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The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
TDK6P
()
Date: February 21, 2019 04:10PM
If they come here and can't make any money, they go home, and others don't come.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Blue-America
()
Date: February 21, 2019 04:14PM
The GOP soy boys should put blame on Trump.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
to libtardz fact R like unicorns
()
Date: February 21, 2019 04:19PM
Maybe we can continue bring in millions of unskilled uneducated labor, then bitch about low wages in the service and construction industries
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
HR manager
()
Date: February 21, 2019 04:30PM
We try to recruit cooks and busboys. We hire the applicants who show up and have what appear to be valid papers.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
and there's the problem
()
Date: February 21, 2019 04:37PM
rather than use EVerify, some employers look the other way when José's papers don't match and he comes back two months later with papers that say his name is now Jésus
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
FIFY
()
Date: February 21, 2019 04:38PM
HR manager Wrote:
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> We try to recruit cooks and busboys. We hire the
> applicants who show up and have what appear to be
> valid papers which we know are fake.
^ FIFY
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> We try to recruit cooks and busboys. We hire the
> applicants who show up and have what appear to be
> valid papers which we know are fake.
^ FIFY
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
landlord
()
Date: February 21, 2019 04:41PM
Without illegals I could not afford to maintain my rental properties in Manassas. Illegals do most of the maintenance work on the cheap. They make good renters too.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
The law is the law
()
Date: February 21, 2019 04:50PM
FIFY Wrote:
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> HR manager Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > We try to recruit cooks and busboys. We hire the
> > applicants who show up and have what appear to be
> > valid papers which we know Emma’s does are fake.
> ^ FIFY
Aside from your being a consummate ASSHOLE, the law does not ask us to be determiners of fact. If papers look okay, that’s it.
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> HR manager Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > We try to recruit cooks and busboys. We hire the
> > applicants who show up and have what appear to be
> > valid papers which we know Emma’s does are fake.
> ^ FIFY
Aside from your being a consummate ASSHOLE, the law does not ask us to be determiners of fact. If papers look okay, that’s it.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
you are part of the problem
()
Date: February 21, 2019 05:17PM
The law is the law Wrote:
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> FIFY Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > HR manager Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > > We try to recruit cooks and busboys. We hire
> the
> > > applicants who show up and have what appear to
> be
> > > valid papers which we know Emma’s does are
> fake.
>
> > ^ FIFY
>
> Aside from your being a consummate ASSHOLE, the
> law does not ask us to be determiners of fact. If
> papers look okay, that’s it.
As I noted, you are part of the problem. What other laws do you let slide? Can I take home a few bucks every night from the till too? Why not?
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> FIFY Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > HR manager Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > > We try to recruit cooks and busboys. We hire
> the
> > > applicants who show up and have what appear to
> be
> > > valid papers which we know Emma’s does are
> fake.
>
> > ^ FIFY
>
> Aside from your being a consummate ASSHOLE, the
> law does not ask us to be determiners of fact. If
> papers look okay, that’s it.
As I noted, you are part of the problem. What other laws do you let slide? Can I take home a few bucks every night from the till too? Why not?
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
The law is the law
()
Date: February 21, 2019 05:39PM
The law requires me to examine documents establishing an applicant’s right to work. I’m not a documents expert and the Feds don’t expect me to be. They ask that I give a good faith effort to things. That I can do.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Who the fuck is Emma?
()
Date: February 21, 2019 06:40PM
The law is the law Wrote:
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> FIFY Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > HR manager Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > > We try to recruit cooks and busboys. We hire
> the
> > > applicants who show up and have what appear to
> be
> > > valid papers which we know Emma’s does are
> fake.
>
> > ^ FIFY
>
> Aside from your being a consummate ASSHOLE, the
> law does not ask us to be determiners of fact. If
> papers look okay, that’s it.
False. The law requires you to attest and on a continuing basis maintain that to the best of your knowledge the documents are genuine AND that the employee is authorized to work. That includes not only actual knowledge but also constructive knowledge. i.e., Conscious disregard, avoidance of reasonable diligence, deliberate ignorance, classifying individuals as independent contractors in avoidance of authorization requirements, etc., aka “what you should have known.”
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> FIFY Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > HR manager Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > > We try to recruit cooks and busboys. We hire
> the
> > > applicants who show up and have what appear to
> be
> > > valid papers which we know Emma’s does are
> fake.
>
> > ^ FIFY
>
> Aside from your being a consummate ASSHOLE, the
> law does not ask us to be determiners of fact. If
> papers look okay, that’s it.
False. The law requires you to attest and on a continuing basis maintain that to the best of your knowledge the documents are genuine AND that the employee is authorized to work. That includes not only actual knowledge but also constructive knowledge. i.e., Conscious disregard, avoidance of reasonable diligence, deliberate ignorance, classifying individuals as independent contractors in avoidance of authorization requirements, etc., aka “what you should have known.”
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
The law is the law
()
Date: February 21, 2019 07:32PM
You are full of presumptive bullshit. The law is not. I have lots and lots of lovely I-9’s just waiting for examination if any are ever asked for. That fulfills my obligation.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
WTNBY
()
Date: February 21, 2019 08:39PM
HR manager Wrote:
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> We try to recruit cooks and busboys. We hire the
> applicants who show up and have what appear to be
> valid papers.
