I can't find it anywhere on the page, I guess the reporter did not know?

Is this not an important part of the story- a PREVENTABLE murder- if ICE and DHS did their motherfucking jobs every once in a while... Deported those who are arrested?

Beautiful young woman killed in the prime of her life by a PCP smoking illegal alien (with a butcher knife in his backpack)....

This faggot ass writer Justin Jouvenal cannot find the space on the page to include the fact the killer should NOT have even been in this country. My fucking god I hope that Bezos shitcans this asshole and he finds his righteous place in life working at Starbucks.



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How did you find out he is illegal?



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Ugh the giant caveman Wrote:
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> How did you find out he is illegal?


Oh, I'm just guessing because he's brown and has a Spanish last name.

I asked this in the other thread.. if he was actually illegal. My guess is yes because NBC4 referred to him as:

"an undocumented worker"

Source:

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Closing-Arguments-Expected-Thursday-Afternoon-in-Vanessa-Pham-Murder-Case-220679551.html

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I've seen in other articles that he was also arrested 6-7 years ago as well. If he was "undocumented" ... *illegal* ... then wtf.. the system surely failed us and Vanessa Pham.

Immigration is a tough topic. However, when you're illegal and you've been arrested for a crime .. how the fuck do you justify not enforcing immigration laws at that point? Fuck that. This guy was a documented criminal.

Actually.. fuck me.. 3 seconds of Googling confirms the little shit is illegal:

http://fairfaxcity.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/ice-suspect-in-vanessa-pham-murder-is-in-the-u-s-illegally

http://www.examiner.com/article/illegal-alien-charged-with-college-student-s-murder-va

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"On Dec. 13, the Capital Area Regional Fugitive Task Force, which consists of U.S. Marshals deputies and inspectors, Fairfax County Police detectives and sheriff's deputies and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) Washington, DC Fugitive Operations Unit officers arrested Julio Blanco-Garcia, a citizen and national of Guatemala, in Vienna, Va. on a homicide warrant issued out of Fairfax County, Va. ERO officers placed a detainer on Julio Blanco-Garcia after it was determined that he was in violation of U.S. immigration law."
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Political correctness is still at work I see.

lolwtf2 Wrote:
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> I asked this in the other thread.. if he was
> actually illegal. My guess is yes because NBC4
> referred to him as:
>
> "an undocumented worker"
>
> Source:
>
> http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Closing-Ar
> guments-Expected-Thursday-Afternoon-in-Vanessa-Pha
> m-Murder-Case-220679551.html
>
> ---
>
> I've seen in other articles that he was also
> arrested 6-7 years ago as well. If he was
> "undocumented" ... *illegal* ... then wtf.. the
> system surely failed us and Vanessa Pham.
>
> Immigration is a tough topic. However, when you're
> illegal and you've been arrested for a crime ..
> how the fuck do you justify not enforcing
> immigration laws at that point? Fuck that. This
> guy was a documented criminal.


Exactly.

Could have saved Vanessa's life, could have saved Chandra Levy's life by simply deporting illegals already arrested for crimes.

idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam



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You people make me puke.

This area runs of the sweat of illegal workers...can't bite the hand that feeds when little Johnny needs to go to private preschool and mommy needs a new range rover.

The fact that he's an illegal does not support their leftwing agenda of welcoming criminals with open borders and free stuff. Libs are in denial at the fact that their policies actively encourage violent criminals.

Rounding up every illegal would be next to impossible.


Deporting the ones who get busted for other offenses is a no-brainer.

Take up a collection. I don't want MY taxes paying for such nonsense.

Fuck our local leaders for turning a blind eye.



The illegal alien murderer of Vanessa Pham
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2013

Why is gun control the only policy we’re allowed to discuss when horrific murders occur? In the liberal mindset, “root causes” of crime begin and end with the Second Amendment. But who pays the price when our public guardians fail to secure our borders, refuse to deport serial criminal offenders, and enable drug-crazed menaces to prey upon innocent citizens?

Meet 27-year-old Julio Miguel Blanco-Garcia. An illegal alien from Guatemala, he has lived and worked in Fairfax County, Va., for at least 11 years. The region is a notorious “sanctuary” for immigration law-breakers where elected officials and big business look the other way for cheap labor and cheap votes.

When he wasn’t working illegally as a construction worker in the government-fueled Boomtown ‘burb or getting himself high on drugs, Blanco-Garcia was building up a lengthy rap sheet. According to Fairfax County court records cited by the Fairfax City Patch.com, Blanco-Garcia has been arrested for:

–Public swearing/intoxication in March 2010.

–Petit larceny in September 2011.

–Concealment/Price alteration of merchandise in April 2012.

With the feds granting blanket amnesty waivers by administrative fiat and refusing to fix the deportation abyss, coupled with brazen “don’t ask, don’t tell” sanctuary policies by local officials, Blanco-Garcia managed to escape detention and deportation for more than a decade. In December 2012, the Capital Area Regional Fugitive Task Force (which includes U.S. Marshals staff, Fairfax County police, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and D.C. fugitive operations officers) finally caught up with Blanco-Garcia. They detained him after determining “that he was in violation of U.S. immigration law.”

But it was too late for 19-year-old college freshman Vanessa Pham. In July 2010, the bubbly art student’s decision to be a Good Samaritan to open-borders beneficiary Blanco-Garcia cost her life. After getting her nails done at a Fairfax Plaza salon, she encountered the illegal alien and his infant daughter in the parking lot. Blanco-Garcia was strung out on $400 worth of PCP.

According to prosecutors, he asked Pham to take him to the hospital. She let the man and his baby into her car. When Pham took a wrong turn, Blanco-Garcia turned on her — stabbing her more than a dozen times with a knife he was carrying. She veered into a ditch; he coldly wiped her blood off of his hands with a baby wipe and clambered out of the sunroof with the child.

Cops found the blade of the murder weapon, with the killer’s DNA, under Pham’s seat. But for nearly three years, her friends and family agonized as the DNA remained unidentified and the case unsolved. The investigative break? Illegal alien Blanco-Garcia continued his criminal havoc — surprise, surprise — and attempted to steal several bottles of champagne from a local grocery store. He was convicted of larceny in April 2012. By December, law enforcement had tied his fingerprints to Pham’s murder. Blanco-Garcia’s trial begins next week.

True to form, the whitewash media have ignored Blanco-Garcia’s immigration status and the public policy implications of our government’s systemic, bipartisan refusal to enforce the laws already on the books. The Washington Post (which employed illegal alien reporter turned amnesty activist Jose Antonio Vargas for years and glorified the amnesty mob marches in 2006 and 2007) conveniently failed to mention Blanco-Garcia’s illegal alien status. Some crimes are more equal than others.

According to immigration activists pushing to grant Guatemala “temporary protected status” — a de facto amnesty program run by the Department of Homeland Security that confers permanent residency, taxpayer subsidies and preferential employment treatment to line-jumpers, border-crossers and visa overstayers — there are approximately 1.7 million Guatemalans in the U.S. A whopping 60 percent of them, like Blanco-Garcia, are here illegally.

That’s on top of the jaw-dropping backlog of 500,000-plus fugitive deportees who had their day in immigration court, were ordered to leave the country and then were released and absconded into the ether.

And that’s on top of 1 million-plus visa holders whom the feds have lost track of because Congress never bothered to fulfill its legislative mandate to create a functioning entry-exit system — something Washington has promised to do six times over the past 17 years.

The horrific murder of Vanessa Pham was 100 percent preventable. Blanco-Garcia never should have been here in the first place. After each encounter with law enforcement, he should have been detained, deported and kept out. For good.

I repeat: We spend billions of dollars on homeland security, but our government can’t even track and deport repeat convicted criminal aliens. These are not the well-meaning “newcomers” who just want to “pursue economic opportunities” by “doing the jobs no one else will do.” These are foreign-born thugs, druggies, sex offenders, murderers and repeat drunk drivers who are destroying the American Dream.

If our immigration and entrance system cannot effectively monitor, detain and kick out known American Destroyers, how can amnesty-peddling politicians in either party be trusted to provide for the common defense of law-abiding citizens pursuing the American Dream?

Michelle Fucking Malkin??? You've REALLY been it hard, haven't you!

Really??? Wrote:
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> Michelle Fucking Malkin??? You've REALLY been it
> hard, haven't you!


Really?


Really?


What is factually incorrect about the article by Malkin?


Lemme know, would ya?

When the truth undermines your indefensible, insane agenda, go after the messenger.

Yes, really, really really, you mindless, strung-out, ignoramus. In hindsight, all murders are "100 percent preventable". Also all kidnappings, bank robberies, and incidents of parking in front of a fire hydrant. Total dim bulbs are the people Malkin writes for, and she's obviously hit the motherload when it comes to you.

Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> Yes, really, really really, you mindless,
> strung-out, ignoramus. In hindsight, all murders
> are "100 percent preventable". Also all
> kidnappings, bank robberies, and incidents of
> parking in front of a fire hydrant. Total dim
> bulbs are the people Malkin writes for, and she's
> obviously hit the motherload when it comes to you.


You still haven't put together any semblance of an argument that makes any sense.. just rhetoric and apparently a quote that is from who knows where.

First, being against *illegal* immigrants that commits crime is not racist. There's a ton of racism and racist comments on this site but anonymous shit heads, but this thread and the others on the murder Julio haven't had much of it. The points in this thread in particular seem fairly reasonable.

Tell me where I go wrong here:

- Illegal immigrant .. here *illegally* .. breaking the law already.
- Illegal immigrant commits a crime for which he is arrested by U.S. law enforcement.
- Illegal immigrant is not deported and barely gets a slap on the wrist.

What happens next? It's somewhat logical that illegal immigrants would not be too worried about committing additional crimes at this point. They might not have much to lose and are now emboldened by not even really being punished for crimes they have committed.

