"Last month, we wrote that Ken Cuccinelli II’s campaign to become Virginia’s next governor needed to raise its game or face certain defeat. Has it done so? Unequivocally, no.

Cuccinelli’s strategists and consultants have doggedly followed a baffling strategy.

Even the best campaigns can lose. But an inept campaign guarantees a loss for an underdog, and Cuccinelli (R) has been the underdog since July. The attorney general’s defenders will undoubtedly refute our analysis, claiming instead that bad luck and strong headwinds have hobbled the GOP effort in Virginia. In our view, his problems went much deeper..."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-ken-cuccinelli-blew-his-advantage-in-the-virginia-governors-race/2013/10/25/16d1a9ce-3a80-11e3-b6a9-da62c264f40e_story.html

There was no advantage to begin with, as Virginia is now a Kool Aid drinking place.

He failed because the average Virginia voter is not as stupid as the media likes to portray. People in this state do not want conservative tea party extremist in ofice. Not only will he lose next month, his political career is completely finished.

He's going to take away women's right to an abortion. Don't cha know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7flHYaQjvk

Doesn't he look like a deer in headlights?

This is a report of the Falls Church HealthCare Center.

http://abortiondocs.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Falls-Church-Healthcare-Center-Initial-LIC-POC-09-17-2012.pdf

Gets interesting on page 16

Here is a summary of findings:
• Bloody, reused vacutainer holders
• Dried blood on leg support of procedure table
• Bloody door and wall outside procedure room
• Cloth leg covers reused for multiple patients
• Dirty recovery recliners
• Improperly washed linens that could spread infection
• Contamination of pathology containers with blood from physician’s gloves
• Undated, open vials of medication
• No emergency “incident tray” in one procedure room
• Expired supplies, including an emergency IV line that expired in 2003
• Failure to maintain equipment
• No process for STD screening and reporting
• No policy for reporting patient deaths

Here's an interesting article on the new regulations. Read and make up your own mind. There is something in it for everyone.

http://hamptonroads.com/2013/10/fate-va-abortion-clinics-limbo-ahead-new-rules

He opened his mouth.

Seriously though I'm not sure that he did blow any advantage. For a couple of decades Virginia came down to moderate Republicans competing with moderate Democrats. Hard core conservatives were marginalized and more radical liberals when they got on the ballot were usually trounced. Lately though those further to the left and right have been exercising far more influence in the process.

He did blow an advantage. Ken was up 10 points on McAuliffe as late as July. None of the things that have happened in this campaign have been insurmountable. But, unfortunately, nothing has gone right for Ken since July.

So the election happened already? Can someone post the results then?

Oh the vote hasnt happened yet so all of this is nothing more than speculation since no one has the slightest clue what ACTUAL turnout will be in an off year election that only has state offices on the ballot.

You would think someone like Brian would wait until after the election actually happens to bash a candidate being a part of the party organizers in Nova and all, but then we see why Nova has gone full hardcore liberal. Maybe this is why Connelly keeps winning over and over and over again

Liberal Logic 29 Wrote:
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> So the election happened already? Can someone
> post the results then?


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BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> He did blow an advantage. Ken was up 10 points on
> McAuliffe as late as July. None of the things
> that have happened in this campaign have been
> insurmountable. But, unfortunately, nothing has
> gone right for Ken since July.


That might be the case, but Bill Bolling not getting the nod, was the worst decision during the process. If he was the nominee, he'd be leading by quite a few points, even with the kool aid environment of VA. A shame.

Tough One Wrote:
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> That might be the case, but Bill Bolling not
> getting the nod, was the worst decision during the
> process. If he was the nominee, he'd be leading by
> quite a few points, even with the kool aid
> environment of VA. A shame.

Bolling would have won without trying. McAuliffe didnt even get the democratic nomination last time against Deeds who is moderate. Republicans have done a fine job of snatching defeat from the jaws of certain victory.

