. Why is that? Prejudge much?
>
> Dude, it is you who's been uncritically and
> unreservedly propagating the racist Metro meme.
> Too late to turn back now.

At what point did I mention race (until you did)? Be specific. I have no idea what race the criminals mentioned above are. You seem to know for sure.

> > Funny thing is you think I am trying to fool
> someone.
>
> Yes, it seems that success with yourself has
> prompted you to move on to bigger and better
> things. Fail, fail, fail, however! Such an epic
> loser!

You seem upset. Taken your medication today? Maybe it is time for a trip to your doctor. I pay good money for it, so go ahead and make an appointment.

Racist Ray Wrote:
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> LOL at how this took off when I compared the
> Silver Line to Pentagon City. If there is money
> the

niggers

will find it. Go to Chevy Chase near
> the DC line and see how often the Montgomery
> County Police are hanging in front of the
> Tiffany/Jimmy Cho and other overpriced stores near
> Clyde's and the METRO!


Yea, its us playin the racist card right Stabby? Right? Its not you under your multiple teaparty gadsden names

Ain't be foolin nobody Wrote:
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> You already answered once dumbshit.

And just once.

SmarTrip Wrote:
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> Not sure where in NoVa this "Fanatsyland" of yours
> is, but I live among the intelligent people.
> Which is to say, nowhere near you.


TRANSLATION: I live at the Lamb Center.

SmarTrip Wrote:
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> here in the real world Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Looks pretty real to me.
>
> Oh it's real alright. It just didn't cost a
> million dollars. That's just goober-slop fed to
> you by disinformation media propagandists. Nice
> work in slurping it up, doofus.

Damn Washington Post and their disinformation campaigns! I should have known better.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/1-million-bus-stop-opens-in-arlington/2013/03/24/49e5c47e-917c-11e2-9abd-e4c5c9dc5e90_story.html

Don't tell this guy though: http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/1602077/1602199.html#msg-1602199

He seems impressed with the post. I am sure he'd tell you that they are wrong about their misinformation campaign.

DumbTrip Wrote:
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> Sorry, the only pissing you're doing is in your diaper.

Zero points. Yet again!

> Now hold on a second while I go look for a 40K
> sqft lot in a residential neighborhood in
> Merrifield. Can you help me out with that? LoLz

No. If you want to live in Merrifeld, I suggest asking a realtor to drive you through the area.

> Factual evidence has been provided.

No, it hasn't. You posted ancient meaningless speculation. Because that's the best you've got. Serious people are still laughing over it.

> All I did was counter your inane contention that
> people don't use Metro to commit crimes.

Never asserted. You've quite gone around the bend.

> More with the eclipses?

Yes, they're a nice standard for illustrating how utterly thin and phony your claims have been. Worthless racist drivel, basically.

> You seem upset. Taken your medication today?

So eighth-grade cool! But still zero points, moron. Same as it ever was.

The Tea party would rather spend $1-2 Trillion on a War that is draining taxpayer money and in countries that hate us rather than spend the money here in the US. $6 Billion for the Metro Silver Line is peanuts! Same with the Columbia Pike Streetcar. If anything, the US should be investing in mass transit, however we are not because of politics! The Koch Brothers tried to lobby against the Silver Line, as well as numerous other public transit projects throughout the US. They make $135 Billion in revenue each year and donate to organizations that will help push their agenda.

SmarTrip Wrote:
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> No, it hasn't. You posted ancient meaningless
> speculation.

Emails from law enforcement are speculation? Emails that mention what the suspects in custody told them are speculation?

Just when I think you can't get any more idiotic, you go and post this? Thanks for the laugh, Joey.

Keep posting. I have no hesitation about embarrassing you more, old timer. Just make sure the Mrs. changes the Depends before you post next time.

swing and a miss Wrote:
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> Damn Washington Post and their disinformation
> campaigns! I should have known better.

Yes, you should have. But dumb folks often fall for goober pig-slop. That's why so much of it is written. Go behind the pig-slop and you'll find that no million dollar bus stop has ever existed and none will. You CAN do stuff that's beyond pig-slop, can't you?

> Don't tell this guy though:

??? It'll be our little secret then, okay Dorko?

SmarTrip Wrote:
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> Ain't be foolin nobody Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You already answered once dumbshit.
>
> And just once.

Ork Ork

oh gawd Wrote:
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> The Tea party would rather spend $1-2 Trillion on
> a War that is draining taxpayer money and in
> countries that hate us rather than spend the money
> here in the US. $6 Billion for the Metro Silver
> Line is peanuts! Same with the Columbia Pike
> Streetcar. If anything, the US should be investing
> in mass transit, however we are not because of
> politics! The Koch Brothers tried to lobby against
> the Silver Line, as well as numerous other public
> transit projects throughout the US. They make $135
> Billion in revenue each year and donate to
> organizations that will help push their agenda.

Ork Ork

If we don't start doing something about how we live our lives, global warming is going to affect us in a big way. Renewable energy and sustainable transportation should be implemented by federal law. Sorry if this sounds extreme, but the oil/coal lobbyists are hindering a lot of progress that should be going on.

Metro should have another wave of investment that creates more core capacity so that we can we can expand further into the suburbs. Orange Line to Centreville, Blue Line to Lorton/Woodbridge, Yellow Line down route 1; perhaps even create another rail line down Columbia pike. Is it expensive? YES, but it will change how land is developed, and it will discourage further sprawl. We need to begin the dialogue on how we will reduce energy consumption, or convert over entirely to renewable energy sources.

I never ride in anything with less than a V10 in it, the power is great for weaving around in traffic.

It only gets about 8mpg but that's okay, it's my money. It is so comfy, I love it!

oh gawd Wrote:
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> If we don't start doing something about how we
> live our lives, global warming is going to affect
> us in a big way. Renewable energy and sustainable
> transportation should be implemented by federal
> law. Sorry if this sounds extreme, but the
> oil/coal lobbyists are hindering a lot of progress
> that should be going on.
>
> Metro should have another wave of investment that
> creates more core capacity so that we can we can
> expand further into the suburbs. Orange Line to
> Centreville, Blue Line to Lorton/Woodbridge,
> Yellow Line down route 1; perhaps even create
> another rail line down Columbia pike. Is it
> expensive? YES, but it will change how land is
> developed, and it will discourage further sprawl.
> We need to begin the dialogue on how we will
> reduce energy consumption, or convert over
> entirely to renewable energy sources.

Ork Ork

oh gawd Wrote:
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> If we don't start doing something about how we
> live our lives, global warming is going to affect
> us in a big way. Renewable energy and sustainable
> transportation should be implemented by federal
> law. Sorry if this sounds extreme, but the
> oil/coal lobbyists are hindering a lot of progress
> that should be going on.
>
> Metro should have another wave of investment that
> creates more core capacity so that we can we can
> expand further into the suburbs. Orange Line to
> Centreville, Blue Line to Lorton/Woodbridge,
> Yellow Line down route 1; perhaps even create
> another rail line down Columbia pike. Is it
> expensive? YES, but it will change how land is
> developed, and it will discourage further sprawl.
> We need to begin the dialogue on how we will
> reduce energy consumption, or convert over
> entirely to renewable energy sources.

I agree, I have been saying that for years now. Politicians are corrupt.I almost could not believe that Governor McDonnell was pushing the US route 460 plan that would cost $1.4 Billion for a projected 15000 cars per day. Clearly something shady was going on. At least McAuliffe is willing to invest in transit here in NoVA. But why are there so many corrupt politicians? I remember back when everyone saying that oh McDonnell is going to make such a great governor, and here we are today with federal corruption charges.

People who say that the Metro won't bring crime are delusional. The Blacks don't hang out at Pentagon City because it's too close to home, they liked Springfield and they like Tysons because it's farther from home. The Blacks basically come to NOVA because they know that the average person here is affraid of them and that's how they get their rocks off. I know this because they've been doing stuff like this forever, and if you ever ask them or hear why they like to come around here, that's what they say.

I read some of the snippets of the articles posted, and it looks like they cruise around here looking for easy marks; people leaving doors unlocked, leaving stuff in cars, etc. The solution is to stop being such a damn mark! They like to come here because they are attracted to the easy marks, it's too hard to steal where they are from because their is either nothing there to steal or someone will fight them if they try.

Why is it that Blacks always jump Whites when they commit hate crimes? Here's a secret, they do it because Blacks are scared shitless of Whites...

Get a damn backbone and Blacks will leave you alone...
Hey, that rhymed!

SmarTrip Wrote:
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> swing and a miss Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Damn Washington Post and their disinformation
> > campaigns! I should have known better.
>
> Yes, you should have. But dumb folks often fall
> for goober pig-slop. That's why so much of it is
> written. Go behind the pig-slop and you'll find
> that no million dollar bus stop has ever existed
> and none will. You CAN do stuff that's beyond
> pig-slop, can't you?

The Washington Post can't seem to. Are you saying I should not trust their reporting? Where, pray tell, should I go to then for true and respected information?

> > Don't tell this guy though:
>
> ??? It'll be our little secret then, okay Dorko?


Sure thing, I guess you are saying he is an idiot when it comes to recognizing respectable journalism?

DumbTrip Wrote:
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> Emails from law enforcement are speculation?

Certainly the ones in which they plainly state that they are speculating.

> Emails that mention what the suspects in custody
> told them are speculation?

No. But they are not plural, and your one example is more than nine solar eclipses old. It'll be ten in October. I'll send a card. And the fact that these particular thieves arrived in the area via Metro is no more significant than that so many others came and went by car, bus, bicycle, or skateboard. There is nothing but plain stupidity on your part to suggest that these events from 2010 should be taken to foreshadow waves of Tysons area crime once the Silver Line opens. This is mere racist crapola through and through.

> Just when I think you can't get any more idiotic,
> you go and post this? Thanks for the laugh,
> Joey. Keep posting. I have no hesitation about
> embarrassing you more, old timer. Just make sure
> the Mrs. changes the Depends before you post next
> time.

More with the junior high school nonsense. Desperate measures reflective of the fact that you know full well that you've done nothing here but make a damned fool of yourself.

oh gawd Wrote:
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> Metro should have another wave of investment that
> creates more core capacity so that we can we can
> expand further into the suburbs. Orange Line to
> Centreville, Blue Line to Lorton/Woodbridge,
> Yellow Line down route 1; perhaps even create
> another rail line down Columbia pike. Is it
> expensive? YES, but it will change how land is
> developed, and it will discourage further sprawl.
> We need to begin the dialogue on how we will
> reduce energy consumption, or convert over
> entirely to renewable energy sources.

