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No Parties over the size of 49 people.
Posted by:
Party Boy
()
Date: May 05, 2014 03:00PM
http://watchdog.org/142488/faiirfax-home-assemblies/
By Kenric Ward | Watchdog.org Virginia Bureau
FAIRFAX, Va. – A plan to ban “frequent and large gatherings at neighborhood homes” is a lawsuit waiting to happen, a Fairfax County supervisor predicts.
Officials will get an idea Wednesday when public-comment hearings begin in Virginia’s most populous county.
“I believe the county is risking a lawsuit and/or a constitution challenge by interfering with peoples’ right to assemble,” Supervisor Pat Herrity said in a statement.
The proposed zoning ordinance limits “group assembly” at residences to 49 people a day. Such gatherings “shall not occur more frequently than three times in any 40-day period.”
READ ALSO: This is what happens when you mess with gun owners.
County officials say they have received complaints about group meetings at homes. But Herrity said “they haven’t even reached 1 percent of the thousands of complaints our Department of Code Compliance investigates a year.”
“This is yet another instance where we appear to be punishing the many for the actions of the few,” said Herrity, who reported a total of six complaints were received last year.
Church groups, scouting organizations or even sports fans drawn to a home’s big-screen TV during playoffs could be potential targets of the proposed county law. Realtors worry that even open houses would invite civil penalties.
John Whitehead, an attorney and president of the civil-libertarian Rutherford Institute, calls the Fairfax plan “nefarious.”
“Broad enactments like these have governments assuming that private property is their property,” Whitehead said in an interview with Watchdog.org.
READ ALSO: Gun-grabbers just found a new way to target firearms
“If you can’t determine what goes on at your own residence, you have surrendered your rights. The Constitution is founded on property rights.”
Nevertheless, some courts have upheld aggressive zoning restrictions. In Phoenix, a minister was sentenced to 60 days in jail for conducting Bible study classes with 10 people at a home.
Herrity, who beat back a controversial dance-hall regulation two years ago, said Fairfax County already has several codes that address neighborhood nuisances.
“We should be focusing on dealing with the issues and not restricting groups’ rights to assemble,” he said.
The Board of Supervisors is moving ahead with three public-comment sessions on the staff-drafted ordinance:
Wednesday, May 7, South County Government Center, 8350 Richmond Highway, Alexandria.
Monday, May 12, Fairfax County Government Center, 12000 Government Center Parkway, Fairfax.
Monday, May 19, Lemon Road Elementary School, 7230 Idylwood Road, Falls Church.
All meetings run from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m.
By Kenric Ward | Watchdog.org Virginia Bureau
FAIRFAX, Va. – A plan to ban “frequent and large gatherings at neighborhood homes” is a lawsuit waiting to happen, a Fairfax County supervisor predicts.
Officials will get an idea Wednesday when public-comment hearings begin in Virginia’s most populous county.
“I believe the county is risking a lawsuit and/or a constitution challenge by interfering with peoples’ right to assemble,” Supervisor Pat Herrity said in a statement.
The proposed zoning ordinance limits “group assembly” at residences to 49 people a day. Such gatherings “shall not occur more frequently than three times in any 40-day period.”
READ ALSO: This is what happens when you mess with gun owners.
County officials say they have received complaints about group meetings at homes. But Herrity said “they haven’t even reached 1 percent of the thousands of complaints our Department of Code Compliance investigates a year.”
“This is yet another instance where we appear to be punishing the many for the actions of the few,” said Herrity, who reported a total of six complaints were received last year.
Church groups, scouting organizations or even sports fans drawn to a home’s big-screen TV during playoffs could be potential targets of the proposed county law. Realtors worry that even open houses would invite civil penalties.
John Whitehead, an attorney and president of the civil-libertarian Rutherford Institute, calls the Fairfax plan “nefarious.”
“Broad enactments like these have governments assuming that private property is their property,” Whitehead said in an interview with Watchdog.org.