Liberal Logic 29 Wrote:
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> So the election happened already? Can someone
> post the results then?
>
> Oh the vote hasnt happened yet so all of this is
> nothing more than speculation since no one has the
> slightest clue what ACTUAL turnout will be in an
> off year election that only has state offices on
> the ballot.
>
> You would think someone like Brian would wait
> until after the election actually happens to bash
> a candidate being a part of the party organizers
> in Nova and all, but then we see why Nova has gone
> full hardcore liberal. Maybe this is why Connelly
> keeps winning over and over and over again

You tool. If you have one of Cuccinnelli's most ardent supporters essentially conceding defeat, then it's all over. And he did not 'bash the candidate', you impudent ass. If Cucinnelli can overcome a 20 point deficit in the women's vote, then more power to him. But he can't - women HATE him.

People like you are the reason Cucinnelli is losing. You and your kind pursue a radical right wing agenda with an evangelical zeal bordering on insanity. All the while adopting an insufferable 'we know what's best for you' attitude.

Virginia does not want your kind in control of our lives. Everyone knows that Bolling would have won this election if the radical right had not circumvented him in a typical sleazy Republican manner. You reap what you sow.

Seems like this state takes the stance like the US and the 47% as they just want free things and not wanting to work hard. I do not want to work a week and the hardest week of my life and only earn 100 dollars then have to give 60% of that to the state to give to someone who sits on there butt all day. At least Ken Cuccienelli wont sell out VA like his Terry will and he will create jobs and not close them like his Terry will do. At least taxes will be fair under Cuccinelli unlike Terry who will make taxes even hire and out source jobs to other states rather then keeping them within this state. Terry is a bad man who clearly does not care about his own family due to his book clearly saying that he left his wife and son in the car while he went to an event. So if he wont care about his own family why would he care about us the fellow Virginias, Vote Ken Cuccienelli a man with good morals and cares about family and state.

law Wrote:
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> Seems like this state takes the stance like the US
> and the 47% as they just want free things and not
> wanting to work hard. I do not want to work a week
> and the hardest week of my life and only earn 100
> dollars then have to give 60% of that to the state
> to give to someone who sits on there butt all day.
> At least Ken Cuccienelli wont sell out VA like his
> Terry will and he will create jobs and not close
> them like his Terry will do. At least taxes will
> be fair under Cuccinelli unlike Terry who will
> make taxes even hire and out source jobs to other
> states rather then keeping them within this state.
> Terry is a bad man who clearly does not care about
> his own family due to his book clearly saying that
> he left his wife and son in the car while he went
> to an event. So if he wont care about his own
> family why would he care about us the fellow
> Virginias, Vote Ken Cuccienelli a man with good
> morals and cares about family and state.

You tool. Do you think being VA governor = dictator?

Liberal Logic 29 Wrote:
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> So the election happened already? Can someone
> post the results then?
>
> Oh the vote hasnt happened yet so all of this is
> nothing more than speculation since no one has the
> slightest clue what ACTUAL turnout will be in an
> off year election that only has state offices on
> the ballot.
>
> You would think someone like Brian would wait
> until after the election actually happens to bash
> a candidate being a part of the party organizers
> in Nova and all, but then we see why Nova has gone
> full hardcore liberal. Maybe this is why Connelly
> keeps winning over and over and over again

I'm not bashing anybody. I already voted for Ken. I am simply defending my colleague Norm, who is correct in saying that the campaign has not gone well. If Ken wins, it will be despite the campaign, not because of it.

Tough One Wrote:
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> BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > He did blow an advantage. Ken was up 10 points
> on
> > McAuliffe as late as July. None of the things
> > that have happened in this campaign have been
> > insurmountable. But, unfortunately, nothing
> has
> > gone right for Ken since July.
>
>
> That might be the case, but Bill Bolling not
> getting the nod, was the worst decision during the
> process. If he was the nominee, he'd be leading by
> quite a few points, even with the kool aid
> environment of VA. A shame.

