That's right folks, DC is in the lead concerning the US' Olympic sites for the 2024 games. DC is the only city that has most of it's athletic structures constructed (especially when you considering Baltimore and the surrounding area) and a substantial mass transit network capable of handling large crowds.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out, but our nation's capital could play host to the 2024 games!!!

Instead of investing in transit, transportation, schools, and police they go with soccer stadiums and olympics. Sounds like they are returning to their former poor leadership. Shame, considering the city has improved so much over the past decade.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

That's cool, it would be great to have worldwide attention to DC for peaceful things (ie Olympics). One tragedy however, is one bribe for an IOC official will make our front running city a host would be taken away.

I don't get why people hate this. Every stadium is practically built, so they'd only have to build an Olympic village and other stuff. Besides, if you don't want to be in the area during the games, just rent your house out. Such a quick and easy way to make a little $$$.

Some people are so clueless, it's not even funny. Why can't DC have the Olympics? Why should LA, SF or Boston, 3 cities that while iconic, don't match the history or economic potential that the DC Area has.

Remember, if 95% of the crap is already built, what is the concern here? Would they have to extend Metro to BWI? Probably. Add more lanes to he Beltway? Maybe. But are we talking about sinking billions into shit we're never going to use again like those crooked Chinese and fiscally irresponsible Greeks?

Think about it for a minute.

Independent Wrote:
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> I don't get why people hate this. Every stadium is
> practically built, so they'd only have to build an
> Olympic village and other stuff. Besides, if you
> don't want to be in the area during the games,
> just rent your house out. Such a quick and easy
> way to make a little $$$.
>
> Some people are so clueless, it's not even funny.
> Why can't DC have the Olympics? Why should LA, SF
> or Boston, 3 cities that while iconic, don't match
> the history or economic potential that the DC Area
> has.
>
> Remember, if 95% of the crap is already built,
> what is the concern here? Would they have to
> extend Metro to BWI? Probably. Add more lanes to
> he Beltway? Maybe. But are we talking about
> sinking billions into shit we're never going to
> use again like those crooked Chinese and fiscally
> irresponsible Greeks?
>
> Think about it for a minute.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113351145


If making money were an Olympic event, no city hosting the games would win a gold medal. Or silver. Or bronze.

"There has never been an Olympic Games that has made a profit," says Robert Barney, director of the International Centre for Olympic Studies at the University of Western Ontario. Barney is also co-author of Selling the Five Rings: The International Olympic Committee and the Rise of Olympic Commercialism.

Fold in all the costs and revenues, he says, "including federal allotments, municipal allotments, provincial or state allotments, it's always been that a debt has to be paid somewhere."

The additional costs include security and infrastructure improvements not included in the Olympic budgets but provided by government.

Barney and others who have analyzed Olympic costs contradict the claims of Olympic boosters and White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, who was asked this week to justify President Obama's travel to Denmark to support Chicago's bid for the 2016 summer games.

Independent Wrote:
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> I don't get why people hate this. Every stadium is
> practically built, so they'd only have to build an
> Olympic village and other stuff. Besides, if you
> don't want to be in the area during the games,
> just rent your house out. Such a quick and easy
> way to make a little $$$.
>
> Some people are so clueless, it's not even funny.
> Why can't DC have the Olympics? Why should LA, SF
> or Boston, 3 cities that while iconic, don't match
> the history or economic potential that the DC Area
> has.
>
> Remember, if 95% of the crap is already built,
> what is the concern here? Would they have to
> extend Metro to BWI? Probably. Add more lanes to
> he Beltway? Maybe. But are we talking about
> sinking billions into shit we're never going to
> use again like those crooked Chinese and fiscally
> irresponsible Greeks?
>
> Think about it for a minute.


You are an idiot if you think the stadiums are complete. You have no clue how the IOC process works. They require you to build new stadiums up to their standards, multiple swimming venues meeting their standards, have a couple of venues for team sports. Theres a lot that goes into it, not to mention spending for transpo/olympic village itself.

It costs billions for even developed cities to do this. See how much London spent, see how much Vancouver spent, see how much China spent.

Agree, it's not like they're going to let DC use RFK.

We be robbin tourists and makin de money. Hell yeah.

Well maybe this will be a good chance to further gentrify DC and clean up the city a little more make make it a more desirable place to leave and eventually reducing the amount of commuters.

Not NOVA, why is this on here?

DMV God Wrote:
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> Not NOVA, why is this on here?


Olympic venues would be in NOVA. Kayaking for one, would take place on the Potomac. In case you didn't know, the Potomac borders NOVA. That wouldn't be the only one, either.

Now, go eat a dick.

get bent Wrote:

>
> Olympic venues would be in NOVA. Kayaking for
> one, would take place on the Potomac. In case you
> didn't know, the Potomac borders NOVA. That
> wouldn't be the only one, either.
>
> Now, go eat a dick.