And because we are offering %7.00/hr, part time, no benefits, we only get illegal immigrants applying.
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> We try to recruit cooks and busboys. We hire the
> applicants who show up and have what appear to be
> valid papers.
And because we are offering %7.00/hr, part time, no benefits, we only get illegal immigrants applying.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
you are part of the problem
()
Date: February 21, 2019 08:52PM
The law is the law Wrote:
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> You are full of presumptive bullshit. The law is
> not. I have lots and lots of lovely I-9’s just
> waiting for examination if any are ever asked for.
> That fulfills my obligation.
I worked for a jackass like you once. He refused to use E Verify because he didn't want to be "on the map". As someone else said, you are part of the problem.
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> You are full of presumptive bullshit. The law is
> not. I have lots and lots of lovely I-9’s just
> waiting for examination if any are ever asked for.
> That fulfills my obligation.
I worked for a jackass like you once. He refused to use E Verify because he didn't want to be "on the map". As someone else said, you are part of the problem.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
8 CFR § 274a(1)(l)(1)
()
Date: February 21, 2019 08:57PM
The law is the law Wrote:
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> You are full of presumptive bullshit. The law is
> not. I have lots and lots of lovely I-9’s just
> waiting for examination if any are ever asked for.
> That fulfills my obligation.
False and no presumption involved when stated explicitly in the law.
You obviously haven't really done any hiring; otherwise, you'd know basic things like this.
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> You are full of presumptive bullshit. The law is
> not. I have lots and lots of lovely I-9’s just
> waiting for examination if any are ever asked for.
> That fulfills my obligation.
False and no presumption involved when stated explicitly in the law.
Quote
(1) The term knowing includes not only actual knowledge but also knowledge which may fairly be inferred through notice of certain facts and circumstances which would lead a person, through the exercise of reasonable care, to know about a certain condition. Constructive knowledge may include, but is not limited to, situations where an employer:
(i) Fails to complete or improperly completes the Employment Eligibility Verification Form, I-9;
(ii) Has information available to it that would indicate that the alien is not authorized to work; or
(iii) Acts with reckless and wanton disregard for the legal consequences of permitting another individual to introduce an unauthorized alien into its work force or to act on its behalf.
You obviously haven't really done any hiring; otherwise, you'd know basic things like this.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Do as Trump does
()
Date: February 21, 2019 09:07PM
Trump and his family hired illegal aliens and they knew about.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Troooph
()
Date: February 21, 2019 09:17PM
landlord Wrote:
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> Without illegals I could not afford to maintain my
> rental properties in Manassas. Illegals do most of
> the maintenance work on the cheap. They make good
> renters too.
Enriching yourself by breaking the law is not a justification for breaking the law. You are no better than a gangster, a mafioso, or a drug dealer. You are a total, 100% pure, scumbag.
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> Without illegals I could not afford to maintain my
> rental properties in Manassas. Illegals do most of
> the maintenance work on the cheap. They make good
> renters too.
Enriching yourself by breaking the law is not a justification for breaking the law. You are no better than a gangster, a mafioso, or a drug dealer. You are a total, 100% pure, scumbag.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
nigger level intelligence
()
Date: February 21, 2019 09:39PM
You guys are arguing about nothing.
It's nothing because the gov't is never going to enforce this shit. They can't even convince the public that the fucking illegals should be stopped from coming here...so to deny them a job once they are here is WAAAYYYY beyond any of the shit that is happening today.
E-Verify hasn't been used since before gerry got laid last.
It's nothing because the gov't is never going to enforce this shit. They can't even convince the public that the fucking illegals should be stopped from coming here...so to deny them a job once they are here is WAAAYYYY beyond any of the shit that is happening today.
E-Verify hasn't been used since before gerry got laid last.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
When You're Right, You're Right
()
Date: February 21, 2019 10:17PM
nigger level intelligence Wrote:
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> You guys are arguing about nothing.
>
> It's nothing because the gov't is never going to
> enforce this shit. They can't even convince the
> public that the fucking illegals should be stopped
> from coming here...so to deny them a job once they
> are here is WAAAYYYY beyond any of the shit that
> is happening today.
>
> E-Verify hasn't been used since before gerry got
> laid last.
You make some fucking strong points.
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> You guys are arguing about nothing.
>
> It's nothing because the gov't is never going to
> enforce this shit. They can't even convince the
> public that the fucking illegals should be stopped
> from coming here...so to deny them a job once they
> are here is WAAAYYYY beyond any of the shit that
> is happening today.
>
> E-Verify hasn't been used since before gerry got
> laid last.
You make some fucking strong points.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
absent
()
Date: February 21, 2019 11:44PM
If it is a crime to Hire illegals, Why do I rarely hear news stories of employers getting raided & companies getting charged & convicted & fined.
Don't many of the Illegals work in the construction field?
Don't many of the Illegals work in the construction field?
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
WEJPD
()
Date: February 21, 2019 11:46PM
^^^ too stupid to use google
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Pentuple Dump Champion
()
Date: February 22, 2019 10:19AM
absent Wrote:
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> If it is a crime to Hire illegals, Why do I rarely
> hear news stories of employers getting raided &
> companies getting charged & convicted & fined.
>
> Don't many of the Illegals work in the
> construction field?
You should understand that we have many "laws" that congress only passed to appear as if they are doing something. Many of these laws are routinely ignored by authorities (immigration) or simply not funded - so there's no enforcement.
