"For years, Fairfax County residents have watched as cranes and bulldozers have ripped up roads and disrupted commutes to make way for the dramatic aerial structures that will carry Metro’s newest rail line through Tysons Corner and into Reston.

Now that the Silver Line is about to open, many potential riders have one simple question: Where do we park?

The answer: You probably don’t."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/metros-silver-line-is-coming-to-tysons-but-dont-look-for-lots-of-new-commuter-parking/2013/11/27/d6139e78-41b0-11e3-a751-f032898f2dbc_story.html

Phase 2 will have more than 10,000 parking spaces.

The whole point is to encourage people to live in Tysons and turn it into a real downtown. If they built gigantic parking lots it would defeat the purpose.

This thing is going all the way to Ashburn? Wow. Might as well extend it to Leesburg.

That train is going to stop every 2 minutes. It will take you hours just to get anywhere.

I predict ridership will be far below projected, even when Phase II is complete. Most commuters from the NW suburbs don't go straight when they get to the Beltway.

Even airport passengers will avoid using Metro. Most big cities have high-speed rail to the city center: London, Rome, Munich, Oslo, Hong Kong, etc. This is a twentieth century solution to a 21st century problem.

This money could have been invested so many other, better ways. This is a textbook boondoggle.

World Class Wrote:
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> I predict ridership will be far below projected,
> even when Phase II is complete. Most commuters
> from the NW suburbs don't go straight when they
> get to the Beltway.
>
> Even airport passengers will avoid using Metro.
> Most big cities have high-speed rail to the city
> center: London, Rome, Munich, Oslo, Hong Kong,
> etc. This is a twentieth century solution to a
> 21st century problem.
>
> This money could have been invested so many other,
> better ways. This is a textbook boondoggle.


Yes, I have no idea how they think this will work. There must be at least 15 to 20 stops to get into The center of DC.
I once jumped on the metro in vienna to go see the ball game at the navy yard, It took me about 2hrs. Driving would have been a better option.

Slow Ride Wrote:
> Yes, I have no idea how they think this will work.
> There must be at least 15 to 20 stops to get into
> The center of DC.
> I once jumped on the metro in vienna to go see the
> ball game at the navy yard, It took me about 2hrs.
> Driving would have been a better option.

It depends on what your requirements are. If you can get some work done on the train, then it's not lost time. It's also (presumably) cheaper and more predictable. So for some, it's a great answer. For others, not so much.

I live out toward Dulles, and on the rare occasion that I have a meeting in the District, my choice between driving vs. Metro from Vienna varies with weather, time of day, and how far I'll have to walk from the station in the District. When I can get Metro nearer home, it'll skew more toward Metro. Again, that won't make sense for everyone (or for me all the time).

Now, whether public transit makes sense overall in this area is another question entirely. With the paucity of buses, if your destination isn't near a stop, fuhgeddaboudid. And if you can't part at the start, well...

ffx steve Wrote:
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> The whole point is to encourage people to live in
> Tysons and turn it into a real downtown. If they
> built gigantic parking lots it would defeat the
> purpose.

Which is the ultimate proof that the Silver Line through Tysons was not a transportation project. It was a development project.

Tysons is being planned as a destination, not a commuter parking lot. Over 11,000 parking spaces will be added to the phase 2 stations.

My poor old town :( Time to move on I suppose :(

The plague is arriving :(

It's useless, not many people will use it. Way too many stops. I will drive my car. Fuck taking the "nigger Hauler." Not worth it.

Junk, keep it Wrote:
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> It's useless, not many people will use it. Way too
> many stops. I will drive my car. Fuck taking the
> "nigger Hauler." Not worth it.


West Virginia can hardly wait for your arrival.

Goober Wrote:
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>
> West Virginia can hardly wait for your arrival.


And the common NVA cock suckers welcome you with open arms. pick your demise.

I have the opposite prediction.

I think a significant number of people are going to use the silver line and the numbers will be higher than projected.

I also predict urbanization of spots around the silver line corridor and a VAST increase in population over the next decade.

This is what happens when you let fart sniffers and tree huggers have a role in making adult decisions.

There must be parking. Otherwise the DC residents will not have a ride to steal to get back home with their bounty.

Thank god I don't need or want to ride in that death trap.

Good luck losers!

I rode it one time to National Airport from Eisenhower. The stub reader was broken. The trains were single tracking. It took close to an hour. The car smelled like vomit and must have been 100 degrees and 100% humidity. I could have walked there in less time.

phase 2 coming soon Wrote:
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> Tysons is being planned as a destination, not a
> commuter parking lot. Over 11,000 parking spaces
> will be added to the phase 2 stations.

Which is simply another way of saying the Silver Line through Tysons is designed to be a development project for Tysons Corner and not a transportation project. If you don't live within walking distance it doesn't matter that Tyson's stations are closer to you. You'll have to drive elsewhere in order to use the Metro.

The purpose of the Silver Line is to get commuters INTO their jobs at Tysons by train instead of by car. It is not to carry commuters FROM Tysons to anyplace else. Tysons and McLean residents who work elsewhere have long had Orange Line options and they will have public and private transit options to the Silver Line as well. Building Metro parking lots would be exactly the wrong thing to do.

Cant see anyone using it for the airport.