All this and more has been under consideration for years, but it has to be prioritized, planned, studied, and financed. And as for that expense, it will be cheaper to do such things today than at any point in the future. Waiting simply raises the price tag. This of course doesn't matter to those who don't want to spend anything ever.

SmarTrip... Wrote:
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> DumbTrip Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Emails from law enforcement are speculation?
>
> Certainly the ones in which they plainly state
> that they are speculating.

No speculation, suspect confession.

> > Emails that mention what the suspects in
> custody
> > told them are speculation?
>
> No. But they are not plural, and your one example
> is more than nine solar eclipses old. It'll be
> ten in October. I'll send a card.

Send me a water slide too while you're at it. There may be others than the one. Please don't stare at the next eclipse, it appears to be giving you brain damage.

> And the fact
> that these particular thieves arrived in the area
> via Metro is no more significant than that so many
> others came and went by car, bus, bicycle, or
> skateboard.

Unless you were some sort of dummkopf who claimed thieves don't travel via Metro to commit crimes in the neighborhoods surrounding metro stations. I know your thick assed head has yet to grasp this fact.

>There is nothing but plain stupidity
> on your part to suggest that these events from
> 2010 should be taken to foreshadow waves of Tysons
> area crime once the Silver Line opens. This is
> mere racist crapola through and through.

Again, how is it racist? Please point to one post of mine where I indicated what race the criminals were. Just one. Go ahead, Joe.

> > Just when I think you can't get any more
> idiotic,
> > you go and post this? Thanks for the laugh,
> > Joey. Keep posting. I have no hesitation
> about
> > embarrassing you more, old timer. Just make
> sure
> > the Mrs. changes the Depends before you post
> next
> > time.
>
> More with the junior high school nonsense.
> Desperate measures reflective of the fact that you
> know full well that you've done nothing here but
> make a damned fool of yourself.

The only fool here is you, Joe. Go make some bouillabaisse.

not the Post? then where? Wrote:
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> The Washington Post can't seem to.

The Post publishes dozens of articles every day, some of which quote or allude to persons and groups who are pushing pig-slop. The more relevant question though is whether YOU can handle anything more than pig-slop, and it doesn't so far seem that you can.

> Are you saying I should not trust their reporting?

Obviously.

> Where, pray tell, should I go to then for true and
> respected information?

Your business model sucks. It's reflective of an Al Bundy-like high school football mentality. There is no single source you can turn to. Expecting that there would be is pretty much a bad sign for you, though.

> Sure thing, I guess you are saying he is an idiot when
> it comes to recognizing respectable journalism?

And I'm guessing that would be yet another very poor guess on your part.

SmarTrip... Wrote:
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> not the Post? then where? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Washington Post can't seem to.
>
> The Post publishes dozens of articles every day,
> some of which quote or allude to persons and
> groups who are pushing pig-slop. The more
> relevant question though is whether YOU can handle
> anything more than pig-slop, and it doesn't so far
> seem that you can.
>
> > Are you saying I should not trust their
> reporting?
>
> Obviously.
>
> > Where, pray tell, should I go to then for true
> and
> > respected information?
>
> Your business model sucks. It's reflective of an
> Al Bundy-like high school football mentality.
> There is no single source you can turn to.
> Expecting that there would be is pretty much a bad
> sign for you, though.
>
> > Sure thing, I guess you are saying he is an
> idiot when
> > it comes to recognizing respectable journalism?
>
> And I'm guessing that would be yet another very
> poor guess on your part.

Well, oh wise one, show me an article that supports your claim that it didn't cost $1M. Turn on the lights for me and show me the error of my ways.

DumbTrip Wrote:
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> No speculation, suspect confession.

You didn't read your own "evidence", did you.

> Send me a water slide too while you're at it.

Another postcard from around the bend.

> There may be others than the one. Please don't
> stare at the next eclipse, it appears to be giving
> you brain damage.

There may be men on Mars as well, but it's just the one correlative reference that you've found so far. And it's not from this decade.

> Unless you were some sort of dummkopf who claimed
> thieves don't travel via Metro to commit crimes in
> the neighborhoods surrounding metro stations.

I don't know anyone like that. Lawbreakers need to move around as much as the next guy. They are apt to use many sorts and modes of transportation, just like everybody else. The problem here is the racist losers pushing the meme that opening the Silver Line will loose waves and torrents of crime on the Tysons area. After all, the police are upgrading their patrol procedures, so it must be true. Bozos who make and defend claims like that are the problem here

> Again, how is it racist? Please point to one post
> of mine where I indicated what race the criminals
> were. Just one. Go ahead, Joe.

You seem to have had a difficult life, so I'm sorry for whatever this Joe person did to you. But you are pushing a blatantly racist meme that has been pushed perhaps by you and certainly by many racist morons in dozens of FFXU threads. You have not posted a disavowal or disclaimer. Pleading ignorance now would certainly be accurate in your case, but it is not any valid excusification.

> The only fool here is you, Joe. Go make some
> bouillabaisse.

Gee, that makes so much sense. You seem to be coming apart at the seams. Sort of like a piñata that's been repeatedly beaten with a stick.

Looks like the trolls have taken over this thread too.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Looks like the trolls have taken over this thread
> too.


Fuck off goober fucktard, you're just a worthless asshole. My lawn is being meticulously groomed as I type.

Insult insult, insult. Irrelevant comment.

Than you for proving my point.

help me out then Wrote:
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> Well, oh wise one, show me an article that
> supports your claim that it didn't cost $1M. Turn
> on the lights for me and show me the error of my
> ways.

As an initial upgrade, let me confirm for you that the burden of proof -- and also that of having had some initial idea of what you are talking about -- actually lies with you. Meanwhile if you did some tracing and digging into the details, you would find that the million-dollar claim comes from crooked anti-streetcar partisans who have taken all costs -- both fixed and variable -- through completion of the prototype as if they had been associated with the prototype. This of course is stupid, and no rational or impartial person doing a cost analysis would have done that. Propagandists however don't care about stupid, what with their target audience being fairly drenched in such stuff already. Meanwhile, the various failures and shortcomings of the prototype (especially its lack of scalabilty) led to revised modular design specifications and a $12.6 million contract to produce the next 23 stations. Each of those will cost roughly what a multi-armed traffic signal system would.

So that's the end of the line as far as me carrying you along goes. Incompetent as you may be at it, you'll have to transfer here to some self-propelled mode of further learning.

SmarTrip... Wrote:
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> Bill.N. Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > Looks like the trolls have taken over this thread
> > too.
>
> Fuck off goober fucktard, you're just a worthless
> asshole. My lawn is being meticulously groomed as
> I type.

The desperation of the hopelessly dumb is so often ultimately reflected in their sinking to such gutter-level tactics as registering the handle of those who are simply CRUSHING them on the facts, and then putting up inflammatory phony-posts under any variant of it. Calling these people "junior high schoolers" might be quite overly generous. BIG FAT LOSERS certainly covers a good part of it, though.

SmarTrip... Wrote:
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> help me out then Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well, oh wise one, show me an article that
> > supports your claim that it didn't cost $1M.
> Turn
> > on the lights for me and show me the error of
> my
> > ways.
>
> As an initial upgrade, let me confirm for you that
> the burden of proof -- and also that of having had
> some initial idea of what you are talking about --
> actually lies with you. Meanwhile if you did some
> tracing and digging into the details, you would
> find that the million-dollar claim comes from
> crooked anti-streetcar partisans who have taken
> all costs -- both fixed and variable -- through
> completion of the prototype as if they had been
> associated with the prototype. This of course is
> stupid, and no rational or impartial person doing
> a cost analysis would have done that.
> Propagandists however don't care about stupid,
> what with their target audience being fairly
> drenched in such stuff already. Meanwhile, the
> various failures and shortcomings of the prototype
> (especially its lack of scalabilty) led to revised
> modular design specifications and a $12.6 million
> contract to produce the next 23 stations. Each of
> those will cost roughly what a multi-armed traffic
> signal system would.
>
> So that's the end of the line as far as me
> carrying you along goes. Incompetent as you may
> be at it, you'll have to transfer here to some
> self-propelled mode of further learning.


Ummmm, no. The cost was +$1 million. Because it was the prototype doesn't change that it cost +$1 million. Because it included both necessary design work as well as actual build cost doesn't change that all costs need to be counted and they add up to +$1 million. It is real. It exists. Real money was spent to design and build it.

Then you want to reverse gears and use full end-to-end costs for a traffic light for comparison. lol As if even +$500K for these stops is some kind of bargain in any way other than in comparison with the +$1 million prototype. The stops being only one small part of the overall project btw. Put the full costs of the streetcar project on the same basis and see how that comes out per stop.

SmarTrip... Wrote:
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> help me out then Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well, oh wise one, show me an article that
> > supports your claim that it didn't cost $1M.
> Turn
> > on the lights for me and show me the error of
> my
> > ways.
>
> As an initial upgrade, let me confirm for you that
> the burden of proof -- and also that of having had
> some initial idea of what you are talking about --
> actually lies with you. Meanwhile if you did some
> tracing and digging into the details, you would
> find that the million-dollar claim comes from
> crooked anti-streetcar partisans who have taken
> all costs -- both fixed and variable -- through
> completion of the prototype as if they had been
> associated with the prototype. This of course is
> stupid, and no rational or impartial person doing
> a cost analysis would have done that.
> Propagandists however don't care about stupid,
> what with their target audience being fairly
> drenched in such stuff already. Meanwhile, the
> various failures and shortcomings of the prototype
> (especially its lack of scalabilty) led to revised
> modular design specifications and a $12.6 million
> contract to produce the next 23 stations. Each of
> those will cost roughly what a multi-armed traffic
> signal system would.
>
> So that's the end of the line as far as me
> carrying you along goes. Incompetent as you may
> be at it, you'll have to transfer here to some
> self-propelled mode of further learning.


So one side can provide numerous sources from the local and national media and you can provide, well, nothing to support your assertion. Color me skeptical.

So, have any sources (besides those from a know it all know nothing on the internet)?

