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The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Bob Bruhns ()
Date: June 26, 2013 07:02AM

The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Beware when the powers-that-be create an artificial emergency that supposedly requires panic, binary decisions, on huge, bloated projects.
http://herndon.patch.com/groups/bob-bruhnss-blog/p/bp--the-dulles-rail-phase-ii-disaster

Dulles Rail Phase II is an absolute disaster.

The main blunders have to do with the Dulles airport rail station. The below-ground plan is inexcusably overpriced. But the above-ground plan is no good either. And our leaders are trying to get us to make a bad binary decision - EITHER the MWAA above-ground plan, OR the MWAA below-ground plan, in a mad rush, crying that the sky is falling, we have to act NOW, etc, etc, etc. But the emergency is artificial, deliberately drummed-up drama to panic you into approving a very bad plan indeed.



Bloated numbers and a smokescreen fight about the Dulles Airport rail station were used to confuse the issue. Almost everybody has fallen for the trick - causing them to stampede to approve the overpriced and badly designed above-ground plan that shouldn't be approved either. This distraction was orchestrated to trick you into approving a very bad, and needlessly expensive plan.

The cost-difference figures you hear are simply wrong. Use your head. What should an underground station have? Well it needs an underground tunnel and an underground building. What should that cost? Well, the Tysons Corner tunnel, just nder 1/2 mile in length, recently cost $85 million. And a 7-level, million square foot underground parking garage in Reston is costing $93.3 million. Put together, those cost $178.3 million. Then consider that the above-ground station would not be needed. What would that have cost? Well, the Route 28 above-ground station was listed as costing $136 million. So subtract $136 million from $178.3 million and you get $42.3 million. Of course there may be additional connection and associated costs, but how did the DOT come up with a $562 million difference figure? It simply makes no sense. It seems that when somebody wants to push the underground plan, the number shrinks, and when somebody wants to push the above-ground plan, the number swells. I don't think the MWAA and DOT difference numbers have any credibility at all.

But the worst part of the bad design at the Dulles airport has little to do with an above or below ground station. The design should have been a dead-end spur from a main track on Route 28 to the air terminal, whether above or below ground. Instead, the plan they are pushing, with their artificial emergency, is a very expensive loop.

BOTH Dulles airport rail station designs are massively flawed disasters. Cut the cost by fixing the fundamental design, before applying ridiculous costs to the tolls, to county and state taxes, and to federal taxes in America. The counties are straining to close budget gaps, we have known for years that Virginia is in no condition to waste money, and if there is one thing that the budget battle in Washington has shown us, it is that America already can not deal with its unbelievable budget deficit. Funding overpriced boondoggles like Dulles Rail is exactly the sort of thing that makes our situation worse every day.

Our leaders would have us approve the very expensive above-ground loop, and they want you to fall for their silly act, and agree in mad haste, because they are telling us that the sky is falling.

They totally bungled that - so, what else did they bungle? Use your heads, people! Stop the madness!

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: June 26, 2013 07:06AM

I remember bringing this crap up last year a ppl blasting me on it - I'm like why are we building all this stuff so ppl can TAKE A BUS TO THE AIRPORT when we already have a station where ppl can TAKE A BUS TO THE AIRPORT, y'know?

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Bob Bruhns ()
Date: June 26, 2013 07:33AM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> I remember bringing this crap up last year a ppl
> blasting me on it - I'm like why are we building
> all this stuff so ppl can TAKE A BUS TO THE
> AIRPORT when we already have a station where ppl
> can TAKE A BUS TO THE AIRPORT, y'know?

Quite right Gordon, and now 17 million for a shooting range near the Airport. Our tax dollars at work.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: HOA ()
Date: June 26, 2013 08:14AM

$300 for a hammer is a bit pricey.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Net Catcher ()
Date: June 26, 2013 08:55AM

Cue the rants from looney Tysons Engineer in 3... 2....1....

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: PLEASE EXPLAIN ()
Date: June 26, 2013 09:11AM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> I remember bringing this crap up last year a ppl
> blasting me on it - I'm like why are we building
> all this stuff so ppl can TAKE A BUS TO THE
> AIRPORT when we already have a station where ppl
> can TAKE A BUS TO THE AIRPORT, y'know?