This basically leads to either 1) illegal realizing they fucked up and getting on the right path or 2) just pushes them further down the criminal path with nothing to lose.

If we enforced immigration laws -- which by the way .. are laws and not just random hippy opinions on a message board .. we wouldn't have anywhere near as many repeat offenders and escalation in criminal activity that we keep seeing from repeat offenders that we could otherwise deport. The US has plenty of scum bag criminals of its own but you can't deport them, you have to deal with them. With these people we have the ability to deal with them by removing them from our society.

Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> Yes, really, really really, you mindless,
> strung-out, ignoramus. In hindsight, all murders
> are "100 percent preventable". Also all
> kidnappings, bank robberies, and incidents of
> parking in front of a fire hydrant. Total dim
> bulbs are the people Malkin writes for, and she's
> obviously hit the motherload when it comes to you.


In other words, you can't really dispute what she's written.

As typical, you're as ignorant as those who you try to criticize. You blindly support your side, well, because... And mostly because you've been conditioned to defend ANYTHING which threatens some tenent of your ideology by the Malkins on your side.

Seriously, how can anyone dispute that the guy should not have been here and that the system failed due to political motives with dire consequences for Pham.

lolwtf2 Wrote:
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> Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yes, really, really really, you mindless,
> > strung-out, ignoramus. In hindsight, all
> murders
> > are "100 percent preventable". Also all
> > kidnappings, bank robberies, and incidents of
> > parking in front of a fire hydrant. Total dim
> > bulbs are the people Malkin writes for, and
> she's
> > obviously hit the motherload when it comes to
> you.
>
>
> You still haven't put together any semblance of an
> argument that makes any sense.. just rhetoric and
> apparently a quote that is from who knows where.
>
> First, being against *illegal* immigrants that
> commits crime is not racist. There's a ton of
> racism and racist comments on this site but
> anonymous shit heads, but this thread and the
> others on the murder Julio haven't had much of it.
> The points in this thread in particular seem
> fairly reasonable.
>
> Tell me where I go wrong here:
>
> - Illegal immigrant .. here *illegally* ..
> breaking the law already.
> - Illegal immigrant commits a crime for which he
> is arrested by U.S. law enforcement.
> - Illegal immigrant is not deported and barely
> gets a slap on the wrist.
>
> What happens next? It's somewhat logical that
> illegal immigrants would not be too worried about
> committing additional crimes at this point. They
> might not have much to lose and are now emboldened
> by not even really being punished for crimes they
> have committed.
>
> This basically leads to either 1) illegal
> realizing they fucked up and getting on the right
> path or 2) just pushes them further down the
> criminal path with nothing to lose.
>
> If we enforced immigration laws -- which by the
> way .. are laws and not just random hippy opinions
> on a message board .. we wouldn't have anywhere
> near as many repeat offenders and escalation in
> criminal activity that we keep seeing from repeat
> offenders that we could otherwise deport. The US
> has plenty of scum bag criminals of its own but
> you can't deport them, you have to deal with them.
> With these people we have the ability to deal with
> them by removing them from our society.


+1


Here's the sad part, asking for deportation of criminal aliens like Blanco is considered racist or bigoted by todays cultural and media standards.

Want illegals who commit crimes deported? In the eyes of the libtards you have committed an unpardonable sin. This causes discomfort with libatard politicians, libtard educators and the libtard press.

Vanessa Pham I'm guessing, is the daughter of immigrants, legal ones. That someone who did it right DIES at the hand of someone our system lacked the courage to deport is a slap in the fucking face.

Malkin is a race-baiter. You people are the racist fools and dim bulbs who gobble up the bait. Illegals are no more of a "risk" than you are. Probably less of one in most cases.

Vanessa Pham is dead. She's not aware of anything at all any more. Has no one explained to you how that works? All that's on the table here are phony emotional rants and excesses whipped up by a low-grade right-wing race-baiter in the heads of some really well-below-average intellects.

Troll better, troll smarter....

Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> Malkin is a race-baiter. You people are the
> racist fools and dim bulbs who gobble up the bait.
> Illegals are no more of a "risk" than you are.
> Probably less of one in most cases.


Despite what you've been conditioned to believe, facts aren't "racist." You can like Malkin or whoever or not but that doesn't change the facts of the case. And any objective look at rates of involvement in criminal activity, gangs, arrests, etc., will prove you wrong. But you won't believe that or even look because you're too "smart" to have gobbled up any bait that's been fed to you.

WingNut Wrote:
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> Troll better, troll smarter....

You've been played like a fiddle. Just appeal to your inner-racist, and you can be led to anything. Have a nice day in Loserville...

Mr. Kettle Wrote:
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>
> Despite what you've been conditioned to believe,
> facts aren't "racist." You can like Malkin or
> whoever or not but that doesn't change the facts
> of the case. And any objective look at rates of
> involvement in criminal activity, gangs, arrests,
> etc., will prove you wrong. But you won't believe
> that or even look because you're too "smart" to
> have gobbled up any bait that's been fed to you.

LOL! You're a dumbass enabler! Malkin merely cherry-picks the facts she decides to present and then does her usual racist cheerleading over them. Only simpletons, dolts, and dullards fall for this sort of nonsense. Murders and other actual crimes are actually committed by all sorts of people. Immigrants, whether documented or not, do not commit actual crimes at actual rates that are lesser or greater than those actually seen in other groups. But theirs are the only ones that the useless trash-bitch Malkin goes off about. I wonder why. You apparently don't, which says quite a bit right there.

So are you saying that illegal aliens who commit crimes should not be deported?

We have criminal codes that deal with criminal acts. Everyone convicted under those statutes is punished under the same standards. Immigration law is a separate matter. Those laws DO NOT call for deportation over minor criminal offenses. You and your vigilante pals are merely seeking to act as a racist lynch mob here. So admirable!

Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> We have criminal codes that deal with criminal
> acts. Everyone convicted under those statutes is
> punished under the same standards. Immigration
> law is a separate matter. Those laws DO NOT call
> for deportation over minor criminal offenses. You
> and your vigilante pals are merely seeking to act
> as a racist lynch mob here. So admirable!

Dude, it's MULTIPLE minor criminal offenses. Honestly, I'm all for people wanting to come here for a better life, documents or no. But when you've got no green card and you've proven yourself to be a repeat offender, it's time to go.

Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> Mr. Kettle Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Despite what you've been conditioned to
> believe,
> > facts aren't "racist." You can like Malkin or
> > whoever or not but that doesn't change the
> facts
> > of the case. And any objective look at rates
> of
> > involvement in criminal activity, gangs,
> arrests,
> > etc., will prove you wrong. But you won't
> believe
> > that or even look because you're too "smart" to
> > have gobbled up any bait that's been fed to
> you.
>
> LOL! You're a dumbass enabler! Malkin merely
> cherry-picks the facts she decides to present and
> then does her usual racist cheerleading over them.
> Only simpletons, dolts, and dullards fall for
> this sort of nonsense. Murders and other actual
> crimes are actually committed by all sorts of
> people. Immigrants, whether documented or not, do
> not commit actual crimes at actual rates that are
> lesser or greater than those actually seen in
> other groups. But theirs are the only ones that
> the useless trash-bitch Malkin goes off about. I
> wonder why. You apparently don't, which says
> quite a bit right there.


No, I'm not. I look at the facts independent of any particular ideology. Apparently, you don't. Trying to simply laugh them off and dismiss them on the basis of source doesn't really help your case.

I'd suggest that you go look at the actual data regarding criminal activities by illegals outside of any advocacy or talking point sites, e.g.:

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11187.pdf

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-05-646R

If you want to look, which I know that you don't, you'll also find similar independent, objective data showing much higher rates of involvement in gang-related activities, drunk driving accidents, etc., etc.

Like I said, you're as much of a simpleton as you accuse those on the other side of being. Being blind to facts works the same way on either side regardless how noble you may think your ideology is.

Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> We have criminal codes that deal with criminal
> acts. Everyone convicted under those statutes is
> punished under the same standards. Immigration
> law is a separate matter. Those laws DO NOT call
> for deportation over minor criminal offenses. You
> and your vigilante pals are merely seeking to act
> as a racist lynch mob here. So admirable!


Actually, they do. They're just not enforced.

So to you, criminal law should be enforced, but immigration law should not. Interesting perspective. You are right, "those laws" don't call for deportation over minor criminal offenses -- they call for deportation of ANYONE in the country illegally and barring them from entering again for a period of time. We don't enforce those laws very often, but some on here are suggesting the *outrageous* proposition that we enforce immigration law for repeat criminal offenders. But according to you and others who share your political bias, this is "racist." Apparently the people on here are all "racist" in favor of Asians, but against Guatemalans -- after all, if we are all white racists like you assume, we shouldn't care when one minority kills another. Or, perhaps more likely, maybe we just don't want people in this country (and county) who get high on PCP and repeatedly stab a defenseless teenager to death.

If you don't like the law, then by all means express that opinion -- but don't attempt to distort what the law says to further your political agenda.


Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> We have criminal codes that deal with criminal
> acts. Everyone convicted under those statutes is
> punished under the same standards. Immigration
> law is a separate matter. Those laws DO NOT call
> for deportation over minor criminal offenses. You
> and your vigilante pals are merely seeking to act
> as a racist lynch mob here. So admirable!

Yes cause once an illegal alien is deported, he/she nevers makes their way back to commit more crimes. Your brillant..