Actual SmarTrip... Wrote:
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> SmarTrip... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bill.N. Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > Looks like the trolls have taken over this
> thread
> > > too.
> >
> > Fuck off goober fucktard, you're just a
> worthless
> > asshole. My lawn is being meticulously groomed
> as
> > I type.
>
> The desperation of the hopelessly dumb is so often
> ultimately reflected in their sinking to such
> gutter-level tactics as registering the handle of
> those who are simply CRUSHING them on the facts,
> and then putting up inflammatory phony-posts under
> any variant of it. Calling these people "junior
> high schoolers" might be quite overly generous.
> BIG FAT LOSERS certainly covers a good part of it,
> though.


People who topped 300 lbs shouldn't be labeling anyone fat. Just a hint...

3UUCp Wrote:
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> Ummmm, no. The cost was +$1 million. Because it
> was the prototype doesn't change that it cost +$1
> million. Because it included both necessary
> design work as well as actual build cost doesn't
> change that all costs need to be counted and they
> add up to +$1 million. It is real. It exists.
> Real money was spent to design and build it.

So you have no financial acumen at all, then. That's what the propagandists were counting on. How nice of you to fall so ignorantly into their laps. Whether a prototype or not, the first unit in any production series will look absurdly expensive if the analysis is done as this one was. The claimed million dollars is a FRAUD. Say it with me...FRAUD.

> Then you want to reverse gears and use full
> end-to-end costs for a traffic light for
> comparison. lol As if even +$500K for these stops
> is some kind of bargain in any way other than in
> comparison with the +$1 million prototype. The
> stops being only one small part of the overall
> project btw. Put the full costs of the streetcar
> project on the same basis and see how that comes
> out per stop.

Look up "yardstick". Morons throw around numbers with no clue at all as to how large or small they actually are. Obviously compared to the pauper's wages you make, the cost of almost everything will seem staggering. But the cost of each bus stop is on a par with what it takes to put up traffic lights at a single intersection. Maybe we should stop using traffic lights as well, eh? Think of the savings for taxpayers!

not convinced Wrote:
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> So one side can provide numerous sources from the
> local and national media and you can provide,
> well, nothing to support your assertion. Color me
> skeptical.

So go dig it all out for yourself. You won't be the first to have covered that ground. Until then, I'll just keep coloring you as stupid as the rest of the goobers.

And some still try logic and math with it. Too funny.

Actual; SmarTrip... Wrote:
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> not convinced Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So one side can provide numerous sources from
> the
> > local and national media and you can provide,
> > well, nothing to support your assertion. Color
> me
> > skeptical.
>
> So go dig it all out for yourself. You won't be
> the first to have covered that ground. Until
> then, I'll just keep coloring you as stupid as the
> rest of the goobers.

Burden isn't on me. When you can't prove your claim you cling to insulting others. Others have provided sources for their assertions. You haven't. Until you do, you are all alone on your island of idiocy.

A bitch with your ego would love nothing more to come in here and show a source supporting your claim just to stuff it down our throats. Yet, for some reason, you can't. Wonder why that is....

You have turned into a petulant little bitch. Best to stick to restaurant reviews.

pots and kettles Wrote:
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> People who topped 300 lbs shouldn't be labeling
> anyone fat. Just a hint...

Is this another nonsensical reference to Joe? Bouillabaise?

still not convinced Wrote:
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> Burden isn't on me.

Your claim, your burden. Dude. All you've established here is that you can swallow the swill and spit it back up. You haven't looked at or understood any of it. That leaves you swimming among the stupid.

> When you can't prove your claim you cling to insulting others.

Statements of fact. You are stupid.

> Others have provided sources for their assertions.
> You haven't. Until you do, you are all alone on your
> island of idiocy.

So-called sources are all to the same partisan goober nonsense. The million dollar claim is phony propaganda that persons of any financial sense at all would scoff at. Lots of ignorant pinheads fall far short of that level however.

> A bitch with your ego would love nothing more to
> come in here and show a source supporting your
> claim just to stuff it down our throats. Yet, for
> some reason, you can't. Wonder why that is....

Explanations of how badly and easily you goobers have been defrauded should suffice. But like nearly all useless morons, you have no intellectual curiosity to be piqued at all. You sit and swallow and regurgitate and think you are such clever fellows. Ignorant fatheads would be more like it.

> You have turned into a petulant little bitch.
> Best to stick to restaurant reviews.

LOL! That's the butthurt talking once again. But for whatever you imagine it might be worth, I did get carry-out from Sweetwater Tavern earlier. Quite good. Tell them SmarTrip sent you.

Actual SmarTrip Wrote:
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> still not convinced Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Burden isn't on me.
>
> Your claim, your burden. Dude. All you've
> established here is that you can swallow the swill
> and spit it back up. You haven't looked at or
> understood any of it. That leaves you swimming
> among the stupid.

It is widely accepted and sourced that is cost $1M+. You are the only idiot contending otherwise. An idiot without proof or sources. Stick with your stubborn stupidity. I'm sure you are used to it by now.

> > When you can't prove your claim you cling to
> insulting others.
>
> Statements of fact. You are stupid.

Says the dimwit who can't back up his claims. You're not only an idiot, you are a pussy.

> > Others have provided sources for their
> assertions.
> > You haven't. Until you do, you are all alone on
> your
> > island of idiocy.
>
> So-called sources are all to the same partisan
> goober nonsense. The million dollar claim is
> phony propaganda that persons of any financial
> sense at all would scoff at. Lots of ignorant
> pinheads fall far short of that level however.

Which source is partisan? CBS? Washington Post?

> > A bitch with your ego would love nothing more
> to
> > come in here and show a source supporting your
> > claim just to stuff it down our throats. Yet,
> for
> > some reason, you can't. Wonder why that is....
>
> Explanations of how badly and easily you goobers
> have been defrauded should suffice. But like
> nearly all useless morons, you have no
> intellectual curiosity to be piqued at all. You
> sit and swallow and regurgitate and think you are
> such clever fellows. Ignorant fatheads would be
> more like it.

One link is all it takes to prove your claim. Yet you keep rambling on with nonsense. Par for the course for you.

> > You have turned into a petulant little bitch.
> > Best to stick to restaurant reviews.
>
> LOL! That's the butthurt talking once again. But
> for whatever you imagine it might be worth, I did
> get carry-out from Sweetwater Tavern earlier.
> Quite good. Tell them SmarTrip sent you.

LOL. Figures you'd eat at a restaurant on the downswing. Way to catch up to the 90s!

Time to put your cards on the table. Put up or shut up, fool.

Smartrip - 0

Rest of the posters in thread - 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

#libtards

you fail to prove a damn thing Wrote:
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> It is widely accepted and sourced that is cost $1M+.

Widely accepted by the talentless and incurious swallowers. Tell us again about the WMD in Iraq.

> Which source is partisan? CBS? Washington Post?

The people who came up with the claim. Same folks who insisted that the fundamentals of the economy were strong. Some of you folks are REALLY slow learners, eh?

> One link is all it takes to prove your claim. Yet
> you keep rambling on with nonsense. Par for the
> course for you.

Yup. I'm not going to do your homework for you. Can't lift a finger? Fine. Sit and stew in the stupid. When have you ever done anything else?

> LOL. Figures you'd eat at a restaurant on the
> downswing. Way to catch up to the 90s!

Did you know that GAR is expanding to Gaithersburg in the Fall? Pretty big jump for a Virginia-based group on the downswing. LOL! Just another example of your worse than goober-level ignorance and dumbfuck incompetence!

> Time to put your cards on the table. Put up or
> shut up, fool.

Ace of trumps: You're a worthless ignorant asshole.

Actual SmarTrip... Wrote:
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> 3UUCp Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ummmm, no. The cost was +$1 million. Because
> it
> > was the prototype doesn't change that it cost
> +$1
> > million. Because it included both necessary
> > design work as well as actual build cost
> doesn't
> > change that all costs need to be counted and
> they
> > add up to +$1 million. It is real. It exists.
>
> > Real money was spent to design and build it.
>
> So you have no financial acumen at all, then.
> That's what the propagandists were counting on.
> How nice of you to fall so ignorantly into their
> laps. Whether a prototype or not, the first unit
> in any production series will look absurdly
> expensive if the analysis is done as this one was.
> The claimed million dollars is a FRAUD. Say it
> with me...FRAUD.


Financial acumen? lmao I can add. Per the county, $574,000 in construction costs + $433,000 in design and other ancillary costs + additional costs for initial fixes to the finished stop = +$1 million. Whether they build 23 or 0 others, the cost for the existing stop is +$1 million. Whatever benefits of the R&D and design work done, the remaining stations will be +$500K each for the stops only. Not even considering the several hundred million dollars for the project beyond that.


>
> > Then you want to reverse gears and use full
> > end-to-end costs for a traffic light for
> > comparison. lol As if even +$500K for these
> stops
> > is some kind of bargain in any way other than
> in
> > comparison with the +$1 million prototype. The
> > stops being only one small part of the overall
> > project btw. Put the full costs of the
> streetcar
> > project on the same basis and see how that
> comes
> > out per stop.
>
> Look up "yardstick". Morons throw around numbers
> with no clue at all as to how large or small they
> actually are. Obviously compared to the pauper's
> wages you make, the cost of almost everything will
> seem staggering. But the cost of each bus stop is
> on a par with what it takes to put up traffic
> lights at a single intersection. Maybe we should
> stop using traffic lights as well, eh? Think of
> the savings for taxpayers!


Look up "bullshit." It's an inappropriate and non-comparable "yardstick" where you attempted to count only limited costs for the stops yet want to count full costs including planning, engineering, and everything else related to a traffic light.

Actual SmarTrip... Wrote:
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> you fail to prove a damn thing Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It is widely accepted and sourced that is cost
> $1M+.
>
> Widely accepted by the talentless and incurious
> swallowers. Tell us again about the WMD in Iraq.

Widely accepted by EVERYONE but you. I have a feeling this happens to you quite a bit. Being the stupidest person in the room rarely has its advantages and each of your posts more than proves that.

WMDs? Get with the times, ya old fossil. Plus, once again you are being irrelevant.

> > Which source is partisan? CBS? Washington
> Post?
>
> The people who came up with the claim. Same folks
> who insisted that the fundamentals of the economy
> were strong. Some of you folks are REALLY slow
> learners, eh?

The claim that is widely accepted by EVERYONE but you?