With regard to E-Verify, they passed a law but when the media starts asking questions everyone in the chain of authority points to someone else as having responsibility for actual enforcement.
Once in a great while if someone complains very publicly or it's hugely egregious - or there's a personal angle - you see a small raid and a few illegals are rounded up and processed, but it's really rare given the amount of activity out there. Businesses have been given the wink and nod that it's ok to just take a glance at whatever docs they get.
As it stands today, there is almost zero incentive for any business to follow this law. Stated another way...no punishment for violating the law regularly.
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> If it is a crime to Hire illegals, Why do I rarely
> hear news stories of employers getting raided &
> companies getting charged & convicted & fined.
>
> Don't many of the Illegals work in the
> construction field?
You should understand that we have many "laws" that congress only passed to appear as if they are doing something. Many of these laws are routinely ignored by authorities (immigration) or simply not funded - so there's no enforcement.
With regard to E-Verify, they passed a law but when the media starts asking questions everyone in the chain of authority points to someone else as having responsibility for actual enforcement.
Once in a great while if someone complains very publicly or it's hugely egregious - or there's a personal angle - you see a small raid and a few illegals are rounded up and processed, but it's really rare given the amount of activity out there. Businesses have been given the wink and nod that it's ok to just take a glance at whatever docs they get.
As it stands today, there is almost zero incentive for any business to follow this law. Stated another way...no punishment for violating the law regularly.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
the real deal2
()
Date: February 23, 2019 09:32AM
nigger level intelligence Wrote:
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> You guys are arguing about nothing.
>
> It's nothing because the gov't is never going to
> enforce this shit. They can't even convince the
> public that the fucking illegals should be stopped
> from coming here...so to deny them a job once they
> are here is WAAAYYYY beyond any of the shit that
> is happening today.
>
> E-Verify hasn't been used since before gerry got
> laid last.
We only need to enforce the laws on the Illegals that are truly criminals and that is about 8% of them. The vast majority of Illegals are a benefit to this country and we need them more than they need us.
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> You guys are arguing about nothing.
>
> It's nothing because the gov't is never going to
> enforce this shit. They can't even convince the
> public that the fucking illegals should be stopped
> from coming here...so to deny them a job once they
> are here is WAAAYYYY beyond any of the shit that
> is happening today.
>
> E-Verify hasn't been used since before gerry got
> laid last.
We only need to enforce the laws on the Illegals that are truly criminals and that is about 8% of them. The vast majority of Illegals are a benefit to this country and we need them more than they need us.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Hey Cock Choke
()
Date: February 23, 2019 10:15AM
The law is the law Wrote:
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> FIFY Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > HR manager Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > > We try to recruit cooks and busboys. We hire
> the
> > > applicants who show up and have what appear to
> be
> > > valid papers which we know Emma’s does are
> fake.
>
> > ^ FIFY
>
> Aside from your being a consummate ASSHOLE, the
> law does not ask us to be determiners of fact. If
> papers look okay, that’s it.
It's attitudes like your that are ruining America. You're no different than Trump. Fuck you. Post the address of your shit hole establishment so I can send ICE and the health department your way.
Attachments:
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> FIFY Wrote:
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> > HR manager Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > > We try to recruit cooks and busboys. We hire
> the
> > > applicants who show up and have what appear to
> be
> > > valid papers which we know Emma’s does are
> fake.
>
> > ^ FIFY
>
> Aside from your being a consummate ASSHOLE, the
> law does not ask us to be determiners of fact. If
> papers look okay, that’s it.
It's attitudes like your that are ruining America. You're no different than Trump. Fuck you. Post the address of your shit hole establishment so I can send ICE and the health department your way.
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Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
The law is the law
()
Date: February 23, 2019 11:16AM
Pentuple Dump Champion Wrote:
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> As it stands today, there is almost zero incentive for any business
> to follow this law. Stated another way...no punishment for violating
> the law regularly.
I laugh at how far out of the loop you people are. If you ever ran a business that had any intention of remaining in existence and earning a positive reputation within the community, you would know by now that following as best you can the strict letter of the law is the only sensible way to go. The last thing you want is your name in the news over visits from ICE or the IRS, so you do the best you can to fall in line and stay on the good side of those folks. This includes accepting only papers that you can confidently defend once they are filed away with an I-9.
If you're Trump, apparently you just tell people with obviously fake ID to go out and get better fakes than that. That's not the way it works at most places.
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> As it stands today, there is almost zero incentive for any business
> to follow this law. Stated another way...no punishment for violating
> the law regularly.
I laugh at how far out of the loop you people are. If you ever ran a business that had any intention of remaining in existence and earning a positive reputation within the community, you would know by now that following as best you can the strict letter of the law is the only sensible way to go. The last thing you want is your name in the news over visits from ICE or the IRS, so you do the best you can to fall in line and stay on the good side of those folks. This includes accepting only papers that you can confidently defend once they are filed away with an I-9.
If you're Trump, apparently you just tell people with obviously fake ID to go out and get better fakes than that. That's not the way it works at most places.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
The law is the law
()
Date: February 23, 2019 11:24AM
you are part of the problem Wrote:
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> I worked for a jackass like you once. He refused
> to use E Verify because he didn't want to be "on
> the map". As someone else said, you are part of
> the problem.