Mind your business

As a person who typically votes democrat and a person who was abducted butally raped by two illegal immigrants when I was 16, I am torn on this. I was supposed to end up like Ms. Pham, but somehow I escaped. I know this area is built on the sweat of cheap labor (and it's from them), but as person who lives in the 7 corners area and a person whose boyfriend hires people of questionable immigration status at his restaurant I see the delicate balance that this issue brings to the area. Republicans see them to be exploited and democrats see them as humans no matter the horrors they commit or the waste they lay around them. The issue is too great for one answer. Netiher sweeping amnesty or comprehensive deportation is the answer. But for me, I can no longer go to the 7-11 alone in the Culmore area.

Countless Murders Wrote:
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> Libs are in denial at
> the fact that their policies actively encourage
> violent criminals.

They know that, its what they want. They need blood shed to justify more government control and with enough gun violence they can try and ban those too giving them their ultimate government controlled state where the ruling elite can do whatever they want and the rest of us are just here to serve them.

If we could just get the niggers to start killing illegals we could solve 2 problems.

Stabitha Wrote:
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> If we could just get the niggers to start killing
> illegals we could solve 2 problems.


It is idiots like you who are part of the problem.

Illegals who commit crimes should be fast tracked to deportation, but liberals will always point to stupid racists like you as the voice of the opposition.

Mr. Kettle Wrote:
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>
> No, I'm not. I look at the facts independent of
> any particular ideology.

Horseshit!

> Apparently, you don't. Trying to simply laugh them off
> and dismiss them on the basis of source doesn't really
> help your case.

Michelle Malkin is not a source. She'a scum-sucking professional race-baiter.

> I'd suggest that you go look at the actual data
> regarding criminal activities by illegals outside
> of any advocacy or talking point sites, e.g.:
> http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11187.pdf
> http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-05-646R
>

LKOL!!! Typical asswipe. The first study looks at aliens in general -- 60% of whom it says are here perfectly legally. And the second looks at illegal aliens who are already in prison. What a shock to lean that just like freaking native-born white asswipes in prison, aliens in prisons tend to have a record of multiple prior convictions for something. You seriously needed GAO to tell you that??? What a joke!!!

> If you want to look, which I know that you don't,
> you'll also find similar independent, objective
> data showing much higher rates of involvement in
> gang-related activities, drunk driving accidents,
> etc., etc.
>

No, I'd find that regardless of immigration status, immigrants are convicted and incarcerated at rates that are statitically indistinguishable from those of the population in general.

> Like I said, you're as much of a simpleton as you
> accuse those on the other side of being. Being
> blind to facts works the same way on either side
> regardless how noble you may think your ideology
> is.

Hardly. You're just a know-nothing blowhard bigot. Dime-a-dozen racist asswipe. Congratulations.

If I had an illegal son.......

Wrong again Wrote:
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> Actually, they do. They're just not enforced.

No, actually they dont, and criminal and immigration law are separate matters, as they apparently do not teach at your elementary school.

factcheck Wrote:
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> So to you, criminal law should be enforced, but
> immigration law should not. Interesting
> perspective.

Get a grip. While distinct, both crimnal and immigration law should be and are enforced. But you don't get to pick one from Column A and one from Column B. If you want a criminal penalty, bring a criminal charge and obtain a conviction. If you want a civil penalty, convene an immigration hearing and present what you think is your evidence.


> You are right, "those laws" don't call for deportation
> over minor criminal offenses -- they call for deportation
> of ANYONE in the country illegally and barring them from
> entering > again for a period of time.

Bwahahahaha! They do no such thing. Oh, and you all get called RACISTS because you are overtly RACIST. Not that you'll lose any sleep over it.

fox Wrote:
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> But for me, I can no longer go to the 7-11 alone in the
> Culmore area.

I just wanted to point out that it has never been such a bright idea to be out alone anywhere in Culmore, especially not after dark. That said, the area is probably nicer and safer today than it has been in decades. Just sayin'.

Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> Wrong again Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Actually, they do. They're just not enforced.
>
> No, actually they dont, and criminal and
> immigration law are separate matters, as they
> apparently do not teach at your elementary school.


No, they are not. The law does not establish or distinguish some separate, isolated immigration statutes (or any other types of laws beyond civil/criminal, felonies, etc.) Criminal convictions can and clearly do do trigger deportations under the law. That includes things as simple as driving without a license, shoplifting, or other misdemeanors. In fact, as hard as I know that it may be for you to believe, the simple act of attempting to enter or being here illegally is a criminal act and provides enough basis for deportation and which also is done. The only saving factor at a practical level being prosecutorial discretion in enforcement.

What a shocker. You mean the media is slanting a story to push an agenda?

Wow, who woulda thunk it. The WaPo has a commie agenda? Next you'll be trying to tell us that Benghaze wasn't really about that horrid Internet video. You must be a FauxNews watcher. Haha, get it? FauxNews. Ain't I funny?

 
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Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> Mr. Kettle Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > No, I'm not. I look at the facts independent
> of
> > any particular ideology.
>
> Horseshit!
>
> > Apparently, you don't. Trying to simply laugh
> them off
> > and dismiss them on the basis of source doesn't
> really
> > help your case.
>
> Michelle Malkin is not a source. She'a
> scum-sucking professional race-baiter.

We get it. You don't like Malkin.

Now deal with what she said. Was he here illegally? Did he have prior arrests and convictions? If the law was enforced as it should have been would he have been here to kill Pham?


>
> > I'd suggest that you go look at the actual data
> > regarding criminal activities by illegals
> outside
> > of any advocacy or talking point sites, e.g.:
> > http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11187.pdf
> > http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-05-646R
> >
>
> LKOL!!! Typical asswipe. The first study looks
> at aliens in general -- 60% of whom it says are
> here perfectly legally.

Sorry, I should have realized that you can't do any analysis beyond talking points and being told what to think and shouldn't have provided something that complicated. If you're read beyond the first paragraphs then you'd realize that they break out much of it for SCAAP illegal aliens, i.e., "noncitizens whom ICE verified were illegally in the United States at the time of incarceration and for whom state and local jurisdictions received federal reimbursement through SCAAP."

Furthermore, this represents only a sub-set of all illegals since that only includes those in the system, reported, and verified. Despite that, they are disproportionately represented versus their numbers in the Federal inmate population at 27%, and, even assuming your 60/40 illegal assumption (which I believe you probably misread from the 14.5 million of papered versus 10.8 million non-papered persons in the general population versus inmates). Given that about 68% are Mexican, they in particular are very much over represented.


> And the second looks at
> illegal aliens who are already in prison. What a
> shock to lean that just like freaking native-born
> white asswipes in prison, aliens in prisons tend
> to have a record of multiple prior convictions for
> something. You seriously needed GAO to tell you
> that??? What a joke!!!

Over a lifetime possibly so; however, the length of presence in the US and in front of the US justice system would be significantly less in the case of most illegals so, even accepting your argument that they are the same, then that would indicate a much higher rate over time. It also does not include other offenses which may have been committed in their home countries. It further under counts given that in many cases those caught are handled through deportation or otherwise returned versus jailed.


>
> > If you want to look, which I know that you
> don't,
> > you'll also find similar independent, objective
> > data showing much higher rates of involvement
> in
> > gang-related activities, drunk driving
> accidents,
> > etc., etc.
> >
>
> No, I'd find that regardless of immigration
> status, immigrants are convicted and incarcerated
> at rates that are statitically indistinguishable
> from those of the population in general.

Then post something from an independent, objective source that supports your case instead of more of your bullshit.

Here, like this. I can do it all day long:

Positive statisitical correlation between illegal immigration and violent crime in border states.

http://ideas.repec.org/p/fip/feddwp/03-03.html


>
> > Like I said, you're as much of a simpleton as
> you
> > accuse those on the other side of being. Being
> > blind to facts works the same way on either
> side
> > regardless how noble you may think your
> ideology
> > is.
>
> Hardly. You're just a know-nothing blowhard
> bigot. Dime-a-dozen racist asswipe.
> Congratulations.


Given that I'm half Hispanic that would be unusual. But then I'm not Mexican so it must be that I'm just a bigoted Hispanic hating on those lowly wetbacks huh? lol

Don't Get it Wrote:
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> So are you saying that illegal aliens who commit
> crimes should not be deported?


YES

It is simple economics:

1. We do not have the money to deport
2. We do not fund the border to stop anyone from coming in
3. ANY person we deport can, and will, return in about a week

So, tell me why we would bother paying or this endless cycle?

Remember, I am not asking what political party you are for or against - just why would we put in the money, time and man power to do something so useless?



IF the border was secure - then yes, but it is not at all.

Add to that this question:

Of all the violent illegals, would you really choose one who has this on their record? -

–Public swearing/intoxication in March 2010.

–Petit larceny in September 2011.

–Concealment/Price alteration of merchandise in April 2012.

No, you would want more violent illegals to be deported first.

Calling all asswipes - ad hominem attacks are not persuasive. By way of example, I read Michelle Malkin, and do so critically. I find her shrill, but on this point, it is difficult to disagree with her. By your reasoning, this makes me stupid, but the reality is that you are nowhere, and I mean nowhere, as educated as I happen to be - having completed difficult courses of study at two of the best schools in the nation, undergraduate and graduate (think way, way higher ranked than a place, like, let's say, UVA, so with any social context, you get the picture). You would not last ten minutes with the academic crowd I ran with - sure, most were effete, wimpy progressive posers, but they were smart, and at least had the potential for analytic depth. The problem the Vanessa Pham cases presents is that the crime was preventable, and given his criminal history and capacity to use scant social welfare resources, any country with rational immigration policy should had Blanco-Garcia deported as a matter of course.

The challenge I have with thinkers in your vein is that it always about the narrative, and never about the facts. Virtually nothing, including a pretty ugly murder committed by an undocumented person who frankly should not have been here, interrupts the meme. There are sympathetic immigration cases; this clearly is not one of them.