Fundamentals of the economy are strong? Did you just step out if the mid2000s time machine or are you only able to process information this quickly? Don't worry, maybe you'll catch up when you hear about the million dollar bus stop. LoLz

> > One link is all it takes to prove your claim.
> Yet
> > you keep rambling on with nonsense. Par for
> the
> > course for you.
>
> Yup. I'm not going to do your homework for you.

Oh, I see, you can't find a single shred of evidence to support your stupid contentions. That'll happen when you constantly spew diarrhea from your mouth. You should be used to it now. It is probably only here that you get people to call you on it. The rest of the people in your life are more than happy to ignore you and just let you blabber along incessantly.

You know I'm right.

> > LOL. Figures you'd eat at a restaurant on the
> > downswing. Way to catch up to the 90s!
>
> Did you know that GAR is expanding to Gaithersburg
> in the Fall? Pretty big jump for a Virginia-based
> group on the downswing. LOL! Just another
> example of your worse than goober-level ignorance
> and dumbfuck incompetence!

Which GAR? Sweetwater has trended down for that family. Besides, it is Gaithersburg, not Bethesda.

> > Time to put your cards on the table. Put up or
> > shut up, fool.
>
> Ace of trumps: You're a worthless ignorant
> asshole.

Nah, as usual, you ain't got shit.

I'm so embarrassed with this forum. How dare all of you! The devil is really out in Fairfax County. I keep telling my pastor about the fakers who post on the internet; not only this site but all forums. Most of the time just to get a laugh. You know there are some good Christians who use this site to get good information. I am disappointed; I pray that the good lord above will bless you all. If you repent you will be saved by the good lord.

im not a Christian, so don't bother praying for me
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> Financial acumen? lmao I can add.

That wouldn't be enough, even if it were true.

> Per the county, $574,000 in construction costs + $433,000
> in design and other ancillary costs + additional
> costs for initial fixes to the finished stop = +$1
> million.

That's total expenditure data through the completion of the prototype on what was a $20.8 million contract for 24 stations. That is NOT in any way shape or form the level of expenditures actually attributable to the prototype. The claims released to the press by project opponents are a FRAUD created by people who are paid to produce FRAUD.

> Whether they build 23 or 0 others, the cost for the
> existing stop is +$1 million. Whatever benefits of the
> R&D and design work done, the remaining stations will be
> +$500K each for the stops only.

Better try that again. The 2014 contract includes a standard-sized station unit at $362K and a super-sized unit (comparable to the Walter Reed stop) at $469K. The scalability of the modular units make a variety of configurations possible at reasonable cost.

> Not even considering the several hundred million dollars for the project beyond
> that.

Not even considering the cost of Medicare either.

> Look up "bullshit." It's an inappropriate and
> non-comparable "yardstick" where you attempted to
> count only limited costs for the stops yet want to
> count full costs including planning, engineering,
> and everything else related to a traffic light.

Time to raise the white flag, dude. The traffic light standard was introduced only to provide some perspective. Goobers are so bad with just plain numbers, you know. Anyway, anything beyond dangling a single traffic light in the middle of an intersection is going to end up costing $400-500K to put in. Places like Gallows and Route-50 (where Sweetwater is) are obviously going to be quite a bit more.

Actual SmarTrip.... Wrote:
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>
> That's total expenditure data through the
> completion of the prototype on what was a $20.8
> million contract for 24 stations. That is NOT in
> any way shape or form the level of expenditures
> actually attributable to the prototype. The
> claims released to the press by project opponents
> are a FRAUD created by people who are paid to
> produce FRAUD.


No, they are the numbers provided directly by Dennis Leach, Director of Transportation, for the cost of the prototype stop. The design work done is applicable to the design of the other stops but the cost of the remaining stops is in addition to.

>
> Better try that again. The 2014 contract includes
> a standard-sized station unit at $362K and a
> super-sized unit (comparable to the Walter Reed
> stop) at $469K. The scalability of the modular
> units make a variety of configurations possible at
> reasonable cost.


The current cost estimate for the cost for that part of the project (stops) and the 23 remaining stations is $12.4 million/23 = $539K all-in cost on average/stop.

>
> Not even considering the cost of Medicare either.


Or the drugs that you're obviously taking. Or need to take.

>
> Time to raise the white flag, dude. The traffic
> light standard was introduced only to provide some
> perspective. Goobers are so bad with just plain
> numbers, you know. Anyway, anything beyond
> dangling a single traffic light in the middle of
> an intersection is going to end up costing
> $400-500K to put in. Places like Gallows and
> Route-50 (where Sweetwater is) are obviously going
> to be quite a bit more.


The light itself does not cost $400-$500K. It's an intentionally disingenuously high number. That is the cost for a larger traffic project involving installing a traffic light. Just as the stops are part of a larger project/cost and pointless to consider independent of. Now if you want to figure the cost for each stop on that same basis then you might have a reasonable comparison. But you won't much like the relative numbers.

full of fail after all this time Wrote:
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[Kicking your sorry ass since way back on July 23]

> Widely accepted by EVERYONE but you.

Not hardly, goober. You and the other misfits and mindless shelter-seekers at FFXU make up the bottom of the barrel. Can't keep up and don't want to. Idiots.

> WMDs? Get with the times, ya old fossil. Plus,
> once again you are being irrelevant.

You think of 2002 as being "the old days"? Before your time, was it? LOL! And of course the relevance is that at the time significant numbers of people just like you simply stood there and swallowed all the slop and bullshit that the Bushies could pump out. Bunch of worthless dorkbrains, and at it again in this thread.

> Fundamentals of the economy are strong? Did you
> just step out if the mid2000s time machine or are
> you only able to process information this quickly?

That was 2008, dumbo. That should be as fresh in your mind as this morning's breakfast. How are you going to learn from history if you can't remember any of it?

> Which GAR?

There is only one GAR, idiot.

> Sweetwater has trended down for that family.

Which Sweetwater? There are three of them, as you appear not to know. GAR is also the work of three unrelated founders, as you also appear not to know.

Besides, it is Gaithersburg, not Bethesda.

Yeah, that's why I said Gaithersburg. Dumbfuck.

> Nah, as usual, you ain't got shit.

Well, whatever the case, I'm sure pissing all over you, you stupid beaten fucktard!

Ee3mF Wrote:
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> No, they are the numbers provided directly by
> Dennis Leach, Director of Transportation, for the
> cost of the prototype stop. The design work done
> is applicable to the design of the other stops but
> the cost of the remaining stops is in addition
> to.

No, those are the total project amounts expended through the completion of the prototype. Then the FRAUD starts, attributing 100% of those costs to the single prototype.

> The current cost estimate for the cost for that
> part of the project (stops) and the 23 remaining
> stations is $12.4 million/23 = $539K all-in cost
> on average/stop.

No, the current contract was written for $12.4 million. That reflects a 30% contingency reserve added to station construction costs. The actual contract base is $10.6 million, and the final is apt to be between the two. Meanwhile, four of the stations are double-stops: two separate structures at the same location. The quasi-correct number to divide by is therefore the 27 physical structures, not the 23 geographical stops.

> The light itself does not cost $400-$500K. It's
> an intentionally disingenuously high number. That
> is the cost for a larger traffic project involving
> installing a traffic light.

So you're saying that I confused installing a traffic light with installing a traffic light? Thanks for that valuable bit of input. Meanwhile, if you want to add a modest traffic light to an intersection that doesn't have one, it will cost you $400-500K.

> Just as the stops are part of a larger project/cost
> and pointless to consider independent of. Now if you
> want to figure the cost for each stop on that same
> basis then you might have a reasonable comparison.
> But you won't much like the relative numbers.

Dude, you're swimming upstream after some heavy rains. The cost of a bus stop will be quite comparable to the cost of installing a moderately complex traffic light, no matter how you slice it.

Did I forget to mention you're a total goober fucktard! I am over 50 and am well off, I bet you know no one else like me. Fucktard.

and spittle flying. Even after a complete and utter beatdown.

Math > you, jewh8ter, or "gooberacistasshole"...

Actual SmarTrip.... Wrote:
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>
> No, those are the total project amounts expended
> through the completion of the prototype. Then the
> FRAUD starts, attributing 100% of those costs to
> the single prototype.


No, they are not. The are attributable primarily to the construction of the prototype. You're forgetting how we got here.

The prototype was done under the original $1.7 million contract with WMATA for construction of three stops. Initial design was done within some portion of $396K in funds dedicated to various Columbia Pike projects under a separate contract to HOK + another $85K sole-source extension for the design and engineering services for the three-stop project. After taking forever to finish and becoming a target of ridicule over the cost and overruns for the prototype, Donnellan halted that project and pulled it back from WMATA. That effectively ended the three-stop project which ended up as a one-stop prototype project and is the basis for the $574,000 in hard construction costs + $433,000 in other associated costs. The vast majority of the latter being project and construction management costs, environmental and siting related to that specific structure and site. It may not be 100% but it's damn close.

That's what yielded the earlier $20.9 million estimate which assumed about a 10% reduction in cost on average for each of the 23 future stops (approx $900K/stop). Which then in turn resulted in a shit storm of push-back and prompted the additional independent reviews, redesign work, other planning, etc., to get to the redesigned lower-cost plan. In addition to fixes to the original structure. All of which was done at additional cost over and above the initial +$1 million already spent.


> No, the current contract was written for $12.4
> million. That reflects a 30% contingency reserve
> added to station construction costs. The actual
> contract base is $10.6 million, and the final is
> apt to be between the two. Meanwhile, four of the
> stations are double-stops: two separate
> structures at the same location. The
> quasi-correct number to divide by is therefore the
> 27 physical structures, not the 23 geographical
> stops.
>


Given past experience for this project, they'll likely need every penny of that contingency.

There are 23 stops. Putting a double structure on a site doesn't change the number of stops. The county doesn't even try to play that kind of stupid game.

>
> So you're saying that I confused installing a
> traffic light with installing a traffic light?
> Thanks for that valuable bit of input. Meanwhile,
> if you want to add a modest traffic light to an
> intersection that doesn't have one, it will cost
> you $400-500K.
>
>
> Dude, you're swimming upstream after some heavy
> rains. The cost of a bus stop will be quite
> comparable to the cost of installing a moderately
> complex traffic light, no matter how you slice it.