LOL! I'm "on the map" simply by being incorporated, and having a business license, a health inspection record, zoning approvals, and an employer identification number. I'd bet that you lack all those things along with a high school diploma.
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> I worked for a jackass like you once. He refused
> to use E Verify because he didn't want to be "on
> the map". As someone else said, you are part of
> the problem.
LOL! I'm "on the map" simply by being incorporated, and having a business license, a health inspection record, zoning approvals, and an employer identification number. I'd bet that you lack all those things along with a high school diploma.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
The law is the law
()
Date: February 23, 2019 11:30AM
8 CFR § 274a(1)(l)(1) Wrote:
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> You obviously haven't really done any hiring; otherwise,
> you'd know basic things like this.
Every business owner knows 'things like this' before he first opens the doors. The question is over what needs to be done to first open and then to remain open, and you plainly don't know the answer to that.
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> You obviously haven't really done any hiring; otherwise,
> you'd know basic things like this.
Every business owner knows 'things like this' before he first opens the doors. The question is over what needs to be done to first open and then to remain open, and you plainly don't know the answer to that.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Fuck Cleveland spam guy
()
Date: February 24, 2019 07:35AM
Amazing number of posers and one guy who knows what he's talking about.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
jack shit
()
Date: February 25, 2019 07:55AM
Businesses can't compete with competitors that hire illegals. To follow this law is like doing exactly 55mph on every road with that as the speed limit. You are an idiot and impeding everyone else. The gov't will let us know if this law will ever matter - as for now, it doesn't.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
In the real world...
()
Date: February 25, 2019 08:13AM
Nobody can tell who the illegals are. Just from any reasonable amount of effort, you can't tell them from the legals. This leaves all employers paddling along in the very same boat. You do the best you can, but you know it's unlikely that you got every call right. Outsiders like you are meanwhile stuck in the "good-guy, bad-guy" world of a five-year old, but that's not at all the way the world actually operates.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
in the actual real world
()
Date: February 25, 2019 08:29AM
When José's I-9 gets rejected because the name and number don't match, keeping in mind these are the same name and number José has been using for three consecutive years. José then disappears for six months, comes back to reapply for his job and insists everyone now call him Carlos.... that's called a clue
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
You're clueless
()
Date: February 25, 2019 08:48AM
in the actual real world Wrote:
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> When José's I-9 gets rejected because the name
> and number don't match, keeping in mind these are
> the same name and number José has been using for
> three consecutive years. José then disappears for
> six months, comes back to reapply for his job and
> insists everyone now call him Carlos.... that's
> called a clue
Rejected? I-9's are retained by the employer for three years after an employee is hired or one year after an employee departs.
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> When José's I-9 gets rejected because the name
> and number don't match, keeping in mind these are
> the same name and number José has been using for
> three consecutive years. José then disappears for
> six months, comes back to reapply for his job and
> insists everyone now call him Carlos.... that's
> called a clue
Rejected? I-9's are retained by the employer for three years after an employee is hired or one year after an employee departs.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
LOL...
()
Date: February 25, 2019 09:54AM
These dopes don't know how anything works.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Don't you know...
()
Date: February 25, 2019 12:09PM
LOL... Wrote:
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> These dopes don't know how anything works.
True for a lot more than just this thread. The extents of the completely stupid scale are broad indeed!
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> These dopes don't know how anything works.
True for a lot more than just this thread. The extents of the completely stupid scale are broad indeed!
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
cpbn9
()
Date: February 25, 2019 12:24PM
The companies in Fairfax that began using ILLEGAL ALIENS instead of trained professional workers were companies owned by democrat politicians and government worker families.
They were not prosecuted because they "were deep state".
There were radio ads in the 1990's that such companies would be prosecuted: but it never happened - no prosecution. Because these politicians corrupted the Fairfax County court which is still corrupt to this day.
BUT THESE SCAMS ARE STILL NOT THE ONLY PROBLEM.
FCPS 6 BILLION A YEAR IS A HUGE PROBLEM - SOME OF WHICH GETS "LOST" AND EVEN SENT TO IRAN TO BUILD MISSILES TO SHOOT AT USA WITH. illegals in fairfax have not a little to do with that.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Say the magic words
()
Date: February 25, 2019 12:28PM
^^^ Speaking of 'Completely Stupid'...
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Asplundh's Willful Blindness
()
Date: February 25, 2019 01:45PM
The law is the law Wrote:
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> 8 CFR § 274a(1)(l)(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You obviously haven't really done any hiring;
> otherwise,
> > you'd know basic things like this.
>
> Every business owner knows 'things like this'
> before he first opens the doors. The question is
> over what needs to be done to first open and then
> to remain open, and you plainly don't know the
> answer to that.
Apparently you don't. But then we all know that you're just a retired old Fed living in Dunn Loring who's talking out of his ass as he always does and who hasn't hired anyone.
You claimed that the only responsibility of an employer is to eyeball what looks to be valid papers. That is false.
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> 8 CFR § 274a(1)(l)(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You obviously haven't really done any hiring;
> otherwise,
> > you'd know basic things like this.
>
> Every business owner knows 'things like this'
> before he first opens the doors. The question is
> over what needs to be done to first open and then
> to remain open, and you plainly don't know the
> answer to that.