It's Not That Hard Wrote:
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> The purpose of the Silver Line is to get commuters
> INTO their jobs at Tysons by train instead of by
> car. It is not to carry commuters FROM Tysons to
> anyplace else. Tysons and McLean residents who
> work elsewhere have long had Orange Line options
> and they will have public and private transit
> options to the Silver Line as well. Building
> Metro parking lots would be exactly the wrong
> thing to do.


Well what fucking good is it? You really think people will leave the BMW at home and take the "nigger Hauler" into tysons to work? They are way too vain for that, They are below that shit.

BMW commute Wrote:
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> It's Not That Hard Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The purpose of the Silver Line is to get
> commuters
> > INTO their jobs at Tysons by train instead of
> by
> > car. It is not to carry commuters FROM Tysons
> to
> > anyplace else. Tysons and McLean residents who
> > work elsewhere have long had Orange Line
> options
> > and they will have public and private transit
> > options to the Silver Line as well. Building
> > Metro parking lots would be exactly the wrong
> > thing to do.
>
>
> Well what fucking good is it? You really think
> people will leave the BMW at home and take the
> "nigger Hauler" into tysons to work? They are way
> too vain for that, They are below that shit.


Exactly. Sure, every 20- or 30-something tech consultant type wants to take Metro instead of driving their M3. lol

The greatest mistake METRO ever made was not designing nor building a system with more than one set of tracks in each direction. If you consider what the system looked like in the 70's when it opened...one set of tracks in each direction was fine but it really should have two sets of tracks in each direction. That way you can have express trains that stop less frequently for passengers going longer distances AND local trains that stop more frequently for passengers going shorter distances.

And by the way...Who IS the Dulles Airport customer who is going to fly into IAD and then take the subway from IAD to their downtown hotel or other destination? Seriously...who? Who is that guy? When I fly for leisure, I rent a car or my resort provides ground transportation. When I fly for business, I rent a car or I take cabs and it's on my expense account. There's just never going to be a situation when I'm using a subway or rail service or a public bus.

Nope, I'm still driving Wrote:
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> That train is going to stop every 2 minutes. It
> will take you hours just to get anywhere.

LOL it already takes hours to get anywhere driving around here.

Civil Engineer Wrote:
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> The greatest mistake METRO ever made was not
> designing nor building a system with more than one
> set of tracks in each direction. If you consider
> what the system looked like in the 70's when it
> opened...one set of tracks in each direction was
> fine but it really should have two sets of tracks
> in each direction. That way you can have express
> trains that stop less frequently for passengers
> going longer distances AND local trains that stop
> more frequently for passengers going shorter
> distances.
>
> And by the way...Who IS the Dulles Airport
> customer who is going to fly into IAD and then
> take the subway from IAD to their downtown hotel
> or other destination? Seriously...who? Who is that
> guy? When I fly for leisure, I rent a car or my
> resort provides ground transportation. When I fly
> for business, I rent a car or I take cabs and it's
> on my expense account. There's just never going to
> be a situation when I'm using a subway or rail
> service or a public bus.

TOURISTS thats who. Taking ths subway is way way cheaper then renting a car or taking a cab to DC. Beleive it or not it's alot eaiser to get on a train and sit down and wait, then then rent a car drive, find parking, directions, traffic.

Every single time I travel to a foreign country i always look at public transportation options, they are a whole lot easier then dealing with driving.

Sure i rent cars too when travling, but if i go somewhere that has a subway and my hotel is a block away from the station, doesn't make any sense to rent a car or take a cab.

Asians Wrote:
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> Civil Engineer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The greatest mistake METRO ever made was not
> > designing nor building a system with more than
> one
> > set of tracks in each direction. If you
> consider
> > what the system looked like in the 70's when it
> > opened...one set of tracks in each direction
> was
> > fine but it really should have two sets of
> tracks
> > in each direction. That way you can have
> express
> > trains that stop less frequently for passengers
> > going longer distances AND local trains that
> stop
> > more frequently for passengers going shorter
> > distances.
> >
> > And by the way...Who IS the Dulles Airport
> > customer who is going to fly into IAD and then
> > take the subway from IAD to their downtown
> hotel
> > or other destination? Seriously...who? Who is
> that
> > guy? When I fly for leisure, I rent a car or my
> > resort provides ground transportation. When I
> fly
> > for business, I rent a car or I take cabs and
> it's
> > on my expense account. There's just never going
> to
> > be a situation when I'm using a subway or rail
> > service or a public bus.
>
> TOURISTS thats who. Taking ths subway is way way
> cheaper then renting a car or taking a cab to DC.
> Beleive it or not it's alot eaiser to get on a
> train and sit down and wait, then then rent a car
> drive, find parking, directions, traffic.
>
> Every single time I travel to a foreign country i
> always look at public transportation options, they
> are a whole lot easier then dealing with driving.
>
>
> Sure i rent cars too when travling, but if i go
> somewhere that has a subway and my hotel is a
> block away from the station, doesn't make any
> sense to rent a car or take a cab.

As I said when I travel for leisure...which is code for "I'm a tourist..." I rent a car or my resort picks me up. And yes, I'm aware there are no "resorts" in DC. Although, I bet if you're staying in a big enough suite and or staying long enough at either Lansdowne or the Gaylord they'd pick you up. Even at Dulles.