No, I'm not arguing the potential cost for a traffic signal. I'm saying that you are disingenuously presenting a traffic signal as something seemingly simple but more expensive than it may seem as a way to justify a comparable cost for the stops. In fact installing a traffic signal is, at least in any moderately complex case, a far more significant project than a glorified bus stop. The $500K-ish type numbers reflect the whole of significant planning and engineering work, construction, equipment, controllers, communications, other infrastructure, etc., which most don't associate with a simple traffic light. They are non-comparable in terms of typical complexity or necessary cost.

will try to deflect by calling posters "asshole" , "goober", or "racist", or by willfully lying about the presented information in 3... 2... 1...

So we can only guess you went to a BMW Dealership and snapped a photo right....we know you can't afford an M series!

See, even the niggers from PG and the District are scoping out all the new potential crime in Tysons. Go to the 4 minute mark.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/video/#!/news/local/Metros-New-Silver-LIne-Opens-To-Big-Crowds/268744371

Our company moved out of Tyson’s last year and it wasn’t a moment too soon. There is now a feeling that parking in Tyson’s will be a shit show. Office buildings with parking garages will need to become much more careful about limiting access or they will be faced with squatters snagging free spaces.

Actual SmarTrip.... Wrote:
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> full of fail after all this time Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> [Kicking your sorry ass since way back on July
> 23]
>
> > Widely accepted by EVERYONE but you.
>
> Not hardly, goober. You and the other misfits and
> mindless shelter-seekers at FFXU make up the
> bottom of the barrel. Can't keep up and don't
> want to. Idiots.

Yup. Even the county admitted the folly of its ways and issued statements and commissioned a report. Too bad you aren't informed enough to have seen this.

> > WMDs? Get with the times, ya old fossil.
> Plus,
> > once again you are being irrelevant.
>
> You think of 2002 as being "the old days"? Before
> your time, was it? LOL! And of course the
> relevance is that at the time significant numbers
> of people just like you simply stood there and
> swallowed all the slop and bullshit that the
> Bushies could pump out. Bunch of worthless
> dorkbrains, and at it again in this thread.

I think you have Bush on the brain syndrome. It is actually pretty obvious. Bush is completely irrelevant to this topic (as are you).

> > Fundamentals of the economy are strong? Did
> you
> > just step out if the mid2000s time machine or
> are
> > you only able to process information this
> quickly?
>
> That was 2008, dumbo. That should be as fresh in
> your mind as this morning's breakfast. How are
> you going to learn from history if you can't
> remember any of it?

Remembering it still doesn't make it relevant.

> > Which GAR?
>
> There is only one GAR, idiot.

GAR stands for Great American Restaurants. Notice the "s" there on the end of the word Restaurants? (I bolded it for you). Well, they run a bunch of different Restaurants. Some are called Sweetwater, a couple of Coastal Flats, a Mike's, a Silverado, a Carlyle. Well, you get the idea. Any dipshit with half a brain would have understood the question. I guess that explains why you didn't.

> > Sweetwater has trended down for that family.
>
> Which Sweetwater? There are three of them, as you
> appear not to know. GAR is also the work of three
> unrelated founders, as you also appear not to
> know.

I have only been to the Merrifield one recently. The first time I went, the food was not as ordered. I chalked it up to one bad time. The second time, I had to send the food back as it was actually served below room temperature. After discussing it with neighbors and friends, all agreed Sweetwater is the weak link in that chain and has been doing so for a few years.

> Besides, it is Gaithersburg, not Bethesda.
>
> Yeah, that's why I said Gaithersburg. Dumbfuck.

Which indicates you know nothing of the area.

> > Nah, as usual, you ain't got shit.
>
> Well, whatever the case, I'm sure pissing all over
> you, you stupid beaten fucktard!

Save your golden showers for your boyfriend.

DumbTrip Wrote:
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Party's over, dumbfuck. Sorry you had such a bad time...

-- The dishonest $1 million number is everything that had been spent under the terminated contract to the point of completion of the prototype. The WMATA contractor by the way was KPG, not HOK. So hard to keep all those letters straight.

-- The ease and frequency with which you have been recently punked by duplicitous right-wing rubes is entirely relevant to your belief in fairy tales generally.

-- No matter how many restaurants they run or how many S's are in the name, there is still only one GAR. Moron.

-- Sweetwater has ranked with the likes of Chez Francois in local popularity polls. Here is a recent Zagat summary...

"Always crowded", this "cowboy-themed" Southwestern microbrewery chain in NoVa "never disappoints" – whether for "splendid" eats like the "beyond-delicious" rolls and "to-die-for" drunken rib-eye or the "awesome" fresh-brewed beer and root beer; the only bitter notes are sounded by some who cite "ear-shattering" noise and the no-reservations policy ("call ahead . . . way ahead"), though "prompt" service and "reasonable" prices more than make up for it.

-- I don't think you dine out often at all. If you receive a bad meal or service anywhere, you should ask to speak with the manager. At Merrifield, not only would your alleged issues have been resolved, but you would have been handed a "Be Our Guest" card for a discounted future dining experience. Seems like you bobbled that ball as well. At least you're consistent.

-- You are the only stooge who ever imagined Bethesda. The posts of all the intelligent people always referred to Gaithersburg. More just plain stupid out of your mouth. Pretty much all we ever got from you here.

-- I'm better than you guys, I make more money than you, I'm more important!

-- I have so many friends!

-- My estate in Vienna is now worth almost $4 million

-- According to mel-heers theory, illegal hispanics pay more in taxes

-- I have tons of friends!

Actual SmarTrip... Wrote:
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> DumbTrip Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> Party's over, dumbfuck. Sorry you had such a bad
> time...

The music is still playing and you are still stupid.

> -- The dishonest $1 million number is everything
> that had been spent under the terminated contract
> to the point of completion of the prototype.

Hence the $1M bus stop. You can type it, you just can't understand it. Plus, you can't even support your assertion.

> The WMATA contractor by the way was KPG, not HOK. So
> hard to keep all those letters straight.

Not really relevant and not brought up. But then again, you are full of irrelevant.

> -- The ease and frequency with which you have been
> recently punked by duplicitous right-wing rubes is
> entirely relevant to your belief in fairy tales
> generally.

No, only in your fantasy land. But then again, your fantasy land is full of golden showers.

> -- No matter how many restaurants they run or how
> many S's are in the name, there is still only one
> GAR. Moron.

Each restaurant is a different Great American Restaurant. It doesn't take a simpleton to realize this, which is why you can't seem to grasp it. When one claims GAR is placing a restaurant in Gaithersburg, asking which one is patently obvious to a normal person with the thinking ability of a second grader. Once again, you fail.

> -- Sweetwater has ranked with the likes of Chez
> Francois in local popularity polls.

Which is probably what you tell yourself when you step into Sweetwater. Maybe one day you'll step into Chez Francois and actually experience the difference. Until then, settle for Sweetwater.

> Here is a recent Zagat summary...

> "Always crowded", this "cowboy-themed"

Great, they have some nice pictures on the wall and a few steer horns. Something tells me you dig this motif.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Gay_Rodeo_Association

You probably confuse GAR and GRA.

> Southwestern microbrewery chain in NoVa "never
> disappoints"

Well, it has in both quality of food and in service. Not going back.

> – whether for "splendid" eats like
> the "beyond-delicious" rolls and

They are donuts. Who doesn't like donuts? I bet you like 'em, eh fatty?

> "to-die-for"
> drunken rib-eye or the

Last time I had it, it was grisly and not prepared to order. That was about two years ago and did not order it on return trips.

> "awesome" fresh-brewed beer
> and root beer;

This is true.

> the only bitter notes are sounded
> by some who cite "ear-shattering" noise and the
> no-reservations policy ("call ahead . . . way
> ahead"), though "prompt" service and "reasonable"
> prices more than make up for it.

True.

> -- I don't think you dine out often at all. If
> you receive a bad meal or service anywhere, you
> should ask to speak with the manager. At
> Merrifield, not only would your alleged issues
> have been resolved, but you would have been handed
> a "Be Our Guest" card for a discounted future
> dining experience. Seems like you bobbled that
> ball as well. At least you're consistent.

Nope, got the $30 be our guest card. I gave it to my wife to use at lunch sometime as I will not be returning. The issue could not be resolved as the waiter did not return to check on my table until after the rest of my party had finished their meals. Sure, they offered to fix my meal, and then I can sit there and eat it while the rest of my party watched or I can take it home and eat it luke warm. At that point, after multiple bad trips to the place, I was done.


> -- You are the only stooge who ever imagined
> Bethesda. The posts of all the intelligent people
> always referred to Gaithersburg. More just plain
> stupid out of your mouth. Pretty much all we ever
> got from you here.

You obviously don't understand the difference between Bethesda and Gaithersburg. I bet you live in Reston or some other similarly situated exurban nightmare.

Actual SmarTrip... Wrote:
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> DumbTrip Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> Party's over, dumbfuck. Sorry you had such a bad
> time...
>
> -- The dishonest $1 million number is everything
> that had been spent under the terminated contract
> to the point of completion of the prototype.
>

Which yielded a single ~$1 million bus stop.

> The WMATA contractor by the way was KPG, not HOK. So
> hard to keep all those letters straight.

Hellmuth, Obata + Kassabaum, PC aka HOK did the design work. Which was separate from and in addition to the WMATA construction contract.

http://arlington.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=169&meta_id=29491

Much of which had to be re-done at added cost after the ~$1 million bus stop debacle.

so full of fail Wrote:
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> The music is still playing and you are still stupid.

Those voices in your head are not music.

> Hence the $1M bus stop.

So you realize at last that the liars have been lying -- the $1 million is in fact total contract expenses, not station-related costs at all! Your apology is accepted. Try not being such a douche about these things in the future.

> Not really relevant and not brought up.

Of course HOK was brought up. By you. Just as Bethesda was. And the general fly-by-night unreliability of your claims is quite relevant to a general sense of your complete lack of credibility.

> When one claims GAR is placing a restaurant
> in Gaithersburg...

What happened to Bethesda?

> ...asking which one is patently obvious to a
> normal person with the thinking ability of a
> second grader. Once again, you fail.

None of the brands is capable of opening a new restaurant. Only GAR can do that. There is only one GAR. As I've had to pound into your dense little head.

> Which is probably what you tell yourself when you
> step into Sweetwater. Maybe one day you'll step
> into Chez Francois and actually experience the
> difference. Until then, settle for Sweetwater.