Apparently you don't. But then we all know that you're just a retired old Fed living in Dunn Loring who's talking out of his ass as he always does and who hasn't hired anyone.
You claimed that the only responsibility of an employer is to eyeball what looks to be valid papers. That is false.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
And...
()
Date: February 25, 2019 01:46PM
Don't you know... Wrote:
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> LOL... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > These dopes don't know how anything works.
>
> True for a lot more than just this thread. The
> extents of the completely stupid scale are broad
> indeed!
Stop talking to yourself you fucking idiot. lol
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> LOL... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > These dopes don't know how anything works.
>
> True for a lot more than just this thread. The
> extents of the completely stupid scale are broad
> indeed!
Stop talking to yourself you fucking idiot. lol
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
The law is the law
()
Date: February 25, 2019 01:58PM
It’s fact, not falsehood. So is a statement that you are just another random goober douche-fart. An I-9 documents that a business did its due diligence in assessing whether an applicant had eligibility to work here. As you wouldn’t know, that’s what the law asks for.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Trimming your bullshit
()
Date: February 25, 2019 02:12PM
The law is the law Wrote:
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> It’s fact, not falsehood. So is a statement that
> you are just another random goober douche-fart.
> An I-9 documents that a business did its due
> diligence in assessing whether an applicant had
> eligibility to work here. As you wouldn’t know,
> that’s what the law asks for.
I gave you the direct reference to the law which clearly shows that it's false.
Such 'willful blindness' cost Asplundh $95 million.
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> It’s fact, not falsehood. So is a statement that
> you are just another random goober douche-fart.
> An I-9 documents that a business did its due
> diligence in assessing whether an applicant had
> eligibility to work here. As you wouldn’t know,
> that’s what the law asks for.
I gave you the direct reference to the law which clearly shows that it's false.
Such 'willful blindness' cost Asplundh $95 million.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
The law is the law
()
Date: February 25, 2019 03:12PM
You don’t understand big words. You should focus on smaller ones like ‘good faith.’ Phase-2: Employers are not agents of ICE.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
BS Called
()
Date: February 25, 2019 03:29PM
The law is the law Wrote:
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> You don’t understand big words. You should
> focus on smaller ones like ‘good faith.’
> Phase-2: Employers are not agents of ICE.
You don't understand that your bullshit about simply requiring what look to be valid I-9s on file being the extent of the law is very obviously wrong.
And trying to bullshit that you do any hiring and have any I-9s to begin with when we all know that you're just an old retired Fed living on a pension in Dunn Loring who spends his days here pretending to be things that he's not puts a nice fine point on it.
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> You don’t understand big words. You should
> focus on smaller ones like ‘good faith.’
> Phase-2: Employers are not agents of ICE.
You don't understand that your bullshit about simply requiring what look to be valid I-9s on file being the extent of the law is very obviously wrong.
And trying to bullshit that you do any hiring and have any I-9s to begin with when we all know that you're just an old retired Fed living on a pension in Dunn Loring who spends his days here pretending to be things that he's not puts a nice fine point on it.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
The law is the law
()
Date: February 25, 2019 03:34PM
The law id the law and the facts are the facts. You don't have any sort of grasp of either one.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
8 CFR § 274a(1)(l)(1)
()
Date: February 25, 2019 04:19PM
We already went over that old man.
This is the law and that's the fact.
This is the law and that's the fact.
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8 CFR § 274a(1)(l)(1) ()
Date: February 21, 2019 08:57PM
The law is the law Wrote:
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> You are full of presumptive bullshit. The law is
> not. I have lots and lots of lovely I-9’s just
> waiting for examination if any are ever asked for.
> That fulfills my obligation.
False and no presumption involved when stated explicitly in the law.
Quote
(1) The term knowing includes not only actual knowledge but also knowledge which may fairly be inferred through notice of certain facts and circumstances which would lead a person, through the exercise of reasonable care, to know about a certain condition. Constructive knowledge may include, but is not limited to, situations where an employer:
(i) Fails to complete or improperly completes the Employment Eligibility Verification Form, I-9;
(ii) Has information available to it that would indicate that the alien is not authorized to work; or
(iii) Acts with reckless and wanton disregard for the legal consequences of permitting another individual to introduce an unauthorized alien into its work force or to act on its behalf.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
The law is the law
()
Date: February 25, 2019 04:30PM
Plainly, copying and pasting words is much easier for you than actually understanding them.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Hawkeye Pierce
()
Date: February 25, 2019 05:05PM
You retards might as well be arguing about the law on Wakanda.
Who gives a fuck what the law says. There is no enforcement of the law and employers clearly don't give a fuck.
Who gives a fuck what the law says. There is no enforcement of the law and employers clearly don't give a fuck.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Laying low
()
Date: February 25, 2019 05:20PM
For a serious business, the name of the game is CYA. You do everything you can to stay on the good side of the law. That much should be obvious.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Clarity
()
Date: February 25, 2019 05:31PM
The law is the law Wrote:
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> Plainly, copying and pasting words is much easier
> for you than actually understanding them.
The law is clear. As Asplundh's $95 million fine for willful blindness independent of any I-9s demonstrates.
What's also clear is your standard bullshit attempt to pass yourself off as being something that you're not and knowing what you're talking about.
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> Plainly, copying and pasting words is much easier
> for you than actually understanding them.
The law is clear. As Asplundh's $95 million fine for willful blindness independent of any I-9s demonstrates.