The unfortunate fall-out of this kind of thinking is that connections which are susceptible to being made are rarely made, particulary when progressive, morally superior soundbites govern and control over facts and eminently plausible cause and effect relationships. Take economics and immigration. Senator Warren, a darling of the left, quite accurately and adroitly points out that given the rise in GDP the last 40 years, the minimum wage for people with entry market skills should be $14. Of course, she fails to mention that the reason for this is not some Koch Brothers conspiracy, but the forceful impact of global competition, particularly China. These nations have created productivity gains of immense magnitude, and as a result, entry level wages have collapsed. Cast aside for the purposes of discussion whether we should have imposed protectionist measures (although they rarely work for non-transitory periods). The last thing, and the very last thing we would want to do in the face of a collapsing entry level labor market is to adopt the immigration practices that we have adopted. Permitting millions of low wage and unskilled people puts tremendous pressure on the lower end of the labor market - people - at least according to my progressive friends - who need it most. Throw in the fact that illegal aliens, like every other group of people, commit crimes - sometimes violent - and there is a whole slew of bad policies to legitimately complain about. In fact, there should be discussion over these difficult issues, and certainly without reactionary and emotionally gooey invocations of racism.

I understand you may think I may be, what is your term, an "asswipe" for disagreeing with you, and even worse, reading Michelle Malkin. But I find that hard to digest from someone who has, at least in my perspective (as is evident from your posts), a limited education, and one that appears to reflect an experience of indoctrination rather than that of critical thinking.

Cheers.

D9jJj Wrote:
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> No, they are not. The law does not establish or
> distinguish some separate, isolated immigration
> statutes (or any other types of laws beyond
> civil/criminal, felonies, etc.)

No, cases under immigration law are all heard before an immigration judge in one of 55 immigration courts around the country. These are not criminal procedures. Live and learn, eh?

> In fact, as hard as I know that it may be for you
> to believe, the simple act of attempting to enter or
> being here illegally is a criminal act and provides
> enough basis for deportation and which also is done.

Want to cite a federal statute for that? I'll wait...

reality checkk Wrote:
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> Don't Get it Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So are you saying that illegal aliens who
> commit
> > crimes should not be deported?
>
>
> YES
>
> It is simple economics:
>
> 1. We do not have the money to deport
> 2. We do not fund the border to stop anyone from
> coming in
> 3. ANY person we deport can, and will, return in
> about a week
>
> So, tell me why we would bother paying or this
> endless cycle?
>
> Remember, I am not asking what political party you
> are for or against - just why would we put in the
> money, time and man power to do something so
> useless?
>
>
>
> IF the border was secure - then yes, but it is not
> at all.
>
> Add to that this question:
>
> Of all the violent illegals, would you really
> choose one who has this on their record? -
>
> –Public swearing/intoxication in March 2010.
>
> –Petit larceny in September 2011.
>
> –Concealment/Price alteration of merchandise in
> April 2012.
>
> No, you would want more violent illegals to be
> deported first.


No one will answer this, they can not...they will continue to avoid the reality by posting about who they read or agree with - pathetic!

Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> D9jJj Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No, they are not. The law does not establish
> or
> > distinguish some separate, isolated immigration
> > statutes (or any other types of laws beyond
> > civil/criminal, felonies, etc.)
>
> No, cases under immigration law are all heard
> before an immigration judge in one of 55
> immigration courts around the country. These are
> not criminal procedures. Live and learn, eh?

So you cant go to jail for being in front of an immigration judge?

Garcia was not on trial for his illegal status, he was only on trial for the murder of Ms Pham. Unfortunately, his illegal drug use and also being in this country illegally were not taken into consideration here. He was only on trial for murder, that's probably why the Wash Post ignored reporting Garcia is an illegal alien.

Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> D9jJj Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No, they are not. The law does not establish
> or
> > distinguish some separate, isolated immigration
> > statutes (or any other types of laws beyond
> > civil/criminal, felonies, etc.)
>
> No, cases under immigration law are all heard
> before an immigration judge in one of 55
> immigration courts around the country. These are
> not criminal procedures. Live and learn, eh?

*sigh* Are you really that simple or are you just trying to be right in a forum argument?

Obviously immigration matters may be. That does not mean that other civil/criminal actions are somehow excluded from those proceedings as you indicated in saying that they were completely "separate matters." An arrest/conviction certainly would be considered within the scope of immigration matters. In fact, it may be the reason for the appearance given implications as they may affect immigration status.

Go figure...


>
> > In fact, as hard as I know that it may be for
> you
> > to believe, the simple act of attempting to
> enter or
> > being here illegally is a criminal act and
> provides
> > enough basis for deportation and which also is
> done.
>
> Want to cite a federal statute for that? I'll
> wait...

USC › Title 8 › Chapter 12 › Subchapter II › Part VIII › § 1325

8 USC § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

Current through Pub. L. 113-31. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts Any alien who

(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or

(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or

(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties

Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—

(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or

(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.

(c) Marriage fraud

Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.

(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud

Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

reality checkk Wrote:
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> Don't Get it Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So are you saying that illegal aliens who
> commit
> > crimes should not be deported?
>
>
> YES
>
> It is simple economics:
>
> 1. We do not have the money to deport
> 2. We do not fund the border to stop anyone from
> coming in
> 3. ANY person we deport can, and will, return in
> about a week
>
> So, tell me why we would bother paying or this
> endless cycle?
>
> Remember, I am not asking what political party you
> are for or against - just why would we put in the
> money, time and man power to do something so
> useless?
>
>
>
> IF the border was secure - then yes, but it is not
> at all.
>
> Add to that this question:
>
> Of all the violent illegals, would you really
> choose one who has this on their record? -
>
> –Public swearing/intoxication in March 2010.
>
> –Petit larceny in September 2011.
>
> –Concealment/Price alteration of merchandise in
> April 2012.
>
> No, you would want more violent illegals to be
> deported first.

It does not matter what the law is now, what the law should be that any illegal convicted of a crime in the country be deported.

Mr. Kettle Wrote:
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> We get it. You don't like Malkin.

I've never met her. Her published writings however mark he as a lying, scum-sucking race-baiter which is why many posters here -- racists themselves in many cases -- simply adore her.

> Now deal with what she said. Was he here
> illegally? Did he have prior arrests and
> convictions? If the law was enforced as it should
> have been would he have been here to kill Pham?

Where were all these failures to enforce the law? The laws you want enforced don't actually exist. They are products of your imagination.

> Sorry, I should have realized that you can't do
> any analysis beyond talking points and being told
> what to think and shouldn't have provided
> something that complicated.

What you should have done is your homework, but you didn't. And the GAO studies cited are perfectly straight-forward in NOT supporting or substantiating your racist claims.

> If you're read beyond the first paragraphs then
> you'd realize that they break out much of it for
> SCAAP illegal aliens, i.e., "noncitizens whom ICE
> verified were illegally in the United States at
> the time of incarceration...

One of the reasons why you plainly meet the definition of an asswipe is that you fail to understand that "at the time of incarceration" means they are already in prison. As noted above, just like your hordes of typical native-born white people already in prison, they tend to have significant records of prior convictions. That's all your meaningless data show, but you are so carried away by the emoptions of your racist prejudices that you don't notice the fact.

> Furthermore, this represents only a sub-set of all
> illegals since that only includes those in the
> system, reported, and verified. Despite that,
> they are disproportionately represented versus
> their numbers in the Federal inmate population at
> 27%, and, even assuming your 60/40 illegal
> assumption (which I believe you probably misread
> from the 14.5 million of papered versus 10.8
> million non-papered persons in the general
> population versus inmates). Given that about 68%
> are Mexican, they in particular are very much over
> represented.
>

LOL! Numbers being mangled. You have no future as a statistician.

> Then post something from an independent, objective
> source that supports your case instead of more of
> your bullshit. Here, like this. I can do it all
> day long: Positive statisitical correlation between
> illegal immigration and violent crime in border states.
> http://ideas.repec.org/p/fip/feddwp/03-03.html

Poor little asswipe. This is what your independent objective study actually finds...

"Border crime rates lie consistently below the national average. In the 1990s, however, while there was a large decline in property-related crime along the U.S.-Mexico border, violent crime rates began to converge to the national average. At the same time, legal and illegal immigration from Mexico surged and border enforcement rose to unprecedented levels. In this paper, we investigate the relationship between border county crime rates, immigration and enforcement since the early 1990s. We find that while the volume of illegal immigration is not related to changes in property-related crime, there is a significant positive correlation with the incidence of violent crime. This is most likely due to extensive smuggling activity along the border. Border enforcement meanwhile is significantly negatively related to crime rates. The bad news is that the deterrent effect of the border patrol diminishes over this time period, and the net impact of more enforcement on border crime since the late 1990s is zero."

I guess you think the presence of murderous drug gangs and cartels along the border is not actually signficant. Only an asswipe could think that.

And by the way, light- and dark-skinned blacks long had problems with each other. You can't hide bigotry once it's in your heart.

reality checkk Wrote:
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> Don't Get it Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So are you saying that illegal aliens who
> commit
> > crimes should not be deported?
>
>
> YES
>
> It is simple economics:
>
> 1. We do not have the money to deport
> 2. We do not fund the border to stop anyone from
> coming in
> 3. ANY person we deport can, and will, return in
> about a week
>
> So, tell me why we would bother paying or this
> endless cycle?
>
> Remember, I am not asking what political party you
> are for or against - just why would we put in the
> money, time and man power to do something so
> useless?
>
>
>
> IF the border was secure - then yes, but it is not
> at all.
>
> Add to that this question:
>
> Of all the violent illegals, would you really
> choose one who has this on their record? -
>
> –Public swearing/intoxication in March 2010.
>
> –Petit larceny in September 2011.
>
> –Concealment/Price alteration of merchandise in
> April 2012.
>
> No, you would want more violent illegals to be
> deported first.