Virginia's border ends at the Potomac - jurisdiction of the river is DC and Maryland. Looks like someone is too busy thinking of eating dick to know geography

DMV God Wrote:
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> get bent Wrote:
>
> >
> > Olympic venues would be in NOVA. Kayaking for
> > one, would take place on the Potomac. In case
> you
> > didn't know, the Potomac borders NOVA. That
> > wouldn't be the only one, either.
> >
> > Now, go eat a dick.
>
>
> Virginia's border ends at the Potomac -
> jurisdiction of the river is DC and Maryland.
> Looks like someone is too busy thinking of eating
> dick to know geography

Your response was predictable. I know enough geography to know that I can stand on the Virginia shoreline and watch an Olympic event taking place on the river without leaving NOVA. Besides, I listed kayaking as just one example.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/olympics-in-washington-group-interested-in-making-it-happen/2013/08/27/092ddfc0-0f17-11e3-bdf6-e4fc677d94a1_story.html?hpid=z4

"Eleven years after a joint Washington-Baltimore bid to host the Summer Olympics was snubbed, a group based in the nation’s capital announced Tuesday its interest in trying again. This time, the initiative doesn’t formally include Baltimore, though preliminary plans call for staging events in Maryland’s largest city, as well as Northern Virginia and the District."

Want a side of crow with that dick???

Nobody on this site likes the WaPo (you know why...). If it's not the Examiner or Times, it's not credible.

Only the leeches / liberals would be in favor of this, as they never pay any taxes anyway. Dems, as always, would be more than happy to stick working people with the bill.

It's the WaPo tho... Wrote:
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> Nobody on this site likes the WaPo (you know
> why...). If it's not the Examiner or Times, it's
> not credible.


Whatever you say...

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2014/06/13/d-c-among-four-u-s-cities-in-contention-for-2024-olympics/

http://arlington-va.patch.com/groups/sports/p/dc-2024-washington-wants-to-host-summer-olympics_ea18b610

http://www.washingtonian.com/blogs/capitalcomment/sports/washington-makes-the-short-list-for-2024-olympics.php

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/27/dc-group-bids-bring-2024-olympics-washington-area/?page=all

DMV God Wrote:
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> Virginia's border ends at the Potomac -
> jurisdiction of the river is DC and Maryland.
> Looks like someone is too busy thinking of eating
> dick to know geography

Nobody gives a shit what some low-life fucktard asshole who doesn't know what DMV stands for has to say. I addition, there's the fact that you are batshit stupid. A DC Olympics would have profound effects in Fairfax County. Take the Police and Fire Games and multiply by a couple of hundred.

No No No Wrote:
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> Only the leeches / liberals would be in favor of
> this, as they never pay any taxes anyway. Dems,
> as always, would be more than happy to stick
> working people with the bill.


Why are you mad?

No No No Wrote:
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> Only the leeches / liberals would be in favor of
> this, as they never pay any taxes anyway. Dems,
> as always, would be more than happy to stick
> working people with the bill.

Assholes cough up nickels and dimes and think they pay all the taxes! What a fucking bunch of losers!

If the Olympics come to DC, I am going to my house in Maine for the month - it will be a traffic nightmare!

How sad is it that the USOC, not the IOC, has DC on the top of the list for sites to submit?

The NFL will not even consider the area for a Super Bowl and the NCAA Men Basketball will not consider the area for a Final Four. All because the city lacks the proper accomodations.

Yet the area is acceptable for the Olympics?

Hmmm... Wrote:
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> DMV God Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Virginia's border ends at the Potomac -
> > jurisdiction of the river is DC and Maryland.
> > Looks like someone is too busy thinking of
> eating
> > dick to know geography
>
> Nobody gives a shit what some low-life fucktard
> asshole who doesn't know what DMV stands for has
> to say. I addition, there's the fact that you are
> batshit stupid. A DC Olympics would have profound
> effects in Fairfax County. Take the Police and
> Fire Games and multiply by a couple of hundred.


+1

To anyone in NoVA, this guy is claiming to be king of the place you get a driver's license.

If he is using DMV to refer to DC, MD, and VA, he is a massive tool.

DMV God Wrote:
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> If the Olympics come to DC, I am going to my house
> in Maine for the month - it will be a traffic
> nightmare!

I hear people up there refer to the Dominion, Maine, and Vermont as the DMV. All assholes, all the time.

A Different Look Wrote:
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> The NFL will not even consider the area for a
> Super Bowl and the NCAA Men Basketball will not
> consider the area for a Final Four. All because
> the city lacks the proper accomodations.