What's also clear is your standard bullshit attempt to pass yourself off as being something that you're not and knowing what you're talking about.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
More Clarity
()
Date: February 25, 2019 05:33PM
Hawkeye Pierce Wrote:
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> You retards might as well be arguing about the law
> on Wakanda.
>
> Who gives a fuck what the law says. There is no
> enforcement of the law and employers clearly don't
> give a fuck.
This is true. Enforcement has been very weak.
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> You retards might as well be arguing about the law
> on Wakanda.
>
> Who gives a fuck what the law says. There is no
> enforcement of the law and employers clearly don't
> give a fuck.
This is true. Enforcement has been very weak.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
The law is the law
()
Date: February 25, 2019 08:11PM
Clarity Wrote:
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> The law is clear. As Asplundh's $95 million fine for willful
> blindness independent of any I-9s demonstrates.
What's clear is that you are one sick puppy. Asplundh is a large company that pleaded guilty to planning and directing massive schemes to fraudulently hire and rehire KNOWN illegal workers. These schemes included payment of bonuses to in-house recruiters who were able to find and enlist known illegals.
This is NOTHING AT ALL like the situation of a small business trying to staff up on the basis of good faith efforts in review of documents presented by applicants. Even a moron should have recognized that right off the bat.
> What's also clear is your standard bullshit attempt to pass
> yourself off as being something that you're not and knowing
> what you're talking about.
Hahaha! I understand that facts can be very uncomfortable things for you. So much so that you are apt ultimately to collapse into rages of denial and cognitive dissonance. Suit yourself.
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> The law is clear. As Asplundh's $95 million fine for willful
> blindness independent of any I-9s demonstrates.
What's clear is that you are one sick puppy. Asplundh is a large company that pleaded guilty to planning and directing massive schemes to fraudulently hire and rehire KNOWN illegal workers. These schemes included payment of bonuses to in-house recruiters who were able to find and enlist known illegals.
This is NOTHING AT ALL like the situation of a small business trying to staff up on the basis of good faith efforts in review of documents presented by applicants. Even a moron should have recognized that right off the bat.
> What's also clear is your standard bullshit attempt to pass
> yourself off as being something that you're not and knowing
> what you're talking about.
Hahaha! I understand that facts can be very uncomfortable things for you. So much so that you are apt ultimately to collapse into rages of denial and cognitive dissonance. Suit yourself.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Yourmastercard
()
Date: February 25, 2019 08:46PM
The law is the law Wrote:
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> Clarity Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The law is clear. As Asplundh's $95 million fine
> for willful
> > blindness independent of any I-9s demonstrates.
>
>
> What's clear is that you are one sick puppy.
> Asplundh is a large company that pleaded guilty to
> planning and directing massive schemes to
> fraudulently hire and rehire KNOWN illegal
> workers. These schemes included payment of
> bonuses to in-house recruiters who were able to
> find and enlist known illegals.
>
> This is NOTHING AT ALL like the situation of a
> small business trying to staff up on the basis of
> good faith efforts in review of documents
> presented by applicants. Even a moron should have
> recognized that right off the bat.
>
> > What's also clear is your standard bullshit
> attempt to pass
> > yourself off as being something that you're not
> and knowing
> > what you're talking about.
>
> Hahaha! I understand that facts can be very
> uncomfortable things for you. So much so that you
> are apt ultimately to collapse into rages of
> denial and cognitive dissonance. Suit yourself.
Cost of constructive knowledge and willful blindness in violating the law to Asplundh - $95 million.
Busting your dumb ass pretending to hire and have I-9s on file when you're actually an old retired Fed living on a pension in a 50s-construction rambler in Dunn Loring who knows nothing - Priceless.
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> Clarity Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The law is clear. As Asplundh's $95 million fine
> for willful
> > blindness independent of any I-9s demonstrates.
>
>
> What's clear is that you are one sick puppy.
> Asplundh is a large company that pleaded guilty to
> planning and directing massive schemes to
> fraudulently hire and rehire KNOWN illegal
> workers. These schemes included payment of
> bonuses to in-house recruiters who were able to
> find and enlist known illegals.
>
> This is NOTHING AT ALL like the situation of a
> small business trying to staff up on the basis of
> good faith efforts in review of documents
> presented by applicants. Even a moron should have
> recognized that right off the bat.
>
> > What's also clear is your standard bullshit
> attempt to pass
> > yourself off as being something that you're not
> and knowing
> > what you're talking about.
>
> Hahaha! I understand that facts can be very
> uncomfortable things for you. So much so that you
> are apt ultimately to collapse into rages of
> denial and cognitive dissonance. Suit yourself.
Cost of constructive knowledge and willful blindness in violating the law to Asplundh - $95 million.
Busting your dumb ass pretending to hire and have I-9s on file when you're actually an old retired Fed living on a pension in a 50s-construction rambler in Dunn Loring who knows nothing - Priceless.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
The law is the law
()
Date: February 25, 2019 08:59PM
Spells and incantations are not going to help you. Asplundh is not relevant to the situation of local buinesses seeking to move forward.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Contractor
()
Date: February 25, 2019 09:24PM
I wouldn't hire them except they work hard and there aren't enough fat redneck retards in the trades around Fairfax for me to hire otherwise.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Alzheimer's memory effects
()
Date: February 25, 2019 09:24PM
The law is the law Wrote:
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> Spells and incantations are not going to help you.