There's no fucking way with the wife and kids that I'm lugging all that shit onto a fucking train and then sitting through that ride with people giving me the stink eye for all my luggage that they have to trip over and my obnoxious kids. Naw, dawg...fuck that. Rent a car, throw wife and kids and shit inside, turn on the Czechslovakian Sludge Metal station on XM, pull up directions on smartphone to hotel and head out.

Maybe I get there faster than the nigger hauler would've taken us maybe I don't...but it's a much more pleasurable ride and I'll have my own self-contained transportation option during my trip available 24/7.

Civil Engineer Wrote:
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> Asians Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Civil Engineer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The greatest mistake METRO ever made was not
> > > designing nor building a system with more
> than
> > one
> > > set of tracks in each direction. If you
> > consider
> > > what the system looked like in the 70's when
> it
> > > opened...one set of tracks in each direction
> > was
> > > fine but it really should have two sets of
> > tracks
> > > in each direction. That way you can have
> > express
> > > trains that stop less frequently for
> passengers
> > > going longer distances AND local trains that
> > stop
> > > more frequently for passengers going shorter
> > > distances.
> > >
> > > And by the way...Who IS the Dulles Airport
> > > customer who is going to fly into IAD and
> then
> > > take the subway from IAD to their downtown
> > hotel
> > > or other destination? Seriously...who? Who is
> > that
> > > guy? When I fly for leisure, I rent a car or
> my
> > > resort provides ground transportation. When I
> > fly
> > > for business, I rent a car or I take cabs and
> > it's
> > > on my expense account. There's just never
> going
> > to
> > > be a situation when I'm using a subway or
> rail
> > > service or a public bus.
> >
> > TOURISTS thats who. Taking ths subway is way
> way
> > cheaper then renting a car or taking a cab to
> DC.
> > Beleive it or not it's alot eaiser to get on a
> > train and sit down and wait, then then rent a
> car
> > drive, find parking, directions, traffic.
> >
> > Every single time I travel to a foreign country
> i
> > always look at public transportation options,
> they
> > are a whole lot easier then dealing with
> driving.
> >
> >
> > Sure i rent cars too when travling, but if i go
> > somewhere that has a subway and my hotel is a
> > block away from the station, doesn't make any
> > sense to rent a car or take a cab.
>
> As I said when I travel for leisure...which is
> code for "I'm a tourist..." I rent a car or my
> resort picks me up. And yes, I'm aware there are
> no "resorts" in DC. Although, I bet if you're
> staying in a big enough suite and or staying long
> enough at either Lansdowne or the Gaylord they'd
> pick you up. Even at Dulles.
>
> There's no fucking way with the wife and kids that
> I'm lugging all that shit onto a fucking train and
> then sitting through that ride with people giving
> me the stink eye for all my luggage that they have
> to trip over and my obnoxious kids. Naw,
> dawg...fuck that. Rent a car, throw wife and kids
> and shit inside, turn on the Czechslovakian Sludge
> Metal station on XM, pull up directions on
> smartphone to hotel and head out.
>
> Maybe I get there faster than the nigger hauler
> would've taken us maybe I don't...but it's a much
> more pleasurable ride and I'll have my own
> self-contained transportation option during my
> trip available 24/7.

You are a fucking pathetic piece of shit. The fact that you are a civil engineer makes me sick to my stomach. You are also probably a douche bag republican moron. Fuckin bigot bitch.

Your ignorance on mass transportation is likely only paralleled by your ignorance in the professional field.

Civil Engineer Wrote:
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>
> As I said when I travel for leisure...which is
> code for "I'm a tourist..." I rent a car or my
> resort picks me up. And yes, I'm aware there are
> no "resorts" in DC. Although, I bet if you're
> staying in a big enough suite and or staying long
> enough at either Lansdowne or the Gaylord they'd
> pick you up. Even at Dulles.
>
> There's no fucking way with the wife and kids that
> I'm lugging all that shit onto a fucking train and
> then sitting through that ride with people giving
> me the stink eye for all my luggage that they have
> to trip over and my obnoxious kids. Naw,
> dawg...fuck that. Rent a car, throw wife and kids
> and shit inside, turn on the Czechslovakian Sludge
> Metal station on XM, pull up directions on
> smartphone to hotel and head out.
>
> Maybe I get there faster than the nigger hauler
> would've taken us maybe I don't...but it's a much
> more pleasurable ride and I'll have my own
> self-contained transportation option during my
> trip available 24/7.


Yes, because every single person who visits DC stays in a luxury suite and has complimentary shuttle service directly from Dulles to their hotel in the city.


And I'm sure you rent a car every time you land at JFK and need to get into Manhattan as well. But no one else does.

Civil Engineer,
Yes renting a car is better but you make it seem like renting a car and taking the metro cost the same.

Renting a car costs at least 5x as much as a metro ticket.

That will be a big decision factor, especially for tourists who don't have as much wealth as you.

kpv4b Wrote:
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> Civil Engineer,
> Yes renting a car is better but you make it seem
> like renting a car and taking the metro cost the
> same.
>
> Renting a car costs at least 5x as much as a metro
> ticket.
>
> That will be a big decision factor, especially for
> tourists who don't have as much wealth as you.


Yeah, until they figure out they should have rented the car instead of dealing with the nigger Hauler...But what about the locals? who really is going to use it? Most people are not going to give up the BMW to take the nigger hauler.

It might work when there is an accident on the toll road,or a winter storm.
but that's about it, I bet The hauler will be half full at best.