While I'm a Bolling fan, I don't know if Bill would actually be in any better position than Ken. He and Ken have similar voting records, and the outside factors of things like the shutdown would still be there.

It's just a bad year to be a Republican running statewide.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/26/2013 04:10PM by BrianSchoeneman.

He blew his lead when the man running for Lt. Governor revealed the truth, that it is BS to say this campaign is about jobs. Cluckinelli is a just a chicken, unable to tell the truth the same way EJ did.
Cluckinelli is too afraid to reveal his true self and won't tell the truth on what he believes:
- Men are in charge
- Women should not be raped, but when they are should not have an abortion
- The environmental reports are all lies to support the so called green movement
- Gay people should not have the same rights as others

If Cluckinelli told the truth, he'd be in a better position.

Is it possible that he skured lots of people with his bible thumping-like approach?

It skured me. And I'm not necessarily anti-religion, it just seems to me that he gets a great deal of guidance from the "good book" and I'm not sure I want that type of stuff imposed on me by the gov.

To the contrary, I thought we were free to choose that lifestyle if we wanted...but only if we wanted.

But I'm only asking...what thinketh you?

law Wrote:
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> Seems like this state takes the stance like the US
> and the 47% as they just want free things and not
> wanting to work hard. I do not want to work a week
> and the hardest week of my life and only earn 100
> dollars then have to give 60% of that to the state
> to give to someone who sits on there butt all day.
> At least Ken Cuccienelli wont sell out VA like his
> Terry will and he will create jobs and not close
> them like his Terry will do. At least taxes will
> be fair under Cuccinelli unlike Terry who will
> make taxes even hire and out source jobs to other
> states rather then keeping them within this state.
> Terry is a bad man who clearly does not care about
> his own family due to his book clearly saying that
> he left his wife and son in the car while he went
> to an event. So if he wont care about his own
> family why would he care about us the fellow
> Virginias, Vote Ken Cuccienelli a man with good
> morals and cares about family and state.

I believe the expression you were searching for would be "über Familie und Staat"!

law Wrote:
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> Seems like this state takes the stance like the US
> and the 47% as they just want free things and not
> wanting to work hard. I do not want to work a week
> and the hardest week of my life and only earn 100
> dollars then have to give 60% of that to the state
> to give to someone who sits on there butt all day.
> At least Ken Cuccienelli wont sell out VA like his
> Terry will and he will create jobs and not close
> them like his Terry will do. At least taxes will
> be fair under Cuccinelli unlike Terry who will
> make taxes even hire and out source jobs to other
> states rather then keeping them within this state.
> Terry is a bad man who clearly does not care about
> his own family due to his book clearly saying that
> he left his wife and son in the car while he went
> to an event. So if he wont care about his own
> family why would he care about us the fellow
> Virginias, Vote Ken Cuccienelli a man with good
> morals and cares about family and state.

Man (or woman), you can't write or spell worth a dam.

My good sir it is clear you do not care for this state at all if you want to vote for Terry, as it also appears you are into a communist and dictatorship political standing if you want to vote democratic in this current election. As Virginia would like to keep good morals and capitolism within the state I am voting for Cuccienelli. A vote for Terry is another win for Obama, as Obama takes on his change and that change would be from THE LAND OF THE FREE to THE LAND OF DICTATORSHIP. My as well call Obama and Terry Our Dear Leader if you want to vote for Terry.

To EDU... I am sorry I live in a democratic rule under Obama and am unable to get a fair education due to all the budget cuts made, thus the schooling that is provided is crap and not very good. Unlike how it was over 10 years ago when it was a well rounded country and education was high, now we are under Obama and the US Schools and Education is rated one of the worst. So do not blame me as I try my hardest and actually work and don't take free handouts. Do not blame me for trying unlike most people I am trying to get a good edcuation and learn rather then sitting on my butt all day.