You know, I used to be really fond of Chez Francois when it was down on Connecticut Avenue. Wonderful place to top off an evening of dance or theater. I was worried about the Metro-induced move out to Great Falls, but they pulled it off magnificently, at least until Papa Francois passed on. It's still a very nice place of course, perhaps especially a candle-lit patio dinner on an early autumn evening, but the place has come down in the world since the founder departed. I don't go as often as I used to. The more time to spend at Patrick O'Connell's country place instead. He's not getting any younger either.

> They are donuts. Who doesn't like donuts? I bet
> you like 'em, eh fatty?

Actually, I am not fond of Ozzie rolls, and of course, they are not doughnuts. A foodie is yet another thing that you definitely are not. Even so, at least the GAR outlets I've been to -- all of them except Centreville -- do a very nice job. Excellent food, reasonable prices, attentive service. Your comments are made-up nonsense.

> Nope, got the $30 be our guest card.

LOL! Goober never heard of a BOG card until I mentioned them.

> The issue could not be resolved as the waiter
> did not return to check on my table until after
> the rest of my party had finished their meals.

You've never actually been in a GAR restaurant, have you? All of them operate on a "team service" concept. ALL waiters are YOUR waiters and all of them are trained to keep an eye out for your every need. Water or drink refill needed? Used plate or straw wrapper sitting on the table? The next wait-person to come by will take care of that for you. The idea that you could be ignored at a GAR place is simply another of your absurd myths and fabrications -- just plain bullshit from start to finish. By the way, there is no gristle in a rib-eye. It's an anatomical thing.

> You obviously don't understand the difference
> between Bethesda and Gaithersburg.

The difference is about 14 miles worth of I-270. Look at a map, dumbass.

> I bet you live in Reston or some other similarly
> situated exurban nightmare.

Unremarkably, that's yet another wild swing and miss. And of course, anyone but a hopeless stooge would understand that Reston is not an exurb. Moron.

again, part #4,428

14 miles from Bethesda to GB? Really? Try around 4 or 5, dumbfuq. And yes, there can be gristle in a ribeye - at either end of the cut. You = pretend to know WTF fails again.

Waiter fails = "can't happen" @ GAR? Are you purposely that stupid or is it just an act?

And the WaPo still reports +1M total for one service point (stop). Do you have anything concrete to refute this?

You couldn't find La'b on a fucking map, you goober racist asshole.

hilarity ensues.

Why so faggot, bro? U mad?

Actual SmarTrip.... Wrote:
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> So you realize at last that the liars have been
> lying

Yes, I have realized for quite some time that you are nothing but a liar. You have made it obvious for months.

> -- the $1 million is in fact total contract
> expenses, not station-related costs at all!

One station built, $1M spent. A very simple concept that even a numbskull can grasp, yet you still can't get it.

> > Not really relevant and not brought up.
>
> Of course HOK was brought up. By you.

Nope. Try again, slappy.

> Just as
> Bethesda was.

Yup, and you are still too thick to figure out why. Almost like you relish playing the retard on the internet.

> And the general fly-by-night
> unreliability of your claims is quite relevant to
> a general sense of your complete lack of
> credibility.

LOL. Rich coming from a confirmed liar.

> > When one claims GAR is placing a restaurant
> > in Gaithersburg...
>
> What happened to Bethesda?

Last I checked, nothing. It is still there. The point in mentioning Bethesda is to point out that it offers a far different clientele than Gaithersburg and that if GAR offerings were improving, they'd move to capture the upscale clientele of the Bethesda instead of the folks in Gaithersburg. Somewhat sad I had to spell it out for you, but then again, you've more than proven the point that you very slow to grasp simple concepts.

> > ...asking which one is patently obvious to a
> > normal person with the thinking ability of a
> > second grader. Once again, you fail.
>
> None of the brands is capable of opening a new
> restaurant. Only GAR can do that. There is only
> one GAR. As I've had to pound into your dense
> little head.

And GAR will name that restaurant and each is different. I think I can pound and pound this over and over into your head and you still won't get it.

> > Which is probably what you tell yourself when
> you
> > step into Sweetwater. Maybe one day you'll
> step
> > into Chez Francois and actually experience the
> > difference. Until then, settle for Sweetwater.
>
> You know, I used to be really fond of Chez
> Francois when it was down on Connecticut Avenue.
> Wonderful place to top off an evening of dance or
> theater. I was worried about the Metro-induced
> move out to Great Falls, but they pulled it off
> magnificently, at least until Papa Francois passed
> on. It's still a very nice place of course,
> perhaps especially a candle-lit patio dinner on an
> early autumn evening, but the place has come down
> in the world since the founder departed. I don't
> go as often as I used to. The more time to spend
> at Patrick O'Connell's country place instead. He's
> not getting any younger either.

Blah, blah, blah, namedrop, sound important, blah, blah, blah.

> > They are donuts. Who doesn't like donuts? I
> bet
> > you like 'em, eh fatty?
>
> Actually, I am not fond of Ozzie rolls, and of
> course, they are not doughnuts. A foodie is yet
> another thing that you definitely are not. Even
> so, at least the GAR outlets I've been to -- all
> of them except Centreville -- do a very nice job.
> Excellent food, reasonable prices, attentive
> service. Your comments are made-up nonsense.

My comments are spot on, your palate is pedestrian, much like the rest of your existence.

> > Nope, got the $30 be our guest card.
>
> LOL! Goober never heard of a BOG card until I
> mentioned them.

Keep telling yourself that. How'd I know the exact amount they come in???? D'oh, dipshit keeps fucking up over and over. It doesn't get old for me seeing you fail over and over again. Does it get old for you?

> > The issue could not be resolved as the waiter
> > did not return to check on my table until after
>
> > the rest of my party had finished their meals.
>
>
> You've never actually been in a GAR restaurant,
> have you?

Haven't been to all of them, but I've been to Sweetwater (Merrifield), Coastal Flats, Silverado, Mike's and Carlyle.

> All of them operate on a "team service"
> concept.

And the team failed miserably on my last visit.

> ALL waiters are YOUR waiters and all of
> them are trained to keep an eye out for your every
> need.

In this case NONE of the waiters were MY waiters.

> Water or drink refill needed? Used plate or
> straw wrapper sitting on the table? The next
> wait-person to come by will take care of that for
> you. The idea that you could be ignored at a GAR
> place is simply another of your absurd myths and
> fabrications -- just plain bullshit from start to
> finish.

To think that mistakes can't be made in a restaurant is ridiculous. As I said, I can abide by it on occasion. However, three straight unsatisfying trips will pretty much take an establishment off my list for a while, if not permanently.

> By the way, there is no gristle in a
> rib-eye. It's an anatomical thing.

Wrong. Wrong on so many levels. While rib eye USUSALLY has very little to no gristle, its presence indicates an inferior cut of meat that is usually served by inferior restaurants - hence, my disappointment. If the rib eye is not trimmed from the bone properly, you will have gristle.

http://www.addictedtogrilling.com/grilling-tips/how-grill-steak/choosing-right-steak



> > You obviously don't understand the difference
> > between Bethesda and Gaithersburg.
>
> The difference is about 14 miles worth of I-270.
> Look at a map, dumbass.

Know anything about demographics or is that too difficult for you as well?

> > I bet you live in Reston or some other similarly
>
> > situated exurban nightmare.
>
> Unremarkably, that's yet another wild swing and
> miss. And of course, anyone but a hopeless stooge
> would understand that Reston is not an exurb.
> Moron.

Right. Living along a toll road miles from the beltway is an inner suburb. Dummy.

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> Which yielded a single ~$1 million bus stop.

Gee, the equally weak-minded doppelganger is stuck on the same stupid lie. There's a shock.

> Hellmuth, Obata + Kassabaum, PC aka HOK did the
> design work. Which was separate from and in
> addition to the WMATA construction contract.

Wrong contract, pinhead. WMATA's contract with HOK ran from 2003 to 2006. Then it expired. That means ended. Arlington signed a small follow-on contract with HOK in 2007. They were to serve as a short-term consultant to the County re the work they had previously delivered to WMATA. The station designs actually under discussion were debated and finalized in 2010 and 2011, then there were 18 months of construction leading up to completion of the prototype in early 2013.

> Much of which had to be re-done at added cost
> after the ~$1 million bus stop debacle.

Fiddle-faddle. Virtually everything tangible that was done under the original $20.8 million contract remained in place and usable under the revised $12.4 million contract -- you know, the one for the 27 station structures at 23 locations.

"virtually"?

You still can't refute the WaPo.

Racist goober asshole...

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Nothing but more pointless piles of whiny low-grade know-nothing goober shit. Same as it ever was. See your worthless ass being handed to you (again) below. Retard.
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> Nothing but more pointless piles of whiny
> low-grade know-nothing goober shit. Same as it
> ever was. See your worthless ass being handed to
> you (again) below. Retard.
> .

Not me, shit for brains. I never contested your correct assertion of 14 miles, which more than proves my point that a GAR is really only good enough for an outside the beltway crowd. Then again, I've handed you your ass on every topic.

You're going to have to accept the fact more than one person doesn't accept your bullshit alternate reality. Will your fragile ego allow you to do that?

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> > Which yielded a single ~$1 million bus stop.
>
> Gee, the equally weak-minded doppelganger is stuck
> on the same stupid lie. There's a shock.

Yes, you do seem stuck on stupid in trying to deny reality.

>
> > Hellmuth, Obata + Kassabaum, PC aka HOK did the
> > design work. Which was separate from and in
> > addition to the WMATA construction contract.
>
> Wrong contract, pinhead. WMATA's contract with
> HOK ran from 2003 to 2006. Then it expired. That
> means ended. Arlington signed a small follow-on
> contract with HOK in 2007. They were to serve as
> a short-term consultant to the County re the work
> they had previously de2livered to WMATA. The
> station designs actually under discussion were
> debated and finalized in 2010 and 2011, then there
> were 18 months of construction leading up to
> completion of the prototype in early 2013.
>

Right contract. As referenced in the link, HOK did the original design work, along with designs for improvements to the Clarendon and Crystal City Metro stops, under a separate contract with $396,340 in funding for a prototype design for use at 7 “Super Stops” along Columbia Pike.

http://arlingtonva.s3.amazonaws.com/cbo/2003/dec/1206/25.pdf

The later WMATA agreement was for the *construction* of 3 prototype stations based on that design.

The $85K sole-source award referenced was for services to be performed during *construction* phase of the 3-prototype project as justified based on its earlier design work.