Could you please explain?

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: lolwtf ()
Date: June 26, 2013 09:55AM

Why can't they just run the metro up the gut of 267 and put it underground for like .25 miles right before you hit the short-term parking/loop around the airport?

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Curmudgeon ()
Date: June 26, 2013 09:55AM

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Why can't they just run the metro up the gut of 267 and put it underground for like .25 miles right before you hit the short-term parking/loop around the airport?

because that would make too much sense. what a stupid question.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: TinFoilHatMan ()
Date: June 26, 2013 10:10AM

I suspect this thread is just a scheme to get TysonsEngineer to come out of hiding.

He just can't resist a Metro-related topic.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Hay Zeus ()
Date: June 26, 2013 10:25AM

lolwtf Wrote:
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> Why can't they just run the metro up the gut of
> 267 and put it underground for like .25 miles
> right before you hit the short-term parking/loop
> around the airport?


and have the line start at Union Station with one stop at Falls Church?

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: finito ()
Date: June 26, 2013 11:01AM

Net Catcher Wrote:
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> Cue the rants from looney Tysons Engineer in 3...
> 2....1....


Nah. I'm betting he doesn't show his face around here anymore after his meltdown.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Bob Bruhns ()
Date: June 26, 2013 11:23AM

finito Wrote:
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> Net Catcher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cue the rants from looney Tysons Engineer in
> 3...
> > 2....1....
>
>
> Nah. I'm betting he doesn't show his face around
> here anymore after his meltdown.

It's more likely that he's travelling. I believe he said that he does that alot.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: finito ()
Date: June 26, 2013 11:28AM

Bob Bruhns Wrote:
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> finito Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Net Catcher Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Cue the rants from looney Tysons Engineer in
> > 3...
> > > 2....1....
> >
> >
> > Nah. I'm betting he doesn't show his face
> around
> > here anymore after his meltdown.
>
> It's more likely that he's travelling. I believe
> he said that he does that alot.

Nah. He's been lurking. As recently as last night even....

User Profile : Tysons Engineer
Email: Hidden
Posts: 429
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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: asdfsadfsa ()
Date: June 26, 2013 01:17PM

Not surprised.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: VEIK ()
Date: June 26, 2013 02:02PM

The stupidest decision ever made in this area is to remove light rail and replace it with W&OD bike path.

So that 40 years later it can be rebuilt in form of a metro.

Amazing.

Only in America.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: asdfsadfsa ()
Date: June 26, 2013 02:57PM

Again, not surprised.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: not the impetus ()
Date: June 26, 2013 03:05PM

VEIK Wrote:
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> The stupidest decision ever made in this area is
> to remove light rail and replace it with W&OD bike
> path.
>
> So that 40 years later it can be rebuilt in form
> of a metro.
>
> Amazing.
>
> Only in America.

They didn't remove it to replace it with the W&OD. In fact, the railroad ceased to exist in 1968 and NVRPA didn't start acquiring it until 1977.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Observerent ()
Date: June 26, 2013 03:18PM

lolwtf Wrote:
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> Why can't they just run the metro up the gut of
> 267 and put it underground for like .25 miles
> right before you hit the short-term parking/loop
> around the airport?

Ironic because that is what the plan is, except replace underground with above ground. People are complaining because it doesnt have a station at the terminal. In order to do that is alot more complicated than what Mr. Bruhn is stating above. Keeping an international airport operating while having a massive infrastructure project constructed within or below its terminal is not accurately depicted by looking at the costs of providing a parking garage or tunnel section elsewhere. There are numerous redundant components that have to be built in order to do this so that you can transition from one phase of the construction of the station to the next without disruption to the terminal. In other words, it costs a lot, its like creating an entire station only to recreate it again directly adjacent to it.

I was for putting the station at the terminal, and spending the extra money. But it is foolish to think it wouldn't have cost more money.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Jack406 ()
Date: June 26, 2013 03:25PM

VEIK Wrote:
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> The stupidest decision ever made in this area is
> to remove light rail and replace it with W&OD bike
> path.
>
> So that 40 years later it can be rebuilt in form
> of a metro.
>
> Amazing.
>
> Only in America.