Time will tell Wrote:
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> kpv4b Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Civil Engineer,
> > Yes renting a car is better but you make it
> seem
> > like renting a car and taking the metro cost
> the
> > same.
> >
> > Renting a car costs at least 5x as much as a
> metro
> > ticket.
> >
> > That will be a big decision factor, especially
> for
> > tourists who don't have as much wealth as you.
>
>
> Yeah, until they figure out they should have
> rented the car instead of dealing with the nigger
> Hauler...But what about the locals? who really is
> going to use it? Most people are not going to give
> up the BMW to take the nigger hauler.
>
> It might work when there is an accident on the
> toll road,or a winter storm.
> but that's about it, I bet The hauler will be
> half full at best.


Other than this fun phrase you've created, have you ever even fuckin ridden metro? Its all white people in suits you dumb shit. Ride the Orange Line. The demographics of the people on the train depend on the areas it serves. The Silver Line serves the heart of yuppie fairfax. Reston, Tysons, McLean, Herndon. It will likely be a lot more white than even the Arlington Orange Line.

So what the fuck are you talkin about? Enjoy driving your overpriced car that you rent into 2 hours worth of traffic with your shit brat racist kids in the back screaming you dumb shit. Thank you for not bringing your worthless family onto the metro, I would have beaten the shit out of you and your children if I heard you and them mouthing off like your internet tough guy persona

Time will tell Wrote:
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> Yeah, until they figure out they should have
> rented the car instead of dealing with the nigger
> Hauler...But what about the locals? who really is
> going to use it? Most people are not going to give
> up the BMW to take the nigger hauler.
>
> It might work when there is an accident on the
> toll road,or a winter storm.
> but that's about it, I bet The hauler will be
> half full at best.


Can't tell if trolling or just stupid...

Anyway, as another poster pointed out - do you even know what the Orange Line looks like on a typical weekday commute?

I also don't understand this odd insistence that the majority of Northern Virginians not only drive BMW's, but will also ride in them no matter the traffic situation. Again, I can't figure out the troll/dumb line.

And your continued use of racist phrasing got old about 3 posts ago - those are for drive-by bait posts. Your continual usage while actually trying to make a multi-sentence argument (however poor it may be) is just bizarre.

@Snowdenscold: You're a mid-level manager from Butt-Scratch, KS. You make a good living for KS. You have a modest, single-family home, a new-ish, mid-sized American sedan and an older, yet reliable Asian minivan in your driveway. You typically take your vacations at a National Park or perhaps a lakefront rental for the week. But, this year...THIS year the wife has put her foot down. She fondly remembers her H.S trip to Washington, DC. The time she got her shitpipe destroyed by Luther a well-hung negro who played football and basketball because...you know she always wanted a black boy anally but she just didn't know who to ask.

So, you save up all year. You pass on those new golf clubs and a new fishing boat. Then you stare in shock as you start to shop this vacation. The horror on your face as you discover your slightly upscale KS salary would barely buy you a 3-bedroom apartment rental in some brown, savage illegal mudperson shithole in NOVA...like say Culmore? But, dammit...the wife's wants DC this year and who knows? Maybe if you play your cards right? Maybe YOU'RE the one on the proper end of destroying the wife's shitpipe! I mean...you've always dreamed about it...but never dared to ask. Now, her H.S. trip memory is out there...and the dream for you is so close now you can smell it's earthy richness, can't you?

So, you book 4 plane tickets. And you book a week at The Hilton Garden Inn on 14th Street in DC. Because you want to be downtown and have a pool.

So, you go through all of this grief to give your family the "DC Experience" finally and then you're telling me you're going to load everyone on a fucking subway train to get to your hotel? No. You haven't come this close to reaming Joanie's ass in the hotel room later just to fuck it up by saying, "This way to the nigger hauler guys!" Then you hang your head in shame as the wife hisses to you just loudly enough for only you to hear, "Dammit, Al...if you'da gotten us a rental car? I would've let you fuck me in the ass after sharing some over-priced, horribly vinted Zinfandel from room service!"

Civil Engineer Wrote:
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> @Snowdenscold: You're a mid-level manager from
> Butt-Scratch, KS. You make a good living for KS.
> You have a modest, single-family home, a new-ish,
> mid-sized American sedan and an older, yet
> reliable Asian minivan in your driveway. You
> typically take your vacations at a National Park
> or perhaps a lakefront rental for the week. But,
> this year...THIS year the wife has put her foot
> down. She fondly remembers her H.S trip to
> Washington, DC. The time she got her shitpipe
> destroyed by Luther a well-hung negro who played
> football and basketball because...you know she
> always wanted a black boy anally but she just
> didn't know who to ask.
>
> So, you save up all year. You pass on those new
> golf clubs and a new fishing boat. Then you stare
> in shock as you start to shop this vacation. The
> horror on your face as you discover your slightly
> upscale KS salary would barely buy you a 3-bedroom
> apartment rental in some brown, savage illegal
> mudperson shithole in NOVA...like say Culmore?
> But, dammit...the wife's wants DC this year and
> who knows? Maybe if you play your cards right?
> Maybe YOU'RE the one on the proper end of
> destroying the wife's shitpipe! I mean...you've
> always dreamed about it...but never dared to ask.
> Now, her H.S. trip memory is out there...and the
> dream for you is so close now you can smell it's
> earthy richness, can't you?
>
> So, you book 4 plane tickets. And you book a week
> at The Hilton Garden Inn on 14th Street in DC.
> Because you want to be downtown and have a pool.
>
> So, you go through all of this grief to give your
> family the "DC Experience" finally and then you're
> telling me you're going to load everyone on a
> fucking subway train to get to your hotel? No. You
> haven't come this close to reaming Joanie's ass in
> the hotel room later just to fuck it up by saying,
> "This way to the nigger hauler guys!" Then you
> hang your head in shame as the wife hisses to you
> just loudly enough for only you to hear, "Dammit,
> Al...if you'da gotten us a rental car? I would've
> let you fuck me in the ass after sharing some
> over-priced, horribly vinted Zinfandel from room
> service!"