Let it be said-

Terry McSlimeball has been friends with the Clinton family for years, and thus supported in the selling of Obama's Senate Seat as well the corruption under the Clinton administration during his presidential years. Thus if we can not trust this man who is a lying manipulative actions amost 20 years ago, how could we trust this man with our state. Also in addition it is true that he left his own child (who was newly born) in a car with his wife on the way home from the hospital to attend a fund raiser for the democratic party. Also this man supports a tax hike on all jobs and unfair health care *Obama Care* and wants to promote higher regulations on Obama Care for the state of VA if he is elected. Now ask your self do you want a Governor who will create over 58,000 new jobs in this state, and will help enforce your rights, create more eco friendly energy, help regulate good health care for the poor-middle class, promote job creation within this state, help planned parent hood to become morally good and healthy then vote for Ken Cuccienelli, If not Terry will win and Taxes will be in the 40-60% range, jobs will be tossed from VA, Education will become worse, our roads will still not be fixed, All coal mines will be closed, our gun rights stripped, health care forced on everyone creating more taxes and unfair prices at the doctors office, a man full of corruption for decades. Vote Republican, Ken is nothing like Ted Cruze he is a man of his own and a man for this state a man who is seen as one of the best AG in years in the Uniteded States a man who cares about us all.

^ Is this a troll or is this state really fucked?

Let it be said-

Terry McSlimeball has been friends with the Clinton family for years, and thus supported in the selling of Obama's Senate Seat as well the corruption under the Clinton administration during his presidential years. Thus if we can not trust this man who is a lying manipulative actions amost 20 years ago, how could we trust this man with our state. Also in addition it is true that he left his own child (who was newly born) in a car with his wife on the way home from the hospital to attend a fund raiser for the democratic party. Also this man supports a tax hike on all jobs and unfair health care *Obama Care* and wants to promote higher regulations on Obama Care for the state of VA if he is elected. Now ask your self do you want a Governor who will create over 58,000 new jobs in this state, and will help enforce your rights, create more eco friendly energy, help regulate good health care for the poor-middle class, promote job creation within this state, help planned parent hood to become morally good and healthy then vote for Ken Cuccienelli, If not Terry will win and Taxes will be in the 40-60% range, jobs will be tossed from VA, Education will become worse, our roads will still not be fixed, All coal mines will be closed, our gun rights stripped, health care forced on everyone creating more taxes and unfair prices at the doctors office, a man full of corruption for decades. Vote Republican, Ken is nothing like Ted Cruze he is a man of his own and a man for this state a man who is seen as one of the best AG in years in the Uniteded States a man who cares about us all.

It's Over Wrote:
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> You tool. If you have one of Cuccinnelli's most
> ardent supporters essentially conceding defeat,
> then it's all over. And he did not 'bash the
> candidate', you impudent ass. If Cucinnelli can
> overcome a 20 point deficit in the women's vote,
> then more power to him. But he can't - women HATE
> him.

Who Brian? The Fairfax Republican Committee is no one who should be taken seriously. Theyre the same style as the McCains of the world no actual difference from the Dems just a different letter in front of their name. They cant even find someone to beat Connelly who is one of the most embarrassing members of congress.

Liberal women hate him, just like liberals do what a surprise. As has been discussed over and over and over again off year elections have entirely different demographics especially when its only for state wide positions. Terry could win, so could Ken it all depends on who shows up that day. If youre banking on the demographics of 08 or 2012 though they wont resemble those elections in any way.

> People like you are the reason Cucinnelli is
> losing. You and your kind pursue a radical right
> wing agenda with an evangelical zeal bordering on
> insanity. All the while adopting an insufferable
> 'we know what's best for you' attitude.

I do always enjoy irony.

Can you tell me what party is trying to involve the government in every aspect of our lives because people cant be trusted to know whats best for them?

> Virginia does not want your kind in control of our
> lives. Everyone knows that Bolling would have won
> this election if the radical right had not
> circumvented him in a typical sleazy Republican
> manner. You reap what you sow.

What you really mean is youre saying Virginia wants someone in control of their lives to gain massive wealth at their misfortunes while using the state as nothing more than a fund raiser for dems in 2016.