People will get a lot more enjoyment out of the W&OD Trail than they ever will from the Silver Line to Dulles.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Reality ()
Date: June 26, 2013 03:32PM

Observerent Wrote:
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> lolwtf Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why can't they just run the metro up the gut of
> > 267 and put it underground for like .25 miles
> > right before you hit the short-term
> parking/loop
> > around the airport?
>
> Ironic because that is what the plan is, except
> replace underground with above ground. People are
> complaining because it doesnt have a station at
> the terminal. In order to do that is alot more
> complicated than what Mr. Bruhn is stating above.
> Keeping an international airport operating while
> having a massive infrastructure project
> constructed within or below its terminal is not
> accurately depicted by looking at the costs of
> providing a parking garage or tunnel section
> elsewhere. There are numerous redundant components
> that have to be built in order to do this so that
> you can transition from one phase of the
> construction of the station to the next without
> disruption to the terminal. In other words, it
> costs a lot, its like creating an entire station
> only to recreate it again directly adjacent to
> it.
>
> I was for putting the station at the terminal, and
> spending the extra money. But it is foolish to
> think it wouldn't have cost more money.


They are also planning on expanding the airport terminal towards the daily parking. It might be a case of it being easier to bring mohamed to the mountain than to bring the mountain to mohamed. Build the station, then expand the airport towards the Northeast for the AirTran/Southwest terminal that is sure to be coming soon. Bingo bango

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: jsdkbvzskjvbzjk ()
Date: June 27, 2013 01:09AM

Personally, I love this Phase 2 debacle...and hope that it is never built. I live in North Reston and will have a short drive to the Wiehle Avenue terminus...and I am pumped that the cars will be empty...instead of full of slack-jawed yocals from Ashburn and Lucketts on the way to their "Gubment Jerbs".

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Dulles Engineer ()
Date: June 27, 2013 02:30AM

The better solution would be to put the station in the middle of the airfield, then use giant people movers to transport the passengers to the appropriate gate.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Young Curmudgeon ()
Date: June 27, 2013 02:58AM

The Metro will ruin Reston. Prepare for "night visitors."

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: fucking morons everywhere ()
Date: June 27, 2013 06:30AM

In places not stupid and retarded like here, express trains run nonstop or with one or two major stops between the airport and city center.

The Metro will make 17 GODDAMN STOPS between Dulles and Metro Center in DC. They should have built a line that went Dulles-Rosslyn-Metro Center.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: dfdsffdsf ()
Date: June 27, 2013 07:59AM

Let me check the care meter:


0..|.........................10


Yep, meter reads "no fuck given."

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: June 27, 2013 09:59AM

Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
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> The Metro will ruin Reston. Prepare for "night
> visitors."


Too late.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Bob Bruhns ()
Date: June 27, 2013 10:20AM

Net Catcher Wrote:
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> Cue the rants from looney Tysons Engineer in 3...
> 2....1....


After that scathing criticism of the Phase I and Phase II projects he gave me, I was expecting at least some sort of feedback. I guess he finally came to his senses and realized I was right all along.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Dr shrink ()
Date: June 27, 2013 02:23PM

Bob Bruhns Wrote:
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> Net Catcher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cue the rants from looney Tysons Engineer in
> 3...
> > 2....1....
>
>
> After that scathing criticism of the Phase I and
> Phase II projects he gave me, I was expecting at
> least some sort of feedback. I guess he finally
> came to his senses and realized I was right all
> along.

Either that or he's been put in a straightjacket for his own good and can't get to a keyboard.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Ode to Tysons Engineer ()
Date: June 27, 2013 02:27PM

Dr shrink Wrote:
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> Bob Bruhns Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Net Catcher Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Cue the rants from looney Tysons Engineer in
> > 3...
> > > 2....1....
> >
> >
> > After that scathing criticism of the Phase I
> and
> > Phase II projects he gave me, I was expecting
> at
> > least some sort of feedback. I guess he finally
> > came to his senses and realized I was right all
> > along.
>
> Either that or he's been put in a straightjacket
> for his own good and can't get to a keyboard.

More likely his lawyer put him on medication. Translation? Tysons Engineer = Neutered.
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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: asfdafsdsd ()
Date: June 27, 2013 04:13PM

Hhahahahhahahaha!

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: (the real) Bob Bruhns ()
Date: June 27, 2013 06:18PM

I see that it's worse than I thought.