That all ended up as the single +$1 million prototype.


> > Much of which had to be re-done at added cost
> > after the ~$1 million bus stop debacle.
>
> Fiddle-faddle. Virtually everything tangible that
> was done under the original $20.8 million contract
> remained in place and usable under the revised
> $12.4 million contract -- you know, the one for
> the 27 station structures at 23 locations.

There were no $20.8 or $12.4 million contracts. There were proposals and later revisions to designs based on experience with the completed +$1 million prototype. Funding for the larger project and other Columbia Pike improvements wasn't even approved until last week.

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> > Tuesday Fails, for the Fail King Wrote:
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>
> > -----
> > Nothing but more pointless piles of whiny
> > low-grade know-nothing goober shit. Same as it
> > ever was. See your worthless ass being handed
> to
> > you (again) below. Retard.
> > .
>
> Not me, shit for brains. I never contested your
> correct assertion of 14 miles, which more than
> proves my point that a GAR is really only good
> enough for an outside the beltway crowd. Then
> again, I've handed you your ass on every topic.
>
> You're going to have to accept the fact more than
> one person doesn't accept your bullshit alternate
> reality. Will your fragile ego allow you to do
> that?


The pwnmo is strong with this one!

+1

"Bethesda" is a CDP primarily inside 495, with one section north along Rockville Pike, which amazingly is a total of 4 miles from the southern end of Gaithersburg.

Now let's get back to realizing that you're a clueless fucktard, ok?

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> "virtually"?

Yes, virtually. Is that a new word to you?

> You still can't refute the WaPo.

I have half a dozen times. The number published was a phony number generated by crooked streetcar opponents. See the many posts up-thread explaining how and why.

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> Not me, shit for brains. I never contested your
> correct assertion of 14 miles...

Oh, it wasn't you. I see.

> ...which more than proves my point that a GAR is
> really only good enough for an outside the beltway
> crowd.

You never made that point. That was somebody else.

> You're going to have to accept the fact more than
> one person doesn't accept your bullshit alternate
> reality.

Not in this thread. It's just fucking you, loser, and you're getting your teeny-weeny head stove in.

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> Right contract. As referenced in the link, HOK
> did the original design work, along with designs
> for improvements to the Clarendon and Crystal City
> Metro stops, under a separate contract with
> $396,340 in funding for a prototype design for use
> at 7 “Super Stops” along Columbia Pike.

Didn't survive. The HOK contract EXPIRED in 2006. The actual designs were submitted, reviewed, and debated in 2010 and 2011 with construction beginning in late 2011. 2010 and 2011 are well after 2006.

> The later WMATA agreement was for the
> *construction* of 3 prototype stations based on
> that design.

The design as finalized in 2011.

> The $85K sole-source award referenced was for
> services to be performed during *construction*
> phase of the 3-prototype project as justified
> based on its earlier design work.

As stated earlier, it was for as-needed consulting service to Arlington County re prior work delivered to WMATA under a contract that no longer existed.

> That all ended up as the single +$1 million prototype.

That all led to construction of a single prototype which dirty rotten artisan scoundrels lied about, saying that it cost $1 million.

> There were no $20.8 or $12.4 million contracts.

Sheesh!

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> "Bethesda" is a CDP primarily inside 495, with one
> section north along Rockville Pike, which
> amazingly is a total of 4 miles from the southern
> end of Gaithersburg.

Seriously? The Bethesda CDP is outlined below in red. Which section is it that you feel comes within 4 miles of the southern end of Gaithersburg?
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> The point in mentioning Bethesda is to point out
> that it offers a far different clientele than
> Gaithersburg...

No, feeble one, you were simply confused as to the location, and in the sadly mistaken manner in which you seem to do virtually everything, you typed the wrong one.

> ...and that if GAR offerings were improving, they'd
> move to capture the upscale clientele of the Bethesda
> instead of the folks in Gaithersburg.

GAR has opened a number of restaurants. Each time, they've carefully studied all aspects of every candidate area. Bethesda obviously lost out. Many factors come into play here. The ability to obtain and develop property is one of them.

> And GAR will name that restaurant and each is different.

Actually, there are three Sweetwaters and there will be three Coastal Flats once the one in Gaithersburg opens. Dumb shit!

> Blah, blah, blah, namedrop, sound important, blah,> blah, blah.

Eat my dust, asshole. That's all you CAN do. The length and breath of my epicurean history dwarfs yours. Even if I drop dead tomorrow, you will never catch up.

> My comments are spot on, your palate is
> pedestrian, much like the rest of your existence.

As I keep demonstrating, your comments are for shit. Most of them are lies, and the rest of them are stupid. Can't expect much more from an ignorant asshole though.

> How'd I know the exact amount they come in????

Well, you might want to call Sweetwater and ask them about that. The actuality is that BOG cards do not come in preset amounts. Managers load them with whatever amounts they see fit at the time. Looks like yet another case of YOU = STUPID ASSFUCK LYING DUMBSHIT.

> To think that mistakes can't be made in a
> restaurant is ridiculous.

Of course. And to think that vacuous LIES cannot be told by desperate ignorant asshole twits on the internet is also ridiculous. You've made a complete ass of yourself over and over and over again here. Other than that, you've not made much progress, dumbfuck.

> Wrong. Wrong on so many levels. While rib eye
> USUSALLY has very little to no gristle, its
> presence indicates an inferior cut of meat that is
> usually served by inferior restaurants - hence, my
> disappointment. If the rib eye is not trimmed
> from the bone properly, you will have gristle.

Gristle is cooked cartilage. A rib-eye consists of the meat from three muscles and a bunch of fat. No cartilage at all.

> Right. Living along a toll road miles from the
> beltway is an inner suburb. Dummy.

LOL! Reston is not an inner suburb either. Are you so ignorantly binary as to believe that "exurbs" and "inner suburbs" are all that there are? Limits to your stupidity appear not to exist.

Actual SmarTrip.... Wrote:
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> nGGnx Wrote:
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> > Right contract. As referenced in the link, HOK
> > did the original design work, along with
> designs
> > for improvements to the Clarendon and Crystal
> City
> > Metro stops, under a separate contract with
> > $396,340 in funding for a prototype design for
> use
> > at 7 “Super Stops” along Columbia Pike.
>
> Didn't survive. The HOK contract EXPIRED in 2006.
> The actual designs were submitted, reviewed, and
> debated in 2010 and 2011 with construction
> beginning in late 2011. 2010 and 2011 are well
> after 2006.


The contract didn't need to 'survive.' The design deliverables for the prototype station(s) were completed in 2005/2006 at a cost of $396,340.

The design did survive and was what was used as the basis for the 'Super Stop' project at an estimated cost of $21 million as included in the County's 5-year Capital Improvement Plan for FY07-FY12 approved in 2006.

It's also the design as it went forward to various required reviews/approvals by VDOT and some Fed review where it was pending all of that until about mid-2010. There were no substantive changes to HOK's design other than minor for compliance.

The county issued the go for the 3-stop prototype project based on the same design under the agreement with WMATA in 3/2011. Actual construction began in 9/2011. The county bailed on the other two stops due to the delays by WMATA and rising costs. The single +$1 million stop was completed in 3/2013.

The additional redesign to get to the $12.4 million design/estimate was in addition to and did not happen until after the single prototype was finished and any following the independent reviews (also cost in addition to).

And you realize that if that were not the case then it would just be even more costs to assign to the prototype right?


>
> > The later WMATA agreement was for the
> > *construction* of 3 prototype stations based on
> > that design.
>
> The design as finalized in 2011.


The point being the agreement with WMATA and the sole-source follow-on to HOK was for *construction* not design work. The design as finalized was the earlier design by HOK with only minor changes for compliance. WMATA did no design work under its contract. No contractors other than HOK did any designs prior to completion of the prototype under any other contract.

>
> > The $85K sole-source award referenced was for
> > services to be performed during *construction*
> > phase of the 3-prototype project as justified
> > based on its earlier design work.
>
> As stated earlier, it was for as-needed consulting
> service to Arlington County re prior work
> delivered to WMATA under a contract that no longer
> existed.

As noted above it was intended to support the *construction* phase of the project based on its design, not design work. From the SOW:

Quote

To insure successful project implementation, “HOK” will provide construction engineering services during the construction phase of the three prototype stops, which will include pre-bid and pre-construction meeting participation, shop drawing reviews, response to Requests for Information from the contractor, punch list inspections, and review of contractor-provided as-built drawings.

>
> > That all ended up as the single +$1 million
> prototype.
>
> That all led to construction of a single prototype
> which dirty rotten artisan scoundrels lied about,
> saying that it cost $1 million.

What is it about the fact that it did cost +$1 million that don't you understand?

>
> > There were no $20.8 or $12.4 million contracts.
>
>
> Sheesh!


Let's see your $20.8 or $12.4 million contract(s).

Take your time.

Driving on the toll road tonight from Reston towards Tysons and when I got past Wolf Trap a Metro train was coming the opposite side with its HIGH BEAMS on. It was clearly a distraction and really annoyed me even though I had the Dulles Airport lanes between my car and the Metro. That's an accident waiting to happen!

Actual SmarTrip.... Wrote:
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> Tuesday Fails, for the Fail King Wrote:
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> > The point in mentioning Bethesda is to point out
>
> > that it offers a far different clientele than
> > Gaithersburg...
>
> No, feeble one, you were simply confused as to the
> location, and in the sadly mistaken manner in
> which you seem to do virtually everything, you
> typed the wrong one.

Wrong, turd noggin. It is almost as if you are some mental midget Glenn Beck watcher and you need a white board to spell everything out for you.

You: Did you know that GAR is expanding to Gaithersburg in the Fall?
Me: Besides, it is Gaithersburg, not Bethesda.

If your little bitty brain cell needs confirmation for this exchange, just scroll on up.

A person even remotely familiar with this area and possessing the intellect of a pre-school child would understand why the comparison was made. Given that you are neither familiar with the area or capable of mastering the intellectual skills of a pre-school child, it is understandable why you didn't get it.

For starters, the median household income in Gaithersburg is about $81K while it is $141K in Bethesda. Beginning to see the difference?

I bet you have to get simple things explained to you quite a bit, eh?

> > ...and that if GAR offerings were improving,
> they'd
> > move to capture the upscale clientele of the
> Bethesda
> > instead of the folks in Gaithersburg.
>
> GAR has opened a number of restaurants. Each
> time, they've carefully studied all aspects of
> every candidate area. Bethesda obviously lost
> out. Many factors come into play here. The
> ability to obtain and develop property is one of
> them.

