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Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
tiny
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Date: January 08, 2009 09:45PM
Where are all the black ops/super secret/nsa/cia/fbi builds in the area? Been hearing there's one on 28 near centreville that was found recently by accident (something about a comptroller stumbling across it during an audit -- or something like that?)
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
super secret
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Date: January 08, 2009 10:09PM
pretty hard to hide a building; drive by and have a look. nothing to see here.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
4wheeler
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Date: January 08, 2009 10:23PM
All those secret buildings are disguised as plain buildings. Everybody knows that
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
John Coyote
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Date: January 08, 2009 10:28PM
The ones with barbed-wire fences, armed guards, and no signage are typically building you should avoid.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
Kent Dorfman
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Date: January 08, 2009 10:28PM
If I tell you, I'll have to kill you. Just like the Horse.
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Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
Bob
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Date: January 08, 2009 10:29PM
It's the invisible ones you really have to be worried about.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
Bob
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Date: January 08, 2009 10:32PM
John Coyote Wrote:
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> The ones with barbed-wire fences, armed guards,
> and no signage are typically building you should
> avoid.
Those are generally just sensitive agencies.
Most places that are doing really super-secret national security stuff tend to be pretty non-descript, plain old buildings.
Wasn't the building next to the McDonald's on 123 and Courthouse where the CIA's Bin Laden unit was until it was disbanded in 2003 or 2004?
Also, I think there's another office in some building in Tyson's where they fly predators.
The best way to keep a secret office in some building a secret is to not call attention to itself.
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> The ones with barbed-wire fences, armed guards,
> and no signage are typically building you should
> avoid.
Those are generally just sensitive agencies.
Most places that are doing really super-secret national security stuff tend to be pretty non-descript, plain old buildings.
Wasn't the building next to the McDonald's on 123 and Courthouse where the CIA's Bin Laden unit was until it was disbanded in 2003 or 2004?
Also, I think there's another office in some building in Tyson's where they fly predators.
The best way to keep a secret office in some building a secret is to not call attention to itself.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
secret
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Date: January 08, 2009 11:37PM
Or build a building inside a building that is glass or looks like nothing you would think it should look like. Or build it underground
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
TomMadison
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Date: January 09, 2009 12:36AM
The ODNI is located in an office park in Tysons. It is pretty vanilla from the outside except for having a TON of security cameras.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
Bob
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Date: January 09, 2009 12:43AM
TomMadison Wrote:
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> The ODNI is located in an office park in Tysons.
> It is pretty vanilla from the outside except for
> having a TON of security cameras.
And since there are lots of buildings in Tyson's with security cameras, the Director of National Intelligence doesn't have to do anything special other than just blend into the surroundings.
Besides, a good portion of the buildings all over Northern VA have SCIFs and other security-related facilities. Think about SAIC, Booz-Allen, CACI, etc -- most of the companies in this area have national security contracts.
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> The ODNI is located in an office park in Tysons.
> It is pretty vanilla from the outside except for
> having a TON of security cameras.
And since there are lots of buildings in Tyson's with security cameras, the Director of National Intelligence doesn't have to do anything special other than just blend into the surroundings.
Besides, a good portion of the buildings all over Northern VA have SCIFs and other security-related facilities. Think about SAIC, Booz-Allen, CACI, etc -- most of the companies in this area have national security contracts.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
TomMadison
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Date: January 09, 2009 11:09AM
Bob Wrote:
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> And since there are lots of buildings in Tyson's
> with security cameras, the Director of National
> Intelligence doesn't have to do anything special
> other than just blend into the surroundings.
>
Let's just say that the ODNI building is "distinctive"...not quite like NRO, but once you notice it I think that it stands out. You are right, however, in that there is a lot of 'hiding in plain sight' going on with these facilities.
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> And since there are lots of buildings in Tyson's
> with security cameras, the Director of National
> Intelligence doesn't have to do anything special
> other than just blend into the surroundings.
>
Let's just say that the ODNI building is "distinctive"...not quite like NRO, but once you notice it I think that it stands out. You are right, however, in that there is a lot of 'hiding in plain sight' going on with these facilities.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
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Date: January 09, 2009 11:12AM
tiny Wrote:
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> Where are all the black ops/super
> secret/nsa/cia/fbi builds in the area? Been
> hearing there's one on 28 near centreville that
> was found recently by accident (something about a
> comptroller stumbling across it during an audit --
> or something like that?)
Just start randomly walking into office buildings in Fairfax. If you get shot and killed in one, then you will know.
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> Where are all the black ops/super
> secret/nsa/cia/fbi builds in the area? Been
> hearing there's one on 28 near centreville that
> was found recently by accident (something about a
> comptroller stumbling across it during an audit --
> or something like that?)
Just start randomly walking into office buildings in Fairfax. If you get shot and killed in one, then you will know.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
Ravens Wing
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Date: January 09, 2009 11:18AM
What does Raven's Wing do -- theyre off 28 in a nice building shared with EDS I believe, maybe it is Harris
but there pretty invisible on the internet
but there pretty invisible on the internet
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
RESton Peace
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Date: January 09, 2009 11:23AM
I was led to believe they work closely with EDS, so they could be into all kinds of hefty secret crap... but that was just something a guy told me casually and he clearly didn't know for sure.
But I also agree... that company can't be doing much above-board with zero internet presence.
But I also agree... that company can't be doing much above-board with zero internet presence.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
RESton Peace
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Date: January 09, 2009 11:28AM
I was pluralizing it, no wonder I couldn't find it, good catch meeper. that's actually a snappy web page.
And from the looks of it, they definitely could be working a lot with EDS and other technology contractors.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/09/2009 11:31AM by RESton Peace.