Parking is 40 bucks a night. Enjoy that. 4 day trip; you could go to the palm with the bitch instead but yea know, rent a car, spend an extra 500 bucks for nothing moron.

The people you are describing might account for 0.01% of people who come to DC. Troll/Ignore button engaged.

Only time will tell. I think Reston/Herndon and LoCo folks who commute to Arlington and DC will love it. I think certain buildings in Tysons will receive metro riders but most will not if I were to guess. My guess is that means lower than expected ridership, especially for Tysons commuters specifically.

In the long run, hopefully the urbanization of Tysons begins to take hold. It's an ambitious plan. Hopefully it's an improvement but I'm guessing it's a long, long road.

The problem with the Tysons Metro plan is that population density in the area is still typical American suburbia low. You have 115k in workers vs 20k in actual population. Most of the new residential constuction is "luxury" which means large apartments with few people in them and there isn't enough to make density rise fast enough for people to abandon their cars. I'd bet the 30 year old Rotonda is still largest apartment complex in Tysons even with the new mid-rises. The idea that parking garages aren't necessary for at least the mid-term is very short sighted by Fairfax County. I'm glad I don't work there, the garage operators are going to gouge the life out of workers there once the Silver Line opens.

Civil Engineer Wrote:
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> @Snowdenscold: You're a mid-level manager from
> Butt-Scratch, KS. You make a good living for KS.
> You have a modest, single-family home, a new-ish,
> mid-sized American sedan and an older, yet
> reliable Asian minivan in your driveway. You
> typically take your vacations at a National Park
> or perhaps a lakefront rental for the week. But,
> this year...THIS year the wife has put her foot
> down. She fondly remembers her H.S trip to
> Washington, DC. The time she got her shitpipe
> destroyed by Luther a well-hung negro who played
> football and basketball because...you know she
> always wanted a black boy anally but she just
> didn't know who to ask.
>
> So, you save up all year. You pass on those new
> golf clubs and a new fishing boat. Then you stare
> in shock as you start to shop this vacation. The
> horror on your face as you discover your slightly
> upscale KS salary would barely buy you a 3-bedroom
> apartment rental in some brown, savage illegal
> mudperson shithole in NOVA...like say Culmore?
> But, dammit...the wife's wants DC this year and
> who knows? Maybe if you play your cards right?
> Maybe YOU'RE the one on the proper end of
> destroying the wife's shitpipe! I mean...you've
> always dreamed about it...but never dared to ask.
> Now, her H.S. trip memory is out there...and the
> dream for you is so close now you can smell it's
> earthy richness, can't you?
>
> So, you book 4 plane tickets. And you book a week
> at The Hilton Garden Inn on 14th Street in DC.
> Because you want to be downtown and have a pool.
>
> So, you go through all of this grief to give your
> family the "DC Experience" finally and then you're
> telling me you're going to load everyone on a
> fucking subway train to get to your hotel? No. You
> haven't come this close to reaming Joanie's ass in
> the hotel room later just to fuck it up by saying,
> "This way to the nigger hauler guys!" Then you
> hang your head in shame as the wife hisses to you
> just loudly enough for only you to hear, "Dammit,
> Al...if you'da gotten us a rental car? I would've
> let you fuck me in the ass after sharing some
> over-priced, horribly vinted Zinfandel from room
> service!"

Wow, quite an active imagination and creative storytelling (not really) - unfortunately plausibility got thrown to the wayside in your little dream scenario.

Again, I'm going to assume you'd assert this same Kansasian (?) family would do the same when touring Manhattan and landing at JFK? I mean, who would want to take public transit to the city when they can get a nice rental car and enjoy the traffic, unfamiliar directions, parking hassles and tons of extra cost, right?


Look, not everyone landing at Dulles will use Metro - no one's arguing that. But your ridiculous claims that almost no one will - that stretches the bounds of credulity. Your use cases and outcomes simply don't line up.

Mayor of Greenbriar Wrote:
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> Only time will tell. I think Reston/Herndon and
> LoCo folks who commute to Arlington and DC will
> love it. I think certain buildings in Tysons will
> receive metro riders but most will not if I were
> to guess. My guess is that means lower than
> expected ridership, especially for Tysons
> commuters specifically.
>
> In the long run, hopefully the urbanization of
> Tysons begins to take hold. It's an ambitious
> plan. Hopefully it's an improvement but I'm
> guessing it's a long, long road.


If I lived in herndon or Reston and worked in arlington, let's say having to be at work at 7 or 8am..Your damn right I would take the Hauler, for a about a week, or snow days. There are not many options with HOV on 66 and the back up on the toll road/495/395.