The 'Bob Bruhns' who has been posing here recently is not me. I didn't examine closely, but I saw several posts in my name that appeared to be cut and paste quotes of posts I made elsewhere. But, I wasn't the one who posted them here claiming to be Bob Bruhns. Somebody impersonating me did that. I just happened to see the "We'll see in January" thread show up in a Google search, and stumbled across this. Then I noticed a reference to more, and found this thread.

There is no telling how many more times the impersonator is going to take credit for my work. And there is no telling how much jive the impersonator is going to spew, using my name. Need I say: Cease and Desist from the false use of my identity on the internet, impersonator. But it probably will not stop.

So people should do what they should always do - check the references, and look for yourselves. Don't just accept something you read, even if you consider a source to be credible. I'm pretty much unknown and nobody, and I don't expect people to accept what I say just because I said it. People should look for themselves.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Oh please, really? ()
Date: June 27, 2013 08:30PM

Translation? Bob got clowned!
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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: asgvzsdgszdfgsdfg ()
Date: June 27, 2013 09:14PM

dfdsffdsf Wrote:
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> Let me check the care meter:
>
>
> 0..|.........................10
>
>
> Yep, meter reads "no fuck given."


LOL...you stole the care meter that I posted last night. I am actually flattered. :)

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: dfdsffdsf ()
Date: June 27, 2013 09:16PM

asgvzsdgszdfgsdfg Wrote:
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> dfdsffdsf Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Let me check the care meter:
> >
> >
> > 0..|.........................10
> >
> >
> > Yep, meter reads "no fuck given."
>
>
> LOL...you stole the care meter that I posted last
> night. I am actually flattered. :)

It's awesome, I laugh everytime I see it.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Im scared ()
Date: June 27, 2013 10:56PM

Is it true that the negroes from DC will use the Metro to transport themselves to nice, wholesome predominately white suburbs and commit crimes of burglary, auto theft and rape?

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Young Curmudgeon ()
Date: June 27, 2013 11:10PM

Im scared Wrote:
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> Is it true that the negroes from DC will use the
> Metro to transport themselves to nice, wholesome
> predominately white suburbs and commit crimes of
> burglary, auto theft and rape?

Hopefully, no. In reality, these sort of things happen because of easier access to relatively unwary areas. They don't have much to do with color.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: dasfasfasdasdfasdfasdf ()
Date: June 28, 2013 12:37AM

dfdsffdsf Wrote:
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> asgvzsdgszdfgsdfg Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > dfdsffdsf Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Let me check the care meter:
> > >
> > >
> > > 0..|.........................10
> > >
> > >
> > > Yep, meter reads "no fuck given."
> >
> >
> > LOL...you stole the care meter that I posted
> last
> > night. I am actually flattered. :)
>
> It's awesome, I laugh everytime I see it.




You are too kind. :)

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: thank you taxpayers ()
Date: June 28, 2013 05:09AM

This things will be built and it will be built fast. I've been working on it all week. Shit is already mis-managed as hell but I could give a fuck. I'm going to make so much cash in overtime between now and 2018 I'll have my kid's college tuition paid for.

You think the clowns running this project look retarded from the outside, you should see it from the inside. I have to sit in conference rooms with them ALL DAMN DAY.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Of course ()
Date: June 28, 2013 05:55AM

Im scared Wrote:
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> Is it true that the negroes from DC will use the
> Metro to transport themselves to nice, wholesome
> predominately white suburbs and commit crimes of
> burglary, auto theft and rape?

We once received a police briefing that Pentagon City, Huntington, and Springfield were favorite targets for criminals who commute by Metro. The problem increased significantly shortly after the green line was extended.

But don't mention this in public. That would be racially insensitive.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Bob Bruhns ()
Date: June 28, 2013 05:59AM

(the real) Bob Bruhns Wrote:
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> Need I say: Cease and Desist from the false use of
> my identity on the internet, impersonator. But it
> probably will not stop.
>

At least not until I register this name.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Tysons Reengineer ()
Date: June 28, 2013 06:57AM

fucking morons everywhere Wrote:
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> In places not stupid and retarded like here,
> express trains run nonstop or with one or two
> major stops between the airport and city center.
>
>
> The Metro will make 17 GODDAMN STOPS between
> Dulles and Metro Center in DC. They should have
> built a line that went Dulles-Rosslyn-Metro
> Center.