> Asplundh is not relevant to the situation of
> local buinesses seeking to move forward.
It's absolutely relevant to your bullshit about an employer's obligation being only to rely on I-9s.
That's what happens when you're actually an old retired Fed living on a pension in a 50s-construction rambler in Dunn Loring who doesn't know WTF he's babbling about.
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> Spells and incantations are not going to help you.
> Asplundh is not relevant to the situation of
> local buinesses seeking to move forward.
It's absolutely relevant to your bullshit about an employer's obligation being only to rely on I-9s.
Quote
Posted by: 8 CFR § 274a(1)(l)(1) ()
Date: February 21, 2019 08:57PM
The law is the law Wrote:
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> You are full of presumptive bullshit. The law is
> not. I have lots and lots of lovely I-9’s just
> waiting for examination if any are ever asked for.
> That fulfills my obligation.
False and no presumption involved when stated explicitly in the law.
Quote
(1) The term knowing includes not only actual knowledge but also knowledge which may fairly be inferred through notice of certain facts and circumstances which would lead a person, through the exercise of reasonable care, to know about a certain condition. Constructive knowledge may include, but is not limited to, situations where an employer:
(i) Fails to complete or improperly completes the Employment Eligibility Verification Form, I-9;
(ii) Has information available to it that would indicate that the alien is not authorized to work; or
(iii) Acts with reckless and wanton disregard for the legal consequences of permitting another individual to introduce an unauthorized alien into its work force or to act on its behalf.
You obviously haven't really done any hiring; otherwise, you'd know basic things like this.
That's what happens when you're actually an old retired Fed living on a pension in a 50s-construction rambler in Dunn Loring who doesn't know WTF he's babbling about.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Lost in space...
()
Date: February 26, 2019 09:11AM
Alzheimer's memory effects Wrote:
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> It's absolutely relevant to your bullshit about an employer's
> obligation being only to rely on I-9s.
Employers PREPARE I-9's. For everyone. These forms document the good faith efforts made to assure that applicants hired were eligible to work here. As an employer, you must keep all I-9s on file for three years, or for one year after an employee has left.
As you somehow failed to notice, the Asplundh case was very different. Rather than trying to comply with the law, their intentions were to violate it wantonly and as often as they could. You don't really seem to have grasped the difference there.
> You obviously haven't really done any hiring;
> otherwise, you'd know basic things like this.
As has been explained several times, every business knows these basics before they ever open the doors. Your THIS however does not at all mean what your cramped and distorted little brain thinks it means. Employers are not expected under law to function as forgery detectives on behalf of ICE. Employers are expected to make good faith efforts to determine that each applicant they hire actually is eligible to work in the US. That's the end of it.
> That's what happens when you're actually an old
> retired Fed living on a pension in a
> 50s-construction rambler in Dunn Loring who
> doesn't know WTF he's babbling about.
Back to your chants and incantations, eh? That's pathetic. Not unlike the rest of your pointless low-grade babble.
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> It's absolutely relevant to your bullshit about an employer's
> obligation being only to rely on I-9s.
Employers PREPARE I-9's. For everyone. These forms document the good faith efforts made to assure that applicants hired were eligible to work here. As an employer, you must keep all I-9s on file for three years, or for one year after an employee has left.
As you somehow failed to notice, the Asplundh case was very different. Rather than trying to comply with the law, their intentions were to violate it wantonly and as often as they could. You don't really seem to have grasped the difference there.
> You obviously haven't really done any hiring;
> otherwise, you'd know basic things like this.
As has been explained several times, every business knows these basics before they ever open the doors. Your THIS however does not at all mean what your cramped and distorted little brain thinks it means. Employers are not expected under law to function as forgery detectives on behalf of ICE. Employers are expected to make good faith efforts to determine that each applicant they hire actually is eligible to work in the US. That's the end of it.
> That's what happens when you're actually an old
> retired Fed living on a pension in a
> 50s-construction rambler in Dunn Loring who
> doesn't know WTF he's babbling about.
Back to your chants and incantations, eh? That's pathetic. Not unlike the rest of your pointless low-grade babble.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
So many words to say so little
()
Date: February 26, 2019 03:04PM
Lost in space... Wrote:
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> Alzheimer's memory effects Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's absolutely relevant to your bullshit about
> an employer's
> > obligation being only to rely on I-9s.
>
> Employers PREPARE I-9's. For everyone. These
> forms document the good faith efforts made to
> assure that applicants hired were eligible to work
> here. As an employer, you must keep all I-9s on
> file for three years, or for one year after an
> employee has left.
Durr. Thanks for the filler. You get no extra points for word count.
>
> As you somehow failed to notice, the Asplundh case
> was very different. Rather than trying to comply
> with the law, their intentions were to violate it
> wantonly and as often as they could. You don't
> really seem to have grasped the difference there.
Which demonstrates that simply having an I-9 in a file alone does not satisfy requirements of the law as you stated. They were tagged specifically for management's "willful blindess" and violations around constructive knowledge as I noted as additional elements of the law above.
> > You obviously haven't really done any hiring;
> > otherwise, you'd know basic things like this.