As all should recall, Gary Condit, of the porn music voicemail mailbox fame, was exhonorated for the murder of Chandra Levy in Rock Creek. A dirty OTM, Other Than Mexican, from Central America murdered Chandra Levy.

Stop illegal immigration! We have enough freaks here already.

4kkNj Wrote:
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> reality checkk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Don't Get it Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > So are you saying that illegal aliens who
> > commit
> > > crimes should not be deported?
> >
> >
> > YES
> >
> > It is simple economics:
> >
> > 1. We do not have the money to deport
> > 2. We do not fund the border to stop anyone
> from
> > coming in
> > 3. ANY person we deport can, and will, return
> in
> > about a week
> >
> > So, tell me why we would bother paying or this
> > endless cycle?
> >
> > Remember, I am not asking what political party
> you
> > are for or against - just why would we put in
> the
> > money, time and man power to do something so
> > useless?
> >
> >
> >
> > IF the border was secure - then yes, but it is
> not
> > at all.
> >
> > Add to that this question:
> >
> > Of all the violent illegals, would you really
> > choose one who has this on their record? -
> >
> > –Public swearing/intoxication in March 2010.
> >
> > –Petit larceny in September 2011.
> >
> > –Concealment/Price alteration of merchandise
> in
> > April 2012.
> >
> > No, you would want more violent illegals to be
> > deported first.


Moron,

In El Paso, three prosecutors and two judges have been murdered as the consequence of scum from Ciudad, Mexico that have come over the border in the last twelve months. We have six CBP border agents have been murdered. Dozens of kidnap pings have occurred.

You are an enemy propagandist, cease and desist your anti-U.S. anti constitutional propaganda.

Jefro jones Wrote:
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> 4kkNj Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > reality checkk Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Don't Get it Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > So are you saying that illegal aliens who
> > > commit
> > > > crimes should not be deported?
> > >
> > >
> > > YES
> > >
> > > It is simple economics:
> > >
> > > 1. We do not have the money to deport
> > > 2. We do not fund the border to stop anyone
> > from
> > > coming in
> > > 3. ANY person we deport can, and will, return
> > in
> > > about a week
> > >
> > > So, tell me why we would bother paying or
> this
> > > endless cycle?
> > >
> > > Remember, I am not asking what political
> party
> > you
> > > are for or against - just why would we put in
> > the
> > > money, time and man power to do something so
> > > useless?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > IF the border was secure - then yes, but it
> is
> > not
> > > at all.
> > >
> > > Add to that this question:
> > >
> > > Of all the violent illegals, would you really
> > > choose one who has this on their record? -
> > >
> > > –Public swearing/intoxication in March
> 2010.
> > >
> > > –Petit larceny in September 2011.
> > >
> > > –Concealment/Price alteration of
> merchandise
> > in
> > > April 2012.
> > >
> > > No, you would want more violent illegals to
> be
> > > deported first.
>
>
> Moron,
>
> In El Paso, three prosecutors and two judges have
> been murdered as the consequence of scum from
> Ciudad, Mexico that have come over the border in
> the last twelve months. We have six CBP border
> agents have been murdered. Dozens of kidnap pings
> have occurred.
>
> You are an enemy propagandist, cease and desist
> your anti-U.S. anti constitutional propaganda.


So, you do not have an answer - ok.

Guess, they will just continue to kill all the Texans.

Give amnesty to all illegals and lets welcome them all in our country. The only reason he killed her is because of his tough life that he had, it's so sad. Poor guy, I hope he does well and get little time. Legalize all illegals, they will then all get educated, and pay all the back taxes they owe.

obama4life Wrote:
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> Give amnesty to all illegals and lets welcome them
> all in our country. The only reason he killed her
> is because of his tough life that he had, it's so
> sad. Poor guy, I hope he does well and get little
> time. Legalize all illegals, they will then all
> get educated, and pay all the back taxes they owe.


It is simple economics:

1. We do not have the money to deport
2. We do not fund the border to stop anyone from coming in
3. ANY person we deport can, and will, return in about a week

So, tell me why we would bother paying or this endless cycle?

Remember, I am not asking what political party you are for or against - just why would we put in the money, time and man power to do something so useless?



IF the border was secure - then yes, but it is not at all.

vKEGP Wrote:
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> obama4life Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> 1. We do not have the money to deport
> 2. We do not fund the border to stop anyone from
> coming in
> 3. ANY person we deport can, and will, return in
> about a week


1 - But we have the money to keep them behind bars, put their many kids they produce through school, and a whole lot of other things?

2 - We spent 18 billion in 2012 on border security.....

3 - Bullshit, they will not return in a week. It cost them thousands of dollars to hire a guide, and even then it's no guarantee they will make it back.

reality checkk Wrote:
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> It is simple economics:
> 1. We do not have the money to deport
> 2. We do not fund the border to stop anyone from coming in
> 3. ANY person we deport can, and will, return in about a week
> So, tell me why we would bother paying or this endless cycle?

Our southern border is an artifical line drawn right through the middle of a major cultural and economic zone. This is never going to work out well. The only hope is normalization and steps to make it easier and cheaper to come here and work legally than it is to come here and work illegally. Until then, we will simply swim upstream against currents that are far stronger than anything we can throw at them.

I would put a ton of guardians and sentry guns along the border. Problem solved.

this is fun Wrote:
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> Calling all asswipes - ad hominem attacks are not
> persuasive.

They are when they reveal against all rebuttal the inherent weakness behind an original claim.

> ...the reality is that you are nowhere, and I mean nowhere, as educated as > I happen to be - having completed difficult courses of study at two of the > best schools in the nation,

Well pat yourself on the back then! Are you familiar with the White House Fellows program? THat's how I got here.

> You would not last ten minutes with the academic crowd
> I ran with.

Probably right...I am kind of easily bored.

> The problem the Vanessa Pham cases presents is that
> the crime was preventable, and given his criminal
> history and capacity to use scant social welfare
> resources, any country with rational immigration
> policy should had Blanco-Garcia deported as a
> matter of course.

All crimes are preventable on the level of your claim. That level is of course totally unrealistic, and it has nothing to do with the legality or lack thereof concerning the perpetrator's entry into the country. THere are after all an estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country. In what population of 11 million human beings do you NOT expect eventually to encounter a violent murderer?

> The challenge I have with thinkers in your vein is
> that it always about the narrative, and never
> about the facts. Virtually nothing, including a
> pretty ugly murder committed by an undocumented
> person who frankly should not have been here,
> interrupts the meme. There are sympathetic
> immigration cases; this clearly is not one of
> them.

What have you been reading? I haven't defended the guy in any way at all. I have attacked various false statements and a whole bunch of just plain outright racism. Defend those, if you can.

> The unfortunate fall-out of this kind of thinking
> is that connections which are susceptible to being
> made are rarely made, particulary when
> progressive, morally superior soundbites govern
> and control over facts and eminently plausible
> cause and effect relationships. Take economics
> and immigration. Senator Warren, a darling of the
> left, quite accurately and adroitly points out
> that given the rise in GDP the last 40 years, the
> minimum wage for people with entry market skills
> should be $14. Of course, she fails to mention
> that the reason for this is not some Koch Brothers
> conspiracy, but the forceful impact of global
> competition, particularly China.

So you think busboys in China are driving down the wages of busboys in the US? Are you daft? Most low- and minimum-wage jobs have no competititon at all from workers in other countries. THe workers who pick lettuce in California and apples in Washington state will always be right here in the good old USA as they do that work. These jobs cannot be done from China. The same is true for landscaping, construction, or home health care positions. I suspect you have been sent off the tracks here by unfiltered nonsense concerning all "our" manufacturing jobs having been shipped off to China. That has not happened. Every one of the top twelve manufacturing economies in the world has lost manufacturing jobs since the mid-1990's even as output has soared. China in fact has lost more jobs in that time than the US presently has. US losses have been about average for the group. The simple fact is that like agriculture a century or so before it, manufacturing has lost any capacity it once may have had to provide jobs for the masses. Adapt or die.

> These nations have created productivity gains of immense
> magnitude, and as a result, entry level wages have
> collapsed.

Please. Wages here have collapsed because of advancing corporatism. Productivity gains have been deliberately diverted into corporate profits and away from wage increases. The labor share of GDP has been persistently declining. The destruction of unions has of course been a signficant factor in all that. Labor markets in which an individual sits on one side and a massive corporate enterprise sits on the other do not often result in fair and equitable equilibria. "THose nations" of yours have not entered into it.

> Cast aside for the purposes of discussion whether we
> should have imposed protectionist measures (although
> they rarely work for non-transitory periods).

Huh? We have had and still do have broad-based tariff schedules in effect. We also operate major subsidy programs.

> The last thing, and the very last thing we would
> want to do in the face of a collapsing entry level
> labor market is to adopt the immigration practices
> that we have adopted.

Hello? The reason people come here illegally is that there are still millions of jobs that legal people simply don't apply for. These jobs still need to be done. You advertise them and the people who show up are the pool from which you can hire. You can't wave some magic wand and cause other people to appear. The immigration policies that we should have would ease the path of qualified immigrant workers in getting to where their work is needed and assuring that they are safe and fairly and adequately compensated.

> Permitting millions of low wage and unskilled people
> puts tremendous pressure on the lower end of the labor
> market - people - at least according to my progressive
> friends - who need it most.

We don't permit this at all. Don't the asswipes continue to point out that all these people are here ILLEGALLY? Do you understand how silly you sound in that light?

> Throw in the fact that illegal aliens, like
> every other group of people, commit crimes -
> sometimes violent - and there is a whole slew of
> bad policies to legitimately complain about.

You think there is some POLICY somewhere encouraging immigrants to massacre native-born types? Grow up!

> In fact, there should be discussion over these
> difficult issues, and certainly without
> reactionary and emotionally gooey invocations of
> racism.