If Terry does in fact win VA should lose its ability to vote in Presidential elections. There is no sleazier politician out there who is the absolute poster child of everything that is wrong with politics. Hes actually one of a hand full of people that makes Connelly look like a good choice by comparison.

FCRC is the largest Republican unit in the Commonwealth. You can choose to not take us seriously, but plenty of folks do. Gerry Connolly is difficult to beat, and after redistricting, the district is even harder to win for Republicans. That we haven't beat him yet is not surprising, and besides - it's not FCRC's job to recruit candidates.

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> FCRC is the largest Republican unit in the
> Commonwealth. You can choose to not take us
> seriously, but plenty of folks do. Gerry Connolly
> is difficult to beat, and after redistricting, the
> district is even harder to win for Republicans.
> That we haven't beat him yet is not surprising,
> and besides - it's not FCRC's job to recruit
> candidates.

Actually thats exactly what the committees job is if youre not getting ones that can win. Considering the track record of Nova those volunteering clearly arent cutting it.

Yet another reason why Dems have been able to increase their influence in the area. They dont just sit back and wait and say not our job. Campaigning is the one area the GOP could learn some lessons from the Dems.

Cooch is the Republican equivalent of Martha Coakley. Google her if your unsure/don't remember who she is.

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Liberal Logic 29 Wrote:
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> BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FCRC is the largest Republican unit in the
> > Commonwealth. You can choose to not take us
> > seriously, but plenty of folks do. Gerry
> Connolly
> > is difficult to beat, and after redistricting,
> the
> > district is even harder to win for Republicans.
> > That we haven't beat him yet is not surprising,
> > and besides - it's not FCRC's job to recruit
> > candidates.
>
> Actually thats exactly what the committees job is
> if youre not getting ones that can win.
> Considering the track record of Nova those
> volunteering clearly arent cutting it.
>
> Yet another reason why Dems have been able to
> increase their influence in the area. They dont
> just sit back and wait and say not our job.
> Campaigning is the one area the GOP could learn
> some lessons from the Dems.


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Liberal Logic 29 Wrote:
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> BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FCRC is the largest Republican unit in the
> > Commonwealth. You can choose to not take us
> > seriously, but plenty of folks do. Gerry
> Connolly
> > is difficult to beat, and after redistricting,
> the
> > district is even harder to win for Republicans.
> > That we haven't beat him yet is not surprising,
> > and besides - it's not FCRC's job to recruit
> > candidates.
>
> Actually thats exactly what the committees job is
> if youre not getting ones that can win.
> Considering the track record of Nova those
> volunteering clearly arent cutting it.
>
> Yet another reason why Dems have been able to
> increase their influence in the area. They dont
> just sit back and wait and say not our job.
> Campaigning is the one area the GOP could learn
> some lessons from the Dems.

LL, the "new" Connolly district is practically unwinnable. Maybe Tom Davis could still win it on the right day, but I doubt it. Redistricting added back in areas that Davis had wanted removed in the 2001 redistricting when he held the seat like the three Reston precincts (some of the most overwhelmingly Democratic precincts in Fairfax County).

It also now snakes down I-95 to pick up PWC's eastern Democratic-heavy precincts in Woodbridge.

When the map was drawn it was pretty much conceded that it would give Connolly a safe seat. The upside was making Frank Wolf's seat pretty safe as well as basically every other Republican in the state.

I don't think it's fair to criticize FCRC for not taking down Connolly in a new, Democratic-heavy district in a Democratic year (2012). If you want to talk about 2010, that's fine. But we almost *did* beat him then. It was, if I remember correctly, under 1,000 votes. And there was also a pretty divisive primary that year between the eventual nominee and Springfield Supervisor Pat Herrity.

