I was in the Route 1 area (yeah, I know) over the weekend. Along parts of the strip were lots of Bill Euille signs for the Dem primary on 06/10. There was also a smattering of a couple of the others. These were on public pieces of land, not private property. I was under the impression that Section 8 Sharon and the BoS banned these types of signs on public thruways a few years back. Is this not the case? If it is violation, where does one report this?

You just reported it.

I will be reminding campaigns on Wednesday at the next Electoral Board meeting about the County ordinance. We've gotten complaints about a variety of candidates on both sides of the aisle.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2014 10:28AM by BrianSchoeneman.

Despite recent legislative changes...shit ain't gonna' change, Brian.

We have laws on the books regarding occupancy of residential domiciles which are not enforced either...result? Many, many perfectly good middle-income neighborhoods up through 1994 that have now been ruined by 10+ people living in a house built for 6. They park too many cars and they don't cut their grass.

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> You just reported it.
>
> I will be reminding campaigns on Wednesday at the
> next Electoral Board meeting about the County
> ordinance. We've gotten complaints about a variety
> of candidates on both sides of the aisle.


Thanks.

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> You just reported it.
>
> I will be reminding campaigns on Wednesday at the
> next Electoral Board meeting about the County
> ordinance. We've gotten complaints about a variety
> of candidates on both sides of the aisle.

It's a STATE law, dummy (Va. Code Ann. § 33.1-373). The County assists VDOT by using available Sheriff's Office Community Labor Force workers (i.e., chaingangs) to pull median and other illegal signage weekly on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays. They follow regular schedules and do not respond to citizen complaints. Route-1 is one of dozens of major roadways included in the official sign-pulling effort. Don't expect much though. If you want fast and efficient sign removal done across and by the County, you will have to pay more taxes. Got that? More taxes. Or you can register with the Adopt-A-Highway program and pull them all by yourself. Not expecting that kind of effort from any squishy, smarmy right-wing soft-asses though. That would be more of a rugged tree-hugger libby sort of thing to do.

703.Lifer Wrote:
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> Despite recent legislative changes...shit ain't
> gonna' change, Brian. We have laws on the books
> regarding occupancy of residential domiciles which
> are not enforced either...result? Many, many perfectly
> good middle-income neighborhoods up through 1994 that
> have now been ruined by 10+ people living in a house
> built for 6. They park too many cars and they don't
> cut their grass.

That's for sure! Lazy ass goober hillbillies are a plague! They just sit on the front porch all day drinkin' beer, chewin' tobbacky, listenin' to Rush Limbaugh, and talkin' about the next NASCAR race. Cars up on blocks, grass up to your knees. Who in their right mind would ever want to live in a neighborhood like that! These rednecks are a blight on the community! Something needs to be done!

I wish I had the power to force these folks to not put up signs in the medians. I don't. But I can remind the campaigns not to do it, and you guys can keep the pressure on by calling the campaigns doing it and urging them not to do it.

There's both state law and a Fairfax ordinance against it, and the county will assist in removing signs illegal in the median, but it's very difficult to enforce.

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> I wish I had the power to force these folks to not
> put up signs in the medians. I don't. But I can
> remind the campaigns not to do it, and you guys
> can keep the pressure on by calling the campaigns
> doing it and urging them not to do it.
>
> There's both state law and a Fairfax ordinance
> against it, and the county will assist in removing
> signs illegal in the median, but it's very
> difficult to enforce.

In other words, everything I posted is correct and you're just an impotent mumbling goober who is way over-taken by himself.

Everything you posted is correct, and I'm still Secretary of the Electoral Board so I do have at least some influence over these campaigns and I will use what I've got.

I don't mumble.

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> Everything you posted is correct, and I'm still
> Secretary of the Electoral Board so I do have at
> least some influence over these campaigns and I
> will use what I've got.

You have no influence, Brian. You serve in an administrative position for a backwater board that nobody actually cares about.

> I don't mumble.

ON FFXU, you do.

What is the difference between a county and state ordinance anyway? I collect dolls.

Actually... Wrote:
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> BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You just reported it.
> >
> > I will be reminding campaigns on Wednesday at
> the
> > next Electoral Board meeting about the County
> > ordinance. We've gotten complaints about a
> variety
> > of candidates on both sides of the aisle.
>
> It's a STATE law, dummy (Va. Code Ann. §
> 33.1-373). The County assists VDOT by using
> available Sheriff's Office Community Labor Force
> workers (i.e., chaingangs) to pull median and
> other illegal signage weekly on Tuesdays,
> Wednesdays, and Thursdays. They follow regular
> schedules and do not respond to citizen
> complaints. Route-1 is one of dozens of major
> roadways included in the official sign-pulling
> effort. Don't expect much though. If you want
> fast and efficient sign removal done across and by
> the County, you will have to pay more taxes. Got
> that? More taxes. Or you can register with the
> Adopt-A-Highway program and pull them all by
> yourself. Not expecting that kind of effort from
> any squishy, smarmy right-wing soft-asses though.
> That would be more of a rugged tree-hugger libby
> sort of thing to do.


You're a fucking moron. On this thread and every other. Chain gangs don't get paid. So no additional taxes.

Please, put plastic bag over your head and tie it tight.

Actually... Wrote:
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> BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Everything you posted is correct, and I'm still
> > Secretary of the Electoral Board so I do have
> at
> > least some influence over these campaigns and I
> > will use what I've got.
>
> You have no influence, Brian. You serve in an
> administrative position for a backwater board that
> nobody actually cares about.
>
> > I don't mumble.
>
> ON FFXU, you do.