Tell it to Malkin. Tell it to the racists.

> I understand you may think I may be, what is your
> term, an "asswipe" for disagreeing with you,

Disagreement with me has nothing to do with it, but the nature of the claims mase in this post does raise certain suspicions. Lousy facts and faulty reasoning can often do that.

> But I find that hard to digest from someone who has,
> at least in my perspective (as is evident from your
> posts), a limited education, and one that appears to
> reflect an experience of indoctrination rather than
> that of critical thinking.

Dude, you have no idea.

Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> Mr. Kettle Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We get it. You don't like Malkin.
>
> I've never met her. Her published writings
> however mark he as a lying, scum-sucking
> race-baiter which is why many posters here --
> racists themselves in many cases -- simply adore
> her.
>
> > Now deal with what she said. Was he here
> > illegally? Did he have prior arrests and
> > convictions? If the law was enforced as it
> should
> > have been would he have been here to kill Pham?
>
> Where were all these failures to enforce the law?
> The laws you want enforced don't actually exist.
> They are products of your imagination.
>


That will be news to lots of people who are routinely deported. No, they are not imaginary. It's against the law to be here illegally. If caught, legally, you can and should be deported. Criminal activity and contact with law enforcement are primary factors in that determination under Federal guidelines.


> > Sorry, I should have realized that you can't do
> > any analysis beyond talking points and being
> told
> > what to think and shouldn't have provided
> > something that complicated.
>
> What you should have done is your homework, but
> you didn't. And the GAO studies cited are
> perfectly straight-forward in NOT supporting or
> substantiating your racist claims.
>
> > If you're read beyond the first paragraphs then
>
> > you'd realize that they break out much of it for
>
> > SCAAP illegal aliens, i.e., "noncitizens whom
> ICE
> > verified were illegally in the United States at
>
> > the time of incarceration...
>
> One of the reasons why you plainly meet the
> definition of an asswipe is that you fail to
> understand that "at the time of incarceration"
> means they are already in prison. As noted above,
> just like your hordes of typical native-born white
> people already in prison, they tend to have
> significant records of prior convictions. That's
> all your meaningless data show, but you are so
> carried away by the emoptions of your racist
> prejudices that you don't notice the fact.

Again you missed the point. It shows that they are disproportionately represented in the prison population.

If you'd like I can dig up some of the arrest stats which also will show disproportionate representation but I figured you'd just argue arrests versus convictions and some profiling crap so thought I'd just cut to the chase and go with those actually convicted and serving time.


>
> > Furthermore, this represents only a sub-set of
> all
> > illegals since that only includes those in the
> > system, reported, and verified. Despite that,
> > they are disproportionately represented versus
> > their numbers in the Federal inmate population
> at
> > 27%, and, even assuming your 60/40 illegal
> > assumption (which I believe you probably
> misread
> > from the 14.5 million of papered versus 10.8
> > million non-papered persons in the general
> > population versus inmates). Given that about
> 68%
> > are Mexican, they in particular are very much
> over
> > represented.
> >
>
> LOL! Numbers being mangled. You have no future
> as a statistician.


In other words, you have no real response. There's no 'mangling' or statistics required. It's a simple quote with 27% being their number:

Quote

"Further, the criminal alien population as a percentage of the total fed
inmate population has remained relatively constant since 2001. In 2005, we
reported that the overall percentage of the criminal alien population
incarcerated in federal prisons remained consistently around 27 percent of
the total inmate population from 2001 though 2004. In fiscal year 2005,
the criminal alien population in federal prisons was around 27 percent
the total inmate population, and from fiscal years 2006 through 2010
remained consistently around 25 percent."

Call it 25% if you like that better. Makes no real difference.

The 60:40 split was your number so I was giving you the benefit of doubt there.

But there's no need to do any calculations to see that the population is disproportionately represented regardless of the exact distribution.

>
> > Then post something from an independent,
> objective
> > source that supports your case instead of more
> of
> > your bullshit. Here, like this. I can do it
> all
> > day long: Positive statisitical correlation
> between
> > illegal immigration and violent crime in border
> states.
> > http://ideas.repec.org/p/fip/feddwp/03-03.html
>
> Poor little asswipe. This is what your independent
> objective study actually finds...
>
> "Border crime rates lie consistently below the
> national average. In the 1990s, however, while
> there was a large decline in property-related
> crime along the U.S.-Mexico border, violent crime
> rates began to converge to the national average.
> At the same time, legal and illegal immigration
> from Mexico surged and border enforcement rose to
> unprecedented levels. In this paper, we
> investigate the relationship between border county
> crime rates, immigration and enforcement since the
> early 1990s. We find that while the volume of
> illegal immigration is not related to changes in
> property-related crime, there is a significant
> positive correlation with the incidence of violent
> crime. This is most likely due to extensive
> smuggling activity along the border. Border
> enforcement meanwhile is significantly negatively
> related to crime rates. The bad news is that the
> deterrent effect of the border patrol diminishes
> over this time period, and the net impact of more
> enforcement on border crime since the late 1990s
> is zero."
>
> I guess you think the presence of murderous drug
> gangs and cartels along the border is not actually
> signficant. Only an asswipe could think that.


Yep, it says exactly what I said that it did:

Quote

"We find that while the volume of illegal immigration is not related to changes in property-related crime,
there is a significant positive correlation with the incidence of violent crime.

In direct contradiction to your claim that there was nothing which showed any correlation.

I guess you think that the same criminal activity associated with drug and gang activities of illegals is limited to the border. Only an "asswipe" would think that.

And, once again, apparently you're unable to back up your own bullshit with anything more than your own bullshit.


>
> And by the way, light- and dark-skinned blacks
> long had problems with each other. You can't hide
> bigotry once it's in your heart.


You're a joke. You're so twisted up in your own dogma that it's just inconceivable to you that anyone Hispanic could say anything negative about illegals. So in that case I must be one of them thar 'white Hispanics.' lol By this point in the Summer I'm darker than Obama. Is that dark enough to count? lmao You dumb fucking racist.

I've got what I know will be even more shocking news for you. There are lots of us and we tend to be harder as far as that goes than most others. We don't have to pretend to buy into the white liberal tolerance bs. I'm surely not going to pretend like you that there aren't problems and that Hispanics don't represent the vast majority of it just because I am.

I like how the Washington Post referred to him as a "day worker." That, my friends, is called dissembling. Or, if you're in the media, doing your job.

Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> Our southern border is an artifical line drawn
> right through the middle of a major cultural and
> economic zone.

The borders AT THE TIME THEY WERE DRAWN made sense. Much of the areas they went through were largely "wastelands" inhabited by small numbers of "uncivilized Indians". The problem was that over time "civilization" closed in on the borders from both sides, and in some instances areas on one side of the border developed as a result of development on the other side of the border.

The border between the U.S. and Mexico wasn't drawn through the middle of a major cultural and economic zone. The cultural and economic zone developed along the border, and to an extent as a result of it. The border between the U.S. and Mexico isn't an American equivalent of the Berlin Wall.

I am no-documented American but my babies are full citizens because the they were born at the fairfax hospital. Thank you white peoples for giving my babies the citizenships. I love the white peoples and I love this country.

Liberal Logic 27 Wrote:
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> So you cant go to jail for being in front of an
> immigration judge?

Hundreds of thousands of people are being held in the unprincipled hell-hole of immigration detention, but before an immigration judge, one is liable to the penalties of immigration law, just as in front of a criminal judge, one is liable to the penalties of criminal law. See how that works?

Metro jones Wrote:
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> As all should recall, Gary Condit, of the porn
> music voicemail mailbox fame, was exhonorated for
> the murder of Chandra Levy in Rock Creek. A dirty
> OTM, Other Than Mexican, from Central America
> murdered Chandra Levy. Stop illegal immigration!
> We have enough freaks here already.

Here's your "I'm A Total Asswipe" sign. Wear it proudly. Bernie Madoff is Jewish. How many other Jews go down through your guilt by any conceivable line of genetic association mantra? And you want to talk about freaks???

Jefro jones Wrote:
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> Moron,
> In El Paso, three prosecutors and two judges have
> been murdered as the consequence of scum from
> Ciudad, Mexico that have come over the border in
> the last twelve months. We have six CBP border
> agents have been murdered. Dozens of kidnap pings
> have occurred.

Possibly such events have more to do with an irrational and inconceivably poorly thought out "War on Drugs" than with the fact that it's Mexico that's on the other side of the border. We are being attacked by a monster of our own creation. This is all the doing of misguided right-wing white folks. Same gang who sponsored the Great Recession. Gee, thanks again guys!

> You are an enemy propagandist, cease and desist
> your anti-U.S. anti constitutional propaganda.

You're a complete fruitcake with no helpful clues to offer about anything.

obama4life Wrote:
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> Give amnesty to all illegals and lets welcome them
> all in our country. The only reason he killed her
> is because of his tough life that he had, it's so
> sad. Poor guy, I hope he does well and get little
> time. Legalize all illegals, they will then all
> get educated, and pay all the back taxes they owe.

Attention, asswipe. The guy deserves whatever criminal penalties are associated with whatever crimes he ends up actually being convicted of. He is the bad guy in this story, at least as the story has been related in the media. No one else of Hispanic heritage is implicated. The case has no bearing at all on matters of immigration reform except of course in the warped and malfunctioning little minds of total asswipes.

bullsheet Wrote:
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> 1 - But we have the money to keep them behind
> bars, put their many kids they produce through
> school, and a whole lot of other things?

If we've run short of money to house convicted criminals, we're in some Somalia-like trouble here. Their racism of course drives asswipes to hope that we can make being Hispanic a crime.

And by the way, whether through rent or a mortgage, both documented and undocumented immigrants pay the property taxes that support local schools on the very same basis that you do. Their kids have the very same rights of attendance as yours do. Unless you want to be racist about it.