>
> As has been explained several times, every
> business knows these basics before they ever open
> the doors. Your THIS however does not at all mean
> what your cramped and distorted little brain
> thinks it means. Employers are not expected under
> law to function as forgery detectives on behalf of
> ICE. Employers are expected to make good faith
> efforts to determine that each applicant they hire
> actually is eligible to work in the US. That's
> the end of it.
False (again). An I-9 on a file as you stated is not the full extent of an employer's responsibility under the law. The rest of your babble is irrelevant to obligations independent of and beyond the validity of the documents presented.
>
> > That's what happens when you're actually an old
> > retired Fed living on a pension in a
> > 50s-construction rambler in Dunn Loring who
> > doesn't know WTF he's babbling about.
>
> Back to your chants and incantations, eh? That's
> pathetic. Not unlike the rest of your pointless
> low-grade babble.
Back to trying to bullshit your way through something that you have no experience with.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Alzheimer's memory effects Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's absolutely relevant to your bullshit about
> an employer's
> > obligation being only to rely on I-9s.
>
> Employers PREPARE I-9's. For everyone. These
> forms document the good faith efforts made to
> assure that applicants hired were eligible to work
> here. As an employer, you must keep all I-9s on
> file for three years, or for one year after an
> employee has left.
Durr. Thanks for the filler. You get no extra points for word count.
>
> As you somehow failed to notice, the Asplundh case
> was very different. Rather than trying to comply
> with the law, their intentions were to violate it
> wantonly and as often as they could. You don't
> really seem to have grasped the difference there.
Which demonstrates that simply having an I-9 in a file alone does not satisfy requirements of the law as you stated. They were tagged specifically for management's "willful blindess" and violations around constructive knowledge as I noted as additional elements of the law above.
> > You obviously haven't really done any hiring;
> > otherwise, you'd know basic things like this.
>
> As has been explained several times, every
> business knows these basics before they ever open
> the doors. Your THIS however does not at all mean
> what your cramped and distorted little brain
> thinks it means. Employers are not expected under
> law to function as forgery detectives on behalf of
> ICE. Employers are expected to make good faith
> efforts to determine that each applicant they hire
> actually is eligible to work in the US. That's
> the end of it.
False (again). An I-9 on a file as you stated is not the full extent of an employer's responsibility under the law. The rest of your babble is irrelevant to obligations independent of and beyond the validity of the documents presented.
>
> > That's what happens when you're actually an old
> > retired Fed living on a pension in a
> > 50s-construction rambler in Dunn Loring who
> > doesn't know WTF he's babbling about.
>
> Back to your chants and incantations, eh? That's
> pathetic. Not unlike the rest of your pointless
> low-grade babble.
Back to trying to bullshit your way through something that you have no experience with.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Lost in space
()
Date: February 26, 2019 03:38PM
You seem to get ornery when made to look totally stupid. I-9s are the documentation of an employer’s good faith efforts to assure that his or her employees are eligible to work here. That good faith effort is what the law calls for.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Same old Asshole...
()
Date: February 26, 2019 05:25PM
Lost in space Wrote:
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> You seem to get ornery when made to look totally
> stupid. I-9s are the documentation of an
> employer’s good faith efforts to assure that his
> or her employees are eligible to work here. That
> good faith effort is what the law calls for.
I know that the Alzheimer's makes things foggy but try to focus. Your claim was that eyeballing a passable I-9 was ALL that the law required. As I showed above, that's not the case. Which you now understand but, as typical, you have to try to bullshit your way out by babbling the same irrelevant nonsense over and over in an attempt to avoid conceding that you fucked up. Different day, same bullshit.
-------------------------------------------------------
> You seem to get ornery when made to look totally
> stupid. I-9s are the documentation of an
> employer’s good faith efforts to assure that his
> or her employees are eligible to work here. That
> good faith effort is what the law calls for.
I know that the Alzheimer's makes things foggy but try to focus. Your claim was that eyeballing a passable I-9 was ALL that the law required. As I showed above, that's not the case. Which you now understand but, as typical, you have to try to bullshit your way out by babbling the same irrelevant nonsense over and over in an attempt to avoid conceding that you fucked up. Different day, same bullshit.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Lost in space..,
()
Date: February 26, 2019 05:44PM
Off the mark from start to finish. Must be tough to be that dumb.
Re: The root of the problem - employers who hire illegals
Posted by:
Same as it ever was
()
Date: February 26, 2019 05:48PM
Quote
Posted by: 8 CFR § 274a(1)(l)(1) ()
Date: February 21, 2019 08:57PM
The law is the law Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You are full of presumptive bullshit. The law is
> not. I have lots and lots of lovely I-9’s just
> waiting for examination if any are ever asked for.
> That fulfills my obligation.
False and no presumption involved when stated explicitly in the law.
Quote
(1) The term knowing includes not only actual knowledge but also knowledge which may fairly be inferred through notice of certain facts and circumstances which would lead a person, through the exercise of reasonable care, to know about a certain condition. Constructive knowledge may include, but is not limited to, situations where an employer:
(i) Fails to complete or improperly completes the Employment Eligibility Verification Form, I-9;
(ii) Has information available to it that would indicate that the alien is not authorized to work; or
(iii) Acts with reckless and wanton disregard for the legal consequences of permitting another individual to introduce an unauthorized alien into its work force or to act on its behalf.
You obviously haven't really done any hiring; otherwise, you'd know basic things like this.