Thank you Gerry Connolly and his fellow BOS stooges who decided that 4 Metro stops in the 1½ miles of Tysons Corner was a must have. Yeah, no corruption or SAIC (Gerry's employer at the time) influence there. Wonder why one of the stop is right in front of the SAIC building in Tysons. I have a great idea, let's elect a corrupt tool like Gerry and put him in Congress, where he can screw even more US taxpayers while lining his frilly pockets.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: yea screw that! ()
Date: June 28, 2013 08:49AM

Tysons Reengineer Wrote:
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> fucking morons everywhere Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > In places not stupid and retarded like here,
> > express trains run nonstop or with one or two
> > major stops between the airport and city center.
>
> >
> >
> > The Metro will make 17 GODDAMN STOPS between
> > Dulles and Metro Center in DC. They should have
> > built a line that went Dulles-Rosslyn-Metro
> > Center.
>
>
> Thank you Gerry Connolly and his fellow BOS
> stooges who decided that 4 Metro stops in the 1½
> miles of Tysons Corner was a must have. Yeah, no
> corruption or SAIC (Gerry's employer at the time)
> influence there. Wonder why one of the stop is
> right in front of the SAIC building in Tysons. I
> have a great idea, let's elect a corrupt tool like
> Gerry and put him in Congress, where he can screw
> even more US taxpayers while lining his frilly
> pockets.


Screw that Democrat and his business friendliness that keeps a fortune 500 company located in Fairfax employing thousands.

FUCK YOU GERRY! Be more like us republicans and start taxing businesses. WOOOO republicans!

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww ()
Date: June 28, 2013 10:51AM

Tysons Reengineer Wrote:
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> fucking morons everywhere Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > In places not stupid and retarded like here,
> > express trains run nonstop or with one or two
> > major stops between the airport and city center.
>
> >
> >
> > The Metro will make 17 GODDAMN STOPS between
> > Dulles and Metro Center in DC. They should have
> > built a line that went Dulles-Rosslyn-Metro
> > Center.
>
>
> Thank you Gerry Connolly and his fellow BOS
> stooges who decided that 4 Metro stops in the 1½
> miles of Tysons Corner was a must have. Yeah, no
> corruption or SAIC (Gerry's employer at the time)
> influence there. Wonder why one of the stop is
> right in front of the SAIC building in Tysons. I
> have a great idea, let's elect a corrupt tool like
> Gerry and put him in Congress, where he can screw
> even more US taxpayers while lining his frilly
> pockets.

Leave Gerry alone, he gets stuff done and has a cool pinky ring.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Awwwww ()
Date: June 28, 2013 10:52PM

And by "gets stuff done", I mean Gerry Connolly shines Obama's shoes EVERY week and polishes Nancy Pelosi's toenails every other week. Both with his tongue.

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: uh huh sure thing ()
Date: June 29, 2013 08:18AM

Awwwww Wrote:
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> And by "gets stuff done", I mean Gerry Connolly
> shines Obama's shoes EVERY week and polishes Nancy
> Pelosi's toenails every other week. Both with his
> tongue.


K there champ. We get it, you are a republican. Way to go. Now tell me anything that your heros Ted Cruz or Michelle Bachmann have accomplished. Have they improved the economy? Have they found ways to make the government more efficient other than saying to abolish the IRS (which would basically send our economy to shit)?

Fuckin moron republitards

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Re: The Dulles Rail Phase II disaster
Posted by: Michelle Bachmann ()
Date: June 29, 2013 05:41PM

uh huh sure thing Wrote:
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> Awwwww Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And by "gets stuff done", I mean Gerry Connolly
> > shines Obama's shoes EVERY week and polishes
> Nancy
> > Pelosi's toenails every other week. Both with
> his
> > tongue.
>
>
> K there champ. We get it, you are a republican.
> Way to go. Now tell me anything that your heros
> Ted Cruz or Michelle Bachmann have accomplished.
> Have they improved the economy? Have they found
> ways to make the government more efficient other
> than saying to abolish the IRS (which would
> basically send our economy to shit)?
>
> Fuckin moron republitards
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