> 2 - We spent 18 billion in 2012 on border security.....

Huge waste of money. It hasn't worked, doesn't work, and won't ever work. Asswipes need tp come up with a better plan or sit down amd shut up.

> 3 - Bullshit, they will not return in a week. It
> cost them thousands of dollars to hire a guide,
> and even then it's no guarantee they will make it
> back.

Jeez pinhead, the numbers don't refer to unique individuals. Every body you deport creates the demand that will prompt another body to come. The only thing that has slowed the flow has been the Great Recession. As the economy picks up steam, the flow will pick up again. As the baby boomers retire and need more help in their lives, the flow will pick up again. Once again, it is a case of adapt or die,

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> I would put a ton of guardians and sentry guns
> along the border. Problem solved.

Only an asswipe could think so.

"And by the way, whether through rent or a mortgage, both documented and undocumented immigrants pay the property taxes that support local schools on the very same basis that you do. Their kids have the very same rights of attendance as yours do. Unless you want to be racist about it."

What they collect in social services and other assorted government free stuff is not offset by the piddling amount they may pay in some form of taxes. Turning a residential home into an illegals hotel also drives down the property value of nearby homes so you need to consider the lost revenue in real estate taxes as a result. But dont let the facts stop you from crying racism.

Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> this is fun Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Calling all asswipes - ad hominem attacks are
> not
> > persuasive.
>
> They are when they reveal against all rebuttal the
> inherent weakness behind an original claim.
>
> > ...the reality is that you are nowhere, and I
> mean nowhere, as educated as > I happen to be -
> having completed difficult courses of study at two
> of the > best schools in the nation,
>
> Well pat yourself on the back then! Are you
> familiar with the White House Fellows program?
> THat's how I got here.
>
> > You would not last ten minutes with the academic
> crowd
> > I ran with.
>
> Probably right...I am kind of easily bored.
>
> > The problem the Vanessa Pham cases presents is
> that
> > the crime was preventable, and given his
> criminal
> > history and capacity to use scant social
> welfare
> > resources, any country with rational
> immigration
> > policy should had Blanco-Garcia deported as a
> > matter of course.
>
> All crimes are preventable on the level of your
> claim. That level is of course totally
> unrealistic, and it has nothing to do with the
> legality or lack thereof concerning the
> perpetrator's entry into the country. THere are
> after all an estimated 11 million undocumented
> immigrants in the country. In what population of
> 11 million human beings do you NOT expect
> eventually to encounter a violent murderer?
>
> > The challenge I have with thinkers in your vein
> is
> > that it always about the narrative, and never
> > about the facts. Virtually nothing, including
> a
> > pretty ugly murder committed by an undocumented
> > person who frankly should not have been here,
> > interrupts the meme. There are sympathetic
> > immigration cases; this clearly is not one of
> > them.
>
> What have you been reading? I haven't defended
> the guy in any way at all. I have attacked
> various false statements and a whole bunch of just
> plain outright racism. Defend those, if you can.
>
>
> > The unfortunate fall-out of this kind of
> thinking
> > is that connections which are susceptible to
> being
> > made are rarely made, particulary when
> > progressive, morally superior soundbites govern
> > and control over facts and eminently plausible
> > cause and effect relationships. Take economics
> > and immigration. Senator Warren, a darling of
> the
> > left, quite accurately and adroitly points out
> > that given the rise in GDP the last 40 years,
> the
> > minimum wage for people with entry market
> skills
> > should be $14. Of course, she fails to mention
> > that the reason for this is not some Koch
> Brothers
> > conspiracy, but the forceful impact of global
> > competition, particularly China.
>
> So you think busboys in China are driving down the
> wages of busboys in the US? Are you daft? Most
> low- and minimum-wage jobs have no competititon at
> all from workers in other countries. THe workers
> who pick lettuce in California and apples in
> Washington state will always be right here in the
> good old USA as they do that work. These jobs
> cannot be done from China. The same is true for
> landscaping, construction, or home health care
> positions. I suspect you have been sent off the
> tracks here by unfiltered nonsense concerning all
> "our" manufacturing jobs having been shipped off
> to China. That has not happened. Every one of
> the top twelve manufacturing economies in the
> world has lost manufacturing jobs since the
> mid-1990's even as output has soared. China in
> fact has lost more jobs in that time than the US
> presently has. US losses have been about average
> for the group. The simple fact is that like
> agriculture a century or so before it,
> manufacturing has lost any capacity it once may
> have had to provide jobs for the masses. Adapt or
> die.
>
> > These nations have created productivity gains of
> immense
> > magnitude, and as a result, entry level wages
> have
> > collapsed.
>
> Please. Wages here have collapsed because of
> advancing corporatism. Productivity gains have
> been deliberately diverted into corporate profits
> and away from wage increases. The labor share of
> GDP has been persistently declining. The
> destruction of unions has of course been a
> signficant factor in all that. Labor markets in
> which an individual sits on one side and a massive
> corporate enterprise sits on the other do not
> often result in fair and equitable equilibria.
> "THose nations" of yours have not entered into it.
>
>
> > Cast aside for the purposes of discussion
> whether we
> > should have imposed protectionist measures
> (although
> > they rarely work for non-transitory periods).
>
> Huh? We have had and still do have broad-based
> tariff schedules in effect. We also operate major
> subsidy programs.
>
> > The last thing, and the very last thing we would
>
> > want to do in the face of a collapsing entry
> level
> > labor market is to adopt the immigration
> practices
> > that we have adopted.
>
> Hello? The reason people come here illegally is
> that there are still millions of jobs that legal
> people simply don't apply for. These jobs still
> need to be done. You advertise them and the
> people who show up are the pool from which you can
> hire. You can't wave some magic wand and cause
> other people to appear. The immigration policies
> that we should have would ease the path of
> qualified immigrant workers in getting to where
> their work is needed and assuring that they are
> safe and fairly and adequately compensated.
>
> > Permitting millions of low wage and unskilled
> people
> > puts tremendous pressure on the lower end of the
> labor
> > market - people - at least according to my
> progressive
> > friends - who need it most.
>
> We don't permit this at all. Don't the asswipes
> continue to point out that all these people are
> here ILLEGALLY? Do you understand how silly you
> sound in that light?
>
> > Throw in the fact that illegal aliens, like
> > every other group of people, commit crimes -
> > sometimes violent - and there is a whole slew
> of
> > bad policies to legitimately complain about.
>
> You think there is some POLICY somewhere
> encouraging immigrants to massacre native-born
> types? Grow up!
>
> > In fact, there should be discussion over these
> > difficult issues, and certainly without
> > reactionary and emotionally gooey invocations
> of
> > racism.
>
> Tell it to Malkin. Tell it to the racists.
>
> > I understand you may think I may be, what is
> your
> > term, an "asswipe" for disagreeing with you,
>
> Disagreement with me has nothing to do with it,
> but the nature of the claims mase in this post
> does raise certain suspicions. Lousy facts and
> faulty reasoning can often do that.
>
> > But I find that hard to digest from someone who
> has,
> > at least in my perspective (as is evident from
> your
> > posts), a limited education, and one that
> appears to
> > reflect an experience of indoctrination rather
> than
> > that of critical thinking.
>
> Dude, you have no idea.


 
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Mr. Kettle Wrote:
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> That will be news to lots of people who are
> routinely deported. No, they are not imaginary.
> It's against the law to be here illegally. If
> caught, legally, you can and should be deported.
> Criminal activity and contact with law enforcement
> are primary factors in that determination under
> Federal guidelines.

Doubling down on failure? That's brilliant! The laws you imagine DO NOT exist, and no one is routinely deported. There is a process involved, and deportation is actually one of its least likely outcomes. Immigration and criminal law are in fact two different things whether you choose to recognize it or not. Maybe try to get that fact through your fat head.

> Again you missed the point. It shows that they
> are disproportionately represented in the prison
> population.

No, it doesn't even pretend to address such a question. It reports numbers of this and numbers of that and goes no further. Being just another,illiterate and inexperienced asswipe, you don't recognize as GAO all but certainly would that race is simply not a signficant variable in terms of incarceration rates. All of the signficant coefficients are already used up by things like age, income, education, health, degree of family integration, and so on. Apart from its well-known rebound effect when bounced off degrees of overt and latent racism in society at large, one's race is about as much of a contributor to a likelihood of incarceration as whether one is left- or right-handed.

> If you'd like I can dig up some of the arrest
> stats which also will show disproportionate
> representation but I figured you'd just argue
> arrests versus convictions and some profiling crap
> so thought I'd just cut to the chase and go with
> those actually convicted and serving time.

There would be no3point except invalid ones. As I noted earlier, you have no future at all as a statistician. You are a child playing with matches here and have done nothing but stumble, fumble, and bumble in the field thus far.

> In other words, you have no real response.
> There's no 'mangling' or statistics required.

THere was none required, but there was much committed. You are sadly too much of a novice even to recognize the correction of your blunders.

> Yep, it says exactly what I said that it did:

It fails to support your claims in any way at all. The only reason for high violent crime rates in near-border counties is blowback from our idiotic and long ago failed War in Drugs. NO other cause is noted and no other effect.

> And, once again, apparently you're unable to back
> up your own bullshit with anything more than your
> own bullshit.

I would be winning on that plane as easily as on any other.

> You're a joke. You're so twisted up in your own
> dogma that it's just inconceivable to you that
> anyone Hispanic could say anything negative about
> illegals.

You've claimed to be at least part Hispanic and have made negative claims about other Hispanics. The only problem there is that your claims are entirely phony and unsupported by actual facts. You simply don't know what you are talking about. That's a pretty big obstacle to have to overcome, and it certainly does suggest that racism would be the #1-ranked contender in the race to explain your attitudes and claims.

effthemedia Wrote:
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> I like how the Washington Post referred to him as
> a "day worker." That, my friends, is called
> dissembling. Or, if you're in the media, doing
> your job.