Or, they figured the good folks in Bethesda wouldn't be interested in a GAR while their less affluent neighbors to the north in Gaithersburg would line up for it. They did the same calculation I did way up there when I pointed out they weren't hitting the more affluent market of Bethesda. It only took you a few days to figure it out. Thanks.

> > And GAR will name that restaurant and each is
> different.
>
> Actually, there are three Sweetwaters and there
> will be three Coastal Flats once the one in
> Gaithersburg opens. Dumb shit!

See, now was it so hard to tell us which GAR was going in Gaithersburg? Do you make things so difficult because they come difficult to you? Don't bother answering, we all know the answer.

> > Blah, blah, blah, namedrop, sound important,
> blah,> blah, blah.
>
> Eat my dust, asshole. That's all you CAN do. The
> length and breath of my epicurean history dwarfs
> yours. Even if I drop dead tomorrow, you will
> never catch up.

Please. You wouldn't know the difference between eating a meal in a Michelin starred restaurant versus eating a meal out of a Michelin radial. I'll let you look up Michelin rated restaurants.

Next you'll tell us about what an accomplished "foodie" you are. LOL.


> Of course. And to think that vacuous LIES cannot
> be told by desperate ignorant asshole twits on
> the internet is also ridiculous.

I would never claim that. In fact, I would point to your posts as proof of the opposite.

> > Wrong. Wrong on so many levels. While rib eye
> > USUSALLY has very little to no gristle, its
> > presence indicates an inferior cut of meat that
> is
> > usually served by inferior restaurants - hence,
> my
> > disappointment. If the rib eye is not trimmed
> > from the bone properly, you will have gristle.
>
>
> Gristle is cooked cartilage. A rib-eye consists
> of the meat from three muscles and a bunch of fat.
> No cartilage at all.

Unless it is butchered poorly, which was the case at Sweetwater the last time I had it. You might not call it a rib eye as it contained cartilage (something it is not supposed to have), but Sweetwater did.

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> Take your time.

Rehashed rubbish and irrelevancies are not worth two seconds, but here's about forty-five. Regardless of perceptions or intentions in 2007, statements that designs were complete and that construction was about to proceed were each wrong by four freaking years. Designs were not completed until the first half of 2011 and construction did not start until the second half, being almost immediately halted over issues of incomplete permitting.

Work not related to construction of the prototype cannot be attributed to it, nor can any work that in fact carried over from that contact to the next.

The rest of your arguments now seem to hinge upon (cower behind) the pointless hair-splitting notion of difference between contracts authorized and actually let and signed. You may wish to haul your sorry ass over to www.DebateSemantics.com, the home of picayune poltroons.

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Go fuck yourself, turd-bot. You and your laughable invisible friends have gotten everything imaginable wrong here. Lies, lies, and more lies in absurd attempts to cover your badly beaten ass.

You're a simpleton downscale dumbfuck who has now disintegrated and fallen off the radar.

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> Go fuck yourself, turd-bot. You and your
> laughable invisible friends have gotten everything
> imaginable wrong here. Lies, lies, and more lies
> in absurd attempts to cover your badly beaten ass.
>
>
> You're a simpleton downscale dumbfuck who has now
> disintegrated and fallen off the radar.


No need to get your panties in a wad after getting beaten so badly. It is difficult for your lies to stand up against facts and the truth. Your last attempt at deflection is a feeble one, just like your mind.

Actual SmarTrip.... Wrote:
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> MXhNH Wrote:
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> > Take your time.
>
> Rehashed rubbish and irrelevancies are not worth
> two seconds, but here's about forty-five.
> Regardless of perceptions or intentions in 2007,
> statements that designs were complete and that
> construction was about to proceed were each wrong
> by four freaking years. Designs were not
> completed until the first half of 2011 and
> construction did not start until the second half,
> being almost immediately halted over issues of
> incomplete permitting.

The relevance is that HOK was the firm responsible for the design. There was no other firm, as you claimed, which did any other substantial design work for the "Super Stop" project. The design which was created in 2006 was that carried forward to build other than minor revisions. Because the final build design did not receive required approvals by VDOT et. al. until 2010, HOK still did the design. The timing was not the issue. The timeline was given only to to detail who did what when. The issue was your claim otherwise and that HOK's work some how doesn't "count" simply because the contract ended.

The cost for HOK's design work was $396,340 + $85,000 + additional amounts beyond that which I also can dig out if you really want for a total design cost in the range of $500K (prior to necessary later revisions by Parsons). That cost is applicable to the total $+1 million cost of the prototype.

>
> Work not related to construction of the prototype
> cannot be attributed to it, nor can any work that
> in fact carried over from that contact to the
> next.
>

What? The cost for the design of the prototype can't be counted toward it? That's ridiculous.

Work carried over from one contract to another certainly can be counted toward the total cost of the project. Design work is routinely done under separate contract versus construction and other separable phases of projects. Even in the case that some initial design was significantly modified or not used at all, which is not the case here, that cost still would be applicable to the total final cost for the project. There was no substantial design work done other than by HOK until the Parsons revisions following completion of the prototype. Which is additive to the cost of the overall project. Which is +$1 million by the county's own accounting. Which actually understates the cost by any true accounting since it doesn't include all of the county's internal costs.


> The rest of your arguments now seem to hinge upon
> (cower behind) the pointless hair-splitting notion
> of difference between contracts authorized and
> actually let and signed. You may wish to haul
> your sorry ass over to www.DebateSemantics.com,
> the home of picayune poltroons.


There were no $20.8 or 12.4 million contracts authorized or otherwise for the work to be done under as you claimed. The work was done under HOK's contract(s) and the $1.7 million WMATA construction agreement for the 3-stop project.

You may want to head over to the county's site and read their own materials related to the project and associated costs.

forever failing keeps failing Wrote:
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> Actual SmarTrip.... Wrote:
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> > fail machine keeps failing Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > Go fuck yourself, turd-bot. You and your
> > laughable invisible friends have gotten
> everything
> > imaginable wrong here. Lies, lies, and more
> lies
> > in absurd attempts to cover your badly beaten
> ass.
> >
> >
> > You're a simpleton downscale dumbfuck who has
> now
> > disintegrated and fallen off the radar.
>
>
> No need to get your panties in a wad after getting
> beaten so badly. It is difficult for your lies to
> stand up against facts and the truth. Your last
> attempt at deflection is a feeble one, just like
> your mind.


^ is an idiot. Clearly one person here is aware of what happened, and the other relies on Sean Hannity and the Comstock Times to get his "news". You are never going to change this morons mind, and yes a lie is 1000 times hard to disprove, but its not like Arlington is going to stop being transit friendly. Fuck this guy. He probably lives in Prince William and wonders why his traffic is so bad. Live well knowing his life is shit, he's unmarried, and he's a douche.

whimpers about language, keeps up the goober racist asshole comments...

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> > Actual SmarTrip.... Wrote:
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> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > fail machine keeps failing Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > Go fuck yourself, turd-bot. You and your
> > > laughable invisible friends have gotten
> > everything
> > > imaginable wrong here. Lies, lies, and more
> > lies
> > > in absurd attempts to cover your badly beaten
> > ass.
> > >
> > >
> > > You're a simpleton downscale dumbfuck who has
> > now
> > > disintegrated and fallen off the radar.
> >
> >
> > No need to get your panties in a wad after
> getting
> > beaten so badly. It is difficult for your lies
> to
> > stand up against facts and the truth. Your
> last
> > attempt at deflection is a feeble one, just
> like
> > your mind.
>
>
> ^ is an idiot. Clearly one person here is aware of
> what happened, and the other relies on Sean
> Hannity and the Comstock Times to get his "news".
> You are never going to change this morons mind,
> and yes a lie is 1000 times hard to disprove, but
> its not like Arlington is going to stop being
> transit friendly. Fuck this guy. He probably lives
> in Prince William and wonders why his traffic is
> so bad. Live well knowing his life is shit, he's
> unmarried, and he's a douche.


Married and live comfortably inside the beltway :)

You probably can't say the same.

As for Hannity, etc, I view them the same way I view Glenn Beck. You can see my opinion on that if you care to scroll on up. Not surprised a dimwit like you missed it and can't follow along.

SmartTrip's lies are actually easy to disprove. All you have to do is look at the documents provided by Arlington County. What's the matter? Too stupid to do that?





But hey, don't take my word for it, take the county's when it comes to what the super stop cost.

yall seriously need to get a room

probably both gay too perfect

SmarTrip proven wrong again.

While the program is not new to the county, Riddle says the Tysons area has seen an uptick in crime for 2014. It's something he attributes to the arrival of the Silver Line.

"Since we started operations on the Silver Line on July 26, we've seen a tremendous increase in calls for service as well as criminal arrests," Riddle says.


Read more: http://www.wtop.com/41/3750672/Undercover-officers-deployed-in-Tysons-Corner-to-curtail-uptick-in-crime#ixzz3KBhWMjd6

Somebody must have taken a pretty bad beating.

Four-month old butthurt? Wrote:
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> Somebody must have taken a pretty bad beating.


Yup. SmarTrip sure did and continues to.

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> Yup. SmarTrip sure did and continues to.

From your previous post, I'm thinking that this "SmarTrip" was the one who inflicted all the butthurt. Re-opening a four-month old thread is an act of pure and mind-boggling desperation. You might as well just tattoo "BUTTHURT" across your forehead.

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> > Yup. SmarTrip sure did and continues to.
>
> From your previous post, I'm thinking that this
> "SmarTrip" was the one who inflicted all the
> butthurt. Re-opening a four-month old thread is
> an act of pure and mind-boggling desperation. You
> might as well just tattoo "BUTTHURT" across your
> forehead.

Call it adding fuel to the fire. Proving him (you) wrong and seeing him (you) erupt us pure hilarity. His (your) asinine statements are roundly ridiculed by many.

Okay, I'm not trained to handle the sorts of problems you have. Have a nice, calm Thanksgiving.

The problem with the Silver Line is that it doesn't go through Vienna. No mattress stores you see.

Four-month old butthurt Wrote:
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> Okay, I'm not trained to handle the sorts of
> problems you have. Have a nice, calm
> Thanksgiving.


You're not trained to go to the bathroom on your own.