No, that's not the reason, you moron. The NFL chooses only warm weather cities. Occasionally, they divert to a northern dome. The NCAA will only go to a dome with 80,000 seats since a basketball court is so tiny, they can only use half an arena for the event. There are currently nine sites that fit their bill, but two of them are slated to be torn down in the next couple of years.

> Yet the area is acceptable for the Olympics?

Easily.

Make It a Permanent Move Wrote:
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> DMV God Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If the Olympics come to DC, I am going to my
> house
> > in Maine for the month - it will be a traffic
> > nightmare!
>
> I hear people up there refer to the Dominion,
> Maine, and Vermont as the DMV. All assholes, all
> the time.

I am only moving there permanently if you tell me about all the glory holes that you visit around the DMV? #BringBackTheDick

Hmmm... Wrote:
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>
> Nobody gives a shit what some low-life fucktard
> asshole who doesn't know what DMV stands for has
> to say. I addition, there's the fact that you are
> batshit stupid. A DC Olympics would have profound
> effects in Fairfax County. Take the Police and
> Fire Games and multiply by a couple of hundred.

... of debt.

Sorry, Junior, no Olympics in DC for you. If you want to host Olympics, you get a fucking job and save up your own money. Your mother and I will not be subsidizing your irresponsible spending or lazy lib dumbassery any longer.

From the glass enclosed nerve center, DC Olympic Committee Chairman just named. Nomination's now a lock.
Attachments:

red line Wrote:
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> ... of debt.

Olympic Games are not for the purpose of making money for themselves. They are mostly non-profit enterprises after all. They make money for the actors who stage them and the regions that host them in terms of expanded levels of economic interest, infrastructure, and activity. Your post meanwhile suggests that you have some level of debt-phobia in your life. In reality debt is a garden-variety means of financing. Perhaps you should read up on it. Like Communists in the closet, there is really nothing to be afraid of here.

Parent of Lib Wrote:
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> Sorry, Junior, no Olympics in DC for you. If you
> want to host Olympics, you get a fucking job and
> save up your own money. Your mother and I will
> not be subsidizing your irresponsible spending or
> lazy lib dumbassery any longer.

Go back to Kentucky, dirtbag.

Hizzoner Wrote:
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> From the glass enclosed nerve center, DC Olympic
> Committee Chairman just named. Nomination's now a
> lock.

Actually, the chairman of DC2024 is Russ Ramsey of Great Falls with Ted Leonsis as his vice-chairman.

Hmmm... Wrote:
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> Hizzoner Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > From the glass enclosed nerve center, DC
> Olympic
> > Committee Chairman just named. Nomination's now
> a
> > lock.
>
> Actually, the chairman of DC2024 is Russ Ramsey of
> Great Falls with Ted Leonsis as his vice-chairman.

Don't get in the way of an agenda...no matter how retarded it is.

International Financier Wrote:
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> red line Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ... of debt.
>
> Olympic Games are not for the purpose of making
> money for themselves. They are mostly non-profit
> enterprises after all. They make money for the
> actors who stage them and the regions that host
> them in terms of expanded levels of economic
> interest, infrastructure, and activity. Your post
> meanwhile suggests that you have some level of
> debt-phobia in your life. In reality debt is a
> garden-variety means of financing. Perhaps you
> should read up on it. Like Communists in the
> closet, there is really nothing to be afraid of
> here.

Actually it's just the opposite. The IOC definitely makes money for itself whether the site does or not. The host is the one who takes on the vast majority of the investment and risk. Which, other than in some relatively unique cases, typically doesn't pay off. It generates a very short term impact and very expensive job creation the cost of which then is carried by the host for many years. Especially given the massive costs involved to do so these days. And particularly in the case of US sites which don't benefit in the primary way as some countries may where can be a greater macroeconomic effect.

To be fair, Barcelona (1992) did see a profit from the games. Beijing (2008) claims to have made a profit, but I don't trust the Chinese and their dodgy math.

EDIT: Atlanta (1996), Salt Lake City (2002) and London (2012) also made a profit, albeit in the tens of millions of dollars. Athens (2004) had a net loss of $15 billion and partly contributed to their debt issues.

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_the_Olympic_Games



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/09/2014 05:41PM by Independent.

red line Wrote:
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> Actually it's just the opposite. The IOC definitely
> makes money for itself whether the site does or not.

Why is it necessary to explain that the IOC and any Olympic Games are two separate entities when you state as much yourself? Was it the case that you did not know what you were saying?

> The host is the one who takes on the vast majority
> of the investment and risk. Which, other than in some
> relatively unique cases, typically doesn't pay off.

There is no such thing as "relatively unique", and if there are as many as "some", then they are not even approaching unique. Try using words that you actually understand next time.

> It generates a very short term impact and very expensive
> job creation the cost of which then is carried by the
> host for many years. Especially given the massive costs
> involved to do so these days. And particularly in the
> case of US sites which don't benefit in the primary way
> as some countries may where can be a greater macroeconomic
> effect.