And what I wonder would you call a person who works by the day?

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> The borders AT THE TIME THEY WERE DRAWN made sense.

A time vector was not specified. A simple and entirely accurate statement was made, and made in the present tense -- "Our southern border is an artifical line drawn right through the middle of a major cultural and economic zone." See?

Stupid liberals Wrote:
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> What they collect in social services and other
> assorted government free stuff is not offset by
> the piddling amount they may pay in some form of
> taxes.

That's incorrect as well, as pretty much every study not sponsored by some skinhead or other nativist/bigot organization has gone to point out, but the matter at hand was a stupid claim that immigrants are somehow taking unfair advantage of free public K-12 education when they are paying for it on excactly the same basis as everyone else.

HdmKw Wrote:
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I am sorry but hardly surpised to learn that everything has gone right over yet another asswipe's head. Must suck to live in such a relentlessly dark and futile world. That's what hapless myth and superstition can do to you, though.

Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> Stupid liberals Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What they collect in social services and other
> > assorted government free stuff is not offset by
> > the piddling amount they may pay in some form
> of
> > taxes.
>
> That's incorrect as well, as pretty much every
> study not sponsored by some skinhead or other
> nativist/bigot organization has gone to point out,
> but the matter at hand was a stupid claim that
> immigrants are somehow taking unfair advantage of
> free public K-12 education when they are paying
> for it on excactly the same basis as everyone
> else.

You know it is true. You can hardly compare paying a couple thousand in taxes to getting free family health care, free food stamps, free school breakfast and lunch, the cost of ESL languages and section 8 housing assistance. Obviously math was not your strong subject.

I left out the cost to the criminal justice system in processing miscreants like the vermin who killed Vanessa Pham. But I am sure the sales tax he paid on beer, if he didn't steal it, will more than offset the cost of housing him in prison for 48 years. What a liberal white guilt fool you be.

Mo Free Barry Wrote:
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> Obviously math was not your strong subject.

Actually, it was, but it became so theoretical at the advanced levels that I switched to an applied version called "Economics" and got my PhD in that instead. Worked out well for my wallet, among other things.

Meanwhile, immigranmts are pretty plainly a net contributor to the economy. It's really only the knee-jerks and racists who bother to claim to the contrary.

One more thing Wrote:
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> I left out the cost to the criminal justice system
> in processing miscreants like the vermin who
> killed Vanessa Pham. But I am sure the sales tax
> he paid on beer, if he didn't steal it, will more
> than offset the cost of housing him in prison for
> 48 years. What a liberal white guilt fool you be.

Go back to junior high school. You missed a lot past that point. Like that whole thing about apples to apples. Let me know when you've got yourself caught up over there, asswipe.

Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> One more thing Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I left out the cost to the criminal justice
> system
> > in processing miscreants like the vermin who
> > killed Vanessa Pham. But I am sure the sales
> tax
> > he paid on beer, if he didn't steal it, will
> more
> > than offset the cost of housing him in prison
> for
> > 48 years. What a liberal white guilt fool you
> be.
>
> Go back to junior high school. You missed a lot
> past that point. Like that whole thing about
> apples to apples. Let me know when you've got
> yourself caught up over there, asswipe.

Don't blame me for your white guilt and general ignorance of math. Go back and throw eggs at the high school that allowed someone as stupid as you to receive a diploma.

"Meanwhile, immigranmts are pretty plainly a net contributor to the economy. It's really only the knee-jerks and racists who bother to claim to the contrary."

A beautiful young woman with lots of promise was killed by an illegal loser who does drugs and you want everyone to celebrate? Are you saying that killing people is a being a contributor to society?

This has become one big trollololololololololololololololol or the person is the special kind of retarded that you probably shouldn't waste time on. Either way.. good stuff.

Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> HdmKw Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> I am sorry but hardly surpised to learn that
> everything has gone right over yet another
> asswipe's head. Must suck to live in such a
> relentlessly dark and futile world. That's what
> hapless myth and superstition can do to you,
> though.


Yes, that must be it. LOL


 
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Since the children of illegal immigrants are citizens there are a ton of programs they are eligible for and take full advantage of:

WIC - All care for children and their mother provided by US taxpayers; immunizations, food, doctor visits etc

Free School Lunch: Free and reduced-price lunches are available to students unable to pay the full price of meals according to criteria based on household size and income. Applications are available in Arabic,Farsi, Korean, Spanish, Urdu, and Vietnamese.

This is from the Fairfax County Website; no illegal immigrants would take advantage of this program according to Calling All Asswipes

Medicaid - All children of illegal immigrants are eligible for taxpayer funded medical care it doesn't matter if their parents are from Mars or Guatemala or if they came legally or illegally.

Calling All Asswipes check out Univision for awhile and you'll see a ton of commercials advertising medical services paid for by Medicaid

These programs make sense when your country has basic immigration laws. You can't have open borders and a Swedish style social welfare state. These programs lose support from the public when foreign nationals take advantage of them at the expense of the American working and middle class.

The fact that you want Americans to make subsistence level wages for blue collar work is disconcerting. You seem to value Latino ethnic nationalism over a living wage. I remember when labor was the main thrust behind left wing parties in the West. Fair wages, benefits and working conditions have been replaced with ethnic chauvinism.

Mo Free Barry Wrote:
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> Don't blame me for your white guilt and general
> ignorance of math. Go back and throw eggs at the
> high school that allowed someone as stupid as you
> to receive a diploma.

Still so far behind. How much more does it cost to house and maintain a prison inmate who is a Mexican violent murderer as opposed to some native born white-ass violent murderer? Any guesses?

By the way, that National Merit Finalist thing coming out of high school did open some doors alright.

crazy you are Wrote:
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> A beautiful young woman with lots of promise was
> killed by an illegal loser who does drugs...

Terrible thing by everyone's account.

> ...and you want everyone to celebrate? Are you saying
> that killing people is a being a contributor to
> society?

God, you're stupid. Even for an asswipe, that's stuoid.

lolwtf2 Wrote:
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> This has become one big
> trollololololololololololololololol or the person
> is the special kind of retarded that you probably
> shouldn't waste time on. Either way.. good stuff.

Big stumblefest of asswipes it's turned into alright, as one after another of them has just gone sailing over the cliff like a lemming. Racism and hatred make fools out of a lot of people it seems.

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> Yes, that must be it. LOL

As near as anyone can tell. You seem to be rather clueless yourself what with your pointless graphic. Care to do anything to improve your image, or was that just some sort of drive-by, cave-dweller nonsense?

Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> lolwtf2 Wrote:
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> > This has become one big
> > trollololololololololololololololol or the
> person
> > is the special kind of retarded that you
> probably
> > shouldn't waste time on. Either way.. good
> stuff.
>
> Big stumblefest of asswipes it's turned into
> alright, as one after another of them has just
> gone sailing over the cliff like a lemming.
> Racism and hatred make fools out of a lot of
> people it seems.


Gee, your smartness is just too much to handle. LOL

 
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Calling All Workers Wrote:
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> Since the children of illegal immigrants are
> citizens there are a ton of programs they are
> eligible for and take full advantage of:
>
> WIC - All care for children and their mother
> provided by US taxpayers; immunizations, food,
> doctor visits etc

Oh good, a new asswipe! Or perhaps just an old one too humiliated to continue using his original handle. There are citizenship requirements (and work requirements) for most welfare programs, but there aren't such requirments for many programs that target children's health and nutrition needs because the aid is variously for fetuses, infants, toddlers, and young children who bear no responsibility at all for the circumstances of their conception, birth, or current place or condition of residence. Only a true rtacist asswipe could fail to recognize such simple facts.

> no illegal immigrants would take advantage of
> this program according to Calling All Asswipes.

Really? I think you are making that up. In fact, I'm calling you out as a worthless punk-ass,piece-of-crap liar here. Got anything to say about that?

> These programs make sense when your country has
> basic immigration laws. You can't have open
> borders and a Swedish style social welfare state.
> These programs lose support from the public when
> foreign nationals take advantage of them at the
> expense of the American working and middle class.

Immigrants pay the same taxes as everyone else. Income and payroll taxes are withheld from their paychecks. They pay excise, sales, and property taxes the same as you do. They get up early, work hard, and go to church opn Sunday. More than can be said for most asswipes.

> The fact that you want Americans to make
> subsistence level wages for blue collar work is
> disconcerting.

Like I said, worthless punk-ass,piece-of-crap liar.

> You seem to value Latino ethnic nationalism over
> a living wage.

There are a few harmless enough forms of patriotism, but not really when it comes to nationalism. I'm against all forms of that, and especially the insane, nativist, skinhead poison and hatred that people like Michelle "The Racebaiter" Malkin spew out for instance.

> I remember when labor was the in thrust behind
> left wing parties in the West. Fair wages, benefits
> and working conditions have been replaced with
> ethnic chauvinism.

Viva la Huelga! And what has the right-wing done for anyone lately? Did you enjoy your Tax Cuts for the Rich? How about the resulting Great Recession?

7eHPD Wrote:
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> Gee, your smartness is just too much to handle.
> LOL
Yes, I get the picture. Complete failure of anything relevant to say on your part. No one should doubt your status as an asswipe.

Calling All Asswipes Wrote:
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> 7eHPD Wrote:
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> > Gee, your smartness is just too much to handle.
>
> > LOL
> Yes, I get the picture. Complete failure of
> anything relevant to say on your part. No one
> should doubt your status as an asswipe.


Ahhhh, almost there little fella. Keep trying. I'm sure you'll finally grasp reality if you just keep at it. LOL

 
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