The problem is you still need a car, and it does suck taking the hauler. Not only that, count the cost of parking at the station, Hauler fair, and being stuffed into a train where people are just gross, It's like a Perti dish.
Not to mention the little "fuck up" that happens with the conductors or metro itself. Remember the red line? I still don't trust the system.

I would last about a week before I was back in the car.

snowdenscold Wrote:
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> Civil Engineer Wrote:

family would do the same when
> touring Manhattan and landing at JFK? I mean, who
> would want to take public transit to the city when
> they can get a nice rental car and enjoy the
> traffic, unfamiliar directions, parking hassles
> and tons of extra cost, right?
>

That dude have a very creative imagination..Not bad...WTF?

This is not Manhattan, very far from it. hell, even Manhattan is set up on a grid system. the only problem is people/parking..Most people can navigate this area. No way would I take a subway with my family, good way to get rolled.

http://www.break.com/video/turns-out-theres-a-reason-the-subway-smells-like-a-toilet-2546841

BMW commute Wrote:
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> Well what fucking good is it? You really think
> people will leave the BMW at home and take the
> "nigger Hauler" into tysons to work? They are way
> too vain for that, They are below that shit.

There's no station near the Adult Detention Center, so it wouldn't help with your work release program or anything, but there are a lot of cars stacked up on 267, 7, and 123 every morning that would not be there if there were transit into Tysons. The absence of those cars would of course make life a lot easier for the ones that remained, but the really stupid people of FFXU will probably never reach the point of being able to cmmprehend such complex things as that.

Civil Engineer Wrote:
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> The greatest mistake METRO ever made was not
> designing nor building a system with more than one
> set of tracks in each direction. If you consider
> what the system looked like in the 70's when it
> opened...one set of tracks in each direction was
> fine but it really should have two sets of tracks
> in each direction. That way you can have express
> trains that stop less frequently for passengers
> going longer distances AND local trains that stop
> more frequently for passengers going shorter
> distances.

Cost-benefit. What would that have done to operation and maintenance costs over the years? Where was that extra money supposed to have come from. Metro has no dedicated source of funding. It has to go begging every year just to be able to keep the system it has operational.

> And by the way...Who IS the Dulles Airport
> customer who is going to fly into IAD and then
> take the subway from IAD to their downtown hotel
> or other destination? Seriously...who? Who is that
> guy? When I fly for leisure, I rent a car or my
> resort provides ground transportation. When I fly
> for business, I rent a car or I take cabs and it's
> on my expense account. There's just never going to
> be a situation when I'm using a subway or rail
> service or a public bus.

Right. That's why everybody drives to National instead of taking Metro.

Cunt says whaa? Wrote:
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> You are a fucking pathetic piece of shit. The fact
> that you are a civil engineer makes me sick to my
> stomach. You are also probably a douche bag
> republican moron. Fuckin bigot bitch.
>
> Your ignorance on mass transportation is likely
> only paralleled by your ignorance in the
> professional field.

Hey, he gets to have $35 a night added onto his hotel bill for parking the car that he's never going to drive. Of course, that'll go on the expense account (along with the tip for the valet that he never actually gave) and the whole boatload of it will be passed off onto the consumer/taxpayer. We should simply deport idiots like this. Send them all back to Dumbfuckistan where they came from.

Time will tell Wrote:
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> I bet The hauler will be half full at best.

Right. That's where the term "Orange Crush" came from. 60,000 passengers and 20,000 employees at Dulles alone. Dumbasses don't notice.

Civil Engineer Wrote:
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> So, you book 4 plane tickets. And you book a week
> at The Hilton Garden Inn on 14th Street in DC.

You mean the one that has the McPherson Square Silver Line station 75 feet away? Stupid dumbfuck.

Mayor of Greenbriar Wrote:
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> Only time will tell. I think Reston/Herndon and
> LoCo folks who commute to Arlington and DC will
> love it. I think certain buildings in Tysons will
> receive metro riders but most will not if I were
> to guess. My guess is that means lower than
> expected ridership, especially for Tysons
> commuters specifically.

There are well over 100,000 jobs in Tysons now. On the way to 180.000 by 2040 and more than 200,000 by 2050. Where would you suppose all those new workers will live?


>
> In the long run, hopefully the urbanization of
> Tysons begins to take hold. It's an ambitious
> plan. Hopefully it's an improvement but I'm
> guessing it's a long, long road.

Still driving Wrote:
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> I would last about a week before I was back in the car.

You would at some point discover SmartBenefits and never drive your car again. Even stupid dumbfucks aren't THAT dumb.

The Bronx Wrote:
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> No way would I take a subway with my family,
> good way to get rolled.

Yeah, those World Bank guys and Capitol Hill staffers are a mean bunch alright. And the K Street lawyers and lobbyists? There's a reason why they all go to the gym and work out, and that's so they can roll tourists and their families any time they fine some dumb enough to ride Metro. That's how we roll in DC alright, you sorry fucking asshole!!!

It's Not That Hard Wrote:
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>
> Right. That's why everybody drives to National
> instead of taking Metro.


Far, far more people drive/are driven to/from National than take the Metro. Not even remotely close at about 15% - 17% (which are high-end estimates from WMATA). Also, for a variety of reasons, National is an exception in terms of that high of a percentage relative to other rail-served airports. I haven't looked to find the estimates for ridership to/from Dulles, but the percentage would be expected to be much lower.