READ ALSO: Gun-grabbers just found a new way to target firearms
“If you can’t determine what goes on at your own residence, you have surrendered your rights. The Constitution is founded on property rights.”
Nevertheless, some courts have upheld aggressive zoning restrictions. In Phoenix, a minister was sentenced to 60 days in jail for conducting Bible study classes with 10 people at a home.
Herrity, who beat back a controversial dance-hall regulation two years ago, said Fairfax County already has several codes that address neighborhood nuisances.
“We should be focusing on dealing with the issues and not restricting groups’ rights to assemble,” he said.
The Board of Supervisors is moving ahead with three public-comment sessions on the staff-drafted ordinance:
Wednesday, May 7, South County Government Center, 8350 Richmond Highway, Alexandria.
Monday, May 12, Fairfax County Government Center, 12000 Government Center Parkway, Fairfax.
Monday, May 19, Lemon Road Elementary School, 7230 Idylwood Road, Falls Church.
All meetings run from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m.
Re: No Parties over the size of 49 people.
Posted by:
Fruppie
()
Date: May 05, 2014 03:05PM
Party Boy Wrote:
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> http://watchdog.org/142488/faiirfax-home-assemblie
> s/
> By Kenric Ward | Watchdog.org Virginia Bureau
>
> FAIRFAX, Va. – A plan to ban “frequent and
> large gatherings at neighborhood homes” is a
> lawsuit waiting to happen, a Fairfax County
> supervisor predicts.
>
> Officials will get an idea Wednesday when
> public-comment hearings begin in Virginia’s most
> populous county.
>
> “I believe the county is risking a lawsuit
> and/or a constitution challenge by interfering
> with peoples’ right to assemble,” Supervisor
> Pat Herrity said in a statement.
>
> The proposed zoning ordinance limits “group
> assembly” at residences to 49 people a day. Such
> gatherings “shall not occur more frequently than
> three times in any 40-day period.”
>
> READ ALSO: This is what happens when you mess with
> gun owners.
>
> County officials say they have received complaints
> about group meetings at homes. But Herrity said
> “they haven’t even reached 1 percent of the
> thousands of complaints our Department of Code
> Compliance investigates a year.”
>
> “This is yet another instance where we appear to
> be punishing the many for the actions of the
> few,” said Herrity, who reported a total of six
> complaints were received last year.
>
> Church groups, scouting organizations or even
> sports fans drawn to a home’s big-screen TV
> during playoffs could be potential targets of the
> proposed county law. Realtors worry that even open
> houses would invite civil penalties.
>
> John Whitehead, an attorney and president of the
> civil-libertarian Rutherford Institute, calls the
> Fairfax plan “nefarious.”
>
> “Broad enactments like these have governments
> assuming that private property is their
> property,” Whitehead said in an interview with
> Watchdog.org.
>
> READ ALSO: Gun-grabbers just found a new way to
> target firearms
>
> “If you can’t determine what goes on at your
> own residence, you have surrendered your rights.
> The Constitution is founded on property
> rights.”
>
> Nevertheless, some courts have upheld aggressive
> zoning restrictions. In Phoenix, a minister was
> sentenced to 60 days in jail for conducting Bible
> study classes with 10 people at a home.
>
> Herrity, who beat back a controversial dance-hall
> regulation two years ago, said Fairfax County
> already has several codes that address
> neighborhood nuisances.
>
> “We should be focusing on dealing with the
> issues and not restricting groups’ rights to
> assemble,” he said.
>
> The Board of Supervisors is moving ahead with
> three public-comment sessions on the staff-drafted
> ordinance:
>
> Wednesday, May 7, South County Government
> Center, 8350 Richmond Highway, Alexandria.
> Monday, May 12, Fairfax County Government
> Center, 12000 Government Center Parkway, Fairfax.
> Monday, May 19, Lemon Road Elementary School,
> 7230 Idylwood Road, Falls Church.
>
> All meetings run from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m.