It's an appointed position on the Board of the largest jurisdiction of Virginia. Our office has more staff than the State Board of Elections and people do care what we do. And for someone who doesn't matter, you do seem to enjoy following me from thread to thread. Thanks for the attention.

There's a county agreement with VDOT, after the loophole that existed in state law was closed thanks to Delegate Albo.

Actually... Wrote:
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> What is the difference between a county and state
> ordinance anyway? I collect dolls.

You should have looked into brains instead.

Gerry's kids Wrote:
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> You're a fucking moron. On this thread and every
> other. Chain gangs don't get paid. So no additional
> taxes. Please, put plastic bag over your head and
> tie it tight.

Explanation for mindless goobers...

The Sheriff's Office Community Labor Force is not large or dependable enough to get around to all of the covered "major" highways. If you want more and faster removal of illegal signage, you are going to have to do it yourself or PAY for it.

Even complete idiots should be able to understand that. Why am I guessing that you won't?

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> It's an appointed position on the Board of the
> largest jurisdiction of Virginia. Our office has
> more staff than the State Board of Elections and
> people do care what we do.

La-di-da. Nobody cares. It's a backwater admin operation.

> And for someone who doesn't matter, you do seem to
> enjoy following me from thread to thread. Thanks
> for the attention.

I'd rather not, but when you keep misleading people with right-wing smarm and innuendo, you leave well-informed rationalists who happen by very little choice.

> There's a county agreement with VDOT, after the
> loophole that existed in state law was closed
> thanks to Delegate Albo.

Yes. I described the effects of that above. Three days a week, they pick out a few of the more trustworthy inmates to go off on a day-trip to remove illegal signs. It will be years before they complete the task at this rate, and that's assuming that no new illegal signage is put up in the meantime.

Is it illegal to remove the signs oneself?

If they are illegal in the first place, then I do not see any problem - as long as I do not break any traffic laws etc...

Actually... Wrote:

> I'd rather not, but when you keep misleading
> people with right-wing smarm and innuendo, you
> leave well-informed rationalists who happen by
> very little choice.

There's always a choice. But I appreciate you being so concerned that my smarm and innuendo may influence folks that you turn people off with your condescension and name-calling. And I get a kick out of it.

> Yes. I described the effects of that above.
> Three days a week, they pick out a few of the more
> trustworthy inmates to go off on a day-trip to
> remove illegal signs. It will be years before
> they complete the task at this rate, and that's
> assuming that no new illegal signage is put up in
> the meantime.

Not really. There aren't that many signs up. Most campaigns have abandoned this tactic as a waste of money and it simply angers voters. Those that still do it tend to get a backlash.

The worst days of 2011, with thousands of signs crowding every median are over.

>Is it illegal to remove the signs oneself?

>If they are illegal in the first place, then I do not see any problem - as long >as I do not break any traffic laws etc...

Regardless of whether it's illegal, I wouldn't suggest you do it.

Here's what we advise candidates:

Candidates who wish to post political signs within Fairfax County prior to Election Day should comply with State law, County ordinances, Chapter 9.5 of VA Code Section 24.2 (AKA “Stand by Your Ad”), and the Virginia Department of Transportation (VDOT) regulations.

The Fairfax County website addressing political signs is online at http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/code/signs/ , and the zoning ordinance is online at http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpz/zoningordinance.

Article 12 of the Fairfax County Zoning Ordinance sets restrictions on the shape, size, and placement of campaign signs. Key provisions include the following from Article 12:

L. Temporary political campaign signs may be permitted off-site in any district subject to the following conditions:

(1) No one such sign shall exceed thirty-two (32) square feet in area, and no freestanding sign shall exceed eight (8) feet in height.
(2) One (1) sign permit shall be required for all temporary political campaign signs for each candidate or organization.
(3) [Not applicable to political signs]
(4) The sign permit number assigned to the applicant shall be affixed in the lower right hand corner of each sign.
(5) No signs shall be erected for more than seventy-five (75) days prior to the nomination, election or referendum which they purport to advertise.
(6) All signs shall be removed within fifteen (15) days after the nomination, election or referendum.
(7) Nothing in this provision shall be construed to authorize the posting of political campaign signs upon trees, utility poles, traffic control signs, lights or devices, or in any place or manner prohibited by the provisions of this Article.

For signs posted within Fairfax County, a sign permit and fee (provision L(3) above) are no longer required, but candidates are honor bound to comply with the rest of the provisions. All signs must be removed within 15 days after the election.

The Commonwealth Transportation Commissioner is responsible for enforcing Va. Code § 33.1-373 which prohibits outdoor signage along the state's right of way with exceptions for signs in emergency situations and the Commission's own traffic signs. Among other things, the statute assesses a $100 penalty, per sign, for election signs within the right of way. For more details, see http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?000+cod+33.1-373 By state law signs cannot be affixed to any of the following in the right of way:
• Rock or stone, tree or stump
• Fence, pole, mile-board or milestone
• Danger-sign, guide-sign, guidepost, highway sign, historical markers
• Building
• Any other object within the state's right of way.

On Election Day, campaigns and organizations may post signs on polling place property outside the 40-foot restricted area as long as the signs are not placed on utility poles or traffic signs or in locations that may block the view of drivers at intersections or obstruct walkways surrounding the entrance to the polling place. Whether signs or posters can be placed outside of the prohibited area may also be subject to local ordinance or the management policies of the property. Some polling places are private property and may not allow the placement of sign posts on the lawn. All campaign signs MUST be removed from the polling places by 11:59 p.m., June 10, 2014.

The Office of Elections has no authority regarding illegal or disappearing signs. See http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/code/signs/ for information on filing sign complaints.

Has Bill's house been foreclosed on yet? And to think people entrust that fudge smuggler with tax funds. Crazy.