: Want to Ride the Silver Line? Don't plan to park new
Posted by: It's NotThat Hard ()
Date: December 04, 2013 11:41AM


Still driving Wrote:
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> I would last about a week before I was back in the car.

Conversation: What about Metro SILVER SPRING LINE + BETTER PARATRANSIT ?

Anyone hear of "SUBSCRIPTION TAXIS" that works well for other cities in USA but not yet thinking here in FAIRFAX ?

Why not County of Fairfax invest a little money for the "poor folks" like us, Seniors and Students by innovative paratransits tied to the new Silver Line ?


Subscription Taxi idea works well in other urban communiites of Fairfax County Size (2 Million People ) such as for example, Houston, TX .

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waldenthreenet Wrote:
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> : Want to Ride the Silver Line? Don't plan to park
> new
> Posted by: It's NotThat Hard ()
> Date: December 04, 2013 11:41AM
>
>
> Still driving Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I would last about a week before I was back in
> the car.
>
> Conversation: What about Metro SILVER SPRING LINE
> + BETTER PARATRANSIT ?
>
> Anyone hear of "SUBSCRIPTION TAXIS" that works
> well for other cities in USA but not yet thinking
> here in FAIRFAX ?
>
> Why not County of Fairfax invest a little money
> for the "poor folks" like us, Seniors and Students
> by innovative paratransits tied to the new Silver
> Line ?
>
>
> Subscription Taxi idea works well in other urban
> communiites of Fairfax County Size (2 Million
> People ) such as for example, Houston, TX .
>
> Cafe Twin


Its called MetroAccess, it already exists, and it costs the taxpayers $100 million per year

It's Not That Hard Wrote:
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> The Bronx Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No way would I take a subway with my family,
> > good way to get rolled.
>
> Yeah, those World Bank guys and Capitol Hill
> staffers are a mean bunch alright. And the K
> Street lawyers and lobbyists? There's a reason
> why they all go to the gym and work out, and
> that's so they can roll tourists and their
> families any time they fine some dumb enough to
> ride Metro. That's how we roll in DC alright, you
> sorry fucking asshole!!!


Little upset someone doesn't want to take the hauler? Calm down Francis, You can take your "nigger hauler" all you want. I'm driving.

It's Not That Hard Wrote:
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>
> There are well over 100,000 jobs in Tysons now.
> On the way to 180.000 by 2040 and more than
> 200,000 by 2050. Where would you suppose all
> those new workers will live?
>


2040? 2050? who gives a fuck, Let's talk about today, Fuck face. What do you have, a crystal ball? You must be a Mental Giant.
Everyone paying for this shit will be out of this Area.

Enough Said Wrote:
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> http://www.break.com/video/turns-out-theres-a-reas
> on-the-subway-smells-like-a-toilet-2546841


This ^

It's Not That Hard Wrote:
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> The purpose of the Silver Line is to get commuters
> INTO their jobs at Tysons by train instead of by
> car. It is not to carry commuters FROM Tysons to
> anyplace else. Tysons and McLean residents who
> work elsewhere have long had Orange Line options
> and they will have public and private transit
> options to the Silver Line as well. Building
> Metro parking lots would be exactly the wrong
> thing to do.

You are simply saying the same thing I was, except you are trying to put a positive spin on it.

> It's Not That Hard Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The purpose of the Silver Line is to get
> commuters
> > INTO their jobs at Tysons by train instead of
> by
> > car. It is not to carry commuters FROM Tysons
> to
> > anyplace else.

The question is, what good is it? all of that money for a gamble Tyson's will be a major work force in the future? The system will be outdated by the time that happens.
some will use it, others will not because they will be looked at as being broke using public transportation. That's code for BMW drivers.

I will give it a shot, no sense in bitching about something I have not used yet.

I've used metro for 24 years. It's not perfect, but in general I love it. The accident that happened in 2009 could be a horror movie. Safety is very important and I'm looking forward to using the silver line once it gets the WMATA blessing.

Metro sucks unless you can walk to it. Taking a bus is a complete show. Driving to a stop is a pain in the ass and expensive. But if you can walk both ends, then it's bearable for the most part.

lester burnam Wrote:
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> > It's Not That Hard Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The purpose of the Silver Line is to get
> > commuters
> > > INTO their jobs at Tysons by train instead of
> > by
> > > car. It is not to carry commuters FROM
> Tysons
> > to
> > > anyplace else.
>
> The question is, what good is it? all of that
> money for a gamble Tyson's will be a major work
> force in the future? The system will be outdated
> by the time that happens.
> some will use it, others will not because they
> will be looked at as being broke using public
> transportation. That's code for BMW drivers.
>
> I will give it a shot, no sense in bitching about
> something I have not used yet.


Tysons is a major workforce, its the largest work force in Northern Virginia. All those companies being located there is why we have the lowest unemployment in the region

So what if the Tyson is a large workforce. Tyson Shopping Mall employs a lot of people and a wonderful place for shopping, recreation, etc.

But the traffic jams at Tysons can be huge. That's why we need better alternatives to driving at Tysons, such as the "subscription transit" for seniors, handicapped and for others who prefer a better alternative than have to drive to Tysons Mall are for work or retail stuff.

Other leading urban areas in USA as in Texas and New York have demostrated successful "subscription transit" on a community level.