That's stupid.
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> http://watchdog.org/142488/faiirfax-home-assemblie
> s/
> By Kenric Ward | Watchdog.org Virginia Bureau
>
> FAIRFAX, Va. – A plan to ban “frequent and
> large gatherings at neighborhood homes” is a
> lawsuit waiting to happen, a Fairfax County
> supervisor predicts.
>
> Officials will get an idea Wednesday when
> public-comment hearings begin in Virginia’s most
> populous county.
>
> “I believe the county is risking a lawsuit
> and/or a constitution challenge by interfering
> with peoples’ right to assemble,” Supervisor
> Pat Herrity said in a statement.
>
> The proposed zoning ordinance limits “group
> assembly” at residences to 49 people a day. Such
> gatherings “shall not occur more frequently than
> three times in any 40-day period.”
>
> READ ALSO: This is what happens when you mess with
> gun owners.
>
> County officials say they have received complaints
> about group meetings at homes. But Herrity said
> “they haven’t even reached 1 percent of the
> thousands of complaints our Department of Code
> Compliance investigates a year.”
>
> “This is yet another instance where we appear to
> be punishing the many for the actions of the
> few,” said Herrity, who reported a total of six
> complaints were received last year.
>
> Church groups, scouting organizations or even
> sports fans drawn to a home’s big-screen TV
> during playoffs could be potential targets of the
> proposed county law. Realtors worry that even open
> houses would invite civil penalties.
>
> John Whitehead, an attorney and president of the
> civil-libertarian Rutherford Institute, calls the
> Fairfax plan “nefarious.”
>
> “Broad enactments like these have governments
> assuming that private property is their
> property,” Whitehead said in an interview with
> Watchdog.org.
>
> READ ALSO: Gun-grabbers just found a new way to
> target firearms
>
> “If you can’t determine what goes on at your
> own residence, you have surrendered your rights.
> The Constitution is founded on property
> rights.”
>
> Nevertheless, some courts have upheld aggressive
> zoning restrictions. In Phoenix, a minister was
> sentenced to 60 days in jail for conducting Bible
> study classes with 10 people at a home.
>
> Herrity, who beat back a controversial dance-hall
> regulation two years ago, said Fairfax County
> already has several codes that address
> neighborhood nuisances.
>
> “We should be focusing on dealing with the
> issues and not restricting groups’ rights to
> assemble,” he said.
>
> The Board of Supervisors is moving ahead with
> three public-comment sessions on the staff-drafted
> ordinance:
>
> Wednesday, May 7, South County Government
> Center, 8350 Richmond Highway, Alexandria.
> Monday, May 12, Fairfax County Government
> Center, 12000 Government Center Parkway, Fairfax.
> Monday, May 19, Lemon Road Elementary School,
> 7230 Idylwood Road, Falls Church.
>
> All meetings run from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m.
That's stupid.
Re: No Parties over the size of 49 people.
Posted by:
stephen
()
Date: May 05, 2014 04:26PM
You can bet campaign parties will still be allowed.
Re: No Parties over the size of 49 people.
Posted by:
Nice Guy Eddie
()
Date: May 05, 2014 05:05PM
How is this a limit on the right to assemble? If you are having an event that big just take it out of the neighborhood.
Re: No Parties over the size of 49 people.
Posted by:
SolutionGuy
()
Date: May 05, 2014 05:12PM
So, you're saying there's no provision of the size of the property? Whether you own a 1/3 lot in a suburban setting or 5 acres out in the country...you're both still limited to 49 people?
Re: No Parties over the size of 49 people.
Posted by:
Well...
()
Date: May 05, 2014 05:20PM
SolutionGuy Wrote:
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> So, you're saying there's no provision of the size
> of the property? Whether you own a 1/3 lot in a
> suburban setting or 5 acres out in the
> country...you're both still limited to 49 people?
49 is a hell of a lot of people, irrespective of lot size (and I've lived on five acres). If you're routinely having that many people over, then you are disrupting the neighbors.