RoadMusings_ Wrote:
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> LL, the "new" Connolly district is practically
> unwinnable. Maybe Tom Davis could still win it on
> the right day, but I doubt it. Redistricting added
> back in areas that Davis had wanted removed in the
> 2001 redistricting when he held the seat like the
> three Reston precincts (some of the most
> overwhelmingly Democratic precincts in Fairfax
> County).
>
> It also now snakes down I-95 to pick up PWC's
> eastern Democratic-heavy precincts in Woodbridge.
>
>
> When the map was drawn it was pretty much conceded
> that it would give Connolly a safe seat. The
> upside was making Frank Wolf's seat pretty safe as
> well as basically every other Republican in the
> state.
>
> I don't think it's fair to criticize FCRC for not
> taking down Connolly in a new, Democratic-heavy
> district in a Democratic year (2012). If you want
> to talk about 2010, that's fine. But we almost
> *did* beat him then. It was, if I remember
> correctly, under 1,000 votes. And there was also a
> pretty divisive primary that year between the
> eventual nominee and Springfield Supervisor Pat
> Herrity.

The criticism is really for the past, obviously 2012 it was assumed he would win and really the effort reflects that. 2010 is just embarrassing the same candidate was put forward that had already lost to him recently. In a year Dems dropped left and right during elections we get the same result for one of the bigger lapdogs whose not even a political powerhouse. His own party doesnt even take him seriously, they just like him because he does whatever hes told.

Really its the lack of creativity that gets me more than anything. Connelly is enough of an embarrassment that really anything is an improvement. Recruit a moderate Dem to run against him that may not want to take him on in a primary.

If youre not even going to try though saying its winnable step aside for someone willing to put the effort in. Wolf, Cantor and Goodlatte didnt need any help winning and won in blow outs so what exactly was the effort put into? Incumbent Dems dropped like flys in house that year including 2 in VA.

Republicans are assholes.

Republicans are extreme.

Republicans are irrational.

Republicans are crazy.

Vote for the logical, nice guy who isn't a sociopath by today's standards.

Terry McAuliffe FTW!

In summary Wrote:
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> Republicans are assholes.
>
> Republicans are extreme.
>
> Republicans are irrational.
>
> Republicans are crazy.
>
> Vote for the logical, nice guy who isn't a
> sociopath by today's standards.
>
> Terry McAuliffe FTW!

+1


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At this point, McAuliffe could be a bloated, maggot-filled rotting corpse and still win the election.

Liberal Logic 29 Wrote:
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> RoadMusings_ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > LL, the "new" Connolly district is practically
> > unwinnable. Maybe Tom Davis could still win it
> on
> > the right day, but I doubt it. Redistricting
> added
> > back in areas that hiP Davis had wanted removed in
> the
> > 2001 redistricting when he held the seat like
> the
> > three Reston precincts (some of the most
> > overwhelmingly Democratic precincts in Fairfax
> > County).
> >
> > It also now snakes down I-95 to pick up PWC's
> > eastern Democratic-heavy precincts in
> Woodbridge.
> >
> >
> > When the map was drawn it was pretty much
> conceded
> > that it would give Connolly a safe seat. The
> > upside was making Frank Wolf's seat pretty safe
> as
> > well as basically every other Republican in the
> > state.
> >
> > I don't think it's fair to criticize FCRC for
> not
> > taking down Connolly in a new, Democratic-heavy
> > district in a Democratic year (2012). If you
> want
> > to talk about 2010, that's fine. But we almost
> > *did* beat him then. It was, if I remember
> > correctly, under 1,000 votes. And there was also
> a
> > pretty divisive primary that year between the
> > eventual nominee and Springfield Supervisor Pat
> > Herrity.
>
> The criticism is really for the past, obviously
> 2012 it was assumed he would win and really the
> effort reflects that. 2010 is just embarrassing
> the same candidate was put forward that had
> already lost to him recently. In a year Dems
> dropped left and right during elections we get the
> same result for one of the bigger lapdogs whose
> not even a political powerhouse. His own party
> doesnt even take him seriously, they just like him
> because he does whatever hes told.
>
> Really its the lack of creativity that gets me
> more than anything. Connelly is enough of an
> embarrassment that really anything is an
> improvement. Recruit a moderate Dem to run
> against him that may not want to take him on in a
> primary.
>
> If youre not even going to try though saying its
> winnable step aside for someone willing to put the
> effort in. Wolf, Cantor and Goodlatte didnt need
> any help winning and won in blow outs so what
> exactly was the effort put into? Incumbent Dems
> dropped like flys in house that year including 2
> in VA.