Why can't we have such "subscription transit" along with other easy to use public transport such as the Cue Bus (only in the rush hours) but not at night or week ends ?

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you honestly think the people driving the BMW'S and other "look at me, I've made it" cars will take the train? some of the most Narcissistic people I know Work In Tyson's.
Then again, some of those fuckers need to start saving.

Mensa Member Wrote:
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> 2040? 2050? who gives a fuck, Let's talk about
> today, Fuck face. What do you have, a crystal
> ball? You must be a Mental Giant.
> Everyone paying for this shit will be out of this
> Area.

Typical FFXU intellectual slumdog. You can't build for the future in the future. The number of people working in Tysons will double in 30 years. How do you expect to handle that? Answer: You don't have a clue. Just another along-for-the-ride stupid goober. If you are out of the area by then, the rest of us will be better off for it. Not to delay the glorious day of your self-removal any, but in the meantime maybe read through documentation of the complex funding streams being used to prepare Tysons and the Dulles Corridor for what's coming down the pipeline. Caution: They use big words sometimes.

lester burnam Wrote:
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> The question is, what good is it? all of that
> money for a gamble Tyson's will be a major work
> force in the future?

Dude, get a grip. Tysons is the 12th largest employment center in the US right now.

> The system will be outdated by the time that happens.

Right. Just like the subways in New York. Do you know where the the front and back doors are in your house, or do you just wander around until you stumble upon one of them?

> some will use it, others will not because they
> will be looked at as being broke using public
> transportation. That's code for BMW drivers.

You can take your infantile BMW nonsense and shove it. Everybody rides Metro. It's asinine not to, possibly explaining your own reluctance.

Ben Theredonethat Wrote:
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> Metro sucks unless you can walk to it. Taking a
> bus is a complete show. Driving to a stop is a
> pain in the ass and expensive. But if you can
> walk both ends, then it's bearable for the most
> part.

Metro is a godsend unless you can walk to work. Especially if you can plug into SmartBenefits.

Never know Wrote:
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> you honestly think the people driving the BMW'S
> and other "look at me, I've made it" cars will
> take the train? some of the most Narcissistic
> people I know Work In Tyson's. Then again, some
> of those fuckers need to start saving.

The BMW myth is just another example of penis-envy and quite a handy marker for stupid.

It's going to be a complete failure..Nobody will give up the BMW to ride the Hauler. Not going to happen.

It's Not That Hard Wrote:
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> Mensa Member Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 2040? 2050? who gives a fuck, Let's talk about
> > today, Fuck face. What do you have, a crystal
> > ball? You must be a Mental Giant.
> > Everyone paying for this shit will be out of
> this
> > Area.
>
> Typical FFXU intellectual slumdog. You can't
> build for the future in the future. The number of
> people working in Tysons will double in 30 years.
> How do you expect to handle that? Answer: You
> don't have a clue. Just another
> along-for-the-ride stupid goober. If you are out
> of the area by then, the rest of us will be better
> off for it. Not to delay the glorious day of your
> self-removal any, but in the meantime maybe read
> through documentation of the complex funding
> streams being used to prepare Tysons and the
> Dulles Corridor for what's coming down the
> pipeline. Caution: They use big words sometimes.


If angry people like you use the metro, You can damn well be sure I'd rather sit in traffic. Your point is mute because of the anger you weild.

Why so Angry? Wrote:
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> If angry people like you use the metro, You can
> damn well be sure I'd rather sit in traffic. Your
> point is mute because of the anger you weild.

Why so stupid? Still in the 4th grade? It's "moot", not "mute". You also missplelled "wield" and misused it to boot. Nice going.

Meanwhile, you can sit and rot in traffic all you like, but the facts are that Tysons and the Dulles Corridor will be experiencing a lot of growth between now and 2050 and you can't Monday-morning quaterback that stuff. Area governments have been at work for a long time already looking at and planning out the best ways to prepare for that.

It's Not That Hard Wrote:
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> Why so Angry? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If angry people like you use the metro, You can
> > damn well be sure I'd rather sit in traffic.
> Your
> > point is mute because of the anger you weild.
>
> Why so stupid? Still in the 4th grade? It's
> "moot", not "mute". You also missplelled "wield"
> and misused it to boot. Nice going.
>
> Meanwhile, you can sit and rot in traffic all you
> like, but the facts are that Tysons and the Dulles
> Corridor will be experiencing a lot of growth
> between now and 2050 and you can't Monday-morning
> quaterback that stuff. Area governments have been
> at work for a long time already looking at and
> planning out the best ways to prepare for that.


It will Fail.

Just like everything in this area, The engineers should be ashamed. They have destroyed a once nice area.

Tyson's worker Wrote:
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> It will Fail.

Well, you certainly have. The world changes you know. The adapters profit. The dorks and losers get left behind. We'll send you a postcard.

Nova orig. Wrote:
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> Just like everything in this area, The engineers
> should be ashamed. They have destroyed a once nice
> area.

That's what was said when they built the Beltway. The dorks and losers of every age can be a lot alike. NoVa is one of the nicest and most desirable areas to live and work in in the country. We'd like to keep it that way, and we can't with 100,000 more people trying to get into Tysons each day while we sit and do nothing about it. Meanwhile, do you miss the Blue Laws or something? The days when it wasn't safe to drive outside the Beltway without a rebel flag on your car?