One of the benefits of being an international financier is that you get to laugh at the unfounded nonsense that neophytes post in blogs an on message boards. I was intrigued for instance by what you characterized as "very expensive" job creation costs for Olympics-related projects. What was your actual estimate in dollar terms? What did you then use as your standard of comparison, and how was that level calculated? You won't answer because you have no idea. All of that was just a bunch of hot air that sounded good to your totally untrained ear. Ditto for your hollow use of "primary way" and "macroeconomic effect". Nobody who knows the actual turf here is going to believe for a millisecond that you have even a tiny fractional grasp of any of it.

Independent Wrote:
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> To be fair, Barcelona (1992) did see a profit from
> the games. Beijing (2008) claims to have made a
> profit, but I don't trust the Chinese and their
> dodgy math.
>
> EDIT: Atlanta (1996), Salt Lake City (2002) and
> London (2012) also made a profit, albeit in the
> tens of millions of dollars. Athens (2004) had a
> net loss of $15 billion and partly contributed to
> their debt issues.
>
> SOURCE:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_the_Olympic_G
> ames


Not a very good source. It has numbers drawn from all over used for direct comparisons which aren't really comparable. There are many better deep dives for the costs of past games at various US locations.

I agree. Bringing the Olympics to DC will raise the international status of the city and cause it to be known around the world.

Independent Wrote:
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> To be fair, Barcelona (1992) did see a profit from
> the games. Beijing (2008) claims to have made a
> profit, but I don't trust the Chinese and their
> dodgy math.
>
> EDIT: Atlanta (1996), Salt Lake City (2002) and
> London (2012) also made a profit, albeit in the
> tens of millions of dollars. Athens (2004) had a
> net loss of $15 billion and partly contributed to
> their debt issues.
>
> SOURCE:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_the_Olympic_G
> ames

So, where the actual target is to break about even, most in fact do manage that, plus or minus some inconsequential amounts. And this is merely in financial terms. Quantifying things like cachet, allure, and prestige is hard to do, yet those effects are very real and often durable.

red line Wrote:
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> Not a very good source. It has numbers drawn from
> all over used for direct comparisons which aren't
> really comparable. There are many better deep
> dives for the costs of past games at various US
> locations.

Oddly, you have pointed to exactly NONE of them. The hollowness of your claims is at least consistent. I'll wager the next one won't be worth two cents either.

International Financier Wrote:
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> red line Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Actually it's just the opposite. The IOC
> definitely
> > makes money for itself whether the site does or
> not.
>
> Why is it necessary to explain that the IOC and
> any Olympic Games are two separate entities when
> you state as much yourself? Was it the case that
> you did not know what you were saying?

No, it was for the purpose of distinguishing who in particular wasn't concerned with making money as far as the "Olympic Games" as you stated.

>
> > The host is the one who takes on the vast
> majority
> > of the investment and risk. Which, other than
> in some
> > relatively unique cases, typically doesn't pay
> off.
>
> There is no such thing as "relatively unique", and
> if there are as many as "some", then they are not
> even approaching unique. Try using words that you
> actually understand next time.

There absolutely are. What applies for South Korea doesn't necessarily apply to Salt Lake. The economic benefits on exports, longer-term tourism, useful infrastructure development are not nearly the same. As any number of studies show.

>
> > It generates a very short term impact and very
> expensive
> > job creation the cost of which then is carried
> by the
> > host for many years. Especially given the
> massive costs
> > involved to do so these days. And particularly
> in the
> > case of US sites which don't benefit in the
> primary way
> > as some countries may where can be a greater
> macroeconomic
> > effect.
>
> One of the benefits of being an international
> financier is that you get to laugh at the
> unfounded nonsense that neophytes post in blogs an
> on message boards. I was intrigued for instance
> by what you characterized as "very expensive" job
> creation costs for Olympics-related projects.
> What was your actual estimate in dollar terms?
> What did you then use as your standard of
> comparison, and how was that level calculated?
> You won't answer because you have no idea. All of
> that was just a bunch of hot air that sounded good
> to your totally untrained ear. Ditto for your
> hollow use of "primary way" and "macroeconomic
> effect". Nobody who knows the actual turf here is
> going to believe for a millisecond that you have
> even a tiny fractional grasp of any of it.


Yeah, you're an expert in everything asshole. Today you're an "international financier." /roll eyes

There are literally hundreds if not thousands of academic and other analyses of the costs and net economic benefits (or not). Most find that most benefits are not direct but rather secondary larger-scale effects. i.e., most of the games are shaky at best but the overall benefit for the country as a whole in some cases may be a net plus on a larger, longer-term basis. Which is not necessarily the case for a US-sited location like DC. This isn't any novel territory. It's been debated many, many times including in the past as far as DC as a potential site.