Those people live in favorable districts. Redistricting has all but ensured they'll continue to be in tge hands of the GOP

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BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> He did blow an advantage. Ken was up 10 points on
> McAuliffe as late as July.

Was he really Brian? You pay closer attention to the polls than I do Brian, but I don't recall Cuccinelli's numbers being much above 40%. When he was ahead there were large percentages of supposedly undecided voters. I suspect many of these undecided were already committed to an anti-Cuccinelli position and the question was whether they would vote Democratic, vote Libertarian or stay home.

I still believe though that Cuccinelli will do better than poll numbers suggest. I think there are a number of voters who are strongly anti-Cuccinelli, but who in the end will decide they would prefer him over McAuliffe.

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> While I'm a Bolling fan, I don't know if Bill
> would actually be in any better position than Ken.
> He and Ken have similar voting records, and the
> outside factors of things like the shutdown would
> still be there.

However Cuccinelli was much more "in your face" about his beliefs. This can be beneficial in whipping up support from the base. However when trying to woo more moderate voters a degree of ambiguity helps.

If the Repubs in VA were smart, they'd go back to a primary system.

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If the anti-Cooch voters:

1. Stay Home- benefits Cooch

2. Vote for Sarvis- hurts Cooch

3. Vote for Terry- see #2.

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Got my dates wrong - it was May - but WaPo had Ken over 50% and up 10 points.

Regardless, I think the election will end up being closer than the polls today admit.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2013/governor/va/virginia_governor_cuccinelli_vs_mcauliffe-3033.html#polls

CollegeBoy Wrote:
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> If the Repubs in VA were smart, they'd go back to
> a primary system.


If they want to be a relevant party in the future they will go back to a primary system. With the way he got the nomination, I view Cucc as nothing much more than a thief and the election was essentially decided on the day he was nominated.

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> CollegeBoy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If the Repubs in VA were smart, they'd go back
> to
> > a primary system.
>
>
> If they want to be a relevant party in the future
> they will go back to a primary system. With the
> way he got the nomination, I view Cucc as nothing
> much more than a thief and the election was
> essentially decided on the day he was nominated.

The thing is, Cooch probably would have won a primary (the scant polling that was available showed it). But he would have done it cleanly and honestly. People wouldn't have felt fucked over like they do now.

Also he might have had to confront some of his liabilities. The way his campaign has been run having a warm up couldn't have hurt him...

That Libertarian candidate is really siphoning away votes from Cuccinelli. Robert Sarvis is polling around 8-12%. Assuming that only half of those libertarians actually show up to the polls and vote, that's still 4-6%.. That's not enough for Sarvis to win, but it's enough to tip the scale toward the Democrat.

I think Cuccinelli made an error of getting bogged down in social issues like abortion and gay marriage, when instead he should have been more focused on economics and cutting government spending.

Cuccinelli tried to mitigate his loss of libertarian support by getting the endorsement of Rand Paul. But libertarians are very independant thinking people who don't put much stock in endorsements. They might like Rand Paul but they aren't gonna do something just because Rand Paul endorsed it. Plus, libertarians aren't dumb, they know Rand Paul is only endorsing Cuccinelli because if he wins, then he can count on his support in VA when Rand decides to run for President in 2016.

The good news about Cuccinelli loosing this race is that it will likely lead to a Republican running in the next election who's got the right blend of conservative and libertarian in order to prevent having the Libertarian siphon votes.. Having a tad bit of libertarian in their platform also gives them some cross-party appeal..

Just a thought...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/28/2013 02:46AM by SpeedFx187.