And from the looks of it, they definitely could be working a lot with EDS and other technology contractors.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/09/2009 11:31AM by RESton Peace.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
Sheikh Ahmed Yassin
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Date: January 09, 2009 11:37AM
thank you for this public information. I am taking notes now
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
Junes
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Date: January 09, 2009 11:47AM
There are at least two in Reston: one at Sunrise and the Parkway, and the CIA campus on Sunset Hills.
Many of the newer buildings in Dulles and Chantilly have SCIFs with varying levels of seurity. Then, or course there is Crystal City.
Heck, they're everywhere!
Many of the newer buildings in Dulles and Chantilly have SCIFs with varying levels of seurity. Then, or course there is Crystal City.
Heck, they're everywhere!
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
JayBee
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Date: January 09, 2009 11:59AM
I know whats in that building, its not scary stuff and its not classified. I used to work for the organization that is housed there. EDS farmed out some of the extra space beginning back in the early 90s. The redundant facility IS classified though, that one is a secret.
Who is this Sheikh, he is starting to annoy me.
Who is this Sheikh, he is starting to annoy me.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
TheMeeper
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Date: January 09, 2009 12:02PM
Pretty much any company that's a prime contractor with DoD is going to have a SCIF. I don't think I've ever worked in an office that didn't have at least one. FWIW, Northrop Grumman/TASC in McLean supposedly has the largest SCIF in the DC area. I'm sure it is used all the time for big classified conferences and meetings.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
RESton Peace
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Date: January 09, 2009 12:10PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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FWIW, Northrop Grumman/TASC in McLean
> supposedly has the largest SCIF in the DC area.
> I'm sure it is used all the time for big
> classified conferences and meetings.
I would confirm that info for you, but then I would have to, you know... kill you and shit.
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FWIW, Northrop Grumman/TASC in McLean
> supposedly has the largest SCIF in the DC area.
> I'm sure it is used all the time for big
> classified conferences and meetings.
I would confirm that info for you, but then I would have to, you know... kill you and shit.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
TheMeeper
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Date: January 09, 2009 12:15PM
lol, it's not like companies keep stuff like that "secret". What happens inside stays secret, but it's not like they're not allowed to disclose the fact the they do have one. In fact, that kinda stuff gets written into proposals and marketing materials all the time... you want to boast it to potential clients to show them how impressive your facility is.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
Sheikh Ahmed Yassin
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Date: January 09, 2009 12:18PM
JayBee Wrote:
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> I know whats in that building, its not scary stuff
> and its not classified. I used to work for the
> organization that is housed there. EDS farmed out
> some of the extra space beginning back in the
> early 90s. The redundant facility IS classified
> though, that one is a secret.
>
> Who is this Sheikh, he is starting to annoy me.
i shall break you down and your weak classified secrets one by one they shall fall, everything from national security to the secret formula for Coca-cola! bwhyahahahahaha nothing is safe.
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> I know whats in that building, its not scary stuff
> and its not classified. I used to work for the
> organization that is housed there. EDS farmed out
> some of the extra space beginning back in the
> early 90s. The redundant facility IS classified
> though, that one is a secret.
>
> Who is this Sheikh, he is starting to annoy me.
i shall break you down and your weak classified secrets one by one they shall fall, everything from national security to the secret formula for Coca-cola! bwhyahahahahaha nothing is safe.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
TomMadison
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Date: January 09, 2009 12:22PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> You can go to their webpage to see what they do
>
> http://www.ravenwing.com
Nice website that says...very little. I guess if you need their services you really won't be getting details regarding their qualifications and capabilities from a website.
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> You can go to their webpage to see what they do
>
> http://www.ravenwing.com
Nice website that says...very little. I guess if you need their services you really won't be getting details regarding their qualifications and capabilities from a website.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
ñêàçàò êàêîé?
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Date: January 09, 2009 12:29PM
I like Stoli
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
TheMeeper
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Date: January 09, 2009 12:31PM
That's what proposals are for. It's not like the govt goes out and surfs the web everytime they need an IT vendor. If you notice the flash animation, it shows a fingerprint, my guess is they're doing some kind of biometrics stuff. And of course they're not going to publish details- they're not going to give their competitors that kind of edge, and if it's classified work, they wouldn't be allowed to publish it.
TomMadison Wrote:
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> > You can go to their webpage to see
> Nice website that says...very little. I guess if
> you need their services you really won't be
> getting details regarding their qualifications and
> capabilities from a website.
TomMadison Wrote:
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> > You can go to their webpage to see
> Nice website that says...very little. I guess if
> you need their services you really won't be
> getting details regarding their qualifications and
> capabilities from a website.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
RESton Peace
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Date: January 09, 2009 12:33PM
It says enough for me... technology convergence. That's pretty standard language for a catch-all IT company.
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
MrMephisto
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Date: January 09, 2009 12:35PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> lol, it's not like companies keep stuff like that
> "secret". What happens inside stays secret, but
> it's not like they're not allowed to disclose the
> fact the they do have one. In fact, that kinda
> stuff gets written into proposals and marketing
> materials all the time... you want to boast it to
> potential clients to show them how impressive your
> facility is.
Actually, in my experience, that information is always considered "Sensitive but Unclass."
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> lol, it's not like companies keep stuff like that
> "secret". What happens inside stays secret, but
> it's not like they're not allowed to disclose the
> fact the they do have one. In fact, that kinda
> stuff gets written into proposals and marketing
> materials all the time... you want to boast it to
> potential clients to show them how impressive your
> facility is.
Actually, in my experience, that information is always considered "Sensitive but Unclass."
Re: Double Secret Probation Buildings
Posted by:
SomeGuy
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Date: January 09, 2009 02:13PM
At one time a bunch of these buildings in the area were marked on http://www.wikimapia.org
They may still be.
They may still be.