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> So, you're saying there's no provision of the size
> of the property? Whether you own a 1/3 lot in a
> suburban setting or 5 acres out in the
> country...you're both still limited to 49 people?
49 is a hell of a lot of people, irrespective of lot size (and I've lived on five acres). If you're routinely having that many people over, then you are disrupting the neighbors.
Re: No Parties over the size of 49 people.
Posted by:
whaat
()
Date: May 05, 2014 08:09PM
it says the limit is 49 people but it says 'gatherings' shall occur no more than 3 times in 40 days. Does that mean you can only have parties with groups 3 times in 4 days regardless of size?
Re: No Parties over the size of 49 people.
Posted by:
Yuuppppp
()
Date: May 05, 2014 08:23PM
stephen Wrote:
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> You can bet campaign parties will still be
> allowed.
Somebody gets it. You couldn't be more correct.
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> You can bet campaign parties will still be
> allowed.
Somebody gets it. You couldn't be more correct.
Re: No Parties over the size of 49 people.
Posted by:
I understand
()
Date: May 05, 2014 08:59PM
This is a response to the illegal spics. Those Locust will pile 49 people into a single family home.
Re: No Parties over the size of 49 people.
Posted by:
Shawn
()
Date: May 05, 2014 10:21PM
Why will someone have a party over 49 people
Re: No Parties over the size of 49 people.
Posted by:
gooos
()
Date: May 06, 2014 08:52AM
This is a response to the illegal spics. Those Locust will pile 49 people into a single family home.
Re: No Parties over the size of 49 people.
Posted by:
SolutionGuy
()
Date: May 06, 2014 09:20AM
Well... Wrote:
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> SolutionGuy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So, you're saying there's no provision of the
> size
> > of the property? Whether you own a 1/3 lot in a
> > suburban setting or 5 acres out in the
> > country...you're both still limited to 49
> people?
>
> 49 is a hell of a lot of people, irrespective of
> lot size (and I've lived on five acres). If you're
> routinely having that many people over, then you
> are disrupting the neighbors.
If you live on a five acre lot, your nearest neighbor is what...a half-mile away? 49 is a lot people, no question...but I'd be more concerned about 49 people on a 1/3 acre lot than 49 people on a 5 acre lot. Hell, in college I rented a 4 level townhouse and we would routinely have parties with 10-12 people on each level...we'd also routinely get visited by the police but, my point is if Fairfax County wants to solve this problem they need to write the law in such a way that accounts for the size of the property.
Also, under this law you could purchase 2 townhouses next to each other have a gathering of 98 people (49 on each property) and still be in compliance?
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> SolutionGuy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So, you're saying there's no provision of the
> size
> > of the property? Whether you own a 1/3 lot in a
> > suburban setting or 5 acres out in the
> > country...you're both still limited to 49
> people?
>
> 49 is a hell of a lot of people, irrespective of
> lot size (and I've lived on five acres). If you're
> routinely having that many people over, then you
> are disrupting the neighbors.
If you live on a five acre lot, your nearest neighbor is what...a half-mile away? 49 is a lot people, no question...but I'd be more concerned about 49 people on a 1/3 acre lot than 49 people on a 5 acre lot. Hell, in college I rented a 4 level townhouse and we would routinely have parties with 10-12 people on each level...we'd also routinely get visited by the police but, my point is if Fairfax County wants to solve this problem they need to write the law in such a way that accounts for the size of the property.
Also, under this law you could purchase 2 townhouses next to each other have a gathering of 98 people (49 on each property) and still be in compliance?
Re: No Parties over the size of 49 people.
Posted by:
Section_8_Sharon
()
Date: May 06, 2014 09:44AM
This is now on Drudge. You know we're fucking up when we're on Drudge.
Re: No Parties over the size of 49 people.
Posted by:
MEXICANS
()
Date: May 06, 2014 12:16PM
MEXICAN ARE MAD